Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Mhork and Mindy]

/confirm

[Mhork and Mindy]

/confirm other head

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

Oh this is gonna be one of those games.

Most of those pages were trash, so w/e, but a contradiction is a contradiction.

VOTE: bazinga

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

Well for one I wasn't expecting an 'everyone is a hydra game.'

Also

Mollie, gimme your hilarious P3 BROseidon read

leaning town he looks super comfy with you

I think I agree with this.

oh thank god

you are town

thoughts on ansuz?

VOTE: pfr

That thing.

[Mhork and Mindy]

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

I wasn't 'expecting' anything for this game. I got a PM from P_A saying 'yo wanna hydra for an open?' and I was all like 'sure.' and then the game popped up and it was all hydras.

Also what the fuck bazinga? How the fuck am I stupid?

[Mhork and Mindy]

I have no idea what I just read. There were a ton of pages of pirate speak and then something happened and Athena was scum but then stopped being scum and I just have no clue.

I don't know why this game is going as fast as it is, but it's kinda really hard to pick up 30 new pages in one sitting. I skimmed most of that stuff 'cause it didn't seem important.

It's far past, but why did you list me in the 'i didn't know these players were gonna play,' list, bazinga. Like I legit wanna know

Also can someone explain how one post of AtE makes bazinga obvtown

And who is Nacho hydraing with? Can we please use hydra names because I can't remember every single pair in here.

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mhork

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Well I'm obviously super biased, but I'm taking issue with the casual insults directed at my slot and I want to know what the issue is here.

[Mhork and Mindy]

Reading back a couple pages and forward through around page 20, this doesn't feel like scum-mollie. The level of emotional play lines up with town-mollie as opposed to defensive-scum-mollie. Unvoting pending a) consult with Mhork and b) locating the presumed non-fluff info past the umpteen pages of an impressive simulation of life on the Pirates of the Caribbean set.

UNVOTE: bazinga

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

#logic

pedit: lol Mala you thought that was town in Anything Goes? lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. Also I corrected Cabd on the penguin stuff.

Yeah it was Peng that was trying to make me change it. The only time in AGM that I had a scumread on Tammy was due to her not being obv town or something. I have to go search through Peng/Mine's QT to go get the exact reason. It was mostly a gut feel though.

~Si.

IIRC, you thought her emotion was genuine once MollaDoni tried to usurp Waffles. Any scum read was probably on Day One.

Ansuz, why the Athena Fury unvote? You and 165 Trolls both seemed to be quite convinced of the meta tell; did something change?

Leaving the vote in Mhork's hands as long as he doesn't put it back on bazinga because that's about as far as I trust my reads so far.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

bazinga-mollie, I'm inclined to consider the Athena Fury read worth pursuing, if only based on the number of people buying into it. If absolutely nothing else, it would give us a heck of a lot of information to work with.

What I'm not sure about is why you're seeing scum-Nacho-Ansuz by association. I follow what you're saying about things dovetailing oh-so-neatly into a Nacho-busses-Tammy scenario, but my problem is that this doesn't feel like scum-Nacho so far. I'll concede that you have way more experience reading him, but he seemed way more involved here than he's been as scum. Not waiting to see where the other players are moving to push wagons from behind. You said you might even make a case--something more that associative tells with unflipped players would be appreciated.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Too emotionally drained from rambling elsewhere for this game. Later.......

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

Sorry that there's not more posting happening. Anyone who's played with me before knows that I have a hard time posting a lot in larger games that move this fast.

It sounds really lazy, but can someone link me to why Ansuz is so scum? Is it that talk like a pirate thing?

On that note, I don't understand how uniting like that is a scummy thing to do. Like, why would scum link up like that?

~Mhork

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Paranoia Filled Rampage, can you explain the Generically Purple scum read more? Like, I looked over their ISO over the Night and, while it was mostly just filler fluff, I didn't see a lot of outright scummy stuff

~Mhork

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Also I want to talk to peng, please.

Anything in particular?

There was at least one scum on that wagon which means:

PfR or Anthea.

I would like for you to tell me how I would, as scum, go after Nacho the way I did.

My impression was that Nacho went after Tammy first, which makes it less of an active choice on your part.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Hi. I'm not convinced that outing the faith healer is the best play right. Odds are that he'll be snap counter claimed or have to counterclaim a scum either way. I think that we'd best lynch now and claim later. I also think we shouldn't discuss the issue too much more because it helps scum narrow their pool.

As for my thoughts on the game, it's a clusterfuck. Other than that, I like PFR. Hammer aside, the aggression towards bazinga reads super obviously town to me. Especially the whole 'don't /in games with me.' I don't see scum saying that, especially when it's because that player has awful reads and is a distraction to the town. Also I like Athena. Far less strong than PFR, but the crying/emotion/etc looks a lot like town really frustrated that her play is awful this game. I feel like scum would prolly be less openly insane about how emotional a game is making them.

