The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Tierce]

"And let me make this as forced as possible!"

VOTE: xRECKONERx

[Tierce]

VOTE: xRECKONERx

CHOOO CHOOOOOO!

Didn't realize we'd be getting a special visit from "wrong as fuck like always"-Tierce. This should be fun!

"Wrong as fuck like always" who nailed Fate as you called him Town. This should be fun!

It's okay, if an RVS vote bothers you that much we can keep on lynching you!

[Tierce]

I can do the song and dance thing~

I don't care if you don't know the flavor. No one cares other than as an academical point of not being interested in cool Tolkien cosmogony/ancient Middle Earth war stories/breaking Plum's heart. Posting about it is pointless and I called you out on that with a vote because it's page 1 and I don't care...? You're throwing a fuss, insulting me and self-voting, why?

[Tierce]

If you're going to tell me you're incapable of looking up names and events online, I'm going to flip a table, Reck. The roles even link to wikipedia, though I prefer Tolkien Gateway because pedantry.

Yes, the non-caps version would have been better. Look it up or ignore it or whatever, don't go LOOK AT ME I DON'T KNOW THE FLAVOR TOTALLY NOT MY FAULT IF ETC. That was what felt forced. Yeah, it's minor. Yeah, it's enough for a first page vote, and your reaction was overblown. Why the insult and self-vote over me voting you?

[Tierce]

I really don't get why people sign up for Large Themes with flavor they aren't at least cursorily familiar with.

VOTE: xRECKONERx

I will be starting the Silmarillion on the plane tomorrow.

Fly safe.

But the book you picked out is the wrong one for this flavor, or at least it's incomplete--The Silmarillion's version of the Fall ends as Tuor arrives at Gondolin. For the complete description of events related to this game, you'll want The Book of Lost Tales 2.

And now you all know~

[Tierce]

Reck--"wanting to see how it goes" still doesn't explain the pointless insult. Why, especially if you know I can get quite riled up about that kind of thing

as Town

? Why add to the noise?


SpyreX's reaction isn't surprising. And--if I didn't say it then, I'm saying it now, Spy: I'm sorry. It was painful to see it from the outside, but I

do

get into :justice: mode far too much.

ANYWAY.

lolreactions is and will always be stupid and etc.


I'd have expected some sort of commentary about me by now, CES. Your vote on Reck was your typical RVS, but why didn't you reply to chamber when he started talking about it? Also, what's with Post 134, and what do you think of chamber not recognizing the first vote for what it was?

[Tierce]

I want to see where the natirasha wagon goes though. CES why are you not voting natirasha? Tierce why arey ou not voting natirasha? Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Because I'm trying to actually play the game and read people instead of going after idiotic commentary, otherwise I'd be voting you and a handful of others.

[Tierce]

I saw it the first time. When I have an answer you'll be the first to know.

[Tierce]

Tierce I won't forgot that you promised to come up with a better scum than Reck. Don't back out and keep vote parking !

That's cute, but I didn't "promise" anything. If I wanted to be voting someone else I would be voting someone else.

[Tierce]

I don't necessarily want you to vote someone else (well, I would want you to vote esp or nat but not if you don't see the case on them). I want you to SCUMHUNT, Tierce. And I want you to start scumhunting as quick as possible !

Is nat scum? Still haven't answered that
Is esp scum? New question
Why is reck scum? Is reck even scum? Also new questions.

Answer !

I am scumhunting, thank you very much. Now if you would back off and let me do my thing without stupid questions

about the person I'm actually voting

, that'd be mightily appreciated. I give reads in my own time and not because you ask for them in a half-arsed way. I'd actually like to have a go at reading GOOD players, and you're doing your damnedest to be a distraction.

[Tierce]

Shut up.

[Tierce]

(Give me an hour and I'll be here scrolling through all the pain to see if there's anything worth my time~)

[Tierce]

Welp.

I'll be back tomorrow, folks. Home internet is being made of fail.

I liked Reck's post about SpyreX, though I understand SpyreX's PoV because I was the one who railed on him over a game before he went on hiatus. Will move vote elsewhere when I'm done leaving Espeonage and sirdanilot hanging on my every word.

CES--fairly sure I've already commented on my own play. Why didn't you answer the stuff about chamber?

I had words for Shadoweh and can't recall them. It'll come to me.

[Tierce]

Dear god, sirdanilot, SHUT UP.

I just checked this thread for the first time in however long and you have more posts than any two other people combined. You are making noise. You are not charismatic enough to push a wagon by force of personality, and everyone knows your scumspects already. If you are Town, shut up and sit prettily. Let other people actually chime in of their own volition, it gets much harder to read someone else when you have more than double the amount of posts of every other player and keep pushing for irrelevant commentary that doesn't show people's natural trajectories. You're probably Town, but damn, you're as bad at this as you are at letting people discuss their business elsewhere without butting in. Let the thread breathe.

And when it's

me

telling you you are posting too much, it's probably a sign you're posting

too damn much

.


chmaber's Elscouta and ESL post was :goodposting:.

Multitasking, will be here and there.

[Tierce]

Tierce - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
JacobSavage - Not a Scummy Scum Butt
shos - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
Aegor - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
Natirasha - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
chamber - Possibly not a Scummy Scum Butt
MafiaSSK - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
ActionDan - Possibly not a Scummy Scum Butt
Espeonage - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
SpyreX - Possibly not a Scummy Scum Butt
Albert B. Rampage - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
Cogito Ergo Sum - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
Desperado - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
sirdanilot - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
Elscouta - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
PeregrineV - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
TheIrishPope - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt
Shadoweh - Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt

Jokes are great, but explaining the two Townreads would be even better! Why was chamber Town as of this post?

[Tierce]

I'm good with him talking. If he starts fluffing, then we'll have issues.

He's already fluffing in a very specific way: the lack of charisma for pulling the wagons he wants means that every post he makes saying that people should vote his suspects

is

fluff.

I don't have a problem against fluff per se, and he's trying, which is a good thing, but damn if I don't have flashbacks to SafetyDance being absolutely USELESS in ASoIaF even while he was posting, and

especially

because he was posting. He's getting in the way of natural interactions and I want to see what people say by themselves without being pointlessly poked at. It's early D1 and I'm already ticked off, because it's not really a kind of behavior I can gloss over and not have to read, regardless of his alignment--it's something that is affecting others.

I don't thin it's deliberate, because he does this kind of thing elsewhere on the site and seems just as oblivious as he is here, but here it

is

interfering with me reading the game and it needs to be cut down.

You don't have to post every time you want to say something, sirdanilot. We already know your points. Unless you have something

new

to add, let people post and interact instead of butting in.


Talking about that, I still don't recall what I had wanted to ask Shadoweh. You get me a pretty redheaded fire priestess and all thoughts fly out the window. So here's two new things instead: why are you napping instead of postin' and what are your thoughts on ActionDan.

[Tierce]

Jokes are great, but explaining the two Townreads would be even better! Why was chamber Town as of this post

He actually took time to read an old game and posting something quite meaningful.

See post below, which was why the "as of this post" line was here. Try again.

[Tierce]

Actually, you know what? That's bullshit, JacobSavage. If I ask you what was the source of a Townread at a certain point and you give me an answer that has nothing to do with the time you posted the read at, it means the original read was made up and you don't have a good reason for it. (Furthermore, it's not like scum don't use meta and you know it, the reason the meta bit was good was because chamber looked for possible non-scum motivation before making accusations.)

UNVOTE: TheIrishPope
VOTE: JacobSavage

[Tierce]

(Plus you called me Possibly a Scummy Scum Butt and that's just Not Acceptable.)

[Tierce]

(Furthermore, it's not like scum don't use meta and you know it, the reason the meta bit was good was because chamber looked for possible non-scum motivation before making accusations.)

ummm... its not like his language had been broken or stilted this game? If anything what I did kept open the possibility of him being scum instead of closing it... which is the opposite (though less extreme) of what you said implied.

I didn't say you closed that possibility, I said (or implied) you were trying to figure out what his style in another game might mean in this game.

Actually, you know what? That's bullshit, JacobSavage. If I ask you what was the source of a Townread at a certain point and you give me an answer that has nothing to do with the time you posted the read at, it means the original read was made up and you don't have a good reason for it. (Furthermore, it's not like scum don't use meta and you know it, the reason the meta bit was good was because chamber looked for possible non-scum motivation before making accusations.)

UNVOTE: TheIrishPope
VOTE: JacobSavage

mmmmm this doesn't follow. town can't be mistaken about their reasons of having a townread? it's just as likely that he forgot

He "forgot"

within ten hours

of making that list, and within nine hours of saying he has a mild Townread on chamber?

Yeah, I'm not buying that. And I'd prefer it if you'd let him speak for himself before presenting handy excuses.

[Tierce]

Nothing, in principle. In practice, you're meddling. Let people speak for themselves before you intervene. I second guess myself enough, I don't need the "help" of others to do so.

[Tierce]

siridanilot, for the last fucking time:

Shut
the
hell
up.

YOU have no concept of what a team game is. YOU have no charisma whatsoever, and keep doing the same noisy bullshit you've been doing since the start of the game. You're not actually pushing for consolidation, because every single one of your posts is a torment to read. You're never going to manage to get the players to work together, so be quiet and let the grown ups do their thing. Post when you have something

new

to say.

Gaaaaah. This isn't the Fall of Gondolin, this is Morgoth's cry over and over and over again.


JacobSavage--let's play spot the difference between chamber and CES's "neighborhood" posts.


Spyspy:

Now that you made me go back and actually read it I'm not surprised at it bodes well for the future.

However actually trying to engage in something in this morass is a good sign.

Chamber taking the time to go meta as scum at this point looking for a bite under what would have been the strangest pretenses ever is waay more likely town and scum.

The English-Ur-quan translator failed in these sentences, I suspect. I think I know what you mean in each, but could you just clarify them?


PEdit: O hai!

Slow and steady and etc., I know, but humor me and be not-so-cryptic for a little while. Why SSK?

[Tierce]

Code: Select all

Credit grab: MafiaSSK/Tierce/Elscouta/Aegor

Before that post it was more that his posts in the "Neighbourhood" seemed to be relaxed in a away CES weren't quite.

Totes true.

Unvote, vote: MafiaSSK

Tierce, with me!

For me to bus, you have to ask nicely~

[Tierce]

CES thinks I'm scum. Which actually makes me feel good about him, because he's a pretty damn good Tierce-reader and I can't see him saying I'm scum as scum. Easier to work with me and lead me on with that sort of Tierce Townread he never explains.


PEdit: I didn't see the shot. I just saw your post and scrolled down to it--I thought it was a vote. If it's real (which I doubt, but whatever) thank you. He could flip lynchproof triplevoter Innocent Child and I'd still cheer.

[Tierce]

So... sirdanilot chooses NOW to shut up? After a supposed shot, when he hasn't shut up the rest of the game?

Here's a puny scumreads list BAI



But Shaaaadoweh the pain the pain it burns us

[Tierce]

##Vote: shos

It's 7 days to early for the paranoia to be that unspeakable though!

sirdanilot: Why do you keep bringing up my join date like it matters? I don't know you from years ago or something if that's what you're asking. I'm saying your posts are town but terrible and will only result in tears for everyone.

Whoops, between the forum going down and self-outages and also my face having key prints five hours was slightly delayed
I'm still half-asleep so forgive if this isn't isn't understandable (the joke is my posts never are)

Since Tierce asked, my eyes are glazing over too many posts, normally it's easy to figure out who's derping and who isn't but uh.. it's hard to find a post in thread that isn't just Good Town and/or Derp Town. I'm looking at this list of who's left in my head and it's the people who are lurking/not posting and it's like, all the lurkers aren't all the scum, someone actually posting has to be scum too. ADan is being pretty, how do I put this, he's posting and not lurking to the fullest extent of the law, which is what he does as scum elsewhere. Also he feels like a solid dude and doesn't afraid of anything.

I'm at least ready to make a no-chance-in-hell pact on not voting Tierce, chamber, Actshun Dan, sirdanylyots (who people keep calling Dan, which is messing me up, there are two Dans in this game say their full names plz) and shos. I don't really have a read on Spyrex or CES other then 'is Spyrex' and 'is CES' but I don't really want to lynch either of them either. That still leaves.. a pretty decent list of people now that I look at it. Will look at actual list in next post since people are posting and I don't want to pass out first

Cut: I imagine Tierce thinks your vig is as believable as I do.

...You're an ugly voyeuristic old man again, aren't you?

[Tierce]

scum-chamber trying to push a lynch through on HE TYPE DIFFERENT would be the most uphill and eye pulling kind of thing ever.

I've done this before as town. SO HARD.

Yes, and he sees it as Town, so... I'm not sure why the comment?

I mean, unless you're bragging about EFFORT, which etc.

[Tierce]

There's three votes on you, Natirasha. Why even talk about claiming?

[Tierce]

Dear god, the amount of stupid.

THIS IS NOT A BASTARD GAME. There are no cults, no alignment changes, no jesters, no lynchers.

Why are you jester-hunting anyway?!

[Tierce]

It's pretty damn obvious that if I thought one of them was scum I would be voting them. Natirasha's Post 464 was Town irritation.

Desperado, you're reaching

hard

with the "SSK would only be reading Natirasha if he's Town". I refer to my scumreads' reads as "true" reads all the time to be practical, that doesn't mean anything.


JacobSavage's blatant "memory lapse" in less than half a day is still scummy and there should be more votes on him and CES is wrong.

[Tierce]

Oh hey some new posts, I hope they are useful and productive to finding the scums!
Two minutes later, much sobbing was to be had. It's funny that shos is the one accusing Nat of being a jester because his posts would be a good competition for it.
Tierce, I'd have to disagree with you, numberwise there's probably at least one scum in there. I'd appreciate if you'd take a better look and tell me for sure which one that is, I dislike having to do so much critical thinking. I doubt Jacob is going to get lynched anyways due to lurker's boredom but I supose it could happen. I read this article that said you should realize when your wagon isn't happening and compromise instead of being stubborn, it was recommended by someone really smart!

Fiiiiiine, will read more in-depth. But later. I have to deal with the trauma caused by the latest Emma video before tonight's gaming session.

(You should watch it, but don't blame me.)

