Micro 285 - Time: The Distortion (Town Win)

[DOMO]

One of masky/DOMO is likely scum; I lean towards DOMO.

Yay I got scumread before I even posted.

Pre-emptive OMGUS.

vote adaptive heat

[DOMO]

What do you want from me? Nothing interesting has happened except some random fos at the two people yet to post.

[DOMO]

Messiah might be town.
Scumfuck is a mild townread of mine.
catboi I've got a gut-townread on.

VOTE: Lucky2u.
Lucky, not so much.

One of masky/DOMO is likely scum; I lean towards DOMO.

I'll synch up with talah later.

I can actually see where AH is coming from. I don't think this is a random fos. Yeah only one page in but I can't say I've got any scum reads, and if he's in the same place then it's natural to look at those who haven't posted yet.

unvote

I at least have one town read now.

vote masky

[DOMO]

DOMO's not necessarily scum, but I'm definitely leaning that way quite strongly, now. Not as strongly as with Lucky, though.

Why on both?

[DOMO]

All I've got from lucky is "hi game started", "this is 7 players vote scumfuck", and "is the mod a player".

I don't think that can be any more null.

[DOMO]

Add in your defense of Lucky2u whose content has been bad

And bad = scummy? I don't intend to defend lucky, it's just that I can't see how you're getting a scum read from those posts. Lucky might be scum, if so then I'd say you got lucky. No pun intended.

[DOMO]

Why would you have a slight townread on catboi? He was first to post and then his next post is a vote for me for not liking my entry post.

I think he's a good bet for scum. Seems pretty lurky and oportunistic.

AH seems pretty town motivated. Everyone else null.

[DOMO]

And you are defending Lucky, whether you realize it or not.

Fair enough. I can see where you're coming from, I'm just a little alarmed at how easily you're towning people to reach these conclusions.

[DOMO]

Why would you have a slight townread on catboi? He was first to post and then his next post is a vote for me for not liking my entry post.

I think he's a good bet for scum. Seems pretty lurky and oportunistic.

Catboi's posting has been miles more town than yours. I'll explain later.

Also, lol at lurky/opportunistic on first day of game opening, especially when catboi was among the first giving attempts at content and did so entirely separate of others.

You think a RVS vote and then disappear is an attempt at giving content? There's plenty of time for him to prove he's not lurky and opportunistic, I'm just trying to make sense of your town reads and I'm struggling as far as catboi is concerned.

You're trying too hard~

It's a micro, I have one page to read, I wouldn't say I'm trying even remotely hard.

[DOMO]

It's a micro, I have one page to read, I wouldn't say I'm trying even remotely hard.

No, as in, you're attempting to call me "lurky and oportunistic" on page 2 of a game that's only a day old, which makes absolutely no sense. Just manufactured content using buzzphrases to seem like you're reading deep. I mean, why's your vote not on me if everyone else is null?

I'm not going to explain why your first post was bad yet, but if people don't see it I will~

I said you seem lurky and opportunistic. You made two posts - first post hi and RVS vote, second post on next page after I enter slamming a vote on me. It's what stands out to me over the first two pages.

I don't care if my first post was bad. I know it was bad because I assumed AH was randomly pointing the finger at me when there was actually some basis. I hadn't really read everything, I just skimmed and posted as soon as I remembered this game.

The rest of his posts seem overly aggressive for the current game state.

You know I'm aggressive.

Quoted reasoning- you are finding fault with catperson for being opportunistic when you are voting the only person yet to post in the game.

Well I wanted to see if anyone would hop on, but instead you're suggesting I'm being opportunistic. I'm not, I'm reaction baiting.

Unquoted reasoning- why do you care who is scum reading who at this point for any fucking reason?

Because I like to know what basis people have for their reads? I dunno about the rest of you, but it helps me develop reads.

[DOMO]

vote catboi

[DOMO]

You know I'm aggressive.

The post was about Lucky.

Oh. You find lucky's posts aggressive?

[DOMO]

I just consider his posts to be fluff, not town or scummy. I don't get the remotest hint of agression personally. How do you feel about catboi?

[DOMO]

To be fair, your account name wasn't called offensive. :/

Have you played with catboi before?

Scumfuck is my favourite of your hydra names so far!

I don't think I've played catboi, though I might have in my early rev days. I feel like AH's fos at me is more town motivated than catboi's lurk and vote style, which is why I'm towning AH and scumreading catboi.

[DOMO]

Your playstyle is pretty aggressive. I can see why you'd be getting backs up, especially in a game that starts at what is potentially the day before LYLO.

This is the smallest game I've played, I had to stop and crunch the numbers to see that you're right here.

I don't even mean to be aggressive, it's not my intent, it's just how I come across because I'm persistent.

ffery you've given me no reason for concern yet, which makes me happy.

