Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Jaqen Hghar]

Aam received no notification of game start!

[Jaqen Hghar]

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A boy says much, without saying. A man sees the scum have no day chat. This is just so. With his own words, a boy condemns himself.

VOTE: Morph the cat

[Jaqen Hghar]

So, you wanna bitch at us and take potshots at us? Fine. Aim at me. I'm right here, be as much of an asshat as you want towards me.

A girl's hormones rule her thoughts. That which is petty is best left ignored, yet every game a girl loses herself to the most innocuous of japes. Those buttons will continue to be pushed for as long as a girl allows them to be pushed.

[Jaqen Hghar]

morph isn't town guyz

I wish you could see it

hi honey.

can we push morph aside for now because I'm not sold but I think they might be town? it'll be like watching tv and the cat jumping up in your face. we can put them on the other couch to sleep.

We're not touching Morph today. Mollie handed reading the slot to me, and I think it's town.

Vote Bubba.

morph isn't town guyz

I wish you could see it

A man contradicts himself

[Jaqen Hghar]

Cabd can do 11 games because he is scum kind of mafia god, but I need a crutch for this.

No man is a God. Some think they are, while some give deference to the belief, but this is not so.

[Jaqen Hghar]

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

Just so. A boy may have cause for concern if Varsoon remains.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Spoiler: Why I have Confirmation Bias

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

Discrediting meta arguments in a meta-heavy playerlist.

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

Forcing himself into the "town" herd by referring to "we".

This sentence is just bad

bad

bad.

Except for when those town read players are scum

Discrediting the idea of forming a townbloc.

Hey. Hey mollie. Bubba noticed it too so that makes him my scumbuddy right?

he also said he had no clue what it meant yeah?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.

"Please don't look at me".

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

Already mentioned this, but he's trying to leapfrog off an observation I made earlier to look like he's scumhunting, when he's not.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Idk, were you lynched? If so; then I guess it worked out great.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

Begin #MislynchDefense

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

Defensive behavior (feigned indignation) to cover up for what they deem to be an indefensible argument being put forth.

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

More of the above. Also more #MislynchDefense

It's because Majiffy no likey bubba's play.

Bring it the fuck on. This is a drastic change from you saying you were going to ignore me.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

etc.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

etc.

I refer to you my earlier comment about my play being MY play.

etc.

So can we please lynch this thing now?

A man fixes thing to give perspective.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I am going to find some way to make your life absolutely dreadful for the remainder of this game.

I don't know how yet... but I will.

Only death can pay for life, and you do have the night.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man contradicts himself

Thank you for confirming how much of a moron you are.

Now sheep me.

A man is not a sheep. Are you asking to be made pate and have your hair sold for wool? Otherwise a man is already voting your conscience. It is impossible for a man to follow a boy and a girl taking opposite paths with the same body. And, a man feels he's on the right path already.

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A man fixes thing to give perspective.

You are also welcome to refute my case on Bubba point-by-point if you don't feel he's scum.

There is no cause for a man to refute that confirmation bias which is plain enough on its own.

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And a man is scum if he doesn't? Is that the emotion

failing

attempting to be appealed? IC,

remember

fail.

[Jaqen Hghar]

In short, a man has no need to say why he disagrees; that he disagrees is all which is necessary.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Sigh. In all evil there is good, and in all good, evil. When a man sees all that another man does as evil, the first has bias against the second. This is known.

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BTW, mr. "posting gimmick that sucks", I'm a guy. The other head of this hydra is female. We distinguiash that with neuter-half vs. spay-half.

A man sees. A man knows. And none of that makes you town. A man has read you often resort to calling for your friends as scum cabd. Instead of refuting that which has been said, you call on friends to pull your fat ass out of the fire. Next, you'll be using you modlies to pull private information from without to within. It makes no matter. A man has many faces.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man forgives the ignorance of I comprehension as he would a blind man for not seeing, a deaf man for not hearing.

[Jaqen Hghar]

TLDR a man is facing wrath simply because those of slow wit would rather sacrifice a resource than to improve their intellect. A man thanks this is a sad commentary on today's youth and tomorrow's future.

[Jaqen Hghar]

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A boy says much, without saying. A man sees the scum have no day chat. This is just so. With his own words, a boy condemns himself.

VOTE: Morph the cat

In the bold, a boy (cabd) is admonishing his teammates to read stuff before posting and giving their scum selves over their own laziness. He would have to be sly to do so in thread, which also shows scum have no day talk. For a boy (cabd) to know scum have no day talk, he too would have to be scum. While the ones this message was to are as yet unknown, cabd slipped in a very cabd way. Ergo, cabd is scum. Ergo, morph the cat is scum. Ergo, he should be lynched.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Greasemonkey installed, looking for the interface that ms.net's modified version of PHPBB3 accepts.

Ably could silly hit ignore and accomplish the same task without all the in thread whining. This is known. Yet, a boy is making a spectacle ITT in order to discredit a man who is all over his ass!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Greasemonkey installed, looking for the interface that ms.net's modified version of PHPBB3 accepts.

A boy could simply hit ignore and accomplish the same task without all the in thread whining. This is known. Yet, a boy is making a spectacle ITT in order to discredit a man who is all over his ass!

[Jaqen Hghar]

...You know for supposedly having meta'd around a lot you sure have a pretty piss poor understanding of the prevalence of daytalk on this site's culture.

I do t recall a man ever saying he meta'd around. Care to quote that?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A lady has a man's attention, Mollie.

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A lady has a man's attention, Mollie.

you have my complete and total support. I am not sure where our vote is going to land it really depends on who is online at the time. I have the lifespan of a housefly in larges these days but you might give me some competition since you are an IC!!!

don't let the boys bully you, they just get like that sometimes. majiffy is actually a pretty good scumhunter he just does better with a few flips.

not every1 is seeing what we are seeing and I am not sure why. do you think that morph was trying to ease a town read on a scummate wrt bubba? kise had a good point about bubba but I am townreading him.

A man has three strong reads. Kise, Lush Life, and morph the cat. A pair of town and a scum. WRT bubba, a scum Logan is just so. But only a lean. Kagami leans the other way.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Also, a man doe not think su casa is mi casa, if you catch a man's play on words.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A Faceless Man, of course. But just now, a man is most like pretending to be a boy who would wear a chain about his neck.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Kazekirimaru, a lady's suspicion on the MtC slot is based on cabd's slip, not on a petty grievance with the other half. A man is pretty sure of this. cabd's deflecting and discrediting afterward instead of just being his town self pretty much wraps that up in a pretty bow. And the conf bias comes from the jiffy third on someone they've had problems reading in other games, and he sets ablaze that which he can't read. Probably because he's so good at reading.

A boy should stay, have fun, and see past the surface to the real which lies beneath.

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A man sees that if bubba is scum he HAS to be scum with MtC.

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Me either, but hang around. I'm talking to giffy right now.

And if there's a modicum of truth in mollie's words and this fight is a facade, I'm liable to set my computer on fire. That's just too much.

I just want to play some goddamned mafia.

When she gets like this, she's liable to vote a cop claiming an innocent on us before she'll re-evaluate her read. I'm just sitting here watching the rest of the players reactions to it, and taking notes. Well, that, and wondering when bork and jiffy are gonna come back and deal with her.

A man forgets they already expressed they were deferring to lady Mollie's read on his slot.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man thinks Kagami is town. But only because she doesn't seem overly concerned as to what she posts or what others think of those post. A girl could certainly put forth more, but that's enough for a maybe town, yes?

Ah. Yes, but a man begged for his innocence to be kept secret until the timing was just so.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Actually, jaqen's point is pretty good... Why is bubba the partner?

When a man reads in context and in ISO bubba is content to try to make people like him, to post naught but fluff, and to attempt to look town over jaut doing things town do to root out scum. This

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

from post 291 is weird. A man looked over and over again to find where he and this mystery other said they didnt like when people alluded to their role pm to clear someone and never found it, so the man is left wondering who this wight he conversed with is and where the conversation was had.

[Jaqen Hghar]

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A man will break this down a little more thoroughly for Muffin

-cabd believes town would be more apt to skip the mod opening sequence
-cabd believes scum would be more likely to read the opening lest they miss something that could screw up
their game
-cabd says "You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves."
-as cabd believes town less likely read the opening, he would have nothing to be ashmed of for town missing
the IC
-as cabd believes scum should have read the opening, and aparently didn't, the statement of shame can only
be applied to those he's shaming. The scum.
-this leads a resonable man to ponder,

why wold a town cabd be motivated to help scum?

-since cabd took the chance to do this ITT, it further implies the lack of day talk.

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Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

So uh guys that care. Townslip?

And a man thinks this is where cabd's disappointment is directed, though it could be another.

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A man has seen cabd bring down his whole scum team with one of his slips before so this my be just so Kagami. That makes at least three who see and know.

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Too many posts, too much creative license abuse.

A boy could skip them all and vote Morph on faith.

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If it's true, it implies kaze or lush as partner. I was kind of townreading both =\

this is bork trying to type w/ 1 hand cause babby

tl;dr I don't think mtc slipped I'll type more when he's asleep

Too many posts, too much creative license abuse.

A boy could skip them all and vote Morph on faith.

I kinda like not voting based on dumb cases.
It's a rare condition I have

then a boy must explain how it's a dumb case. Ref 582 as you do so.

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A man has given his thoughts on Kagami; tldr is probablytown. Muffin is unsorted.

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A man thinks Kagami is town. But only because she doesn't seem overly concerned as to what she posts or what others think of those post. A girl could certainly put forth more, but that's enough for a maybe town, yes?

Ah. Yes, but a man begged for his innocence to be kept secret until the timing was just so.

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A man wonders how whichever manhead that is in LL doesn't see the cognitive dissonance it would be admonishing town for not reading the opening when cabd already expressed he would expect town

not

to read the opening. Therefor, a boy can

only

be admonishing scum. But how would a boy know who the scum were from town to admonish them without being scum himself?

It must be a little manhead instead of one of the larger ones

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man would like to play a game. Which thought is complete and logical?

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod. You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

As town, cabd would have nothing to be shaming people for when what is expected in his mind happened.

Scum was more likely to read it thoroughly, but that theory was clearly flawed. You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

As scum, cabd would have everything to be shaming people for when what is not expected in his mind happened.

A man thinks Jiffy is either pissy he didn't catch it or scum defending a scum buddy. Then a man sees the Mollie head with the same thoughts as a man and a couple of others who is saying cabd is scum for the exact reasons a man is iterating. A man thinks that hydra needs to get their shit together or split.

[Jaqen Hghar]

dunno. looked a little forced, actually. didn't really see anything in your posts that would offend her that badly

I do - being tunneled on when town by someone who she has a history with.

A man thinks if that's all it takes for her to throw her hands in the air and quit, she just shouldn't play. A man knows another part of your hydra thinks just opposite of you on this situation. And since when is a man (Bork) terribly good, especially D1? A man should either offer a better target with better reasons for them to be scum or just shut it and hop on the wagon.

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And my point is that he's clearly not playing to a scum wincon if he thinks "welp my scumbuddy missed it too BETTER GO TELL EVERYONE". Ergo he is doing sonething else.

A boy didn't exactly state it that clearly, now did he?

Patience my young padawan. I'm not as pissed off about to do stupid things right now. I have a rough draft saved of the claim though.

A man wonders why town would need a 'rough draft' of a claim?? A man thinks town just need a role pm to paraphrase.

When a boy is town, he's just town. A man thinks that every scum in this game is scum with cabd. Because a man is positive cabdhydraofthemoment is scum. A boy should have gleaned that from a man's original statement.

In the bold, a boy (cabd) is admonishing his teammates to read stuff before posting and giving their scum selves over their own laziness. He would have to be sly to do so in thread, which also shows scum have no day talk. For a boy (cabd) to know scum have no day talk, he too would have to be scum. While the ones this message was to are as yet unknown, cabd slipped

in a very cabd way

. Ergo, cabd is scum. Ergo, morph the cat is scum. Ergo, he should be lynched.

explain bolded?

A man is a man and he's town. This is known. Wherein hides the motivation for a man to lie?

it looks like a bit of an overreaction to being under not-that-much pressure being tunneled by someone you could easily ignore

if their history is _that_ bad, shouldn't she even expect it?

I mean I don't know what to tell you here - you're putting forth that ffery is faking this as a strategic move and a by-product of this move is removing herself from the game?

except she is melting down in full-blown victim mode which usually reads as scummy to me especially since it is misapplied.

So does anyone ACTUALLY think pieguy somehow read all the morph cases enough to vote for me but missed bork spending like half a post talking about how ffery/morph replaced out and how it was town indicative?

~BC

Did anyone miss the matching post from the other head saying the exact opposite?

VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

tl;dr - mollie was up in her ass the whole game there too and she sat there, took it, and got lynched D1.

A man remembers that was before the turrbull spat. A boy is still scum and hasn't done anything to show otherwise.

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And so you voted me AND made a post stating you didn't remember ffery replacing out...... AFTER you asked bork to explain why ffery's replace out this game was town?

~BC

A man sees you are trying strenuously to deflect with the flimsiest, most irrelevant shit ever.

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The answer is yes. I suggest you find the time to read those aforementioned posts, because I don't intend to stop making them.

A foul mouthed boy should spend more time listening and less time verbalizing. The gods gave him two eyes and one voice for a reason.

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Not sure if that's in accordance with the rules, but I'll check.

A man has no honor who shares stuff outside of any game to sway his bias. A man also know the accuracy with which this slot hunts. So maybe a man should drop the huge ego and play.

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Feel free to share with the class at any time, bork.

A man also knows it isn't beneath some to do just that.

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A man, in truth, knows the meta of practically everyone in this game. This

is

so.

Pedit lol @ a boy who is so caught it isn't even funny and desperate to get someone out of a game. That too has already been addressed, but do your damndest.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If you're an alt, signing up for the newbie queue was cheating, so I'm reporting you to the skittles now kthnxbai.

A boy in his haste overlooks where a man /out when he noticed the rule update even before being put to question. A man chortles to see cabd up to his normal do ANYthing to get his way antics. Now he shows it to all. GJ!

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Now, a man wold like to get back to playing the

game

, yes?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A boy tries to derail his wagon by aging guessing games. And is wrong.

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A man knows another part of your hydra thinks just opposite of you on this situation.

I am aware. I also think I am right.

And since when is a man (Bork) terribly good, especially D1?

You know what?

Eat shit.

You're obviously somehow who not only knows me, but knows that I don't consider myself a very good scumhunter (Though I am good at other things) and you can get right fucked for trying to use that to make me doubt myself on this and I'm probably not going to talk to you again until I figure out who you are.

A man didn't understand why you became so upset. It was meant to say not good at scum hunting. When I did the spelling edits, I must have deleted that part. Pardon. There is plenty bork is great at.

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A man feels for Mollie. This fight occurs every time Mollie scum reads a girl, then a girl gets all emotional and paints Mollie as the bad guy when a girl could just choose to play the game and stop carrying a petty grudge.

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V/LA for a couple of days.

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morph's posting about the townslip made sense because there's no way scum would all post 3 in a row questioning cabd have an IC they all missed on his reads list. especially if he's hard townreading Lush/maybe kaze. move along, thank you.

Not really sure what you're saying in this post but I'll kindly disagree that GCBC is town.

A man hopes you and Kagami end up on the right wagon by day end.

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The ad hominem in this thread is immense.

ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

A man would agree, except that a man doesn't think thats what you meant.

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I'm still waiting for you to refute even a single one of my points against Bubba.

A man has no reason to refute what he's already said he can see where you're coming from. A man is also fully entitled to think you're full of brolove for GCBC that clouds your vision. The lol of it all is that if Bork thinks Jaqen is the same person as cabd thinks and is known town, he has a history of being very accurate D1... So if that's your belief, why isn't a hydra following the read?

Bork told me who you are.

A man is sure that Bork is just as incorrect as cabd was. A man also thought it was the point of the game, as town, to find scum and work with town to get rid of them; not spread adhom in attempt to bias against town.

We wont be caught up for a day or 2. Who's scum?