[Tierce]

Home internet's down--access will be sporadic over the next few days.

[Tierce]

It was still pointless. The kind of stupid "oh, I'll wing it, I haven't thought that far ahead" reaction test that people so love these days.

Can I get someone interested in this lovely JacobSavage wagon? No? How about with the fact that he's questioning Espeonage about why he chose to do something here that was obviously a premade decision and that has nothing to do with his alignment? He's asking him why he chose to claim VT PRIOR TO THE START OF THE GAME. Oh, I don't know, the answer "because Espeonage is an idiot" might be relevant to his alignment before he even gets a role PM. You can judge someone on WHY they choose to follow the decision they made on an isolated, no-role-PM context, but not on why they made the decision in the first place and it should be obvious why.

Discussing CES Today is a waste of time.

SSK has a far more developed meta assessment of me than I expected. Where've you been hiding? Bring Natirasha over and vote with the cool kids.

[Tierce]

Seeeeeeeriously
Why is every single player acting scummy except for maybe Tierce

I know, it's a terrible burden.

[Tierce]

It was still pointless. The kind of stupid "oh, I'll wing it, I haven't thought that far ahead" reaction test that people so love these days.

Can I get someone interested in this lovely JacobSavage wagon? No? How about with the fact that he's questioning Espeonage about why he chose to do something here that was obviously a premade decision and that has nothing to do with his alignment? He's asking him why he chose to claim VT PRIOR TO THE START OF THE GAME. Oh, I don't know, the answer "because Espeonage is an idiot" might be relevant to his alignment before he even gets a role PM. You can judge someone on WHY they choose to follow the decision they made on an isolated, no-role-PM context, but not on why they made the decision in the first place and it should be obvious why.

Discussing CES Today is a waste of time.

SSK has a far more developed meta assessment of me than I expected. Where've you been hiding? Bring Natirasha over and vote with the cool kids.

Tierce!

First off, I've done

way

too much meta research on you for my own good.

Secondly, I just don't feel as if the JacobSavage wagon is viable today. What do you think of Esp?

Oh, also, why do you think discussing CES today is a waste of time? He at least needs to be discussed.

SSK!

We can still conjure up a wagon. Less feelings about viability, more votin' him. Let's make it viable in our hour of need.

CES is a tough nut to crack and would only end in a deadline lynch on someone else that is not Mr. Savage because people would be all waffly about Mr. Nibbler's one-liners. Discussing CES would be a distraction and not really help Today's resolution, because THAT lynch is not viable at all (hint: I'm not in it, it ain't happening). Besides, courtesy and what chamber said~ I can't read himwell enough to make a decision on D1, better to accept him as Town until I start reaching for the tinfoil headgear.

Espeonage is an idiot and probably a Town one. Of all the compromise options, it's the least bad one due to the claim, but I'd rather be lynching scum.

[Tierce]

I did say a role PM can change your mind on how you act, but inquiring about the initial, rolePMless reasoning is just faking scumhunting. It's something that has no relevance to the game.

I'm pretty sure I've been calling your wagon bad ever since I said that Reck's description of SpyreX made sense for a Town player who didn't realize why SpyreX is acting this way (hint: it's my fault). You're accusing TheIrishPope of being incompetent, not scum.

SpySpy! Good AND perfect lynch right here.

[Tierce]

Yeah, I started it on RVS and changed my mind. Crazy, that.

Reck describes Town-SpyreX as needing none of this acting toward Espeonage. I'm on a tablet, not about to look up the post number. Scum Reck would have no issue letting SpyreX go to town on weak players.

@ Tierce: Righteously indignant town Tierce is my favorite Tierce. I don't agree with your Jacob push; who else is scum?

What changed? And why no reaction to me saying you were reaching?

[Tierce]

And reaching with what, the Nat thing?

Yes. You just dropped off Natirasha without a word. Compromising is one thing, ignoring that you were called out on a bad case is another.

[Tierce]

118 posts.

ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTEEN POSTS. Varda help us all. Plum, you owe me for this game.

[Tierce]

Child, please.


What were you thinking in those 50 minutes?

[Tierce]

I'm as obvTown as they come and that is a ridiculous vote with such timing as to not even result in proper wagon analysis. Vote Jacob.

[Tierce]

I'm as obvTown as they come

Fuck nope.

We can argue about this until we're both red in the face or you can accept the fact that it is a bad vote and move it off. I'm Town, I'm not getting lynched (...this isn't a Vi game), and your vote is doing nothing but being generally annoying--and for that we have the rest of the thread already.

[Tierce]

Why, TIP? Because I didn't bother to answer your reads question?

How is any of that is relevant right now? I'm voting the wagon that I think is on scum, I pushed it to where it is (hey look, someone who actually has logical skill and the charisma to back it up~), I really have no business haring off with other reads. Some of them are obvious as it is, and if you can't tell them by now, you're not going to get any more enlightenment through a reads list.

I'm being cryptic because I can and because there's really no point in discussing other things right now. Deal with it.


JacobSavage: if sirdanilot's (nonexistent) wagon is the "best of a bad bunch", why do you follow it up with this:

Literally the only reason I'd vote ANY of them is to avoid a no lynch and 24 hours is long enough to get a decent wagon on someone actually scummy.

Who is "someone actually scummy" and how do you expect to get them lynched? Where do you want this wagon?

[Tierce]

You know what, Tierce? I'm just going to say it. You're being pretty anti-town here. You're being selfish. You're claiming the whole JacobSavage wagon is your doing. You keep repeating just how "town" you are. But you're not the lynch for today.

I'll let JacobSavage be the lynch for today. But only because that's the real main wagon and it's deadline. It's a wagon that's based off of false premises by a bad wagon leader.

Vote: JacobSavage

Uhm, no. I did push the wagon, that's obvious--it was at two people and going nowhere until I did something about it. And if you've actually meta'd me, you know that yes, I am obvTown as Town and hardly have problems saying so, and that I push my suspects and manage to summon up wagons. You're putting it like I'm smothering the game with that stuff, when what I'm doing is trying to push my preferred lynch through (and doing it pretty successfully, apparently!).

How is any of that is relevant right now? I'm voting the wagon that I think is on scum, I pushed it to where it is (

hey look, someone who actually has logical skill and the charisma to back it up

~), I really have no business haring off with other reads. Some of them are obvious as it is, and if you can't tell them by now, you're not going to get any more enlightenment through a reads list.

I'm being cryptic because I can

and because there's really no point in discussing other things right now. Deal with it.

Will this continue the entire game? Let me know so I can act accordingly.



JS wagon is awful, but I want to see where it goes anyway.

VOTE: JacobSavage

The former is a jab at the Messieurs who keep clamoring for wagons without any real effective attempt at pushing them. Yeah, it's mean. I'm tired of them.

Me being cryptic? Nah. But there's really no point to do otherwise at this moment. When my reads are worth sharing more thoroughly, sure.


I keep seeing a lot of people saying JacobSavage is a bad wagon (why?) even as they compromise onto it because it's the main wagon. It being the main wagon is a self-fulfilling prophecy, y'know.

[Tierce]

JacobSavage--we need a claim. There be hammer-happy people here, and the clock has run out.

[Tierce]

No. Let him claim first.

UNVOTE: JacobSavage

[Tierce]

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Hai, fellow Apple!

[Tierce]

Cut: This isn't RVS v.2 please, what the hell does that mean?

chamber's dead.

Wait, that wasn't any less cryptic, was it?~

[Tierce]

Fairly sure that I wasn't in any danger of being NKd with how Yesterday turned out.

[Tierce]

chamber attempted to flip a wagon from Aegor to me. I'm Town, and while he probably wouldn't have lynched me, it would be some amazing noise for scum to flourish in Today. Elscouta would have made a much better alternative--quiet one, logical, not that likely to be protected if JacobSavage is Town.

The kill makes sense coming from you.

[Tierce]

Fairly sure that I wasn't in any danger of being NKd with how Yesterday turned out.

elaborate please? there really wasn't any special person who was likely to be killed instead of you, or was there? who would you kill if you were scum 'with how Yesterday turned out'?...

(also any reason you capitalized the Y in yesterday?)

nvm you capitalize T later too in Today you jsut do that..

I capitalize game Days to be in contrast to real life days.

Being a late counterwagon to Town made me an obvious non-kill target, especially since chamber was Town. See: beautiful noise to be left alive for Today. Which is why it doesn't make much sense that chamber, who had claimed vanilla, is dead--unless the person he can read best is scum. See: CES. Like... from the end of D1, I'd put

myself

as more likely to be killed by a generic scumteam than chamber, and I didn't think I was a target at all.

I'm not terribly attached to this vote, though,

because lynching CES would drain my interest in the rest of the game

. I want some words out of a stone.

Talk to me about ABR, CES. And do you really think scum are trying to pull a Pillar-of-the-Community attitude regarding the Aegor flip

and

doing it as the very first post of D2? Seems like a far too reckless move for Espeonage-scum, and one that is far too easy for you to capitalize on.


For the record, for everyone going down that road, this game was reviewed by Vi. Scum have safeclaims. Scum know that "Gondolin" is Town. Use your brains.

[Tierce]

ABR, go read the game. Please. Go read Aegor's claim. He explains it, and I'm on a tablet so formatting quotes is hard to do.

Everyone getting on him for this: ABR did the same kind of thing as my Mason buddy in MoI's Dresden Files Mafia. He was stumped at the color of a Town flip when his own role PM had the same color.

It's not a scumtell.

But the excuse you can't scumhunt is BS, ABR. Come now.


Elscouta's latest posts look like posturing.

[Tierce]

You should vote CES.

[Tierce]

Ugh.

[Tierce]

Ugh.

You noticed it too?

not exactly rocket surgery.

[Tierce]

Ugh.

You noticed it too?

not exactly rocket surgery.

Mind explaining anyways?

ABR is buddying up to me, and acting like my miraculous "I'm on a kindle go read the stuff yourself" is suddenly illuminating when other people had already told him to go read up. Aegor got lynched because it was a deadline scramble, so the whole "why did you lynch him" was posturing. There's a lot of it between ABR and Elscouta's dance and tone around Plum's clarification.

There, rocket surgery blueprints for you.

IF

I had three bullets, etc.

[Tierce]

I want to go through VCs tomorrow, SpyreX. I should go to sleep soon and I know that if I start poking through the game I'll still be here three hours from now.

[Tierce]

Things have been pretty hectic, apologies. I haven't even looked at the D1 VCA stuff yet, but it will have to wait for tomorrow evening.

[Tierce]

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

What the hell are you doing?

Why the heck would you, as Town, want him to claim this?

It's pretty obvious. If JacobSavage is scum and is ever tracked anywhere but the person he claims to protect, he's dead. If he's rolecopped and shown to be lying, he's dead. NONE of this nonsense you're asking would ever help Town.

[Tierce]

Town
{

Tierce

, Sirdan, Shos,

Spyrex

}

Town Lean
{

CES

, Elscouta, Desperado}

Temporary Town Permit (Useful Until Proven Otherwise)
{ActionDan, TIP, JacobSavage,

ABR

}

Scum
{Espy, Shadoweh}

Outliers (Null and useless)
{PV, MafiaSSK}

VOTE: Espeonage

I'm calling bullshit on this list.

[Tierce]

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

Too little, too late.


I start skimming and then I'm reading and getting reeled in and I really can't afford to right now. >.> I need to force myself away from the game so I can rest.

[Tierce]

Golden cookie to anyone who tells me what's wrong with Majiffy's list. I even made a pretty outline.

[Tierce]

Just vote for Desperado, Majiffy.

ActionDan, how closely have you been reading Tierce? I feel like I should have a stronger read on her.

Too little, too late.

It's okay; I was mostly just trying to get an answer out of Action "CES wouldn't kill chamber" Dan. I only half feel like I should.

Let me decode this--so you think he's not reading as closely as he should/that he should have noticed my post on the subject of the NK, or...?

[Tierce]

Finally home, more or less conscious and

ohmygodguys I have a desk and chair

. For the first time in almost a year I can sit down at a laptop without being in pain when I get up. *\o/*

ABR's "I am now motivated to read the game!" has petered out. A+ would lynch again.

Majiffy's correlation of strong players:Townreads is terrible and would lynch too.

I hate CES for looking Town with defending me by... pointing out my scumread on him makes sense? It really doesn't read like appeasing but argh. He's been voting people like Espeonage and TIP and I'm seizing that because I'm stubborn and etc.

Still can't read Desperado reliably and still not about to start trying.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Tierce]

So now that we're done with Stupid Wagons, Part 9 of 37, can we please lynch ABR?

Look at the progression. There is nothing wrong with wagon-hopping per se, ABR does it a lot as Town, but he's not probing at the people he's voting in any manner. In the game I linked, he even tried to bully a Town player into voting his suspect by voting him. Here? The votes are really bland, and he immediately hops off rather than doing anything resembling convincing others.

Look at this sequence:

Unvote, vote Desperado

Limited access

sirdanilot seems town don't lynch him

I'll go for Elscouta, or Desperado, or any number of other players lol

Unvote, vote Tierce

Laying down a vote like that can only come from scum.

Unvote, vote VOTE: PeregrineV

Unvote, vote Spyrex

This does not read like the thoguht process of someone who said this:

Thank you, Tierce. I was not motivated to read the game until you posted that.

I was absent in the pages leading to Aegor's lynch, missed the claim, missed the lynch, and didn't understand the flip. I came back today and instead of a simple catch-up post being made available by players who are more invested in the game, I receive accusations and attacks and threats to replace out. Tierce was the only one who was at least nice about asking me to read. Notice how I didn't sheep her CES vote, which is what I would do if I wanted to buddy her. No, I just think she's nice, and I appreciate it.

Where's the interest in the game? Regardless of whether or not he read D1, he's clearly not bothering to read D2 either, and there's no weight behind his votes.

ABR knows he has a meta for vote-hopping, but this game is missing the actual Town part of his vote-hopping, where he puts his money where his vote is.

tiny reread of sirdan

Good god, someone is reading his posts? I commend your bravery. But come vote actual scum please and thank you.

[Tierce]

Tierce what do you think of Spyrex? Is he scum? Or do your buddies not allow you to bus Spyrex?