[DOMO]

Accusations of being "lurky" in what amounted to RVS are laughable. Forcing things much? :3

I didn't accuse you of being lurky, I said it seemed you were being lurky. My language was deliberately careful, I'm aware that it's pretty silly to make such a judgement after 1 page. But you made two posts - first post of the game and then you vote for me after I join a page in. You dodged the p1 chit chat despite knowing the game had started. Thus, you seem lurky, or at least you did based on those two posts. I could be wrong, I have no idea about you meta, but I don't like that you're twisting my language to suggest I made a direct accusation when I was merely posting what I thought about those who were in. Your vote on me seemed opportunistic because it could be interpreted as waiting for someone else to point the finger, maybe a potential town leader, so you could justify a non RVS vote. I'm seeing potential scum motivation there.

The tone of the post seemed a bit exaggerated to me as well (as did DOMO's entrance, actually).

I don't really know how I'm supposed to defend against "exaggerated".

I'll address DOMO tomorrow.

The sooner the better really. I'm finding it pretty difficult to settle in because I'm on the defensive already.

[DOMO]

lucky, do you have an opinion on the current game state? Because you seem interested in people's opinion of you, without drawing any conclusions to their motives.

Do you have any reads?

[DOMO]

Yes, there's a difference.

"You are being lurky" is a direct, fixed accusation.
"You seem lurky" is an observation open to interpretation.

You're proving to me that you're not lurky. So instead of focussing on my language, how about responding to the vote on me after AH waved his finger at me? Can you understand why I find this opportunistic?

[DOMO]

I'm being opportunistic on a joke fos in RVS. Okay.

Read my 3rd post. I don't think it was a joke.

[DOMO]

Why are you feeling so defensive? You're only at L-2 at the moment and the only other folks (aside from our slot) who've indicated they might want to lynch you, are already voting you.

Your entrance vote put mastin and I at L-1. I heard you when you said you had to do mental calculations on potential lylo tomorrow - I'm just surprised you didn't even think about the impact of a speedmislynch in such a small game. Or did you?

Why so defensive? I'm not used to being under immediate pressure. And no, I did not realise that I put you guys at L-1, I usually play large games and it just didn't occur to me that we could lynch so fast until ffery pointed out it's potentially lylo tomorrow. I see now why my first post was so bad.

Unless we just lynch Domo first that is. Which could happen cause that guy is totes scum.

This is unnerving. Farmerfish, right? I have no idea who you are, thus I don't expect you to know me. So why are you scumreading me so soon?

Well I was most interested in your gleeful enthusiasm for a lynch. My own inclination is to be very careful about voting. It seems like you've already decided DOMO is scum.

Indeed.

Domo will be run up in normal fashion, leading him to claim and we will make the decision (royal we) on what to do next.

Already thinking about my claim.

AH is looking town. Can't say the same about messiah.

[DOMO]

unvote

I'm liking catboi a little more than messiah right now.

[DOMO]

Since when does town need to think about a claim? You claim the role you were given.

I'm pointing out that MC is thinking about my claim already. He seems eager.

[DOMO]

Quoted reasoning- you are finding fault with catperson for being opportunistic when you are voting the only person yet to post in the game.

Seems strange you'd type something longer than his actual name in jest. It doesn't feel natural, feels more like "hey I can't remember his name, that guy" sort of misdirection.

Yeah I'm gonna say it's catboi and MS. They're voting together, both for AH in RVS and for me now. If they can act town enough and draw enough attention to their target then maybe it's a reasonable strat in a micro.

vote MS

[DOMO]

lol

vote MC

[DOMO]

I see what you're getting at now geists with the claim comment. Read my ISO in xeno and tell me how many times you find the word "claim". I started to look for stuff to show you it's null, and after something like 10 in the first 5 posts I figure the evidence is compelling that this it's just my language.

My point was that he is thinking in terms of running people into claims.

[DOMO]

geists = ffery, sorry I'll try not to make that slip!

[DOMO]

You weren't as much of a dick then

I'm being a dick? Talk me through this.

[DOMO]

you'd be pinging pretty hard for other reasons about now.

Talk me through this too.

[DOMO]

@Domo- First, its Formerfish

And yeah I know you now. I don't want to get into shit slinging. I do not intend to be a dick, so please don't interpret my comments as such.

[DOMO]

Strong reactions as the remnants of RVS fade away catch my attention. Since we've played a couple games in the past, I have a sense of your baseline reactivity. In a player I didn't know, I'd be pretty focused on figuring out what was up and would probably have pulled a few ISOs to look at some of your RVS transitions in other games.

Ok. It seemed like your previous post at me was a fos, but this feels like you're still trying to sort me.

Oh man... Forgot this game existed for a minute.

I'm liking lucky less and less.

why are Desperado and Formerfish's names spelled wrong on the opening post?

Ah this is where I picked up farmerfish. See ff, it wasn't me who got your name wrong. Apology accepted.

[DOMO]

lol that's gonna be the 2014 mafiascum buzzword

[DOMO]

mashing f5 waiting for bert to post his catch up post...

cmon it's only five pages and you've had over ten minutes already.

[DOMO]

Wow. I'm feeling gut town with ffery. I don't necessarily hate your vote but pinging everywhere? You're gonna have to do more than that.

vote bert

[DOMO]

bert totally ignored my vote. No defence, no attack, nothing. I find that strange. You'd think he'd at least want to show me what comments ffery has made that ping. My vote can stay where it is.

