Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[The Clubhouse]

VOTE: 165 Trolls

It would be antitown for us to do anything other than lynch this today.

~Vice

[The Clubhouse]

Why isn't this like 15 pages yet?

~Vice

[The Clubhouse]

Also Tammy is probably scum.

pretty sure that was ff who posted

your scum aren't you

you are doing that thing that you do

VOTE: pfr things

Dang, that's probably town. It's a good thing, I have no idea what scum mollie looks like!

Unvote: Ansuz
Vote: 165 Trolls

Apparently they have to be scum and it's antitown not to vote them. Since I want to vote scum and look pro-town, I'm pretty much forced to do this.

I liked this. Why didn't you, PFR?

I have town reads too

Mollie, Clubhouse, Nastyrash are townies

But its important that I get scumread so I can coast

I'll assume you meant "scumreads" >.<

~Vice

[The Clubhouse]

I'll assume you meant "scumreads" >.<

No I think Squirrel/Tammy are scummy.

I think you/mollie/natirasha are townie. I did not mispeak.

You...want people to scumread you, so you can coast?

I liked this. Why didn't you, PFR?

Uhhh, well why did you like it? It didn't feel natural to me.

I like jokey, even if it's the usualy 'lol guyz what if I was scum' thing that can be a scumtell

~Vice (President; will probably sign as "VP" henceforth)

[The Clubhouse]

Then again, I guess I've supplied your probable answer at this point. I didn't quite see it that way on first read.

~VP

[The Clubhouse]

I forgot who else was in her hydra so I just cslled it Tammy. I don't know fish.

Post still from scum. Id gladiate him for that post.

you are really not living up to your username here captain certainty

Mollie, gimme your hilarious P3 BROseidon read

this doesnt really seem like a reasonable reply to post 52.

-vp , phoneposting and apparently not allowed to use capital letters?

[The Clubhouse]

every time i see someone enter a thread like that i cant help but be reminded of amrun in fire emblem

-vp, who doesnt really care about giving away his identity since itd be really obvious eventually anyway

[The Clubhouse]

oh sorry sc i meant nachodesp

vp

[The Clubhouse]

Hey y'all, Admiral Vladimir Puttanesca checking in to The Clubhouse. How's it hangin? Nice to see some of you players, it's been a while. Others are new, so sup? It'll be a pleasure to serve with you all. I'll catch you on the flipside.

~High Chancellor Vladimir Puttanesca

[The Clubhouse]

Ya'll have to wait and see, wontcha? We could all be Ceph or we could be other people. Or we may not even know who we are.

~Marquis Vladimir Puttanesca

[The Clubhouse]

Oh hey this happened. I'm claiming hider and hiding behind the pirate tonight. kthnx.

hi cabd!

VOTE: ansuz

how many more town tells do you want me to drop in 10 posts?

So far we have:
1) God complex
2) Early game clownfuckery instead of srs business to show all the haters that ODIN isn't afraid.
3) Shouty text
4) General hilarity; a joy to be around
5) Self-meta

This brings me to approximately one town tell in every two posts I make, which is an impressive rate for early game, especially while I'm hungover.

but it doesnt... you cant... frownyface.

i know this post is a joke but like stop

this doesnt really seem like a reasonable reply to post 52.

Thats because it was entirely unrelated.

You're welcome for breaking the ice guys, let the alt slips commence.

i feel like when someone calls you out that hard its generally accepted that you should immediately proceed to acknowledge that fact in any way shape or form

NY167, Upick of Fire and Ice, others.

He just does it a lot.

I don't remember cephir alt slipping in upick but my life there was shortlived. poast?

i recall altslipping once in each direction, but i have also expressed to cabd via skype that i am slash expect to be terrible at maintaining my hydraness. i can only hope my partners are better.

My thought process boils down to "we may find out if it's just cephrir by himself in the end" but even thenit was a throwaway joke. Does it being him alone indicate anything about his alignment? I don't really think it does, unless he starts claiming hydra diss on a read in which case we speedlynch him.

well here are some reasons this is actually a hydra if you want

one of us is visibly phoneposting
we dont have very obvious personality distinctions like dr j
post timing
one head making a post clearly showing they hadnt read the thread
i am not awesome enough to come up with the name 'high chancellor vladimir puttanesca'

it occurs to me that its an unfortunate coincidence we are both using the initials vp thus far, im willing to change if this proves confusing

-vp, for now at least

[The Clubhouse]

every time i see someone enter a thread like that i cant help but be reminded of amrun in fire emblem

-vp, who doesnt really care about giving away his identity since itd be really obvious eventually anyway

I want your blood on my dance floor.

Vote: The Clubhouse

is this srs because i dont remember you ever coming to a complete decision about me like day 1 nevermind page 4

vp

[The Clubhouse]

VOTE: bazinga

[The Clubhouse]

~Stephen Hawking~

[The Clubhouse]

Contradiction? What contradiction?

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Perhaps when we contradict ourselves, my dear Quayle?

~Cardinal Vladimir Puttanesca

[The Clubhouse]

I assumed they were saying bazinga contradicted themselves, but I don't see how that's the case... Ball's in your court, Mr. Mhork.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Oh, that. Alright.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Squirrel Girl- good point about the avatar, fixed. Very quick to jump on any and all trains, why?

165 Trolls (BROseidon and Cabd)- I am just excited that I was thought of when the invites went out. I live for high-level mafia playing.

Ansuz (Nachomamma8 and Desperado)- I think us Gods should stick together, think of all the little heavenly babies we could have. Your read on Tammy is baseless and incorrect, you will see her town it up soon enough. I have insider info that she should be on tonight if possible, or tomorrow at the latest. Not thrilled about the call out on your own townieness. If you are aware of what makes you town then you could easily fake it as scum.

Paranoia Fueled Rampage (AngryPidgeon and EspeciallyTheLies and Guyett)- You guys are going to give me a complex if I don’t start getting some attention in hydras. You are willing to gladiate us on day 1, with my partner having yet post, interesting. I think you are town and I don’t want to fight your civil war. You seem very sure of who you want to lynch, can you explain?

