Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #584 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:11 am

Hi guys, I've been reading since i sent the replacement request and I'm currently at Page 17.

Reads as of now:
Town: Nacho, the snowman avatar guy, TS.
Scum: bjc, Rob, ED (which means im wrong about at least 1 of these)

Not in any specific order.

Unvote

In case my predecessor was voting someone.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #588 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:30 am

In post 587, TierShift wrote:I want explanations on the bjc and ed reads when you're done, I'm having a hard time choosing and it doesn't feel like a bus from bjc there.

Sure will, but so far i have seen people questioning the lurker lynch and im surprised i havent been asked why im scumreading him.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #590 (isolation #2) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:36 am

In post 585, bjc wrote:Your predecessor was voting a guy about to be replaced IIRC, please help make an ED wagon.

You will see I'm not as scummy as I appear.

While im reading 463 looked pretty awkward to me, it looks like you learned a new word and decided to peg it as an added reason to your case because you felt like it, which I see TS pegged you for that.

Anyway I also have work to do so im reading slowly for the time being, when it's lunch break i'll be done most likely.

PEd. Because I think I know why Nacho's onto him, considering i've hydra'd with Nacho before and I've learned some of his scumhunting tactics, which are known as godly by most ppl on this site that know him.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #597 (isolation #3) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:49 am

In post 485, ika wrote:rob is
more likly to flip town
due to majority scum reading him, that is unless his partner is planing on bussing him and going solo.

In post 490, ika wrote:
im more down for rob atm
if nobody is willing to go with teir atm.

Wait what, i hope there's some sort of explanation for this in the following pages.

PEd. I thought Nacho already explained why his general lurkyness is more indicative of being scum than town? With the all "if he's bored he would replace out" and stuff. I do add, that I like to pressure lurkers into providing content, and usually when that content never comes but continue lurking is most likely scum, tho this is prob. mostly due to reading too many Mastin posts.

PEd2. Hi Ika, could you explain the couple quotes i just found please? (Unless it was already pointed out and explained)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #599 (isolation #4) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:52 am

btw ika here's a suggestion, never say things like "If I die during the night look at X" because if you both are town guess who scum is going to kill for a frame job.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #604 (isolation #5) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:01 am

In post 536, ika wrote:yes nobody wants to be lynched.

My fatalistic meta begs to differ

Sorry i just had to comment on that

Sakura Hana · Post Post #611 (isolation #6) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:16 am

In post 607, ika wrote:enough of your survivalism play. at this point your play is becoming more hindeirng to me then helpful if your town.

In post 608, bjc wrote:......... Okay. Whatever, someone hammer me so I can play in a different newb game.

^
Does this look like survivalist to you?
And if his play is hindering you then you're effectively pushing for a policy lynch, now that i finished reading im thinking on bjc as more town. Maybe because I've been in his position before.
Also Ika leaning more scum =/

Sakura Hana · Post Post #613 (isolation #7) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:20 am

In post 612, bjc wrote:ED is a great starting point, IMO.

I agree with this

Vote: ED

Go counterwagon!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #624 (isolation #8) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:40 am

In post 621, bjc wrote:No, put him at L-1 WITH INTENT TO HAMMER

Kinda hard to do both without being a double voter.
intent to hammer is done by a person outside of the wagon when the wagon is at L-1.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #626 (isolation #9) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:42 am

In post 625, RayFrost wrote:Hi. Intent to hammer once sakura catches up.

Hi i'm done catching up, and also gotten quite a few interactions that strengthen/weaken my reads, if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Also ED is L-2 atm i think.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #628 (isolation #10) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:45 am

In post 611, Sakura Hana wrote:now that i finished reading im thinking on bjc as more town. Maybe because I've been in his position before.
Also Ika leaning more scum =/

Sakura Hana · Post Post #630 (isolation #11) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:49 am

Yeah, also TS going a bit down in the town ladder, but still nullish-town because of his last post.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #631 (isolation #12) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:50 am

As a clarification, i meant that he went down the town ladder because of the last post.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #638 (isolation #13) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:07 am

In post 633, ika wrote:thoughts on gambits? scum and town aligned?
how long have you played mafia?
preference to play scum/town/neutral?
was this your homesite and if not where is your homesite?

1) I like gambits, tho im not usually very good at pulling them, see this game on Day 2 how i accidentally[1] faked a cop inno on my strongest townread, and due to his reaction he became conftown-like for me.
2) Since like a week or 2 before my join date here.
3) Preference as Town.
4) My homesite's here: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/84 and i still play there too, my username is "Sakura" if you want to meta, tho all games there are also in my wiki.

