The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[shos]

VOTE: Tierce
Not so smooth now eh?!

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VOTE: xReckonerx

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Reck is obvtown what are you all doin?!?!

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THIS IS GAWLD

EVERYONE JOIN ME ILL EXPLAIN LATERZ

VOTE: Natirasha

[shos]

Alright! first time since gamestart that I'm on a computer :-}
I shall make a fine content post in a few minutes

[shos]

Hey SSK, whats your role claim?

rolefishing. exhibit A.

VOTE: xRECKONERx

I will be starting the Silmarillion on the plane tomorrow.

I started it last week again

*snip of useless fluff*
You're throwing a fuss *more snip*

This is true, but this is very characteristic for reck, and regardless Reck is conftown to me so nobody vote him please. let's just say that if I were a doc I'd doc him regardless of what happens today

I actually like this wagon.

Odd.

Reck had 4 votes by the votecount, then me and MSSK joined, then natirasha says this and doesn't add a vote. exhibit B.

Sure we can talk.

In a time long ago, before I took my long break, I got ripped up after a game because I "let the scum win".

Because the scum opted

to play the game

instead of being a pile of lurkaderps. I said it right then, that I would rather lose to someone playing the drag them to victory.

AND SO IT HAPPENED *gasp*

Esp is playin (don't take an affront there) but I literally have no faith in a town that will not purge that with fire. Immediately.

So, bet your ass I'll comment on other things, but if it makes you feel better I'm now a tree stump and he's hated.

And yes, I'm making it very, VERY clear I dont even necessarily think scum there - there'd be actual thought and process behind that claim as scum at this juncture and it SHOULD require mad huevos because it SHOULD be lynched.

But, it doesn't change a thing.

This post is hoooorribleeee horrible, and if you're going to play like it, please replace out asap

CES, any reason you posted the way you did in this post?

Reck is obvtown what are you all doin?!?!

I can only assume you're lovers because that's the only way I can understand this comment.

Moar rolefishing~! for the second time now. ^^^that guy be scum lads, all aboard the wagonasha!!!

VOTE: Natirasha


@Sirdanilit 55 - if you realy think that claim is true then lol @you mun

Reck is obvtown what are you all doin?!?!

Will you join me in my noble quest to lynch Espeonage?

VOTE: xReckonerx

Oh just spotted this. I can guess your answer: 'No because I'm his scumbuddy, shhh !'

and finally someone spotted this. it was a teeny reaction test as it was and it managed to get at least one fish - I called him town and voted him, and for that I and him are both scum, yes? kewlz.
^^^that guy is probscum as well - helps a policy wagon based on bullshit-who-publicly-admits-he-doesn't-even-think-target-is-scum, and this.

also ISO natirasha her posts are terribad indeed even for RVS

*sigh* how comes sirdanilot is a 2006 player who doesn't have the ability to think? he prematurely assumes that the claim is real, he actually suspects me for the random posts I've been posting in tehf rsit two pages, what the fuck is this serious

well that's pretty funny my wagon is taking steam may as well just join it

@post 88 by des, my post 87, despite being all caps and 'GAWLD', was the first actual post I made. I have not yet read the game(except the VC) until then, lol, and that post came by because natirasha fell in the pit I set up for her, and managed to rolefish, which now when I read the game from the start was already the SECOND time she did that.
either way I was on my phone up until now so that's how it happens

@PLUM

, Is the votecount in 89 correct? there are 2 'shos' wagons in it, is this how it is supposed to be? :O

Nope, I'm a derp, thanks for pointing it out. Fixed

lol@sirdan I no 5p33|< 1337 14w1

I think that your (sirdan) post 90 is way too forced. in general, all your posting so quickly in the game looks terribly fake, like you're trying to look like you're a hardcore scumhunter by post 11, having 10 scumreads on 9 people who posted 8 posts with 7 votes on 6 people. I mean seriously, take a fucking look at your own ISO and tell me if that is something regular in a 4-page 18-people mafia game. there's literally no way one can muster up so much in true seriousness, and it realy doesn't look like you're joking, not a titbit.

^ I could imagine esp-scum using that gambit and try claiming VT on page 1.
Another thing that you haven't addressed is that Esp leaves room open to change his claim later. Now it THAT AINT SCUMMY I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
And thirdly, IF he's town then a policy lynch will learn him that his play is absolutely no good and extremely detrimental to the town.

WELL OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THAT CLAIM IS A FUCKING REACTION TEST IT IS NOT REAL YOU NUTFUCK(s)...<<<the 's' is there to show that it's not personally against you, it's against all you littl'uns in this discussion

##Vote: shos

It's 7 days to early for the paranoia to be that unspeakable though!

sirdanilot: Why do you keep bringing up my join date like it matters? I don't know you from years ago or something if that's what you're asking. I'm saying your posts are town but terrible and will only result in tears for everyone.

There's only about 4 or 5 players in this game that are post '08. You just happen to be one of them.

OMG I feel like a supernewbie and I'm here for over 2 years

[shos]

TL;DR
Natirasha has been rolefishing twice: in post 15 and 54. other than that, natirasha's posts are reaheaally bad. vote natirasha, bawyz.

sirdanilot has been posting like it's a 15 pages game already, lots and lots of content, waaay too many overreactions and reads in such little time, that it seems like he is just faking it all to look like he's scumhunting.

reck is conftown.

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This is true, but this is very characteristic for reck, and regardless Reck is conftown to me so nobody vote him please. let's just say that if I were a doc I'd doc him regardless of what happens today

K just noting this here, this is interesting. Don't like how you are claiming this so early though, absolutely no need for it. A couple pages back during the reck wagon, yes, but now?

Remind me this in case Reck is nearing a lynch, so I will tell you why he is town without him claiming, and we'll see.

and finally someone spotted this. it was a teeny reaction test as it was and it managed to get at least one fish - I called him town and voted him, and for that I and him are both scum, yes? kewlz.
^^^that guy is probscum as well - helps a policy wagon based on bullshit-who-publicly-admits-he-doesn't-even-think-target-is-scum, and this.