Stuffed Crust (Mac and Varsoon)- very little to go on.

The Clubhouse (Cephrir+)- Liking you right now, not sure if its Cephrir or others, but tones is completely different from ASOFAI and that is really the only experience I have with Ceph. I would have called you scum in that game not matter who you had fooled, scouts honor.

Mhork and Mindy (penguin_alien and Lord Mhork)- adequate posting so far, nothing stands out for the most part though. If you weren’t expecting a

n all

mostly hydra game, what were you expecting?

Yggdra Union (Pieguyn - thenewearth - DrCirno)- comic sans is for scumfucks, glad it doesn’t show on my phone. How do you know what bazinga means? You guys talking about it in the scum qt?

Generically Purple (Ms Marangal and Generic)- yet to post?

bazinga (pirate mollie and Bert)- I really hope that you don’t plan on imitating anyone from BBT, cause I will seriously advocate a policy lynch for that alone. Mollie did you break? Claim someone as town, turn around and vote them. Going back and forth on Desp/Nacho. What gives?

Rancid Broderick Drake (Natirasha and zMuffinMan)- soft claim faith healer in most obvious way, overcompensating? Wifom? Why self vote here?

Si and Am (Malakittens and RachMarie)- One post so far, and it seemed like your post was to your partner, why not just talk to them in private?

Town- PFR, Club
Probably town- 165, ansuz
Null- Stuffed, Mhork, Purple, S&A
Probably scum- Squirrel, Yggdra, Rancid
Scum- Bazinga

Holy crap. This is *Formerfish*? You guys didn't do any hydra impersonating in ASOIAF did you? Because seriously, this could not sound less like you did in that game holy crap. Town town town town town.

just read ff's post

it isn't gonna happen is it

anyways I think you should quicklynch us cos tbh I wanted to have fun but I can't with scum taking advantage of dummy mhork (ff) and ansuz letting it happen even tho it is what he is supposed to do. yes, ansuz is scum with tammy/ff hydra I will fucking put money on it.

VOTE: ansuz a million times over

Wow, maybe our vote is in a solid place after all. Good job, Stephen. PSA, his vote was apparently semi serious.

Fuck.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Aww, thanks Athena. It's nice to know we're appreciated :3
Sad I was wrong about the contradiction... Hydras contradicting themselves is a thing right?

~Viceroy Vladimir Puttanesca

[The Clubhouse]

Don't worry, Mhork. Mollie's just scum. It's not her fault, but she still has to die.

I know this can be hard to accept.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Holy crap. This is *Formerfish*? You guys didn't do any hydra impersonating in ASOIAF did you? Because seriously, this could not sound less like you did in that game holy crap. Town town town town town.

Why is this Town town town town town?

I would prefer not to discuss this just yet even though he probably knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm gonna go to sleep being all like "I'm right and muffin is wrong, can't wait for mollie to be super town and shit tomorrow so I can rub it in his face".

Ye can swab me deck

are you going to at least pretend to be town for 5 minutes and unvote me and give me a chance to reread and wall it up?

IIRC you were not this certain about many players in ASOIAF, and this day has been 80% jokes. By the time we shot you in that game you had like 2 solid reads.

Important

The Mafia Quicktopic was left open for the first 14 hours of this game and was used as daytalk, since role pms and the op of the quicktopic clearly state that the quicktopic can only be used at night I have decided to penalize mafia by extending the deadline by 2 days to the 28th January at 6pm as well as making sure that town is aware that mafia were using daytalk. If you do not agree with this decision please pm me.

The current deadline is in (expired on 2014-01-28 18:00:00)

This daytalk probably explains the pirate-emulating snoozefest nonsense that looks collaborated from more than one player (several, at that), for what it's worth.

- Bert

This comment is ridiculous and shows a massive bias to me. IE you've been told your hydra is going to scumread Nacho & Nati and you're blindly following suit.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

ALSO, Bert's first post isn't a troll post? No thanks.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

ALSO, Bert's first post isn't a troll post? No thanks.

~VP Quayle

Your expectations of Bert are shaped by an unrealistic hyperactive showing in Hard Boiled. I think your view is obsolete and you need some direction from a trusted source. Otherwise, you will never arrive at reads on me consistently. Also, you have no gauge on what my scumgame is like. If you did, you would know that this "cutesy thing from Hard Boiled" is not alignment indicative.

has anyone mentioned that you and Ansuz and Rancid are probably the scum team? With an outside shot of Yogdra? Just sayin', confirmation biased love. <3333333

Oh, and BOOM That was my first post --->

Hello

/confirm

I have

FAITH

that town will win this game!

-Nati

fucking hell, nati
aren't you being a bit too obvious?
i doubt scum missed that crumb :<
that was way too obvious
h

You two are being bad, bad boys.

Bad Nat, Bad Egg McMuffin. Just bad.

I will call you Rancor of HAVOC

Oh, that's good, I thought that post was odd.

But your behavior in Hard Boiled was definitely alignment indicative. That doesn't mean you have to always do it as town, it just means that was like the best read I've ever had and I'm not giving it up.

What I don't like about this post is that you treat me like town in the beginning of it (here let me explain why this thing you said about me is based on your own incorrect biases) and then call me scum.

@ cephrir

y'all shot me n2. I had 2 solid scumreads and a huge pile of town reads and most of those were pretty solid albeit I was wrong about you and alfred. I blame thor for the alfred read. I also actually had messiah as a light scumread but townread him so that he would consider leaving me alive and I was going to try to get him to bus his teammates. that backfired when I died but I honestly did not expect to die so early.

and you are not listening to me about nacho. he is scum. I think you need to reread the last couple of pages.

there are some players I can read very very well. nacho is 1 of those players

I don't have a read on Nacho yet, I'm not completely discounting anything here.

Maybe I was remembering a little wrong. I may even go look at it (ie your D1 play) again, although that would take effort

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I've been reading Squirrel Girl as town, but I'm a little concerned that might just be me subconsciously wanting to townread her because of the position she's in.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

@PFR

Not being a hydra.

