Mini 1541: The Heart of Artificial Reality (Game Over)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if we can make this a quicklynch ill be pleased as canbe.

wot do u have against me

VOTE: kaze

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Vote: Orci

Litmus test.

ok but i have nothing to respond to so this is a pretty shitty test

just a suggestion: next time you want to pressure me, actually pressure me, don't do this kind of shit because it's useless as jack

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Vote:OmNom

cause voting me is a bastard, heretic, condemned, unnatural, doomed, cursed, trademarked, hexed, sexual, demonic, necrotic, excommunicated, jealous, dysenteric and anti-police move that i do not approve.

This man is town.

how much meta do you have on ven

[orcinus_theoriginal]

vote on kaze is now serious

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i liked your town rvs more

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What, you're mad I didn't jump on MTD? Because I was getting around to that.

MTD! Why'd you avoid the early votes on Orci? Why didn't you comment on them or kanye's 8?

See? I got dis.

Who do you have meta with in this playerlist

I have kanye and om. Venmar I completely forgot.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if we can make this a quicklynch ill be pleased as canbe.

wot do u have against me

VOTE: kaze

vote on kaze is now serious

what happened between these two posts to make your apparently rvs omgus vote become a serious vote?

Kaze's MIA

why do you take issue with kazes vote but not mine, when my vote is backed by an announcement that i wish to quicklynch you?

I do not take issue with his vote.

and why are you so concerned about meta not even 1 page into the game instead of, i dont know, scumhunting?

idk man im sure that's scummy

[orcinus_theoriginal]

id like to lynch orcinus and id like it if we could get some more votes on him or reasoning as to why you dont want to vote him ty 4 yioure cooperation : ]

Unfortunately you'll still need to give a reason why

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: phok

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Acting scummy in order to "get the game rolling"

So since this is just a flat-out lie and misrep of everything

1) this was not what i was trying to do
2) this is not why om is towning me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Acting scummy in order to "get the game rolling"

So since this is just a flat-out lie and misrep of everything

1) this was not what i was trying to do
2) this is not why om is towning me

1. How is saying your RVS vote is "now serious" out of nowhere not scummy/an attempt to get the game started?
2. Why is he then?

1 it was not of nowhere. I've played with kaze enough to know his town rvs and his schedule. He wasn't here when I expected him to be. Also I just assume that you don't know what a slash actually does, since your argument was scummy+ trying to get game started, and you used scummy or trying to get game started
2) for trying to get the game rolling, not for purposely acting scummy

[orcinus_theoriginal]

because i was addressing kaze, genius ^^

[orcinus_theoriginal]

1 it was not of nowhere. I've played with kaze enough to know his town rvs and his schedule. He wasn't here when I expected him to be. Also I just assume that you don't know what a slash actually does, since your argument was scummy+ trying to get game started, and you used scummy or trying to get game started
2) for trying to get the game rolling, not for purposely acting scummy

Why are you being so nitpicky with 1)? I don't understand the reason for pointing out the misuse of a slash, here. Is that relevant to the game?

Because the argument is that I was acting scummy to draw votes to start game, which just isn't true.

What? Because I didn't post for a few hours? That's why?

Also idk I'm used to seeing you a lot in thread when game starts

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What, you're mad I didn't jump on MTD? Because I was getting around to that.

MTD! Why'd you avoid the early votes on Orci? Why didn't you comment on them or kanye's 8?

See? I got dis.

Who do you have meta with in this playerlist

I have kanye and om. Venmar I completely forgot.

really? it wasn't obvious that i wasn't addressing kaze from this post? the post where i pose a question to him and quote a post from him?

I have two jobs now, man. I'm doing my best.

You really didn't address my other question, though. Why did you feel the need to point out the slash? Are you trying to make him look, say, unintelligent? And thus shouldn't be listened to? Because that's the feel I got.

idk why people always revert to this argument in my games

1. How is saying your RVS vote is "now serious" out of nowhere not scummy/an attempt to get the game started?

or vs and changes the meaning of a sentence, believe it or not. I am trying to get the game started. So when phok used a slash, I would respond "yes" to that sentence. But phok said that I was acting scummy TO get the game started, so if that were his question, then I would respond "no".

