Mini 1541: The Heart of Artificial Reality (Game Over)

[Venmar]

Vote:OmNom

cause voting me is a bastard, heretic, condemned, unnatural, doomed, cursed, trademarked, hexed, sexual, demonic, necrotic, excommunicated, jealous, dysenteric and anti-police move that i do not approve.

[Venmar]

yay town cred!

[Venmar]

Venmar I completely forgot.

here's a card trick to help you remember who i am

[Venmar]

and omnom comes in and already gives orci a reason for #21, nice! nice! nice!

[Venmar]

idk about Kaze but I think I'm leaning more towards Orci being town bc of it

out of curiosity why are you defending/shielding orc this early when you could let this run its course and get a more confident read out his reactions?

[Venmar]

I've played with kaze enough to know his town rvs and his schedule.

weird, why wasn't he mentioned in the post below then?

I have kanye and om. Venmar I completely forgot.

[Venmar]

Are you going to do anything soon?

[Venmar]

because i was addressing kaze, genius ^^

sorry but from my pov that wasn't obvious ^^ buddy ol pal pal buddy

[Venmar]

really? it wasn't obvious that i wasn't addressing kaze from this post? the post where i pose a question to him and quote a post from him?

i'm saying it wasn't obvious he was part of your meta reads >.>

[Venmar]

so terribad and uberterribad are voting me? okay whatever

btw, i'm a hated townie so be careful with your shit

[Venmar]

lol btw i wasn't scumreading orci for nitpicking his meta stuff, and if uberterribad wants to call that content okay but i call it questioning orci in what i thought was an odd and possible slip from orc.

PEdit: fuck you, that's against my wincon

vote:kaze

[Venmar]

lol btw i wasn't scumreading orci for nitpicking his meta stuff, and if uberterribad wants to call that content okay but i call it questioning orci in what i thought was an odd and possible slip from orc.

PEdit: fuck you, that's against my wincon

vote:kaze

Hah. Nice vote. Let's see you push that wagon. Come on.

that was probably the worst thing you could have said, lol. your attitude dictates you're either scum or just an ignorant douche that tried to be clever with his vote but really now has nothing to back it up cause he realized he's uberterribad, so he resorts to taunting me. cute.

[Venmar]

doesn't my first post in the game make somekind of sense now?

[Venmar]

vote:kaze

i was jk

[Venmar]

unvote:kaze

is what i meant

[Venmar]

nah

[Venmar]

i was mainly just wanting to see how you two would react. you stayed for good reasons, orc jumped off pretty quickly to my surprise. in my eyes this makes kaze likely town despite the frustration i threw in his face. orc idk, but he seemed pretty eager to write me off as town and then started opening up options of policy lynching me.

[Venmar]

vote:venmar

[Venmar]

unvote:venmar

[Venmar]

i was going to commit for a second, but then realized the complications and changed my mind.

why would we vote for phok again?

[Venmar]

not really convinced by a phok vote right now to be honest, orc's case is hard to be convinced by cause he put points in it that he said himself doesn't make phok scummy, so idk why he puffed up the reasoning with fluff.

i'll be back with a vote in a bit

[Venmar]

i've been gambling my life as of recently as town, yes. I claimed PGO as a Town Cop in Xenogears as an example.

[Venmar]

I don't know if I should be impressed by a whole ISO comb over then? I still don't see why you would need to do a whole ISO commentary, and usually when people stride out to to make everything about a person scummy (or in someway try to), including me in a handful of games, their target actually ends up being town. This is just from experience, unless you would like to point me to some of your games where your ISO witch hunt is effective?

While not impressed by the prospect of a phok vote right now, it doesn't mean that I think he is town, quite the contrary as I have my own reservations on him that are separate to that of orcs, such as phok calling me Venny despite me not even knowing him. Bert did something similar once by cuddling up to me while being scum himself.

Right now, Orc and Kaze strike me as town, with a "maybe" on FakeGod.

@

OmNom

How much has your meta changes since we have last played together?

P.S I got tired of writing like Kanye, i.e in all lower case.

[Venmar]

OK so orcinus case. I'm not saying this is the strongest ever but orc was the first one to raise a red flag for me and a good place to start.

Why did you open up with doubt on your own case? That's not a good sign :/

Idk man I think just throw out ur meta tells bc I am a different person in general let alone in mafia since we last played oops.

Yeah I would assume so, though it is hard since my general idea of your town play still is your signature all caps / rage attitude, heheh. I hope your gut remains as good as you once boasted if you're town this game.