[1]I made a read that said "Innocent until proven otherwise" on Cabd, which Cabd thought it was a cop inno, it wasn't it's just that i had a strong townread on him, but that reaction is what strengthened the read on me. Ironically the real cop had an inno on me...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #639 (isolation #14) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:10 am

Also fake-claiming as town is ok as long as you retract it with enough time (reaction testing), but if you keep at it, then yeah it's p.bad even if you're right.
Gambits are ok imo.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #645 (isolation #15) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:21 am

Well weekend's coming hopefully i can hear from Nacho and he starts showing me his PoV and I can start working with him and Ray since those 2 are my strongest reads atm. And then we form a nice happy townbloc and PoE the hell out of scum and win \o\ \o/ /o/

Sakura Hana · Post Post #661 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:42 am

Nacho, i know you're around so please come here and give me your thoughts and stuff.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #665 (isolation #17) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:08 am

White Knighting = Protecting a player from attacks from other sides could be done as either alignment.
Chainsaw Defense = A scum player protecting their scumbuddy from its attackers.
Buddying = A scum player helping a town player to get on their good side (town players do it too but it has a different term iirc).

Those are all the friendship-like terminology i remember to help you out there.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #666 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:09 am

In post 665, Sakura Hana wrote:Chainsaw Defense = A scum player protecting their scumbuddy by attacking its attackers.

EBWOP: Messed up the description here a bit.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #672 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:48 am

Wasn't he against a robw lynch somewhere in the thread because he was just lurking and it wasn't a scum tell yada yada yada no info obtained yada yada yada?

Or was that someone else.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #677 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:55 am

It looked like a taunting question wrt to my previous post to me... the other points are mostly what I was referring to.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #679 (isolation #21) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:58 am

so bjc, you think TS is scum, or are you just voting him because you want a flip.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #682 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:04 am

He made several posts between those 2 you know...
more importantly:

In post 622, bjc wrote:How on earth is TS's above post pro town in any way?

I guess i should have noticed this before as well, but at the time I was too busy trying to sort TS myself as I already thought bjc was town enough.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #684 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:06 am

So bjc, can you explain your thought progress from Post 580 to 622 to 678?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #692 (isolation #24) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:13 am

In post 686, ika wrote:if you are going to refer to posts, use the number only.

As an additional suggestion if you're going to do this use post tags

Code: Select all

[post]234[/post]

Becomes 234, which links to that exact post number in this thread

Sakura Hana · Post Post #693 (isolation #25) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:13 am

In post 689, bjc wrote:interacting with others/this game becoming alive again has also helped.

You're welcome.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #705 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:33 am

Tbh, bjc overall sounds more genuine to me. The fact that you can't make a decission and are asking for them to go at each other's throats is bothering me, what if you're scum and know they're both town? what if you're scum with TS and you've orchestrated a nice bus to only agree with him by the end despite having him as scum all day long?.

PEd. why didnt you do that from the beginning?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #710 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:40 am

In post 709, TierShift wrote:How do you feel about ika orchestrating this to ba a 1v1? Do you feel there's necessarily scum in me or bjc?

I suggest you read my post again and ask again if you really think that's the case.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #712 (isolation #28) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:42 am

If ika's scum and you 2 are town he doesn't care which of you 2 is lynched and just wants a case to follow on to either of you. Also don't you find it odd he agrees with YOUR case when he's been scumreading you MOST of the game?

Whether 1 of you is scum or not, i dont know, but at this point if i were to decide bjc's posting looks more genuine than yours, but you're not the only 2 players on the game.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #714 (isolation #29) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:48 am

In post 713, bjc wrote:Yeah but ika basically was going to decide on something that looked prettier.

lol'd

Sakura Hana · Post Post #716 (isolation #30) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:50 am

In post 715, TierShift wrote:Rob still scum? Ed?

Ed has gone town for me, Rob at least this time seems like he's going to be replaced... which makes me incredibly skeptical because 3/4 times i replace into a newbie slot it's a scum slot. I think i rather push for ika at this point.

Vote: ika

Sakura Hana · Post Post #717 (isolation #31) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:52 am

Also why haven't you given me your opinion wrt Ika even tho i've seemed to point out a million times how he was scumreading you like mad before then decides to agree with your case on bjc?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #719 (isolation #32) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:54 am

Hi Nacho!