Why are you so convinced it's Sakura? It doesn't sound like her to me.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

What I don't like about this post is that you treat me like town in the beginning of it (here let me explain why this thing you said about me is based on your own incorrect biases) and then call me scum.

our read on you is scum, along with the Nacho thing and the Rancid thingy.

I talk to you in the CASE that you may be town. I work with people in case they are town even if I think they are scum. Even when I'm scumreading Nacho, I keep asking him for reads and such. You really don't know how to read me, and Hard Boiled is not a barometer at all. Ask Nacho or Ffery or anyone else who played in that game who has played with me since in completed games. You put effort into games, but you can't just check and see for a glimpse of what my scumgame is like, and you proceed to hedge on me?

Lazy.

It's probably not a fair barometer, I'm admitting that. It's weird to me that you guys seem to have so strong a consensus on all your reads, though. I'd like you to articulate why you personally think I'm scum.

I am lazy, yes. Brilliant deduction.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Cephrir why do you give a shit why they think you're scum?

The question was why Bert personally thinks I am scum. I was trying to determine whether he is actually trying to read anyone. The answer, as given below, being no.

It's probably not a fair barometer, I'm admitting that. It's weird to me that you guys seem to have so strong a consensus on all your reads, though. I'd like you to articulate why you personally think I'm scum.

I am lazy, yes. Brilliant deduction.

It's absolutely unfair. You know it, so if you're going to be lazy about it, you might as well just discard Hard Boiled because that's before any of my scum meta came out.

In the most polite terms possible, I refuse. I've already said I'm not necessarily holding you to that standard, but I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen.

It's not a strong consensus, I am yielding to the expertise of Mollie. We are a hydra, so it is "our" read. Also, she is right about Nacho 9 times out of 10 and Nacho knows it.

Normally when playing with Nacho and Mollie individually, I just sheep Mollie onto Nacho if she reads him as scum.

You are allowed to sheep your partner sometimes but I would like to see you scumhunt for yourself too. The strength of a hydra is the second perspective.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Even though a good portion of the ATE wasn't alignment indicative, I don't think I want to vote this anymore. Pending discussion, though.

Also, I have somewhat legitimate reasons for thinking Squirrel Girl isn't Sakura in addition to the whole "there is no reason to think that and they don't sound the same at all" deal.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

And to clarify, I don't even need you to read me as town. I need you to work with me.

Formerfish called our slot town for absolutely no reason. Is he usually confident in making a read on me? No. Is he going to read Desp as town based on #62 and #63? No. Then, in his reads post, he found a legitimate reason to call me scum based on an insanely weak and obvious bullshit self-meta town case. Yet, he still ends up with us as a townread. Why? Because he is obligated to read our slot as town; he reads Desperado, Tammy reads me. He doesn't want to push us as a mislynch because there's no way in hell they will be able to get us lynched. That is not a genuine sort, that is him reading us becaus he knows we're town and not fucking with it.

Hm. Thank you for articulating this, at least. I think Athena deserves more time, though.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Holy crap. This is *Formerfish*? You guys didn't do any hydra impersonating in ASOIAF did you? Because seriously, this could not sound less like you did in that game holy crap. Town town town town town.

Why is this Town town town town town?

Fine, it's not like they don't know. FF was super angry & aggressive in the game (and was scum) I've seen him in and those posts sounded like a completely different person.

In hindsight I probably should have shut up about this entirely to see how it played out, but my hand is basically on the table at this point anyway.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Squirrel Girl
Si and Am (Malakittens and RachMarie)
Generically Purple (Ms Marangal and Generic)
165 Trolls (BROseidon and Cabd)
bazinga (pirate mollie and Bert)

Paranoia Fueled Rampage (AngryPidgeon and EspeciallyTheLies and Guyett)
Rancid Broderick Drake (Natirasha and zMuffinMan)

Mhork and Mindy (penguin_alien and Lord Mhork)
Yggdra Union (Pieguyn - thenewearth - DrCirno)
Stuffed Crust (Mac and Varsoon)
The Clubhouse (Cephrir+)

Ansuz (Nachomamma8 and Desperado)
Athenas Fury (Tammy and Formerfish)

Pedit: I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK (GIF?)

...You think someone with like 5 posts is townier than yourself???

Who/what is the pirate crew, and what decided who was among them?

We would troll the high seas together.
I was going to let Muffin sort mollie himself so he didn't have to trust the meta crew on him, and he becomes my vote wench when mollie flips town.

WTF is this shit?

Still waiting for someone before I can remove my vote.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Scumrir is not in attendance in this hydra. He's one of the people we throw water balloons at.

~VP Quayle

Pedit: yes? It gets at the problem either way...

[The Clubhouse]

Scumrir is not in attendance in this hydra. He's one of the people we throw water balloons at.

~VP Quayle

Pedit: yes? It gets at the problem either way...

You missed the question, Scumrir.
What does it look like?

I was not answering the question in protest.

It looks like you're saying you expect mollie to be lynched or possibly nightkilled. Even though at present this does not seem especially likely.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

BTW, Nacho, feel free to say you're reaction testing me and not claiming scum anytime now!

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Ceph, do you think that list of reads is legit?

It seems strange, but why would I assume otherwise? Why else would you post it?

~VP Quayle

P.S. VOTE: ansuz

[The Clubhouse]

I'll remove my vote if and only if you can give me some decent reasons for that read. I don't think you can.

~VP Quayle

Pedit: I didn't have any suspicion of you until recently.....

[The Clubhouse]

I didn't unvote mollie because A) the read was not mine in the first place and I wanted to consult with Stephen before moving his vote and B) I'm not actually convinced it was as obvtown as it looks on the surface

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Des, I don't have a post #78.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I'll remove my vote if and only if you can give me some decent reasons for that read. I don't think you can.

~VP Quayle

Pedit: I didn't have any suspicion of you until recently.....

This is more Scumrir posting!

I'm revoking your ability to read me and/or you're scum.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

And this is wonderful that you have decided to try to meta me and then apply some past disagreement to an interaction with this slot based simply on the presumption you are reading the meta of a player who has actively said they are playing against their normal meta.

Vote: Squirrel Girl

How about this, everyone lynches me, targets up, and then I don't need to listen to Bazinga anymore. Win/win.