Your little reaction test was good, but the conclusions you're jumping to are terrible. Any towny would point out an obvious inconsistency like 'X is obvtown' vs 'vote x'.

That is true, but not every towny would go vote me on the spot for that, call me scum, etc. a normal townie would point the inconsistency and direct a question to me.

I think that your (sirdan) post 90 is way too forced. in general, all your posting so quickly in the game looks terribly fake, like you're trying to look like you're a hardcore scumhunter by post 11, having 10 scumreads on 9 people who posted 8 posts with 7 votes on 6 people. I mean seriously, take a fucking look at your own ISO and tell me if that is something regular in a 4-page 18-people mafia game. there's literally no way one can muster up so much in true seriousness, and it realy doesn't look like you're joking, not a titbit.

Check my meta guy. 3 scumreads isn't that much. And aside from Esp who should die nothing is certain yet.

I actually like your Natirasha case better than the case on you. But your read of me is very ill-informed.

unvote shos

VOTE: Natirasha

comments in bold.
re: last quote - can you link me to meta? I'm kinda busy at home today so I don't feel like investigating.

[shos]

^^^lol

[shos]

no!

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My post didn't have anything to do with Esp's claim? I don't understand what's going on there. I do remember why I was so hesitant to join this game though.

Whats bad here

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Sirdani, that is not lying, tgat is reaction fishing.

If i told you HAY GUYZ IM 510-SHOT VIG discuss.

Would you lynch me for lying? No. Because it is an obvious lie; and if it is obvious it won't get any useful reactions.

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Also, more votes on natirasha.

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Claiming VT is not an obvious lie. Claiming VT is a claim.

THAT IS THE POINT!!! if you want reactions you need to PROVOKE them.

Town only wins mafia games if town TALKS. And with talking I don't mean LOLREACTIONTEST HURHUR or LOLFAKECLAIMASTOWN HUR HUR but I mean actual scumhutning. You don't need walls of text to scumhunt, or quote walls. I prefer short tidbits myself, but to each their own.

So guys, sucmhunt !

that post is solid CRAP. At best. At worst - liquid crap.

Why not reaction test? It helps get reads. How bout we all 'scumhunt' like you? Take a townread and push its lynch just because I can! Yay!

This game barely started. Scumhunting will happen when true content arises. Like in every mafia game.

[shos]

Elscoutas post is very awsome.
While I agree with you that sirdanilot is scummy as hell, natirasha is just as scummy, and my gut forces me that way.

Re: xreck wagon - this wagon, even if with 9 votes, is nothing more than an weakass ant. Nibody has anything to support their vote, it is just leftovers from RVS

[shos]

So why is the fakeclaim vt as reaction test worse to you? Look at the amount of info to analyse that IT provoked in comparison to MY reaction test.

[shos]

sirdanilot, you are taking lynch all liars to the very super hyper extremeties, and this is wrong and bad. you lynch a liar if his lie is actually hurting/confusing/etc town. if a PGO lies and claims cop, and then scum shoot him and die, do you still lynch him?

the VT claim is far, far, FAAAR from being anything nearing worth lynching.

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Shadow - nat is not playing this way usually.

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The wagon on Nat is golden. A wagon on

esp

me would be golden; I'd like to see where it would bring us. The wagons on reck and

me

esp are dumb

fixed that for you.

my current reads:
Natirasha scum.
sirdanilot scummy. possible link to ActionDan.


elscout is town.
ALL the rest ar null.

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note to self:
if any one of AD and Sirdanilot is scum, the other is too.

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And of course, if one of {shos, reck} is scum the other is too.

??? how did you get to taht?

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And of course, if one of {shos, reck} is scum the other is too.

??? how did you get to taht?

Didnt you say reck was town somewhere (with more conviction than just 'I read reck as town')? Or did I read that wrong?

firstly, you read wrong, secondly, if that is the reasoning for you to claim that we are same alignment, you're bullshitting in hope nobody asks about it.

VOTE: Sirdanilot

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Did anything strike you as off about tierces 147?

why the fuck do people keep posting in code? do you guys have a post restriction??

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...I don't get it

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OH THAT
I'm sorry
VOTE: natirasha
I forgot >_<
I will not explain this post though, not yet

[shos]

Reckoner, get your vote off of me now.

why would you post that?

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ABR hun, I'm following 4 games at the same time, and you don't make sense even in just one.

[shos]

Can anyone explain to me the idea of a public neighbourhood? it's entirely useless, and it modconfirms all the neighboursa in it??? I don't get it

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Inni mini miney mo. Which of nati ans sirdan should go?

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[quote]why do you guys keep annoying us[/quote]

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TIP reads on sirdanilot & natirasha?

[shos]

chamber gets a townread.

sirdani and natirasha are still both scum guys. there are too few votes on nati.

[shos]

you are buddying. lol.

[shos]

Uh, without ISOing - Nat has been rolefishing in one post mildly(gamestart) and one post heavily(page 3 or so). other than that, her attitude to this game is MUCH unlike her town meta; and her posts have all been shallow as shit.

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Hay guyz lets vig tierce cuz if shes scum we'llnever get'er


Parlé vous Francais?

[shos]

My ideas are good today

[shos]

Can most of you guys start giving a shit please? When you play like you don't give a shit it is hard to not scumread you, especially when I have plaued with town-you-giving-a-shit.

Nati. If you say this is closer to your town meta, please link me to ypur most tecently finished town & scum games.

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why the hell is nati still alive guys. seriously. ISO her. it sucks donkey balls, that ISO. THREE donkey balls.

[shos]

Sorry ill catch up fully soon

[shos]

Do we know theres no jester? Nat looks like one.

Spyspy: agree witg chamber read. Why will I be the one to lose lylo?

[shos]

Ineed to catch up pages 18+ today

[shos]

will start catching up in around half an hour or so. I need to read up from 18

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Natirasha:
"I said I was gonna lurk and I did"
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
you were the second-to-most posts inthread, after me(cuz I superspammed at the time).
you're shitting~
and it wasn't even so long ago, not even 3 months passed. Des' posts in page 19 is correct, (post 462 especially) and post 463 by aegor is a very good point, actually. you try to redirect things to me when basically my lesser activity was made of a weekend+phoneposting; my activity usually comes in pulses. between pulses it's not that awesome, yes.

moving to 20

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spyrex is posting well. also consider: multiball.

