Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #163 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:27 pm

In post 90, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 87, UFO wrote:Literally a new player
like
literally
Where did you come from? What site?

He comes from the same place I did. Finding me there should be quite easy.

In post 108, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 100, pieguyn wrote:where's bork
is that you bork
get in here and duel me
There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

In post 107, UFO wrote:http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/member. ... gel-Flonne

take it

http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthr ... -22-00-PST
this one is not finished but i died

http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthr ... Game-Over)
this one is finished but i didn't do much[
/quote]
Most appreciated <3

And you've gone in shown him my meta too :<

Regarding our origin site, we have NOC games as well but most of them are on going/dead. Hence me telling UFO to move over here. I can in fact vouch that he's new on this site so he won't be able to fit on your non-game related fluffing <3

Nice to see everyone is acquainted, Lush Life should start tagging who on their hydra is speaking to make things easier for us!

VOTE: Kagami

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #165 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:57 pm

In post 164, morph the cat wrote:
In post 163, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:Lush Life should start tagging who on their hydra is speaking to make things easier for us!
Condescending text with punctuation and proper structure is the realm of Majiffy.
condescending text like this tho= Mollie
Everything else = Bork

From the game I played with Bork, I don't think he had a post that didn't include the words "Idiots" or "Fuck" so it might be easier to spot him!

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #187 (isolation #2) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:38 am

Hah.

VOTE: Kise

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #188 (isolation #3) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:39 am

There's always point in arguing.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #387 (isolation #4) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:31 pm

In post 250, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 163, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:
Nice to see everyone is acquainted, Lush Life should start tagging who on their hydra is speaking to make things easier for us!

VOTE: Kagami
Nice seeing you again. Was this vote for a particular reason?

I wanted her to do her thing with the meta. I'm somewhat disappointed with the lack of it considering it's a big game and I'm somewhat lost once again.

God all these pages and nothing I've seen was remotely interesting bar that #324~328 which was pretty amusing to see.

M-maybe she's town from that?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #401 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:10 am

Samurai kill here

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #418 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:06 am

In post 407, Kise wrote:
In post 387, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:God all these pages and nothing I've seen was remotely interesting bar that #324~328 which was pretty amusing to see.

M-maybe she's town from that?
My suggestion is to help make it interesting. You said you were in favor of arguments. Let's argue. For starters, AD Kat is much more viable than AP Kat.

I would rather go Manly Tank Katarina

In post 413, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 387, Katarina LeBlanc wrote: I wanted her to do her thing with the meta. I'm somewhat disappointed with the lack of it considering it's a big game and I'm somewhat lost once again.

God all these pages and nothing I've seen was remotely interesting bar that #324~328 which was pretty amusing to see.

M-maybe she's town from that?
What thing with the meta? The metaputer stuff? We're not super deep into Day 1 yet. You expect her to fire on all cylinders from the get-go?

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

I've probably read the pages as the come by, and I get a bulk of pages pass through as I wake up. By nothing interesting, I meant by an actual formation of a wagon or even something that resembles an organized thought. Just from the vote count, so far everyone is a bit scattered in their reads and we're just trying to provoke others into inciting responses.

That's why I was expecting Kagami to do that metaputer thing, it seems like something that comes naturally to her games (as you so brought it up so gallantly in [redacted]). It would be something to start off on.

I may have played a game with a few of the people here but that doesn't really make me an expert on how they play, considering I was pretty lost in those games as well. Even got a scumread for being so ignorant! Right MC? :3

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #689 (isolation #7) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:13 pm

In post 476, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
In post 327, morph the cat wrote:So, you wanna bitch at us and take potshots at us? Fine. Aim at me. I'm right here, be as much of an asshat as you want towards me.
A girl's hormones rule her thoughts. That which is petty is best left ignored, yet every game a girl loses herself to the most innocuous of japes. Those buttons will continue to be pushed for as long as a girl allows them to be pushed.

I read this and I wanted to lynch this slot for reasons.

In post 638, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 631, zMuffinMan wrote:i refuse to read those fucking giant quote walls. go fuck yourself if you're planning to do any more of them
I warned you pre game it was my thing.

Also yeah, fuck your giant quote walls and shit. It's so easy to condense a point without being a fool about it. Or use spoiler tags so I don't immediately lose will to read it. Most of the reactions you have don't even contribute to the actual read, you're just adding more to make it seem like you have a well built case on someone when you're just kind of trying your best to disregard their posts by giving horrible replies that don't contribute or just plain piss them off. It's working too!

Lush (or whoever is in that hydra) is town like so bad I can't even what people are even moaning about it.

In post 519, Kazekirimaru wrote:
Who wants to take bets that this waxing poetic gimmick is some sort of game mechanic? I'm seriously wondering.

I am a bit unsure on whether it's a game mechanic or not, the best guess I have is it has something to do with his character. We're all anime girls and I assume that there's a poetic touhou character somewhere in there and he's just flavoring up his posts in a breadcrumb-esque manner. Though I'm not sure how the characters are supposed to be aligned, it did set me off considering it just seemed so unnatural.

I still want Kise gone, but bubbajack is much worse. I'd be happy with either of them gone. At least calm dis thread down a bit. Friendships have already been tarnished

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #719 (isolation #8) » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:23 am

In post 712, Kise wrote:
NEW!
Katarina:

"Kise don't wanna argue. I'm not arguing either, nor am I contributing. But hey I still think Kise should be the lynch today lol kawaii desu uguu"

Immediately a horrible scumlist.

Sorry I'm not diving headfirst into that knee deep crap pile. I like how you scumread both conflicting parties in order to just look like you're the one who is gonna settle it all.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #720 (isolation #9) » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:23 am

The ad hominem in this thread is immense.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #729 (isolation #10) » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:34 am

In post 722, Kise wrote:Also you're still not contributing. I don't care how cool you think you are, you've done nothing for this game to help move it along.

First of all, I'm super cool. Super Kawaiidesugoii cool.

I enjoy how you've done nothing at all as well, I've already said my piece on the exchanges early on. I don't understand what you're trying to push to me. There are a lot more active lurkers for you to pick on but I assume you're just threatened by my scumread on you. It's a big game, I'm waiting for things to pan out before jumping on the aggressive. I don't see the need to get needlessly aggressive unless someone scumslips super hard. So far it's been clouded by the entire "fuck you" "no you" "no ur mum" exchange between Cabd and co. I don't understand what they have achieved with that but hey it's there.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #776 (isolation #11) » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:00 pm

In post 730, Kise wrote:I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?

There's a difference between arguing and being aggressive. I don't feel an aggressive tone between us right now but I can assure you there is an argument.

My vote is parked on you because I don't feel the need to unvote or move to bubba just yet. I don't like forced wagons so I'm to pick off people who can get by without achieving that much suspicion. You. You're overvaluing your contributions and you should call yourself a hypocrite for calling me out on that!

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #815 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:40 pm

In post 781, Kise wrote:It was pretty much like this last year too. Nobody ever lets me in their circle jerks. It's kay, their hands are too small anyway!

In post 776, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:
In post 730, Kise wrote:I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?
There's a difference between arguing and being aggressive. I don't feel an aggressive tone between us right now but I can assure you there is an argument.

My vote is parked on you because I don't feel the need to unvote or move to bubba just yet. I don't like forced wagons so I'm to pick off people who can get by without achieving that much suspicion. You. You're overvaluing your contributions and you should call yourself a hypocrite for calling me out on that!
If you can trust me on one thing, it's that I
do
have suspicion cast towards me. Looking at the votecount: You, your pal UFO, Lush, GCBC, pie, maybe Tsu and maybe Yuni. So in case you were vote parking to be a hipster...