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But on a relevant note if you're trying to use "orci is calling people dumb" as alignment indicative you're barking up the wrong tree

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok

your vote is still on om. is that serious yet or do you just have nowhere better to put it

Pedit: you're just stupid

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: venmar

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why ven>phok, fwiw?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: phok

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: phok

why the switch

Don't like voting ven anymore

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah I think the claim looked good.

What did you feel about it

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Like, if I were hated, I'd have just claimed it at the start.

I sort of thought this. i think the more incriminating thing against venmar would be his utterly lackluster and apathetic play on the first 2 pages. given how easy votes are being thrown around, i wouldn't associate that with a hated townie

But fakeclaiming hated makes all of zero sense as scum so there's that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Venmar, do you lose the hated modifier in LyLo?

If he doesn't, then when would you suggest a policy

I'm ok with day 2

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I /really/ like venmar right now.

Kaze/ven want to vote phok with me now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orc idk, but he seemed pretty eager to write me off as town and then started opening up options of policy lynching me.

I would be mind blown if a scum would ever fakeclaim hated townie like it's so stupid

I was thinking reaction test or legit claim.

But yeah I would've policied a hated townie before he gets to lylo.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: Kaze #FirstPostSwag

Vote: Orci

Litmus test.

ok but i have nothing to respond to so this is a pretty shitty test

just a suggestion: next time you want to pressure me, actually pressure me, don't do this kind of shit because it's useless as jack

Spoiler:

In retrospect I can't tell if this is dirt throwing or if this is just an attempt at a witty comment, but it certainly is counterproductive to town getting out of rvs

probably bad town though. not part of my case.

Acting scummy in order to "get the game rolling" isn't a very good reason to townread someone

VOTE: orci L-1, #comeatme

Disliked this vote. As we've said, "acting scummy" is a misrep both of my attempts and of om's read. Once that's taken out of the picture, there isn't really a good reason to be putting me at L-1 aside from reaction testing, which evidently isn't what was going on

Acting scummy in order to "get the game rolling" isn't a very good reason to townread someone

VOTE: orci L-1, #comeatme

it really wasnt a scummy post my friend

Not so sure 'bout that

A+ for effort.

D'awww <3

i'm a lot of things but i'm not cute.

Acting scummy in order to "get the game rolling"

So since this is just a flat-out lie and misrep of everything

1) this was not what i was trying to do
2) this is not why om is towning me

1. How is saying your RVS vote is "now serious" out of nowhere not scummy/an attempt to get the game started?
2. Why is he then?

Acting scummy in order to "get the game rolling"

So since this is just a flat-out lie and misrep of everything

1) this was not what i was trying to do
2) this is not why om is towning me

1. How is saying your RVS vote is "now serious" out of nowhere not scummy/an attempt to get the game started?
2. Why is he then?

1 it was not of nowhere. I've played with kaze enough to know his town rvs and his schedule. He wasn't here when I expected him to be. Also I just assume that you don't know what a slash actually does, since your argument was scummy+ trying to get game started, and you used scummy or trying to get game started
2) for trying to get the game rolling, not for purposely acting scummy

1. Okay then. And no, I do know what slashes are used for, I just assumed you disagreed with only one part of what I said (and evidently you did, seeing as you just confirmed that you were only trying to get the game rolling and not be scummy (even though that's how you really were ))
2. Meh, okay

So this post is a load of waffle. Response to 1) is just strange. His argument seems to be (correct me if i'm wrong here, I had a hard time reading this) that I'm only disagreeing with one part of his "orci is scum for acting scummy in order to get game moving"...but it seems to me that if I disagree with the part where I purposely act scummy, you are left with "orci was trying to get the game moving" which sort of doesn't stand as a reason for scumreading me anymore, does it

So he does this weird backing off/termination of discussion without saying anything, leaves his vote on me, and proceeds to post fluff. I dunno. I expect people who L-1 RVS wagons to be aggressive. This was like a little rat scurrying away. The dissonance here leaves me to think scum.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@orc: why would it be stupid for scum to claim hated?