OMFG sirdanilot's posting so much and each one of his posts makes me want to lynch him moar and the fact that he's psoting so much makes this a really big contribution. I mean WTF. holy crap 484-487 is totes scumbuddies

lol @ esp 489 I know that feeling, that's why my posting in thu-sat every week is very little

@elscouta: read the link I posted.


onwards to 21

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Tierce, I disagree about 464. there's nothing townie in that AtE.

@shadoweh: oiu, madam! I might indeed be a competition for jester! no.
your posts look too kidding. you seem like you're not serious.I have nothing against having fun but it looks like you're having

too

much fun.

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VOTE: Actiondan

I'm sorry, there may be something in NAtirasha, sirdani may actually be town too; I still think these two are scum, but there is REALLY no excuse for Actiondan's posts.

[shos]

I MSSKs catchup, agree to that observation. Nice catxh too. The wagon on him is stupid. I also like shadow a bit.

Vote actiondan, guys.

[shos]

How is it horrible? Response to WHAT? he was only voted for lurking.

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Ebwop: I like MSSK....etc

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Also nat might be town after all.

[shos]

Elscouta - you're a person to work with.
I agree with you on MSSK, not necessarily on TIP. his posts might be short one liners and fluff, but they are a ton, and together they provide content and not that much noise. even with posts like "hahahahahahahah" - it's basically a post saying 'I disagree'. I sorta agree with him on some things, and I don't think he's a scumlynch for the while.

about Espionage - I don't understand what people want from him. yes, he's useless and stuff, but so is like half the people here it seems(possibly including myself judging by my indepth activity), and it looks like a randomly-picked compromise lynch with many followers. at the moment there are what, 7 votes on the wagon? I'm *sure* that there's at least, say, 2 scum over there, and that espion is town.

How comes nobody takes any single fucking comment about Actiondan??

[shos]

third time Natirasha is rolefishing.

[shos]

well everyone seems to be ignoring AD so
VOTE: Natirasha

[shos]

Natirasha:
"I said I was gonna lurk and I did"
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32021&activity_overview=1
you were the second-to-most posts inthread, after me(cuz I superspammed at the time).
you're shitting~

quoted for reference

[shos]

I dont like these wagons. Gonna be a NL.

[shos]

HEY GUYS
free town points to whoever votes actiondan or tells me why not

[shos]

Well then.

vote: jacobSavage

Best of those three.

[shos]

Tierce is definitely not getting lynched but is nowhere even nearing confirmed, nor obvtown, her scumgame is really good. my towngame this day was subpar, but seems like veryone is disagreeing with my reads, so we'll see about tomorrow.

[shos]

JS wagon is awful, but I want to see where it goes anyway.

VOTE: JacobSavage

OMFG this is scumpost.

[shos]

this

JS wagon is awful, but I want to see where it goes anyway.

VOTE: JacobSavage

OMFG this is scumpost.

is true because really 'I want to see where it goes' an inch from deadline is stupid, and actually even if it's not an inch from deadline it is stupid because target now knows that your vote is not serious. <<<AKA is a scumpost.

FLASH WAGON ON AEGOR PLEASE. NOW.

Well, at least we finally agree on something shos.

Good, join the wagon please.

OMFG this is scumpost.

Well, at least we finally agree on something shos.

Why are you not voting me, then?

Clearly because deadline; this is an attempt to make us vote him, force a mislynch, and later blame us for it because we unvoted big wagons.

LYNCH THIS SCUM PLEASE

Because realistic expectations from the day. The attempt at derailing lateday wagons is noted however.

This guy is totally town I can't believe a wagon formed at him daystart

How is any of that is relevant right now? I'm voting the wagon that I think is on scum, I pushed it to where it is (

hey look, someone who actually has logical skill and the charisma to back it up

~), I really have no business haring off with other reads. Some of them are obvious as it is, and if you can't tell them by now, you're not going to get any more enlightenment through a reads list.

I'm being cryptic because I can

and because there's really no point in discussing other things right now. Deal with it.

Will this continue the entire game? Let me know so I can act accordingly.



JS wagon is awful, but I want to see where it goes anyway.

VOTE: JacobSavage

Scum hopping onto wagon on buddy.

I'd prefer a no lynch today, none of the wagons look good

Tip is either scum or village idiot

ON THE WAGON PLEAZ
also tip is not really a VI or scum because at the time realy none of the wagons was good. I joined JS just because deadline, and I seriously considered preferring NL to make this an odd-number-of-players game.

I am Glorfindel, Town Bodyguard.

Basically I fought the Balrog but lost but in doing so I saved Idril Celebrindal.

we shouldn't lynch this one. if it's true, he'll die with time, if not, he'll have to explain his targets and it'll make his life much harder

Hi?

oh wow this guy is so amazing I can't believe he hasn't been lytnched yet. anyway, ON THE WAGON PLEAZ ITS BUSSING TIEM

My suggestion is body guarding shadow or chamber

directing PRs already eh, trying to help your team not get misdirected? no thanks.

if you are town, please explain to me why on earth would you suggest that.

Not Voting js. Cesar was leaning town. Tip.... m2aybe?


I'd feel better about voting ces if nat was not voting it.

VOTE: tip

For now

really omgwtfkillthisonewithFIAR

I'm with chamber about the CES Wagon. It looks to me a lot like scum hoping people don't notice near the dead line.

Yup, CES' wagon is terribad as well.

ALL ABOARD THE AEGOR VOTECOUNT SI VOUS PLAIT

[shos]

Nat, have you even read my post? I wasn't calling you scum. you might be, but that's not for today. meanwhile, READ MY POST, and vote aegor.

[shos]

PeregrineV

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING?!?!
read the fuckin game please
especially read that post with the big picture

[shos]

how long till DL?