A man has caught GCBC and so far GCBC has yet to refute it while his minions adhom an Innocent Child. Katarina could be scum for calling out adhom wrongly while ad homing (among other things), bubba for inconsistencies, some think LL (a man thinks this is because of hydra dissonance), and your slot. Special attention should be paid to Varsoon if GCBC later flips scum due to an interesting bit of his meta a man has never seen anyone, oddly, pick up on.

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of course!

so you have 3 town reads and 1 mebbe but you know what I find weird?

is that we are not on that list and yet you have been treating us as town.

you also have a good amount of dissonance with your posts as in you don't seem to have a clear directive for your thought processes.

A man wonders why Kaze's dissonance is trumping cabd's dissonance by this slot. At the same time, a man can see where you're coming from.

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Innocent Child Guy:

snip. You are using a manner of speech that makes it harder to read, and therefore interpret your posts. snip

A man is typing in plain English and the number of players a man has seen understand exactly what he's saying tells a man this is just more ad hominem. A man also knows you're obfuscating stupidity if you really want people to believe this mummers farce because your reading comprehension level is well high enough to follow third person.

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Valar morghulis

; some sooner than others. A man may have but this one day to accomplish all and he doesn't plan to waste it on frivolities. That was a cabd slip as a man said. A lady is great at meta. I'm sure she can find where this has happened before, and there would be no emotional escalation to gain pause from since it has nothing to do with a boy's original other half.

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P.S.S.

I'm still waiting on mr. IC to explain the thing about cabd.
I need it to progress my read on cabd and lush life.

So with that, I'll go
VOTE: Dram

A man has already explained. Several times. If Su Casa would be kind enough to hit the ISO, she would easily find a bullet point breakdown of the slip.

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i don't think it was a "slip" - just something i don't see coming from town. i also don't think they've done anything that looks town and i dunno why people are giving town reads to that slot. i think it has something to do with the posting volume or something? i dunno. why do you think that slot is town?

as for reads, ask again later and i might format a list. or, you know, read my posts. either way works

A man has seen this from both town and scum Muffin. All times were accurate.

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The following are a list of players who have explicitly stated they do not like my case on Bubba without actually refuting anything specific;
{Bubba, Dramonic, Jaqen}

Given Jaqen is an IC and also supports a Bubba scumread I believe we can define him now as the town VI.

A Lush misreps a man. A man said you were conf bias, seeing nothing but scum in every post Bubba has made. A man was trying to tell you that if you pinpointed specific details instead of shot gunning everything your case would be taken in a better light. Nowhere did a man say your case was crap. Who's the VI now?

And what motivation does a Lush have to ad hom known town who is scum hunting his ass off?

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And a lush still has a man's identity wrong. Lol! Think of Jaqen as an anti-hydra with many heads, but only one per game.

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And a man will be nice to Su Casa, but do please try to actually read from here out.

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A man will break this down a little more thoroughly for Muffin

-cabd believes town would be more apt to skip the mod opening sequence
-cabd believes scum would be more likely to read the opening lest they miss something that could screw up
their game
-cabd says "You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves."
-as cabd believes town less likely read the opening, he would have nothing to be ashmed of for town missing
the IC
-as cabd believes scum should have read the opening, and aparently didn't, the statement of shame can only
be applied to those he's shaming. The scum.
-this leads a resonable man to ponder,

why wold a town cabd be motivated to help scum?

-since cabd took the chance to do this ITT, it further implies the lack of day talk.

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For cabd to be talking to town in his admonishment, that would require massive amounts of cognitive dissonance. A man has never, EVER, seen cabd be cogdis.

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A boy can't be ashamed of that which is expected. He can only be ashamed of that which is not. Que irrate response fro Good Cop.

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A Faceless Man wears many faces in his lifetime. A man needs a name and what would be more befitting this one? A man was trying to help another man with his scum hunting so it would be received better. Will a Lush not accept that help? An orgy of evidence never goes over well is all a man was trying to get across to you.

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Jaqen: What are your thought on Kagami, tsukasa, and dramonic

A man has said but will again

Kagami town
Su Casa scum
Dramonic is probably town, as much as that irks a man, but he is doing naught but complaining about irrelevancies

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A man will trust Lush lady to lynch the scum later if there are too many englamored by cabd/ph. Trust a man when he says that was a legit cabd slip. It doesn't happen often and it's a real shame it isn't being acted on. What bothers a man the most about it is that if he's right, that implicates other well seasoned players because they would be more apt to skip over the opening posts because they're essentially the same most every game.

A man is just as certain on Su Casa as on GCBC; Katarina has high suspicion as well.

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Don't you think the wagon would be moving a little(or a lot) more smoothly if it were on town? There's been so much resistance despite it being a vote from the beginning. I really feel this. I don't want to relent.

coughgcbccough a man has bronchitis.

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A man would be happy to talk town with Lady Lush. A man has seen that we aren't seeing things the same as one another and this would be as good a time as any to synch up. Lengthy discussions are often productive

Let's start with Kagami. Overall a girl seems to have no care what others think of her posts. She's asking the the right questions. A man is unsure how to take her nonchalant attitude to the repeated scum accusations. A man doesn't remember playing with or watching a girl play.

I'm pretty sure a man has the same view as m'lady on Mac. He's way too inactive to be scummac, as backwards as that may seem to anyone who hasn't played with him. Though to be fair, a man has never seen him very active on D1 regardless of alignment. He also seems to be trying to unite rather than divide.

A man would very much like dramatic to taste his steel, but his name hasn't been whispered and his soul would likely not sate the gods at any cause. The fact a boy wants Jaqen to speak with the

common

common tongue illustrates his desire to understand and figure things out, which gives him a de facto town status.

While discussing town is productive, a man would like to briefly talk about scum soon. Particularly his propensity to latch onto an early bus vote as scum with a town who is being ignored for later credit. A boy often camps that vote until getting off doesn't turn into a purple wedding. Which, I suppose soft clears hot pie. As a test to be sure, a man believes this will be left untouched and uncommented on because it wasn't read.

Kise is another a man isn't sure if a Lady sees the town in like a man does. At the least there seems to be some going back and forth on. Is that just so? Kise gave an early tell which a man has seen before and doesn't care what else he may say at this point. Later, maybe. Now, not so much.

A man is having a hard time ignoring 948, just so a Lady knows.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A boy would have a man believe the same standard for comprehension should be applied to a native English speaker as to someone who ESL.

[Jaqen Hghar]

And a boy would have all believe any of that is relevant...how? A man likes the cogdis between "when Cabd does he is obfuscating stupidity, is using ad hom, and is faking a lower reading comprehension?" and "you realize that you aren't just speaking in third person right?". In the first you tell a man 'ah can't understand' and the second illustrates that the understanding is crystal clear.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Lady Lush, need a man say more? Lol!

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man will tell you

soon

...get it now?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man never admitted anything antitown scum hawk. Knowing a slot is scum and pushing for its lynch is far from tunneling as well. The adhom in a boy's repeated misreps is, however.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Lady Lush? You do understand now, yes? What would you rate that mummers show?

[Jaqen Hghar]

So, will a Lady discus scumsoon with a man?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

[Jaqen Hghar]

For the record, if you have something personal against me from the past you'd best air it now, I really don't get where your hostility is coming from

A man doesn't know what you're talking about and thinks a boy has completely lost his wits. A man doesn't know of any personal anything with you and hasn't been hostile in the slightest. A boy is scum this game and needs to be lynched. A man expected these kinds of appeals to emotion (making up stuff to gain mass sympathy) to gain favor with the rest of the town. A man knows a boy will go to any length of making stuff up or worse to not die as scum on mafia. It's really sad that a boy can't just accept his fate in a game and go on with it. All men must die.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

And none of those things are alignment-indicative. Cool. I like vanilla ice cream and I think Chimchar is probably the best Fire starter out of all gens.

A man is saying all of these are characteristics of Kise's town play which are absent in his scum play. A man thinks they are relevant or he wouldn't have taken the time to dig them up.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A boy has no vision. A man is perfectly happy to help push a Varsoon lynch. Or a Su Casa lynch. More Varsoon though. Part of his scum meta is to camp through most of D1 on a bus vote with a town who's being discredited and/or ignored (as a man already pointed out). A man even predicted he wouldn't read the accusation if he were scum and just go on posting to his agenda, which happened.

A man will gladly help a boy nail his coffin shut.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Jaqen Hghar]

So he's not these things as scum? Ever?

A man has never seen it. A man has seen what read as a forced meta immolation of it that came off obviously different to a man, but never like this. A man relents that he's no expert on Kise, but does have a measure of confidence.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man can't simultaneously want to flay a Varsoon and quarter a pie. The two are incongruent.

[Jaqen Hghar]

@Su Casa (lol because same pronunciation)

So... if he's shaming scum for "not reading", how is he... scum?
Heck... Why would he even say that to his fellow scum.

How would a boy know who the scum are to know they haven't read and then to shame them for not reading without being scum himself? A man has already answered the second part but will again ~ because scum obviously have no day talk and he needed to get the rest of his team under control. A boy likes control.

@GCBC

A boy is free to keep believing waynegg to be the face this man wears, but know this. He wasn't the only person in those games who also knows and uses this site in order to have that meta. A boy's very own partner, for example knows and sees that as well for example. There are at least 5 others from those games who do as well.

Perhaps a man was hasty on Varsoon. Or Varsoon has gotten better at faking his town meta. Whatever the case

VOTE: GCBC

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man said He was either wrong about Varsoon or Varsoon had gotten better faking his town meta. A man finds it scummy how ProHawk twists a man's words. Where has a man seen him do this before?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man said He was either wrong about Varsoon or Varsoon had gotten better faking his town meta. A man finds it scummy how ProHawk twists a man's words. Where has a man seen him do this before?

Ok, lets work together. Answer in plain terms.

Is Varsoon playing to his town-meta?
Is Varsoon playing to his scum-meta?

~GC

A man has already explained what he saw that looked like Varsoon's scum. Varsoon's town however is reflected in his back to back posting liking and calling the case on himself dumb. That leavs a man on fence. A GCBC lynch will clear it up though because if a man is right and GCBC is scum, Varsoon surely is as well.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I'm on board w/ the bubba lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bubba

You have my sword, if all three of you are together on this.

A sword not unlike the one sworn to House Stark by Roose Bolton, yes?

[Jaqen Hghar]

To whomever made this, you quote entire walls in reply to bubba with more with what you intentionally want to pick off as useless just to make the wall needlessly longer. These make reading back a bitch to do because all you ever do is tunnel vision him and all his posts, while labeling them as garbage. I can't help but feel sympathy for him because even I want to tell you to shut up about it already. You're just inciting negative responses from him while building your actual case (which is what we I actually want to read)

Oh, the problem of different metas.

This isn't a game of peaches and rainbows, miss. Not everyone is nice. And if Lush truly thinks bubba is scum, why should he relent? Why should anyone feel sympathy for someone under the microscope when that's the point of this game?

And yet you would have a man relent. Interesting. That's not having completely opposing views at all.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Have you considered both of you being town because both of you suck at making reads? y/y

A girl is half right. Varsoon sucks at early reads. Cabd is competent at the task and ProHawk is pretty spot on, which should lead a girl to wonder why both in that hydra are so off. A man has already provided that answer, but it seems town want to revere the known experience and cave to all their ad hominem instead of just lynching scum.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Could everyone who is not on my wagon or GCBC's wagon please shift to voting for one of us?

I want him dead or I want to die. Either way, one of us should not come out of this alive.

Uhhh,

no.

I don't like people who rely on tunnel vision and jamming useless stuff just to shut someone up and accept their fate. Especially to

this

extent. What's worse is when people start thinking the wagon is immediately town motivated because of the caliber of rage and confidence of the read.

Hey!

How come you haven't offered reasons for thinking Bubba is scum, considering you're voting him?
How come you haven't refuted my points, if you think my case is nothing more than "tunnel vision" and "useless stuff"?
How come you haven't addressed my point against you, about the above? In favor of just sweeping it under the rug like no one will notice?

Thanks! You're next, scumbutt Mcdoublebutt!

Lady Lush. It's posts like this one which make me doubt your hydra. Majiffy uses this angle far to often as scum (hey everybody vote with me then when they do commence to slinging shit so he can later say, well I thought he was scum but these scumbutts just hopped on without reason) for me to trust in his intentions. You have a man snowed if you aren't town, but your other two heads shout scum too much.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man said He was either wrong about Varsoon or Varsoon had gotten better faking his town meta. A man finds it scummy how ProHawk twists a man's words. Where has a man seen him do this before?

Ok, lets work together. Answer in plain terms.

Is Varsoon playing to his town-meta?
Is Varsoon playing to his scum-meta?

~GC

A man has already explained what he saw that looked like Varsoon's scum. Varsoon's town however is reflected in his back to back posting liking and calling the case on himself dumb. That leavs a man on fence. A GCBC lynch will clear it up though because if a man is right and GCBC is scum, Varsoon surely is as well.

Then your scenarios are...
TownGCBC vs ScumVarsoon
TownGCBC vs TownVarsoon
ScumGCBC vs ScumVarsoon
?

Either way, seems like you can imagine more of a possibility of me being scum than town, so put your vote where your words are.

A man thinks Varsoon imagines too much. Since his slip a man has never though GCBC town.

[Jaqen Hghar]

How are you going to win us the game by being lynched D1?

I've already pinned one scum, and I've had interactions with a series of players in a way that'll better help people get reads post-Varsoon.

Ahem. A man pinned him. That honor would have been Lady Lush's if not for her other two heads biting her neck.

[Jaqen Hghar]

That's because Kaze is scum.
Are you not paying attention?

A man is paying as much attention as his wages afford. A man needs know, however, are you paying attention. You agree with a man that Kaze's is exhibiting scum, yet you don't take a moment to ponder why Kaze wants a man to relent on GCBC but doesn't want a 3 headed hydra to relent on a shrimp farmer...

A man thinks lynching GCBC will hit scum. It will also yield a load of information regardless of how he flips with as many strings are connected to him. Lynch him and the connections to the keystone can be properly deciphered. Keep him and keep the center of all things WIFOM.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is calling the mod confirmed IC scum? Is a man reading that right? Because that's how it sounds.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I'M BACK
I'M READY TO KICK ASS
LET'S GO

Vote GCBC

[Jaqen Hghar]

Nue blast explod
VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc

fake

You have exactly ten pages to be obvtown before bad things happen.

do you know this person?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

Mental note for later about this being an exact play I did on day one as scum in AMOL to lynch milkshake.

? do you detect potential foul play here?

sees some reads (Cabd's pressure and Kaze's meta)

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

was this a serious vote?

follow up on Kaze. this is like good early thinking. I could totally see town-Dan's first major priority being to sort Kaze, being unsure bc of the meta and this reflects that

So I didn't get much out of reading the last pages.

But I generally have vague feelings like ~identical to everything Muffin posts. Except I don't read Pie or anyone else as scum.

lack of scumreads indicates feeling lost which I tend to empathize with

this game has too much of the following

Spam
5 stacks of quote pyramids
point quote point quote point ad infinitum
meta

please no more

I can also empathize with this

A man is like whoa huge jumps in post number for having been supposedly absent. A man likes how up to dat a pie is as well :/

[Jaqen Hghar]

bubba those aren't crumbs

they look like something you have pulled out of your butt

A man agrees. A man could go through Majiffy's posts and bold random letters to show where he crumbed "I smoke cock", forward or backward. Lol!

That said, a man doesn't think scum would go and pull something that asinine out of their back pocket as a defense. Perhaps a man is about to be troubled even deeper over the educational system. A man hopes not but damn man. Damn.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Then a man is eager to read everyone's surprised reactions when a boy eventually flips scum.

Maybe a man can put it in a context that's easier to follow. A man will even break character this one time so it is plain and blunt. Completely devoid of humor.

you and four of your closest friends plan to rob a bank

in your plan you cover all the surveillance cameras outside the bank

you don't bother discussing the ones inside the bank because, duh, they're everywhere inside covering every angle possible

when you go in, the rest of your team notices nobody else is wearing masks, so they take theirs off to "blend in" while you, having a lick of common sense, keep your mask on your freaking head

who are you going to be ashamed of? the patrons you freaking KNEW weren't going to be hiding their identities? nah, hell fuck nah brah! you're going to be ashamed of your team of bank robbers. who missed the freaking obvious. because they're freaking idiots. and you're going to know who they are so you CAN be ashamed of them because ~ da-duh-daahhh! ~ you're freaking one of them!