Rancid is, like, eh. I haven't really been reading all that many of his posts because pirate talk is stupid, but what I understand looks to come from a townie place. Like, I think he's dead wrong about Athena, but for the right reasons. Also I think the 'sure mass claim,' while mostly null, leans barely in town range in this spot. And there you have my town reads.

I also have way more nulls than should be reasonable. I'm not convinced Yggdra is still here. I don't actually remember a single thing Squirrel Girl has said. I didn't even know that Stuffed Crust was a player.

Si and Am are also lurkery, and I'm putting then in null/scum territory because ~Rach is lurkerscum~

So I'm gonna digest that Generic thing with P_A. For now though

VOTE: Genericly Purple

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

If this is scum-Rach, she's playing a completely different scum game than I've ever seen her play solo or in hydra. She's not a high volume poster, but she's working to contribute content here when she does post, and she's engaging in the thread.

Only seen scum-Mala in hydra form, but this doesn't feel like her recent scum hydra games either; too comfortable. I'd like her to follow up on her wanting to talk to me, but I'll trust that that will come without my having to go all paranoid on her.

I see you are now going to use hydra different thinking to mask the inconsistencies. This should be fun.

So every time one of you contradicts the other you are gonna try and sell me that?

Are mara and I the only team that bother to discuss our opinions before we bring a united hydra opinion to the public posting?

How dissonant relative to some of the other hydras do you really think Mala-Rach are? Descending to the point of griping about hydra style looks rather fluffy.

Mala, is this scum-Tammy? I'm getting a better vibe than D1, but it's also less noisy overall.

As far as the remaining Faith Healer claiming (which is what mass claim comes down to) I think we need the discussion time for the early part of today at least, given that we've lost a day/night phase's worth of leeway to modkills. I also think that the Faith Healer should be the one to decide about claiming--if they think they're being town-read enough in the latter part of the day phase to win out against any potential counterclaims if we end up at LyLo, they should stay quiet; if they think they look scummy, then they should claim to give us time to deal with it.

I'm willing to see where the Generically Purple wagon goes, but I'm not convinced myself. Mhork feels differently though.

RBD reads town, as does Squirrel Girl, although I'd like to see more from the former.

OK so the FH stops the kill... we're in MYLO. What next?
Mass claim is optimal play here... we get a conf town for today and increase our odd of hitting scum
~G

Why do you talk like we have no chance of lynching scum today?

Athenas Fury, what are your reads having caught up?

[Mhork and Mindy]

Argh, sorry ^ was PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

A few things:

1. Discuss Mara/Gen Hydra.

2. Discuss your read on Paranoid Fueled Rampage

3. Discuss the nacho/mollie Day 1.

4. Discuss why you were so absent on Day 1.

Sorry Mala, missed this before.

1. I don't get why they were going after you and Rach so strongly. You're playing very differently than you were the last two scum-hydras I've seen from you (which is my only scum experience with you) and Rach is so far from her scum style. Having said that, they feel sincere. I don't think that as scum in this situation they'd 1v1 you as scum if you're town--it doesn't make sense.

2. Scum-Guyett's wacky enough to have hammered Ansuz in the way he did. In my experience he takes chances as scum (IIRC he claimed lyncher in some Great Idea variant?) It's why I was so hesitant to follow up on my Nacho read over him in your X-Men game, just because he might have been willing to throw caution to the wind and consume his fakeclaim on a VT claim unprompted D1. I do think that still holds here. Hammering someone without a claim to supposedly prove a point is so far past reasonable town behavior, I have the nagging feeling they might be banking on us wussing out.

They basically said, "we're lynching town, and you don't get to blame us for the hammer vote." Which is awful.

3. Hated the Nacho push. Didn't feel like I was getting anywhere in trying to get mollie to elaborate, but I remember thinking that scum-Nacho was more likely to push a wagon from behind than be involved in leading a charge as he did with Athena. I think the whole thing arose from a certain level of this game feeling like a reunion atmosphere and people being eager to prove they knew one another oh-so-well.

4. I was feeling pretty shitty about myself for most of Day One for Mafia and IRL reasons. Not a good reason for being so UTR D1 here, but it's just the way it is. Compounded by my being lousy at getting a handle on games early on, especially when I don't have a scum agenda to push.