+ no I'm not a hypocrit. I'm reviewing various players and their conversations. You are singling me out and being mean to me.

So, you were so self conscious that the moment I scumread on you, you try to flip it on me by saying I have not contributed rather than actually building a case. My vote on you initially was mostly gut, you were playing middle man who was trying to backseat scumhunt but the moment I call you out it's immediately an OMGUS on me.

What's up.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #851 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:50 am

Jaqen, you often switch from "a man" and "a boy"

is there any reasoning behind that?

Also what's with the dorky post format.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #853 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:51 am

In post 851, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:Jaqen, you often switch from "a man" and "a boy"

is there any reasoning behind that?

Also what's with the dorky post format.[/strike]

I googled his name and saw it was some GoT related thing and he's probably just sticking to the character name. Nevermind me :v

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #854 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:53 am

Also, okay Lush. I will nibble.

unvote
vote Bubba

I'd have preferred Kise to be gone but this wagon I can somewhat agree with as well. I don't like either of them but Kise had to be all rude and stuff so >:O

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:57 pm

To be honest I don't want to participate in this game either. But I don't like subbing out as well

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1045 (isolation #17) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:18 am

Not a fan of this Varsoon case. What originally had you pickup the read was him confirming himself as town (which there have been numerous people that did quite the same thing but y'know, everyone does that) while ignoring the IC as the confirmed town. I believe that it was his 2nd post, 2 minutes prior to his first. As an introductory post in a game that has accumulated like, 30 pages of shitpost and unwarranted hydra quarreling, I don't think him not immediately talking about the IC is as big a deal as you account it for.

Where is this part where he claimed to be the

only

confirmed town?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1050 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:28 am

The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1053 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:32 am

God this Lush Life hydra is annoying.

If you keep up this shitty play I might start suspecting you for overly riding your emotional early play to get towncred.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1059 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:48 am

In post 1054, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 1050, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.
You really need to re-read my post.

In simple terms, Varsoon said only one person is confirmed town (The mod-confirmed IC). When in reality if you are town, from your point of view, there should be two confirmed town. Varsoon isn't town,
so he forgot that point when he made that post
. This is aside from the hypocritical posts where he confirmed himself town and
then
said only the mod-confirmed IC was confirmed town.

Mollie, even confirmed town can throw games. Just because they are town and everyone knows it doesn't give them a crystal ball.

The only confirmed town in day 1 for the game is the IC. That's the only thing we can 100% vouch for that everyone can agree on. I can say that I'm also confirmed-town because my role PM says so. Heck, like 3 other people did the same within the thread and are actively doing so. Does that change your stance on the person, no. Unless you're a metafreak (which I honestly hate) and follow the claim because of past experience with the same claim, or a generally foolish town that's a bit too trustworthy with the fluff.

What he did was point out facts in the actual game. What we

all

know. How the fuck is that a scumread?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1061 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:54 am

I'm confirmed town to me and all my plush toys because they can see my Role PM.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1063 (isolation #22) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:11 am

In post 1062, Lush Life wrote:

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1071 (isolation #23) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:06 am

Do I prod him in our homesite as well?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1080 (isolation #24) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:41 am

The wagons are so hard to get started because this game immediately went downhill once your hydra force ejected half of the Morph hydra and then wall vs. wall'd bubba. I've read back a decent chunk of the game and I guess you can say I have "reads" or people I don't really like at all because they're acting like scum.

Possible scum are Kise, Tsukasa, Kagami, and well Bubba who my vote is on. I also have a scumread on ~secret~ but that'll wait until things resolve a bit.

I'm not a fan of the votes on Pie or Varsoon. They should like, not be there.

Lastly, Lush, I understand you want Bubba gone but the more aggressive you get with this the more I doubt you. Especially with Bork on your hydra.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1100 (isolation #25) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:18 am

In post 1088, Lush Life wrote:stuff

Because it's pretty damn hard to distinguish you people just by post method. I'm sorry if I'm slower than everyone but it's fucking hard to keep tab on who is bitching at whom at the moment.

I apologize Bork for being rude to you but the only indication I have of your play was aggressive scum and my inability to decipher you from Majiffy got me annoyed because I cringe whenever I see a post from your hydra. All it ever is, is "let's lynch bubba" or you shouting at other people. I'm not a wordsmith expert that can immediately tell who is whom just by how well they caps :'(

Lush Life wrote:Tell me more about how the only legitimate act in scumhunting in this game has made it go downhill.

Show me one case that even rivals my case on Bubba.

To whomever made this, you quote entire walls in reply to bubba with more with what you intentionally want to pick off as useless just to make the wall needlessly longer. These make reading back a bitch to do because all you ever do is tunnel vision him and all his posts, while labeling them as garbage. I can't help but feel sympathy for him because even I want to tell you to shut up about it already. You're just inciting negative responses from him while building your actual case (which is what we I actually want to read)

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1102 (isolation #26) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:22 am

Also I have a mini-grudge on Messiah Complex for WTP so I can't

wait

until he posts.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1109 (isolation #27) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:41 am

In post 1104, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 1100, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:To whomever made this, you quote entire walls in reply to bubba with more with what you intentionally want to pick off as useless just to make the wall needlessly longer. These make reading back a bitch to do because all you ever do is tunnel vision him and all his posts, while labeling them as garbage. I can't help but feel sympathy for him because even I want to tell you to shut up about it already. You're just inciting negative responses from him while building your actual case (which is what we I actually want to read)
Oh, the problem of different metas.

This isn't a game of peaches and rainbows, miss. Not everyone is nice. And if Lush truly thinks bubba is scum, why should he relent? Why should anyone feel sympathy for someone under the microscope when that's the point of this game?

I don't like people who rely on tunnel vision and jamming useless stuff just to shut someone up and accept their fate. Especially to

this

extent. What's worse is when people start thinking the wagon is immediately town motivated because of the caliber of rage and confidence of the read.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1111 (isolation #28) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:43 am

Varsoon please stop I want both of you to not be dead today.

P-edit: Okay, a claim. Well then.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1113 (isolation #29) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:44 am

Have you considered both of you being town because both of you suck at making reads? y/y

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:13 am

In post 1114, Varsoon wrote:All the more reason to vote for me for the underlined and GCBC for the bolded.

P-EDIT: Yeah, I've considered it, but his play strikes me as wholly scum.

React to this bubba/lush exchange first. I don't want either of you gone because I one, I think GCBC's read on you is dumb as I've already stated before. But I liked some of his Morph posts and I think he's town as well. I don't see a win to this situation right now.

In post 1117, Lush Life wrote: How come you haven't offered reasons for thinking Bubba is scum, considering you're voting him?
How come you haven't refuted my points, if you think my case is nothing more than "tunnel vision" and "useless stuff"?
How come you haven't addressed my point against you, about the above? In favor of just sweeping it under the rug like no one will notice?

Thanks! You're next, scumbutt Mcdoublebutt!

If I were to pick between who to lynch between you and bubba, I would lynch him. Why? because his replies suck and from his 3rd post in the game he looked scummy.

I didn't refute your points because I do agree with

some

of them. Are you tunneling the shit out of him? Yes. Does this contribute to him getting lynched or make it easier for people to decypher the case on him? No. You locked antlers with him, both of you exchanged walls with each other. Good job. But the basis now of how you read the town is how everybody else reacts towards you two. Disagree = Scum, Agree = Town. How immature are you to disregard women and acquire currency by being so confident with this that you're willing to base off every read now on how well they bend over for you.