In what world would scum have anything to gain from claiming hated? It's stupid as hell. Hated is a role that is /designed/ to get nightkilled or policy lynched before lylo. If you're claiming, then you go for the latter option. Which is shockingly counterproductive to scum wincon of, I dunno,

surviving.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

not really convinced by a phok vote right now to be honest, orc's case is hard to be convinced by cause he put points in it that he said himself doesn't make phok scummy, so idk why he puffed up the reasoning with fluff.

i'll be back with a vote in a bit

Christ

You realize that I just did a complete commentary on phok's ISO and commented on everything that came to me at the time, right?

You said I puffed up the reasoning with fluff. By which I assume you mean the first comment I made on phok's RVS. So talk to me about the reasoning itself instead of dismissing it for a silly-ass reason

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@Orc: Here's the thing though -- if Venmar had stuck with his claim of hated townie then sure, I would say he's definitely town. But he retracted it. So he wasn't

really

putting himself in danger of getting policy lynched, was he?

"why would it be stupid for scum to claim hated?" was the question

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Get your votes out of RVS.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't know if I should be impressed by a whole ISO comb over then? I still don't see why you would need to do a whole ISO commentary, and usually when people stride out to to make everything about a person scummy (or in someway try to), including me in a handful of games, their target actually ends up being town. This is just from experience, unless you would like to point me to some of your games where your ISO witch hunt is effective?

I'm not trying to make everything about him scummy. I go through all of someone's post and interpret them as town/scum (which is why I included the thought that I thought the RVS was more indicative of badtown then it was of scum)

Point out games where I caught scum using ISO? Uh. Idk. Any of my pre-hiatus town games? Weak question.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What do you think of kanye

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Is this pressure or do you actually think I'm scummy

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So, Orci's case on phok sucks...yet Orci is town and phok is scum anyway?

is it just me or does this seem not contradictory at all

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if we can make this a quicklynch ill be pleased as canbe.

wot do u have against me

VOTE: kaze

vote on kaze is now serious

what happened between these two posts to make your apparently rvs omgus vote become a serious vote?

why do you take issue with kazes vote but not mine, when my vote is backed by an announcement that i wish to quicklynch you?

and why are you so concerned about meta not even 1 page into the game instead of, i dont know, scumhunting?

if we can make this a quicklynch ill be pleased as canbe.

wot do u have against me

VOTE: kaze

vote on kaze is now serious

what happened between these two posts to make your apparently rvs omgus vote become a serious vote?

Kaze's MIA

why do you take issue with kazes vote but not mine, when my vote is backed by an announcement that i wish to quicklynch you?

I do not take issue with his vote.

and why are you so concerned about meta not even 1 page into the game instead of, i dont know, scumhunting?

idk man im sure that's scummy

You mean, these early points?

Yeah no you just saw my scumgame you should

not

be getting me wrong right now.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And how the fuck are you townreading phok?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

his position on your wagon and the gusto with which he approached it make me think not scum. ill reconsider the read should you flip scum and i have to decide if he was trying to bus you or not but i doubt scum would try bussing at that point

Oh so it's completely associative, good to know.

tbh tho i actually have no idea which part of selkies was you and which was fferry. only thing i really noticed from the slotw as the nacho/ferry interplay and without that influence on it i have no idea how the slot would have played.

And you think my play this game is even remotely similar to last game? Fuck that. This is the first time I've felt actually involved in a game since I've been back.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

his reasoning for townreading venmar is really fuckin bad

good try but no?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Get your votes out of RVS.

I think I like my vote where it is.

So are you going to push that wagon or just lie low and hope nobody notices you

Kanye bugs me like hell because I've reread 133 a couple times. Why are you dropping the scumread for ONE post (that doesn't even stand out) when I have roughly a third of the posts in the game?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why do you think orcinus is town? Why are you making a big deal out of thinking that he's town? When you say "I don't enjoy the idea of orci being scum," is that another way of saying "I think he's town" or is it something else?

ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID

i just read your other posts and yes yes you are

i think tool is just going to be one of those town reads that i just ignore for the whole game

i don't like Kaze anymore

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hmmmm

Kaze T->S list please

[orcinus_theoriginal]

No, I think tool is around in the right place.

Why is FG higher than MTD?

I don't think scum-om would come out for me like that so openly

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Like for me the biggest town tell for tool is how easily he switched off me. It bugged me a little how reaching some parts of his case were (how strong of a case do you want me to have on page 2??) but I think the shift off seemed natural.

I need to take into account your schedule problems in this game. I feel like that's the main reason I'm not entirely comfortable with you yet. Although we haven't been in a true T&T yet, I thought that we would be able to find each other pretty easily. Hasn't happened yet, which makes me feel a bit queasy.

Phok being compeltely MIA from this thread makes me feel good about this vote though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You know om, I've been trying to decide what to make of your play.

I

like

you.

Talk to me about your scumreads.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

but whatevs, I am reading him town as well, still didn't really like your reaction

RED FUCKING ALERT.

UNVOTE:
I am unsure about orci, because I don't like to base my read as much on meta as tool did and in general his play didn't look good.

VOTE: mtd

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think tbh it's going to be easier to townhunt rather than scumhunt for me rn and that leaves town reads as you and venmar as my strongest, and then kanye, FG and phok (I can entertain the idea of him being town much more easily than I can of him being scum) in the lower end of the town spectrum.

talk to me about kanye/fg/phok town because right now i see town in none of them

i remember you being gut based, so if they're only gut reads just say that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Everybody. Vote. This. Scumfuck.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Lets talk about that Kaze play tho

[orcinus_theoriginal]

MTD, please claim.

What the fuck was the point of this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because you're the one who forced a pointless claim out of town, not me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because you weren't about to lynch him anyways

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's true that not keeping track of your reads is anti-town, but MTD has shown enough analysis and activity in his posts that I rather not policy lynch him today.

Just in case you forgot here's your reasoning for dissolving the MTD wagon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: fakegod

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's ok when I settle on my wagon for the day I will be sure to let you know

Yes my town game is this quick.

Fakegod just forced a claim and I'm not happy about that at all.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm thinking Phok is a policy lynch a this point in time

Or we could wait for a replacement and be productive in the meantime

I'm still waiting on why fakegod asked for the claim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

because if he lurks at this rate, i am never going to be able to read him, so we might as well lynch him d1

[orcinus_theoriginal]

because if he lurks at this rate, i am never going to be able to read him, so we might as well lynch him d1

But the votes on him aren't policy based?

No, that's what I'm saying for the people who aren't voting him or want a different lynch for the day

If Phok doesn't show up or if he isn't replaced he needs to be the lynch for policy reasons

Idk why you manage to miss the point of my posts so much of the time and it's deteriorating my townread on you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I thought about waiting for phok to show up, but it seems that won't be happening anytime soon.
Other than that I am still pretty much with my last reads, that is, with orci nullish/town and Fake null rather than leaning scum now, as his actions towards me seemed town motivated (that feel could be biased, though).
I am liking Kaze better as well, kanye not so much, but that's gut more than analysis from the newer posts.
So yeah, I like my vote on phok.

Now I'm nullish/town? After you got pushed to l1 for calling me town after you said I was a null read?

Oh

My

God.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't think Phok lurking changes anything, lurking is not alignment indicative, and in these circumstances if anything it's somewhat of a scumtell since he would be avoiding his wagon. Don't forget that lurking apparently is a part of his meta.

The fact that you have championed his wagon at the beginning of the game (and a good part of it too), and are now almost dismissing it as a Policy Lynch for stuff that is part of his meta and circumstances that should make his lurking scummy, is what ticks me.