Yeah it's totally my buddies' doing.

Have I called SpyreX scum? No. Have I called him Town? Yes. Perhaps you should stop posting inane questions and actually read people's posts, but if wishes were horses, etc.

[Tierce]

No, just

your

posts.

I have and I do. I'm probably the person with the strongest awareness of why SpyreX is acting like he is in this game, and he has had a lot of chances to be disruptive a la ASoIaF uPick (work hours notwithstanding) under the guise of purging this playerlist, and chose not to do so. He has

not

stopped giving input in the game, unlike what you're trying to sell him as, so you can turn the tunnel goggles elsewhere and let the adults do the lynchings.

[Tierce]

is Jacob doing what I think he is doing?

If you mean Post 1296, that was a pretty obvious joke.

If you mean the coasting, I'm not too bothered about it at this point. If his claim is true, it's a role that is pretty demoralizing to play anyway, so as long as he has a good Townread I don't much care for the rest.

No, just

your

posts.

I have and I do. I'm probably the person with the strongest awareness of why SpyreX is acting like he is in this game, and he has had a lot of chances to be disruptive a la ASoIaF uPick (work hours notwithstanding) under the guise of purging this playerlist, and chose not to do so. He has

not

stopped giving input in the game, unlike what you're trying to sell him as, so you can turn the tunnel goggles elsewhere and let the adults do the lynchings.

How the fuck is this a town tel for spyrex?

Look guy. You joined in 2011. Spyrex and I go way back, and Spyrex sure as hell did not play like this as town. I played with him as town twice, he is a very zealous townie, he may not always get his reads right but he sure as hell gets people lynched, he tries all sorts of tactics that are good for the town etc.

This game? This is not town spyrex. So if you would kindly stop your fucking patronizing bullshit and listen to a player that has been around much longer than you and realize that this is NOT town spyrex, then we'll all be a jolly happy family again.

Wait, wait, you're trying to pull an appeal to authority on me, and then say

I

am patronizing

you

?

I've played and modded SpyreX far more recently than you have. I modded the game that caused SpyreX's behavior at the start of this game, and I, personally, was the source of that behavior. This?

In a time long ago, before I took my long break, I got ripped up after a game because I "let the scum win".

Was ME. I did that. I know why he's acting like that. I've read lots of games on the site, I have 60 played games to my name, I'm detail and meta-oriented, and I'm pretty freaking sure that I know what I'm doing. So you can back off with the ridiculous join date claim, because I've explained why I think SpyreX is Town, I've explained why he's acting like that, and I've pointed out that you're lying when you say he's not contributing. You know the worst part? I think you're doing it as Town, so yeah, I think you're an incompetent idiot with an inflated view of your game skill.

You can try to bully me as much as you want, but SpyreX's "treestump + hated" attitude is much less anti-Town than your pointless, non-charismatic spamming of the thread. There are people who joined last month who are better Town players than you are. I am not voting SpyreX. You can either be sensible and vote ABR, or you can shut up.

[Tierce]

I think you're an incompetent idiot with an inflated view of your game skill.

Urgh. Too far. I'm sorry about that one.

[Tierce]

Shadoweh, come make a wagon on scum happen. I promise fluffy pillows for you to nap on.

[Tierce]

shos, SpyreX, Elscouta--the above goes for you as well.

Let's make it happen. If fluffy pillows aren't your thing, I'm sure I can accommodate with something more in line with the Path of Now and Forever.

[Tierce]

I don't care about ABR making wagons happen if said wagons aren't happening on scum, and he's not bothering about lynching scum, so I'm not entirely sure why you think keeping him around is a good idea. Vote with me and I'll handle the Actually-Fucking-Lynch-Someone stage.

[Tierce]

(You don't think his refusal to explain why he thinks you're scum while he'd gladly write poetry about how for someone who's been reading my games he knows nothing about how I act, is bad?)

It's plenty bad, but it's nothing I don't expect PeregrineV to do, especially after seeing his play in Paradox Prime. If I were going after people I consider bad at the game just because they're being bad, I'd have a feast in front of me right now.

[Tierce]

ABR is at a point where he doesn't even have to pretend to invest anything into this game and is getting protected by a great meta shield.

The meta shield is fake.

I'm not wagoning Espeonage at this stage, SpyreX. Get me a scumflip and then we can talk, but if we're starting on a purge with fire mode, first I'd rather get sirdanilot out, and I don't think he's scum either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Replace those two slots with Nuwen and LLD and we can set this playerlist alight until nothing is left but glory for Gwarestrin.

I am still reading and keeping up, but I am not in a position to do the heavy lifting. Its almost like I'd need...a...team to get something useful done here.

I'm doing the heavy lifting. Just vote with me.

[Tierce]

Well its "fake" enough he's got a whopping nothin goin on here.

It's 21 hours to deadline, this game has an active playerlist (even if they aren't exactly concerned with content), if someone can make a lynch happen it's me. Come follow me and make it viable.

I wish I'd been "settling for nothing" until looming deadlines. You have work, I have serious IRL stuff that needs dealt with too and that has left me in an absolutely shitty mood online for the past month because I don't get enough sleep (never thought I would say that). I realize I haven't gone through the VCA stuff yet, but if we're both here Tomorrow I can pore over it with you.

Staying on that Espeonage wagon at this point is settling for a sirdanilot lynch and you know it. We are still capable of making an alternative happen, so please help me make it one.

[Tierce]

"I want to purge active townie... because?"

Because I'm frustrated with this game and he's a detriment to the Town. Am I lynching him? No. Did I have a gorgeous opportunity to (still do!)? Yeah. Wishes, horses, wincons, etc.

His posts are transparent and he just post whatever comes to his mind holding nothing back. That's not the attitude of someone that is scum. Like he says, stop voting for players based on their playstyle. Now I know you all like Tierce's playstyle, and she's nice, and cunning, and appears confident in her reads, but she's the most likely scum in my opinion.

Color me puzzled: you are calling me scum because I voted you. Because I voted you with a damned good reason based on you doing

nothing

after an apparent promise to get engaged in the game. This isn't scummy, your vote on me is.

VOTE: JS

This is a terrible vote. You're moving from a wagon with no momentum to another wagon with no momentum, and not making an ounce of effort to push it. If you're not voting your Townreads, then push your nullreads already.

I'll be this game's Cassandra and say ABR will be miraculously gone until deadline.

[Tierce]

Everybody needs to jump to Tierce immediately.

You're not answering CES's question. What is the flavor justification for you to be Even-Night?

[Tierce]

Actually on that note, Tierce, why the vanity wagon at this point? You came in to make a comment but not to help a lynch happen?

Because I still think he's scum. I'll be here until deadline and can push a lynch through if need be, but ABR is the one who is scum between him and sirdanilot.

[Tierce]

surprised he hasn't claimed tho

He's probably asleep and convinced he's unlynchable. But I'd lynch anyone, including myself, over no lynch, and will move over in the next half hour.

Majiffy and ABR should be lynched ASAP.

[Tierce]

Deadline is in 0 days, 0 hours, 34 minutes

[Tierce]

If you're voting sirdanilot, we need one more to make a lynch happen.

[Tierce]

I can pretend to be Shadoweh for a little while. Involves talking a lot about naps and bad wagons and being Canadian, eh.

UNVOTE: Albert B. Rampage
VOTE: sirdanilot


PEdit: ...I've been saying I will join in since there's no alternative. How much attention did you pay to the last half page, SSK?

[Tierce]

Honestly it's really weird that sirdanilot himself isn't here screaming at people to lynch not him anymore. Wouldn't you stick around if this was happening if you were town?

It's 4:30 AM in the Netherlands. What is it with you and ActionDan trying to push that as scummy?

[Tierce]

2 more

It's one.

[Tierce]

Majiffy, I know you're online.

[Tierce]

Majiffy, I know you're online.

Jesus fucking Christ get off my dick already.

Yeah how the hell dare I want you in this game when it's ten minutes to deadline and you're being a useless scummy fuck.

By the by, if you could tone down the sexual insults, it'd be mighty appreciated.

[Tierce]

Yeah how the hell dare I want you in this game when it's ten minutes to deadline and you're being a useless scummy fuck.

By the by, if you could tone down the sexual insults, it'd be mighty appreciated.

How dare you not give me fucking time to catch up and post before you start shouting about how I'm not posting? Yeah, fuck you too.

And I'm not useless. And I'm not scummy. So you can fuck yourself there, too.

It's FIVE MINUTES TO DEADLINE, you idiot. Hammer already!

[Tierce]

Man, I'm sure grateful I was forced to spend ten days doing nothing because of a dimwit who think no information Days are good--oh, wait, you're scum. Carry on.

[Tierce]

WOOOOOOOOSH

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage


Weak Doctor + Cop/Vig + Half Cop. Yeah right.


Question. Was Majiffy killed, or did he suicide? First post suggests the latter.

[Tierce]

Well I have no idea what Natirasha did N1.

But!

UNVOTE: Albert B. Rampage
VOTE: Shadoweh

Fire priestesses never bothered me anyway.

[Tierce]

Wrong Age, love. I mean, sure, Sauron was around, but he was busy being lord of the werewolves instead of that incorporeal... thing.

The first step to getting to hold my crimes against me is to actually prove I've done horrible things.

You mean like that case I posted about you?

Don't worry, they're going to quicklynch you tomorrow.

You might as well self-vote.

[Tierce]

Spoiler: Food first, then this.

Whoops, between the forum going down and self-outages and also my face having key prints five hours was slightly delayed
I'm still half-asleep so forgive if this isn't isn't understandable (the joke is my posts never are)

Since Tierce asked, my eyes are glazing over too many posts, normally it's easy to figure out who's derping and who isn't but uh.. it's hard to find a post in thread that isn't just Good Town and/or Derp Town. I'm looking at this list of who's left in my head and it's the people who are lurking/not posting and it's like, all the lurkers aren't all the scum, someone actually posting has to be scum too. ADan is being pretty, how do I put this, he's posting and not lurking to the fullest extent of the law, which is what he does as scum elsewhere. Also he feels like a solid dude and doesn't afraid of anything.

I'm at least ready to make a no-chance-in-hell pact on not voting Tierce, chamber, Actshun Dan, sirdanylyots (who people keep calling Dan, which is messing me up, there are two Dans in this game say their full names plz) and shos. I don't really have a read on Spyrex or CES other then 'is Spyrex' and 'is CES' but I don't really want to lynch either of them either. That still leaves.. a pretty decent list of people now that I look at it. Will look at actual list in next post since people are posting and I don't want to pass out first

Cut: I imagine Tierce thinks your vig is as believable as I do.

2. JacobSavage - Postcount: 6. I honestly didn't realize he'd posted before Scummy Butt: The Buttening. Not really much to go on, instead of explaining townreads please explain which of your fourteen 'scumreads' you think is the scummiest and why, possibly with a vote even, which you are not doing and should.
4. Aegor - I didn't like post 141 as an entry post, it felt like throwing a bunch of things out to see what sticks, plus what I said earlier about his views on Esp. Also not sure what brachylogy means, but if it means empty voting you're basically voting ABR for being ABR, he always does that as far as I've seen? I don't think you'd know that though. Conversation with Sirdan is sensical but you haven't actually mentioned anything about who you think is scum, so not really much to go on. Please explain which of the sixteen people who isn't yourself or ABR you also think are scummy and why. I'm preparing to copy/paste saying that alot!
5. Natirasha - I really want to like your posts but I think it's because you're posting like ActionDan in a non-caring kind of way. You're not Dan thhough so it's weird. I expected you to be more.. cheerful I guess? You were more wordy in the quicktopic, I think. I'm not really sure what I want you to do different to be honest, I just don't want to think of you as scum.
7. MafiaSSK - Last post: four days ago. Considering there wasn't really any meat to sink into at the time, there's not really much to go on here. Please follow up on question aimed at chamber, and answer if you still think Nat and Esp are scummy. SSK was quiet to the point of me not expecting him to reply to posts in the QT, and he's kind of a lurker in general, so it's hard to get a read either way.
9. Espeonage - I actually thought the whole VT on the scene thing was a good reaction test way to start off at first but the overblown NOW YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD SIRDAN YOU ARE THE SCUMS tunnel is just.. bad.

@sirdan's posting. Look at how he demands to know everything, town definitely wants information yes, but scum need it. It's like how White shouldn't lose tempo because they have the foot up on black in chess.

Nonsensical is probably a better word, and crazy paranoid. "Town would do this, but scum need to do it MORE, so sirdan spamming up the thread demanding to know everything means he's super scummy!" What I really want you to do is stop tunneling Sirdan and make a scum read that isn't based on The Most Easy to Hate Dude making posts at you.
11. Albert B. Rampage - Post count: 6. I don't know if there's a difference between ABR's town and scum games, but I'm already remembering why my eyes keep glazing over as I reread this game. Uhm, you said you would explain one of your votes if people picked one, and the only one person have shown interest in in the sirdan vote, so explain?
13. Desperado - Post count: 5. Please kill me. Wow, are you still voting me? I know I wanted to die while we were buddies, but I think you'll find I was equally suicidal in the game you were half-scum in too. If you're going to use meta then maybe you should use more then one game. You have plenty of my posts to look at and tell me if you still think I'm scum at least. also question, do you think sirdan is town or scum because when I tell someone I have a problem with their posts in your tone, it usually means I'm suspicious of them, but it's not clear in the way you're asking.
15. Elscouta - didn't like entry post of hopping onto the for some reason growing Sirdan wagon. Looking at his later posts though I'd have to say he's at least taking it seriously? Like, the opposite of how I feel about Esp's tunnelrageback. Still needs more scumspects who could actually be scum (tm)
16. PeregrineV - brain asdfghkjing why are you voting me and stop it reads as peregrinev
17. TheIrishPope (replacing xRECKONERx) - is a dude that's here

its hurting to think but I think I think Esp is the worst right now? Really what I'm remembering is that the game still practically hasn't started because half the people still haven't posted things. PS TIP if you seriously would have vigged someone who is obvtown instead of any of the above excluding yourself yyou would deserve to have the shit kicked out of you.