I've addressed it now. Are you happy? I like the wagon, I don't like

you

.

P-edit: A bunch of stuff, will read over after this.

P-edit2: Let me post goddammit.

VARSOON SHUT UP OMG

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:21 am

In post 1131, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 1130, Lush Life wrote:Kaze I'm starting to take Mollie's theory of multiball seriously. How do you feel about the possibility of two scum teams?
I'm really not willing to speculate about this until Day 2.

Why not?

In post 1133, Varsoon wrote:I also think we shouldn't assume multiball or exhaust discussion on it until the next day when we can better confirm it. Right now, it's just masturbatory to discuss it.

Don't touch me with your hands.

I want to discuss this now. It's my first 20p closed setup game on this website and needless to say I like setup speculation, I'm really good at it in my homesite. Put Varsoon's claim and the IC to account, I

do

think that it is possible.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:47 am

In post 1137, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 1136, Katarina LeBlanc wrote: Why not?
No point. It's a distraction.

Check the recent votecount
Right now there's only one active wagon building up traction. The votes have been cast, and at the moment only the arrival of a few more players or Lush replying to me would spark up things up.

Why would you

not

take this opportunity to discuss the possibility?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1285 (isolation #33) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:30 pm

Hey I just woke up. Gonna do stuff because I know exactly what to say regarding the claim of bubba and possibly Kagami.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1287 (isolation #34) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:54 pm

I find it incredibly difficult to believe his claim. A one shot bomb, really? That just seems so odd as is. I'm not sure if that's some sort of bad scumslip or just plain dumb enough to be legitimate. Claiming bomb means you essentially use up your PR already. Meaning your usefulness as a power role is gone, given the nature of your current wagon it's pretty hard to trust you.

What I see in your claim is

"I purposely acted like a good target so that I can bait out their night action because I'm a bomb HAHA"

BUT

Kagami, you seem to have a similar stance as me. Why? Ignore Kaze he's a butt, but tell me more about what you think of the one-shot bomb. Also your crumbing as a swingy role is interesting. Tell me moaar.
Jaqen, tell me more about your role. Did it just say IC or does losing the life (that was striked out) have any significance whatsoever.

I'd need both of them to answer first.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1288 (isolation #35) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:59 pm

In post 1209, Lush Life wrote:
hi katarina!

I did not eject the fery half from the game? so why the misrep? feel free to point out any insults I laid at their slot?

I have liked some of your posts and I think you have made some good points but I think some of it has been drowned out by your crabbing.

we are getting our hydra in order. sound good? I hope it does. I am trying to figure out if we lean town on you. should we?

What's crabbing.

Also I'd like to think that

Spoiler:

Exactly why I've not been a fan of your aggression ever since. Cute how you call it misrepresentation.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1291 (isolation #36) » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:05 pm

We have a

one-shot

redirect claim and a

one-shot

bomb claim. I'd very much like to know if my theory is accurate.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:05 pm

In post 1201, bubbajack8 wrote:LUSH FUCK YOU. YOU'VE SAID 100 TIMES IM SOFTING A PR, AND KATARINA CAUGHT ON.

Um, what?

^ 4th post: Not importance of strikethrough of Majiffy, and bork's name. I think it ended up being

In post 1220, Jaqen Hghar wrote:Then a man is eager to read everyone's surprised reactions when a boy eventually flips scum.

Maybe a man can put it in a context that's easier to follow. A man will even break character this one time so it is plain and blunt. Completely devoid of humor.

you and four of your closest friends plan to rob a bank

in your plan you cover all the surveillance cameras outside the bank

you don't bother discussing the ones inside the bank because, duh, they're everywhere inside covering every angle possible

when you go in, the rest of your team notices nobody else is wearing masks, so they take theirs off to "blend in" while you, having a lick of common sense, keep your mask on your freaking head

who are you going to be ashamed of? the patrons you freaking KNEW weren't going to be hiding their identities? nah, hell fuck nah brah! you're going to be ashamed of your team of bank robbers. who missed the freaking obvious. because they're freaking idiots. and you're going to know who they are so you CAN be ashamed of them because ~ da-duh-daahhh! ~ you're freaking one of them!

Jesus. this isn't brain science. this isn't even meta (though when cabd messes up like this, it has a tendency to implicate his whole team. that part is meta). this is a blatant fuck up. in this thread. about this game. and all the town are ignoring it because he and his fellow bank robber ad homed the shit out of the catch.

the most frustrating part is that a lot of the town who are dismissing this case because of the adhom it drew are telling other players off for working to discredit others instead of their cases. but somehow it's perfectly fine to discredit me while ignoring the case itself COMPLETELY. that's hypocracy.

Now. No more character breaks.

Did you just try to apply the plot of inside man to this game.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:07 pm

In post 1294, UFO wrote:hellohellohellohello

Hi Flonne, after lying to me that other game why should I not murder you relentlessly?

Also pardon the failquote on that previous post, on stupid tablet.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1360 (isolation #39) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:43 pm

Can we lynch Kise slot after?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1363 (isolation #40) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:07 pm

Spoiler:

You do this thing where you disregard everything a person says and borderline insult/provoke them for not having the same POV or information that you think you have and quite frankly it's annoying. Your general reaction to those that disagree with you is "k. whatevs ur scum"

Not really a fan of attempting to interact with you again. But I have to.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1366 (isolation #41) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 1365, Kazekirimaru wrote:Is that alignment indicative though, Kat?

You know, given the circumstances of the exchange between them and Cabd's reaction I understand where it comes from. The mad might be unwarranted but it was there and frlt pretty damn genuine to me. Hey, if it were some giant ruse, props to them but I can't really just ignore that.

I've been townreading both for some time now so I guess for me it is.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1367 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:26 pm

In post 1358, The Chamber of Kittens wrote:I'm mostly caught up, skimmed some of the more recent stuff. Mala is still behind but we've still talked.

Vote Bubba

We think its highly unlikely that there is both a 1-shot bomb and a 1-shot redirector. Both are powerful volatile roles. Including both makes the setup far too swingy.
Evaluating their play and not the claims, I've found both to be pretty independently scummy. But why would someone actually claim a bomb like that? They wouldn't. So we think thats the lie between the 2.

Did you forget the IC?

Also why would they not claim, jw.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1368 (isolation #43) » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:35 pm

Bubba* mot Varsoon. Varsoon's claim was p. dumb and uncalled for at all.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1414 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:46 am

I loved Katawa Shoujo.

V/LA for 3 days, typing this with the browser on my PS3 cos no laptop.

Oh and I'm probably gonna ignore Lushydra. I dont care if they scumread me like shit, I just refuse to deal with that noise.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1512 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:47 pm

unvote
Vote Kagami

I did the do.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1518 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:03 pm

I played with town MC once.

It involved shouting at his scumreads and no walls at all iirc. We the Purple, right Cabd?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1521 (isolation #47) » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:10 pm

In post 1519, The Chamber of Kittens wrote:
In post 1518, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:I played with town MC once.

It involved shouting at his scumreads and no walls at all iirc. We the Purple, right Cabd?
I played in that game too, I know you played with him.

Oh right, Malakittens? By grudge I meant keeping a close eye on how he posts considering his tunneling there was on us so I know his behavior on his confident scumreads. Thing is, his first post in the game is about activity and after 60~ pages of slinging crap at each other he just so chimes in when mentioned.

Their hydra was quite organized in thought as well.

In post 1520, Messiah Complex wrote:Shouting doesn't exactly cover it. We, mostly me actually, were a bit over the top. but we thought we had scum based on slips that certain people made. And we sure as shit put up walls when they were needed.