Jesus. this isn't brain science. this isn't even meta (though when cabd messes up like this, it has a tendency to implicate his whole team. that part is meta). this is a blatant fuck up. in this thread. about this game. and all the town are ignoring it because he and his fellow bank robber ad homed the shit out of the catch.

the most frustrating part is that a lot of the town who are dismissing this case because of the adhom it drew are telling other players off for working to discredit others instead of their cases. but somehow it's perfectly fine to discredit me while ignoring the case itself COMPLETELY. that's hypocracy.

Now. No more character breaks.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Mollie, pie thinks I'm scum because "whatever the IC said"...

Case in point. Perfectly fine to adhom a man and ignore the CASE, yet it's taboo for the rest. A boy needs to be held to the same standard as everyone else in the game.

[Jaqen Hghar]

He and wayne see it fit to tunnel me the rest of the day but whatever.

A man finds even more adhom in the same post. A boy thinks that wrongly calling a man Wayne that he can shrug off a case. A boy is arrogant to think that's all it takes to shrug a case off. Either that or the boy takes the rest of the town for fools.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A Youkai finds even more posts to count votes from.

<3

[Jaqen Hghar]

As far as I'm concerned, this is the equivalent of a PGO claim, and we're treating it as such. If he lives that long, lynch the day before expected LYLO.

~BC

A man thinks the day before that would be better, since 2 dead at that point would just end the game.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I don't think it's fake =\

A man thinks its fake and volunteers to hammer.

[Jaqen Hghar]

18.Jaqen Hghar - He's gonna spend the entire game tunneling me but whatever, IC

A man thinks "not letting a boy off the hook" is a better phraseology. A man has been far from tunneling and is confident in 2 other scum reads (very confident in one other) and even said he would switch over if this slot won't swing. Majiffy---->bubba, that's tunneling.

[Jaqen Hghar]

The only skepticism I have for the claim is that it's an incredibly swingy role. It's very easy to imagine that he could have set up a strong fake-claim that would draw the nightkill, and the setup reviewers would have to have been wary about it.

Uh huh. Well you should vote it or give a man room to work. Anyone have a bomb suit to lend a man?

[Jaqen Hghar]

some room to obvtown

Again, only death pays for life.

[Jaqen Hghar]

K. nati and giffy co-designed this setup, and I'm pretty knowledgeable about both their mod metas. I'm expecting "minor role madness" and lots of red herrings here. Making setup assumptions is pretty dangerous because they're both a bit from the oddball setup design school.

A boy is saying it comes from the dark side of the moon, written in a greenhouse filled with the vapors of Venus. Normal, in other words.

[Jaqen Hghar]

some room to obvtown

Again, only death pays for life.

Well you're going to be waiting for a long while. Both of us will, I think. I sure don't see either of us getting nightkilled any time soon.

~BC as was most of the other above GCBC posts.

That's not what a man said. A man needs be able to just whisper and weasel soup.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is hungry. Is it soup or Taco Bell?

[Jaqen Hghar]

No, Cadb is correct. Nati is very fond of oddball setups, and balances by fun rather than any objective sense of how often alignments should win. I didn't realize he co-designed this.

p-edit: FG balances strictly...

So, a girl must knows Nati a bit then. What kind of oddball scum roles would she speculate in a Nati game? Town?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man wonders why Kat must needs know anything but what the mod provided.

[Jaqen Hghar]

YUKARI STOP MESSING WITH YUYUKO.

[Jaqen Hghar]

That's what she said

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man suddenly gets feels like he needs a long blistering my hot shower...

No, I'm liking Kagami.

Why do you think Kagami is town?

Because she hasn't done anything that would give people a scum read on her (well, none than I can find), and all this suspicion she's getting is helping me to get reads on other people. Maybe I wouldn't quite vote Rememberance, but at least she gave some decent reasoning. For now, I don't see anything scummy about her.

And no, before someone says it, I know someone will, I'm not buddying her. Kagami was one of the few things I found in the three hours I had that I thought really needed some fixing.
---

@Kazekirimaru I was going through your ISO and I found, as one of your reasons for seeing Kagami leaning towards scum, was that it took so long for her to "start up". You've looked town to me so far, but I'm curious as to why that would influence your read in the slightest bit. Especially with the beginning-of-the-game craziness.
---
I really don't like one (or two?) of the people posting with Lush Life, but it's probably coming from town. In my experience, if a person

really

gets on your nerves

that

badly, they're probably town. It's unlikely someone would post like that as scum.
---

also, tsukasa could be scum. i briefly skimmed through that giant wall a few pages back and didn't like anything i saw

What, exactly, did you not like?
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i really dislike the pbpa bubba did in #750. there's so little analysis there; it reads like hollow commentary

I don't know about that- it was annoying to read, but it certainly moved things along. Besides, there wasn't much to comment on at the time. You have to make use of what you have.
---

[quote="tsukasa"
because there's no actual content there. like none, whatsoever. it's a huge wall designed to look like you're doing something when you're not doing anything at all, really. and all the questions you were asking were meaningless. plus the tone of all your commentary feels really off to me

I was thinking similarly. It seemed rather innocent at first, but now she's kind of pushing the whole "Why do you hate me/Why did you forget me/Don't hate me" thing. As if it's somehow an excuse. Though, I wouldn't say there's no content at all. It could be better, yes, but she has been doing a little here and there.
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@Mod: I don't mind posting gimmicks. I think it's a part of playing the game.

@Kaze: Or we could be scum together, fufufu. Honestly, if you're scum and you work with me, it'll expose you, so I could see your hesitance to not do so.
You think Bubba is scum? So do I. So does the wagon forming on him. Let's put votes there and let a better mouthpiece (looking at you, LushLife) do the talking.

VOTE: Bubba

Nope nope nope nope nope. I want reasons. This all very much looks like buddying and trying to get some good light. Nope nope nope. I agree with you on the wagon looking scum, though.
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VOTE: Pieguyn

I wish you people would give some reasons before you voted.

[Jaqen Hghar]

And rereading Kaze lets a man. Know he would probably be better off with no skin at all

[Jaqen Hghar]

Spoiler:

VOTE: morph

I also remember someone quoting it with earlier in the post saying Flavor has no aspect. So I had no clue as well.

also this argument would be utterly retarded if I was town reading you

So mollie, do you have any idea how much of a total bitch you are to ffery sometimes? She's townreading you but for fuck's sake girl; your antagonistic snipes at her in game after game are creating a toxic wasteland. Perhaps you think it's the best way for you to read her, but all you're achieving is pissing her off and ensuring I'm playing alone the next few IRL days.

I'm confused as to the source of this tension.

Me too bro. Some shit from their mutual back history that they don't talk about. It happens pretty much every game ffery and mollie are in together. Either way though, I'm attached to ffery so I get to deal with it.

Didn't understand the tension as well until Cabd brought up the second part. It's all assumption on what was going on in their exchange then. But the lack of fftery after that was on you.

You do this thing where you disregard everything a person says and borderline insult/provoke them for not having the same POV or information that you think you have and quite frankly it's annoying. Your general reaction to those that disagree with you is "k. whatevs ur scum"

Not really a fan of attempting to interact with you again. But I have to.

A man lols! A girl quotes three heads and admonishes Lady Lush for all!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Kaze, this all makes a man picture a boat on a tide drifting wherever the current steers it, the captain snoozing in a hammock. You're far too agreeable and easy to get along with to be town. You'll be referred to as Littlefinger here out.

Also, progress on re-read stalled due to busy day at work.
thoughts on where i am at though can be summarized as "i doubt this is any sort of slip."

My town read on you has atrophied as of late. I need you to re-inspire me.

I'm not.

Then what are you implying by stating that scum should be coached into a better crumb?

I don't understand this at all. A bomb is incredibly powerful, and you were in no immediate danger of a lynch; why would you claim that? Even if you were in danger, why would you crumb and claim bomb rather than something that would draw the nightkill?

Ding ding ding.

You sure can bus! ;D

? My role PM specifically says 1 shot bomb. Are you saying you were given bomb? I'm confused.

Why would your role need to specify how many shots you have? As a bomb, you have one shot no matter how you slice it. You die - you explode. One shot. Claim makes no sense.

Anyway, this claim is obviously fake. You say your role pm is "1-shot Bomb," but there's no interpretation of the role bomb that can be anything more than one shot. So are you fakeclaiming town or really bad scum?

Yeah that.

I choose when to arm myself.

Hm.

10.Mac - watching you guys get #rekt by mac-scum in Tales of the Abyss was fun, but this isn't it

16.UFO - You're brand new to the site and draw scum in a huge 21 player game. What do you do when a loud player gives you towncred super early? You ride that shit as long as you can without posting so you don't fuck it up. I ought to start calling this the Camoclone effect.

These two reads are the only ones I don't understand. Help me out?

Fake-claiming something else would have been so much better though... or even nothing at all

I've seen more fake bomb claims than real ones. But, still. One could argue he needed something interesting to evoke this exact question. But, eh. That could be confirmation bias on my part.

You're going to need a wagon for that.

More challenging language. And towards the IC? You know he's town and you're challenging him to spark up the wagon. If you're town, that's -2 townies right there if he succeeds. What are you hoping to accomplish?

I ain't got a bomb suit, but i got a rope. If it starts dat beeping faster, tell me an' i'll pull ya out.

I'd appreciate content, instead.

K. nati and giffy co-designed this setup, and I'm pretty knowledgeable about both their mod metas. I'm expecting "minor role madness" and lots of red herrings here. Making setup assumptions is pretty dangerous because they're both a bit from the oddball setup design school.

Whooooooo Cabd's putting on the modgaming hat.

What constitutes "Minor role madness", by the way?

A man suggests whichever requires less pants.

MAKE PERTINENT WORDS KTHX I WANT YOU TO REMIND ME WHY YOURE TOWN

---

So, yeah.

I don't think I'll unvote just yet.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Mollie

Do you think a man is right in thinking Kaze is going with the current and seems to be far too concerned with how people perceive him this game (ie too easy to get along with)?

[Jaqen Hghar]

So, a man and a lady are still on the same page then?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man neither, but such things as the entire motivation of an ISO rarely bode well in a man's experience

[Jaqen Hghar]

So, a man and a lady are still on the same page then?

I think we have been all game but I am only 1/3 of this hydra.

It's still enough assurance that a man doesn't think himself going insane

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man will give you a straight answer bubba, since the scumz are fucking with you and using a horrid example to claim Plurality on. A boy is trying to implicate Kaze based off the "we" in his post which by the definition of the Plurality Tell means that he is more than just himself, e.g. on team scum with partners (thus "we"). Kaze may well be scum, but that has to be the weakest example of the Plurality Tell a man has ever seen a bad boy put forward.

The definition he gave you is for majority lynch.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man thinks a boy should just play hangman and await his turn after that

[Jaqen Hghar]

That awkward moment when I think all 3 of those slots are town.

Maybe.

VOTE: Messiah Complex

I think that pie posting has been better lately and no longer want to lynch him. Bubba behavior around claim is very loud and genuinely angry. I'm not sure on GCBC being town, but I'm okay with their day 1 content. Meanwhile, I believe that Messiah Complex's catch up felt like it was something they were being forced to do (even two heads catching up half way felt like they were splitting the load of producing content instead of splitting up the load on developing reads), and based on one of Lush's heads talking about them (not sure which one, but it wasn't the one who is pushing bubba) I think that the discomfort I feel from that slot is not what they would be feeling as town.

I think I am in love.

its me mollie. yes messiah is scum. I have been screaming from the rafters that they are scum. I have a hydra with the desperado half and we are actually friends IRL. I know him I know how his brain works he is scum. I think have former fish's about pinned down too and I am scum reading both heads.

I have tried talking to my other heads and borky is getting drowned out by us overall I think and majiffy isn't listening to me wrt any reads even tho I have a better track record for d1 than he does. bubba's claim is terrible but he has made a couple of posts that weren't too bad and I would rather lynch scumessiah now cos I don't trust every1 to do it when I am not not around! they will put this rico suave eau de scum cologne on and the next thing you they will be universally townread.

what did you think about varsoon's "I am against claims!" spiel when he claimed 1 shot redirector for no reason! I found it funny and kind of funny but varsoon often looks scummy so unsure on him.

VOTE: messiah

trust me they want to be lynched lets ease their pain...

gcbc I will help you with varsoon if we are alive tomorrow will you guyz plz trust me on this?

mac you know you wanna

jaqen pretty plz with sugar on top

muffin what say you

kaze you are not going to get pie lynched today I can feel it plz lynch obvscum who is actively lurking the game out.

bubba you will get town points for helping me!!!1!

WAIT! A lady can vote her heart on Messiah, but had to get off GCBC and not on Kaze because

heads

. A man wishes he were wearing waders now as he thinks he's about waist deep in bullshit.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Will the Bastard of Lush kindly remove his nailless finger from a man's arse? A man feels it now. A man thinks he knows why there are too many scum in this game. A decent portion of scum are playing the strategy of too obvious to be scum ~ therefor not scum because site meta dictates players get free passes for thus. An excellent strategy as that make all who see things differently look scummy. A man doesn't think this is MB either the claims of thinking thus are just another facet to the strategy to cover for their "thoughts" of too many scum.

A man now reads these ones as scum

GCBC
Varsoon
Kaze
Lush
Katarina

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man just explained what he thinks the team scum strategy is. A man neither thinks you slipped on purpose if he's right about that nor has he seen a boy following along with that strategy. A man sees Varsoon connected to both GCBC and the others for the too scummy and his scum meta of sitting a bus for a while with someone not being listened to. A man sees Kaze and Lush playing the too obvious route. A man sees a Kat oddly staying well clear of the other 4.

A man concedes that a boy's first post of this game is likely why he believes all revolves around himself

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man sees no poison from his viewpoint on GCBC and could care less about Lady Lush's and morph's personal nyahnyah. A man pegged a boy (lol) and is sticking to his guns on that point. What a boy does there after becomes irrelevant because an admission of guilt, by slip, is a true admission of guilt and there's no going back on that.

Pedit The Bastard of Lush cuts up in these games all the time and will find it funny. Lord Lush won't if he thinks it's directed at him, which it isn't.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man will also concede he's likely wrong on one or two, but lynching the list will pay dividends in the end.

Valar moghulis

! We win together, even as shades.

[Jaqen Hghar]

How would the scum team develop a strategy unless they had daytalk?

These ones a man has named play together often enough to play off the others ques.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man just explained what he thinks the team scum strategy is. A man neither thinks you slipped on purpose if he's right about that nor has he seen a boy following along with that strategy. A man sees Varsoon connected to both GCBC and the others for the too scummy and his scum meta of sitting a bus for a while with someone not being listened to. A man sees Kaze and Lush playing the too obvious route. A man sees a Kat oddly staying well clear of the other 4.

A man concedes that a boy's first post of this game is likely why he believes all revolves around himself

I am so glad you beat me to the "every1 else is scum but us" paranoia that I so often feel.

calm down, have some chillpillz and let scum sort us out cos if I am right about messiah and where that might lead to then well...we will be sorted.

A man thinks this is fair enough and will play along

VOTE: Messiah

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man will also concede he's likely wrong on one or two, but lynching the list will pay dividends in the end.

Valar moghulis

! We win together, even as shades.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man neither thinks you slipped on purpose if he's right about that nor has he seen a boy following along with that strategy.

A man just got through saying he sees a boy as a stand alone complex. The only player on a man's list tied to a boy is Varsoon, and that's because of Varsoon.

[Jaqen Hghar]

That would make a man's side too cold

[Jaqen Hghar]

Too scummy to be scum, but being scum all the same. A man said Kat is distancing from the other 4 on the list. A boy is still a stand alone.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Will the Bastard of Lush kindly remove his nailless finger from a man's arse? A man feels it now. A man thinks he knows why there are too many scum in this game. A decent portion of scum are playing the strategy of too obvious to be scum ~ therefor not scum because site meta dictates players get free passes for thus. An excellent strategy as that make all who see things differently look scummy. A man doesn't think this is MB either the claims of thinking thus are just another facet to the strategy to cover for their "thoughts" of too many scum.