##Unvote
##Vote: Espironage

Tierce, I think you will find I was never actually a voyeuristic old man, I was always a sexy fiery temptress hiding in an old man's clothes. Also I'd have to say I'm as far opposite to being a voyeur as possible. Just pretend you can't read him and remember he's at least trying to help, in his own.. way. I'd stop posting if I were him too, wondering if I were still alive? (Or I'd start swearing at the 'vig' I supose if I was in the mood)
PPS i will take this as your admittance that i was in fact the bestest girl

Oh hey some new posts, I hope they are useful and productive to finding the scums!
Two minutes later, much sobbing was to be had. It's funny that shos is the one accusing Nat of being a jester because his posts would be a good competition for it.
Tierce, I'd have to disagree with you, numberwise there's probably at least one scum in there. I'd appreciate if you'd take a better look and tell me for sure which one that is, I dislike having to do so much critical thinking. I doubt Jacob is going to get lynched anyways due to lurker's boredom but I supose it could happen. I read this article that said you should realize when your wagon isn't happening and compromise instead of being stubborn, it was recommended by someone really smart!

There's a reason people use the words 'townie bloodlust' and not 'scummy bloodlust'. Your only current scumread sounds like you're telling me why sirdanilot is town. Hunters are looking for scummy beasts in the shadows, they're not the scum themselves. It's also way too 2 days from deadline to convince people to wagon sirdanilot. I think. Apparently I'm underestimating attention spans here. If I were to look at the vibes, I'd say ActionDan and Aegor, aside from Jacob, Nat and SSK who you have townie feels for, might be lynchable. If you don't want to get lynched you need to pick one and make a convincing case. At the very least we might actually be able to see you trying.

Cut: I can't read minds, I just have good intuition. I have a belief that people should be unvoted for the things they've done, not for what other people have said about them, and there is no done being having. Considering sirdanilot is the only scum read he's refusing to let go of and he doesn't have any new ones, I think it's a dimension beyond tunneling into the Pangalactic Didn't Read The Game Gargleblaster.

Honestly I'm not sure. I'm starting to get tired of trying to squeeze water out of a stone. Who else would you suggest lynching at this point?

They're better at wizardry. Although CES has posted alot more in this game then I'm used to and I don't remember getting any bad feelings about it, so saying he looks like scum this game is wrong, he just doesn't look bad to me. He's also the only person who posted actual reasoning that people should be voting you, instead of hopping on the rapidly growing train for Because Reasons.

Speaking of Because Reasons, what exactly was bad about his response? It had less swears in it, but it looked like something I'd type after a giant wagon of dumb. And trust me, I have had lots of experience with being randomly wagoned for no reason.

##Vote: TIP

Your posts are literally trolling and eating popcorn while watching everyone else think, while your vote sits uselessly on a dead wagon. Get food poisoning and die.
shos no. That is the opposite of a thing that's going to happen

Surprisingly there does sound like some support for CES? chamber's dropped in a few times but hasn't commented on it. >_> CHAMBER ON A SCALE OF YES TO NO HOW MUCH LYNCHING WOULD YOU GIVE CES THIS GAME?

note how she doesn't have any reasons!
and how her logic is flawed!
if you're town, seriously step up your game

How can I have no reason and my reason be wrong at the same time? You sound like a whining 4-year old.

Tierce did you just not so subtly call my wagon bad. =_= Why. Active lurking is way worse then just lurking. Besides, you can say you made a decision before a game started all you want, but the minute you actually get a role pm it changes your mind for you. That and in theory if you were scum you'd probably be lying about the original reasoning.

That first sentence in combination with my earlier weak read on him makes me thing Shadow is town.
I think that the TIP wagon evaporated because deadline was really pushing, and it caused people to jump to more viable wagons, which is a correct line of thought. I never understood why the TIP wagon formed anyway, though, so I'll be glad if you explain it to me.

Also this is definitely not RVS V2.0; not at all. ActionDan was my preferred vote up to the place where Aegor started being stupid, and the flip & NK didn't do much to change that; his posts really kept sucking, so I'm back to that read. remind me later to check out again about Natirasha.

Dissatisfaction I imagine. GUT only carries people so far, but I've been thinking about what bothers me overnight. Two things mainly.

First point: MafiaSSK jump. This is mostly because I got a good read from SSK from his response to that superfast wagon to him, but TIP's vote and response just felt like he was trying to push it over the edge. The argument against SSK was based on him lurking but posting in other games, which TIP kept pressing after his V/LA was announced. The 'CES vote out of nowhere' is an unfair argument, SSK was gone for 6 days and didn't have a major scumread before then, why wouldn't he have a new outlook after rereading?

Second point: Everything After Everyone Ignored The SSK Case. Or as I would call it, acting like this is a TV show he's watching for his amusement. His response to being run up was to vote his biggest town read for funsies for god's sake. I didn't want to make a big deal out of this before giving him a chance to post something constructive today but considering his opening post today I am not imagining there'll be much more to see in the future.

Also the second remark wasn't directed at you, but I don't think ADan sucks this game.

Ummm this Esp wagon...

No still not feeling it.

Hi this isn't a pronouncement of who you were protecting and why you're still alive today instead of dying for the cause.

I would vote for Spyrex just because his lurking on Espionage campaign has attracted literally no attention on him for no reason.
I don't think PV's done anything town. The only thing I remember him doing is poking at me for no reason and then doing nothing about it.
I think you're just townreading him because he agreed with your read. I don't agree with this wagon anymore and the agonizingly slow way votes are progressing has me convinced scum just doesn't give a hell about either of them as wagons.

##Unvote:
##Vote: PeregrineV

Instead of acting like this entire day phase is your V/LA vacation, explain why you agree with Dan about Tierce and why you keep poking at me, but follow it up with a vote on someone who from my observations is pretty easy to hate.

[Tierce]

Today ends in your lynch unless you explain this really, really well, Melisandreh. Claim.

[Tierce]

Don't fall asleep on us now.

[Tierce]

Very well, then~

Hai guys time to be lynching. This is not a Day for herding cats. Weak Doctor crumb + Shadoweh mysteriously vanishing from the thread when she ought to be outraged according to herself:

Honestly it's really weird that sirdanilot himself isn't here screaming at people to lynch not him anymore. Wouldn't you stick around if this was happening if you were town?

--means that she's scum and is just picking out the best trolling material now instead of explaining why Majiffy didn't target-her-or-anyone.


If someone wants to go through the stuff in Post 1466, by all means--I think going through the end of the Days in context should also be fruitful and etc.

[Tierce]

Vote: Espeonage

I hate you a little bit for this. :/

[Tierce]

SpyreX I know your goal is to make the rage burn pure and true through my veins but you need to play

ball!

with me a little as well. I can't quite be all

glorious lynches into infinity

when we missed a lynch by one vote.

And then you do that again.


Do you think Espeonage is more likely to be scum than Shadoweh? If the answer is no, then it's time to stop the act and actually use your vote. You've made your point, I've said I'm sorry, please play like a normal person because I've had enough of herding people around. I've tried reaching out to you several times already and you're unwilling to compromise even when we have obvious scum in the thread. It hurts, especially because I know it's my fault but you won't even acknowledge that I'm trying to work with you. I really, really hope you're Town, because it'd be a pretty dirty move as scum after all this.


I think Shadoweh's interactions are probably more useful for analysis than the VCA would be and if I'm prioritizing for stuff to do tomorrow I'll get on those first.

[Tierce]

Also Tierce stop fake 'contributing to the town/herding around' by trying to convince spyrex of something he is not going to do. In fact I think a spyrex lynch is in order if he changes his vote to shadoweh, even though a shadoweh vote lynches scum. Town spyrex will never ever shift his vote like that. If he does this, he's scum and should die.

Kindly bugger off, Mister Two Hundred And Thirty Seven Posts. Don't like me trying to work with the person I've been calling Town since D1? Tough. Perhaps you should go back to screaming ineffectively about the game. Yeah, I have more pull than you and I am actually trying to work with my Townreads. Get that into your head and realize that it's because I'm working toward my wincon. You could learn something from that instead of post after post of generalized screeching.

[Tierce]

Tierce is scum.

Oh, I wish. Would make this game so much easier to endure.

[Tierce]

Also Tierce stop fake 'contributing to the town/herding around' by trying to convince spyrex of something he is not going to do. In fact I think a spyrex lynch is in order if he changes his vote to shadoweh, even though a shadoweh vote lynches scum.

Town spyrex will never ever shift his vote like that. If he does this, he's scum and should die.

Seriously, what the fuck is your problem? Wouldn't it be great, then, if scum SpyreX faked acquiescence and bussed his buddy and we lynched him Tomorrow?

But no, Tierce trying to draw SpyreX out is bad and scummy, obviously. Probably orthodox, too. Haven't we established yet that I know SpyreX better than you do, or would you like a refresher?


PEdit: No? Depends. Trying to clear people in a Large game is a pretty silly thing to do, you don't know what can interfere with your "innocent". Nothing interferes with a good crumb + guilty. Look at the flip, it didn't match the N1 death. Look at Shadoweh's disappearance after softclaiming. Would Town Shadoweh, firmly convinced that it was weird sirdanilot was not around at deadline, vanish after

softclaiming

with a crumbed guilty on her?

[Tierce]

shos:

The first step to getting to hold my crimes against me is to actually prove I've done horrible things.

You mean like that case I posted about you?

Don't worry, they're going to quicklynch you tomorrow.

And I'll be waiting for you with bated breath and a lot of Catch-22 Mafia memories. You have the floor, sir.

[Tierce]

Aren't you curious about shos?

Bated breath + memories of the last time someone fakeclaimed a result on me is about as curious as I get at 6 am.

[Tierce]

Wait, ActionDan. Who did you think I was talking to in Post 1493?

[Tierce]

I wanted to shake things up, or at least draw the NK.

That's bullshit. And still does not address my point that you have done nothing to engage with the game--and neither have you done any sort of analysis on what the reactions to your claim were. You're a good enough player that you know pointless fakeclaims as Town are destructive, and yours had no goal to it other than to draw counterclaims.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Tierce]

Obviously!

[Tierce]

So now that we're done with Stupid Wagons, Part 9 of 37, can we please lynch ABR?

Look at the progression. There is nothing wrong with wagon-hopping per se, ABR does it a lot as Town, but he's not probing at the people he's voting in any manner. In the game I linked, he even tried to bully a Town player into voting his suspect by voting him. Here? The votes are really bland, and he immediately hops off rather than doing anything resembling convincing others.

Look at this sequence:

Unvote, vote Desperado

Limited access

sirdanilot seems town don't lynch him

I'll go for Elscouta, or Desperado, or any number of other players lol

Unvote, vote Tierce

Laying down a vote like that can only come from scum.

Unvote, vote VOTE: PeregrineV

Unvote, vote Spyrex

This does not read like the thoguht process of someone who said this:

Thank you, Tierce. I was not motivated to read the game until you posted that.

I was absent in the pages leading to Aegor's lynch, missed the claim, missed the lynch, and didn't understand the flip. I came back today and instead of a simple catch-up post being made available by players who are more invested in the game, I receive accusations and attacks and threats to replace out. Tierce was the only one who was at least nice about asking me to read. Notice how I didn't sheep her CES vote, which is what I would do if I wanted to buddy her. No, I just think she's nice, and I appreciate it.

Where's the interest in the game? Regardless of whether or not he read D1, he's clearly not bothering to read D2 either, and there's no weight behind his votes.

ABR knows he has a meta for vote-hopping, but this game is missing the actual Town part of his vote-hopping, where he puts his money where his vote is.

His posts are transparent and he just post whatever comes to his mind holding nothing back. That's not the attitude of someone that is scum. Like he says, stop voting for players based on their playstyle. Now I know you all like Tierce's playstyle, and she's nice, and cunning, and appears confident in her reads, but she's the most likely scum in my opinion.

Color me puzzled: you are calling me scum because I voted you. Because I voted you with a damned good reason based on you doing

nothing

after an apparent promise to get engaged in the game. This isn't scummy, your vote on me is.

So much for shaking things up and pushing his scumreads. Tell me where ABR explains his scumread on me, I'll wait.

[Tierce]

Oh, of course, how could I have missed that.

[Tierce]

Ok Tierce.

Look at that. LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE.

You see why I'm not budging on this?

I don't care. A scumteam that goes after TIP after ABR fakeclaimed is a scumteam that was looking for soft/counterclaims. Not particularly bothered by someone who is trying to sell me and sirdanilot as scumbuddies. Snake, head, etc.

ActionDan, you have one post to explain that scumread on me.

[Tierce]

Tierce am I losing my mind or do you mean sirdan?

Lets play pretend and say I was willing to move my vote. What's in it for me?

That said:

Sirdan is 100% town and I'm sad at how busy I've been that it took me this long to realize it.
JacobSavage is waaay more likely town than not now.
Scum probably have a rolecop.

I want someone who can decipher shadoweh to go a huntin. I know people say I'm hard to follow, but shit. The only one that really makes me nervous is the CES hate but SSK's 180 I'd HOPE was related to his role somehow.

SSK probably tracked CES nowhere, which doesn't really say much because tracker innocents are a dime a dozen.

By "snake, head, etc." I mean ABR. Pretty sure I've said repeatedly that I think sirdanilot is Town and wouldn't shed a tear if we lynched him and he flipped Innocent Child, so etc..

Regarding Jacob, I agree. I was thinking yesterday that one of {ABR, Jacob} had to be scum, but SSK flipping tracker pretty clearly means that one extra protection that doesn't alter the lynch threshold + Aegor's role makes sense as Town in a game that starts at evens, while ABR being fakeclaiming scum slots in nicely with the silly amount of investigative roles.

I still want to do the Shadoweh hunt, ended up not doing it overNight.

[Tierce]

That was more a general thing. But I have to make sure we stay on the same page:

Sirdan isn't dying. You should know why.

But come on butter my bread. You know what I want.

I'd rather not do that before going through Shadoweh's stuff, since I don't quite know what I'd ask in return besides ABR.

[Tierce]

There are arguments for and against it. Wouldn't be surprised either way, it's a WIFOM game.