Were you part of Jessica by chance?

The non-shouty part that didn't mistakenly claim Varsoon.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1526 (isolation #48) » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:36 pm

Maybe you should take this time by telling us your scumreads.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:05 pm

Oh my god did you actually shoot Kaze? Ahahahahah

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:14 pm

Oh nevermind. Hey pieguy, tell us more about your role. I read this and it says there "anti-town"

Sorry I immediately had to reply once Kaze reacted because I was laughing so hard. I actually believed that you shot him because there have been a trend to the claims so far, didn't see the other stuff until now.

I've always thought GCBC has been town since Morph the cat.

I don't want to be

that

person but most of my townreads are the noisiest people around. GCBC, Lush, Kaze, and Varsoon. I don't like wagons they build up against each other because to me it's town v town waiting for scum to pick sides.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1584 (isolation #51) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:59 am

In post 1580, pieguyn wrote:encryptor is a role that allows anyone that it can communicate with to communicate during the daytime. it's usually a scum role and allows scum daychat but in this case it allows me and my partner to get mason daychat

what was your read on Kaze before he got "shot"? was he always a townread?

@Jaqen:
talk to me about those questions Kaze was asking. after seeing Kaze's reaction do you disagree with my points on him? I'm already having paranoia that the reaction was faked although he basically did the blacklist tell and idk if he'd deliberately go that far as scum

Kaze was town to me before that, I was laughing because one, you'd be an idiot to shoot him and two, his reaction was priceless.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1605 (isolation #52) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:58 am

In post 1600, Jaqen Hghar wrote: One of a man's scum reads protecting another of a man's scum reads...

I'm a scumread?

So if I'm correct your scumpile right now is the exact opposite of my townpile. That being Kaze, Varsoon, GCBC, and Lush.

I'm sorry but despite being IC you have pretty bad reads >:O

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1612 (isolation #53) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:29 am

What.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1733 (isolation #54) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:51 pm

In post 1699, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 1693, Lush Life wrote:you did that by adding gasoline to mine and fery's longtime mafia thing which apparently is always slow burning. I thought we had worked things out!

You're never going to make this my fault. Ever. I didn't start that pissing contest and everyone knows it. You should be looking less at me and more at who IN THIS GAME was throwing propane at both of us.

Scum is benefiting from all these emotion filled tunnels.

Can someone explain the UFO read.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1737 (isolation #55) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:01 pm

Misquote but yeah. It was him who got me to sign up for this game and for the majority of the games I played with he had a useless lurky vibe as town. Not exactly in him to sub out considering he subbed in a game that was in MYLO.

http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthr ... UINS-GAMES

Mod intervention ruined the game. I'm Hannah, he's Angel Flonne.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1760 (isolation #56) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:17 pm

Let's lynch Kise, Varsoon :3

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1764 (isolation #57) » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:28 pm

unvote

vote Kise

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:12 pm

We're not gonna see a lynch anytime soon, aren't we?

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:36 am

Hey guys I got some Ice Cream.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1904 (isolation #60) » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:55 pm

vote Kaze

Make it 1/3 + 1

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1927 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:55 am

That feeling when all wagons suck and trying to push for a different lynch is practically impossible.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1929 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:59 am

In post 1928, Kagami wrote:While I agree that kaze's behavior is not what I have seen in the past as town-kaze, I'm beginning to think it's because of the largeness of the game rather than the content of his role PM

It's hard to have a genuine town tell in these games when 4 other people are doing the same thing.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1931 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:17 am

I meant you.

Not really unique in the confidence and tunneling anymore now that there are other wagons trying to build up the same momentum that you're trying to pull off.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1934 (isolation #64) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:37 am

In post 1881, Amaranth wrote:I don't like the other head of the hydra defending Des when Des was the one Lush was scumreading. The Des head responses aren't good.

To answer, I think UFO slot is scum. I gave you a quick ISO and noticed I missed a question.

unvote

I know him better than anyone in this website and I know for a fact that keeping up appearances as scum takes much more effort for him. Considering his town play is mostly sheepish and considering he was overshadowed by the noise it's just a bit weird.

What other lynches are you willing to entertain.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #1935 (isolation #65) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:37 am

Err wtf I didn't quote that.

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:12 am

Sticking to your guns I see. The lack of other choices is awfully suspicious.

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:16 am

I'm pretty bad at scum hunting too. Been here longer.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2004 (isolation #68) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:31 pm

vote Gaiden

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2033 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:33 am

Let's just lynch someone not-me today. Anyone.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:53 am

Will you love me if I vote Varsoon.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:11 pm

Forcing the player to actually claim the crumb, which isn't really going to help out. At all.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:57 pm

Why are you not reacting to the votes and suspicion towards you, Gaiden.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:58 pm

Kaze changed his avatar back. This must be a sign.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:01 am

Make it seven!

God I'm useless this game.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2191 (isolation #75) » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:45 pm

autocorrect kept changing my username to Katherine Lebanese.

Anyways, a Varsoon lynch will probably flip the wrong way but a part of me just wants the day to end.

I kind of prefer bubba, kise or a Gaiden lynch because Varsoon among others I feel are town.

If you want me to be honest, I've read back sometime and kept myself reserved because making reads after the mess of our day 1 start seems like it'll just get overshadowed and end up frustrating me. Same reason I'll keep my vote parked on Gaiden, Kaze. He made the post not to revive the bubba wagon but to feign scumhunting. Kind of like a "Look at me im halping" on an easy target.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2195 (isolation #76) » Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:27 am

Quit being a baby because your plea to insanity didn't work. Why are you trying to make a point by doing this rather than lynch actual scum? Everyone seems to have the same mentality that the more dedication and noise they make would get scum gone but newsflash, it doesn't.

Go riot about it Kaze. You seem to be fond of that.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2198 (isolation #77) » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:27 am

Why GCBC and Kagami

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2203 (isolation #78) » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:47 am

In post 2200, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 2195, Katarina LeBlanc wrote: Go riot about it Kaze. You seem to be fond of that.
I invite you to copulate with yourself repeatedly.

Well..

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2243 (isolation #79) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:43 am

This Gaiden wagon makes me want to make a muffin wagon too.

The wolf dressed up like sheep, is heading to the slaughter nonetheless.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2249 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:11 am

You're dumb.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2262 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:38 am

Maybe you should've made informed and articulate decisions in the first place.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:37 am

Scumread all those in Gaiden wagon? Bold move.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:39 am

It's exactly the type of thing you're going to come out tomorrow saying "I told you so" if Gaiden flips town.

Hey lookie here seems as if you nabbed a scum read as well, senpai.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:40 am

In post 2267, Lush Life wrote:
In post 2265, The Chamber of Kittens wrote::watchesyou:
*undresses sexy-like*

N-none of this here!!

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2553 (isolation #85) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:56 pm

Kaze baby

no

Alright that was most certainly a vig kill or like scum extra kill idk man.

Question, why are we not suspecting Varsoon at all. The moment I read up on him desperately trying to switch the vote on himself that was just disgustingly scummy and now he filled up a page with crap.

Also, didn't Varsoon claim encryptor and not redirector?

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2555 (isolation #86) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:00 pm

Nevermind it was redirector I'm silly. Though I swear I saw an encryptor claim somewhere in this game.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2556 (isolation #87) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:01 pm

In post 2554, pieguyn wrote:
In post 2553, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:Alright that was most certainly a vig kill or like scum extra kill idk man.
holy fucking shit

wow I was right Katarina really is the SK

lynch or leash?