[shos]

VOTE COUNT 1:18

Shadoweh

- 1 - PeregrineV

Espeonage

- 2 - SpyreX, ActionDan

JacobSavage

- 7 - Tierce, Desperado, sirdanilot, shos, Albert B. Rampage, MafiaSSK, Aegor

TheIrishPope

- 5 - Natirasha, Shadoweh, Espeonage, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elscouta

Tierce

- 2 - chamber, TheIrishPope

sirdanilot

- 1 - JacobSavage

Not voting (0)

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-01-23 01:00:00)

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[shos]

can anyone count the votes on Aegor and hammer him?

[shos]

lol I coulda sworn I voted

VOTE: Aegor

[shos]

re: interaction with aegor:
that is because I wasn't in my A game this game at all, my postcount is tiny, I have an average of less than a post per page - I've been pretty passive this day, seeing as the game has very dominant players in it.

[shos]

three more.

Aegor, you may as well claim right now, since no other lynch is nearing viable it seems.

[shos]

no other lynch is going to happen, so it's either NL or lynch you. I think you should claim the other part as well.

[shos]

that sounds like perfect SK role indeed. onwards with the lynch. AD goes next, btw, if he flips scum, for 913.

[shos]

and, of course, for the rest of his game so far, but this is concrete

[shos]

PV, hammer please, I don't trust him

[shos]

Look at the bright side: we lost a VT and an inherently-bad town role.

I'm quite surprised by the nightkill, I have to say.

so what now? :/

[shos]

VOTE: Actiondan

[shos]

how are these slips?

[shos]

@shadow: at the time there really weren't people on his wagon at all. getting people to vote him would make a nolynch much more likely. I think I wasn't the first to call that.

[shos]

please explain.

[shos]

Yeah, that's a pretty misguided opinion but it's more exasperating then anything. Mrr.
I kinda still want to lynch TIP actually, I still have no idea why his wagon died instead of getting run over by Jacob escapees, and he's clearly here and contributing as much as he was yesterday.. This feels really lethargic actually, like did everyone forget what they wanted to do yesterday besides jump onto the pain train?

Cut: This isn't RVS v.2 please, what the hell does that mean?

That first sentence in combination with my earlier weak read on him makes me thing Shadow is town.
I think that the TIP wagon evaporated because deadline was really pushing, and it caused people to jump to more viable wagons, which is a correct line of thought. I never understood why the TIP wagon formed anyway, though, so I'll be glad if you explain it to me.

Also this is definitely not RVS V2.0; not at all. ActionDan was my preferred vote up to the place where Aegor started being stupid, and the flip & NK didn't do much to change that; his posts really kept sucking, so I'm back to that read. remind me later to check out again about Natirasha.

Fairly sure that I wasn't in any danger of being NKd with how Yesterday turned out.

elaborate please? there really wasn't any special person who was likely to be killed instead of you, or was there? who would you kill if you were scum 'with how Yesterday turned out'?...

(also any reason you capitalized the Y in yesterday?)

nvm you capitalize T later too in Today you jsut do that..

Okay. Then who? The tunneling Ur-Quan?

can you answer this too?

chamber attempted to flip a wagon from Aegor to me. I'm Town, and while he probably wouldn't have lynched me, it would be some amazing noise for scum to flourish in Today. Elscouta would have made a much better alternative--quiet one, logical, not that likely to be protected if JacobSavage is Town.

The kill makes sense coming from you.

I agree the Elscouta would have made a very good(for scum) NK. but that'd mean he'd be probably protected.
What we learn from this is that scum targetted chamber - a wide spread townread. that means that they prefer doing that that hunting power roles - meaning that they have no clue about it. So any PR should keep under the radar and make sure scum don't get it.
either that or scum don't

care

to PRhunt - meaning they have powers that let them know about our powers or block them. -->for analysis later in the game.

Guys we can still lynch esp today surely?

why? you look like a good target yourself

[shos]

self reminder to read 981+

[shos]

First point: MafiaSSK jump. This is mostly because I got a good read from SSK from his response to that superfast wagon to him, but TIP's vote and response just felt like he was trying to push it over the edge. The argument against SSK was based on him lurking but posting in other games, which TIP kept pressing after his V/LA was announced. The 'CES vote out of nowhere' is an unfair argument, SSK was gone for 6 days and didn't have a major scumread before then, why wouldn't he have a new outlook after rereading?

Second point: Everything After Everyone Ignored The SSK Case. Or as I would call it, acting like this is a TV show he's watching for his amusement. His response to being run up was to vote his biggest town read for funsies for god's sake. I didn't want to make a big deal out of this before giving him a chance to post something constructive today but considering his opening post today I am not imagining there'll be much more to see in the future.

Also the second remark wasn't directed at you, but I don't think ADan sucks this game.

could you elaborate with links/reexplain your points? I don't seem to understand what is it you're trying to say.

[shos]

elscouta's 985:
death godfather actually sounds like a really viable option, I have to say.
NKA is useless without more flips etc.

my gut is calling me to vote CES; his posts don't sound like they have town intention behind them, and his votes fit with what scum might do in my opinion.

I wanna policy lynch ABR for 990.

I like shadow.

PV is even in this game? *checks activity overview* *sigh* people this is a BaM game you need to be more active

[shos]

sirdan needs to either shut up or be vigged.

@elscouta:
how is that role *good* for town? it is a vig that is undetectable and lays blame on other people. sacrifice a townie to get the alignment of another? why would I want that? that's like the uberweak version of the weak modifier.
my point against AD is not a 'case' per se, rather, it is...well, just read his ISO. it's very short, I promise, and its content is just about as reading a phonebook's cover.
sorta policy lynch, it seems, but it has the extra part of gut and active lurking, and perhaps wagon hopping but now I'm jsut throwing it into the air and I might be wrong.

[shos]

Shadow, im on phone a lot, and therefore a spoilered load of posts hahaha is actually helping me.

Nat, that the best content you got?

[shos]

VOTE: CES

[shos]

Toldya spyrex be town.

Atm im inclinrs towards a sirdanilot lynch, or ABR ot CES.

[shos]

Vote: sirdan

[shos]

Dont get me wrong here. ABR is scum too.