Oh, also, I have specifically requested the scum QT not be released simply because I alt slipped in it and, y'know, the point of this account is not to be associated with my main. You aren't really missing much, mostly it's just AA and I doing a bit of debate about who to NK, me expressing that I don't think town's plan is "all that" and I think that's about it. Oh, I also gloat a bit about some of the things I get to do as scum again when freed from association with my main, but I suppose all of that will be a temporary benefit moving forward. Maybe not, I am having fun with this alternate playstyle and think it is healthy for my main for me to be doing this.

Noted.

[The Clubhouse]

Well, what do you think? I'm voting you, after all.

Hey, remember the last time you tried to lynch me? I do.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=31132

[The Clubhouse]

"Doesn't feel like Nacho is trying to figure anything out" - This is dumb reasoning. Tammy's Day 3 policy has to do with me being susceptible as hell to slow starts.

I've only seen you have a slow start once, for which I direct you once again to post 499.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

"Doesn't feel like Nacho is trying to figure anything out" - This is dumb reasoning. Tammy's Day 3 policy has to do with me being susceptible as hell to slow starts.

I've only seen you have a slow start once, for which I direct you once again to post 499.

~VP Quayle

In that game, I had a slow start because I was scum and you were lynching obvious town.
In this game, I had a slow start because I was trolling like crazy.
Do you see a difference, Scumrir?

You are still having a slow start.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=31132

He didn't push you, I did!

I don't like being ignored, TVYM

Post 854/855. He did too.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I'm done talking to you if you're going to be like this, Scumcho.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

This just in, folks: post count is a measure of content. Said no one ever.

~VP Quayle

P-edit: Appending "Scumrir" to everything you say. It's a cheap tactic and a scummy one to boot.

[The Clubhouse]

You're kidding, right Mara? You scumread me in every fucking game, I'm used to it. Then again, I suppose I have yet to see you be town. But Nacho is different, or so I thought.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

This just in, folks: post count is a measure of content. Said no one ever.

~VP Quayle

P-edit: Appending "Scumrir" to everything you say. It's a cheap tactic and a scummy one to boot.

Why is it a scummy tactic?

It's designed to push people's subconsciouses in your direction without you having to actually make an argument.

[The Clubhouse]

This just in, folks: post count is a measure of content. Said no one ever.

~VP Quayle

P-edit: Appending "Scumrir" to everything you say. It's a cheap tactic and a scummy one to boot.

Why is it a scummy tactic?

It's designed to push people's subconsciouses in your direction without you having to actually make an argument.

Most people can see that calling you Scumrir is shit talking and nothing more than that, just like AP bussing comments.

I don't care. I don't appreciate it.

I only scum-read you as town, once and I was right.

I scum-read you as scum, at least once and I was doing it to fuel my "paranoia" and make myself town

I think there was one other game where you were town and I as scum, and I had scum-read you there... and cabd pretended that there was dissonance.

What's your point? Do you have a reasonably long history of reading me correctly while you were town, like Nacho does? No, no you don't.

[The Clubhouse]

167, Cabd.

[The Clubhouse]

@552, yes, I noticed. Thank you.

[The Clubhouse]

I'm done talking to you if you're going to be like this, Scumcho.

~VP Quayle

Hey it's exactly what Cephrir said to Thor in Faraday's uPick!

Rampage and Clubhouse are trying really really hard to discredit us right now. Wonder why...

- Des

Me saying "fuck this I'm not talking to you anymore" is not alignment indicative. I'm an emotional player, sue me.

Suspecting someone and trying to discredit them are different things. (Also, it's because PFR and I are town and you aren't)

[The Clubhouse]

What's your point? Do you have a reasonably long history of reading me correctly while you were town, like Nacho does? No, no you don't.

really now?

because, in Mastins game, he stated that he didn't really know how to read you. I'm prettyyyyy sure

I'll just go ahead and let him confirm that I'm not making this up

[The Clubhouse]

(Except when he can't or is scum apparently!)

~VPQ

[The Clubhouse]

...did you just flip your read on me nacho

I fucking hate it when people do that

~VPQ

[The Clubhouse]

Tammy I don't see any town-role-PM celebration that would be all over the place in a scary playerlist like this. Why, given you've told me time and time again you can't do it as scum but it's always there as town?

This x 1000 right now

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

You hate everything I do all the time, Mara.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Nacho fucking with me I can kinda accept, but it greatly irritates me (in a scumvibe way) that Desp was in on it too. That makes it seem more likely to me that it could be a "wait no we shouldn't do this it's not working".

P-edit: ...Yeah, she probably is.

VOTE: Athena

[The Clubhouse]

Hm. We'll see, then, Ansuz. We'll see.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

that's still a little presumptuous, considering I only have one game where I actually read you

IIRC you said in at least one of the scumgames you would have been scumreading me as town. Assuming this was indeed directed at me.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Somebody investigate 165 trolls tonight so I can stop worry about them.

TIA
-AP

The Clubhouse officially approves this product and/or service

But only because all of us have executive decision making power

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Do let them claim, please.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

As a completely unnecessary aside, Tammy should be really excited about this playerlist, and isn't.

~VP Dan Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Don't make me unvote, Cabd, I really want to be on a scum wagon as town for possibly the first time ever.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Cabd, you're the worst.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Tammy is hear somewhere, and so is bert apparently. Whoever knows me will know what I'm like. Don't meta me, it's a waste of time cos I won't even necessarily post in the same tone this evening let alone from day phase to day phase, I've hit a stressful patch again... Bert to give you a reference think day 1 of wingate. This time though I have ensure mara is in the same team as me by dragging her along for the ride.

Why did I sign up to this? I will try and take it seriously but my mind does like to shift suddenly.

Anyway. I was toying with predicting responses to me, I already made my apologies to mara that any progress she may have made in this will likely crash down the moment I put my size 13 foot I to the mix.