I know for a fact that this game isn't multiball.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2560 (isolation #88) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:12 pm

I asked the host.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2567 (isolation #89) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:23 pm

If the game was a multi ball.

Hmm, why exactly do I die and what is this unneeded aggressiveness.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2574 (isolation #90) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:28 pm

Oh well, I'm pretty much useless now considering I've used my power up.

Oracle, modified whatever to make it that I can ask the host any question regarding the game. Only answerable with yes or no, and can't ask questions based on alignment.

I figured either me or Kaze were gonna die tomorrow considering we were early on the Gaiden wagon so I used the question up on something non-original. I enjoy how everyone dropped obvious reads to pursue this, expected more from GCBC tbh.

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2578 (isolation #91) » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:34 pm

Varsoon why did you desperately try to redirect the lynch towards your favor. Don't you dare say you thought Gaiden was town and preferred your lynch.

Also p.edit
"Is this game multi ball (multiple scum factions)"

The sub host said he couldn't answer but I clarified my role and got a no.

I'm Saigyouchii or something my messages are a mess so like Google it.

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:02 pm

Well the thing I added on the parentheses count right? If so a vigkill on Serene was possible.

Well, I think claims at this point are going by like water considering we lost our investigative role already and yeah.

Only issue I have is that vigi has limited shots and used it p!

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:03 pm

Is if* considering most roles in this game are x-shot

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:07 pm

In post 2592, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 2590, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:we lost our investigative role already and yeah.
?

What investigative role is dead?

Serene is like Mason role cop something right

P.edit

Doubt it

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:45 pm

My lynches are 80% gut

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:12 pm

In post 2598, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
In post 2590, Katarina LeBlanc wrote: If so a vigkill on Serene was possible.
And something catches a man's eye. Why Serene? Did a man miss where scum claimed to have killed Kaze? Please, point this claim out to a man so it can be put to a quick death.

Kaze initiated Gaiden wagon. Why are you desperately trying to over complicate things. I'm sorry but really? Take into account the information I forwarded and the nature of kills.

This isn't multi ball, so only a vigkill would be the plausible explanation for Serene's death (in my eyes at least)
Vig would have no reason to kill Kaze unless he was completely incompenent which I don't expect from this site.

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:47 pm

I want to lynch Kise or Muffin

Maybe dram

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2641 (isolation #98) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:04 am

Let's lynch her while she's gone-

Katarina LeBlanc · Post Post #2697 (isolation #99) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:17 am

I don't think Gaiden wagon is all town, at least the first 3-4 votes but not all conf town. Paranoia, yes. I don't like Kagami's stance on this, you're over simplifying the game because of the lynch.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:25 am

Analyzing Varsoon wagon compared to Gaiden wagon had a bunch of our "conf towns" in it and right now I'm not a fan of ActionDan and Dram lynch.

vote Chamber of Kittens

This though, I like.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:26 am

In post 2677, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
In post 2636, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:
In post 2598, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
In post 2590, Katarina LeBlanc wrote: If so a vigkill on Serene was possible.
And something catches a man's eye. Why Serene? Did a man miss where scum claimed to have killed Kaze? Please, point this claim out to a man so it can be put to a quick death.
Kaze initiated Gaiden wagon. Why are you desperately trying to over complicate things. I'm sorry but really? Take into account the information I forwarded and the nature of kills.

This isn't multi ball, so only a vigkill would be the plausible explanation for Serene's death (in my eyes at least)
Vig would have no reason to kill Kaze unless he was completely incompenent which I don't expect from this site.
There's no complication to questioning a thing so simple. Scum are unpredictable and a man sees no reasonable explanation for why Katarina the White should jump to the conclusion that one was killed this way and the other that. A man doesn't like dodgy answers, which is what has been provided. Wagon ahoy!

Go away no one likes you

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:51 am

Yeah she clarified that.

To be honest, I just wanted to use up my power because I just wanted to make due with it then go to bed.

ALSO UPDATE: Mod told me that she counts Serial killers as Third Party so I'm somewhat lost again still.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:16 pm

you like cok haha-

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:01 pm

Ugh, I probably wasted my question and there's an SK in this game.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:22 pm

What if the IC is the Serial Killer

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:02 am

This all seems so unnecessary, the only person so far who I've seen doubt the claim is Jaqen and he voteparkd GCBC yesterday. I thought revealing the oracle question i sent would kill some suspicion and paranoia regarding the setup but apparently people need to pursue irrelevant crap!

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:36 am

Maybe I should've thought my question through.. I'm sorry.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:08 am

Yeah GCBC's bulletproof claim was uneeded. The question and redirection from Version should've been explanation enough but he claimed out of the blue and made no deal about it.

I still want CoK over Action Dan.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:22 pm

I'm gonna murder Jaqen

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:04 am

In post 2794, Kise wrote:Kat can we be friends?

After I lynch you! I want to keep up my tsundere looks.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:09 pm

In post 2798, Jaqen Hghar wrote:A man has thought on much and more and concluded the man replaced may have had the right of it. Many have labored in thought over scum seemingly not protecting a cornerstone role which allowed those of the night to freely engage among themselves as the sun dances the sky. This is what has kept a man preoccupied over the last couple of days.

Something Amiss

After reading many scrolls, it truly does seem as if the daytalk were simply laid by. On the surface at least. A man puts forward that all is not as it seems and that scum did much and more, as well as should be expected, to protect their Morning Star.

2063 is a clue. "I've accepted it. I need to die for
us
to win". When a man first read this it didn't ring with the same tone as now. At this point the suspicion on Varsoon must so have been most unbearable, and just so. This sounds more like going with a planned course than a man resigned to his fate. A man with no hope has no hope, yet Varsoon speaks of winning?

Plainly, Varsoon was playing at self lynching for a moon. It wasn't until votes danced off making a tie not a Varsoon lynch
and
a general town read on him, for him to finally vote his gallows partner. Something is amiss here and a man thinks it's because Varsoon is a lesser scum and the planned bus which went awry.

----------------

Bastards are Known for Their Treachery

When the Bastard of Lush posited 2247, a man is sure many paid no mind. Bastards have ill blood and often speak as such, so things like this are expected. A base born is also known to be cunning, finding scum connections and generally a player a man would want on his side. But, a man should die lest he forget a bastard is also treacherous. Here too is a push off the gaiden wagon. A man thinks this slot bears watching.

I agree with the Varsoon part. I interpreted his desperation on Gaiden's sudden wagon as trying to save a scum partner from lynch by using himself as vote fodder. Even if Varsoon was not aware of the plurality, wouldn't his vote have tied and neutered both lynches?

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:16 pm

In post 2378, Varsoon wrote:GCBC just confirmed there's no scum in me or Gaiden.
GG mislynch one of us.

In post 2383, Varsoon wrote:GCBC is scum.

In post 2486, Varsoon wrote:Gonna ride Pie's coat-tails for now.
AND FOREVER.

VOTE: Actiondan

I still don't like GCBCACDC

Super noided on Pie, but I wanna see how far the rabbit hole goes.

In post 2490, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, for serious, I'm spent and busy.
If I'm not around, don't let the jerkbutts trick you into lynching me.

I tried to kill you N1, GCBC. Didn't work.

How is GCBC confirmed?

In post 2520, Varsoon wrote:Hey GCBC,
the only reason we were fighting was because the record labels were paying us to,
so why don't we combine forces and make the best rap album of all ti--er, hunt scum?

I want to lynch Version, but AD as well. So I guess he can wait tomorrow

vote ActionDan

You better kill me tonight or I'm tunneling the shit out of you tomorrow, Varsoon.