[DOMO]

I like how this comes after I admit a willingness to vote Domo. Not so good OMGUS-FOS here.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise that from the instant you fos'd me that you became out of bounds for me to vote for.

You've ignored me when I asked for your reads. Funny how you don't ignore me when I vote for you.

[DOMO]

Funny how you don't ignore me when I vote for you.

fos you I mean.

I've just woke up.

[DOMO]

Were you going somewhere with this?

Yes, the suggestion was that your priority was to run people into a claim, rather than a more town motivated view of pressuring and reaction baiting. If the cop is forced to claim, both cop and doc are rendered useless. Scum will be well aware of this of course, and so I would expect scum to be thinking about claims more than town.

And no I don't think I did take more than 30 seconds spewing that other post out. It's what I thought at the time. Often I'll post something and then when I look back I think "hmm not so sure about that now", but whatever, the reactions interest me all the same.

But generally like your wall there, it makes me feel somewhat better about you. I agree catboi's backing off me looks town, and your list looks ok to me, not far off where I'm at. I have AH and scumfuck as likely town, you and catboi as maybe scum and lucky and bert as likely scum.

[DOMO]

Scumfuck (L-3): Lucky2u, Bert

Yeah pretty happy with scumfuck as town. It would surprise me if both scums are on the same terrible wagon, so I think we're looking at one scum here and one on lucky. This could be tricky.

[DOMO]

-DOMO - so you think if Lucky is scum, he's definitely being bussed?

I'm obviously not definite, but it wouldn't surprise me. Having said that, I misread the VC, I thought you weren't voting and MC was on lucky, not the other way round. I don't think you're scum, and while catboi is not a town read, I'm not hating him as much as I did. So I'm far from convinced.

I'm just trying to get my head around half of the stuff you're saying and am not really feeling a consistency or clear progression of thought. It feels like, to make sense, your play would need to be majority reaction-baiting, and I don't think that fits with 'defensive'.

I'm not being consistent. I don't worry about consistency as either alignment.

And my play is majority reaction-baiting, again regardless of alignment. I don't feel like I'm on the defensive so much any more. I think the reason I was so defensive early on is because not only was I being accused right off the bat, but there was little for me to analyse, so I wasn't really able to attack anyone, leaving defence dominant. In a large game this wouldn't be the case. Micros are easier to keep up with but there's definitely a different early game feel to it.

analyzing wagons like that in a 7 player game when the largest wagon is 2 deep is beyond useless, you realize

Probably. It's even more useless when I can't even analyse it properly.

[DOMO]

Now both heads of this hydra want to vote you.

I'm surprised you didn't feel this way after bert ignored beli's post. There appears no willingess to reassess his scumread based on what's being posted. He's not arguing that the hydra dump is manipulated to look town, but he's left his vote there. Lucky has also left his vote there. Scumfuck is very probably town and the votes on them are awful.

My problem is that it all seems a little easy to say it's bert and lucky. I doubt that's the case. I suspect there's one between the two, while the other is between catboi and MC.

Pretty happy with scumfuck and AH though, if either of these two are scum we're in trouble.

I'm not sure who I prefer to lynch today, lucky or bert. I certainly don't think we should be closing this day out any time soon. We need more from bert and lucky before we make a decision imo.

@bert & lucky - please post a full reads list soon.

[DOMO]

@bert & lucky - please post a full reads list soon.

[DOMO]

PAGETOP,

BITCHES.

Scumfuck (L-2): Lucky2u, Bert
Lucky2u(L-2): Adaptive Heap, catboi
Bert (L-3): DOMO

Not Voting: Scumfuck, Messiah Complex
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

We're still here, ftr.

[DOMO]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DOMO

Not a very good post

Ok this vote is actually quite significant, I didn't realise how much so at the time. Catboi took AH off L-1 here, meaning if AH is town scum couldn't snaphammer, which seems like a viable tactic in a micro. The other vote on AH other than mine was MC, so catboi I think can only be scum with AH or MC (or me I guess), otherwise he probably leaves his AH vote up for at least some time to see if his buddy hammers. Seeing as it looks like there's at least one between lucky and bert, I'm townreading catboi pretty hard based on this vote.

I'm down to lucky bert and MC, with MC easily the most town of the three.

AH scumfuck and catboi all looking good.

[DOMO]

That's ignoring the fact that scum would be effectively committing suicide if they snap hammered on a lynch. This has already been visited, not sure why you devoted such a post to wifomy bullshit.

Where has it been visited? I thought I'd read everything, clearly not if this subject has been touched upon further than "it's potentially lylo tomorrow".

Why wouldn't scum commit suicide by snaphammering? Do you think one for one is a better trade for town than scum in this format? Because I'm not so sure about that.

[DOMO]

Oh yeah I remember that post. It's a bit vague though, doesn't go into detail so I forgot about it.

I was looking at it from a different perspective... scum need two mislynches to win, so I considered that scum will suicide hammer if they think town gets lynched on final day. It'll get to 2-1 on final day, not 3-1, assuming no doc saves. But you're right... that's not actually that bad, especially since that's worst case scenario. Throw in the reasonable chance of PRs blocking a kill or copping the last scum, and I think I'm wrong to consider it a viable tactic.

