Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[The Chamber of Kittens]

We wont be caught up for a day or 2. Who's scum?

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Is the rest of this game as bad as the first few pages :s.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Yes. And the only solution is to vote Bubba.

The only thing from him thats really caught my eye so far is that he did some catchup post or something since I replaced in. I only skimmed it but that he needed to was odd. Why should I be voting for him?

[The Chamber of Kittens]

@Mollie:

I saw your post earlier today. The more of see you in two days is because Chamber and I want to discuss the thread together. We are trying to find time between my work schedule in order to do this. I'm already halfway through the thread, (I stopped reading earlier at page 20.) but had to go to work. I have to agree with Chamber that reading the earlier pages was just meh. It's like those posts were sorta time sensitive you know and touching up on any of those subjects is like past history. I do have some reads, but I wanna discuss with Chamber before posting them.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Why is everybody skimming this game? ._.

Based on my own experience up to this point: Because the players in this game suck at communicating without wasting a LOT of space.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Hey chamberslot! Have you read this?

Spoiler: Why Bubba is ObvScum

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

Discrediting meta arguments in a meta-heavy playerlist.

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

Forcing himself into the "town" herd by referring to "we".

This sentence is just bad

bad

bad.

Except for when those town read players are scum

Discrediting the idea of forming a townbloc.

Hey. Hey mollie. Bubba noticed it too so that makes him my scumbuddy right?

he also said he had no clue what it meant yeah?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.

"Please don't look at me".

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

Already mentioned this, but he's trying to leapfrog off an observation I made earlier to look like he's scumhunting, when he's not.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Idk, were you lynched? If so; then I guess it worked out great.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

Begin #MislynchDefense

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

Defensive behavior (feigned indignation) to cover up for what they deem to be an indefensible argument being put forth.

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

More of the above. Also more #MislynchDefense

It's because Majiffy no likey bubba's play.

Bring it the fuck on. This is a drastic change from you saying you were going to ignore me.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

etc.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

etc.

I refer to you my earlier comment about my play being MY play.

etc.

So can we please lynch this thing now?

Or maybe seen the funny little bit where Bubba threatened to call our slot scum, citing the behavior of Bork and Mollie as the only reason for not doing so, while having earlier cited only my behavior as reasons for townreading us?

Or the numerous times he has lied, been caught lying, and then caught lying again trying to cover up the lies?

You should vote Bubba.

I have read it. Him and varsoon both look pretty bad where I'm at? I still want to catch up though.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Stop doing ISOs. Why did you leave?

Yes, how dare they provide game content!

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I like this pieguyn fellow.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Also, I like your ambition with the ISOs but you're trying too hard with not enough real results. Everything is resulting in hedge because you're trying to go too fast.

more like I have way too many null reads and I'm having trouble sorting through them all
help me with these people
Kagami
Amaranth [H]
YuniChikako
The Chamber of Kittens Remembrance [H]
Messiah Complex (Desperado + FormerFish) [H]
dramonic
zMuffinMan

Its a large on day1. Most of your reads SHOULD be nullish?

[The Chamber of Kittens]

As far as I'm concerned, this is the equivalent of a PGO claim, and we're treating it as such. If he lives that long, lynch the day before expected LYLO.

~BC

I'm still not caught up and etc, but, why is that the default behavior for a PGO claim exactly? If you expect to have to lynch them anyway, why not lynch them earlier so that you are working with more knowledge on future lynches?

The 1-shot bomb thing meant what I thought it would mean. A nice touch if its a faked claim.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

yeah p much. I didn't put two and two together =.=

Ok, this post is pretty bad.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I need a break from this game

mod: V/LA till wednesday

I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =

This is a pretty believable follow up though. It fits with the shame of having missed something like that. I'm not sure the shame would be felt -only- by town though. At any rate his break makes sense now and I'm surprised some people gave him heat over it.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I need a break from this game

mod: V/LA till wednesday

I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =

This is a pretty believable follow up though. It fits with the shame of having missed something like that. I'm not sure the shame would be felt -only- by town though. At any rate his break makes sense now and I'm surprised some people gave him heat over it.

I don't buy it, I'm not sure why you are. Just as the heat was getting screwed up, he took off. It's not town-motivated at all.

I didn't say it was a town tell. Its a human tell? Some people are conflict adverse and feel shame about fucking up and have trouble facing it. I like what I've read of his posts since he's come back. And I want to read them in more detail before I make a current judgment overall on his alignment. But for this one thing, I don't think you can begin to call him scum over it.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I'm mostly caught up, skimmed some of the more recent stuff. Mala is still behind but we've still talked.