A man now reads these ones as scum

GCBC
Varsoon
Kaze
Lush
Katarina

This is def wrong on varsoon, he's town and I'm quite sure of it.
I still think lush is town. The "we have to lynch one of these three wagons bit" falls deep into the uncanny valley of scumminess.

Trying to figure out why messiah is scum now.

Quickly now, would a girl's experiential meta tell her this is town or scum Varsoon?

AJ THE EPIC : 25 POSTS TOTAL : TOWN.

WHY:

His plays are consistent and have good trajectory. His reads are very genuine and he’s town-oriented about getting wagons pushed, rather than opportunistic. He dispels bullshit and tries to cut through the fluff of the game with logic and rhetorical appeals. Overall, he’s helpful, justifies his votes/thoughts, and both MS and I agree on this read, so it’s probably on the money.

Spoiler:

33 : Vote on NS is good here, because NS is yet to be confirmed IC and the content from NS so far hasn't been very helpful. I also pressured NS early and had NS not confirmed IC, I'd probably still be doing so. Still, this vote could use a bit of articulation and poise, rather than just jumping in on an NS wagon (which was an easy one to be on at the time). I've come to see this as early pressure, though.

247 : Huge leap in posts here, which shows me AJ doesn't always have this game open. I like that he tries to cut through the perceived artifice of reaction tests so far. He actually articulates his scum-reads here which makes me feel much better about the slot, and his points are well-founded in logic and show that he's actually reading the game. Still unsure if he's active-lurking and took this moment to analyze easier wagons and press them forward, but standing in opposition to the TD wagon is interesting and rings true as town in my books.

279 : Vote analysis to support his reads is solid. The fact he actually writes about it is good, since some of his analysis seems to contradict his earlier posturing of TD feeling genuine.

509 : Explains his Nick vote and does what can be interpreted as a little chainsaw/buddying, but I'm seeing it as planting his feet and dispelling the no-where-moving TD wagon. Right here, it feels that AJ wants to push the Nick wagon harder, and is reiterating his case while pulling attention from wagons he perceives as dead.

513 : Reigns in why he thinks the TD wagon is bad. There's a few jumps in logic from here to there and his reasons for being pro-TD are largely meta-influenced, which I really don't care for. Seems a bit defensive, but I think it's an important articulation to make, given that he's been a bit everywhere earlier on his TD reads.

872 : The fact that he calls us out on our questions bugs us a little, especially given the reasons why we asked them. I felt like I was being shot down here, but what's really important to notice is the attack on us asking about dissonance while we've got a lot of it. Again, this reflects that AJ is keeping up with the game, but also introduces that he won't stand for hypocrisy, which is interesting. All in all, it rings as a pretty weak assault on me, but does address issues that AJ personally has problems with.

878 : Probably AJ's best post. He provides a solid quote-by-quote case and even articulates why he believes things rather than just spouting the dreaded IIoA. What I like about this is that it represents two things from AJ--Solid reasons for swapping his vote and compassion for who he sees as fellow town. He spoilers specifically for Venmar's sake, but it's also in-line with how he feels about the game being bogged down (see his 872 and the much earlier spoiler post addressed to B&B).

883 : Shoots down bad (anti-town) ideas on the spot, rather than engaging in discussion of them.

941 : Interesting commentary on reflective gameplay. The attention to the hypocrisy in the Mala play is consistent with his points against us that I mentioned earlier in this ISO, which makes me believe that this is town AJ holding onto his ideals for scum-hunting rather than Scum-AJ pushing a mislynch.

992 : This is the sort of thing I like to see from people I'm reading as town, it's an approach that I call 'wagon brokering'. AJ wants to support only wagons he believes in, and is willing to come to a meeting point with other active players on that. It rings of town being town-minded while still pursuing their own reads, rather than scum who'll jump on and support wagons they haven't shown they believe in previously.

1203 : It's worth noting that AJ is a bit more conversational with who he's reading as town. He's more assault-based on people he's reading as scum. Here, you can see how this rhetorical approach has shifted with my own slot. Furthermore, he supports his Mala wagon and comes back to it with more evidence, which is pretty town to me. He wants to convince his town reads of his scum reads. That's town to me. Scum tend to put out their 'scum reads' and hope people jump on them regardless of PoV on alignment OR scum just parrot popular wagons. This approach by AJ allows him to consolidate who he thinks is town and scum, and to catch people who would jump on his Mala wagon/logic and use it towards a lynch.

1247 : Interesting appeal to Pathos when discussing wagon-analysis. Gotta agree, though. Scum-slips are null.

1251 : Echoes his thoughts in 883 and provides good trajectory/consistency here.

1328 : Is engaged in the perceived artifice of Mala's response, which is really more of a point-of-view thing than anything else. Some people are just shitty at getting their frustration into words and others are so masterful at it that they can fake it. Talking about perceived emotion is pretty null. This jumps in the face of AJ's earlier desires for mafia to be a cold, calculating game rather than an emotional one, since it's such an approach that scum can exploit. The best thing about this post is that AJ realizes the Mala wagon is going nowhere, but he holds his scum read and shifts gears, which is evident in his later Rach vote. This, again, is consistent with earlier play, when he dispelled the TD wagon--or, at least, called it dead. AJ is the kind of player who wants town to agree on something, rather than polarizing them by pushing his wagons despite appeal and tunneling hard. While that -could- be interpreted as scummy, it certainly isn't here, because AJ holds onto his scum reads rather than outright discarding them and he only really seems to broker wagons with his town reads, rather than trying to get anyone and everyone to jump on them (I'm looking at you, Trust Fund, you shitlord).

ANDRIUS: 31 POSTS TOTAL : SCUM
WHY :

Lots of noise, fluff, and a false sense of engagement with the game. Every ‘catchup’ wall is nonsensical, ridiculous, and doesn’t provide town with new info. Andrius just agrees with other players, or doesn’t, and any sentences longer than one or two words of the former are him hyperbolizing and strawmanning the shit out of whoever he doesn’t like. MS points out that this is different from his play in Xenoblade and that he starts contributing a bit too late in the game, but also has him as null-scum, where I’m reading him as hard scum. He just wants his scum-picks lynched and doesn’t care who does it, and makes a lot of noise about it without actually engaging town at all. Furthemore, he’s a real asshole towards our conf-town and claimed PGO and has pretty much suffocated NS/established he doesn’t care about what NS has to say.

Spoiler:

635 : Second post but offers nothing up for town other than anger-tell? Okay.

648 : Fluffy image posting that isn't even behind spoiler tags. C'mon, Andy.

650 : An RVS post 650 pages deep? Please. Justification for the Nick vote is lacking and horrid, but then it turns out to just be distraction and noise as he turns to his SoS points. More use of images, which is distracting here and unspoilered. Makes a lot of reads based on posts without actually explaining -why-. He unvotes and votes people left and right despite it being a catchup post, gives no real substantive evidence behind his reads other than quoting a line and agreeing/disagreeing with it, and his wall is just generally hard to get through. The step-by-step following of his re-read allows for him to have a false sense of consistency/trajectory if he wants, and to manufacture this idea that he's progressively changing reads on people when there's no evidence if he is or isn't. Ultimately, a very anti-town post that's disorienting and could easily hide him as scum.

652 : No excuse for his earlier post. I wish he'd follow the format I'm using. Sigh. Seems to be lighthearted/joking when putting RACH in all caps, twice and how he says WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU? as one of his read tiers.

657 : More noise, hard to decipher back and forth here, ultimately breaks down to "B&B has hydra dissonance and doesn’t get along with Ffery, I want my scum-reads voted on, do my work for me".

665 : Gets really loud and annoyed with conf-town. This is distracting to the max, and also really pushes down our conf-town, which is suffocating in a way that rubs me wrong all over the place.

666 : Engages in discussion of replacing out, which is secondary to the core of the game.

694 : Noise and fluff of the highest degree. We get your point, Andy. You don't need to have a 2-page-scroll post with funny images to make it. Also, he fucking assaults a player and calls them garbage.

1044 : Epitomizes his play here. He has reads that aren't articulated, and when he disagrees with people he just posits a 'stahp' rather than actually bringing in a counter-argument. He uses humorous images and hyperbole to make weak points and ultimately doesn't contribute anything substantive to town. Calls people weak, discredits players left and right, proposes himself as a part of a townbloc (I think that's what he's doing with the bat symbol brotherhood thing?). He even capstones it with another TLDR readslist on the fly, which isn't helpful for town in the least, since none of his reads are articulated outside of "THIS IS BAD" or "I AGREE".

1057 : More discrediting, avoiding blame for issues of his posts being indecipherable/confusing, and he suffocates town voices, esp when he writes "and i give zero fucks as to what you think at this point [...] now stop talking"

1060 : COOL DONT SPOILER THIS OR ANYTHING JUST FUCKING FLUFF THE THREAD INTO INCOMPREHENSIBLE BULLSHIT, THAT'S FINE SPOILERS ARE FOR NERDS AND FAST CARS ANYWAY

BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (HYDRA OF MOLLIE AND MAJIFFY) : 221 POSTS TOTAL : TOWN
WHY:

B&B has a very conversational and minimalistic approach to singular posts that make it a bit more difficult to read the Hydra and do a Post-by-Post like this. Despite that, B&B’s had very strong, well-backed reads throughout the thread, is quick to call out and dispel faulty logic, and is generally helpful and outspoken about their stances on other players. MS and I agree on this read, and MS is quite excited about it because B&B town had sniped 2, one of the scum that he had mistaken for in Xenoblade.

Spoiler:

69 : First substantive post from the Hydra. I didn't like the very RVS-esque earlier posts, since they didn't really add anything to the game, but this one is solid. It makes a few decent points (gamblers fallacy, taking the mantle of reading rach, etc) but is also a bit distanced in the way that Andrius' walls are. However, this is a useful post that shows some level of logical and personal engagement with the game, at an early stage.

84 : Fluffy, but fills the bill of wanting someone to talk to. Still, I don't like this kinda shit. Coupling some fluff at the end of a substantive post, sure, but having posts solely to talk about things not related to the game? Distracting.

105 : Poorly elaborated vote on TD. At this point, I'm reading B&B as scum, because of the fluffy content (images, videos, outside discussion) without much cutting to the core of the game, which is what I'm used to from this hydra.

127 : Is a good engagement and ripping apart of TD's 'logic'. It's a nice attack on a scum-read and rings pretty genuinely to me.

233 : At this point, I feel that B&B was just pushing TD's wagon to have an early wagon to analyze. I was scratching my head over it, but given how non-committal/directly confrontational B&B was with TD, it makes sense and doesn't feel like scum pulling back on a failed wagon, but instead like a town strategy to push a shit wagon and then dispel it for wagon analysis.

275 : The first B&B post that I really like. It's hard to do a PBP sort of ISO on this hydra, but this post has some good content. B&B pushes players, especially scum-specs, with questions that aren't leading so much as requiring elaboration for poor play. In retrospect, did I ever answer this?

287, 298 : Solid line of questioning, again.

311 : Uses quotes (which were earlier shown to be important to the Hydra) to explain distrust/dislike of a player's slot.

313 : Couples questioning with the quote thing I just mentioned. Very reasonable play that's in-line with the ethos that B&B's been playing by all game.

319 : Critical engagement and good questioning coupled with a bit of fun prodding and useful analogy for B&B's PoV.

326 : Reads to me as frustrated town-B&B explaining to someone why a tactic doesn't work as either alignment.

340 : A really good elaboration of 326. The thing I like about this is that it uses bold to direct and drive the questioning/argument and then critically engages Trust Fund in a way that justifies B&B's points earlier.

455 : Gives a pretty genuine Rach read that speaks towards Rach's meta bit but also uses context from this game. The fact this isn't out of the blue, but as an elaboration of earlier ideas is really strong for me.

465 : Justifies some of the points I'm going to make against B&B in my overall WHY section.

768 : Glad to still have Mollie with us (and hopefully I can get her in a skype game sometime, 'cus dat voice~). Clears up some confusion over earlier butting of heads and drives forward B&B's position on a lot of players in a way that actually explains and articulates why. This is good because it echoes thoughts throughout the game, addresses town concerns, and makes B&B's positioning more coherent.

895 : Engagement with Nick's list speaks a lot towards the slot's own trajectory and how they engage in the game. It's clear that B&B is interested in conversing over reads, and isn't afraid to disagree on points. This is the post that really paints B&B as town for me, because it shuts down completely the reads that B&B personally doesn't agree with (from interactions evidenced earlier in the game) and it questions and explores the more mutual reads in a way to broker wagons.

1196 : This is the sort of substantive post I like from B&B's slot. It posits a position, elaborates on it, and provides articulated rationale behind why they'd vote for certain players.

BORKJERFKIN : 34 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

He somehow always knows when people are replacing in despite them not posting yet, he always writes in an annoying non-default color, and he’s really doing a lot that I think could get him banned. His setup speculation at the windup of the thread is disturbing to say the least, and I swear he’s been editing his posts, which is –definitely- against site rules. It’s a bit hypocritical, given that he’s being really hard on other players for comparably minor infractions. The other big thing is that he doesn’t post any damn content, just constantly puts up vote-counts, as if he’s somehow doing town work by keeping us up to date. Ultimately, this low content while calling out other players despite appealing as town and breaking the rules just rings really scummy to me. MS and I both can’t comprehend why no one has voted him so far.

Spoiler:

Hehehe, I'm such a shitlord. Sorry, had to make a part of this long thing a bit fun to read. Honestly, I <3 you, Bork. Thanks for being such an awesome mod, keeping up with vote-counts, and writing flavor that's really innovative and representative of the source material.

MS edit: lol that gave me a laugh

BROSEIDON : 28 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-TOWN
WHY:

BRO critically engages with the game on a couple of levels, and he uses meta as a means of gauging his peers here. That said, he’s aware of how others might try to manipulate that—especially given the meta from Xenoblade. He’s consistent in his reads, isn’t scared to push a case he personally has evidence for/believes in, and he’s done a lot of his own work. Still, MS feels like there’s too little content to put him in the Town bucket yet, and I agree. There isn’t much active engagement, as most of the worthwhile posts I’ve seen from BRO are in the format of catchups. Plus, it doesn’t help that I’m a bit paranoid about his play. It’ll be easier to determine his alignment when he’s able to be more active and in direct conversation with the game, but he’s been consistent and pretty town so far.

Spoiler:

59 : Strong introduction that posits his own feelings on the PGO circumstances. This level of engagement is nice and serves a good juxtaposition of other players who came into the game late without much substance to put onto the table. He also wants to see more from our slot, which speaks towards a bit of a meta approach I figure BRO is working with. He read me as scum right away in C&H Mafia and I get the suspicion he's read my scum-game in Open 512, but he was also in Xenoblade with me, so I figure he wants a lot of content on my slot since he's had a pretty extensive history of reading me. This also informs how I feel I can engage in his reads, and makes me a bit paranoid that scum-BRO would try to use meta-'evidence' to push a mislynch on me/buddy me to winning (an echo of what happened in Xenoblade between me and GiF).

267 : First substantive, highly-engaged post from BRO. He posits skepticism and his townier reads, which give a solid foundation for some later trajectory-analysis that can be done. He's pretty in the open about how he feels about players, which speaks a good deal towards him being town. The concerns he voices for activity ring true with me, and, if anything, 267 is one of the most genuine posts in this game.

292 : Interesting engagement with Venmar that really gives him a bit to think about and respond to. This echoes how BRO has been engaging with the TD wagon so far, and those earlier posts (271-285) speak a lot towards BRO's foundation of expectations from playing with people in the past.

584 : MS and I are a little iffy about BRO's reasons for reading us as town. I feel like he's buddying the Varsoon head and really only engaging with it, which makes sense, since the reasons for why he has a town read on us are ones that appeal to the meta of the Varsoon head. On one hand, it feels like he could be buddying me, but on the other, it makes a lot of sense coming from the way BRO speaks towards and shapes his play around meta. I am being way more pragmatic and cogent in this game, and that's largely because of how I've grown as a player on this site. I already spoke towards making use of this approach earlier when I was being drilled for helping B&B out (or at least trying to).
MS edit: what this means to say that me and Varsoon have different theories on why BRO reads us as town @first sentence
Also strong plat my friend is a diamond

588 : Good wagon brokering, although I feel like he needs to articulate his cases a bit more here. Just being fine with Mac, Rach, or Mala feels a bit opportunistic, given the flow of the game.