In this setup a snap hammer as scum is probably viable, but I honestly wasn't even thinking of the possibility when i voted there, and I doubt many people would be. Not really a great thing to draw a conclusion from.

There's not much else to draw conclusions from, this game is slow. The question I'm asking myself now is, would you discredit my townread on you if you're scum? I think you could if my townread is sufficiently weak that you know it's not gonna influence anyone, but you admit to being a new player and I wonder if a noob would be that smart. This post of yours seems pretty damn sincere, so I'm still happy you're town.

[DOMO]

Can you give a brief rehash of why our slot and Scumfuck's slot are town please?
I can see you've given some reason for changing your read on catboi more recently, but your stance-switching has been pinging me pretty hard and I feel like you're towning players too readily and confidently for the wrong reasons.

Well you're town because you have yet to ping even once, nothing I have seen from you yet has concerned me. You're pressing people and appear to be actively scumhunting, your paranoia seems natural.

Scumfuck is a little more complicated. I was "townreading" scumfuck earlier as a reaction test, the "I see nothing of concern" comment in particular. I wanted to see if ffery was happy to be townread from me. She seems indifferent. I feel like ffery's interaction with me has been a little less than I expected, I would have expected her to press me in an effort to sort me, and I was beginning to become concerned about scumfuck. However, that hydra dump from beli, along with lucky and bert's votes, gave me renewed confidence that they are town.

I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed. And at the risk of annoying people with self meta, me towning people (or scumreading) on thin grounds should not surprise you.

You say I'm towning people for the wrong reasons. Well, I don't think you ever explained your early townread on catboi other than to say his posting was more town than mine, and you'll explain later. Did you explain? Because I don't recall you doing so. You're pointing the finger at me for doing something you did.

catboi I've got a gut-townread on.

All he had done at this stage is post first. How are you towning people any less easily than I am?

Also, lol at lurky/opportunistic on first day of game opening, especially when catboi was among the first giving attempts at content and did so entirely separate of others.

Posting once is an attempt at giving content?

I take it back, I do have reason to be concerned about you. It's not that you're towning people easily, it's that you're then suggesting when someone else does it that it's scummy. Which seems highly opportunistic.

[DOMO]

Woah this game livened up somewhat.

ffery's method of leaving me is actually the opposite of alarming. Thinking more, I doubt very much she'd mix her game up in such a manner if she drew scum, more likely she'd try and play to her town meta, which means fake sorting me for a start, and probably anyone else who knows her.

Do you think you are top contender for being night killed?

This is a dumb question. How can I know this? What I do know is that I am town, thus I am indeed a potential nightkill. Top target? I do not know who scum are, how accurate my reads are, how accurate other townie's reads are, who the scum think is cop, etc. Throw in WIFOM and there's every chance I get killed tonight. I've been taken out n1 as claimed miller before (albeit miller tracker). If I'm on form, I'm a threat to scum for sure, so yes of course I could be tonight's kill.

At the moment I just see you going - "eh, this person is probs town, that person is probs scum, no wait, the person who I thought was scum before is now town because *insert single post reason* etc.

Hi, I'm DOMO, you might know me as rev. It's not unusual for me to base my reads on thin grounds, or for me to reconsider. All the more likely when it's a micro averaging a page a day, rather than a large averaging a page every hour. There's a lot less for me to work with here than I'm used to, so it should probably concern you more if I'm not all over the place.

Seriously you have Messiah as town? Why is that?

I am not townreading MC. My comment "easily the towniest" was in comparison to bert and lucky, although that opinion has shifted somewhat.

I am feeling like AH, SF and CB are town. Scum is in {Lucky, Domo, Bert}.

I agree with the townreads, catboi less so but let's accept for a minute he's town with SF and AH. That leaves me, MC, bert and lucky. I don not think both bert and lucky are scum because otherwise I think they would recognise they are staring defeat in the face and would make efforts to save the game. Thus, I think MC is scum with one of bert/lucky.

VOTE: Messiah Complex

This is a good vote.

Vote: Adaptive Heap

This is not. MC has abandoned his townread on AH, this vote is an ugly OMGUS.

One vote with legitimate concerns. Insta-flail.

Agree.

vote MC

[DOMO]

Unofficial VC.

Scumfuck (L-2): Lucky2u, Bert
Messiah Complex (L-2): Adaptive Heap, DOMO
Lucky2u(L-3): catboi
Adaptive Heap (L-3): Messiah Complex


Not Voting: Scumfuck
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

[DOMO]

unvote

Gotte be legit, why would scum fakeclaim doc and not cop? Real doc can counterclaim and it's no huge loss to town.

vote bert

I think this is best for today.

[DOMO]

PEdit: Bert is not best for today. Who is Bert's partner if it's not Adaptive? And if you agree that it's Bert/Adaptive then we murder the strong scum first.

I don't know, I just feel that bert is more likely to flip scum and if mislynch is less of a loss. I'll consider your bert/AH theory later, I'm going out soon.