Ansuz wagon:

Ansuz

(7) - Stuffed Crust,

bazinga

,

Si And Am

, Squirrel Girl, Athenas Fury,

The Clubhouse

, Paranoia Fueled Rampage

I tend to think scum took advantage of this wagon in some way. Stuffed Crust had the early vote that it didn't take much effort to maintain, given bazinga's wild push. Then the three non-flipped late joiners of SG, Athena, PFR. Athena's looking better today, but knowing that Nacho's read on Tammy was likely at least sincere gives me qualms. PFR is overall too experienced to be milking the 'too scummy to be scum' vibe. SG wagoning to wagon isn't good, although given how the day was going down I kind of get the 'let's lynch one of {bazinga, Ansuz} just to make it stop' thing.

Leaving out WIFOM on the hammer, I'd rank the wagoneers from S --> T as: PFR, Athena, SC, SG

UNVOTE: Generically Purple

Need to synch up with Mhork.

--PA

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Ugh I'm sorry I'm still trying to hit PA at the sake time to sync reads though.

But I really don't buy Athena scum for those reason, RPD. Her emotions make sense from a townie point of view.

Athena, can you please just give us something? Your vague reads? Anything to prove you're actually playing that game.

[Mhork and Mindy]

GP, can you explain to me how I'm less involved in this game? I'd love to hear it. Unfortunately there was a lot of noise Day One and mass noise makes me apathetic. However PA and I are getting our shit together and conferring. You can expect a nice reads post either later tonight or tomorrow.

#Mhork

PEDIT:
Yo, RBD. While I have you, wanna explain that solid town read on Yggdra?

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GP, what do you know about my meta? What is 'town mhork' supposed to look like?

Anyway PA and I get to talking and she came in full force talking about how she really thinks that PFR is solidly scum. She wrote me up a nice big case and after arguing for a bit, I have to say that I get where she's coming from.

First of all she comments on their shitty hammer. A) There's not confusion about who hammered. It was guyett. They already said that. B) She says that town would be more concerned after doing something like that. She thinks that after your antics got the best town PR derp lynched, a person would tend to cool down and try to contribute more and make up for it. She says town would try to maximize scumhunting and prove their worth. While I think that's a little idealistic, she raises a good point. Town should care more than they are.

Then she gave a little more meat to her argument. She did not like the entry from PFR coming in here. She didn't like the throwaway reference to the modkills, the scum team that popped up with no reasoning (SG, Athena, and GP), or the fact that they just voted the easiest target. Also they immediately followed with trying to get a mass claim, a phrase which here means 'out the last PR.' Town might naturally be worried about losing the PR, but it's silly to act like we're just going to random speedlynch someone, especially after all these flips.

I felt like the tow claim thing could easily just be town accidentally being stupid with a suboptimal move, but PA thought that they're all way too good of players to make a dumb move like that. She thinks it was really scummy and like they were preying on the town. In addition she hates how much they had to be prodded to do anything useful, and how they're trying to blame GP for the nacho lynch.

Also 1438 is shitty. Saying that Athena needs death for questioning the hammer is bad since I don't even know why that lolhammer happened.

Also, one of the bigger points, they had 260 posts yesterday. Today? 15 or so. Where did they go? They've just faded off the radar, especially now that RBD has decided to step up and start spearheading things. It's sketch.

So with that, I'm comfortable
VOTE: PFR

I'm tired. I'll try to do more tonight, but I plan on going to bed early tonight.

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

So mastin2/future mastin2-hydra, in discussing reads with Mhork last night it turns out you're replacing into my only completely null read. Change that sooner rather than later, since about the only thing I agree with PFR on right now is that we are within a mislynch of XyLo. More specifically, I'd like your take on PFR, Athenas Fury, Stuffed Crust, and Squirrel Girl in descending order of priority. I mean, I could just wait and see if you try to mislynch me, but your reads on those players would be more generally useful.

As far as PFR goes, I do agree that a faith healer claim

may

be optimal today. What I don't like is the emphasis they're putting on it. Presumably the faith healer knows what kind of position they're in as far as overall perception is concerned.

You say your hydra posted cases on {SG, Athena, GP}. You spent a lot of time questioning the town-SG reads of others without presenting a scum case, you blame Athena for not liking your hammer, and we had to pry your GP case out of you. None of this adds up to the aggressive town play I'd expect from your hydra members.

The throwaway modkill references were in 1385 and 1420. Both of them bugged me on a low level, with the former reading as a reach for town cred.

RBD, what are you seeing in SC? I don't disagree per se, just that they're not currently my top scum read.

--PA

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The throwaway modkill references were in 1385 and 1420. Both of them bugged me on a low level, with the former reading as a reach for town cred.


--PA

Didn't seem to bother you hydra partner here..

As for my thoughts on the game, it's a clusterfuck. Other than that,

I like PFR.

Hammer aside, the aggression towards bazinga reads super obviously town to me. Especially the whole 'don't /in games with me.' I don't see scum saying that, especially when it's because that player has awful reads and is a distraction to the town.
~Mhork

This post came after the apparent throw away remarks.