Sakura Hana · Post Post #722 (isolation #33) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:56 am

I really would like to know how Ika's throught process went from TS = Kill it with fire to TS = Sheep.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #725 (isolation #34) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:57 am

In post 724, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 722, Sakura Hana wrote:I really would like to know how Ika's throught process went from TS = Kill it with fire to TS = Sheep.
Ika isn't scum.

Well, I disagree! for now at least, because I haven't seen anything on ika's posting that screams super town to me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #737 (isolation #35) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:19 am

Well i'm going to

Unvote

for now.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #745 (isolation #36) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:37 am

Also if you want my replace into newbie slot info:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28585 (Scumslot) Newbie slot.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30224 (Scumslot) Newbie slot.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31070 (Scumslot) Newbie slot.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28769 (Townslot) Newbie slot.

As an addenum:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31510 <- Wisdom was replacing Mario who lurked and replaced out who was replacing a newbie (Scumslot) Newbie Slot.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #746 (isolation #37) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:39 am

So yeah i have all the reason in the world to believe newbies do lurk and replace out as scum more often than as town.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #749 (isolation #38) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:51 am

In post 748, TierShift wrote:You are quoting all non-newbie slots.

All of the games I linked were newbie slots replacing out of a scum slot.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #750 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:52 am

In post 67, GuyInFreezer wrote:
PurpleBandit3000 and Crown haven't pick their role PMs up and will be replaced.

Sounds different to me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #768 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:22 pm

I think i stare at that poor snowman too much.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #770 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:30 pm

That particle beam feels like something that came out of DBZ.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #775 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:51 pm

In post 772, RayFrost wrote:intent to vote/hammer on ED is present for the time being but may change pending replacement value/input.

Why you think ED is gonna replace? What do you think about him not wanting to be wagoned until claim?
I would also like to know where you're standing at atm.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #778 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:57 pm

In post 775, Sakura Hana wrote:Why you think ED is gonna replace?

Or did you mistook ED as the Rob guy who's actually getting replaced?

PEd. yeah thought so.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #781 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:55 pm

In post 780, emeraldemon wrote:Can you tell me what made you flip to ika scum?

Read my ISO some things have caught up my attention after replacing in, but im willing to work with Nacho's read of him for the time being.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #794 (isolation #45) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:06 am

So 2 days until deadline, and im fine with either Rob or Tier.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #797 (isolation #46) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:09 am

In post 795, emeraldemon wrote:Sakura I don't think your voting anyone right now, would you vote whoever you'd rather see lynched please?

I already specified whose 2 im fine seeing lynched, we need to come to a concensus of who.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #798 (isolation #47) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:17 am

So from my PoV, lynching the Rob saves the mod having to look for a replacement, and has a statistically higher chance of being scum, both from actual statistics and personal experience from replacing into newbie slots.
While Tier has more interactions that can be analyzed, and him flipping scum would implicate a scum Rob as well ANYWAY, while a Town flip would leave us with a possible bjc scum. So I think TS would be a priority for me, I want to hear Nacho's and Ray's opinion on the matter (and p.much also everyone on Nacho's TBloc)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #800 (isolation #48) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:22 am

In post 799, emeraldemon wrote:Don't forget tiershift also replaced into a newbie slot, so presumably the statistics are the same.

That one's different because it was replacement for

Not picking up the role PM

So arguably the players flaked before they even read the PM.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #801 (isolation #49) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:23 am

@Mod: "Not picking up the role PM" means that it was still in your outbox or a failure to confirm

Sakura Hana · Post Post #802 (isolation #50) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:24 am

Actually anyone that has modded newbie games could inform me on that one ^

Sakura Hana · Post Post #805 (isolation #51) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:27 am

Nacho, talk to me. Who do you want lynched out of TS and Rob and why over the other.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #807 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:36 am

Yeah I guess the slot is doomed anyhow.

Vote: Rob

Seems like this guy is dying regardless of what TS flips anyway =/
I think that's L-2 btw.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #809 (isolation #53) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:45 am

In post 808, emeraldemon wrote:The question is, do wait for the replacement in case he claims PR?

Do you think a PR would lurk their way like he did?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #816 (isolation #54) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:49 pm

In post 761, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 760, RayFrost wrote:Mod: Will we be getting a deadline extension pending the robw replacement?

If he I don't find the replacement soon, I will stop a deadline until I find the replacement.

^
Here the mod says he will Halt the deadline until a replacement can be found.

Inb4 it takes so long, everyone forgets about this game then mass prod \:D/

Sakura Hana · Post Post #818 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:32 pm

In post 817, Wagon Me Pal wrote:It makes me think nacho is wanting a quick lynch on rob.