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:07 am

I wasn't a fan because I didn't know why the wagon existed. I read back and saw the stuff on Serene and they're both pretty much at the same spot (CoK).

Also that Gaiden vote seems bussy considering he selfvotes in the end, Gaiden wagon was extremely fast and ended up backfiring his attempts.

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:21 am

vote Chamber of Kittens

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:41 am

Meow meow

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:47 am

Already?

vote Muffin

I still say lynch Kise.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:08 am

My god Jaqen shut up.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:13 am

In post 2728, Yukari Yakumo wrote:
VC 2.4
ActionDan (L-4):
pieguyn | Kise | bubbajack8 | Varsoon | Lush Life | Amaranth

Varsoon (L-9):
dramonic

dramonic (L-9):
Messiah Complex

Katarina LeBlanc (L-9):
Jaqen Hghar

The Chamber of Kittens (L-7):
ActionDan | Kagami | Katarina LeBlanc

Not Voting:
zMuffinMan, The Chamber of Kittens, Tsukasa, Saki, Mac, GoodCop_BadCop

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Feburary 4, 12:00 AM EST.
Deadline Counter: (expired on 2014-02-04 01:00:00)

This votecouht is v. Important!

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:18 am

In post 2897, ActionDan wrote:ok so. Nacho isn't a killer.

Only one kill from yesterdays 2. I'm not really confident of adding them to my townpile .

P.edit: Kagami I have a feeling there's scum on the AD wagon

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:32 am

L-1 seems a tad bit dangerous and a waste!

unvote

I'll wait until people check in, namely Varsoon and the man in suspect.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:37 am

Because we have other players unaccounted for that might have a PR or something at hand.

Also, Lush didn't cop Muffin. They were on Kagami.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:41 am

I'm a dummy aren't I. Ugh fine. I'm guessing I missed the claim or whatever then but the wiki about it kinda makes sense so woo.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:45 am

I just don't want him to be within range of self hammer to prevent making the most of the day.

Honestly Jaqen, your VC made you somewhat of a VI which really makes me ignore any content you post within the day. It's not paranoia, just plain silliness on your part.

P.edit: I assumed that the town card meant Lush inspecting Kagami day 1. Considering Lush was scum reading Kagami back then (not fully sure about this but that's what I recall). I didn't know the motivator thing until brought up just now.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:51 am

Actually. FoS on Dan.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:58 am

Alright paranoid me speaking but is it possible that AD bussed CoK? The only other reason I can think that Kagami was town'd by Lush is if they caught on the motivator claim, not necessarily the inspect.

So it could be Kagami motivates Lush.
Lush inspects both ActionDan and Muffin, two guilties.
Lush cleans Kagami due to hinting and whatever.
Considering Lush is guns a'blazin it's natural to try to find a way to go around the guilty, so AD busses a weaker and somewhat inactive scummy player.

Because we have 3 investigatory roles if AD is claiming that. Serene, Lush and him. Seems a bit too good to be true.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:07 am

Well, if you had an early teammate lynched out and yourself and a scumy buddy immediately suspected by Lush, who has drum end being booster by Kagami or whatnot. Then you might probably go outside of meta considering losing both of you would leave CoK alone. Which isn't really ideal considering their position in the game.

And Lush won't immediately dismantle the wagon. Their flip, along with Kagami's power would most certainly spark a claim from her instead. So they had in out by going back on their reads.

ALSO you were the on who brought up Motivator, not me. Why are you denying it now.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:09 am

Oh my god the autocorrects hurt, I hope people can salvage my words ;~;

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:18 am

Well I'm lynching Muffin either way. I need my first hammer on this site.

I'm just enjoying my theory because it seems pretty damn plausible to me unless Kagami isn't motivator at all and I'm an idiot.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:34 pm

Well whoever was on Lush should probably shed some light on it!

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:43 pm

Why would you track me when I claimed Oracle.

Plus your reasons are bogus and I'm not buying it one bit. It seems like you needed two targets that won't really speak out, unless dram is PR which you can fish by him proving you wrong.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:59 pm

In post 2959, zMuffinMan wrote:
katarina wrote:Why would you track me when I claimed Oracle.
because your play yesterday didn't make a lot of sense. you went from speaking out against the action dan wagon to being fine with it over 200 posts and i didn't buy your explanation for it at all. i didn't really care about your oracle claim; it could have been a fake-claim

Bullshit, the exact words I said were "not a fan of AD wagon" and I was pushing for CoK wagon. You sir, are making up shit. Why would I openly push for a wagon on scum as scum. Also lol bussing considering I also pushed for Gaiden wagon early day 1.

In post 2961, ActionDan wrote:imo real tracker/watcher should cc.

I'd rather comfortably lynch scum than mislynch town due to saving a tracker/watcher that will probably be protected anyway (cough 1-shot strongman scum is dead)

Ninja bad girl is also dead so yay.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:24 pm

Oh I'm sorry once I make reads in the game I have to stick to them until I die. Changing lynch targets is clearly a scum tell.

Also, if you mean objecting to a wagon is prioritizing a better lynch from my POV then go ahead and bend my words even more.

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:44 pm

Muffin give your reads and stop fucking procrastinating, next post has to be long and have player names.

P.edit: I'm waiting on Varsoon, tbh.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:02 am

The lack of CC is unnerving.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:33 am

Lusu would defintely have 180'd out in the open.

How about we massclaim, considering everyone is checking in claims or at least crumbing their PR in a way. Varsoon already claimed redirector, not really buying it.

We quite possibly have a vigilante in the game, or Varsoon redirected someone to GCBC hence the lackof secondary kill (this does mean SK is in play considering the game isnt multiball and the mod clarified that SK is third party or w/e)

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:35 am

Varsoon should probaly check in or be prodded!

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:11 pm

Cirno should be roleblocker then!

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:23 pm

vote Muffin

I did the do.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:48 pm

What are Mollie's d1 reads?

If she claimed that all her reads were wrong after d1 then proceeded to tunnel you AFTER that then it should be quite clear who the inspection was on.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:32 am

Dramonic was claimed not to have made a move during n1.
Nachomamma is against Muffin lynch so I don't see a CC coming out from any of them.
Mac and King Henry have yet to check in.
Not sure about MC.

Can we list down current claims and justifications of their actions?

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:36 am

Also, there it can be safe to assume that Lush crumbed an inspect rather than openly revealing it.

Regardless of when they flip, the read was there right after Day 1 which is irrefutable evidence of the action. They could've pursued CoK lynch because they were equally as scummy and ActionDan claimed. Lush might've taken the nightkill because scum picked up on the crumb and needed to stop Lush from actually claiming.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:28 am

Watching Kagami work is really neat.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:30 am

I'm a bottom :c

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:36 pm

Considering that most powers are X-shot I assume MC's power steals one of the shots for personal use (?)

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:04 pm

In post 3211, Nachomamma8 wrote:Hi guys I'm the motivator

In post 3212, Nachomamma8 wrote:And yes, Lush was motivated Night 1.

In post 3284, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 3280, Kagami wrote:2644

Unless a hidder PR interacted with him, nacho motivated him
Hey, that's us!

We're
Marisa Kirisame, the Good Stealing Girl
.

Each night we target one player and take something of theirs. Some people have stuff, some don't. Stuff matches flavor. Our target will be notified our of our action and it might do something to them.

We targeted Lush N1 and stole the Rod of Judgement (also called the Rod of Remorse).

We targeted Dramonic N2 and he didn't have anything worth stealing.