How am I dismissing it?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But I'm not dismissing the vote. I'm classifying the vote as a policy lynch. How is that dismissive?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: kaze

I swear on behalf of any credit i might have in mafia that this is correct.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i will build my case tonight.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

actually sorry i cant make a case. i got caught up tonight in another game and im leaving on a road trip for chinese new year tomorrow

so
1) kaze's questioning is weak af. On a similar note, he questions people a lot, but gives very few reads. The ratio is far off from his other games that I've seen. He gave a read list when I asked for it, but I mean, I shouldn't have to ask for it.
2) He isn't as sure of himself as he is in town games. He deliberatly leaves things open. 131 has a line "I'm not really seeing Orci scum, yet." Like, I don't mind this, but when town kaze is rarely this waffly. The yet part almost feels like he's trying to leave a backtracking option later in the game
3) Just his interest and activity in this game is not on par with his town level. I thought that this was due to him being gernally busy and overcommitted but this apathy is not present in his other ongoings. I assume that that's what kaze was talking about with the deleted post.

I also take back the part about my credibility im not willing to bet that, fuck you venmar.

have a nice day

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh it's a policy wagon right now, no doubt. If phok doesn't show up for the rest of the day and isn't replaced we have to lynch him, regardless of whatever other scumreads anybody might have.

For the time being i'd like to be productive tho tyvm.

dont hate on what's operating at a level above you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yes.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

do you have a game as apathetic town that you want to show me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

:/ im not too thrilled about that

What's your lynch pool for today, with phok out of the picture?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i don't really understand your om read

[orcinus_theoriginal]

help me pls

[orcinus_theoriginal]

help me pls

What did you think of his "I'm a different person than I was then" bit?

borderline masturbatory

completely in-line for town om, in other words

holy fuck i should be asleep

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: phok

claim next time you're on

[orcinus_theoriginal]

FakeGod might not be as town as I thought

thanks

now you go question him on why he pressed for the claim since you so rudely interrupted my process last time

[orcinus_theoriginal]

MTD, please claim.

Why did you force MTD to claim when you didn't show intention of hammering him, didn't vote him, never expressed suspicion/discomfort with his actions, and never shown previous suspicion of MTD (or mentioned him for that matter) all game? You shouldn't have any

town

to do this in the manner you did.

hes learning goddamn I am so proud

[orcinus_theoriginal]

No, Phok is being lynched today no questions asked. For policy reasons.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

because if he lurks at this rate, i am never going to be able to read him, so we might as well lynch him d1

@Venmar: I rather not explain.

you uh don't get to say that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Interesting.

Why do you believe that using "lynch all lurkers" is the correct strategy at the moment?

What makes you think you get to ask questions

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah go

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey fakegod what's your read on mtd?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: om

dont claim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

By the way, Orci, I can't help but notice that policy lynch didn't quite pan out. What's up with that?

?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

that's a stupid question and you get about 10 minutes to take it back

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lol sry im kinda on edge

UNVOTE:

just to dodge a self-hammer

[orcinus_theoriginal]

This is 2 scum, right?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh so toolen was a om NK, that makes sense.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok here we go

dear fakegod

i realized a few minutes after kaze hammered yesterday that your actions with mtd could've been explained by you being a rolecop, which was why i wanted to know your mtd read right off the bat

but your first post of this day not containing a result crumb nullifies my theory

you're going to have to explain yourself now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so im going to go back to you pressing for a mtd claim because i really don't see the thinking behind it and your posts have implied that there was a strategy you were trying to go for

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@Venmar: I rather not explain.

and why this, at this time

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lynch him

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lynch him

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh sorry I didn't realize

VOTE: om

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ISO om and search mtd

that is a goddamn shitty trajectory

VOTE: mtdd

[orcinus_theoriginal]

can i see this kanye case

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ISO om and search mtd

that is a goddamn shitty trajectory

VOTE: mtdd

So, what's up?

i think lynching mtd and kanye in any order wins the game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok

VOTE: kanye

[orcinus_theoriginal]

nj fakegod

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lol we all got carried so hard