[Tierce]

Actually no, you asked for answers to a hypothetical question. I am not interested in the details of this hypothesis at this point, and therefore am not interested in giving you a more detailed answer. It doesn't concern me, because without details about the reads of this hypothetical Jailkeeper and how likely they thought the Cop claim was true and how likely it was that the Cop was to be Nightkilled if the claim was true, all you're getting is "a Jailkeeper might or might not think that jailing the claimed Cop is a proTown action". It's a WIFOM game and getting down to number-crunching, which would be my personal answer, is a matter for MD, not for a game where we're lynching ABR. Move along.

[Tierce]

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

Sirdan is still scum and if Spy or Tierce or AD could explain why he's 100% town that would be great

Seriously. Look back. This one isn't hard.

Of course I'm pretty sure your scum so.

I did look back. All I can find from you is that he's 100% town. Help?

SpyreX thinks he's a Weak Doctor innocent. I don't care, sirdanilot could be painted in virginal white for all that I have any wish to interact with that slot. One more excuse not to read his posts, so I guess I win.

What are your thoughts on the game? Surely a week-long vacation from posting should give us something more than "I don't get this Townread".

[Tierce]

Why is Tierce scum, sirdanilot? If it is because she dislike reading your posts, that would make almost everyone scum, you know...

Let us go back to Day 3 for this, Els.
No, because Tierce hopped onto my wagon at this point. While she never ever read me scum before that. She is also abusing her ridiculous feminism-driven hate of me (privileged male) as an excuse to want to lynch me, DESPITE the fact that she townreads me.

ahahahaha

So wait, you wanted to lynch me at the time because we were supposedly out of time for counterwagons. I flipped to you less than an hour away from deadline because after I struggled to push an alternative wagon, I could not. Lynching you would have been better than no-lynching, I don't deny that. What you did was super duper Townie and my actions... weren't? How come?

And good job trying to sell me again as a man-hater that wants to lynch you when... I am not voting you. I don't care if you live or die because your posts keep proving you are a terrible player and likely to lose this in LyLo. I don't like playing with you. But unlike you, I am not pushing a petty vendetta because you voted me at Day's end. I'm trying to lynch scum while you screech like a petulant child.

[Tierce]

This game needs more Benmage. Then I can go stark raving mad in a corner while half the Town claims guilties on the other and sirdanilot builds a statue to his own skill and meta knowledge.

CES--thoughts on Shadoweh's stuff?


Someone reasonable in this game is probably scum and my heart can't take the Dragon's treatment again so soon.

[Tierce]

Whatevs, SSK, if you're scum and are making me kill a good townie I hate you. AND I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN.

VOTE: CES

There's also this and it just taught me a shortcut for vote code.

So much for that but I should still enact this plan of not reading his posts.

[Tierce]

Town
{Tierce, Sirdan, Shos, Spyrex}

Town Lean
{CES, Elscouta, Desperado}

Temporary Town Permit (Useful Until Proven Otherwise)
{ActionDan, TIP, JacobSavage, ABR}

Scum
{Espy, Shadoweh}

Outliers (Null and useless)
{PV, MafiaSSK}

VOTE: Espeonage

...well, nevermind that innocent. I knew something wasn't adding up in my memory.

[Tierce]

It's totally irrelevant, if it was SSK, so.


Elscouta, are you currently at your computer with some time in your hands, or...?

[Tierce]

It's totally irrelevant, if it was SSK, so.


Elscouta, are you currently at your computer with some time in your hands, or...?

I'm going to bed (...at 8 am), but I will want an answer to this in regards to this specific timeframe; I want info from now, not actually looking to coordinate a readthrough. So please answer it ASAP.

[Tierce]

CES, you're ignoring me again. Don't make me steal that wizard's hat and wrap it in tinfoil.

[Tierce]

VOTE COUNT 1:18

Shadoweh

- 1 - PeregrineV

Espeonage

- 2 - SpyreX, ActionDan

JacobSavage

- 7 - Tierce, Desperado, sirdanilot, shos, Albert B. Rampage,

MafiaSSK

,

Aegor

TheIrishPope

- 5 -

Natirasha

,

Shadoweh

, Espeonage, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elscouta

Tierce

- 2 -

chamber

,

TheIrishPope

sirdanilot

- 1 - JacobSavage

Not voting (0)

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

.

I like this VC. I believe there is 2 scum on each wagon or at least 2 on the JS wagon. and 1 big maybe scum off either.

Shadoweh's abrupt jump off Esponage earlier makes me think it's him on the TIP wagon. candidates for the JS wagon include ABR + 1 other. I'd pick shos but easily I can see Desperado. if it's not ABR then both work. Tierce as backup candidate.

So... you just said that virtually anyone in that wagon but sirdanilot could be scum.

And people wonder why VCA gets such a bad reputation nowadays.

[Tierce]

I think you're town and I'd have deadline-lynched you too and that has nothing to do with your backwardness.

It doesn't. But what she is doing, is she is

abusing

it.

Please enlighten me as how. I care about your opinion and feelings.

[Tierce]

You're looking at it in a vaccuum and Nuwen would be horrified at that pretense at VCA.

Did someone mention sleep? >.>

[Tierce]

Yes i am now on my computer. Will be for the next 2 hours.

Then can you explain why your posts today have been a rehash of stuff that doesn't require analysis, when you've had that opportunity?

sirdanilot: you being bigoted and privileged has nothing to do with your game skill. Unfortunately, the latter is pretty deplorable and you're using the former to justify scumreading me after I voted you at deadline. Are you going to call everyone who agreed with me on that one or who thinks your posts are painful scum? Because that kind of attitude is a symptom of the kind of player you are: not a good one.

And yet I am not pursuing a policy lynch on you. You can stop flailing around like a headless chicken. If you're not a distraction, there is no need to remove you, so stop being a distraction and you don't need to worry about getting lynched.

[Tierce]

Notice how Tierce, who sucks the joy out of anyone's soul and is probably scum, does not vote Esp, who is scum and should have died three game days ago.

I suspect that the person who sucks the joy out of everyone's soul in this game is looking you in the mirror.

Espeonage is not dying before the big fish. Don't care.

[Tierce]

Tierce, why are you still voting for me if you're town?

Because you're scum. You know better than to do what you did as Town, and you haven't acknowledged any of my earlier points. You know that the way to make me believe you is to work with and engage me, but instead you ignore me and prefer to go with... sirdanilot, the most erratic player in this game? Nope. It's rafters for you.

[Tierce]

Engh.

Whatever. Sleeping on this.

[Tierce]

shos, I need one piece of information: do you have confirmation that a Jailkeeper targeted ABR the last two Nights?

[Tierce]

And that is the only bit of information I need, so please stop the whole "If I get close to lynch etc." song and dance. Just answer that and I am okay with you keeping the rest to yourself.

[Tierce]

CES is way off the plate. Maaybe some kind of elaborate planning but I'm not entertaining it at this point.

Humor me. Why is he "off the plate"?

I have one reason for that, but I'd like to know yours first.

[Tierce]

Welp, I guess it was PV and not CES that threw JS directly to the wolves. My bad.

Of course I'm past humor time. Its time to humor me.

It hinges on shos being Town, but his would have to be the most extravagant bus I have ever seen, so I'm fine with that assumption.

The scum had a Rolecop to confirm the claim as soon as N2 and yet decided to Jail ABR N3. That's a stupid move and I don't think CES would go for it. Sounds more like they weren't paying attention. With Shadoweh and JacobSavage both being known for

sleeping through

not enjoying playing scum, I daresay the remaining scum lie among people who

aren't

optimization machines.

[Tierce]

Nothing keeps them from doing both? A Jailkeeper is not an Alien, and you claimed it had been a Jailkeeper's action. It'd certainly be smarter than using a Jailkeeper on two consecutive Nights on a role that claimed Even-Night.

[Tierce]

Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.

[Tierce]

Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.

Any scumteam, with any powers, is playing sub-optimally if they jked two consecutive nights. They might have a compulsive jk though.

The good actions would be jk n2 and cop n3. Instead they jked on both.

Then you agree with me that CES does not make sense as scum and this discussion is irrelevant.

[Tierce]

Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.

Any scumteam, with any powers, is playing sub-optimally if they jked two consecutive nights. They might have a compulsive jk though.

The good actions would be jk n2 and cop n3. Instead they jked on both.

Let's backtrack a bit, shos. Was trying to sleep and this kept niggling at me. We know the scumteam has/had a Shieldrender (Strongman + something would explain the abnormal name), a Jailkeeper with at least two shots, and a Rolecop. There might be other roles left.

What I meant is that Jailing

ABR

on an odd Night is suboptimal when they have a Rolecop. But what makes you think that a "Compulsive Jailkeeper" would be forced to target the

same person

across several Nights? It's not suboptimal to use the Jailkeeper ability by itself, it's a roleblock! But it's suboptimal to use it on someone they could have Rolecopped on N2. They had no guarantees that both the Jailkeeper and the Rolecop would survive D3, so if they

were

afraid of ABR, Rolecop + Jailkeep on N2 would be the optimal choice. Or at worst, kill him on N3 and let JacobSavage give a lame excuse.

They didn't. OTOH, they went after TIP and they caught a Tracker, and that takes me back to Post 1639 but that doesn't make sense with the above.

VOTE: ActionDan
Hi! Post 1567 wasn't posted just because I wanted to show off my pretty avatar.

[Tierce]

Don't worry your pretty little head, it's nothing that knowledgeable minds from 2006 would even consider worth their time!

[Tierce]

Fairly certain you already know how to do it; if you can't take your ridiculousness being tossed back on your face perhaps you should think before you post it. Too bad that you had to go and find a game where you're called on the silliness you spout off, right?

Tell me more how I keep trying to lynch you, I can't wait to hear it. That coupled with your latest Townread on me should make an excellent argument for how I'm scum.


shos--what did you mean, then?

[Tierce]

How is it a personal attack when I'm calling you out on your join date accusations silliness? You started it, I'm tossing it back at you, so if that's a personal attack and/or I'm sucking so much fun out of the game perhaps you should know so I can report you too. You certainly didn't seem to have any trouble with Majiffy's personal attacks toward me.

You asked how my ActionDan vote makes sense, I made it obvious I don't want to answer at the moment. I did it using the same kind of logic you do. Isn't it fun? No, I'm not answering, so you can stomp all you want.

[Tierce]

Put your tongue to better use and clean my asshole.

I can't wait to hear about these "personal attacks" and "sucking the fun out of the game" from the person who didn't say a word about this.

[Tierce]

Is everyone else in this game female?

No. (Surprise!)

There you go, I am not a man hater. Difficult conclusion, I know~

If you can't take your ridiculous statements being tossed back in your face, /don't make them/. I am not obligated to treat you better than you treat me. End of story.

[Tierce]

Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah, it was terrible of me to give him the chance to claim. You probably want to go through all my games and change my Town flips to red, then.

Still eagerly waiting for sirdanilot's explanation of how I'm scummy. Must be all the man-hate blinding me to it.

[Tierce]

Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah, it was terrible of me to give him the chance to claim. You probably want to go through all my games and change my Town flips to red, then.

Still eagerly waiting for sirdanilot's explanation of how I'm scummy. Must be all the man-hate blinding me to it.

Well, Shadow said the same thing.

And his claim was the only thing stopping him from being the lynch.

And you never spoke to or mentioned him again, even when he was counterwagonning you on the day of no-lynch (day2).

And he flipped scum.

And Shadow flipped scum.

But, I if someone has something better I'm willing to listen.

Well gosh darn it, I said something scum did!

Yes, the claim was the only thing that saved him from the lynch. That's what scum safeclaims do.

Have you actually read my posts, or are you throwing anything to see if it sticks? It was pretty clear why I wasn't pushing Jacob, and even a simple Ctrl+F for his name in my ISO would yield the following:

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

What the hell are you doing?

Why the heck would you, as Town, want him to claim this?

It's pretty obvious. If JacobSavage is scum and is ever tracked anywhere but the person he claims to protect, he's dead. If he's rolecopped and shown to be lying, he's dead. NONE of this nonsense you're asking would ever help Town.

is Jacob doing what I think he is doing?

If you mean Post 1296, that was a pretty obvious joke.

If you mean the coasting, I'm not too bothered about it at this point. If his claim is true, it's a role that is pretty demoralizing to play anyway, so as long as he has a good Townread I don't much care for the rest.

Tierce am I losing my mind or do you mean sirdan?

Lets play pretend and say I was willing to move my vote. What's in it for me?

That said:

Sirdan is 100% town and I'm sad at how busy I've been that it took me this long to realize it.
JacobSavage is waaay more likely town than not now.
Scum probably have a rolecop.

I want someone who can decipher shadoweh to go a huntin. I know people say I'm hard to follow, but shit. The only one that really makes me nervous is the CES hate but SSK's 180 I'd HOPE was related to his role somehow.

SSK probably tracked CES nowhere, which doesn't really say much because tracker innocents are a dime a dozen.

By "snake, head, etc." I mean ABR. Pretty sure I've said repeatedly that I think sirdanilot is Town and wouldn't shed a tear if we lynched him and he flipped Innocent Child, so etc..

Regarding Jacob, I agree. I was thinking yesterday that one of {ABR, Jacob} had to be scum, but SSK flipping tracker pretty clearly means that one extra protection that doesn't alter the lynch threshold + Aegor's role makes sense as Town in a game that starts at evens, while ABR being fakeclaiming scum slots in nicely with the silly amount of investigative roles.

I still want to do the Shadoweh hunt, ended up not doing it overNight.

On D2, I was pushing CES and ABR and having enough trouble with that already. There's only so many things I can look at at once and I don't care about a claimed Bodyguard for the above reasons.

You're trying to change history and you're not Amrun.

[Tierce]

Now. your AD vote is ok. but here's the thing. you said in the start of your post that it kept you awake. I get that too, sometimes. but here's the thing. when I get up from bed to post stuff on my head, I do that. I don't dig out post 1639 and post 1567.

That's fine, but I'm not you? It should be obvious by the 6:24 am timestamp and posts over the next two hours that my sleep habits aren't quite normal.

[Tierce]

shos: do you know what "to rend" means?

And Jailkeepers Roleblock and Protect, dummy. They DID Roleblock ABR, if you saw him being Jailed.

[Tierce]

For a strongman to exist town needs protective roles.