[shos]

Elscouta - I will probabyl join whichever is a larger wagon at a given time. At the moment, Sirdan's noise is so amazing, I'm staying here.

taking a look at Des

[shos]

Des's ISO doesn't look good, but it's not bad either, it's under the radar. I disagree that 1063 is specifically inherently superscummy, but I don't know what town motivation can be behind it too..

[shos]

Shadow, as a townie, tell me what made you decide to vote Des?

[shos]

I think that if we had lynched all those whose votes were parked on non-viable wagons, we'd have a lot of lynching to do.

[shos]

sorry I have more games lol

Which vote is it that you want me to tell you if it is good? sirdan?

[shos]

Ill admit that i havent read 1146 onwards yet, but shadow was probably my strongest townread along with elscouta. Ill go check something meanwhile

[shos]

Alright I read into 1146's links deeply and, while I disagree that shadoweh is scum - I can see the good effort by Majiffy, and I like it. Shadow's posts don't look like scum pov and thought process taking place; rather, it looks like a very unsure townie, which I kinda have to understand, being myself kinda very weak on my reads this game. I don't often join large games, I joined this one for the theme mostly. >_>

anyway. Des' 1147 is a good post. don't agree with the reads, but the first sentence is SO good, and it has me put Esp as town automatically. I also never saw any reason for scum to do that D1 so quick so that just fits.

Townreads:
-Elscouta
-Shadoweh
-Espionage
-Majiffy
-? possibly des.

Des, can you please explain to me what possibly made you think ABR is town? (albert is ABR right.?)

Can anyone please explain me why Dan's I-don't-do-shit play doesn't ping everyone in the balls?

end of page 46

[shos]

lol, I was talking about actiondan, btw, not sirdan.

Tierce: that makes him very easily confirmable, do you agree?

Sirdan's 1157's last line is 'oh that case on shadow is very good! but Im not voting cuz he was a townread'. wtf.? that's classic leav-myself-room-to-wiggle scum tactic.

Darn Maj, your posts are long.
scumreads so far are Sirdan, ABR, and ActionDan. can anyone FFS explain to me how comes there are so many people on Desp, and why? because I'm just not seeing it.

[shos]

Des' 1172 is supercorrect. really, I find myself agreeing with des a lot, why do people think he is scum?

starting 48

[shos]

PV's play this game is underwhelming as well. I would try to avoid lynching ABR for the while because of Des' posts at the top of this page, but really, just look at him and I wanna die. I don't quite know why I don't want to lynch sirdan right now, so I'll firstly UNVOTE: and let's compile a full list

[shos]

1. Tierce
2. JacobSavage

5. Majiffy

7. MafiaSSK

8. ActionDan

9. Espeonage

10. SpyreX

11. Albert B. Rampage

12. Cogito Ergo Sum

13. Desperado

14. sirdanilot

15. Elscouta

16. PeregrineV

17. TheIrishPope

18. Shadoweh

let's see how this grows:
VOTE: PeregrineV

[shos]

Why am I not surprised that ActionDan suddenly appears with an opinion on like that

[shos]

PeregrineV may not be scum but he's CERTAINLY not town either.

If PV flips 3rd party, sirdan is scum.

[shos]

Well you vote him despite thinking he is not scum. So unless you think he is 3rd party, and nothing should make you yhink so unless he is bad and you know he is not scum, i dont get your vote.

[shos]

It is not pressure if you know the wagon on you does not intend to lynch you.

[shos]

however scummy Sirdan can be, his post is reallyy true up there. PV needs rope.

[shos]

anyone else bothered with the 'scum win' repetition by sirdan?

[shos]

you're really smarter when you lurk

[shos]

Wagons I would support currently : ABR, Desp, sirdan

Alright, for the gazillionth time.
I get ABR. I get sirdan.

WHY DO PEOPLE WANT TO LYNCH DES?!?!

also, just finished a scumgame where he was town, go read.

[shos]

well in regards to 936, he did say he'll be around at deadline, so.
1063 examplifies even better the fact that he thinks sirdan is scum; I don't see anything scummy there.

the rest of your post makes me alittle uneasy about how you take back your words, but I already had a strong enough townread on you so I'm letting that go. Are you willing to lynch sirdan as well?

[shos]

PV's post is meh. it's an effort, but it is so undeterministic, that it's..well, null. still would lynch.

I need to have a tiny reread of sirdan before I decide which one of him or PV I want lynched today.

[shos]

I need to read up 1289+, but meanwhile, is Jacob doing what I think he is doing?

[shos]

VOTE: Sirdanilot

[shos]

Hey.

Hey, ActionDan.

Hey.

Wagons I would support currently : ABR, Desp, sirdan

Alright, for the gazillionth time.
I get ABR. I get sirdan.

WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE WANT TO LYNCH DES?!?!

also, just finished a scumgame where he was town, go read.

Note that i added 'the fuck' just now.


Anyway. Dat meta was the only thing that kept me hesitating about ABR. I think that lynch is not bad along with sordan.

Whichever has mostvotes in deadline will get mine.

[shos]

ABR vote sirdan please we have no time.

Any prot. Available goes to ABR

[shos]

This is nkt even close to tierces scum play.

What claims are you talking about? I only remember VT, BG, halfcop?

[shos]

Sirdan actually may be a VI.

I can live with a CES lynxh.

[shos]

CES' game is horribad this game.

nobody is going to come up for a CES lynch; we're not lynching ABR because of the claim. Sirdan seems like the only viable lynch..

I've played with Tierce more than once, I know her scum game and town game.

[shos]

^^^ see, this is why we need to lynch Sirdan. I bet your ass scum have a roleblocker; so that they'll roleblock the Bg and kill ABR; and then BG claims to have protected ABR, so that he "lied" so town lynches him, win-win for scum - they get 4 kills in the price of 0!!

VOTE: Sirdan

[shos]

(if it wasn't clear - I think ActionDan is scum as well - but sirdan is much more viable.)

I'm likely to not be here for long until deadline, so this *might* be my last post today, heed me and lynch sirdan.

[shos]

note: I used precisely this tactic in the game I *just* won as scum. made a weak doc protect my scum fellow, roleblocked him.

[shos]

In a 18p game i assune they have spme way to interfere, yes.