Did Yggdra's posts in 1455 and 1456 do anything for you?

We're a hydra; we share a QT not a brain and as such are allowed to have different opinions.

I didn't particularly like those YU posts either, but then they also hadn't helped screw us over D1 the way your hydra did.

When I was catching up on this game Yggdra didn't seem town to me for many reasons. I'm hoping Mastin sheds some light on me whichever way in determining his alignment.

I'm hoping to get back into this game sooner than later. The meet was hella fun and I got to meet AP and randomly drunk talk to him (<3).

I was talking to Rach. I think we have come to an agreement on another town read. I was hoping I could get PA to talk to me a bit more w/o me having to engage her first so I could figure out her alignment because she's still in the unsure pile because I'm not really seeing Mhork act to the micro we recently played together and PA and I have history together in terms of games/hydras, but I'm not really seeing town PA, but then I'm not seeing scum-PA either?

so yeah Mastin post more soonish please!

Mod: when is the deadline ?

1536 happened, I got nothing. I stand by my town lean on you two, but it would be nice if that could be a jumping off point to figuring stuff out.

Damn, they said no. Guess I'll have to tackle this game by myself. (Hope you guys don't take offense at this game not being my top priority at the moment, though. With luck, I can get around to it later tonight, but I do have other obligations.)

So mastin2/future mastin2-hydra, in discussing reads with Mhork last night it turns out you're replacing into my only completely null read. Change that sooner rather than later, since about the only thing I agree with PFR on right now is that we are within a mislynch of XyLo. More specifically, I'd like your take on PFR, Athenas Fury, Stuffed Crust, and Squirrel Girl in descending order of priority. I mean, I could just wait and see if you try to mislynch me, but your reads on those players would be more generally useful.

Do explain why the hell I'm replacing into a null read. I'm guessing there was almost certainly content, so it's not null-off-of-nothing; it'd have to be null-off-of-ambivalence. So elaborate. (I've got nothing on anyone, though; I need to begin a readthrough. This game doesn't seem like the type where I can learn everything by looking at the last and/or first five pages; it seems like the type of game where I basically need to look at everything.)

As far as PFR goes, I do agree that a faith healer claim

may

be optimal today. What I don't like is the emphasis they're putting on it. Presumably the faith healer knows what kind of position they're in as far as overall perception is concerned.

No. The faith healer should only claim today if they are in danger of being lynched. Or threat of being lynched if the game comes to lylo.

When I was catching up on this game Yggdra didn't seem town to me for many reasons. I'm hoping Mastin sheds some light on me whichever way in determining his alignment.

Same for you. Why the hell don't you have a stronger read?

/I'll keep reading new posts as I see them, but don't expect insightful comments on newer posts that rely on older content. Which will, y'know. Basically be all of them. Content as mentioned later.

Mastin, why do you assume your predecessor provided content? And why are you acting like you disagree with my assessment of the utility of a faith healer claim when you're repeating the exact points I made? Which, incidentally, Stuffed Crust's claim fell under what I'd consider to be a good idea.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mala, I'm aware that I replied to your questions while you were away. You're back now, so...?

My town meta read on Rach is actually stronger than anything I have on you. Based on playing scum with you, I'm leaning toward this being your town game instead.

Rach, do you think PFR/Guyett actually thought they were self-hammering?

SG, what did you expect to happen?

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mhork's been snowed under with IRL stuff, so y'all get to deal with me...

I don't really think ETL would stoop to such a low level and use AtE the way she did as scum

I don't know about it being a low level, but I've seen ETL inject AtE into her scum game. My first game with her was Micro 250 where she played up her negative emotions about the set-up and at least put on emotion. (same game has scum-Guyett being...erratic)

After he self voted, he posted the image and said enjoy LYLO tomorrow, so that did seem like he might have been trying to self hammer.

I wasn't self hammering.. there's a fucking VC on this page!!!

So keeping in mind that there is absolutely no way PFR thought they were self-hammering, what's your current read on them? (to Mala and Rach both)

Mala (I assume) what do you have to lean toward SG-scum? I know I don't read her all that well based on Medical Mafia, and I don't have anything more than a very weak gut read that something's off. Mhork was trying to explain what he saw before life interrupted, but we didn't reach any useful conclusions.

Athena, you say you're not sure about RBD--pirate speak aside, I'm getting a good town vibe. What's keeping him out of a town pile for you?