[DOMO]

Ok I can see AH/bert scum. At the end of page 1, AH announces there's scum between me and masky (bert), the two people yet to post, and he's leaning me. I then make my opening posts, and AH doesn't like them. Fair enough, but when bert enters with a scumfuck vote, AH welcomes him. MC's theory that AH was goading him into an L-1 vote for bert to hammer is reasonable, although I wouldn't call it compelling. Bert would get snaplynched tomorrow and AH might have to defend himself against accusations of goading MC into voting lucky, so it would be a risky scum strategy. I can see it though because I believe AH would feel confident enough as scum that they would be able to fend off the arguments.

I understand the concept of taking out the strongest scum. But I think that's outweighed by the uncertainty factor and that we should go for who would be the weakest townie as a damage limitation exercise. I think if AH is town he'll process night information better than a town bert, a bert townflip means we can reassess AH, while a bert scumflip means it's highly likely that AH gets lynched tomorrow, regardless of how strong he is as scum.

So while I can see bert/AH scum, I stand by my comment that bert is best for today.

[DOMO]

It feels a bit like you're trying to steer today's lynch off Lucky by way of presenting our slot and Bert as the two alternatives.

So - are you townreading Lucky now? Or do you just have a stronger scumread on our slot?

I'm not even sure if I do have a scumread on your slot. A scumread of mine just proved himself to be town, and he has what appears to me a reasonable theory that you and bert are scum. I've had a scumread on bert and townread on you through most of this day, thus bert is my preference, and I reassess tomorrow based on his flip and the NK. As for lucky, nothing has changed because lucky isn't posting. I've seen no reason to consider him town and tbh I'm hoping he just gets replaced.

I think MC's case is a little thin, because it requires scum to be somewhat blatant, so much so that one scum definitely dies and the other has to explain himself. But throw in your displeasure with me for my entrance while giving bert a clean pass, and I certainly find the idea interesting.

I think scum will take chances to get a mislynch today. A mislynch today means a cop guilty cannot be relied upon tomorrow, because it could be scum going for the win. If there's a cc, it could be real cop or scum gambit.

So I can see it. To answer your question, I don't know who I think is more likely scum out of you and lucky. It's hard to refine my read on lucky when he doesn't post, that read remains a vague scumread while my read on you fluctuates because you're involved in the action.

[DOMO]

As town I usually speak too much and get lynched.

So as town you talk too much... why are you so quiet here then?

[DOMO]

I'm mobile and it is too hard to trim this post by concerning the part addressed at me... Why did you answer that post Domo? I was talking to scumfuck with that question.

And I'm talking to AH, not you.

[DOMO]

Um no... You were quoting me and addressing me.

Which question are you referring to?

[DOMO]

I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed.

Do you think you are top contender for being night killed?

Oh yeah you quotefailed.

You were quoting me here, not scumfuck.

I'll reassess all my townreads tomorrow, assuming I'm not lynched/killed.

So I answered because I thought it was directed at me. I have no idea how you managed to quote me as scumfuck.

[DOMO]

DOMO I don't understand anything that you are saying.

Vote: DOMO

You're obfuscating your words by making it mumble jumble.

This must be scum. Surely town would find more reason than this to vote me.

[DOMO]

You call me scum without directly addressing me. It's like talking around me.

Are you calling me scum for not directly addressing you? Haha that's quite funny. This is the first time you've actually acknowledged someone who has been scumreading you since you joined. Hi bert.

[DOMO]

I am unsure about DOMO again.

It's interesting that this coincides with me losing a townread on you. I think maybe MC is onto something. You're scum with bert, and you're trying to promote myself and lucky as the required mislynches.

Lucky looks better with recent posts.

bert just continues to convince me he's scum. There's literally no effort going into his posts, he's pretty much trolling. I think he's easily today's best lynch. He's probably scum, and if not then he's liability town. He needs rope today.

[DOMO]

Lucky looks better with recent posts.

how?

It's better than what he's being doing so far, would you not agree? This AH/bert line is of influence too. I'm seeing a little more town motivation is lucky's posts, and a little less in AH's.

[DOMO]

Do you follow MC's logic?

[DOMO]

Now you have DOMO and lucky both going along with a faulty argument

Yet I'm not voting you. I've made it clear that I feel bert is the better lynch. Why are you so worried? It seems like you're expecting a bert scum flip and thus can't wait until tomorrow to rant about how wrong MC is. Let's assume bert dies today and flips scum. Wouldn't you expect that would make you a prime cop target? Why wouldn't you just quietly wait until tomorrow hoping for a bert scumflip and a cop clear? It seems like your priority is to clear your name today, you can't wait. I don't think you want to encourage the cop to look at you in the event of a bert scumflip.

I think MC is right.

[DOMO]

not unvoting

[DOMO]

No-one's going to counterclaim because you're scum and will get lynched without the need for a counterclaim. If you are actually cop, you're useless now anyway.

[DOMO]

So you're expecting protection now then?

[DOMO]

Nice scum claim. Cop is macho cop, gets no protection, you'd know that if you were actually cop.

[DOMO]

Did you not get this role pm?

Town Macho Cop

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Macho Cop.