But rwally, just go to mini 1524 and see night actions posted by the mod

[shos]

Pick somebody else to lynch.

I'm Turgon, House of the King, Gondolin Even-Night Cop.

Unvote Spyrex, vote Tierce

Your townread on sirdan is so strong that you chose to claim at L-6 over voting sirdan and putting him to L-3? Is there more to it? Because that was really weak and you were reading him as scum all of day one, even though that town case appears to apply to the whole game.

Hey.

Hey, ActionDan.

Hey.

Wagons I would support currently : ABR, Desp, sirdan

Alright, for the gazillionth time.
I get ABR. I get sirdan.

WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE WANT TO LYNCH DES?!?!

also, just finished a scumgame where he was town, go read.

Note that i added 'the fuck' just now.

]/quote]

[shos]

After the nl protect abr all prot roles

[shos]

Nl. No escape. ABR.

[shos]

Time to see who majiffy crumbed and cross fingers that he crumbed

[shos]

Tierce is scum.

[shos]

WOOOOOOOOSH

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage


Weak Doctor + Cop/Vig + Half Cop. Yeah right.


Question. Was Majiffy killed, or did he suicide? First post suggests the latter.

The death flavors are different, so it implies different things killed them.

##Vote: JacobSavage

If we're going to point out the role that doesn't make sense, a Bodyguard and a Weak Doctor don't make sense in the same game. Also the kill is weird enough to suggest they're just trying to make him look like he should still be alive.

stop talking lol xD
I'll be posting for realz in the evening cuz I'm stupidly fat after eating at a family ceremony; and now I'm going to play basketball(gonna puke all over)..so after that.

Meanwhile, people should be voting Tierce; not ABR and definitely not shadoweh.
I'll explain later.

ABR: cop report, plox; I bet you've been blocked?

Tierce: show me those majiffy crumbs please?

I'll search for them later myself, but if you already have, please do tell

[shos]

Well I take back my tierce scum decision. for the while.

ABR is confirmed town.
the Majiffy-targets-shadoweh crumb is enormous, and I'm definitely biting. it said 'THEY are quicklynching you' - not 'WE'; as in, he knew he's gonna die and we'll find it.

VOTE: Shadoweh.
After this one, I think CES is a very good scumdidate. The willingness to hit ABR after he said he was blocked(which I believe strongly) sounds to me like CES is scum, knew he was getting blocked, or jailkept, and tries to make town lynch him over that. it is also a wise decision - why kill someone when there's a wifom on him, and he is only even-night, so you can just block him whenever he manages to shoot?

so Shadoweh and then CES.

[shos]

btw, old guys, how many scum are there likely to be in a 18p game? 4?

[shos]

someone should make an unofficial votecount

[shos]

I dont get it. Are there more than one town factions?

[shos]

Didnt you say you were even night?

[shos]

ABR is lying. I can confirm that. but I don't know why, and I have no idea if he is scum or town, or cop, or VT, or anything.

[shos]

so were you RB'd or not?

[shos]

so were you RB'd or not?

[shos]

Alright.
VOTE: ABR

His claim(s) do not make sense. He claimed to have been roleblocked yesterday. He claimed to have been roleblocked today too.
If he is a VT, he wouldnt do that today. He is lying. Or extremely unluckily correct.

Should I claim, or can we have him lynched without me claiming?

[shos]

Actually if he was town then why would scum RB him tonight if he is even night? So even moreso scum

[shos]

Hey guys
I have a (hypothetical of coursr) question
If I am a jailkeeper and theres a claimed cop
Do i jk him or not?

[shos]

More answers please

[shos]

I asked for ypur opinion.answer.

[shos]

Interesting.

ABR needs to die.

[shos]

A VT who claimed cop and wasn't shot two nights in a row?

[shos]

because if I were scum and you are town, I would either kill or block you on N2, and if you're still alive N3, then I wouldn't.

I know that is not what happened; so you're scum.

[shos]

I did not say that you weren't RB'd.

but you guessed that you did. twice.

and you said you did that to 'stir up the game'. There is no motivation for town to go through what you just did.

[shos]

If you were scum, and a townie had claimed even night cop, and it is now an even night, wouldn't you shoot him? block him? redirect him? something?

you would. at least one of those.

So then, in D3 he claims to have been blocked - which makes sense. but..he claimed EVEN NIGHT cop. so on N3 - you wouldn't need to do anything. right?

but he was blocked again. how comes?

[shos]

I understand the concept. I do it alot. as scum. not as town. what motivation would town have to fakeclaim cop? get a CC? waste a doc?

and don't rolefish me, scummy scum mcscummer

[shos]

ABR, explain to me why you would fakexlaim cop as town.

Pros:
you might avoid lynch
Youmight soak a NK

Cons:
You might draw a CC from a real cop
You might draw unneeded protection from townies
You cause wifom in town with no need

If you really did it 'to stir up' - what reactions have you got from this? What info sis you gather?

[shos]

ABR is lying scum sirdan. Open thine eyez

[shos]

ABR. you're using way too much AtE in attempt to convince people that you're town. your acts, if town, were supremely foolish.

I have more reasons to think that you are scum, but that is involved with my own role, so I will not discuss them as of yet.
The fact that scum did not kill you in TWO NIGHTS after claiming cop means a lot to me. the fact that you claimed to have been roleblocked, TWICE, does as well.

you're scum.

[shos]

it might be. but I said no such thing let scum wifom themselves.

[shos]

also, why the rolefish?

[shos]

oh RIIIIIITE you're scum too, hah

[shos]

@elscouta:
I ignored 1586 on purpose, and will keep ignoring anything people might say about me being JK. there's a purpose behind all this.

if I ever come up as a lynch candidate, I will fully disclose everything and stuff, and explain everything; but not before then.

So far, my night actions, in accordance to the supposed fakeclaim, make absolutely no sense for ABR town, the way I see it.

[shos]

@elscouta:
I ignored 1586 on purpose, and will keep ignoring anything people might say about me being JK. there's a purpose behind all this.

if I ever come up as a lynch candidate, I will fully disclose everything and stuff, and explain everything; but not before then.