- Des

In post 2644, Lush Life wrote:Oracle claim is fine and fits loosely with Yuyuko's (I assume that's who you're trying to claim) and I thought she was town anyway so yeah.

In addition to other stuff, we have the ability to confirm a yet unnamed
person
as town due to interactions last night, but I'm wondering if I should just say what happened and we can leave it till later for who did it to claim.

Muffin's still scum.

-bork (all D2 posts so far have been me and I forgot to sign)

One of those don't belong. When did Lush say that two people visited him or there were two separate interactions with him.

Can we

please

lynch Muffin now, please.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:21 pm

The case doesn't boil down to that, Lush definitely crumbed the cop guilty. The ActionDan wagon was rolling, but at the same time ActionDan was also a suspect of them. Why would they openly claim their inspect against another wagon that they're for???

Even if the ActionDan claim was there, they still got a guilty and the reads that Lush gave it is definitey indicative that they copped you in that regardless of what happens to them the following day, their flip will be word enough to suspect you.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:04 am

Lush crumbed a PR. Muffin wagon had 0 traction, only way for him to get you out was through claim or bodybag. Guess which one they did.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:48 am

Because you can coast earlier on in the game due to "inactivity" and sub in with enough information

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:34 pm

can we lynch muffin already please this speculation is weird and frankly not giving us any useful information

I tried to prolong the game because we're 2 scum lynches in meaning we can probably PoE the remaining scum but everyone's roles are so contradictory that the best way to prove any theory is to lynch muffin due to the Lush read which I trust a lot.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:36 pm

Also if there was any redirection of any sort then we should FoS Varsoon, eh?

I'm still iffy about that needless d1 claim and the shenanigans with the Self-vote against Gaiden.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:51 pm

What if they're 6

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:15 pm

I stand on ground.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:56 pm

In post 3595, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 3594, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:I stand on ground.
I thought your uniform was all about flight?

Touché

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:08 am

Stop if Muffin. Just stop.

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:06 am

In post 3633, zMuffinMan wrote:@kat,

go play in the sandbox while the adults talk, k?

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:07 am

In post 3638, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 3573, Kagami wrote:
In post 3569, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 3568, Kagami wrote:I want to lynch bubba~
You think his D1 claim was coached? Or just derpscum? And if coached, by who?
Daytalk allows for many possibilities.

I think it's very very likely that serene investigated Bubba, and I think it's unlikely that anyone would have singled serene out as dangerous enough to be worth a NK. I would not be at all surprised if bubba was in fact a one-shot PGO, and the actual role was similar enough to his one-shot bomb claim that he derped into a convincing claim.
I'm going to go ahead and full claim now. I'm a good one-shot active bomb Girl. Now what does this mean? Well as said earlier
I have a nuculear rod
. ONCE as in UNO I may arm myself. If anyone tries to kill me that night they die too. It's gone in the morning. Which is why I wouldn't blow up on lynch like GiF said. (:

MUffin I already quoted everything Lush said about you. Did you miss that? And you CRUCIALLY left out Majiffy's town read on you, and then him saying "His reads were all wrong"

Meaning it could be stolen?

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:09 am

I just checked my role PM, my Oracle powers have no item or anything. It's just a regular power with some flavor so I don't think it could've been stolen.

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:58 am

I this wasn't a bastard game?

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:58 am

thought*

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:30 am

Alright, how about this.

Does anyone else have anything that could be "stolen" listen on their role PM? Mine doesn't have anything so I'm not sure if this is entirely accurate. Probably from the list of people that have already claimed, just dwell into the flavor of your role PMs and such

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:00 pm

inb4 Kise, Messiah Complex, Bubba scum team.

The lack of any other innate item for other claims are suspicious >:o

Katarina LeBlanc · Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:59 pm

In post 2832, ActionDan wrote:Well I'm remilia. 2 shot kill cop.
CoK killed last night

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:01 am

In post 3699, Kagami wrote:
In post 3689, ActionDan wrote:Oh and nacho is obv town. He had no reason to motivate me as scum. Unless you believe we are scum together
This is not entirely clear. If you had picked up your pm, you likely would have found that you couldn't investigate twice anyway. You are a 2-shot role who had already used one shot.

If lush were roleblocked or his investigation were tampered with, there's no reason to believe the motivator is town.
The motivation on lush would have zero or negative pro-town utility
, and the motivate on you had zero pro-town utility. The fact that you were motivated night 2 is more suspicious than not, I find it odd that nacho would not consider the possibility that his motivate shot would be completely wasted.

What if Motivator was on Lush but then flipped the investigations? Guilty = non-guilty.

Seems like something a scum motivator would do. Also Kagami, why am I not town (is self conscious)

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:15 am

Also, just a thought. Why would they make a thief and inventor same alignment? It seems extremely counter productive for town and borderline silly for scum.

I was guessing that one is scum between them!

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:19 am

Towncred?

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:44 am

Inventor gives items to town, Scum-thief takes them. That seems highly possible!

Also on the note of host interaction, I didn't want to bring it up until now but I asked him an example of what question I could ask and the response was "Is there a miller in the game?" as a question. I didn't know if I could disclose such information after talking to him so I just didn't bring it up because I was afraid of a modkill!

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:34 pm

You guys are butts and don't want to lynch Muffin, fine.

I wanna see how Messiah Complex flips but all my reads are currently going so weird. I want to just sheep Kagami and start a new tomorrow but her reads are pretty scatterbrained (sorry ;_;) like she's flipflopping over the place that I can't really trust whose wagon she wants to ride on at the moment.

Basically my lynch options are
1. Muffin
- if he flips scum we fos on Nacho
- if he flips town THEN I can start doubting GCBC. Honestly I've been reading him as strong town every since day one with the Lush exchange and the Varsoon exchange. I find his jumping on Muffin justified and all. It's just that he claimed bulletproof for no reason at all and I can't help but doubt him just a teeny bit. Hopefully Muffin lynch would kill suspicion.
2. Messiah Complex
- this is mostly just gut suspicion from his role coupled by my role speculation with Kise
3. Varsoon
- He just kinda disappeared along the line that it's pretty suspicious. After 2 scum disappearing he just kinda shut up and let the game flow which is pretty bad. Also, he claimed for no reason vs. GCBC late in the day (both of them are shits for this btw)

I dont wanna start picking on inactive-ish villies just because other peoples' flips might reveal more action resolves and the ones I listed can maybe townread some people under suspicion!

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:23 pm

In post 3748, Messiah Complex wrote:I don't feel good about Bubba. The whole I asked the mod about stealing items doesn't sit well with me given the clarification I was given on the role, added to the fact that when I asked if he would answer someone in the negative about items to be stolen I was told I would not be getting an answer to my question.

Okay. So basically you check out people's flavors according to their character regardless of their role?

If so then

vote bubba

that weapon thing is just awfully inconsistent with everything that's been going on in this game.

He claims to already know his item, yet majority of the game have not or do-not posses an item. Mine's just a power! It just seems as if he's playing of Messiah's claim to get towncred and that's just super scummy.

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:24 pm

Also Kagami I finally understand what you meant about bubba being bomb.

Claiming that he has something stealable could mean he was baiting Messiah for the night action!

Katarina LeBlanc · Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:24 pm

err PGO*

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:12 am

bubba is probably a good lynch today!

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:01 am

Messiah you should see Bubba's "crumb"

Katarina LeBlanc · Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:56 am

Sure!

Also @Kagami his crumb was pretty bs, I initially thought it was just some joke but everyone took it seriously

I'd like to think mafiascum people have higher standards than to do bad crumbs like that

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:41 am

I dont like this GCBC lynch so you guys will have to do it without me I'd much rather prefer the lynch pool i posted a day back..