Point A being likely could also be a means of someone who is strong, but no one knows is strong, pulling off a plan that takes advantage of everyone here knowing everyone and just sitting back and watching the show. Squirrel fits this bill perfectly, and considering the points I had when town reading her are no longer viable, and that town read has gone stale I will say this

the only person I have as near conf. town right now, everyone else is a scum candidate.

with all this in mind, Squirrel is likely to be scum, and maybe RBD. I don't think he was self-hammering, there is a VC here on this page, he is able to see it himself, and he is able to see that he is no where near L-1. I do not like how the mastin wagon is growing, and is quietly getting backed up. I also do not like Mala's vote on him

I think the scumteam is

SG (PFR, Mala/rach, M&M, RBD) at this point in time. I have thought this over, and I don't think mastin is scum, but is getting pushed by scum which would mean M&M is likely, and Mala/rach is less likely

I'm really not following your logic here. Part of it is that I think something's missing from the bolded section of the quote to indicate who the near conf-town is to you. But I'm also not tracking your argument on SG at all from the rest of your post. You mention her as a possible NK option if town, and then nothing until she's your strongest scum read.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Generic, I hope your niece recovers as well as is possible.

Okay I'm confused. I thought the medical mafia was being discussed for squirrel girl, but I don't see her in that game. Who is it being referenced for then?

This Medical Mafia

Vote count as far as I can tell:

Athenas Fury (1): Stuffed Crust
Rancid Broderick Drake (0):
Paranoia Fueled Rampage (1): Mhork and Mindy
Mhork and Mindy (0):
Stuffed Crust (0):
Squirrel Girl (2): Generically Purple, Si and Am
mastin2 (1): Squirrel Girl
Generically Purple (1): Paranoia Fueled Rampage
Si and Am (1): mastin2
mastin2 (0)

Not Voting (2): Rancid Broderick Drake, Athenas Fury

I'll compromise somewhere that isn't {Stuffed Crust, Si and Am, RBD, us} on account of no-lynching today almost certainly putting us in MyLo with no additional information, but I'd like to hear more from anyone town-reading PFR. Voting preferences for this head from best to worse would be {PFR, Athenas Fury, Squirrel Girl, Generically Purple, mastin2}

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

OK, I'm not sure I'm going to be awake in time to hammer tomorrow morning, and we can't afford a no-lynch today. This isn't ideal but Mhork and I were discussing the scummy vibes he was getting from her awhile back and the more I look at her play, the more I'm willing to listen. There's a real sense she's encouraging our overall apathy here, and this isn't the town-SG I remember in Mini 1527. She was engaged throughout that game, and her level of engagement picked up the more information came to light.

She's posted since Stuffed Crust's claim, so I see no reason to ask for any claims.

VOTE: Squirrel Girl

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mastin, you're so wrong on that. Athena is obviously town. As am I. PFR is scum. Frankly I still have no idea how he evaded that lynch yesterday.

Also

@Mod: Typically you shoot people a PM when morning happens. js.

VOTE: PFR

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

Hah. I'm opportunistic scum? I wanted you dead yesterday but for some reason that didn't happen. Literally nothing has changed. Yesterday you side stepped my arguments without addressing them and essentially lied about what you said in the past.

So I'm very much not worried about a quick hammer. You're scum. Plus I've never seen a coordinated quick hammer. If one starts to happen, I can just remove my vote. Three people cannot coordinate that well. It's not possible.

Wanna address my case from yesterday? Or are you just gonna kick and scream?

[Mhork and Mindy]

Bush lied people died? What the hell does that even mean?

Your slot was here. Your slot lied. It's just as much your responsibility. Where did say caps lock was scum?

And it's not a 'technically suspected.' I posted a case. I wanted you dead. Don't try try to push a shitty opportunistic claim on me when everything /I/ do makes perfect sense in the context you care so much about. Day Two wasn't that long. I have an ISO. You have an ISO. Read that stuff. You can't just hand waves your slots scumminess because 'lol wasn't here.'

[Mhork and Mindy]

I'm not going to bullied out of another scum lynch. That keeps happening. Not this time.

~Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

Generic you replaced out. Go away. Athena, please stop fighting.

PFR, since when is pointing out logical progression scummy? If anything, it's a personality tell.

And sorry! I forgot that if you say 'I am bleedingly obvtown just look at me!' enough, it becomes true. Seriously. And as for 'my other heads couldn't have lied because we're town,' that's just shitty. They did lie. It happened. Not only that, but they brushed over the fact. Why would town do that?

If you're actually so sorry about dropping the ball, go back and respond to the case. It's still there. It still holds. You're still scum.

~Mhork

PEDIT:

@Mod: If generic posts here again, I ask that listmods be called. He's not a part of this game anymore.

[Mhork and Mindy]

Wait what the hell? You're making Athena the bad guy here? Last I checked, you're not allowed to post in games you're not alive in. Why is generic not being scolded/yelled at/threatened?

PEDIT:
Athena is very town. If either of them are scum, it's generic. His 'outrage' reads fake to me as well.