Nacho wants to wait for the replacement too u know.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #820 (isolation #56) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:53 pm

It's my favorite flower.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #824 (isolation #57) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:58 pm

@Mod: How much deadline do we have once a replacement comes?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #827 (isolation #58) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:37 pm

34 pages shouldn't be that hard to read up on IMO, but one thing we want from you is reads with a 3-8 sentence reasoning as to why for each and you kind of need to read the thread for that.
Ray and Nacho are obvtown.
Nacho has a Ray, me, ika, Nacho, bjc, LMB townbloc.
You're being PoE'd as possible scum and we were waiting on the replacament (a.k.a you).

What's with the vote on bjc when you haven't even read the thread?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #830 (isolation #59) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:44 pm

In post 829, pisskop wrote:bjc. is my rvs. a haha. ill substantiate if I keep it. btw Im on a phone until work week, so any help is coo.

You are at L-2 and bjc isnt voting you, what makes you think running an RVS voting him is going to do?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #833 (isolation #60) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:52 pm

I'm looking forward to when you finish reading, but im already not getting a good impression of you

btw the correct emote is:

Code: Select all

:roll:

Sakura Hana · Post Post #838 (isolation #61) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:30 pm

L-3 now actually coz Ray unvoted.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #851 (isolation #62) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:10 pm

In post 850, pisskop wrote:guys, whos my scummbuddy? i mean besidesme whos neck is out?

TS has been defending your slot pretty heavily despite it being a person that only fluffed enough to avoid getting prodded, he eventually got prodded and replaced in the end but come on.
Have you ISO'd your predecessor?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #861 (isolation #63) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:25 am

For me is mostly because Meta or the personal experience type, I've played with Nacho in many games and even hydra'd with him, so I know more or less how his mind works. That meta is all from 2013 tho, so idk what kind of meta Ray may have on him.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #868 (isolation #64) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:16 am

I direct you to this page as to why Nacho thinks you're scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=725
And there's also PoE involved, also look how TS reacts towards all statistical accusations on your slot.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #873 (isolation #65) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:34 am

In post 870, bjc wrote:L-2

Actually it's L-1

Sakura Hana · Post Post #883 (isolation #66) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:49 am

And you still wont claim... ok

Unvote
Vote: pisskop

====[ ]

Sakura Hana · Post Post #891 (isolation #67) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:55 am

In post 889, ika wrote:
In post 887, pisskop wrote:quick, ika, answer my questions
it will be post game for your answer or when im dead maybe if one of my town ppl want to know maybe then but not for you

Is that all you have to say to a dying man?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #896 (isolation #68) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:58 am

In post 895, bjc wrote:Stop avoiding it. If you were pro town you would lay out the reads to help us tomorrow. You're the one being anti-town.

^
This.

Also idk what to think of ika's reactions

Sakura Hana · Post Post #897 (isolation #69) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:59 am

Well since it'll be soon be a newpage and everyone will notice anyway.
pisskop here's some good news, you're not dead.
here's some bad news, im not impressed at all with your reactions.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #902 (isolation #70) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:03 am

In post 901, pisskop wrote:[/dawww]

it was a silly thing to expect me not to notice it after i specifically said i was watching you.

but you shook up ika's townread, i think.

It was a nice try anyway orz
Guess my fakehammers are too obvious.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #910 (isolation #71) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:13 am

Unvote

Not comfortable with Ika holding the hammer.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #911 (isolation #72) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:16 am

There's a couple things bothering me.
If ika was town, he wouldnt be posting like this.
But if ika was scum, he would have hammered you just because you refused to claim, like what happened to me in another newbie game several months ago. And he wouldn't take much flak for it because you refused to claim.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #927 (isolation #73) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:14 am

I'll give you until tonight (until around 6 hours from now to be exact), I still want to hear Nacho's and Ray's thoughts on what has happened so far since your replace in. If I see any convincing reason to give you more time then I will.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #947 (isolation #74) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:57 am

In post 929, pisskop wrote:you dudnt strip ika of hammer privilidges to do it yourself, so soon.

So you would have rather he have hammered you in 1 hour? I gave you more time than he did, and the fact that you're at L-1 means there's at least 4 more ppl that want you dead ASAP.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #959 (isolation #75) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:58 am

In post 952, pisskop wrote:abbott = 5
hana = 0

Most people call me Sakura jsyk.

Also hi ffery, thank god it's someone I can read.