So far, my night actions, in accordance to the supposed fakeclaim, make absolutely no sense for ABR town, the way I see it.

I'm more talking about the bodyguard claim.
If you are JK, and someone claims cop, do you JK them?

It depends. Do you believe them? Do others believe them? Do you think scum will believe them? Is their day play good enough so that they can be a leader even without results? Is there someone better to take a chance protecting while leaving the cop unprotected?

Basic answer is really personal choice based on all of the above, so there is no one set answer.

And who are your other choices for scum?

well the idea was to get an understanding of 'if you were a JK, what would you do in the last two nights'.<<<everyone can answer this. answer truthfully.

the rest of my scumreads were basicaly you and CES but as seen below you're more likely town by now.

Peregrine will you join me in an Esp lynch, pretty please? You're in the good camp aren't ya ?!

I am, and I might, but let's see what Shadow said or didn't say first.

Vote: Espeonage

There. Now go look at Shadow's posts.

So uh, this is probably the first real good effort idea that we've had today. we've had a scum flip, go look for associates. so I'm replacing PV's read with a townread. or a good scum play.

@elscouta:
I ignored 1586 on purpose, and will keep ignoring anything people might say about me being JK. there's a purpose behind all this.

if I ever come up as a lynch candidate, I will fully disclose everything and stuff, and explain everything; but not before then.

So far, my night actions, in accordance to the supposed fakeclaim, make absolutely no sense for ABR town, the way I see it.

Unvote, vote shos

Either you're making it up, or you haven't read something properly, or the mod made a mistake. I doubt Plum made a mistake, so which is it?

??
making what up? I didn't claim anything yet.

Looking through Shadow iso, early day1 he sloughs off anyone voting CES (373, 585, 596, 598, 622, 756, 763). Then, day2, after Jacob claims to have protected CES, Shadow criticizes that decision (992).

will be seeing this tomorrow.

[shos]

Stop thinking i am wrong, I have info of my own

I want people to answer what they would do if they were a JK.

[shos]

Ok. More answers please.

[shos]

Please answer

[shos]

Ill give you motivation: if everyone answers, then i will be able to tell you one of scum remaining powers, at worst

[shos]

And either way i will have a conftown

[shos]

Townies just need to say the truth. Scum lies dont even matter

[shos]

Well then i guess we can stop now

ABR is conftown
Scum have a jailkeeper. A stupid one, lol.
Well done ABR; you got lucky; lucky in that your actions didnt hurt town - and with that, they helped town.

Back to scumhunting: VOTE: ces

[shos]

did JS say who he targetted in the last two nights?

[shos]

VOTE: Actiondan aggresively rolefishing, in addition to my earlier scumread(s) on you, lol.

even if I was a voyeur, how would that confirm JS?

JS, you did not claim who you targetted, I went through your ISO. please claim that on all the three nights

[shos]

did JS claim to have targetted ABR? I looked through his ISO, no mention for that.

[shos]

I don't get it.

can anyone link me to where JS claimed? and no it's not obvious, please claim.

[shos]

why do you think a town JK protected you? literally everyone said that if they were a JK they wouldn't target you.

[shos]

TheIrishPope

-

Voronwë, Gondolin Vanilla

-

Removed From Gondolin Night 2

---

Majiffy

-

Pengolodh, Gondolin Weak Doctor

-

Died Night 2

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VOTE COUNT 3:0

Not voting (14)

: Tierce, JacobSavage, shos, MafiaSSK, ActionDan, Espeonage, SpyreX, Albert B. Rampage, Cogito Ergo Sum, Desperado, sirdanilot, Elscouta, PeregrineV, Shadoweh

With 14 players alive it takes

8

votes to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2014-02-17 03:00:00)

[shos]

what don't you understand.?

[shos]

because [REDACTED]. if I am nearing a lynch or forced to claim, I will tell you. At the moment I believe you are town, or a townie is being really stupid and lying.

[shos]

Yup
And only.
VOTE: jacob

You need to explain your actions. Specifically, why you targetted ActionDan, the omfgbadplayer. Why wpuld you rxpect him to die?

[shos]

Jacob just claimed to have targetted ActionDan N3 when he said just last page that his actions N2 and N3 had been the obvious one.

Sharp observation. Good.

JS so scummmmy

[shos]

THAT IS THE POINT.
Which is why i asked you all if you would do that as town. Nobody answered yes. So i conclude scum did that, and that abr is town.

[shos]

Re: derp
Why would scum block a BG if they dpnt even try to shoot the cop?

[shos]

1785 is a scumpost

[shos]

Hurray, I was right, and now im getting jailkept. At least im stayin alive.

So now what; im getting cold feet about CES.

[shos]

Im on phone, havent read anything.

The extra info i have may help if theres a massclaim and scum fakeclaim unluckily.

Why not both mastermind AND town? Lol..

How about a massclaim? What do people think about massclaiming now? Scum are only 2, most likely

[shos]

Tomorrow i will have timw to review both scum wagons and find some interactions.

[shos]

Thats bad logic tierce. May i remind you that they JKed him n2, not rced him.

[shos]

Oh, wait, you mean that they did not actually Rolecop him on N2 because you didn't see them doing it.

That only supports my theory, though. A scumteam that does not choose to confirm the claim on N2 and yet Jails him on N3 is not playing optimally.

Any scumteam, with any powers, is playing sub-optimally if they jked two consecutive nights. They might have a compulsive jk though.

The good actions would be jk n2 and cop n3. Instead they jked on both.

[shos]

Maybe compulsive was not quite the right word. Ill get home very late today but ill just wait till then to post bigger and better.

[shos]

lol im male
I don't understand why sirdan is being offended
but nvm

I meant that he might have to, you know, pick a target, and then target it until he dies or it dies, then pick another, etc.