[Mhork and Mindy]

That doesn't excuse saying that to Athena. She's allowed to say what she wants. Generic can be a big boy and not read the thread. Athena is the one alive and playing here

[Mhork and Mindy]

~All still Mhork

[Mhork and Mindy]

Oh and PFR I'd show my case, but I'm at work on my phone. If you don't wanna take the effort to dig it up yourself, you'll have to wait.

PEDIT:
Good plan. And there's no way that scum can make a coordinated three man quick hammer here if you're town. I'm keeping an eye on this game.

[Mhork and Mindy]

But there was lying. It happened. You can't hand wave my slot for calling it out. That's shitty play and also rude and anti town.

PEDIT:
How the fuck is PFR town, Mastin? Did your playing really get that bad?

[Mhork and Mindy]

What is scummy about me? What is scummy about athena? What is scummy about RBD? You literally called the three townie at players scum. Good job Mastin.

FUCK

THERES NO FUCKING LYING

YOUR SLOT LIED. YOURE BEING AN ASININE PRICK ABOUT IT

JUST BECAUSE YOU QUIT THE GAME FOR A DAY DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOUR OTHER HWADS WENT AND WERE SCUMMY. YOU CANT HANDWAVE THAT.

Mastin, how the fuck am I confscum

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mastin I really want to know how you got any sort of a reputation for good play. I've only ever seen you play really poorly and really arrogantly.

[Mhork and Mindy]

Wait fuck. I'm bashing my head the wrong way. Scum has to be GP, PFR, Mastin. There's no other options. No wonder they're uniting

HOW PFR? USE YOUR FUCKING WORDS AND EXPLAIN! YOU CANT JUST SAY SCUMPOSTING AND MOVE OK. IT DOSANT WORK THAT WAY.

Your slot lied. Your slot was scummy. Your play has been nothing but shit and anti town. You're scum. You've been scum forever. You should have been lynched yesterday. You're getting lynched today.

[Mhork and Mindy]

PFR. Read. My. Fucking. Posts. Seriously. I'm not spoon feeding you anymore. This is pathetic. YOu all are supposed to be good players but this is nothing but shit

[Mhork and Mindy]

Or you could, ya know, address the contradiction instead of brushing it aside like the asinine scumfuck you are. Oh wait no. That would be protown play.

And then you unvoted GP. SHOCKING. It's almost like you were soft bussing until you found a mislynch that could go over better.

[Mhork and Mindy]

THEN LOOK AT MY FUCKING ISO

WORK

PHONE

CANT LINK

DEAL WITH IT. TAKE SOME FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE GAME.

[Mhork and Mindy]

I'm saying unvote tags are a hell of a lot easier than trying to read all my posts on my phone.

My god. Are you this shitty and arrogant when you're town too? Or is this just what your flail looks like?

[Mhork and Mindy]

Please don't talk about that shitty clusterfuck of a bad game.

Oh and now you're trying to paint the night kills to incriminate me? That's awesome. The two night kills have been PR hits, genius. Now you're just embarrassing yourself

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You haven't been bleeding town. You've been bitching me out and OMGUSing while you and Mastin make hot sweaty buddy love over setting me up for the mislynch. All your posts are full of flail. Scum flail.

It is sketch. Now you're making excuses. GJ.

[Mhork and Mindy]

Cool. My work hasn't ended in the half hour you've been bitching. I still can't show you. Sorry. You could always try harder. Maybe actually look. That might too protown to do though.

[Mhork and Mindy]

No I assert you are scum for several reasons. You are more scum on top of that for having lied and not addressing that.

Like I said, it's not hard to duck in with an unvote. Anyway you're obviously scum, so there isn't an incoming hammer. Obviously.

As for your being cooperative? HAH. I'd have to see what you look like when you aren't trying to cooperate.

And like scum would never lie about not finding someone. SUre. I should take all your statements on face value. That's smart. And please don't call me retarded.

PEDIT:
Mastin you are a terrible player and should feel bad. If you are town, please never ever ever replace into another game with me. I came here to help out PA. I did not come to deal with your shit.

[Mhork and Mindy]

What are even asking PFR?

[Mhork and Mindy]

What makes you sick. I've played with Mastin twice already and despised both games. In one he belittled the town win as being the fault of PRs and not of our scum and town hunting. In the other he ditched our hydra after first fucking me over and refusing to just let me take over since he clearly wasn't playing.i don't honestly know where his reputation comes from, and it pisses me off that he's considered to be so good.

PEDIT:
Flail harder, pal. I'm tired of interacting with you and scumastin

[Mhork and Mindy]

It was about y'all not commenting on the modkills. Town has no reason to lie about something like that. It's also not the cornerstone of the case on any count. There's a case. It's been posted. You can find it and comment on it. I'm not retting it just cause you guys stopped playing yesterday

PEDIT:
You're intolerable.