Abilities:

Each night phase, you may investigate one player in the game by PM'ing the mod. You will get results back in the form of Town, Mafia or No Result.
You know you are guaranteed to be sane.
You cannot be protected from nightkills.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

[DOMO]

Well this changes things. Your trying to get us to lynch the cop claim with no counter? This does not make sense.

Do you actually believe that claim? jfc. If he's cop, he's dead tonight anyway. There's very little scum motivation in trying to get an outed macho cop lynched, especially one who claims to be a normal cop.

[DOMO]

Remember that I am a late replacement

I'm still not buying it, but this is not entirely worthless.

unvote

At least until we have some more discussion.

Assuming this is indeed a fakeclaim, real cop should not counterclaim in any hurry.

[DOMO]

So why are you getting us to do the scum's dirty work?

What makes you think we're doing the scum's dirty work?

I do not think this claim is worth shit. It's blatantly an attempt to draw out the real cop before he gets lynched.

[DOMO]

Ok, but that assumes Bert saw his lynch as a certainty. With two other likely lynch targets, I don't buy that hey would run this gambit as scum.

Scumfuck has already said that their vote is likely going on to bert, and with just a few days left, his lynch seemed inevitable. He's done nothing pro-town, has basically trolled his way to a cop claim days from lynch. If he's scum, then he claims cop, that much I'm sure of. Yes, if he's cop he also claims cop, but I would like to think he would be aware of the dynamics of his own role. If he's cop he hasn't even read his role pm. I just don't see that happening very often at all. Worst case scenario is, like you say, we do the scum's dirty work by killing him. That's the worst case scenario and one I find incredibly unlikely given bert's posts up to now.

[DOMO]

This, though. A town player might not catch the significance of it being a hohum variant.

This slipped past me, I just saw the doctor comment and saw that as a scumslip.

Do you think macho cop ever thinks he's normal cop?

[DOMO]

I played in a chat-style quick vengeful game with Bert on another site and he didn't read his role pm well enough to realize that scum lost if the godfather was lynched. He replaced in and he voted his teammate (godfather) when he joined the game and put him at L-1.

Ok, so bert can not read his role pm.

The question now is, why would the cop sit back and troll his way through d1 when it's bringing him heat? Would a cop not recognise that this is a bad strategy and pull his finger out? Bert can do more than what he's doing here, especially if he's important to the town. I see nothing town motivated from bert, nothing at all. I can't see this claim being legit. It's pretty much forced if he's scum, and it doesn't make sense if he's cop because all he's been doing is attracting suspicion.

I want to kill bert without the need for a cc. Let scum decide if I was softclaiming or not.

[DOMO]

DOMO, I was reaction testing throughout D1.

Well it was nice of you to share the reads you got from the reactions. Kindly link the post where you post your reads.

Talking straight numbers, bert is 2x more likely to be scum than cop, assuming he always fakeclaims cop in this spot, which seems reasonable. Factor in bert's posts, and I'm happy to take the chance. A non-bert mislynch today can get very messy for us tomorrow, we won't know what claims to believe. At worst we lynch the cop and remove that claim from scum. At best we've got one left to find and the cop is still active.

Yeah I think bert should go today.

vote bert

[DOMO]

What?

[DOMO]

But I could be fucked to check the set up. You're assuming I'm scum because I know the set up? Or because I don't believe bert?

[DOMO]

I'm at L-1 by the way. Remove your fucking vote please.

[DOMO]

And yet he didn't say "what the fuck my role PM doesn't look like that".

This. Scum can quickhammer. Remove your vote and talk to me MC, you can vote back if you're still unconvinced.

[DOMO]

I'm assuming you're scum because you are blatantly counterclaiming without saying it and then WIFOMing the rest. So you're either the cop or you're scum trying to get us to mislynch Bert.

I was not counterclaiming. I left that comment as deliberate WIFOM for the scum. If you want me to claim, I will, but right now I am town, nothing more.

[DOMO]

MC -

The question now is, why would the cop sit back and troll his way through d1 when it's bringing him heat? Would a cop not recognise that this is a bad strategy and pull his finger out? Bert can do more than what he's doing here, especially if he's important to the town. I see nothing town motivated from bert, nothing at all. I can't see this claim being legit. It's pretty much forced if he's scum, and it doesn't make sense if he's cop because all he's been doing is attracting suspicion.

I have one uncompleted ongoing game with bert, nothing more. Do you think that bert can play like this as cop? Because I haven't a fucking clue. However, the fact he has offsite experience with ffery (I assume) makes me think that's he's hardly village idiot.

He's scum, I don't see how it's not obvious to everyone.

[DOMO]

lol that vote didn't come up in pedit

[DOMO]

I wonder what AH makes of all this.

[DOMO]

DO NOT LYNCH BERT UNLESS THERE IS A COUNTER CLAIM. IF YOU CC BERT, DO IT TODAY SO WE GET A GUARANTEED SCUM LYNCH TIA~

pfft

Can people stop making it obvious they're not cop? Thanks.