I'm tired and just w/e you know

Katarina LeBlanc · Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:12 am

Cabd baby,

no

.

Katarina LeBlanc · Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:57 am

Please don't lynch GCBC today. Please.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:02 am

Sakura why are you voting Dram? Wasn't he cleared for n1 where there were 2 nightkills?

I'd much rather lynch bubba at this point, or muffin even. Not really sure how to persuade people to not entertain silly wagons.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:12 am

So you're going to sit on that bad wagon and wait until the day times out rather than a flip that's informative and could possibly be scum?

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:13 am

Me? A mastermind? That's silly.

I'm a poor helpless little girl.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:32 am

You don't seem to have any scum in your pool http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5665167

but you entertained the lynch pool that Kagami setup for you, picking the weakest and nullish lynch flip of course. Have you read back into the game at all or are you basing things on recent turn of events?

P.edit: I'm not mad.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:36 am

In post 3944, Kagami wrote: You seem fairly convinced that you are a vanilla cop of sorts, so what do you make of bubba's question to yukari?

Presumably you would have to believe he's lying that he asked it, but doesn't that seem like a remarkable brash scum-play? This relies on us asking yukari ourselves and getting a consistent result, which he couldn't be confident would happen. Look at his response to my initial statement that yukari didn't answer my question: Does that look like the reply of scum who got caught in a lie?

If he was telling the truth about having asked the question, why would he lie about yukari's response?

It seems almost certain to me that bubba is non-vanilla and his item is not stealable, and therefore you are not a vanilla-cop.

"Why would he lie about it"

why not ask have the masses ask the moderator about it, if one, just one of them claim that their item can vouch that their item can be stolen then I'll believe him. I do believe Bubba lied to gain temporary towncred but didn't account for others asking about their item. Lynchl should be on either bubba or MC because both of their roles and current claims are not fitting together.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:40 am

Avoiding you when?

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:17 am

Sudden scumread all of a sudden? Explain

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:24 am

Well you're pushing someone to vote me.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:47 am

This game got extremely slow all of a sudden.

I completely disagree with the GCBC lynch. Jaqen, what other lynch options do you have.

Katarina LeBlanc · Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:45 pm

I can honestly see why Cabd is blacklisting you.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:51 am

vote Saki

I'll sheep.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:55 am

In post 3638, bubbajack8 wrote: I'm going to go ahead and full claim now. I'm a good one-shot active bomb Girl. Now what does this mean? Well as said earlier
I have a nuculear rod.
ONCE as in UNO I may arm myself. If anyone tries to kill me that night they die too. It's gone in the morning. Which is why I wouldn't blow up on lynch like GiF said. (:

MUffin I already quoted everything Lush said about you. Did you miss that? And you CRUCIALLY left out Majiffy's town read on you, and then him saying "His reads were all wrong"

In post 3726, bubbajack8 wrote:So I messaged mod and they said
my item can't be stolen.
This also puts me at mislynch fodder since some people still refuse to believe I'm town.

If we're lynching GCBC just so he doesn't get to lylo I HIGHLY suggest you all change your votes to me.

VOTE: Bubba

GiF: whydoieventry? ):

In post 4005, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 3977, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy
I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.
)
This is a lie.
GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:06 am

Man I hate when it comes down to game mechanics.

My role is an ability as well. It's called "

Definitely not cheating

" and a brief description of the ability. (That I can ask a moderator a yes or no question regarding the game but not the alignment)

GCBC, word your communication with the moderator better. Bubba, you too.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:08 am

LET'S SEE SOME BLOOD.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:06 pm

My actions were not dubious, you're making wild illogical assumptions to justify your stupid reads that will obviously flip wrong.

bubba, we are all reading the same thing and it's pretty fucking obvious what Lush hydra wanted done. Our only defense right now is that a lot of people are claiming and we're trying to see if the pieces of the puzzle fit. Game slowed down because we stopped at a point where we can't seem to resolve anything.

From what I recall Muffin was tittering the bounds of an L-1 when I decided to give it some time for discussion (which I highly regret now). If I recall correctly as well your vote was in that early Muffin wagon so you read the exact same thing that Lush posted and came to the same conclusion that he and everyone else on that wagon did. After all the resolution everyone backed down because Muffin claimed tracker who tracked two targets that

definitely cannot refute the claim

who were also under no suspicion whatsoever. To track a somewhat inactive player who is a shaky read (Dramonic) and the claimed Oracle who partook in the counterwagon to lynch the first scum and was already pushing for the CoK wagon

before

the claim happened is just a save-ass claim.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:17 pm

ActioDan, how many shots do you have left on your ability/how many did you have to begin with

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:51 pm

Are you being serious right now Jaqen.

Also Kagami I asked the ActionDan thing because I'm too lazy to see if Dan used it up during night 1 and if Motivator gave an extra charge.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:05 pm

Wait didn't MC visit Dramonic last night and

not

get a result? So is that the possibility of some kind of cop that investigates whether or not a person is a PR considering Dram claimed VT.

Flavor cop is starting to look inconsistent.

P-edit: But I'm starting to believe the red herring Ninja that GCBC posed because his tracks were safe and undeniable. I have no action to cc his track with and Dramonic is VT.

P-edit Jaqen: I'm town, get hit by a car. Thank you.

P-edit Nacho: I was afraid of everyone being limited shot as well, one of my theories early on in the game.

P-edit Kagami: Majority of the claims including me, also can you please explain your role for me.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:50 pm

In post 4071, zMuffinMan wrote:literally just going to ignore kat if she keeps pushing the "dram was VT and a safe track target" angle

@kagami

i made a similar assumption to nacho so i don't see your issue with nacho's thinking

k so I missed out the part where you claimed the track on Dramonic before he claims, alright.

Also take this on why I'm suspecting you: You could be lying about being a tracker

*Gasp*

Hence my suspicion on your actions during the night. I'm not excusing you just because you claimed. You cannot ignore the fact that the role cop pushed for your lynch d2. You may say that Lushdra didn't inspect you but we have no confirmation of this nor any reason to believe you just because you said so. You can get upset with me all you want but the case is right there and I'm entertaining the possibility that I see, and that's with you being a lying scumface!

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:18 pm

Messiah, I can see your 180 on GCBC.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5643423
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5643438

to your wall scumread on 3614.

What happened to your conviction on Muffin.

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:22 pm

I think ur a butt

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:30 pm

If you iso'd Messiah Complex and a bulk of his day 2 posts, he starts out in a blaze of glory alongside GCBC with a scumread on Muffin. He brings up himself how obvious the crumb was etc.

Goes into midday where he kinda falls off the game outside of the claim because Kagami takes over the thread with speculation and such.

Then we shift over here where all of a sudden he wants to lynch GCBC despite sharing each other's reads early in the day.

I just want to know when Messiah went from Muffin is confirmed baddie crumbed by Lush (which GCBC forwarded and MC acknowledged was a legitimate read) into his current read now which is basically "shut up GCBC ur scum"

Katarina LeBlanc · Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:34 pm

In post 3017, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 3016, Messiah Complex wrote:
You read Lush's ISO too didn't you?

The muffin read comes out of NOWHERE and is like, the first thing all three heads agreed on all game. Bork and Jiffy both reversed D1 townreads if I read correctly as well.
It couldn't be more obvious to us.

- Des
Yeah, I was the first to point it out actually. Good to have you aboard.

See the friendship.

THE FRIENDSHIP.