~ Generic (like you hadn't figured that out already)

I wish you didn't feel the need to open with excuses =S

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

On a "successful ATE" level Athena's post is okay, but there is something else I dislike about it that I'll get around to tomorrow.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Town-

PFR, Club

Probably town- 165, ansuz

Null- Stuffed,

Mhork

, Purple,

S&A

Probably scum- Squirrel, Yggdra,

Rancid

Scum- Bazinga

Explain Club Mhork and S+A being green, then. Because all I see here is you coloring in everyone else to fling shit at me and nacho.

It's hard to argue with this, those seem excessively arbitrary.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

@PFR: Why can't Mhork be scum without Bazinga from that?

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I wasn't 'expecting' anything for this game. I got a PM from P_A saying 'yo wanna hydra for an open?' and I was all like 'sure.' and then the game popped up and it was all hydras.

Also what the fuck bazinga? How the fuck am I stupid?

This is either scum with Bazinga or town IMO

This, PFR. I don't get the leap here.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Cephrir, why didn't you freak out more about us refusing to let Tammy claim?

You don't actually want an answer to this, do you?

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Cephrir, why didn't you freak out more about us refusing to let Tammy claim?

You don't actually want an answer to this, do you?

~VP Quayle

I do.

Alright, let the record show this is your fault.

It's a fake hammer.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Oh, you already said it. Derp.

~VPQ

[The Clubhouse]

@Clubhouse: Mhork was being defensive about being called an idiot there. Town is more likely to get pissy about that sort of thing. I could -maybe- see it as a scum/scum thing, but still way more likely to be from town. Scum will be like "OMG you discredited me, you are scum" ..not "why am I an idiot??"

I don't know if I could disagree more, but I guess I can see how you might think that?

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

And I'm having trouble believing that you even thought you were mislynched.

This is definitely my problem right now, but I believe Stephen will be with us momentarily to disagree with me.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I'm making a post while I can, it's probably going to be really outdated by the time it actually gets posted.

Right now, I've got my eye on PFR. I could easily see PFR scum playing leader for awhile, playing more on town reads than scum reads to avoid either being wrong or bussing their partners to a lynch. I would have to look more into things to see if there's more conclusive evidence for PFR-scum, but I have a suspicion of it based on the way they're playing right now and will be looking into it more later.

On the other side, Athena's probably town. While I don't have experience with Formerfish, his reads list towards the beginning gave me a small gut town read on the slot; it was set up with more active posters at the time having stronger reads and nothing out of the ordinary, really, which I would expect from town actually taking time to read a game like this. But Tammy's post-fakehammer posts were actually genuine, reading just this game as reference. (I would be willing to look at examples of Tammy-scum doing something similar as well if there are any.) First of all, everything hinges on whether Tammy actually knew she was hammered or not; I'm willing to say that I think she did think she was hammered. She seemed to actually be at work; I heavily doubt she lied about that. If she's at work, I don't think she'd be able to fake the posting that she did in #698. Furthermore, if she was scum and knew she hadn't actually been hammered, I think she would have waited until she got home before attempting a post to get herself out of her situation.

Other small reads on my end are Yggdra town and Ansuz/Mhork leaning scum. I feel like Mhork and Mindy will be easy for me to read if they post a lot, so they should do that.

~Stephen Hawking~

[The Clubhouse]

Impending OMGUS from clubhouse noted.

Nice reversal Don't worry. We'll get you tomorrow.

ETL

Lol, that was a different head, learn to read.

This reaction sucks, though.

~VP Quayle

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

whatever

[The Clubhouse]

Dear lord, so much AtE.
Sucks if true. But if just to garner sympathy, shame on you.
Calling us scumrir isn't very nice, while Steve and I have been busy, quayle has been a dear and posted everything by himself for which I thank him. Once I'm not dealing with family I will be giving my full thoughts,
~Lord High Commissioner Vladimir Puttanesca

[The Clubhouse]

This just in, folks: post count is a measure of content. Said no one ever.

~VP Quayle

P-edit: Appending "Scumrir" to everything you say. It's a cheap tactic and a scummy one to boot.

I don't remember you going to bat for me when Nacho was using post counts to scumread me in the uPick.

I was scum and trying to mislynch you...

Nacho fucking with me I can kinda accept, but it greatly irritates me (in a scumvibe way) that Desp was in on it too. That makes it seem more likely to me that it could be a "wait no we shouldn't do this it's not working".

P-edit: ...Yeah, she probably is.

VOTE: Athena

lol this is the kind of thing I would expect scumCeph to say if he thought Nacho had admitted to just trolling him

Well, it isn't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

~Dan Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

UNVOTE:

To prevent asshattery.

~Dan Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Also can someone explain how one post of AtE makes bazinga obvtown

It doesn't but I've been liking her more recent posts a good deal.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

<crazy tinfoil stuff>

Jegus. Wow. Why is anyone voting this? In my experience scum don't really think this way but holy shit this post is so town. I can't believe RBD proceeded to keep attacking after this post.

it was bert who made the fake hammer post

I be calling whaleshit on 896 being a Bert post. Bert just recently posted saying he's catching up on the thread tomorrow, and that post came within two minutes of your previous post. Bert wasn't even online and posting on his Bert account at the time of that post.

Ye are blatantly lying here.

cos I could easily see you cheeky scumfucks calling yourselves team pirate and being blatantly obvious about it just to see if you could get away with it

Ye clearly didn't even read the exchange with Nacho, and yer tinfoil theory about it reflects this. It is essentially fluff.

A) as has already been pointed out, Tammy is capitalized in the post in question, so you're wrong.

B) Re italicized: wtf? Are you reading the same post I am?

Nacho or Desp,

Can you guys actually read between the lines of what she's posting instead of writing her off as town, here? Do ye really think she'd be this fucking horrible with her reads if she be town?

Like even ignoring the horrible read on me,

she still has Tammy as scum even though she's suggesting I'm scum who tried to quickhammer

. What the fuck is that? Do you think that's a genuine town thought process?

Abso fucking lutely. Thinking one's scumspects are legitimately all correct is a sign of a massive ego and nothing else. I daresay mollie does have an ego, but that doesn't mean she has to be 100% on all her suspects. I know I never would be.

rancid I am not lying I did not make that post. bert is in full blown troll mode I saw the post this morning and I did a facepalm cos I am like what are you doing.