[DOMO]

I still think just lynch bert. I really think he's fos. I've been scumreading him all game and that hasn't changed with his spewy claim. I'm not confident in any other lynch, and if we mislynch today leaving bert alive, we're in a mess tomorrow, regardless of his alignment. If we lynch the cop today, then at least scum can't fakeclaim it later. We'd be left with two to find over two days using nothing but deduction. That's an acceptable worst case scenario afaic.

[DOMO]

Lucky2u(L-2): Adaptive Heap, catboi
DOMO (L-2): Bert, lucky2u
Bert (L-2): DOMO, Messiah Complex

Not Voting: Scumfuck
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

Appx. 24 hours or so till deadline.

This post was over 24 hours ago. How long have we got?

[DOMO]

Oh wait I'm posting in ET... I think deadline is imminent guys, like next hour or two.

[DOMO]

That is approx 7.5 hours from the time of this post unless I fail at time zone math.

I had a tiemzone fail, but jiffy's 24 hours approx notice was posted at 10.55am ET, while your last post was 9.38am ET. If we're to assume EXACTLY 24 hours, we have 1 hr 15 mins left. I don't know what jiffy's idea of approx is. Where you getting 7.5 hours from?

[DOMO]

We don't see bert and lucky as a viable scumteam, btw. One or the other. There are several reasons for this. One is the conviction that bert's town. If bert is town, then Lucky-scum goes up a notch. The other reason for thinking they aren't scum together is that I can't really picture the scum-sense in both of them parking their vote on us for as long as they did if they're a scumteam.

I agree with this. I don't really want to be forced to hammer lucky, which is why I'm concerned about deadline. If there's just me and scumfuck online before deadline, we can only lynch me or lucky.

[DOMO]

Oh for fuck's sake I read you post but didn't read the jiffy quote.

I think we have 10 hrs.

[DOMO]

I have no idea what time zone my account is set in, but it's not ET. ffs I'll fix that now, I'll set it to GMT. I think it's set in DJD's timezone from our brief hydra.

scumfuck is right, 7 hrs. Sorry.

[DOMO]

Holy sheepshit self hammer. Well that's not a cop, is it?

We're in good shape here, he didn't force a cc. We can win this overnight now.

[DOMO]

Nope! You're not scum either, though. There's basically one scum between DOMO/Scumfuck/catboi/Lucky2u. I'm still doing my analysis, but catboi seems town to me (and talah), and talah likes DOMO for town (I sorta lean that way) and Scumfuck is probably town so I'm thinking that Lucky2u is scum as well.

Feels like he's leaving himself short of options here, if he's bert's buddy. He's setting himself up for a final day hard 180 on someone, which is not gonna look good. I don't see AH towning three people if he's scum.

idk, let's see what happens overnight.

[DOMO]

So mastin and I have managed to have the briefest of discussions overnight.

This is our current status:

Messiah is doc
Scumfuck is town
DOMO is probably town
catboi is likely town

VOTE: Lucky2u

You're not gonna wait to see who the doc saved?

Assuming scum didn't get copped, we have cop, his clear, doc, and doc's clear, right? Why you so eager?

[DOMO]

Cop should wait. If cop looked at the same person who doc saved, don't claim.

Messiah should claim his save before cop claims.

[DOMO]

Unless you think Messiah docced Lucky, then no, I don't think an L-3 vote on the most likely remaining scum is hasty.

Well "most likely remaining scum" is a matter of opinion. I'm probably voting you.

[DOMO]

Cool. Now we wait for everyone to post. If cop doesn't claim, we have to assume cop looked at catboi and we're not quite won yet.

[DOMO]

Pfft.

vote DOMO

I have no idea why scumfuck didn't die last night.

gg guys.

[DOMO]

Get on with it.

[DOMO]

If MC actually saved scumfuck and lied about saving catboi, that is one awesome gambit. It occured to me after I posted, but it's unlikely. That bell curve mechanic utterly confused me and I assume that's the reason I've lost.

AH being cop also fucked me, I'd be up against catboi on final day.

[DOMO]

The scum QT is a hoot. You can all laugh as I kill scumfuck, then decide to kill noone thinking MC saves me, then realise it's stupid to not kill, then be told that both the no kill and rescind were too late and my original scumfuck kill was accepted... then find out scumfuck didn't die.

Oh the lulz.

[DOMO]

Also, I'm miller.

[DOMO]

Actually you could let me win as a reward for bussing bert so hard.

vote AH

[DOMO]

lol at anyone not realizing AH was the cop

I thought scumfuck was cop. Explanation in the scum QT.

[DOMO]

i could almost see thinking domo was cop if the mod hadn't literally confirmed him as non-cop

THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU DOC SAVE ME AND MAKE ME CONFTOWN YOU UTTER BASTARD

[DOMO]

Oh yeah because MC is doc, sorry I'm tired.

[DOMO]

trolllalalalalololololololol

Hurry up and kill me

[DOMO]

[DOMO]

I'll cry. I still think I lose vs catboi.

[DOMO]

Well played Domo, night actions were your down fall.

I probably shouldn't have been so bus happy. It was actually really close yesterday, I suspect bert was actively lurking and would've quickhammered anyonone but me, and there was a serious chance lucky gets put on L-1. Had we got a mislynch yesterday, then it's a pretty simple win for us. When he claimed cop he gave me the chance to back off him, but I felt the distance between us was sufficient that if I dodged the cop and doc then I win.