...yes, they're called Weak Doctor. And it's probably not just a regular Strongman, otherwise it'd have flipped Strongman given the Normal flavor of the remaining roles. Anyway, that's just speculation and all it does is not-clear CES from the N1 track because Shadoweh was probably their designated killer. Irrelevant given CES not making sense as scum for other reasons.

I don't think anyone is saying that the JK is likely to be Town.

[Tierce]

That is still odd; the doc is weak, why dedicate an entire role for that?

Why dedicate an entire role for a Cop--oh, wait.

Weak Doctor balances like a Cop, not like a Doctor.
Something else that came to mind, if Shieldrender is indeed Strongman--they could Jail someone and kill them. Roleblock + Kill OP.

shos, saying something scum also did is not a scumtell--their job is to look Town. And PV's posts are not coming from a Town player who actually read my ISO when he says that I ignored JacobSavage, so...?

[Tierce]

I dunno maybe it's shadoweh wanting to lynch SirDan over nl.

Still busy ignoring my question?

Child, please.

[Tierce]

That is still odd; the doc is weak, why dedicate an entire role for that?

Why dedicate an entire role for a Cop--oh, wait.

Weak Doctor balances like a Cop, not like a Doctor.
Something else that came to mind, if Shieldrender is indeed Strongman--they could Jail someone and kill them. Roleblock + Kill OP.

shos, saying something scum also did is not a scumtell--their job is to look Town. And PV's posts are not coming from a Town player who actually read my ISO when he says that I ignored JacobSavage, so...?

Actually, after his claim, you had NO interaction with him. Period.

You bring hiim up here:

Oh and JS please explain more about the specifics of your bodyguard claim when you get the chance.

i.e. are there conditionals (% chance of success, % chance of killing killer, etc)

What the hell are you doing?

Why the heck would you, as Town, want him to claim this?

It's pretty obvious. If JacobSavage is scum and is ever tracked anywhere but the person he claims to protect, he's dead. If he's rolecopped and shown to be lying, he's dead. NONE of this nonsense you're asking would ever help Town.

Then he votes you here:

VOTE: Tierce

And you defend him here:

VOTE: JS

This is a terrible vote. You're moving from a wagon with no momentum to another wagon with no momentum, and not making an ounce of effort to push it. If you're not voting your Townreads, then push your nullreads already.

But when you vote Shadow:

UNVOTE: Albert B. Rampage
VOTE: Shadoweh

Jacob follows:

VOTE: Shadoweh

Then you agree with SpryeX:

Regarding Jacob, I agree. I was thinking yesterday that one of {ABR, Jacob} had to be scum, but SSK flipping tracker pretty clearly means that one extra protection that doesn't alter the lynch threshold + Aegor's role makes sense as Town in a game that starts at evens, while ABR being fakeclaiming scum slots in nicely with the silly amount of investigative roles.

200 posts later, Jacob flips scum.

This is ridiculous. No, I didn't care about Jacob after he claimed, because he claimed Bodyguard. I was pushing CES and ABR, so too bad so sad if that's not enough for you that I kept Jacob's claim in mind while analyzing things. You're being disingenuous and taking things out of context to suit you. Majiffy votes Jacob near deadline, with no intent to compromise or actually push him, and I called him out on that. And I voted Shadoweh because I found Majiffy's crumb and everyone followed. Jacob's bussing of Shadoweh is not my problem.

ActionDan, PeregrineV, profit.


I am thrilled with sirdanilot's descriptions of my Town play. He has managed to praise it far more than I ever will, never knew I was a goddess at this game. Thank you!

I reread day 1, and the Tierce push on JacobSavage looks genuine. The triple request of a claim (per PV case) is a slight concern, but definitely not enough to remove the town points for forcing the scum rolecop to claim day 1.
.
However, i'm concerned about something. Sho and me have been reasonably widespread townreads, with a strong town read on each other. We have been "reasonably" active. We are day 5, and neither of us are dead. This does not compute.

So I tried to look a bit at the opinions of the dead people, especially regarding Tierce.
- chamber died n1, and he was really pushing Tierce-scum
- TIP died n2, and he was pushing ABR. He questionned Tierce towards the end of the day, and seemed to have kept the case "for later".
- MafiaSSK died n3. Guess who he was voting towards the end of his life : Tierce.
- Death of ABR is pretty neutral given he was confirmed town, and didn't do anything else than votehop on every single wagon.

So yeah. Three dead people, 3 people suspecting Tierce. Two reasonably high NK targets (shos and me), and one thing in common: never attacked Tierce during the first 3 days.

Vote: Tierce

That's not my kill pattern. As scum, my priority is Town-looking targets, because they're not lynchable--everyone in a game will likely suspect you at one point or another, so it's pretty stupid to leave a paper trail like that. shos and you would likely have been kill targets for me if I were scum.

[Tierce]

I dunno maybe it's shadoweh wanting to lynch SirDan over nl.

Still busy ignoring my question?

Child, please.

Chamber died N1 after expressing a scum read on you while no one else did and your posts didn't strike me as town. I have mentioned all of this before.

And you have yet to explain why my posts didn't strike you as Town. I expected something,

anything

after POWERFUL WIZARDRY was over, since you claimed that you can usually tell when I'm Town, but nary a peep. It's like that concurrent game didn't exist when you were analyzing things. You just didn't care about making comparisons to the most recent Town game I have and that you had direct experience with. Why?

[Tierce]

L-1

No. And if I were scum, you'd be giving me an out to throw a beautiful emotional tantrum when that fake hammer happened. Stop assuming people can't count if they roll scum, I know how to react "post"-hammer as scum because I'm a goddess at this game with my ~womanly wiles~. I'm Town, I'm not going to be lynched, vote ActionDan.

[Tierce]

Ecthelion > Gandalf, obv.

ActionDan, PeregrineV, profit.

really now.

your certainty in your assessment strikes me as something you wouldn't have if you were town here.

But I dunno.

Given that you have yet to state any sort of way my posts are not my Town play when you just played with me and that PeregrineV is pushing a terrible case when the person who knows me best is V/LA, damn right I'm certain. Elscouta is another possibility given the lack of analysis earlier and the "let's look at dead Town's reads on Tierce" without studying their reads on other people, including the dead scum. I'd put money on these three lynches winning the game.

[Tierce]

I'll be here in a few hours, but I still have some stuff to do before I have free time.

@Plum: V/LA until Monday 24.

[Tierce]

Tierce you're drivin me nuts this game.

ActionDan, PeregrineV, profit

AD - scum means JS tossed him out in his nonsense night action claims which I have a hard time buying assuming rationality but..JS so maybe.
But then PV is the one who insta-votes him for it?

One man down, another on the block and two others (more likely than not the entire rest of the scumteam) throw themselves out in a way that isn't gonna stop that lynch or even really make them look better for it?

I have a hard time choking that down.

You said it yourself--JacobSavage claimed to protect ActionDan when he had just said that he had done the "obvious choice"--whatever the obvious choice was, it was not Action "One-Liner" Dan. shos was talking about his result--and any member of a scumteam would already know that JacobSavage didn't target ABR N2 if shos is Town. So tell me why Peregrine scum wouldn't immediately toss his hat in the ring for a bus when the lynch is inevitable?

If tierce doesn't answer why he didn't see that Shadoweh was scum at the point I described then I'm not changing my vote

Oh my, I'm shaking.

Dahling, you've been praising my play far too well, I don't want that to end, so do go on doing what you are. If Shadoweh was so obvious scum, care to explain why ActionDan, who knows her better than I do, didn't spot it and essentially asked her to convince him to vote for you on D2? Either he's scum, or it wasn't obvious, and there was no wagon on her so it certainly wasn't my opinion alone that kept her unlynched before D3. Your bitching about it is still not my problem.


Elscouta: I guess? You'd probably be better served looking through my MD posts. This is a position I hold, though it doesn't necessarily correspond to the kills I make as scum because y'know, partners. IIRC, that was one of reasons I argued for Nacho's death in The Red Wedding. Point being: your reasoning is wrong because I don't support "people suspect

me

, let's kill them" as scum, so that kill pattern isn't mine.


If PeregrineV is Town and can't see the advantage of focusing on people who haven't claimed a protective role on D1, I don't know what else to say. He's saying that as scum, I drove my Rolecop buddy to claim Bodyguard on D1, knowing all kinds of roles that could catch him in a lie, from any sort of tracking abilities to investigative ones, in a

Plum

game of all things? He claimed Bodyguard, I believed him, I moved the fuck on.

Do you want an actual recap of D1?

VOTE COUNT 1:15

Shadoweh

- 1 - PeregrineV

Natirasha

- 1 - Desperado

Espeonage

- 7 - SpyreX, Shadoweh, Natirasha, Cogito Ergo Sum, sirdanilot, MafiaSSK, ActionDan

sirdanilot

- 1 - Albert B. Rampage

JacobSavage

- 2 - Tierce, Elscouta

MafiaSSK

- 2 - chamber, TheIrishPope

ActionDan

- 1 - shos

PeregrineV

- 1 - Aegor

Not voting (2)

: JacobSavage, Espeonage

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

.

VOTE: TheIrishPope

VOTE: Natirasha

##Vote: TIP

Can I get someone interested in this lovely JacobSavage wagon? No? How about with the fact that he's questioning Espeonage about why he chose to do something here that was obviously a premade decision and that has nothing to do with his alignment? He's asking him why he chose to claim VT PRIOR TO THE START OF THE GAME. Oh, I don't know, the answer "because Espeonage is an idiot" might be relevant to his alignment before he even gets a role PM. You can judge someone on WHY they choose to follow the decision they made on an isolated, no-role-PM context, but not on why they made the decision in the first place and it should be obvious why.

They were starting to push a TIP wagon. TIP was Town. Espeonage was being wagoned. Regardless of Espeonage's alignment, why on Earth would Tierce-scum derail a nice double-wagon on people who are not her Rolecop buddy to push said scum Rolecop? If Espeonage is scum and I was scum looking for a bus, his wagon was ripe and awesome and effortless. If Espeonage is Town and I was scum, I would have declined two Town wagons to push a scum PR in a likely power-heavy game and force him into a terrible claim that was bound to screw him over. It'd be a high-risk, low-profit move. As sirdanilot so eloquently put it, I am a goddess at this game and goddesses of practicality don't make errors of judgment like that.

I'm Town. I bought the claim, and saying that "everyone doubted JacobSavage's claim EXCEPT Tierce" is pretty obviously not what happened given how D2 and D3 played out.

But do continue to argue about me dropping a push on a player whose claim I accepted as probably-true-and-not-my-problem-anyway. How many people on that D1 wagon are you going to lynch because they didn't go after Jacob before late D3?

Vote: Tierce

Nothing really retracting from that read.

This should be real good.


---


Desperado: I don't think Shadoweh was bussing at the end of D2. It's much easier to see the interaction between her and ActionDan at that point as scum theater (including the whole "why isn't sirdanilot around to protest his lynch at 4:30 am!" between them) than her jump on the wagon at my behest (oooh, fancy vocabulary, it's evidence of all my Amazon goddess powers) on her scumbuddy, when we know she could easily pretend to be asleep instead of bussing.

And I'm

brilliant

at this game, so you should vote with me and wait until sirdanilot inevitably fucks this up in LyLo.

[Tierce]

And now, for mountains and lakes and puppies. I should be around in the evenings.

[Tierce]

I am talking about day 3, not day 2. If you reread the events on day 2 the only obvious conclusion was that Shadoweh was scum.
Why did you not see that immediately?

Still not changin my vote, and you're getting awful close to a lynch, so why not just answer?

Because it was not the "only obvious conclusion". Her behavior around the D2 deadline looked Town.

Difficult to get that from my posts, I know, must be the whole GOD(DESS) TALK that you're not able to decipher.

D3 started. I voted my main suspect, then went back and looked at Natirasha and Majiffy's posts. I should have used my goddess powers to travel back in time and discover the crumb before Plum even posted Majiffy's flip. Will do so next time, thanks for the notice! ^_^


While we are at it, because I am a kind and benevolent goddess of femininity, let's go and look at your D2 posts leading into D3:

Majiffy's Shadoweh case actually looks good, though I always read him town until now, so not sheeping.

4. The town's core, even though not all of these are necessarily town, they are the only ones that keep some amount of movement in the game
Majiffy, Shadoweh, sirdanilot, Tierce, Cogito Ergo Sum (also 3)

Still Townreading Shadoweh, and in the next post you say that CES is the most "scumread" of the list, so it's not like you're going after Shadoweh.

I prefer Jiffy's reads to AD's reads, or at least the abr/ces part.

AD aren't you scum?

Fine with that Shadoweh Townread still.

MafiaSSK - no read / nothing particularly stroke out one way or another, but i didn't look particularly in this direction
Shadoweh - medium town read. Originally strong town read due to the general tone of her posts. Some doubt now due to Majiffy case (that i didn't digest fully, but that makes kinda sense) and the fact that she seems to hang out with bad people / on bad wagons
TIP - slight scum read. Mostly i find him useless and very condescending. Useless is neutral read, but condescending / discrediting cases is something a bit more scummy in my book
sho - very strong town read. Common suspicions, some posts that sounded very townie (most recent being #1275).

This is horrible, especially the medium/null kinds of reads. I can understand your shos and Shadoweh reads. Your TIP read in principle I do not disagree with but your reasons are crap and pulled from a fresh backside ('condescending' as a scumtell? Really?). Your MafiaSSK read points to him being your buddy if MafiaSSK flips scum and vice versa.

Still Townreading Shadoweh.

You don't mention her again until D3, where you vote her after I reveal Majiffy's crumb. So tell me again how Shadoweh was so obvious scum that I should have time-traveled to be able to spot it before I went through Majiffy's ISO on D3?

[Tierce]

And now if you'll excuse me, I'd rather go back to scumhunting instead of admiring your Renaissance painting of my glorious image.

Good

goddess

me I'm rereading the game why

As much as I get all kinds of bad flashbacks about dragons when trying to read Desperado, the fact that he dropped his vote on Natirasha-Town on D1, later called Majiffy Town, and this specific pair of posts--

But, ABR is running at 100% below minimal.

Does he do that often as scum? We just finished a perfect scum win together and he was significantly more interested in the game than he appears to be right now.