Bullshit.

You're telling me that within two minutes of your previous post, Bert came online

only on Bazinga, not on his Bert account

to post a single post in this game alone, without reading anything that's going on, and somehow noticed that the vote we placed on Athena wasn't the hammer, and that this was the second instance of it in the game so far.... Then 4 hours later comes online on his Bert account and bazinga, and posts here basically saying he's not caught up on the current events?

Bullshit.

You make this sound way more absurd than it is.

This might be scum.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Then it's a good thing S&A aren't scummy and I am actually leaning town, then, isn't it?

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

True, but I know my alignment and I don't know yours

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

True, but I know my alignment and I don't know yours

~Quayle

I know her better than you do.

and, I can say the same thing to you guys.

why should I trust your lean-town, when I'm lean-scum and I have a better picture of her play?

Absolutely no reason whatsoever!

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

maybe if someone else did.

Oh, please, great one. Bestow upon us your celestial judgments, that we might bathe in their light and praise thee.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I wish I had time to make a sizable post right now, but my internet has been broken most of the day and now I have to go soon. Please don't lynch anyone without a claim, and I'd strongly prefer you not lynch anyone until I get to have some input because there are some trains moving really fast and one of them (the pirate train) almost certainly contains at least one scum (and I don't think it's rancid).

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Then again, I suppose Rancid did sketch me out a couple times. I guess I'll figure it out later but consider me firmly pro-mollie for now.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Why is anyone voting this? In my experience scum don't really think this way but holy shit this post is so town. I can't believe RBD proceeded to keep attacking after this post.

What part of the wench's "crazy tin foil" stuff did ye think looked town? I've heard tales of ghost ships and heard paranoia fueled by drinking murky seawater that sounded more down to earth than the the paranoia ye be referring to.

If ye think it looks town because it looks like the deranged rantings of a lunatic, and ye think scum can't imitate the deranged rantings of a lunatic, then perhaps ye need to stop being a pirate and head back to Rome. I hear they welcome lily-livered sailors like yerself.

Look. If you can't see this one, I don't think I can help you. Fortunately, I don't really need to explain this read because everyone with sense/a town role PM agrees with me. Which is great because it's so self-evident I cannot even articulate it.

A) as has already been pointed out, Tammy is capitalized in the post in question, so you're wrong.

B) Re italicized: wtf? Are you reading the same post I am?

(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH) If that be the case, then ye believe Bert is following the thread and "trolling" by pretending he be behind in reading the thread? And I assume ye think this be town because <insert answer that only makes sense to someone who has drunk a few too many mugs of ale>?

(BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH) The wench suggested Nacho and I be doing pirate stuff because we be cheeky scum. This clearly shows she not be reading the exchange because it took a couple pages for Nacho to even think about joining me crew. Me dashing good looks and charm won his heart in the end, but it be a long journey getting First Mate Ansuz to join me crew.

A) It's entirely possible. Alternatively you are remembering the order of things wrong. Or Bert was going on what he'd read in whatever hydra communication is happening over there. It's one of those.

B) I am beginning to think PFR is the cheeky scum. More on this as it develops.

Abso fucking lutely. Thinking one's scumspects are legitimately all correct is a sign of a massive ego and nothing else. I daresay mollie does have an ego, but that doesn't mean she has to be 100% on all her suspects. I know I never would be

Yahahahaha, so ye don't think reads are shaped by other reads and how they relate to one another? Ye don't think reads should take into account who makes sense with who as scum? Ye see something that makes no sense if X and Y are scum together, and this doesn't shape yer reads in any way?

I don't worry about this until I see flips. Usually.

This might be scum.

I see ye not be voting. I see ye think me scum. Why not vote me then?

I am figuring out where best to land my vote. I mentioned some weird things from you and I was talking about things between page 40 and here mostly, but I'm up to page 45 now and I don't have any idea what I was talking about earlier.

rancid's push on me felt the exact same way. it felt like it was something he planned on doing. I am back to thinking they had a bet going on.

Yahahahahaha. This is so downright stupid that if ye'd ever actually read a scum QT of mine, I'd be firing all me cannons at yer ship right now.

I

never

plan things as scum. Ever. It goes against everything I believe about playing scum.

VOTE: ansuz

If yer so convinced Tammy is scum, then why the Ansuz vote?

this is a scumclaim.

ansuz is more dangerous. w/o ansuz she will crumble.

AND FUCK YOUR MEASLY LITTLE PATHETIC PIRATE CREW I AM GONNA BUILD ME AN ARMY OF GORGEOUS AMAZONS AND THE BEAUTIFUL MEN THAT THEY LOVE

I don't see how this is a scumclaim. I wouldn't say I /never/ plan things as scum but it's pretty close and only slightly more common than me planning things as town. I pretty much shoot from the hip all the time so it's not hard for me to imagine someone else doing the same. I guess what you're saying is that he's trying to prevent you from using logic against him in the future, and you do give scum more credit in terms of their plannyness (ie the tinfoil post) than most, so perhaps that's what you're thinking here.

Like even ignoring the horrible read on me, she still has Tammy as scum even though she's suggesting I'm scum who tried to quickhammer. What the fuck is that? Do you think that's a genuine town thought process?

Mollie, does this really look like a scum player to you?

I don't see anything particularly town about this =/

Can we just flashwagon Squirrel? I want all the towncred when she flips scum.

*ahem*

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

also bert no longer has a body, he has moved inside my head. bert yesterday was saying in skype literally what I was typing it was weird.

So, Rancid is right and was able to notice that some things you were saying were not fully the truth, and he suspects you because of this, and in return you think he is scum for having good instincts and noticing something that certainly looked like a lie?

I don't get it.

Also, while we're at it, why do you think you read me well? Up until yesterday you thought I had claimed to be Sakura and were reading me with the idea I was a player who I wasn't, so how does that translate into you having an ability to read me? This feels fake.

Are you ready for some hilarious irony?

This post feels fake.

I dislike your requoting old posts and complaining about not being present. Scum Sven sort of did this same thing in Anything Goes mafia and you are appearing like you are engaged without really doing much.