605 : The switch to SoS and the subsequent 606 is what makes BRO seem way more town for us. He splits away from a wagon that could be considered opportunistic/too easy and pushes one of his own, providing evidence that makes a lot of cognitive sense given the approaches BRO has made use of so far in the game. It shows really strong sense of finding scum on one's own, rather than parroting other players, and actually provides rationale for the logic there, rather than having just accusations.

758 : Speaks to a lot of the criticisms he's received so far while breaking down why those criticisms are unfounded/wrong. Again, the switch to the Mastin case echoes his SoS switch in many ways and makes use of the same attention to rhetoric and bolding phrases and words that ping scum for him.

1127 : Another catchup, which seems to be how BRO is engaging in this game. It's an approach that allows scum some affordances of false use of Kairos in order to seem more town (see, Andrius), but BRO doesn't manipulate it in that way. What's important here is that he stands by his earlier mastin read, keeps his vote where it is, and is confident enough to have it stay there later when he V/LA's. If anything, this shows that BRO is dedicated to this read being scum, but also is willing to engage in discussion of -why- he thinks so, rather than blindly tunneling.

DESPERADO: 46 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-SCUM
WHY:

This is actually one of the reads that I’m deferring to Metal Sonic. I see his posts as pretty null and tunnel-oriented while still sort-of engaging with what other players have to say, but Metal feels like the case made against us is a strong push for a mislynch without information and that the small number of posts/content ratio is what’s making him harder to read outright. As a note, he has 46 posts here, but most are double-posts and sometimes triple-posts. Get that fixed, Desperado.

Spoiler:

701 : Late entry to the game, but only does ISO work on a handful of people. The vote on Rach isn't very articulated, and previous anti-Rach people have already made these points in much more detail, I feel.

707 : Coherent and skeptical positioning, explains also why he's so late to the party.

1004 : Here's where I have a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. Desperado's been pushing this Rach wagon like no one's business with very little substantive work done other than saying she's Rach and she's scum. The thing that busts my balls, though, is when he says Rach's flip will confirm me as scum. What? How? It seems like too large a jump, especially given that Desperado hasn't mentioned me at all so far in his posts outside of a single instance of talking about waffles. (For the record, I prefer pancakes, but waffles can be pretty dope from time to time) This gets echoed in his 1011, too.

1038 : There's been objections to the Rach wagon so far, so it's interesting to point out that here is where he defers to Nacho. I think that Desperado is town-reading Nacho and either wants an out for his Rach case so that he can push someone else, or, if Nacho's logic isn't sound, he'll continue to push now that he's certain there won't be outspoken Nacho opposition--which, for the record, is some powerful shit.

1335 : The talk of my Calvin/Hobbes AtE here is actually pretty damning evidence. First of all, it allows him to retrospectively and subtly push on me without making an actual case (see: Desperado's play against me this whole game) while appealing to the real meta-heads who are on the fence about me (See: BROseidon, especially). What splits this from the way BRO goes about Meta is that Desperado is using it to call suspicion onto my slot. It's an inaccurate portrayal, because I've made use of the same appeals and rhetoric as both scum and town (See: Open 489 "You Are Not Cats" as well as "Calvin and Hobbes Mafia"). Of course, on a personal level, I feel like using Meta to make these sorts of arguments against players is useless and far-and-away exploitable by scum, so I'm a bit biased on this front. Still, my meta spits in the face of the accusation, and it really feels like Desperado is testing the waters with pushing a mislynch on me. He later cites ‘commitment to the role’ as reason why he’s paranoid, pulling back a bit on the insane anti-FTL claims he’d put forth earlier. I think Desperado doesn’t realize I commit pretty damn hard in most of my games, regardless of alignment. I replace out when I can’t commit.
MS edit: Desperado’s push on us because of “paranoia” sounds like an excuse to push us without having any real reason. I was in that Calvin&Hobbes game too along with Vars and Desp so I see where he’s coming from but the fact that he only read the Varsoon head and provided no comments about me makes his push scummy imo

GHOSTLIN: 31 POSTS : TOWN
WHY :

I’m actually null-lean-town on this one, but MS is wholly convinced that Ghostlin is town, so I’m deferring to him here. There are a lot of points where I personally feel that Ghostlin is taking a town consensus before moving forward with a wagon, but I can also see a lot of personal reasoning being put out for those votes and a lot of unwavering, solid reads being put down rather than the typical ‘scum-confirming-a-townie’ move. I’m skeptical of certain plays, but, like I said, Metal Sonic left it at “Ghostlin is town, with very town plays. There’s really nothing else to say about it.”

Spoiler:

143 : Another really spectacular intro posts from a town-read of ours. What makes this post good and town is that it addressing game-flow and issues so far in a unique way, but it also forwards AND articulates new ideas, especially Ghostlin's case on TD and reasons for putting a vote there.

157 : Speaks to some early suffocation coming from the IC slot before his confirmation. This post is so damn town motivated, it makes me smile.

160 : All the cool kids are posting images. I should get on this. Seriously, though, it's a distraction and while fun, isn't necessary.

383 : This is a pretty interesting post where Ghostlin rescinds reads and moves forward in what I am reading as a town way. Notice that Ghostlin first speaks towards how previous scum-reads have turned out to be townier than expected and then Ghostlin posits where other players now stand for him as well, using specific posts as evidence towards that.

516 : This feels like a logical extension of 383, but I'm a bit worried about how passive it is at points. Ghostlin voices several town concerns, but doesn't really go on a limb here.

829 : Finally, Ghostlin really makes a case on someone. It's a bit of a weaker argument, to be sure, but it's something. I don't like how Ghostlin offers Rach up as a sacrifice, though.

1133 : This, I like. In fact, I really like Ghostlin's engagement with the game between here and 829. It represents Ghost really engaging in critical conversation that mutes out and kicks to the curb poor logic and misreps.

1134 : Don't like the idea of wanting the IC dead. I understand that NS's posts are lackluster, but c'mon.

1143 : Hints towards wagon analysis of the mastin wagon, but doesn't go too in-depth. Town-confirms more people, too, but has some articulation as to why.

1462 : Another good content case and post from Ghostlin. Dispels more anti-town thought than I can shake a stick at, but also makes me feel waaaay better about earlier play from him. The comments on NS are pulled back, and previous moments where it felt that Ghostlin wasn't really paying a lot of attention are turned into points made against various players and in justification of a new wagon.

MAC : 35 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-SCUM
WHY:

Mac’s got a lot of one-liners and pretty unhelpful posts. He’s staying off the radar and not really contributing much to the game, which has us more than a little concerned given the amount of posts we’ve had D1. Still, there’s the fact that Mac’s also had limited access, so I feel like that’s worth addressing. I really want to see a lot more content out of the slot, because it isn’t like Mac is failing to engage in the game. There are responses to plenty of issues while they were happening, but the transition between wagons is jarring and Mac’s content is really lacking articulation. Also, there seem to be a lot of times Mac is testing the water or appealing to Meta for reads, which doesn’t sit well with me at all.

Spoiler:

119 : Mac catches the same thing I was picking up on here--it felt like TD's anger was a bit artificial. Still, I think I tested the waters and figured things out in a way that got more answers then being straightforward and just asking.

138 : I agree with this vote at this point in time in the game. It makes sense, especially to me, given how I was interacting with TD around the same time.

168 : I don't know who did this first, but I call this the JMO slip. JMO does this shit all the time, where the second his wagon builds some kinetic force he swears and gets all huffy over it.

261 : Appeal to Meta.

855 : I feel like there should be a lot more content here. It's just 'nope's and deflects.

1342 : OMGUS of sorts, feels misrep'd, doesn't bring a good case in response at all.

1462 : Meta appeal is in line with the earlier one, but also feels very opportunistic in the vote. Parrots concerns about Nacho's absence.

MALAKITTENS (REPLACING NHAMMEN) : 73 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

I originally hated this slot and wanted it pretty dead, especially given how ludicrous the wagon on me seemed. Well, of course, that was until I realized that Mala was making use of the same polarizing approach to the game that I often take as town. I explore this more thoroughly in my Post-by-Post, but Mala really plays with the cards a bit closer to her chest, and pressures players without remorse. After seeing how Mala handled me, I came to understand her process a bit more and I’m personally null-leaning-town on the slot, with MS putting the slot down as a solid town. MS says that Mala tends to have difficulty reading him, and that Mala’s pressure on us reflects an effort to get a definitive alignment-indicative response out of us so that Mala could be more assured of her read on us. This falls in line with my own note that Mala looks a lot more like a player rooted in Meta, and with that in mind, the pressure on our slot makes sense in more than just an approach to read one head or the other, but both.

Spoiler:

734 : Expresses and builds a bit on the whole B&B scum thing from when Mala replaced in. At this point, I was feeling that Mala wasn't articulating votes nearly enough and the fact Mala didn't address Nhammen's play at all really worried me.

741 : Appeals to Meta. C'mon, you know how I feel about this already, I don't wanna talk about it.

749 : I already talked about why this vote was bad in the thread. A reason why I'm not quoting very many of Mala's posts so far is because I already engaged them.

756 and 767 : Feels like non-committal catch-up posts that largely just agree/disagree with people rather than positing individual info/going out on a limb.

968 : There's a lot of associative reads like this that make me feel like Mala was trying to springboard onto other reads without looking like she just dropped the case on me.

1033 : This is where shit really hits the fan. Mala was one of my biggest scum-reads up to this point, and it was my interactions with Mala that make me read her as town now. Specifically, she seems personally upset and offended with us and is a bit stubborn with the perceived slip that we made. I've hung on to reads of my own until I got something substantive out of them before (See : TD, in this game) so, when I really started looking at Mala under the same lens Mala was likely looking at me, the motivation for her case was a lot clearer.

1291 : It's here that Mala and I both realize what's going on between us. What was originally Mala trying to expose me via a slip--in other words, get me to react in a way indicative of alignment--turned into a player versus player argument that wasn't conducive at all towards town's victory in this game. The fact that Mala was so ready to replace out and make a truce really speaks towards Mala being town, especially given that I saw Mala making use of a lot of the same strategies I do and if I was scum, I'd milk a player v player situation for as much chaos and noise as I could get out of it, because to most people it'll read as annoying/null rather than scum-indicative. Instead, Mala completely disengaged, which read to me that Mala was seeing me as town, didn't get the scum-response she was expecting, and was ready to move forward with the game rather than exploit a situation that could've lasted for dozens of pages (See : 2 and B&B's back and forth in Xenoblade).
MS edit: I have seen Mala in HunterxHunter Mafia(Varsoon wasn’t in it) and as I’ve said many times before in this thread that Mala tunneled and read me wrong. She got lynched(the only mislynch in the game) so it goes to show how her pushes may not be so ideal as town.
1293 : I can't really give credit to Ghostlin for dispelling bullshit and not give this point to Mala. Here, Mala instantly shoots down the idea of a scumslip and even

subconsciously admits to being town

by asserting that she speculates on the number of scum in a game, too.

1321 : While I like the vote on Andrius, I also don't like the reasoning. Still, it's incredibly consistent with Mala's earlier appeals to Meta, even though it does pretty much incriminate Andy solely on the basis of meta.

1417 : Further echoes of my own thoughts, which is pretty uncanny. This is what makes me thing that Mala take a similar approach that I do, despite being a hydra.

1428 : Expresses the same frustrations I do revolving around reading Rach. I think it's super important to note that Mala gives Rach benefit of the doubt and will judge her on later play (which apparently is more substantive) rather than pushing what could be a very easy day one mislynch.

1590 : Explains a lot of the thought processes asked of Mala and is a generally helpful and insightful post into Mala's process.

MASTIN2 : 30 POSTS : TOWN.
WHY:

MS has Mastin as null-leaning-town, but I really make the case for his towniness here. There are points I find a little dubious, but almost every single Mastin post is amazingly useful and speaks a lot to his positioning and what he thinks while being super-compliant and open to town’s input and questions. It simply isn’t a scum approach, due to the level of articulation and highly consistent, self-assured play. His contributions and good reads list are things MS and I agree on, and the fact that we both have a very similar approach of detailing a reads list and providing substantive evidence to our claims is what really appeals to me.

Spoiler:

240 : Explains his late entry and says he'll catch up. He actually delivers in his very next post, which makes me trust him.

448 : A really good outlying vote and a post that brings a lot to the table. Mastin's clear about identifying his own process and why he's voting here, which speaks a lot to towniness.

692 : Elaboration on his earlier vote, but provides good transition to the nick one. He's very compliant here and even speaks to why he feels his play might be weaker early on in the game.

705 : Really good wagon brokering here. Argues his reads in a strong and concise manner that speaks towards a willingness to co-operate, find scum truthfully, and stand by his own opinions.

715 : Offers a really compelling post-by-post on Rach that actually... makes use of... logic? Holy shit I didn't think it could be done.

966 : I could really talk about how Mastin is town all day err'y day. The posts leading up to this one are glorious and compliant and show cognitive wheels spinning, but this is really the apotheosis of Mastin's play. Mastin brings in a huge reads list, and breaks down every single read in a comprehensible way that reflects consistent trajectory and comprehension/engagement in the game.

1033 and 1399 : Both of these reflect Mastin dispelling accusations in a calm, collected, and cognitive manner. He appeals to logic, makes good arguments in response, and really out-performs weak accusations and ideologies.

1587 : Here come the reveals that Mastin's been holding. While I originally thought this could be a really scum way of Mastin getting town consensus before making a 'reveal', his reveal here actually speaks a lot towards work he's been doing throughout the game and reflects a lot of the stances he's had. I see this as further articulation of his earlier reads, which, by this form that I'm using right the fuck here, I clearly agree with as a town process of sharing info. I think it's a little troubling that Mastin tries to link a definitive scum team, as I personally feel that finding one scum is enough on D1, but he's doing his thing and that's awesome. I tend to never look for associations on D1, since bussing is actually quite common and scum is capable of anything. The fact that Mastin dropped this load of text and then -stayed around to talk about it- really speaks towards his towniness. If I were scum, I wouldn't stand by my wall, I'd let idiots clamor all over it and kill themselves picking through. No--Mastin's here for clarity and is pushing stridently and compliantly towards getting town on a good scum consensus.

NACHOMAMMA8 : 37 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

I originally was a bit more than paranoid when Nacho took a while to really get into the game, but I had to remind myself that’s just how Nacho tends to approach games in general. When he does get down to brass tacks, he’s very concise, open with his logic, and strong with his reads and his pressure. Metal Sonic also agrees and posits that this is definitely Nacho’s town game.

Spoiler:

531 : Nacho's real entrance to the game, where he mostly just cryptically calls people town left and right, then leaves after voting Venmar. It's... really suspicious.

642 : Really drills his scum-reads, which is a really solid Nacho move. I'm used to seeing these really harsh one line quips from Nacho that get to the core of what he feels is wrong in people's play, and that's super-evident in this post. The transition to the BRO wagon makes sense in that context. Pressure is good here, and very town. Nacho is pursuing his own reads, rather than testing the waters and playing coy.

995 : Ach, Nacho is such a headache for me to read because he does stuff like the former post I linked, then pushes votes like this one without giving reasons or articulation or even transition and blah.

1485 : This is the post that made me really fall in love with Nacho in this game. He addresses all of my points, which is something I had given up on happening. This speaks to a few things: Nacho is mindful of town, and isn't just glossing/skimming the game, which becomes really evident when he gets articulate. Nacho is also seeing a lot of the same things I am--namely, my shift in thought on Mala and my feelings that TD's frustration felt a bit artificial. This post really epitomizes most of Nacho's content posts throughout the game, too.

NICK THE NAME : 50 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

I have Nick as null-leaning-scum (more of a benefit of the doubt affordance), but MS is convinced he’s dyed-in-the-wool scum. He’s been really inconsistent in his play across the board, and his reads-list has been pretty betrayed by his own play later. He seems very intent on getting hydras all mislynched, and this is what really rubs MS the wrong way, who cited posts like 441 and 538 against us as evidence for this. I feel like the disparity in his play, the lack of being able to cognitively map him, and his swapping between early votes on just-born wagons to testing the waters with Rach is troubling, especially in light of how defensively he’s been playing this game.