Vote Bubba

We think its highly unlikely that there is both a 1-shot bomb and a 1-shot redirector. Both are powerful volatile roles. Including both makes the setup far too swingy.
Evaluating their play and not the claims, I've found both to be pretty independently scummy. But why would someone actually claim a bomb like that? They wouldn't. So we think thats the lie between the 2.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I noticed that post as well (about there being no chance of a 1-shot bomb and 1-shot redirect) and I think it relies on too much flimsy logic.

You guys were also 2 of my strongest scum reads as I was reading through. Something I said earlier if you care to look back. If it was -only- the claims I doubt I'd have been so sure. Someone willingly claiming bomb at l-6 and sticking with it is a pretty good tiebreaker though. Me saying that I think its likely that exactly 1 of you is scum isn't setting up future lynches, its limiting them.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

That awkward moment when I think all 3 of those slots are town.

Maybe.

VOTE: Messiah Complex

I think that pie posting has been better lately and no longer want to lynch him. Bubba behavior around claim is very loud and genuinely angry. I'm not sure on GCBC being town, but I'm okay with their day 1 content. Meanwhile, I believe that Messiah Complex's catch up felt like it was something they were being forced to do (even two heads catching up half way felt like they were splitting the load of producing content instead of splitting up the load on developing reads), and based on one of Lush's heads talking about them (not sure which one, but it wasn't the one who is pushing bubba) I think that the discomfort I feel from that slot is not what they would be feeling as town.

I think I am in love.

its me mollie. yes messiah is scum. I have been screaming from the rafters that they are scum. I have a hydra with the desperado half and we are actually friends IRL. I know him I know how his brain works he is scum. I think have former fish's about pinned down too and I am scum reading both heads.

I have tried talking to my other heads and borky is getting drowned out by us overall I think and majiffy isn't listening to me wrt any reads even tho I have a better track record for d1 than he does. bubba's claim is terrible but he has made a couple of posts that weren't too bad and I would rather lynch scumessiah now cos I don't trust every1 to do it when I am not not around! they will put this rico suave eau de scum cologne on and the next thing you they will be universally townread.

what did you think about varsoon's "I am against claims!" spiel when he claimed 1 shot redirector for no reason! I found it funny and kind of funny but varsoon often looks scummy so unsure on him.

VOTE: messiah

trust me they want to be lynched lets ease their pain...

gcbc I will help you with varsoon if we are alive tomorrow will you guyz plz trust me on this?

mac you know you wanna

jaqen pretty plz with sugar on top

muffin what say you

kaze you are not going to get pie lynched today I can feel it plz lynch obvscum who is actively lurking the game out.

bubba you will get town points for helping me!!!1!

I feel left out.

Also I'm unsure on scum-Des. There is some behavioral differences between his scum game and his play here.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Also I have a mini-grudge on Messiah Complex for WTP so I can't

wait

until he posts.

I have issues with people who hold grudges from games to games.

This is like not a good way to play at all.

I'm also shocked you haven't jumped on the MC wagon yet though.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I played with town MC once.

It involved shouting at his scumreads and no walls at all iirc. We the Purple, right Cabd?

I played in that game too, I know you played with him.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Dearest waynegg. It doesn't take rocket science to narrow down a list of asshats from my past that would play like you. It furthermore narrows it down when you indicate meta that only players from the gym would know, given that hawk is in this hydra, AP isn't a douchebag, and the rest of them don't play here anymore.

I don't have any special mod powers here,

and the thought that you think a site mod would give a player an unfair advantage is just.... wow.

A boy becomes a girl. A man never said or implied that. A man does note a boy's up thread revelation of knowledge of mafiascum's back doors and integrating coding in order to ignore players. If a boy can do that, he can pretty much do as he will, powers or no.

Uh, no, not really. All the coding is done on a separate databse. Dont beleieve me, ask a skittle.

Also, varsoon, the most interesting thing occured to me today. If one searches your ISO in a game for the word "misrep" it seems to only occur heavily in your scumgames. Just something to note.

These posts hurt my brain.

There are 5 people on the site with direct database access. Me Hohum Kison Mith Flay. Of those 5 basically only Kison and I somewhat consistently use it. And I believe I'm the only one that still consistently plays games from within that group. Figuring out an alt doesn't take that level of access though, anyone with a special coloured name or I could do it in a few seconds. In this game that is still only me (baring one of the hidden accounts containing secret skittles~). The one time that did happen unintentionally I replaced out.

There is a built-in front-end feature to ignore people. Anyone can use it on anyone. Its disabled in the mafia areas intentionally.

Using something like stylish to block peoples posts is a completely client-side thing and requires no database access, its simply modifying the output of the forum further before you read it, removing information from display.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Pie, would you like the short version or the TL;DR version of the UFO read?