^ I don't think being interested in the game or not is a scum tell, though being interested does help your faction.

I wasn't speaking generally, I was talking about Albert specifically. My experience with his scum game is that he cares very much about what is going on and is extremely involved. Have you played with him before?

--rings pretty Town. When he later voted ABR, he didn't use PeregrineV or sirdanilot's stances to justify it; it seemed a pretty fluid change of read, which makes these two posts genuine inquiry instead of trying to edge in a vote.

[Tierce]

EBWOP:

given how D2 and D3

and D4

played out.

But do continue to argue about me dropping a push on a player whose claim I accepted as probably-true-and-not-my-problem-anyway. How many people on that D1 wagon are you going to lynch because they didn't go after Jacob before late D

4

?

How the Ages fly when you're fighting for your life and throwing people down the mountainside.

[Tierce]

...

Are my posts invisible? Bolded for your skimming convenience:

Tierce you're drivin me nuts this game.

ActionDan, PeregrineV, profit

AD - scum means JS tossed him out in his nonsense night action claims which I have a hard time buying assuming rationality but..JS so maybe.
But then PV is the one who insta-votes him for it?

One man down, another on the block and two others (more likely than not the entire rest of the scumteam) throw themselves out in a way that isn't gonna stop that lynch or even really make them look better for it?

I have a hard time choking that down.

You said it yourself--JacobSavage claimed to protect ActionDan when he had just said that he had done the "obvious choice"--whatever the obvious choice was, it was not Action "One-Liner" Dan. shos was talking about his result--and any member of a scumteam would already know that JacobSavage didn't target ABR N2 if shos is Town.

So tell me why Peregrine scum wouldn't immediately toss his hat in the ring for a bus when the lynch is inevitable?

[...]

If PeregrineV is Town and can't see the advantage of focusing on people who haven't claimed a protective role on D1, I don't know what else to say.

He's saying that as scum, I drove my Rolecop buddy to claim Bodyguard on D1, knowing all kinds of roles that could catch him in a lie, from any sort of tracking abilities to investigative ones, in a

Plum

game of all things? He claimed Bodyguard, I believed him, I moved the fuck on.

Do you want an actual recap of D1?

VOTE COUNT 1:15

Shadoweh

- 1 - PeregrineV

Natirasha

- 1 - Desperado

Espeonage

- 7 - SpyreX, Shadoweh, Natirasha, Cogito Ergo Sum, sirdanilot, MafiaSSK, ActionDan

sirdanilot

- 1 - Albert B. Rampage

JacobSavage

- 2 - Tierce, Elscouta

MafiaSSK

- 2 - chamber, TheIrishPope

ActionDan

- 1 - shos

PeregrineV

- 1 - Aegor

Not voting (2)

: JacobSavage, Espeonage

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

.

VOTE: TheIrishPope

VOTE: Natirasha

##Vote: TIP

Can I get someone interested in this lovely JacobSavage wagon? No? How about with the fact that he's questioning Espeonage about why he chose to do something here that was obviously a premade decision and that has nothing to do with his alignment? He's asking him why he chose to claim VT PRIOR TO THE START OF THE GAME. Oh, I don't know, the answer "because Espeonage is an idiot" might be relevant to his alignment before he even gets a role PM. You can judge someone on WHY they choose to follow the decision they made on an isolated, no-role-PM context, but not on why they made the decision in the first place and it should be obvious why.

They were starting to push a TIP wagon. TIP was Town. Espeonage was being wagoned. Regardless of Espeonage's alignment, why on Earth would Tierce-scum derail a nice double-wagon on people who are not her Rolecop buddy to push said scum Rolecop? If Espeonage is scum and I was scum looking for a bus, his wagon was ripe and awesome and effortless. If Espeonage is Town and I was scum, I would have declined two Town wagons to push a scum PR in a likely power-heavy game and force him into a terrible claim that was bound to screw him over. It'd be a high-risk, low-profit move. As sirdanilot so eloquently put it, I am a goddess at this game and goddesses of practicality don't make errors of judgment like that.

I'm Town. I bought the claim, and saying that "everyone doubted JacobSavage's claim EXCEPT Tierce" is

pretty obviously not what happened given how D2 and D3 played out.

But do continue to argue about me dropping a push on a player whose claim I accepted as probably-true-and-not-my-problem-anyway. How many people on that D1 wagon are you going to lynch because they didn't go after Jacob before late D

4

?

He's scum. Pls bus.

[Tierce]

Ok I thought his last posts might have changed your mind.

VOTE: tierce

You mean the posts in which he continues to push a crappy case based on things that aren't scummy, and cherry picks through the posts that are convenient to said case instead of doing proper analysis?

Oh okay.


CES is V/LA, shos.

[Tierce]

Nope. And especially not when the person who can actually read me and has been Townreading me just happens to be away for the week. The timing is perfect, right after CES declares V/LA.

"Preliminary" reading that has a terrible excuse for a vote because I asked for a claim and Shadoweh did the same, and is tailored to suit his purposes because Desperado proved sirdanilot did the same as well. Shadoweh did it, so Tierce doing it is scum! ...but sirdanilot doing it isn't. He's applying scumminess selectively, which means he's not truly looking for scum but for a nice target.
Claimed that I never mentioned JacobSavage again, which was not accurate.
Then amended it to me not going after him, and even

defending

Jacob, which is a direct contradiction to me not having mentioned Jacob. Either way, still not accurate, as I was saying that Majiffy's solo-vote on a wagon, which he placed five hours to deadline, was terrible; it had nothing to do with Jacob.
He misrepresented my view of Jacob by implying I called him confTown, which is a few hundred miles away from "this is a claim that sorts itself out".
He then proceeds to spin D2 and D3 into a weird convolution in which Jacob sheeps my Shadoweh conf-scum vote after Jacob voted me the previous Day as me being scum... for no reason, as I have nothing to do with Jacob's Shadoweh bus.

And that streak of posts starting at 1915 that you appear to like? Directed at shos, sirdanilot, Espeonage, ActionDan. Impressionable and volatile, impressionable and volatile, impressionable and volatile, scum. What a really Townish way of gathering votes instead of trying to communicate with the ones who

can

read me.

I'm still waiting for the meta that never came, Mr. Dan. Feel free to attach it to an explanation as to how any of the above is Town-motivated and not scummy spin.

[Tierce]

Desperado: I don't think Shadoweh was bussing at the end of D2. It's much easier to see the interaction between her and ActionDan at that point as scum theater (including the whole "why isn't sirdanilot around to protest his lynch at 4:30 am!" between them) than her jump on the wagon at my behest (oooh, fancy vocabulary, it's evidence of all my Amazon goddess powers) on her scumbuddy, when we know she could easily pretend to be asleep instead of bussing.

It's only bussing if there's a corpse. I've already established that by the time she followed you on to sirdan, a NL was imminent. Following a town leader on to a scum wagon that you know will never come to fruition is a high-upside, no risk decision to make as scum.

Majiffy was around and posting elsewhere. There was plenty of risk.

What do you think of Peregrine and ActionDan?

[Tierce]

I am talking about day 3, not day 2. If you reread the events on day 2 the only obvious conclusion was that Shadoweh was scum.
Why did you not see that immediately?

Still not changin my vote, and you're getting awful close to a lynch, so why not just answer?

Because it was not the "only obvious conclusion". Her behavior around the D2 deadline looked Town.


Des, then the same question goes for you on how that case comes from Town.
Difficult to get that from my posts, I know, must be the whole GOD(DESS) TALK that you're not able to decipher.

D3 started. I voted my main suspect, then went back and looked at Natirasha and Majiffy's posts. I should have used my goddess powers to travel back in time and discover the crumb before Plum even posted Majiffy's flip. Will do so next time, thanks for the notice! ^_^

Weren't you reading the day during the night and saw the only obvious conclusion that Shadoweh was scum? Why on earth would she have otherwise flipped to me in such a scummy way?

I am not going to argue with you that I read shadoweh kinda town up to and including day 2. Congrats. But as soon as I read the events resulting in the no lynch, it was extremely obvious to me that shadoweh was scum.

Everyone and their mother has said that compromising on you at deadline is not scummy. YOU compromised on me because there was no time to get a wagon elsewhere, so don't start that shitty argument again because if you are Town you should know deadline switches to avoid no-lynches are not scummy, even if they fall in your royally super duper obvTown Highnass. She didn't look like scum, so I voted her when I found the actual evidence against her.

[Tierce]

Oh, great, kindle posting mishap. One moment.

[Tierce]

I am talking about day 3, not day 2. If you reread the events on day 2 the only obvious conclusion was that Shadoweh was scum.
Why did you not see that immediately?

Still not changin my vote, and you're getting awful close to a lynch, so why not just answer?

Because it was not the "only obvious conclusion". Her behavior around the D2 deadline looked Town.

Difficult to get that from my posts, I know, must be the whole GOD(DESS) TALK that you're not able to decipher.

D3 started. I voted my main suspect, then went back and looked at Natirasha and Majiffy's posts. I should have used my goddess powers to travel back in time and discover the crumb before Plum even posted Majiffy's flip. Will do so next time, thanks for the notice! ^_^

Weren't you reading the day during the night and saw the only obvious conclusion that Shadoweh was scum? Why on earth would she have otherwise flipped to me in such a scummy way?

I am not going to argue with you that I read shadoweh kinda town up to and including day 2. Congrats. But as soon as I read the events resulting in the no lynch, it was extremely obvious to me that shadoweh was scum.

Everyone and their mother has said that compromising on you at deadline is not scummy. YOU compromised on me because there was no time to get a wagon elsewhere, so don't start that shitty argument again because if you are Town you should know deadline switches to avoid no-lynches are not scummy, even if they fall in your royally super duper obvTown Highnass. She didn't look like scum, so I voted her when I found the actual evidence against her.


Des, then the same question goes for you on how that case comes from Town.

[Tierce]

Everyone and their mother has said that compromising on you at deadline is not scummy. YOU compromised on me because there was no time to get a wagon elsewhere, so don't start that shitty argument again because if you are Town you should know deadline switches to avoid no-lynches are not scummy, even if they fall in your royally super duper obvTown Highnass. She didn't look like scum, so I voted her when I found the actual evidence against her.

1. I was obvtown (and am epecially since the shadoweh flip); you were not. She firmly townread me throughout the entire game, she assumed I was town. And she was right in doing so of course. Her flip made no sense. She could have also flipped to you, but she didn't.
2. The way in which she did it does not ring like a 'meh I still think sirdan is town but I want to lynch him anyway'to me. It rang like she was fabricating a scumread on me to get away with it. You, as the selft proclaimed mafiascum goddess should have spotted that.

Child, please.

Ok I thought his last posts might have changed your mind.

VOTE: tierce

You mean the posts in which he continues to push a crappy case based on things that aren't scummy, and cherry picks through the posts that are convenient to said case instead of doing proper analysis?

Show me proper analysis.

And make it not based on how someone reads you.

In addition to everything else, You've pushed and released Jacob (scum).
Pushed Majiffy-scum (town).
Pushed Shadow-scum (scum)
Pushed ABR-scum (town).
Pushed CES-scum, but he's now town.

I have shown proper analysis. Guess you're too busy in your cherry picking skimming fields of happiness.

"In addition to all this other bullshit, here's a list of people Tierce has suspected that does not have any sort of analysis from my end but I'm trying to pass off as relevant."

We have a spare phase, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch Tierce here.

Child, please.

Spyrex I said multiple times that I am willing to vote Esp. But if nobody is following, Tierce is the way to go.

Oh honey, do continue to push that vendetta, it feels so good. A+ scumhunting would totes read again.

Tierce dear why dont you save your own skin by voting Esp? It would be a good vote. If she's your buddy then you did a mega good bus, and if not you lynched scum !

Child, please.

Look we have 4 people if you join us in bussing your buddy tierce ! Pah-leeeeaaaase

Child, please.


Can I once again bring up ActionDan not making any effort to show differences between this and our last CONCURRENT game together, where I was Town? All this "I usually read Tierce as Town when she's Town" but not a word about that game, we wouldn't want to delve into meta after bringing it up. Let's just try to make sure we can push the alternative mislynch instead, even when D1 is really bloody good evidence that I'm not scum and certainly not with Espeonage.

[Tierce]

Elscouta, less stalling, more posting and voting. You don't get to do any oh whoops guess it's close to deadline better vote Tierce again nevermind that she's Town because there are no alternatives, ssh shh nobody will notice that I didn't try to make those alternatives happen.


And yet you're incapable of showing how my play here differs from either of those games.
Imagine that.

[Tierce]

and it's not from posting style because that is fairly consistent between all games you have ever played.

It very much isn't, but keep pretending you 'know' how to read me as Town. You were playing a concurrent game with me. I was Town. You can't tell the difference but ~somehow~ I am scum in this game?

[Tierce]

Also nevermind about that V/LA, weekend plans fell through so hey you get to deal with me calling you out on your scumminess. Yay!

[Tierce]

Pushing a disingenuous case under convenient circumstances is not Town, attempting to gather gullible voters specifically is not Town, and I have shown that is not my kill pattern. Too bad you can't actually be bothered to connect your reads to the game you're playing.

[Tierce]

Oh hey, you read one of my posts! Well done! Now try to read the rest and you might get to eat dessert!

[Tierce]

Then you ought to know by now that your "case" on me is terrible, that PeregrineV's is scummy, and that ActionDan is trying to edge his way into whichever wagon happens Today. But no, we get posts like 2012, how thrilling.

[Tierce]

We're not going to lynch Tierce (or Spyspy for that matter) when ABR got JKed by the scum N2 and N3.

Desperado is the right lynch; I'd settle for Elscouta but I don't particularly think that's going to happen. ActionDan looks better now in hindsight given that JS claimed to target him, so I'd probably put Esp as the third best bet for scum.

I don't think Desperado would do something stupid like that either, though. From what I remember of Paradox Prime, the puppy's thoughts were that he had his shit together far too well to be Town (bzzzt!).


Re: ActionDan, I thought about Jacob's claim, but:

I targetted AD because ABR was practically useless any way, and AD was in my mind the strongest town read.

This isn't a particularly Town endorsement given his only interaction with ActionDan, at the end of D2, when things were getting down to the wire:

AD What do you think of Spyonage?