Spoiler:

61 : Explains a terrible, reactionary vote here. Even concedes that it might just be a different approach in playstyle, but never makes clear -that's what he is pressuring-. His vote feels like a genuine get-lynched kinda vote here.

102 : Another vote of reaction-levels, and here with frustration as the only discernible reason why. It's not a very town transition in votes or rationale for either.

201 : you know what this game needs? More IC bashing. Don't encourage or challenge the slot to create content, noooo, that's bad town. Just tell NS that his play was shitty or bad or dumb and suffocate his voice.

218 : Another jarring leap in vote. Nick seems to play a very reactionary game, and since he's given no real reads so far, it's not like I can call him scum for it. His 533 addresses this concern, so, eh?

232 : The logic presented here rings true for Nick, which makes his push make a bit more sense, but I wish it didn't have to get questioned out of him.

748 : Finally does something other than putting suspicion on hydras and pushing/defending his mac vote. I like this engagement, but this is a bit early to be town-reading mala, imo.

873 : About time you got some articulated reads on the table. Could use this as evidence of town gauging, but the reads speak against it. Gotta love how he's got hydras all grouped in his scum/null scum slots. If he just has frustration/difficulty reading hydras, he shouldn't have them all there. His vote on me isn't very well articulated and actually relies on the fact that I was playing logically based on my misunderstanding at one point. Also don't like his point on Mastin. His scum-reads outside of mac aren't very substantive and his town reads are all based in

feels

and

looks

.

938 : A really bad case on Mastin, who I'm reading as town at this point. Nick's points are a misrep/strawman on Nick's part, perception of a 'slip', and interpretation of lying without giving proof otherwise.

969 : Nick, this sounds a lot like an unfounded OMGUS and I don't know if you're painting it in such a way to avoid responsibility, or if you're legit making a case against someone because his reasons for voting you aren't as articulated as you'd like. Mastin isn't even being exploitative, he's actually really well plotted out if you read him. Having difficulty wrapping my head around town motivation for Nick's case on Mastin.

1022 : Despite practically town-reading Rach earlier, Nick's quick to throw some fuel on the building Rach fire right here without committing a vote.

1386 : Gotta call everyone scum, dont'cha?

1504 : This last post is more of what I've seen in 1022. It's like Nick's testing the waters too much with the Rach wagon. If he supports it, he should vote it, and get a damn reaction from it, or something. That's how Nick was playing in his first dozen posts, but it's completely gone here.

NOTSCIENCE: 146 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

Confirmed Innocent Child role. Also, NS’s play here is very akin to his town play elsewhere on-site. It makes me really upset that people are trying to suffocate his voice. You know who you are, shitlords. I see you postin’ round thread, with NS suffocation and I’m like,
Fuck You.

Spoiler:

MS edit: oh look a picture

RACH MARIE : 18 POSTS : NULL
WHY:

Metal Sonic has Rach Marie as scum, but I’m really seeing this as her town game. I’ve –never- seen Rach post a reads list, so I’m pretty damn bewildered, but what makes me sold on the fact that she’s town is how much people are trying to justify a lynch on her without using any info. They just keep saying she’s useless and stifling her voice while simultaneously testing the waters to see if the wagon’ll just explode. It’s infuriating to see her slot handled that way, and she does bring a bit of it on herself, but it feels like a lot of the people that want to see her lynched want it for all the wrong reasons.

Spoiler:

I was going to do a PbP for Rach, but it'd be so meta-based and IIoA that I threw it out right when I got started. I can't read Rach's posts worth a damn, and it always feels like she engages games in this way. The way other people interacted with her wagon, though, that's what makes me think she's town. Also, Nacho and Mastin make pretty good and unbiased points on her.

SKULL DUGGERY : REPLACED OUT : NULL
WHY:

MS was reading the slot as null without enough content and I saw Skull as town with appropriate content for the areas when Skull was still catching up. Still, the replace out rings a bit town as me, but MS insists it’s a null read that we should make and just start from the ground-up with whoever replaces in.
MS edit: yeah she’s hosting a game so she’s pretty busy but in Calvin&Hobbes (with varsoon, bro, and desperado) she was able to put a signboard over her head that says “TOWN TOWN TOWN”. I don’t see that here which makes me sad

SOUND OF SILENCE : 183 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

This hydra is one of the other slots that both MS and I agree on the alignment of fully. I was skeptical of the play coming from the hydra, but it was addressed and now I’m fairly confident in reading it. SoS has a very minimal approach, especially in the early game, but is town in how they handle inquiries and pressure. There’s a good deal of consistency and forging individual reads rather than going with town consensus.

Spoiler:

234 : This is a pretty damn usual line of questioning that I expect from this hydra. It's non-committal, and cuts to the core of what's being asked.

488 : Gives Varsoon a boner.

492 : This is where I immediately saw the slot as town. It rings really true with the play that's been implemented by the slot so far. I don't know how, but this hydra is like a damn Zen master, empty yet able to effectively strike blows and corral its targets.

596 : Scum SoS would have a vote here. Town SoS seems to build suspicion and let players answer for themselves rather than exploiting a case and pushing a potential mislynch.

955 : Reads list is very in-line with SoS's play so far. It doesn't need to justify anything, but also doesn't contradict earlier play and shows a logical progression from the start of the game based on SoS's interactions.

1099 : If I am reading correctly, this is the first serious vote from this slot. It goes to show how conservative SoS is, which speaks a lot to the town approach both MS and I are perceiving from the slot right now--SoS could easily be exploitative and use that minimal approach to cloud information, positioning, etc, and mislynch for days. That's not the case. I see very clearly every move SoS takes and it isn't fluffed up with rhetoric and bullshit. SoS is playing a very thoughtful, town-minded game here.

1139 : This shows how serious SoS takes the game, if no one was following it to this point. There's direct engagement with me, and, through our exchange, SoS changes their mind on the slot, which I feel is pretty compelling and town to do, given how easy of a wagon I am to push today.

1158 : If nothing else compels me to read this slot as town, this does. It not only engages directly and answers a question with a helpful, pro-town response, but also gives much-desired elaboration on certain reads that's consistent and concise. This approach gets echoed a lot in later posts, too.

THEZMON221 : 64 POSTS : SCUM
WHY

: I re-he-he-heeaaaly hate this slot’s play. He takes town consensus left and right, sheeps whatever wagon is going large at the time, parrots what other people say (even tries to act like his points are genuinely his), and suffocates any arguments that are posited otherwise. The worst thing is that he admits to all this, too. MS also feels that the play from this slot is bad, and will not object to a lynch on him.

Spoiler:

506 : A bit late to be exploiting my posts for a mislynch, isn't it? No info is given in response to my posts, but just broad, victimizing speculation.

510 : Doesn't seem to have experience with the Rach. Caught between a Rach and a hard place? Whatever gets his Rachs off. This post certainly can't stop the Rach. Okay, okay, I'm done. Really, though, I hate his buddy/corral of Muffin Man here and in the previous post. It's ugly.

629 : Gets so defensive with me, which is kinda cute, but not endearing in the least. Honestly, he assaults my character (you didn't read my posts approach), and somehow thinks his reads-list doesn't just parrot town sensibilities? Okay, sure. He even provided the qualifier of feeling weaker about scum, as if those reads could shift drastically given new evidence. Sounds real confident, individually progressive, and town. Wait, no, it's actually the opposite of that.

647 : I hate all the distance this slot keeps making with "You don't know/understand".

671 : DING DING DING DING YOU ARE OUR ONE HUNDREDTH CUSTOMER! PLEASE TAKE THIS AWARD FOR BEING YET ANOTHER PERSON TO DISCOURAGE NS AND TELL HIM HIS PR PLAY WAS BAD! OH, YOU KEEP IT UP CONSISTENTLY ALL THE WAY TO POST 712! YOU SURE ARE HELPFUL, WITH LINES THAT POLARIZE THE IC AND IMPLY THAT -ALL OF TOWN- AGREES HE IS AN IDIOT! YOU SURE ARE GREAT! ALL HAIL THEZMON!
MS edit: holy shit what is this
But I also do feel that #655 and #647 (and more) were horribad

939 : Slips off my wagon when it's going nowhere to pursue an even easier one to push through to a mislynch? Oh, but I bet the reasons for it are soundly town and not something like, "I'm going to totally sheep Molliffy here, since it gives me the perfect reason to hop ships to a different wagon." Because, you know, that would only be like open admission to swapping to a wagon that you got consensus on before joining in scum-reading and then hopping when you saw an opportunity to do so! TheZMon would never implement such level-1 scum play! (Yeah bitches, the levels are back.)
MS edit: I don’t know what Varsoon does with his level1-2-3-4 town/scum play thing and I don’t wanna know xD
957 : It's a cool thing that you try to distance yourself from the scummy play of your slot earlier by being an insufferable elitist about it. Give me your number later cool guy, I want to go on a date and throw my drink at you and skip out on the bill. You'll probably call me scum for that, too, but won't hop on my wagon until a recognized townie does so. It's okay if you ironically refer to your play as scummy.

1015 : You're okay with any mislynch, that's good. Oh, hey, hold on, what was that? "But nick is a bigger wagon and more support has been garnered for it." Where... is the town motivation for sheeping the Nick wagon again? I know you parroted reasons why -other- townies want Nick hung, but why do you get a pass when you're clearly playing Level 1 Scum? Well, at the very least, you're trying to consistently stay on a wagon that you support, rather than throwing your vote onto whatever wagon has mass-appeal, right?

1017 : "If the nick wagon shows stalling, then I'll consider the switch." Oh, nevermind, I guess you

are

doing what I just said.

1354 : Well, at least, at the very least, TheZmon doesn't see it scummy when other people do the same thing as--"You go from championing a wagon... to immediately jumping ship the first logical sign of reasoning for mastin being town shows up? Anybody else get some whiplash here?" Okay, fuck it, I'm done. I give up. You're clearly yanking my chain or something. I bet you later go on to vote Rach, call more players useless, suffocate the IC, and tell people they are awful, don't understand, and CANNOT argue against you, for reasons that are poorly founded and contradict your play up to those points.
MS edit: Vig thezmon pls

TIPHANE DEATH : 76 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

Our interactions with TD let us really see that his actions were motivated by a town polarization/frustration against me rather than scum motivation. His votes kinda fly all over the place, but he’s very detailed in what brings him from one point of mind to another, and his votes tend to be pretty outlying and individual. MS is reading the slot as town with me, so it kinda locks it in for me right now.

Spoiler:

I’m so tired of this post-by-post and it’s 3 AM and I’ve been working on it for 10 hours now. No one is probably even going to read what’s behind the spoilers, either. Also, it’s fucking hard to do a Post-by-Post-Analysis on a player like TiphaneD, who posts so across the board with one-liners, quips, and so on. I feel like I already engaged in some significant interaction with him in the early-day that gave me this read, and he’s been living up to it so far.
MS edit: 9k words lmao

TRUST FUND : 178 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

Trust Fund’s contributions to the game are high-noise and low content, often sheeping out popular and pushable wagons such as Mastin, Skull, and me. Post 1077 really epitomizes this, as the kill list goes for days on people who town is iffy about/has a current scummy read on. TF doesn’t broker wagons or even do significant scum hunting, but just sits in the thread, gut reacts to posts, and passes off reads that magically change and come out of nowhere when it’s convenient to the hydra to have someone in the scum or town slot. MS agrees on the points about insubstantial and loud contributions and posits that TF has a lot of fluff and he has no clue who Sasha is.
MS edit: I later realize that sasha is cabd
If that is the case then cabd has lots of explaining to do(because this is poor considering my high expectations from him)
Vars Edit: I think Sasha is supposed to be Syrana?

Spoiler:

VENMAR : 94 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-TOWN
WHY :

Venmar’s frustration feels pretty town to me, to be honest. While I don’t agree with most of his points, especially the ones against Mastin, it feels like Venmar sees himself as a bit isolated and unrecognized as a voice in this game, despite his high output of noise. If anything, his play reminds me of myself in Xenoblade. MS is unsure if to read him as null-leaning-scum or just village idiot/town.

Spoiler:

ZMUFFINMAN : 86 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-TOWN
WHY :

MS insists that Zmuffinman is town, citing his strong town contributions, willingness to engage with the game/players in it, and his helpfulness to people so far. Personally, I haven’t had any interaction with him so far, so I’m null on the slot, with some hints of scumminess and some of towniness, especially since I don’t know how to really interpret a lot of the posturing happening here. Still, I’m gonna defer this one to MS, because he’s a bit better at reading people who we haven’t directly engaged with, whereas I feel like I’m more on the mark when I’ve gotten the chance to talk to someone.

Spoiler:

[Jaqen Hghar]

I'm not going to point out the several times that GCBC has implied that I am scum, called me stupid, etc. Instead, I'm going to focus on points that I haven't answered already, and quote points that I have. GCBC has spent some time arguing that I can’t point to where he misrepresented me, despite the fact that I did in my original case on him. I wasn’t overtly specific about each post I made, next to each post he misrepped, but I don’t need to be, because in the words of GCBC himself, “THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE AND READ.” When I say X and GCBC writes that I said Y, I can write, “That’s not true” and I expect that I don’t have to point out how Y is not X. Alas, here goes:

-My Original Case on GCBC, Including Where he Misrepresented Me, as It was Always a Part of My Original Case and I Have No Clue Why GCBC Has Been Acting Like It Wasn't There:

Spoiler:

With the failure of the Pieguyn wagon to take off, GCBC surely was looking for a different mislynch. He's been walling with the IC all day as a distraction that's largely anti-town (all while trying to dress it up as a failure on the IC's part and as a huge town effort on his own). His rhetoric has betrayed him as scum, his play is scummy, and he's a jerk.

Sheep me for great victory.

The best part of the GCBC walling is that he's been constantly trying to get the IC to vote for someone he thinks is an easy mislynch. This serves two purposes--it lets him fuel a mislynch with the notion that since the IC is on it then it's a good lynch, and to further discredit the IC once the flip becomes town. This way, he can keep the IC around, avoid getting scum-read, and make the IC take blame for his own agenda.

It's brilliant, but your plan had one hole, GCBC.
Varsoon is in this game.
Wiggling can commence now.

Pieguyn's play has been admitted as weak by even Pieguyn. He's an easy target, and the votes on the Pieguy wagon reflect people noticing and pushing that. I mentioned this, noticed it, and that's when GCBC decided that I was a threat. He's made me his foe, and has been rallying for my lynch while still sitting on the Pieguyn wagon. He's in the buttery part of that wagon too, right where scum has a good opportunity to jump on and avoid the blame for hammering AND starting the wagon, all while seemingly presenting a case. Pieguyn's not even around to respond to the 'pressure' that GCBC has retconned his push to represent (as seen in the recent posts by GCBC). All of this points at scum who's holding out of the mislynch of the day (Pieguy) while rallying for another in case that goes tits up. Why not just get off the pie wagon to vote me and push a case on me if I'm his scum-read? Once again, GCBC is being scummy with his voting and is trying to get others to start the push and votes, so he can slide on in a way that won't reflect poorly on him once I flip.

Like I said, clever--but not enough to slip by me.
See, that's the most beautiful thing about the uninterested gambit. I can wait for a scummy player to push for my lynch for scummy reasons--they're silly and somehow think I haven't been reading, or that I won't put up a fight or counter-case. You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

GCBC, that's no good indicator of your alignment. Just like a trust-tell (something that I have extensive experience with), it's only good until you abuse it, when it's great. How do I know you're not cashing in on your 'mollie-always reads me correctly' card in this game? I don't. Therefore, it's worthless as a strategy and only works to leverage you power against scrubs. Why would you want to leverage that sort of power, or convince us that you're town in such a way?
Town wouldn't need to. Scum would.

Wiggle~Wriggle~


P-EDIT: Never said that the IC is scum--that's another misrep there.
In fact, your entire reply reeks of not actually following the argument I put forward and/or an attempt to trivialize it.
Why would you want to not actually read my argument or trivialize it?
Because you're scum.