I also disliked the way you phrased your question to me just now instead of simply asking for an unbiased answer by asking "Why do you dislike me?"

Your push on Bazinga feels like you are following Rancy's ship and letting his crew do all the navigating because your compass and spyglass are broken.

Honestly, I have read this Squirrel Girl post like 4 times. Trying to figure out why you think it looks fake. I read your post too. And it just doesn't add up to fakeness for me. I don't even see anything you could possibly think was fake. I think you just liked the sound of calling a post about fakeness fake.

My vote is staying for a good long time.

then you are being stubborn you are not working with anybody and this is what i have come to hate about mafia

anybody who has town read on nacho

let me ask you

do you want to trust the judgment of some1 who has nailed nacho when he was scum

nearly every single time

and only mislynched him once in over 60 games or do you want to listen to your own judgment when I bet you have been deluded by nacho.

COME TO ME MY CHILDREN I WILL SET YOU FREE

Wow, this really does sound pretty great.

(Someone hurry up and accuse our hydra dissonance wrt Nacho of being a scumteam tell).

This is the first of many posts in which you look like the cheekiest scumfuck that ever cheeked a scumfuck. And in small doses that could be cute but you just. keep. fucking. doing it. different heads too. like every other post you make from here to present iirc, is a sarcastic oh here's what you think i'm doing if i'm scum written from a scum viewpoint

it might be too much

On to page 46.

~

Bulba

Quayle

(Yes I know I've made that joke before, shut up)

[The Clubhouse]

Where the hell are the plankwalkers anyhow. They should get in here and claim something. Actually can we just lynch them without a claim?

Cheeky

If you vote for Ansuz, I promise not to trollhammer them.

Cheeky

Then again, I suppose Rancid did sketch me out a couple times. I guess I'll figure it out later but consider me firmly pro-mollie for now.

~Quayle

CLUB

WE GOT THIS.

CAUGHT SCUM IS CAUGHT SCUM

DON'T DITHER FOR A SECOND OR YOU WILL GET CAUGHT UP IN A WHIRLPOOL OF DECPTION WOVEN BY THE REMAINING SCUMTEAM.

DO YOU HEAR ME

SCUM ARE ANSUZ PFR AND RANCID

RANCID IS MOST DEFINITELY SCUM

DON'T

DITHER

IT GIVES SCUM A CHANCE TO WIGGLE OUT OF THIS

BUT MOLLIE

DITHER IS MY MIDDLE NAME

DANIEL DITHER QUAYLE

However, you will probably at least get me to vote either PFR or Ansuz today (when I get to page 50 I think I will still want to lynch PFR given my initial cursory skim thing)

(Also, it is literally impossible to convince me of a 3 man scumteam without me seeing any of them flip. Literally impossible. If I ever say "I feel strongly that the scumteam is X Y and Z none of whom have flipped" lynch me on sight)

mala mara

listen to me. I think I know what is going on because I have been where both of you are at with both of you.

mara, you have a tendency to do something that I do which is sort your nearest and dearest first and I am not sure if you realise this it nearly always tends to be the womynz friendz. mala is town. I can nearly promise you that.

mala, I think what is going on with you is that you don't understand how your nearest and dearest don't see how you are obvtown so you tend to suspect them. mara is town I am bettin on it.

I have where both of you are I think that is why it easier for me to see what is going on. I think we are all town.

lets take down the pirates THEY ARE NOT ON OUR TEAM.

CAN I GET AN AMEN

Get. Out. Of. My. Head.

but, I don't agree with you RE Mala. I would be lying if I said she didn't act like this when you pushed our slot, but the main difference is that even when you were pushing us, she still thought you were town. it's a different reaction to my push on her, here.

I just don't know how a post can start with as strong an agreement as this one does and then jump straight into arguing.

Go ahead and spill the beans about what gave me away while you are at it.

Cheeky

ITs so frustrating when Mollie nails me, I dont get how she does it. If she would only explain I might actually beat her as scum.

Cheeky

Townreading Generically Purple is probably not solid play right now. I can try and back that up later since I know you are going to accuse me of blowing smoke around the thread and busting up the Girl Power alliance.

I might actually agree with this? I guess I am feeling pretty null about that slot right now, I mostly don't like them because their read on S&A bothers me but I'm realizing there are interpersonal relationships there I don't understand that are probably interfering.

[The Clubhouse]

I have great townreads on: Bazinga, M&M, and Siam and find other people townie as well.
You really don't look town at all.

I will never get all these M&M townreads or were they all from you? They seem like magic or something.

Sure. Since when does the amount of posts/pages dictate the amount of actual content is in this game? Over half of it is fluff

ansuz, bazinga, Squirrel, and athena are town

Trolls

and The cats are probably scum, with the third being somewhere in Clubhouse, Rancid, and that GIF Hydra

I was going to end my posting spree by snarkily asking Trolls why they are scum (omigosh guys I was planning something as town! it does happen!), but this will suffice. Cabd is not towning, and is not incredibly excited about a playerlist he should be drooling over. I think he's scum.

I've never played with Generic before and Im going to go ahead bust out my good old "meta is shit" in response to this. Wow that takes me back.

I'm not looking for anything in particular. They may not be scum, but I am not remotely confident about them being town right now.
I disliked Generic's response to my vote on him.
Their argument with Siam feels a bit like they are not actually trying to read Siam, but just throw meta around the thread.

SCUUUUUUUUUM POSTINNGGGGGG

I'm in your game, misleading your townies!

Im out of control!

wow such cheeky
so brave

In hindsight, it was probably a dumb idea to have all of us talk in pirate speak.

much cheek
doge impress
wow

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

@ Mollie

Could you explain a bit more how you know its Scum Nacho and not Town Nacho? I am not as sold on that as my other half, but will go on with it because I trust her. As for the whole thing with Mara, I can see why Mala thinks shes scum, I have seen Mara act like this both as scum and town however against me. The fact she is so bound and determined to read us as scum bothers me a lil though. She needs to get those confirmation glasses off and read us right iffen she is town.

~Am

This reaction basically rules.

hi confscum guyett!