[Mhork and Mindy]

I'm not fucking up anything. You're scum. I know this. You're just trying to bully me out of it. I'm NOT getting bullied this game. I found scum. I'm sticking to it

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mastin you still haven't explained shit. You're just riding on your scum buddy's cost tails and trying to look protown.

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And Mastin your play is just shitty in general. I seriously considered replacing out when I saw your name but A) replacements ruin games and B) that'd be shitty to do to PA.

Hydra partners shouldn't just randomly walk out of games. That's a shitty thing to do b

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Mastin you're so awful. How am I scum. You haven't said shit. You're just jumping on top with PFR. You're either just being shitty town or obv scum. How are we scum? How? Prove it. Fucking say something.

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We posted a case and everything. And you just brushed it aside. What else am I supposed to do?

This just proves all my points. Replacements ruin games. Big personalities lead to shitty games. Deadline lynches always suck. If someone escapes the rope once, they might as well be lynch proof.

What am I supposed to do to get scum lynched? How can I do any more than I am now?

[Mhork and Mindy]

But I'm not scum. I'm town. I'm trying to get the scum lynched but no one is listening

[Mhork and Mindy]

You are so transparently scum Mastin I don't actually know what to do. Buddy harder. Then the two of you can pick up a townie on my wagon and Mara can hammer like I know she's skuljing, waiting to do. This game was a town loss from day one

Fuck

[Mhork and Mindy]

Wait why are you doing the vote count?

[Mhork and Mindy]

OK, catching up here. First things first:

UNVOTE: PFR

Mhork's probably going to be annoyed at that, given his reaction to my compromising on Squirrel Girl yesterday, but we're at D3 LyLo and I'd rather not compound this comedy of errors if I'm wrong about y'all. And Mhork's pretty pissed in our QT anyways, so in for a penny, in for a pound.

I'd suggest you and mastin2 unvote if you're town sooner rather than later. And yes, that's me being as calm as possible about being put at L-2 out the gate only because Mhork did fly off the handle here in voting at all.

Trying to sort out some of what's gone down. AP, there was no lying from you about your hydra's comments about the modkills. What happened was in 1626 (I'm assuming) Guyett asked what I'd been referencing in terms of throwaway comments about the modkills. I pointed them out, and in 1644 he dismissed such concerns based on Mhork having town read your hydra for other reasons after that point before he and I had convo'd. There was dismissing it as anything I had a right to be concerned about just because Mhork had town read y'all once upon a time, which I'll admit annoys me on principle.

Yes, Guyett plays loose as town and scum. Heck, I can cite X-Men where he character-claimed prematurely and outed himself as a VT super-early to no good end as him being erratic as town. However. There he wasn't doing something that screwed town out of spite. I also don't like that he didn't bring this point up himself in the ample time he had to do so yesterday.

mastin, you're eroding any non-scum cred you had quickly here. I'm well aware that scum-you considers me easy mislynch bait, to the point where you have zero problem planning to set me up at your leisure in pre-game (see: Micro 264) and I know that you like to repeat plays (also see: Micro 264 and your OTP AtE) but you're being pretty ridiculous here if you're scum. If this is coming from town-you, I'd be more upset about you scum-reading me if you'd ever actually town-read me. How much of the game have you read? Do you actually expect anyone to believe that the players in PFR are so scared of town-you that they'd NK you in lieu of an unimpeded shot at the last town PR going into LyLo?

I reread D1 overnight, and what stood out to me was our general unwillingness to even attempt to work together. Everyone knows one another and yet did very little bridge-building.

Since we actually have time here, I'd like everyone to unvote (this means you too, Athenas Fury) and list their top two town reads, not including themselves. I don't care if hydras want to list them jointly or from each head, but mine are RBD and SiAm; Mhork would probably sub in Athenas Fury for SiAm.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

sorry was out for a pint or 2 with AP, home now

UNVOTE:

will reread.
still want to know what lying we were doing
~G

Mhork overreacted to your downplaying your comments on the modkills.

Convince me you were derp-hammering Ansuz for townie reasons.

Everyone knows one another and yet did very little bridge-building.

Since when were you a troll?

or, are you actually being serious?

because I actually

tried

my top two town reads should be obvious given how I reacted D2 to certain people as it opened, and what I tried to do

...I don't troll? Out of everyone playing, sure, you weren't freaking out, but given this:

Are you kidding me? I was keeping a good pace with the game, and even I don't want to go back to re-read D1. D1 was full of noise, and the only "scum hunting" there was Mollie pushing Nacho, and me trying to get her to ease off as well as, simultaneously getting a wagon on Mala/rach and even trying to compromise on you when I saw that it wasn't going to happen. everyone else was posting for the sake of posting

I'm very surprised to hear you disagree with my characterization of D1.