Going to go with a Phok vote, for (some) reasons that orc laid out, but mainly due to my own gut and suspicions.

Vote:Phok

[Venmar]

Your all caps rage died and i've become very tempered, times change...

[Venmar]

Coming in to say that the MTD wagon was either a really bad scum slip on MTD's part or a really opportunistic speedwagon by scum. Either way, I now have a slight leaning scumread on Kanye for that horrid jump onto MTD.

[Venmar]

Orcinus I do not understand you at all. Your play is deteriorating with every page. You abandon wagons like the fly, the most recent one for serious BS, and your reads shift with the game and onto those that doubt you. It's very suspicious.

FakeGod is town btw, bugger off.

[Venmar]

Kanye correct me if I am wrong but the below post is the only post I could find prior to your vote where you showed suspicion of MTD.

believe orc is scum. his reasoning for townreading venmar is really fuckin bad and i still like the early points i brought up against him.

honorary scum shoutout to mtd for avoiding the orc wagon pretty hard.note this is not an associative thing.

Here's the problem, your reasoning for MTD scum there was loosely based off of Orc's alignment. You say it's not associative but only scumMTD would avoid scumOrc wagon, scumMTD could easily jump onto townOrc wagon, townMTD could do the same in both situations of Orcs alignment. Therefore you seemed to call MTD scum if Orc is scum, because that's your belief, and if this is not the case then you're implying that orc is town in this scenario and that's even worse.

That said, you have been building suspicion on Orc this whole game, which I don't mind, but when a speed wagon presented itself on MTD you snatched the opportunity to vote for him, despite having much better reason to remain on Orc, especially since I think logically an orc flip would help you determine MTD's alignment, but you never seemed to account for this possibility. This is scummy.

L-1 flashwagons are fun

And yes, I agree with this wagon, 179 was some hard backtracking

Another cool reason to vote for Phok.

[Venmar]

Sure, Isee your point, but your Orc wagon wasn't exactly a quickwagon or speedwagon, it was rather slow in my opinion, so I feel like your point is mooted by this alone. Either way, I think scum can have just as much motivation to help speed lynch a wagon as avoiding it, and usually it comes down to what the alignment of the person being wagoned was to help determine the alignment of the culprit. I think you, despite not liking MTD's shadyness, would have more town motivation to stay on Orc than take a blind shot with MTD, who's alignment from your POV still should be easier to pinpoint with Orc dead :/

Either way, let's lynch Phok guys!

[Venmar]

I actually liked FG as town for this post:

nah

Unvote, Vote: Venmar

Please self-vote, then unvote to prove it.

Which strikes me as a town motivated action. He did something similar with MTG when asking him to claim, but I didn't see that as much as town as this, as all FG did with MTG was force him to claim and then jumped off.

[Venmar]

I'm thinking Phok is a policy lynch a this point in time

Or we could wait for a replacement and be productive in the meantime

I'm still waiting on why fakegod asked for the claim

Why do you think Phok is a policy lynch?

[Venmar]

because if he lurks at this rate, i am never going to be able to read him, so we might as well lynch him d1

But the votes on him aren't policy based?

[Venmar]

I don't think Phok lurking changes anything, lurking is not alignment indicative, and in these circumstances if anything it's somewhat of a scumtell since he would be avoiding his wagon. Don't forget that lurking apparently is a part of his meta.

The fact that you have championed his wagon at the beginning of the game (and a good part of it too), and are now almost dismissing it as a Policy Lynch for stuff that is part of his meta and circumstances that should make his lurking scummy, is what ticks me.

[Venmar]

Btw your vote is shit as far as I am concerned

[Venmar]

I don't think Phok lurking changes anything, lurking is not alignment indicative, and in these circumstances if anything it's somewhat of a scumtell since he would be avoiding his wagon. Don't forget that lurking apparently is a part of his meta.

The fact that you have championed his wagon at the beginning of the game (and a good part of it too), and are now almost dismissing it as a Policy Lynch for stuff that is part of his meta and circumstances that should make his lurking scummy, is what ticks me.

How am I dismissing it?

"Dismissing it as a Policy Lynch" is key here for those who seek to learn about grammar.

[Venmar]

Felt more like a day than 48 hours.

You poor thing. You're about to lose all credibility.

Implying he had any to begin with?

[Venmar]

fuck you venmar.

Lol i'm sorry but when you build a wagon on one of your scumreads for almost most of the day and then near the end just lazily call it a a policy wagon out of nowhere and dismiss it (which you did, as per your jump now), don't say i'm being unfair here lol.