Go ahead and give me the short version.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

The slot seems reasonably town to me, given what little there is to actually work off of. You post doesn't really change that, especially because him replacing out suggests real time issues.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Spoiler: For Pieguy

To start with ffery and I had an initial townread on UFO for the way he responded to my instant-on pressure about his homesite; it reminded us of how nacho did that to me, and of my reactions, in my first large. (Xenoblade chronicles, I can link the exchange if you'd like)

History of some other sites ensures here.

I first played pokemon on pokegym; a web forum designed around discussion of the pokemon TCG. It played some large role madness games, won some, lost some, but had fun. Then, there was an implosion in the community where a moderator of a game actively maniuplated activity modkills to favor his brother's team. The resulting bickering and fallout caused that site's admins to remove the werewolf community entirely. Some players stopped playing. Some found other homes, such as sixprizes, Pokémon online, or mafiascum. Examples from mafiascum include PMysterious, Paid Pyro, Prohawk, Angry Pidgeon, myself, Waynegg, and 3dicerolling. A good majority of us also moved offsite to sixprizes, where I'm a forum mod; and play there in addition.

The average age on these mafia subforums, unlike mafiascum, is usually below 16. Therefore a lot of the tells and quirks here don't apply. One thing that players newer to the game do a lot is get an early townread from one or two vocal players, and then spend the rest of the day lurking it out. I can point to the specific games if you want, Pie.

Basically, my townread of UFO sunk when he had a decent start, got a townread or two from some vocal people, and then.... nothing. The "I've got class" excuse is another common thing from that group.

Prohawk, upon his initial replace in and read, had pretty much the exact same thought. That's why we indicated a scum read upon him in our consolidated reads post. Him actually going ahead and replacing out places that read in flux, and we are hoping the replacement gives us more to work with.

Eh. Well...I believe you believe this is a good read? But yeah. Replacements.

I don't like this post.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Spoiler: For Pieguy

To start with ffery and I had an initial townread on UFO for the way he responded to my instant-on pressure about his homesite; it reminded us of how nacho did that to me, and of my reactions, in my first large. (Xenoblade chronicles, I can link the exchange if you'd like)

History of some other sites ensures here.

I first played pokemon on pokegym; a web forum designed around discussion of the pokemon TCG. It played some large role madness games, won some, lost some, but had fun. Then, there was an implosion in the community where a moderator of a game actively maniuplated activity modkills to favor his brother's team. The resulting bickering and fallout caused that site's admins to remove the werewolf community entirely. Some players stopped playing. Some found other homes, such as sixprizes, Pokémon online, or mafiascum. Examples from mafiascum include PMysterious, Paid Pyro, Prohawk, Angry Pidgeon, myself, Waynegg, and 3dicerolling. A good majority of us also moved offsite to sixprizes, where I'm a forum mod; and play there in addition.

The average age on these mafia subforums, unlike mafiascum, is usually below 16. Therefore a lot of the tells and quirks here don't apply. One thing that players newer to the game do a lot is get an early townread from one or two vocal players, and then spend the rest of the day lurking it out. I can point to the specific games if you want, Pie.

Basically, my townread of UFO sunk when he had a decent start, got a townread or two from some vocal people, and then.... nothing. The "I've got class" excuse is another common thing from that group.

Prohawk, upon his initial replace in and read, had pretty much the exact same thought. That's why we indicated a scum read upon him in our consolidated reads post. Him actually going ahead and replacing out places that read in flux, and we are hoping the replacement gives us more to work with.

Eh. Well...I believe you believe this is a good read? But yeah. Replacements.

I don't like this post.

Agreed, I don't like the whole idea of rebooting reads based on replacements. If the slot has shown itself to be scummy then it is scummy until proven otherwise. A new player can come in and town it the fuck up, but they also do so with the knowledge that their slot was being scum read.

I don't like this post.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I'd be willing to vote kaze but I'm pretty sure mala had some reservations there.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

It would be pretty brazen for scum to just be open like that. I'd expect their instinct to be to cover it up.

I really wish this bubba wagon was more interesting because I do still think hes scum. His recent play has reinforced that if anything. But I feel like my votes not doing anything either.

Vote Kaze

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Well now that I understand your stance, feel free to keep your vote on me.

Eeeeh. This I don't like though.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

But I feel like my votes not doing anything either.

I'm pretty sure I was the biggest wagon, and this is a plurality lynch game.

Votes need to be doing a lot more than lynching people.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

But I feel like my votes not doing anything either.

I'm pretty sure I was the biggest wagon, and this is a plurality lynch game.

Votes need to be doing a lot more than lynching people.