Off of 1448 I'm going to assume your town reads are PFR and Athenas Fury.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

I could but to be quite frank I think you've made your mind on us.

...I really haven't. Mhork's cooling off right now, which means y'all get to deal with me, and if there's one thing I'm good at, it's being indecisive.

The scum game I'm thinking of where you were reckless was Micro 250, the Great Idea game. Looking at your game list, I remember now that you were scum in Open 525, but after dying early and watching all the clusterfuckness, I don't think I was paying enough attention to have a good sense of your scum game. You replaced in late; how would you characterize your scum play there?

RBD, can I get your top two town reads?

mastin, you say this isn't town-Mala or town-Rach. I strongly disagree, especially on Rach. Can you be more specific?

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Si and Am, top town reads are Mara and RBD then?

mastin, Mala's being indecisive and fading out, but she does that in hydras when things get to LyLo and she's town. She hates these decisions; you should remember that from Anything Goes, where she left the bulk of the posting to me there and chatted with me behind the scenes at 5p and 3p. Look at Rach's postings and tell me this is her scum game.

mastin, have you read the full game?

RBD, mastin's vagueness is making me think of her pushes in recent scum games. Whimsy-wise, to what extent would you expect there to be whimsy in her posts given her replacing in and us being in LyLo here? I don't associate her with whimsy per se, but the lack of specificity bugs.

I want to get a better sense of what Mhork's thinking, which should be soon, as he's wrapping midterms or something. Also waiting to hear from PFR more.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Whimsy-wise, to what extent would you expect there to be whimsy in her posts given her replacing in and us being in LyLo here?

It's not so much whimsy in mastin's posts, but in the responses to people. When mastin's town, there's a relaxed tone in the way he responds to people, which comes across even when he feels he's being unfairly suspected. It's not happening here. Instead there's a sort of unnaturally aggressive tone in his responses. If I stop being lazy, I'll bring up some examples of what I'm talking about specifically.

I know mastin2 can force AtE such that's it's OTT as scum, and I think the forcing thing lines up with what you're saying. I'd like to see what she says about Rach and how much she's read though before deciding. Last couple times mastin2's been scum, she's pushed my mislynch hard, planning it basically from the start, and seeing that happen in Micro 264 let me stop derping and make the right call. If she's scum here, she's given up on something that historically worked more than it failed, and given that said success stretches back like a year, it would surprise me.

Examples would be good, at your leisure. As long as your leisure's within a couple days, on account of deadline.

PFR, talk to me. Either head, at this point.

Rach, if *you* had to pick scum, what's your take at present?

Tammy, can I get your top two non-you town reads?

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

P_A I'd talk but I'm drunk and I really dont care anymore

Sober up and talk to me anyways. Votes are apparently mounting, and if I'm right about SiAm, the window is closing for us to salvage this.

I need to reread mastin's ISO pronto; I think RBD has some valid points, but I still rarely read mastin as whimsical. Possibly because she's usually attacking me...

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mastin, answer my question about Each too.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

...that would be Rach. Damn autocorrect.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

PFR, I don't know that scum-mastin would change her line on me though. I don't think both are scum, given game flow, but one is. Who are you thinking?

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Sorry, to elaborate, I don't think a scum team of mastin-mara would have Mara questioning mastin's town read on her.

If only one is scum, who is it?

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

Right, that's what I'm saying: Mara questioning mastin's read at LyLo isn't team-indicative.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

So AF, PFR, do you think they're actually on to something here and I'm just getting snowed by Mala-Rach?

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

PFR, because it's superfluous. Maybe once for show, but not repeatedly. It just backs them into a corner of conflict and makes others question that town read.

--PA

[Mhork and Mindy]

well they can question and then if conflict happens hammer mastin for town cred right?

Is that how scum-Mara would play? I haven't seen her as scum, but her town game seems more conservative.

[Mhork and Mindy]

Oh, right. I forgot about that. But she was only tripped up by Mollie's flub.

[Mhork and Mindy]

OK, but even in Clue, Mara didn't go crazy trying to dig out; she just kept repeating the info and saying we were wrong. SiAm, do you think Mara would stage a fight over being town read by a scum buddy at LyLo?

[Mhork and Mindy]

Mala, who would you vote for if it wasn't LyLo?

[Mhork and Mindy]

This is Mala, fish. But I don't know why she's not voting.

Wait, Tammy's scum reading Mala here then?

[Mhork and Mindy]

VOTE: Si and Am

[Mhork and Mindy]

mastin, me, Athenas Fury.

[Mhork and Mindy]

I don't want to comment here on the game as a whole until the flip and official end so I'm not making judgments when dead people can't post, but I agree that this game was quite fraught.