Wiggle~

P-P-EDIT: More discrediting/trivializing. Every word serves a purpose. You forgot that. That's why your rhetoric has betrayed you.

You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

Also when you pad your posts with literally 100% useless shit fluff like this, do you expect your post to somehow be more convincing? Or larger? Or, you know, less damning?

Oh hey look I can do it too~

Another note on this--chill out. It's a game. Of course I'm going to have fun with it. All words serve a purpose, but more than that, if you consider flavor, asides, and anything not wholly related to 'the game' to be '100% useless shit fluff'--keep it to yourself. Elitism has its place, but we're playing a party game on a forum with a little noose and a gun in the banner. Relax.

Your citation of fact is exactly the sort of thing that scum-you would use, as you've just admitting by claiming you'd burn the floor you stand on for a scum win. You'd go to any length to win, and so it makes plenty of sense that you'd make that play. Your. Rhetoric. Betrays. You.

You're playing the game. See how you just leveraged that Mollie has scum-read you in this game, thus making yourself seem more town? By writing...

So, if shes scumreading me, and I'm scum, I'm stating that her read on me will be correct by the end of today.... why, exactly? What''s my motive? To pray to Arceus that she will 180 her read? With a good percentage of the player base townreading me?

...you are making an argument for that sort of play as against your wincon as scum. This is why I claimed scum when I was manipulating the Trust Tell. Players would figure that I wouldn't do something so against my wincon as scum, and that I must be town for it. It works due to the logic exhibited by town who expect low-level play.

Furthermore, if Mollie does ultimately town read you, you can ride that to the bank. If Mollie waffles on you, you can use that as leverage to push a mislynch on her later in the game because you know she's a powerful opponent of yours.

Most players are too wrapped up in your web of lies to figure this all out,
But I'm on the outside and I'm looking in. I can see through you--see your true colors. 'Cause inside you're ugly. You're ugly like me I can see through you. See to the real you.

The Dram and Action Dan votes on me are awkward sheeps to say the least. I don't quite follow their hop to my wagon, but since I've nabbed my scum verdict, I'll be chasing him all day.

You sure about that? Here is what I saw from his posts.

I make a post saying I am town (because I am and I know that despite others not having the same luxury). Varsoon says, "How can you say that? Only one person is confirmed town". Which I found odd-scum-odd because...

A) He CONFIRMED HIMSELF as town in his first post AND his second post using the explicit words "However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as

I am now confirmed town.

." And I know he was specifically referring to Jacquen as being confirmed town, or at the very least should have considering how he has been posting.

B) If he were town, he should realize that as town, in a game with an IC, you should know that two people are town (yourself and the IC). It is an INTEGRAL part of scum-hunting. But if he were scum, he would have to pretend he was town (like in his first posts) and the realization wouldn't come natively.

C) I never said I was confirmed town. What I said was Jacquen was tunneling on town which I know to be a true statement.

THEN comes the back tracking when I call him out... (paraphrased in my own words)

GC - Remember when you confirmed yourself town? Why are you saying there is only one confirmed town? You must be scum.
Vars - Oh uhh no, really you can know your uhh own alignment sure, but you cant uhh expect people to trust you. (coming from someone who got banned for a trust tell - oh the irony)
Vars - YEAH you are being dense. I can of course claim town, but you cant use it in an argument. YOU are being weak and anti-town.

What happened to?

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:

I'm not going to participate in this game very much.

Then comes an onslaught of posts after I call him out. And then comes an admission of a "gambit".

My take: He wanted to chill out D1. Got caught up in the moment trying to help garner support for my lynch and slipped from his fake-stance put forth at the beginning of the day. Now because I actually have a decent case for Varsoon-Scum, he is scrambling and has dropped his "I'm not going to participate in this game very much" because he is in repair-image-mode.

Hey Varsoon! Since you like OMGUS so much...

VOTE: Varsoon

This is a good lynch.

~GC

The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.

You really need to re-read my post.

In simple terms, Varsoon said only one person is confirmed town (The mod-confirmed IC). When in reality if you are town, from your point of view, there should be two confirmed town. Varsoon isn't town, so he forgot that point when he made that post. This is aside from the hypocritical posts where he confirmed himself town and

then

said only the mod-confirmed IC was confirmed town.

Mollie, even confirmed town can throw games. Just because they are town and everyone knows it doesn't give them a crystal ball.

Your degree of misrepresentation in these posts alone is staggering.
1: You're twisting my gambit of seeming uninterested and catching you into something to scumpaint me. You're trying to deny me agency, which is to assume that I couldn't possibly be doing what I said I was doing. This is a scum tactic. You're attempting to disarm and devalue my arguments and approach. You're also going on as if I'm lying and making a push at disenfranchising my voice.
2: You've completely disregarded the post where I posit that the only way to be truly confirmed to the rest of the game's players is via the moderator. Of course, that post wouldn't be very helpful since it blows a hole in your entire misrepresentation of the facts of our exchange.

You're trying to doctor yourself up as a 'winner', and me as an illogical, lying, scummy loser. The truth is that you're (very obviously) lying about our interaction in order to simultaneously devalue me as a player and push a wagon on me. You've committed the fallacy of presenting a strawman. This comes in the form of you re-writing our dialogue to make me seem like a bumbling, backpedaling moron and painting yourself as a calm voice of reason and cogency. In short, fuck you. I really want to replace out of this game, and have done so when people've been this way before, but I'm going to stay in it. I won't rest until you're dead--and not because you're an asshole, but because you're scum.

Could everyone who is not on my wagon or GCBC's wagon please shift to voting for one of us?

I want him dead or I want to die. Either way, one of us should not come out of this alive.

-

In the case of ‘Hurling Sexual-Preference Epithets’ (Post 1378)

:

Spoiler:

instead of insulting the people who've called you out.

Says the man who hurls sexual-preference epithets... Contradiction #1024?
~GC

This refers to my earlier remarks in Post 1350.

Why is this scummy?

Instead of continuing to engage my points, GCBC continues an insult-contest, insulting me as a 'man who hurls sexual-preference epithets'.
GCBC also devalues what I have to say by the added hyperbole of 'Contradiction #1024' (meaning that this is my 1024th contradiction) as well as acting as if he shouldn't stop insulting me solely because he perceives me as insulting him.

Why is this wrong?

'Rainbow Wizard' refers to this painting in the popular dating sim, Katawa Shoujo. Several jokes surround the nature of the painting, but the primary focus of these jokes is that the painting itself is a fiendish creature bent on cruelty. This is because the painting seems to stalk you through the game. Images such as this one were made, and the Rainbow Wizard is even a boss in the fan-made Katawa Shoujo Lite game. I used the words 'Rainbow Wizard' to refer to GCBC due to his fiendish and cruel nature of stalking me throughout the game, and how I was trying to avoid making it more than it actually was at the time by refusing to go point-by-point with him.
'Gandalf The Gay' refers to Dumbledore of the Harry Potter franchise as well as the actor Ian McKellen (who portrays Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings films). This serves the purpose of poking fun at the way in which GCBC has been acting like he has wizardly knowledge of the truth of things, while serving the purpose of a whimsical rhyme within my sentence. While Dumbledore has been confirmed as a homosexual by the author JKRowling and Ian McKellen is a gay rights activists and self-proclaimed homosexual, I don't understand how anyone could find being referred to as one or the other as an insult, but more on that... now.

With these dual layers of reference to relatively obscure titles, I was taking part in the further dance that GCBC and I have been engaged in. GCBC wrote that I used big words in order to mask the fact that I didn't know things, so as a further representation of using things that GCBC considers in this fashion, I used these two little-known references to continue that ongoing interaction. Of course, he didn't understand either one, and assumed that I was insulting him instead of referring to him as an irreverent bumbling old wizard man who's purpose in this game has largely been to send ill-will my way, ultimately ending in my death if anyone takes him too seriously.

On the topic of interpreting either of those to be an insult using a 'homosexual epithet', neither were, and by entering the dialectic where you assume that they are, you are further propping up the notion that homosexuality is an insult. I never intended it as such, and it's clear from my post that I wasn't using homosexuality in order to devalue GCBC's character or play at all. If anything, you shouldn't be offended to be called a homosexual at all, especially in the case that I provided, where the only interpretable instance of homosexuality being mentioned was in likening GCBC to Ian McKellen/Dumbledore, and in that case, both men stand as proud and strong figures for the homosexual community as well as generally wonderful people independent of their sexual orientation.

-In the case of 'Using Big Words I Don't Know the Meaning Of' (Post 1361):

Spoiler:

Why is This Scummy?

Here, GCBC insults me while simultaneously trying to devalue my play by insinuating that I'm hiding behind a layer of 'big words that I don't know the meaning of'. The word particular that he is referring to here is 'strawman', as it was the one quoted. Oh, it's also a lie, since I do know the meaning of every word I use, which leads into...

Why is this Wrong?

The notion of using 'big words' is already a failed one. This is an English board, and therefore, I expect everyone to be able to identify and understand whatever words that I choose to use. The argument that I'm putting forth more elaborate rhetoric in order to mask the fact I don't know things is laughable, mostly because it would be incredibly transparent if that was the case, and would make for a poor rhetorical decision in the first place.
As for the 'Strawman Fallacy', I posted a link explaining what it was in my post 1108, then provided exactly where GCBC was strawman-ing me.
When I provide the example of where you're doing it, and I provide a link to a page that describes it, you'd figure that I know what it is.

-In the case of 'Varsoon Thinks Claiming Confirms Him (as Town)' (Post 1243):

Spoiler:

Why is this Scummy?:

GCBC has constantly been reiterating this notion that I believe claiming confirms me as town. By writing that 'Varsoon thinks', he belittles my intellectual process by presenting the notion that I wildly believe in something as wrong as a claim clearing a player. He’s posited that I must be scum because I don’t consider myself confirmed town. Furthermore, it's a straight-up lie, because...

Why is this Wrong?:

In post 978 I explain that the only way to be truly confirmed is by the mod, and that a claim never will change that. This holds true throughout. What GCBC is likely hanging on to is my early posts in the game where I claim town and call myself 'confirmed town' for it. This is a clear joke, and a reference to how I used trust tells such as that one in the past. GCBC is also likely referring to my post 1110 where I full claim to 'further confirm myself as town'. The rhetoric in this sentence alone reflects the fact that my use of 'confirm' and GCBC's are not the same. The 'confirm' the GCBC is trying to act like I am putting forth here is the absolute--as in, I would absolutely be confirmed, as if by a mod. However, I use the adverb 'further' to modify confirm, because I am using the verb 'confirm' as an process. I believe that my claim makes me seem more town, which further confirms me in this way. Even if I die, it further confirms me in this way. GCBC has been acting as though I've meant that my claim holds the same power and absolute nature of a mod-confirm, although it's obvious from my use of the adverb 'further' as well as my points in post 978 that is not the case.

Posts like 1054 reflect GCBC continuing to misinterpret and/or misrepresent what I meant in post 978. In fact, 1054 is a really great example of GCBC calling me scum, acting as though I didn’t think I was town-confirmed (when I explicitly wrote that I know I’m town, but that’s only knowledge that only a few single players know).

-In the case of 'Claiming Slayers Gambit in Response to a Wagon Forming on Him' (Post 1243):

Spoiler:

Why is this Scummy?:

GCBC is using commonly-used site-related terms to refer to my play in order to demean it, calling it a 'shitty response' and presenting it as factitious (there's another big word for you, GCBC. It means fake or artificial, usually referring to that artificiality in a lying sort of way). This devalues my play while simultaneously stripping me of agency by acting like I am only claiming the use of a gambit, rather than actually using it.

Why is this Wrong?:

It only takes a bit of site-meta to know that I follow my games and am extremely active in them. It takes a bit of research to realize I've been posting in other games as well as in my Hydra while I've been in this game. It only takes reading this game to realize that I've been following along with it day by day from the content I've produced that speaks towards the game as a whole. Therefore, positing that I'm just claiming a 'Slayers Gambit' instead of actually doing it (which, if you look, I actually did) is a lie. In post 1230, GCBC directly speaks about my gambit and calls it scummy, which means that he does acknowledge that I actually did perform the gambit—this stands in direct contradiction of him acting as if I just claimed a gambit.
Furthermore, the 'wagon forming on me' was Chamber of Kittens (who inherited an old vote on me from the Remembrance Slot) and Jaqen. That's two votes, one of which had no push behind it (Chamber). Two votes doesn't mean very much on D1 of a large game, and so by acting as if my gambit (or, my bad, 'claim of a gambit') was in response to the wagon forming on me, then GCBC presenting me as someone who would make so much noise over only two little votes. That wasn't the case at all, as is apparent by the fact that my responses were directly in reference to GCBC and didn't seek to clear me nearly as much as they did to pressure and expose the GCBC slot.

Ultimately, what does this mean?
GCBC has been misrepresenting, insulting, devaluing, and demeaning me as well as other players throughout the course of the game. His play is scummy, anti-town, and anti-fun. He is, for me, every bit an actual lynch as he is a policy lynch. His waffling between wagons while pushing cases for various people as scum while avoiding to committing to any one is suspicious at best and absolutely scummy at worst.

So, one last time,
VOTE: GCBC

VOTE: GCBC

VOTE: GCBC

[Jaqen Hghar]

And I appear to be right.

A girl certainly found that post quickly considering its in the middle of one on of the longest games in site history and a man purposely didn't link to it...

[Jaqen Hghar]

Jesus, that's a long post. I'd say scum-varsoon.

A girl posted at 20 a man's time

And I appear to be right.

A girl also posted at 8:20 a man's time

[Jaqen Hghar]

If it's an ongoing game it doesn't exist. That's what's kosher.

[Jaqen Hghar]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30908

[Jaqen Hghar]

VOTE: GCBC

[Jaqen Hghar]

That said, our innocent child's main account is on both mine and ffery's blacklist, and I very much doubt either of us would have remained in signups had we known who it was. The mollie fight just complicated things. The reason I remain in the game is because I have a personal policy of never replacing out of games EVER. Prohawk was nice enough to join me here.

And a man wonders, how would a boy know this but by snooping through an account's settings that are set to private across the board? A man would think that's an abuse of privileges. It makes no matter though, because as a man has already said several times the registrar need must not be the player; a Faceless Man wears many faces. A man further thinks a boy would be best served to put his petty grievances and childish blacklist aside and just play the game without taking every opportunity to drag another's name through the mud.

[Jaqen Hghar]

So, what exactly is wrong with the questions you listed, again? I'm not going through the trouble of pulling up meta of me posing similar questions because that doesn't really prove anything and I'm sure you'll try to find some way to say x =! y anyway. All I can really say is you're wrong and leave it at that. Don't like it? Quit taking shots from the sidelines and commit with a vote on me.

nope. you don't get to sit there and hide bc "omg your vote isn't on me!!1". that has nothing to do with the validity of my case on you. and I JUST SAID THIS AND ASKED YOU TO BACK UP THIS STATEMENT AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T BACKED IT UP. you can't run away anymore ~

it's not semantics. it's flat-out you're trying to trap people into scumreads with BS questions which is scummy in itself BUT ON TOP OF THAT it's smth that appears relatively often in your scumgames but not in your towngames, with the underlying logic to back it up (which is what I explained that I realized was missing from my big meta-dive post). but ok I'll explain just this once <3

Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

in addition to looking fake as fuck, this question is stupid. as town, kagami wouldn't be firing on all cylinders yet. so by making her post when she's not at 100% then you can go "omg you're [not at 100%] you must be scum", where [not at 100%] is anything that results of her not being at 100%. also what makes you think activity is alignment indicative for her? as scum shit like this is really easy to pick up on and then you can point it out and boom you have an objective scumtell that you can push without even having to think if said action comes from town or scum motivation

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

this question is bad. it's a really easy angle for scum to push. and you're pushing it without thinking about if her lack of reads actually comes from scum motivation

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

^

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

REALLY? do you really think joining a game you're not willing to commit to for a while is alignment indicative? what the fuck? this is a flat out filler question case in point. it allows you to sit there and look like you're scumhunting without doing jack and shit

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

same as the one 2 above this

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

yet another easy angle. and what made you believe smth like this would necessarily be in a previous town game? it feels more like scum busywork than actual qusetioning

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

same as the one 2 above this

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

you haven't backed up this statement with evidence despite the fact I've asked you several times. is it really that hard? the fact you're so hesitant to back this up, IMO, indicates you can't actually back it up bc it's fake as fuck. you should also know from AA:MFA how my vote didn't match whoever I was pressuring several times and I was town in that game

all these questions are examples of weak, easy angles that I found completely lacking in your towngames. explain yourself or die :>

Best points a man has seen against Kaze yet

[Jaqen Hghar]

But, would pie lend his vote this day that a man will return the favor on the morrow?