I want someone with more meta knowledge with Orc than me, is this town play?

[Venmar]

sounds like you're the better player, should i sheep you oh lord savior?

[Venmar]

MTD is a pretty bad wagon, FakeGod might not be as town as I thought.. idk this game has slowed down quickly.

[Venmar]

MTD, please claim.

Why did you force MTD to claim when you didn't show intention of hammering him, didn't vote him, never expressed suspicion/discomfort with his actions, and never shown previous suspicion of MTD (or mentioned him for that matter) all game? You shouldn't have any

town

to do this in the manner you did.

[Venmar]

MTD, please claim.

Why did you force MTD to claim when you didn't show intention of hammering him, didn't vote him, never expressed suspicion/discomfort with his actions, and never shown previous suspicion of MTD (or mentioned him for that matter) all game? You shouldn't have any

town

motivation

to do this in the manner you did.

Brain derp, I missed a word in my post, the red is the word i missed.

[Venmar]

Well I always knew it, just finally decided that scumtell overpowered the towntell i had for him earlier in the game.

I still think your policy wagon thingy shenanigans were dumb, and I still kind of want a phok lynch rather than a FakeGod wagon.

[Venmar]

[Venmar]

Okay well someone just hammer Phok.

@FakeGod - ANSWER me.

[Venmar]

LMAO

Vote: OmoftheNom

[Venmar]

Okay no, I had a nice time during the night, OmNom is scum.

[Venmar]

Probably.

[Venmar]

@Venmar: I rather not explain.

and why this, at this time

[Venmar]

Me too, but the more you refuse to answer something this vital the scummier you look, so answer it.

[Venmar]

MTD, please claim.

Why did you force MTD to claim when you didn't show intention of hammering him, didn't vote him, never expressed suspicion/discomfort with his actions, and never shown previous suspicion of MTD (or mentioned him for that matter) all game? You shouldn't have any

town

to do this in the manner you did.

Well I wanted you to answer this post if it wasn't obvious, though I guess it wasn't in a way.

[Venmar]

right. i need sleep.

[Venmar]

Anyways, we need to lynch OmNom if there is nothing else to talk about.

[Venmar]

I never actually said what I did last night, but you guys shouln't care because it got you guys a scumlynch.

[Venmar]

Hold on, don't hammer yet, I wanna get home and post my reads before this day ends.

[Venmar]

Okay, i'm home.

My Reads:
Kaze - Probably Town
Fakegod - I like his response to the question, so i'm leaning town here as well.
Kanye - I still find him scummy for things I pointed out and seen last day. While I appreciate well natured paranoia myself, Kanye's paranoia here seems unnecessary and counter productive. Leaning Scum.
MTD - Still probably Town
OmNom - Confirmed Scum
Orcinus - I still have my reservations on him... half of me says he's town, the other half calls him out as scum for many reasons.

Basically, it comes down to me thinking Kanye or Orcinus being OmNoms buddy, but I don't know who right now, but those are my top two scumpicks right now I think. If both are misses on my part of reading, I think FakeGod/Kaze would be my go to "look overs".

Also, if scum try to kill me this night, they will be having a bad time >.>

NOW HAMMER BOYS!!!!

[Venmar]

orcinus you're not voting, do it yourself

[Venmar]

You guys are welcome for the two Mafia guilties, got a guilty on Kanye the night I died.

[Venmar]

I claimed Hated at the beginning of the game because I wanted to claim to be a role that scum would either not want to kill or want to keep around until later in the game, which let me coast the nights so I could catch scum in peace. I ended up forgetting this was a normal game and I almost screwed myself over, but luckily I turned it into a benefit and helped make myself town. Day 1, my scumreads were basically composed of Phok, Kanye, and a weaker suspicion of OmNom. I immediately started to suspect OmNom when he started answering questions for other people and became touchy around his playstyle, but I never had enough confidence to push him vocally since OmNom is hard to lynch and his "im too different" posts sounded somewhat genuine yet unsettling. Since he was suspect but still somewhat null, he made it to the top of my Investigate ASAP list.

That means Day 1 my scumreads were Phok and Kanye. At certain points in the day Orcinus slipped into them and he knows when that was, but I always tried to remind myself of his townieness earlier in the game and the fact his actions were predominantly scummy and rather just weird in my POV. Kanye basically gave himself away with his jump on MTD, I just happened to catch on to it when nobody else did. At the end of Day 1 I basically still thought Phok was the scummiest, but Kanye and OmNom were next on my list.

Good game guys, happy my reads before my death were followed up for once