The previous VC was the following:

Espeonage - 1 - SpyreX
Albert B. Rampage - 4 - Tierce, Shadoweh, sirdanilot, TheIrishPope
sirdanilot - 5 - Desperado, Espeonage, MafiaSSK, Elscouta, shos
PeregrineV - 2 - Majiffy, Cogito Ergo Sum
Shadoweh - 1 - PeregrineV
Tierce - 2 - Albert B. Rampage, ActionDan

Not voting (1): JacobSavage

It's filler unrelated to the last day of D2; Jacob never truly interacted with ActionDan. He was just the easy pick given Jacob's reads list and it'd be just as easy to ask that question of a scumbuddy for ~scumhunting~ when the answers don't matter.

[Tierce]

Elscouta, less stalling, more posting and voting. You don't get to do any oh whoops guess it's close to deadline better vote Tierce again nevermind that she's Town because there are no alternatives, ssh shh nobody will notice that I didn't try to make those alternatives happen.


And yet you're incapable of showing how my play here differs from either of those games.
Imagine that.

Dude you refused to quote me somewhere where you argued for this kind of kill style. You spoke about MD, but didn't link anything.

If you force me to do it myself, i'll do it when I want.

If I remembered stuff in detail with pretty keywords and whatnot, I would have linked you. I didn't because this is a stance that is probably scattered throughout the site. But you said you were looking through this, then vanished and didn't come back with a conclusion. Make a decision.

[Tierce]

Deadline is in 2 days, 21 hours, 12 minutes

Not particularly.

[Tierce]

Hey. Hey Espeonage.

There is no reason for you to be voting me if you're Town. I'm Town and I have been making that exceedingly obvious. Off with you and vote ActionDan.

[Tierce]

PeregrineV tried to claim Majiffy died because he investigated me. Which is hilariously tacked on to the ever-growing pile of bullshit nonsense he's trying to pass off as a case on me.

PeregrineV Tomorrow. "But Tierce whyyyyy aren't you showing your work when you have already done so multiple times sorry too busy skimming xoxo ~PV P.S. why isn't the crumb a guilty on you since it'd totes make sense to bus a better scum player than you and who likely had a decent PR P.P.S. let me add more to the

pile of bullshit

case so people will not even be able to see the bottom anymore"


This is getting so blatant that it's reminding me of a certain person riding the coattails of a fake Mason claim. Probably not, because I do think he's as incompetent as he looks, but hey, I'm all out of bubblegum.
UNVOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: Espeonage

Cue screeching bunny ears.


Final words:

You want a more pragmatic answer? If Esp and I are both town, we will lose this game if we are both here at lylo. Period. Full stop. I, literally, will feel no tears or loss at that point and for every whine in the endgame I will point back to the fact you were explicitly told what was going to happen and then chose to put your heads in the sand about it.

This is no one's fault but yours and Espeonage's if you're both Town. It's the same game all over again and I'm out of fucks to give about apologizing when you're turning around and doing it again.

[Tierce]

Well if Tierce is voting Esp and not PV, there is indeed no chance that PV gets lynched.

Vote: Espeonage

Tired of herding cats. Tomorrow.

[Tierce]

I'm not talking about apathy. I'm talking about the numbers dwindling and us not having the ability to lynch obvPereVscum because YOU WON'T VOTE ANYONE BUT ESPEONAGE. That's what drives me crazy right now.

But fine. Have it your way. I hope I'm wrong and that he'll flip scum because he's driving me up the wall anyway. Maybe if I'm lucky enough I'll also get a pony.

[Tierce]

And while we're all still here and I don't feel like clawing someone's face, I'd like your stance on this, which Elscouta has already brought up + PereV never bothering to bring up the tinfoil about it until when it's convenient:

PeregrineV tried to claim Majiffy died because he investigated me. Which is hilariously tacked on to the ever-growing pile of bullshit nonsense he's trying to pass off as a case on me.

[Tierce]

That is one surprisingly good-looking orc.

(And I wouldn't want to facepalm onto the flat of

that

. I bet even the carvings are sharp.)

Espeonage - 1 - SpyreX, sirdanilot, Tierce, Elscouta
Desperado - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum, Espeonage,
Tierce - 4 - PeregrineV, ActionDan

Our lovely mod is not a mathmagician, I see.

Fixed.

[Tierce]

Alrighty, more or less back in the world of the living. I have several site things to deal with tonight, but will be back here before I go to bed.

I don't think the kill implies SpyreX at all, CES? And definitely not a DeSpyredo team. Desperado is Town; refer back to when I talked about Paradox Prime, where Vi and I (well, mostly I) thought he was too smart to be Town--he plays a mean scum game, wouldn't be the kind to jail ABR N3 as scum. Why on earth would he kill the person he is pushing, when Desp-scum is pretty confident in his abilities to not get caught and push his lynches?

One of Elscouta, PeregrineV is scum, leaning Peregrine because Terrible Convenient Super Add-On Post-Its Case but also bothered that Elscouta's posts Today have no actual push after all of his intensity Yesterday.

ActionDan votes be pretty. Let me think on this while I wade through the backlogged greenery.

[Tierce]

Yeah okay we can do this one Today.


Hey.

Hey ActionDan.

First, the whole dance with Shadoweh about it being weird that sirdanilot wasn't around to protest his wagon at 4:30 AM his time--and then, when I called you out on it, you miraculously thought it was Townish then null then hey it's nothing why did you even bring it up that someone didn't claim when they are asleep. Now this with SpyreX, when you're to blame for much the same; this "VCA" can only be taken as such with the quote symbols, and it sure is "ripe". You're trying to pin perfectly natural behavior on people as scummy instead of trying to analyze it and figuring out that it's not scummy to do the things they do.

Child,

please

.

VOTE COUNT 2:11

Espeonage

- 1 - SpyreX

Albert B. Rampage

- 4 -

Tierce

,

Shadoweh, sirdanilot

, TheIrishPope

sirdanilot

- 5 -

Desperado

, Espeonage, MafiaSSK,

Elscouta

, shos

PeregrineV

- 2 - Majiffy,

Cogito Ergo Sum

Shadoweh

- 1 -

PeregrineV

Tierce

- 2 -

Albert B. Rampage

,

ActionDan

Not voting (1)

: JacobSavage

With 16 players alive it takes

9

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-05 00:00:01)

votecount noted.

VOTE COUNT 1:18

Shadoweh

- 1 -

PeregrineV

Espeonage

- 2 - SpyreX,

ActionDan

JacobSavage

- 7 -

Tierce

,

Desperado

,

sirdanilot

, shos,

Albert B. Rampage

, MafiaSSK,

Aegor

[/color]

TheIrishPope

- 5 - Natirasha,

Shadoweh

, Espeonage,

Cogito Ergo Sum

,

Elscouta

Tierce

- 2 -

chamber

, TheIrishPope

sirdanilot

- 1 - JacobSavage

Not voting (0)

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

.

vote count noted. Inclined to believe JS is town from this alone

No quick lunches just yet. The vca that I'll do is ripe. When I do it sometime

There's a scum in Peregrine elscouta and shos.

100%.

I think it's shos.

VOTE COUNT 1:18

Shadoweh

- 1 - PeregrineV

Espeonage

- 2 - SpyreX, ActionDan

JacobSavage

- 7 - Tierce, Desperado, sirdanilot, shos, Albert B. Rampage,

MafiaSSK

,

Aegor

TheIrishPope

- 5 -

Natirasha

,

Shadoweh

, Espeonage, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elscouta

Tierce

- 2 -

chamber

,

TheIrishPope

sirdanilot

- 1 - JacobSavage

Not voting (0)

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

.

I like this VC. I believe there is 2 scum on each wagon or at least 2 on the JS wagon. and 1 big maybe scum off either.

Shadoweh's abrupt jump off Esponage earlier makes me think it's him on the TIP wagon. candidates for the JS wagon include ABR + 1 other. I'd pick shos but easily I can see Desperado. if it's not ABR then both work. Tierce as backup candidate.

There's a scum in Peregrine elscouta and shos.

100%.

I think it's shos.

This is from the aegor lynch wagon js.

Extra tidbit for the 11 PM news: never was there an actual show of interest in that Elscouta/PeregrineV/shos set once shos Towned it up. And he wants shos to fullclaim, which is pretty obviously unnecessary unless you think shos made an insane and disjointed bus when the Day was going in scum's favor. (Hint: he didn't.)

Show, meet road. (>")>
VOTE: ActionDan

[Tierce]

Oh, please do say he's trying to claim a JK guilty on me~

Yo ActionDan, forgot your character name by any chance?

[Tierce]

Sure?

The trend of having awesome character names continues. Elemmakil, Vanilla.

Have lamp, will

travel

presumably die horribly while Eärendil stares in fascination.

Can I just mention that the person who is supposedly claiming Jailkeeper is completely oblivious to the fact that shos's missing block (and survival) last Night means that he probably has a guilty result? Can we lynch this instead?

[Tierce]

n4: Tierce targetted ABR

Nope.



Peregrine let Espeonage be lynched instead of claiming Yesterday--it's probably three scum left and Today is LyLo, because otherwise this play makes no sense.

UNVOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: PeregrineV

[Tierce]

Plum, I'm getting malware warnings from your ISO.

[Tierce]

Plum: Specifically, this post is causing the malware trigger.

I'm probably missing a third, because PereV and Elscouta still make little sense as a team.

VOTE COUNT 6:4

Desperado

- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum

Tierce

- 1 - PeregrineV

PeregrineV

- 2 - Elscouta, Desperado

ActionDan

- 3 - SpyreX, shos, Tierce

SpyreX

- 1 - ActionDan

Not voting (0)

With 8 players alive it takes

5

votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-03-15 06:00:00)

This VC shows that at least one of PereV (duh) and Elscouta and Desperado is scum. And ActionDan not getting quickhammered implies that either he's scum or I'm wrong in SpyreX and shos being both Town.

So it's PereV, SpyreX/ActionDan, and a third. Doesn't help much, but it's the logical conclusion given that they've all been around and posting. shos and CES are Town, we start with PeregrineV Today, and then we can work from there.

[Tierce]

Too busy ignoring confirmed scum~

I hope you're jealous, Tierce, I get to slay dragons.

Also, you're a jerk.

[Tierce]

PereV, darling, you're trying to pretend that getting an extra unreliable result would be better than claiming, when that would get one of the strongest players in the game lynched and flipped scum? Are you

seriously

plying that as a gambit that you would do as Town?

And for the ones watching at home: MafiaSSK flipped Tracker. But PeregrineV is claiming to have Tracker abilities, in a game that already has:

Cop-Vig combo
Weak Doctor
Tracker
Voyeur (?)

Shieldrender
Rolecop
Jailkeeper (?)


Nope, not a chance, period, end of story, goodbye.

[Tierce]

Well thats straightforward.

Unvote, Vote: Tierce

...are you even serious? Look at the setup.

[Tierce]

Note: If PV is town, any reasonable game balance would point at 5 scums, ie 3 scum left.

Corollary: if we lynch PV town today, we probably lose.

Corollary: if we lynch Tierce-Town Today, we lose. Not even mentioning the fact that I am Town because "lol we don't know that" reactions, not bringing a previous tracker guilty up before LyLo is not something you do as Town. That's all the evidence you need right there.

Yes I'm serious.

You've claimed VT, PV has set himself up for an instant death if you aren't scum. Its not lylo and even though I thought you were town there's 0 chance of me going the other way.

If this is a scum ploy lay out all your reads and go bravely into the night knowing it took that to get rid of you. I've had that shit happen before and its a giant waste of time to fight it (and don't worry, no way in hell does PV get away with it like people did WHEN I DIED I REMEMBER)

It

has

to be LyLo, otherwise this doesn't make sense. I remember that and I would do the same because yay fatalism, but

there is no point

because if I'm lynched we lose. This means that there's no way no how that I'm letting him get away with this Today. He's scum, he's delayed this as much as possible and claimed last, there was virtually nothing keeping him from pulling such a stunt as scum. I don't care about reading other people, right now the goal is to lynch PereV scum and sort the rest out Tomorrow.

[Tierce]

The combination of PereVscum requiring 5 scum and the elaborate way he claimed is too much to ignore (+ I don't really like our odds of winning against a 3 man scum team).

Well too bad? If he were Town he would have claimed Yesterday instead of letting apathy-lynch happen, this should be obvious if you're not me.


Goddammit CES, please unvote, if AD is sround and he's scum we're [robably screwed.

[Tierce]

THIS ISN'T HAPPENING

[Tierce]

Oh thank god.

I do not need Xenologue flashbacks right now.

[Tierce]

There is a 30-post case on why Tierce is scum. If you want more info than that, let's finish our ActionDan discussion first.

Let's see. If I were JK, I'd try to block some sort of nullread night1 like

ActionDan

or SpryeX, hoping to prevent the kill.

Let's bring this up again. While the original post was prompted by shos's questioning, why does PeregrineV bring it up again as if it is a crumb for what he did, when it's ambiguous in terms of targets and does not match a Tracker's ability? It's because he's trying to edge into a claim that would suit him, and then realizes that claiming Jailkeeper would screw him over due to not reacting to shos's "I was not blocked N5" fakeclaim.

[Tierce]

I won't be around for much of tomorrow, for the sake of everything you hold sacred please don't ignore this game until then.

[Tierce]

Which shos had said he wasn't, so...? The point is not whether shos was lying or not, it's that that specific crumb makes no sense coming from someone who is not a Jailkeeper. No one would expect him to have targeted ActionDan N1 if we hadn't been directly told. It's a set-up, not an actual crumb from a genuine role.

[Tierce]

Whoop-fucking-doo. Look, I know everything Peregrine doing is a lie, so my words are going to have a lot of frustrated flailing and confirmation bias. It's easiest if you follow me. (>")> But failing that, go read his posts? Should be pretty obvious that he's scum from the claim and how it doesn't match his play and conveniently came Today, with three days to Deadline, and after everyone else's. It's insert-your-letter-here-yLo and he's tacking on a fakeclaim with no risks.

PEdit: Not actually directed at SpyreX, this is a general Tierce-hates-everything-about-LyLos PSA thing.

[Tierce]

*crickets*