For the first couple game days anyway.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

But I feel like my votes not doing anything either.

I'm pretty sure I was the biggest wagon, and this is a plurality lynch game.

Votes need to be doing a lot more than lynching people.

For the first couple game days anyway.

so what exactly are you hoping to accomplish?

cos the vote looks bad

like really really bad

I don't really care how you think my votes look?

[The Chamber of Kittens]

mebbe you could answer my question?

sorry that was me

If I was going to answer it I would have.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

That's a PR hint, everyone off the wagon.

VOTE: Varsoon choo choo

That's actually just me being arrogant, but okay. PR hint!

Yeah he's town.

NOOOPE.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Cute.

That was me contradicting that one point though. You not wanting to be stuck fakeclaiming a PR later doesn't make you town. NOOOPE.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Considering the PR implied was lynchproof, which is something that I could safely fakeclaim as long as I, y'know, don't get lynched? Yeah, whatever.

What? No. The implication is you have some claim that would stop you from getting lynched BECAUSE WE WOULDN"T WANT TO.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I've let this game get away from me. Its just so painful.

Varsoon is the leading wagon so I'm going to start with trying to figure him out. I know in my initial read he stood out but I liked some of the more mid game stuff by him, when I was still actually thinking about the stuff I was reading.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

He definitely did some questionable stuff early on. His recent posts have been a pile of null though.

Vote varsoon

[The Chamber of Kittens]

You buy bubba's crumb?

Yes
It's so completely fucking stupid, I don't think he'd have been able to not claim scum if he actually was.

The crumb is fake.

Wow Chamber of Kittens reread Varsoon in 40 minutes!

While discussing it with my other head .

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Yeah our varsoon vote is subpar. I don't have the energy to find more good ones. I don't have the energy to force through the good ones I've already found. Reading varsoons iso didn't convince me he was definitely scum, it convinced me we could do a lot worse. This day is long and complete shit and just needs to end.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

They aren't tied, that VC is wrong, waynegg should be on varsoon, it should be l-2 and l-4 not both at l-3.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Jaqen Hghar = waynegg

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Shouldn't have said anything

Lying about the VC with ~11h left seems questionable.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Aka I haven't read shit since my last post and I have no intention to.

good to know.

:watchesyou:

[The Chamber of Kittens]

UNVOTE: varsoon

VOTE: ActionDan

Seriously,

you both.

We have less than 5 hours to a deadline.

put your vote on someone who has votes so we can see where you stand.

If we didn't have plurality rules I would chase you guys with a pitchfork for possibly trying to throw a NL for this phrase.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Also,

Saki

seriously

you are lurking.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

isn't gaiden getting lynched atm anyway? she hit the same number before varsoon, unless I don't understand something.

A man japes

UNVOTE:

VOTE: GCBC for a good scum flip. A man recalls someone saying GCBC should be saved because a boy is an asset if town. A man says you hand him the game if he's scum due to your stupid reverence. Kill the scum.

Holy fuck for an IC you are being useless.

Vote either Gaiden or V

there's less than an hour to the deadline.

stop with this.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Tell a man how useless he is when GCBC wins another scum game and you could have lynched him D1. Tell me then. Until then, shut it.

YOU CAN NOT LYNCH HIM WHEN THERES 21 MINS TO THE DEADLINE.

YOUR VOTE IS USELESS ON HIM

WHEN IT CAN BE USED ELSEWHERE.

we can't lynch him Day 1. You are out of your mind.

Understand now?

[The Chamber of Kittens]

it's Mala, C, but you cant tell the difference im sad

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Yes

very good move

lets vig the confirmed innocent child

[The Chamber of Kittens]

We dont know if Saki, Lush, Mac is even around?...

We have Muffin, DBG, me, V

not enough.

Now move your vote.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

you arent a man if you dont vote either V or Gaiden

[The Chamber of Kittens]

yeah how do you know they are 'town'.

I don't even Wayne.

this is just really stupid. You can't do anythig with a single vote ~7 mins to deadline

[The Chamber of Kittens]

btw, for those without flavor knowledge:

Yuyuko as Oracle makes amazing sense, though it's not immediately obvious. Kat's claim is very likely true unless she was given a very good fake-claim.

The question doesn't really make much sense. Especially if you only have 1. Why not ask something like 'How many non town roles are alive?' From that you could infer the answer to the previous question, and gain more info. I thought of that in a few seconds and she had over a week to come up with a question.

[The Chamber of Kittens]

Yeah it is. Its the better form of her question though, and it took me 0 thought to get to it, which suggests she didn't think very much about how to best phrase the question she wanted to ask? So I don't believe she asked that question I guess.