I still have no time, might post in 4~ hours

[shos]

that makes sense.
I'll be posting tomorrow. today a new semester started, and I'm doing a masters degree together with a fulltime job, so time is of the essence

[shos]

I read the VCA; and up until post 1818, and consiidering my results, I have reason to think tierce is scum. this is not solid.
VOTE: Tierce.

will keep reading in a minute

[shos]

I don't get any wagon on Espeonage.
RE
Shiendrender - how did you get to a strongman from that? what is abnormal in that name? to me it sounds like a kind of enabler - like the way that Encryptor enables daytalk.
Sooooooo. of course jailing ABR on an odd night is suboptimal as scum, but then again, jailing him on N2 is VERY stupid from town. the fact that I have been blocked tonight

proves

that it is scum that have a JK. it also proves that it is not compulsive in the way that I thought - because ABR only died AFTER tonight.

what you're doing in this post is stupid and useless analysis on my end; by now there's realy no use in not claiming actually. I am a voyeur; and I know that it was a jailkeep, and not a roleblock. if they can block, OR kill ABR, why would they waste their rolecop on him instead of doing that?

Now. your AD vote is ok. but here's the thing. you said in the start of your post that it kept you awake. I get that too, sometimes. but here's the thing. when I get up from bed to post stuff on my head, I do that. I don't dig out post 1639 and post 1567.

[shos]

Maybe compulsive was not quite the right word. Ill get home very late today but ill just wait till then to post bigger and better.

On a scale of scummypants to scummyboy, how scummy is Espeonage, shos?

null. even nulltown, actually.

[shos]

Shos:

Thats bad logic tierce. May i remind you that they JKed him n2, not rced him.

You know, without question, whatever happened to to ABR n2 was both a jailkeep AND done by scum?

If not, lets leave this until you want to lay it all out.

---

That said, I want esp dead. Today.

I also want what the majority of this page was to stop. Forever.

I know that the ONLY actions that targetted ABR was Jailkeep, during N2 and N3. I'm still thinking if I want to share my N1 info.

Spyrex, I'm getting rea good townvibes from you. can you please explain me in one good post why you think Esp is scum?

[shos]

Vote: desp

AD isn't looking all that good either.

Explain to me the Desp vote. my POV on the VCA got a firm townread there.

P.S. V/LA until Saturday.

don't forget this post, you.

[shos]

PV's two posts in the end of page 74 is pretty awesome. especially the first one.

Nobody at all targetted Tierce night 1.

I'm happy with my vote.


I considered 'shieldrender' as a 'render' not as a rend-er.

[shos]

how backwards? what am I wrong about? explain.

[shos]

So are you guys suggesting that the JK is town? How did the scum know, then, last night, that ABR will not be jailkept? Or perhaps they used strongman to kill through the protection.?

For a strongman to exist town needs protective roles.

I agree that claiming VT is antitown, yes. But think about it from scum perapective: it robs you of all versatility you might have with fakeclaiming; it gets you constantly looked at; if you get tracked or watched its autokill; i dunno. As town iy makes no sense but i can see people who decide to do that. As scum it makes much less sense.

Also, we are 75 pages into the game abd 2000 posts; thats not enough fpr a viable lynch.

[shos]

Ah.

That is still odd; the doc is weak, why dedicate an entire role for that?

I can go for an Actiondan Lynch too, definitely.

[shos]

Pvs posts are still pretty damn awesome though

[shos]

If the idea is to make the weak doc just a cop and not a doc, itd be a weak cop with no strongman. If only scum can kill then jk is basically rb. So whats the idea?

Dunno. Anyway, im starting to lean back onto ActionDan. Never actually left him lol.

[shos]

Also. Sirdan, link me to why esp is scum.

[shos]

Sirdan, explain to me Why shadoweh was scum then.

[shos]

Singling out Tierce for not seeing shadow scum is super mcduper strange.

Okay tell me on what earth would a not-shitty pro-town player not have seen at that point that Shadow was obvscum.

I don't buy it. Also she is lurking, trying to avoid my accusation.

Sirdan, explain to me Why shadoweh was scum then.

Uhm, for having read me-town the entire game, then on that day switching to finding me scum and wanting to lynch me and being quite zealous about it too for no reason? And that goes for me, one of the most universally town-read people in this game?

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if shadoweh did this to defend Tierce, because there was talk of a Tierce wagon that day.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

OH MAN

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

VOTE: sirdan

[shos]

See, exactly. Your scumreads are omgus. You claim shadoweh was obvscum because she flipped 180 on you, the 'universal townread'?? Lol man, literally everyone called you scum,bsince when are you a townreas of ANYONE?

you try to get towncred for bussing pre-crumb, but in fact the crumb was the only thing that made shadow confsxum - many people had him as yown ( i had him aa strongest townread}. And now - you juat sheep popular wagon(s) with nothing to add.

[shos]

You have 300 posts and i remember VERY FEW posts of content that i can call wprthy.

[shos]

See, exactly. Your scumreads are omgus. You claim shadoweh was obvscum because she flipped 180 on you, the 'universal townread'?? Lol man, literally everyone called you scum,bsince when are you a townreas of ANYONE?

you try to get towncred for bussing pre-crumb, but in fact the crumb was the only thing that made shadow confsxum - many people had him as yown ( i had him aa strongest townread}. And now - you juat sheep popular wagon(s) with nothing to add.

That's what shadoweh does as scum. She'll flip 180 on a townie.

Sirdan - you didn't say that you know her

meta

in doing that. flipping a 180 is not bad, but if that's her scummeta, you should've said so.
If you said that earlier, link me please.

And why, I dunno why, all I remember about you is that practically everyone called you spewing shit and spam (and you even got offended by that a few times iirc), don't remember people calling you town.

Right now: everyone, please tell me your read on sirdan.

[shos]

no, you *should* take it slow. there's no need to rush. I like PV's posting; and I'm gonna be halfassed about tierce because gut says she's town, and because I really don't know how sirdan is still alive. of course if we're anywhere near DL I'll be voting tierce.

meanwhile I want to ISO shadow and JS and seearch there.

[shos]

Good town reads:
PV
Elscouta

scumreads:
tierce,
ActionDan,

omgwhythisstillalive:
sirdan

????:
spyrex
esp

if anyone's not on the list - add him to the scum pile for lurkfest out of my memory

~~~

[shos]

post 380 makes me think esp is town. post 389(same page) makes me think sirdan is scum.

[shos]

also see post 571 for more reasons for esp town