I'm not sure what happened last night, jiffy was being deliberately vague when I asked so idk. I probably should've played out today to see what happens, but I was pretty dejected after missing the kill and AH's claim left me with no desire to fight any more.

I'll post QT as soon as jiffy catches up.

vote DOMO

[DOMO]

Night 1 DOMO submitted his action so early that his accuracy greatly decreased and his shot missed.

Oh. Remind me to never play a game with bell curve again. It sucks to lose like that. catboi shouldn't be cleared, but because it appears he's attacked, he's seen as clear.

scumfuck, I didn't roleblock anyone because only one action allowed. By bussing bert I removed my roleblock, but that works in my favour in terms of it being less likely to see scum bus the other.

My kill was good, had it not been for the insta post in the QT. I'm more than happy for the cop to clear a dead townie, of course.

QT - http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/WxWFQehRiJw

[DOMO]

Bert, did I piss you off? Sorry about that.

[DOMO]

Well anyway domo you shouldn't have given up but uh gg I guess~

My lynch tomorrow is inevitable. Granted, lucky was likely to go today and I can at least get to final day, but it's futile and is basically wasting my time and everyone else's.

I'll fight with a 1% chance of success, but not 0%.

[DOMO]

Interesting game, anyway. I thought you played pretty damn well there DOMO, to the extent that I gave you at least a bit of towncred for *maybe* suggesting that you were cop in order to town-wifom the nightkill rather than leaving me and the big guy overexposed.

Yeah I do this WIFOM shit as town, and as scum I'm constantly trying to mimic my town game. That's why the bullshit with scumfuck, towning her to then claim reaction test. That's precisely the kind of thing I'd do as town, reaction test people I have trouble reading without even knowing what reaction I'm looking for. I was also trying to draw the doc save, aware that the bert scumflip makes me look good, and a target for scum too if town. I considered the idea of not killing way before n1 started. It's funny, had the doc saved me instead then the bell curve mechanic would've won it for me instead of lost! I wanted to point out that the bell curve thing might mean catboi isn't conftown, but there's no way I'm winning final day vs him regardless, and I wasn't even sure that's what happened. I just didn't know, I never stopped to think about the implications of the mechanic and just played as normal.

I enjoyed this game a lot, and am happy that I was being towned enough to not be a serious lynch target for today. Even when it appeared to be between me and lucky, lucky was the target. So I'm happy with my performance, I just wish I wasn't so fast to bold my kill, and bussing bert might have been a little hasty. I prob should back off him when he claims cop. I got a little carried away there.

Cheers for modding jiffy.

[DOMO]

What? Closest to the peak and my accuracy is lowest? I haven't a clue. How the fuck does one get high accuracy? Count me out of the next one if you're using this again. I'll be in for any standard games you run. Thanks again.

[quote]Entertaining round anyways, although I definitely derived far more amusement from our hydra name than a grown man in his thirties ought to.[/b]

I'm in my thrities but I would hardly call myself a grown man. I'm a groww child. I love your hydra name.

[DOMO]

Nice quote fail. You get the idea.

[DOMO]

You didn't piss me off at all! I was rooting for you and reading the QT's during the night! <3

I'm glad you don't mind being bussed, I just wish I hadn't messed up with this bell curve crap, I suppose I should've asked for clarity on that as soon as I got my role pm.

[DOMO]

I'm not sure I do anything different if I do understand the mechanic... I mean it's random, right? So how can you strategise around a random event?

[DOMO]

I just wanna knoes how you ended up with such a shitty accuracy being so close to the peak.

Yeah this is something that I'm curious about too. The fact that I tried to take out the cop's investigation means I'm in pretty good shape if I hit, although the required two mislynches was gonna be tough after AH claims cop. And I'm not killing him n2 unless he claims d2, so he might look at me if I have a bad d2, thus I don't think it's in the bag for me under normal conditions. I think I need to get catboi mislynched final day, which is gonna be tough as hell.

[DOMO]

Also, I considered not killing anyone, but it totally didn't occur to me to roleblock instead of kill. That was a stupid oversight. Not killing is viable if I use my roleblocker.

[DOMO]

Basically this was a test run for the mechanic. I was hoping it'd come more into play, but I think it should work to a decent extent, as long as the players remember that it's fucking part of the setup. *angry glare*

I'm only annoyed because I lost. Don't give me angry glares. Give random.org an angry glare for killing the game on n1!

It's an interesting mechanic, but I don't like it because it removes a huge part of scum strategy and replaces it with chance. It's a RNG that decided if I win or lose, which is not the reason I play mafia. I want to win or lose by being good or shit, not lucky or unlucky. Which is why I won't involve myself in such games in future. But I do think it's a workable mechanic. There's probably an optimal time to play, which is likely to be half way. I'm guessing, I'd be interested in the opinion of someone who is capable of and can be bothered to run a proper mathematical evaluation of this mechanic. And I'll probably watch your next micro if I notice it running, in fact if you pm me to let me know I can be a dead thread guest, so keep me informed of future games if you can be bothered.