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man does see where you are, but all the same

[Jaqen Hghar]

Regardless of pie's claim don't roleclaim in case it's fake, kaze.

A man says really? A man would rather scum use those up, tyvm!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Or does a boy mean the shit fake?

[Jaqen Hghar]

*shot

[Jaqen Hghar]

Dearest waynegg. It doesn't take rocket science to narrow down a list of asshats from my past that would play like you. It furthermore narrows it down when you indicate meta that only players from the gym would know, given that hawk is in this hydra, AP isn't a douchebag, and the rest of them don't play here anymore.

I don't have any special mod powers here,

and the thought that you think a site mod would give a player an unfair advantage is just.... wow.

A boy becomes a girl. A man never said or implied that. A man does note a boy's up thread revelation of knowledge of mafiascum's back doors and integrating coding in order to ignore players. If a boy can do that, he can pretty much do as he will, powers or no.

[Jaqen Hghar]

encryptor is a role that allows anyone that it can communicate with to communicate during the daytime. it's usually a scum role and allows scum daychat but in this case it allows me and my partner to get mason daychat

what was your read on Kaze before he got "shot"? was he always a townread?

@Jaqen:

talk to me about those questions Kaze was asking. after seeing Kaze's reaction do you disagree with my points on him? I'm already having paranoia that the reaction was faked although he basically did the blacklist tell and idk if he'd deliberately go that far as scum

A man still agrees with your points. A man is also intrigued with your role as it would seem to strengthen a man's stance on GCBC's slip as to why a boy would post that in thread as scum. Of course, if a boy somehow flips tow that would make for a tasty Pie.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Listen the fuck up, waynegg. You are currently accusing me of cheating. Either own up and say you think I'm a cheater, or fuck off; right now.

A man has been shown where a boy did so on two different sites. A man has still as yet not received an answer on how a boy knows who registered this account when all was set to full on private in the account setting, choosing instead to deflect with irrelevant questions. A man would also note that a boy's ultra competitive nature and scum record would explain the lengths a boy has gone to this game to keep himself alive.

[Jaqen Hghar]

encryptor is a role that allows anyone that it can communicate with to communicate during the daytime. it's usually a scum role and allows scum daychat but in this case it allows me and my partner to get mason daychat

what was your read on Kaze before he got "shot"? was he always a townread?

@Jaqen:

talk to me about those questions Kaze was asking. after seeing Kaze's reaction do you disagree with my points on him? I'm already having paranoia that the reaction was faked although he basically did the blacklist tell and idk if he'd deliberately go that far as scum

Kaze was town to me before that, I was laughing because one, you'd be an idiot to shoot him and two, his reaction was priceless.

One of a man's scum reads protecting another of a man's scum reads...

[Jaqen Hghar]

One of a man's scum reads protecting another of a man's scum reads...

do we have the same gog damn reads or what
like I srsly had both katarina and kaze as scum before this whole clusterfuck 0.0
why is katarina scum? and what do you make of kaze's reaction? do you think he can fake it as scum?

One of a man's scum reads protecting another of a man's scum reads...

I'm a scumread?

So if I'm correct your scumpile right now is the exact opposite of my townpile. That being Kaze, Varsoon, GCBC, and Lush.

I'm sorry but despite being IC you have pretty bad reads >:O

explain Kaze town

this is another scum motivated comment btw. you just say he has bad reads without explaining why they're bad. as it is it just looks like you're discrediting. do you generally make comments like this? 0.0

in other newz messiah continues to bathe with scumsoap and somehow people are ignoring this. it boggles the mind.

tell me more \o/

A man thinks anybody is capable of anything if they put their minds to it. A man has explained his reads so please ISO as a man is at work and on his 30 minute lunch break so doesn't have much time.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Department of Homeland Security's Campaign slogan, MC. See something, say something.

Stasi's campaign slogan, Schild und Schwert der Partei. A man saw we were discussing irrelevancies so he thought he would do something worthwhile and let the youth of today know this DHS crap has happened before and used to be what we fought

against

. The wall never came down, not truly, it only expanded.

[Jaqen Hghar]

you have been so butthurt crying about this whole ordeal, you can't take what you dish out so

A man points out irony rofl

[Jaqen Hghar]

current thoughts: ^town.
I've more or less given up on this "entire game reread" thing. I'll still try to do it, but i've been stuck on page 16 for the last few days.

A man is curious as to where the hang up lies?

[Jaqen Hghar]

@Pie

Will the Bastard of Lush kindly remove his nailless finger from a man's arse? A man feels it now. A man thinks he knows why there are too many scum in this game. A decent portion of scum are playing the strategy of too obvious to be scum ~ therefor not scum because site meta dictates players get free passes for thus. An excellent strategy as that make all who see things differently look scummy. A man doesn't think this is MB either the claims of thinking thus are just another facet to the strategy to cover for their "thoughts" of too many scum.

A man now reads these ones as scum

GCBC
Varsoon
Kaze
Lush
Katarina

@bork
Yes BorkLord. A man thought that was obvious since he's playing to the sense of humor of each head. A man very much enjoys all three aspects of the 3 headed hydra, whether in singular or plural play and makes no slights.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A boy is still fishing for the pilot of the anti hydra. Sad.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh. It's the hawk master. A man is just noting the amount of butt hurt that spewed from the other head to "being read wrong" and how much energy has been poured into whining about this slot and trying to figure out this slot's identity (which at the end of the day matters naught) and in calling out others for chasing off his first partner and how the slot has taken to naming a man wrong in effort to provoke ~something~ for a slot like that to call anyone butthurt crying about anything is rofl irony.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Yeah, you should probably get your heads right.

ROFL irony!

[Jaqen Hghar]

So master of the hawk, you're a rational man, where has a man gone astray (if he has) on his read of your slot?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Cabd's supposed scum-slip? In your original case you talked about Cabd needing to coach his scum-team. I don't think I have ever seen any scum coach their team in the thread, its team-suicide. If you were scum, would you talk to your teammates in the thread?

If you want me to be blunt, I think this is the main reason you are so full of conf-bias:

A man would also note that a boy's ultra competitive nature and

scum record

would explain the lengths a boy has gone to this game to keep himself alive.

I think you want to tarnish Cabd's claim of his scum-record which you are acutely aware of. This would explain your early latch on to tunnel without scum-hunting elsewhere. I think you were just waiting for the first sign of anything you could get your hands on to make a case. Did you honestly give this slot a chance when the game started?

You can deny it. You can even spin this as me trying to discredit your argument, but I think there is more truth to that theory than not.

~GC

A man has done plenty of scum hunting outside GCBC. A man has seen, in retrospective, coaching of scum by other scum ITT where day talk wasn't present. A man was working off this premise even before Pie's claim. With Pie's claim and cabd himself qualifying the claim as it should be believed until a couple of days before LyLo and further coupled with Pie's claim to the exclusivity of his encryptor, a man is sated with his previous theorem as well as the work on the postulate and is now considering it proven theory.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Did you honestly give this slot a chance when the game started?

You can deny it. You can even spin this as me trying to discredit your argument, but I think there is more truth to that theory than not.

~GC

A man has no need for spin. A man townread the slot until that point.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Let's lynch <the most obvtown player outside the innocent child>, Varsoon :3

How a man read that post.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Will a boy cease to put words in a man's mouth. A boy is scum. Die already.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is torn Mollie. On the one hand a man trusts your advice. On the other, a Lady has advised in the past that a man's reads are good and he should stick to his guns. A Lady agrees everything about the slot is scum aside from the ffery replace out (which given past histories think she would do as scum if both ladies were scum). So a man is left torn. Which Mollie advice to follow...?

[Jaqen Hghar]

And a man's question received an answer. A man's account settings were not as a man left them (online visibility and email contact restored to default while others left as set). With how some have acted, a man had good reason to have the suspicion he has expressed. That said, Lord Flay let a man know it could be caused by site migration issues, though the exact reason couldn't be pinpointed. A man will drop that now and hope it truly was a site issue.

[Jaqen Hghar]

You decide to alt slip on purpose or what?

A man thought it the best way to keep that dung from being used to clutter the thread.

[Jaqen Hghar]

So to clarify

, wayne, you're now saying that I'm scum with the claimed mason

?

Will a boy cease to put words in a man's mouth. A boy is scum. Die already.

It's like a fucking brick wall.

In light if the history between the two ladies, a man can see the one replacing out (with less provocation than ever) if both are scum because she would feel she couldn't even get a break when they're scum

together

.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Lend a man your vote? A boy doesn't wriggle so fierce as town.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Good thing there's plurality this game since this lot can't seem to agree on a damn thing.

Seriously, I feel like half of you are just going off on weird tangents because personal business. The other half can't be bothered to care.

A boy would have you believe it's personal business. A boy lies. It's only a boy who makes things personal; a man has no time for such trivialities.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man has no need for spin. A man townread the slot until that point.

You never answered my question. If you were scum, would you talk to your teammates in the thread? Also, in retrospect, have you seen Cabd coach in the thread?

Your first post was about you not realizing the game had started. Your second post was a vote on Morph. I don't really see any town-reading going on by you.

~GC

A man has seen cabd wriggle. As town as well as scum. This isn't town wriggle. Many pardons that a man wouldn't comment on every post a boy had made in 16+ pages of initial catch up. If a man didn't know better, he would swear Hawk Master were trying to paint an innocent child...

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man does, Lord of Lush, but only one at a time. Not that it has anything to do with the account settings of Jaqen H'ghar. A man has to be careful how many share the password at a time, lest it corrupt games and break site rules. A man will be happy to discuss more in depth when the game is over if you like but this is naught to do with the game...

[Jaqen Hghar]

Or a girl is feingining igonorance. A self professed can't hunt scum should really listen to a man with a provable track record of consistently finding D1 scum and disregard the wriggling a of found scum. A man thinks that would be the most sane course. A man also notes Lady Lush's immediate deference to her other heads the moment a man explains how he can see Lush being scum with GCBC.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man hasn't insulted a boy at all. A man has just pointed out every time a boy has wriggled or pointed out a one sided supposed history in order to cast doubt on a man's indefferance. A man has time naught for pettiness though a boy would have you believe so. Any past history has been completely drummed up by a boy. In fact, a boy's first post in every game he's been in with a man over the last year has been to needle a silly one time spat by saying something along the lines of 'lets don't fight and just play' and then proceeds to use HIS PETTY GRUDGE HE ALONE IS HOLDING ONTO to discredit a man. Again, a man could care less for boyish squabbling. A man comes to play. A man comes to win. A boy is playing very distinctly different from his town game. A boy is scum and needs to die. Town has no reason to doubt a man's position inning as he's mod confirmed town. All who have played with a man know his prowess for finding D1 scum, even a boy.

A man does often read a boy as scum until late in D1 where a man finds reason to change that stance. That hasn't happened here. Because a boy is scum this time.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Or a girl is feingining igonorance. A self professed can't hunt scum should really listen to a man with a provable track record of consistently finding D1 scum and disregard the wriggling a of found scum. A man thinks that would be the most sane course. A man also notes Lady Lush's immediate deference to her other heads the moment a man explains how he can see Lush being scum with GCBC.

I have deferred nothing, I am fucking furious with majiffy cos he is being a complete and total fucking asshole so I have stepped back from the game. I will never hydra with him again.

I am checking on it a bit to offer support to the players I like and believe to be town and try to form a little cohesion. that is pretty much all I am going to do.

That explains much. A man is patient.

[Jaqen Hghar]

The Bastard of Lush is funny from afar, but a man agrees he's probably very hard to hydra with considering his strong opinions. If a Lady weren't a Lush, could she follow the reasonings a man has set forth for how the two hydras could be scum together? If a Lady needs reminding, a man will oblige.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man dodges a prod, quiet as a shadow

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is good with this as many and more know the one called Varsoon likes to camp a bus early D1 as scum, and should that one flip scum all eyes should be then diverted (finally) to the caught scum. A quick lunch D2 would be the best to resolve that before a boy's wading and wriggling fall upon soft ears.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Jaqen Hghar]

If a Lady weren't a Lush, could she follow the reasonings a man has set forth for how the two hydras could be scum together?

A man patiently awaits an answer

[Jaqen Hghar]

lunch

ye i have the munchies too

Would that a man could, but strange visions a man needs not. Besides, a man's cupboards are Baden of all which is sweet AND that which is salty

[Jaqen Hghar]

Or barren. Whichever.

[Jaqen Hghar]

VOTE: GCBC

A man thinks the rest if the town should hop on.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Vote Gaiden. HURRY

It won't work.
Town's stupid this game.
Everyone's stupid this game.
I fucking tried, I really did, but you guys are too jerkholey for me.

A man isn't stupid. A man wonders who Varsoon thinks town are...

[Jaqen Hghar]

VOTE: GCBC

A man thinks the rest if the town should hop on.

A man thinks town don't want to lynch scum today for some reason

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man should read my god damn posts, because I've talked about it.
I'm not giving you shits reads.
You've got to do work to win,
I tried to put in work to help you tits,
but you just laughed and called me scum.
So I'm not helping you tits anymore.
Tits.

A man smiles.

A man has done much work which all fell on deaf ears

[Jaqen Hghar]

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man should read my god damn posts, because I've talked about it.
I'm not giving you shits reads.
You've got to do work to win,
I tried to put in work to help you tits,
but you just laughed and called me scum.
So I'm not helping you tits anymore.
Tits.

A man smiles.

A man has done much work which all fell on deaf ears

THIS NEED TO GO IN A FIREBALL

Does a man get under your skin? It's not a man's fault you're too blind to lynch caught scum.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man shouldn't die with his back turned

VOTE: Varsoon

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man japes

UNVOTE:

[Jaqen Hghar]

VOTE: GCBC for a good scum flip. A man recalls someone saying GCBC should be saved because a boy is an asset if town. A man says you hand him the game if he's scum due to your stupid reverence. Kill the scum.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Tell a man how useless he is when GCBC wins another scum game and you could have lynched him D1. Tell me then. Until then, shut it.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man knows there's more than enough watching this game day climax to speed lynch the fuck out of scum. Not a man's fault town has no backbone either.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Tell a man how useless he is when GCBC wins another scum game and you could have lynched him D1. Tell me then. Until then, shut it.

YOU CAN NOT LYNCH HIM WHEN THERES 21 MINS TO THE DEADLINE.

YOUR VOTE IS USELESS ON HIM

WHEN IT CAN BE USED ELSEWHERE.

we can't lynch him Day 1. You are out of your mind.

Understand now?

You vote GCBC
Muffin vote GCBC
Serene vote GCBC
Lush vote GCBC
Mac vote GCBC
Saki vote GCBC
A FEW MORE FOLLOW COURSE
Varsoon hammers

Plenty of time if everyone just takes their thumbs out of their butt

How long does it take to type and hilight GCBC then click the vote widget? 30 seconds? 18 minutes is an eternity.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man knows from history they lurk day close. Just do it.

[Jaqen Hghar]

GCBC just confirmed there's no scum in me or Gaiden.
GG mislynch one of us.

And tell a man, Varsoon, how would a boy KNOW that?

[Jaqen Hghar]

@cabd

i don't even think gaiden is all that likely to flip scum and he could very well be town

but varsoon isn't scum here


@jaqen,

half the players you listed don't have a scum read on GCBC

Half the players don't know day from night. Sheep a man for profit.

[Jaqen Hghar]

you arent a man if you dont vote either V or Gaiden

A man doesn't knowingly vote town. Nor does a woman. So why are you?

[Jaqen Hghar]

i think i hate you guys

I haven't changed my vote (:

15 minutes. I'll be here for all of them, so sell me.

I think they're trying to sell a lynch on you!

Yes, a mod confirmed IC is scum. You must be Moon Boy?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Then join a man and quit being chickenshit