If your town I'm super disappointed in you. You should know we're town yet you persist with tgis. If it continues just never sign up in a gam with me or ap or etl ever again ;_;




Unless youre scum of course then lol

"You should know we're town". Why? What have you done that is so town? I don't think you have done anything that merits this arrogance.

@ Mollie

Could you explain a bit more how you know its Scum Nacho and not Town Nacho? I am not as sold on that as my other half, but will go on with it because I trust her. As for the whole thing with Mara, I can see why Mala thinks shes scum, I have seen Mara act like this both as scum and town however against me. The fact she is so bound and determined to read us as scum bothers me a lil though. She needs to get those confirmation glasses off and read us right iffen she is town.

~Am

ansuz is scum my luv. no1 wants it to be true but it is. I explained it as best as I could.

pfr and rancid are their partners

plus they are pirates

we

are amazons

I'm not calling your playstyle shit here.... but I really am tbh... unapologetically

I'VE TRIED TO TALK TO YOU BUT YOU JUST WON'T LISTEN!!!
I'M GENUINELY PISSED OFF AS I REALLY VALUE THIS GAME AND YOU KEEP SHUTTING ME OUT WITH THIS AMAZON VS PIRATE NONSENSE ;_;

This change in tone is really sudden and does not go with the rest of your posts.

oh i forgot, bazinga is most likely town for scum hunting during the confirmation stage.

Mollie is virtually trust tell level of town atm.

If you believe in her this firmly, why are you such total shit at getting your hydra partners to come around?

The clubhouse might be town for feeling like hard boiled and not like asoiaf.

<3

I wish you felt more like town Tammy but I'll give you time. And it's not like I have nearly as much experience with you as a lot of these bros.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Quayle's read list (basically no synthesis whatsoever with other heads):

(each tier IS in order)

Town: bazinga; S&A

Kinda Town: Squirrel Girl; Yggdra (okay a little synthesis, I'm basically running with Stephen's read here); Athena/RBD (I guess...)

Hard to Read: Purple; Ansuz

Scummy: 165 Trolls; PFR

[Insufficient Data: M&M; SC]

VOTE: PFR

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

List of people I very much want to consult other heads on: Athena, RBD, Purple, Ansuz. This is your cue, other heads!

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I mean, I thought they should too. But those both were games where you obvtowned pretty hard (though it took me a while to come around in hardboiled; in asoiaf the only reason you lived so long was because the first few nights got us super paranoid about shooting high priority targets), and I /hope/ even you can see you're not obvtowning here? Even though you also don't really feel like scum.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle

(Dammit, apparently my name is "Danforth Dither Quayle", not "Daniel Dither Quayle")

Also no, it sounds like a bird.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I believe what Mollie says about how the pirate speak seemed premeditated and likely to come from scum in QT. It was executed to flawlessly and in sync.

Bert

Regardless of anyone's alignment I firmly believe this is incorrect.

QUOTE TAG FAIL

JOIN THE AMAZON ARMY

VOTE ANSUZ

On the one hand, I should trust my own reads on principle.

On the other hand, my reads are always shit, and I don't especially feel like Nacho is super town, and you are town and a better scumhunter than me.

Fine, let me just make sure I'm not hammer.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

I isod them too and it just makes me think they're scum more.

Let the record show this is not just a blatant sheep.

VOTE: Ansuz

I feel like an ass for being on the Athena wagon now.

~Quayle

P-edit: I am letting them claim on principle even though there isn't a claim in this setup that would make me back off... okay maybe that doesn't actually make sense.

[The Clubhouse]

Well, because now I feel like I was letting Nachoscum mess with my head.

Yes, the contradiction between my wanting to think for myself and always thinking I'm wrong is a struggle for me. Usually I just do my own thing and let myself be wrong, it feels better.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Well, because now I feel like I was letting Nachoscum mess with my head.

Yes, the contradiction between my wanting to think for myself and always thinking I'm wrong is a struggle for me.

Usually I just do my own thing and let myself be wrong, it feels better.

~Quayle

walk me through this

cos I guess I am the type of person who has no problem sheeping some1 if I think they are on to something and I will sheep their reads until some1 flips town

is it a pride thing?

Pretty much. If I sheeped when I didn't feel confident about my reads, I would sheep most of the time, and at that point what's the point of playing mafia. Also, my theory is that I'll get better by being wrong and figuring out why, though I don't know if that's holding up in practice.

Alright, catching up like this has worked before for me, so I'll try it again here. I am still 25 pages behind but I would like to cordially invite Odin to eat a dick. Mostly Desp. for his town tell comment. Well I hope that you start seeing them because for the most I don't even know what they are. The only tell that I can actually think of is a scum one from asofai that we've already talked about. So while I am catching up on the thread still I am going to start posting in present day as well. I might throw some post quotes out there if they look really bad, like most of what PFR is putting out, and I might just start asking questions, like Club could you please explain a little more of your impression of me from your experience?

In short, in asoiaf, you were a great big ball of rage/generally really unpleasant. Every time I directed anything at your hydra I could count on one or both of you getting really pissy with me. I don't know how much of that was real and how much of it was intentional distancing, but it happened.

~Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

most important skill a player can learn as town is to differentiate between town flail and scum flail.

People keep telling me this. But I still don't get it.

I have accidentally made slips giving away what was said on the scumboard, I think it is why I can spot it. the biggest tell is that rancid's and ansuz's convos looked like it was the continuation of an ongoing discussion. in legends of the hidden temple you can look at my earlier exchanges with ap and see how they were full of scumtitude cos we were exhibiting a familiarity with each other that was not evident in any prior games <---- scum day chat tell. I did it in legends and I think we majiffy and I both did it in reign of fire.

If it's just familiarity, Nacho is pretty damn familiar with Nati, I understand. But the ongoing discussion thing would make sense. I don't know if I see it, but it makes sense.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Well PFR, you sure did quote my question, but you missed the part where you answer it.

~VP Quayle

[The Clubhouse]

Mara, read the post you quoted again.

Also, being compromised does not necessarily mean they're town.
A) See 165 (lol irony)
B) they could have found out the identity of a PR for instance

~VP Quayle