I'll retract my intent to hammer, because kop wanting himself dead to "clear" TS looks like it comes from a townie perspective, i still want to have more words with Nacho wrt ika and kop, and ffery needs to read up and catch up.

btw ffery your predecessor was currently voting someone who's at L-1

Sakura Hana · Post Post #966 (isolation #76) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:57 am

Nacho do u still want kop (Rob's slot) dead?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #969 (isolation #77) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:15 am

Also im quite interested in seeing if/how ffery's replacing into a newbie slot affects his read on that slot considering all the "newbies replace out as scum more often" discussion that happened earlier.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #971 (isolation #78) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:15 am

In post 969, Sakura Hana wrote:affects his read

^
referring to nacho's read on the slot btw.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:27 am

In post 993, emeraldemon wrote:I just want to say that the first game I ever read on this site was newbie 1436 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31510
and you were amazing as scum that game, I thought you were town the whole time I was reading.

So I am a little bit afraid of you now.

I totally was right about ffery but Bert didnt follow suit

Should've won that one orz

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:41 am

so first pisskop wants to sacrifice himself to "clear" TS and now he thinks TS is scum?
Now im getting paranoid that the first one was some kind of gambit to clear a scummate =/

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:06 pm

In post 1018, emeraldemon wrote:I thought 827 was kinda scummy. (see 979).

I was kinda replying to this:

In post 826, pisskop wrote:Anyone care to post key points?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1022 (isolation #82) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:04 pm

I still want to know how pisskop went from this:

In post 950, pisskop wrote:tier is looking town and i must admit I see his reasoning. will my death help clear him?

To this:

In post 1001, pisskop wrote:But I expect some people to weigh in on my claim that tier/hana have been avoiding direct confrontations.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1024 (isolation #83) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:09 pm

In post 1023, pisskop wrote:I was isoing arguements around tier and abbott lacked them.

And what do you think about my arguments of TS being your scum partner due to hard defending your slot before you even came here?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1027 (isolation #84) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:13 pm

In post 1025, pisskop wrote:he was defending an essentially empty slot. he may as well have taken his logic/defense from a wiki or FAQ.

Not really, Nacho provided statistical analysis taken from 48 newbie games, and i showed personal experience from 5 newbie games where i had been part of, and he still rejected it, found a way to say no. Like saying the slots werent newbie slots (when it was obvious they were)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1028 (isolation #85) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:14 pm

Anyway here's the statistical analysis: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5631022 there's also some downloadable excel file or something the person is providing.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1029 (isolation #86) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:19 pm

Also I linked earlier to this page: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=775 in this thread where me and Nacho discussed with TS all the statistical stuff, im surprised you missed it during your analysis.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1030 (isolation #87) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:20 pm

EBWODP: Wrong link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=725

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1035 (isolation #88) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:48 pm

In post 1033, bjc wrote:It's pretty much you, TS, or ED. It's in that order, too.

I already explained the difference with the 1st 2, those were people that didnt even read their role PMs so they wouldn't have known they were scum.
I can imagine the feeling of newbies as scum, considering I had the same type of feeling of "OMG I DONT WANNA DO THIS!" on my second newbie (1st scum) game, but at least i didnt replace out due to pressure.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1037 (isolation #89) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:54 pm

In post 1033, bjc wrote:It's pretty much you,
TS, or ED
. It's in that order, too.

I thought you were referring to this (since i remember TS replaced in too) but then i saw ED wasnt a replacement so now I see what you mean now. Anyway

vote: pisskop

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1041 (isolation #90) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:00 pm

In post 1038, pisskop wrote:So,
hana
/fferlyt/pisskop/
lmb
. we all placed in, each w/a 60% chance of being a scum.

nacho, im going to browse your provided data when i get time. again.

You should probably re-read what you quoted earlier...

In post 1032, pisskop wrote:
a
newbie
is 1.5 times more likely to replace out as scum

so, That leaves us with a 60% 40%. Ill take those odds.

And even if you look at the data again:

SEs replace out more often as town than as scum, but they rarely do so (Also i just realized that ICs replace out more often as scum... woot?)

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1043 (isolation #91) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:02 pm

In post 1039, pisskop wrote:hana, do you have specific evidence that those who did not pick up pm are exempt from this?

A person who has read their role PM has info from the game already that can affect their replace out.
A person who hasn't read their role PM has no info whatsoever so they didnt even know their alignment so it cant be indicative of anything.

Also these statistics dont count people that are force-replaced by the mod or ppl that dont read their role PM iirc (it's said somewhere in that thread).

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1045 (isolation #92) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:05 pm

In either case tho, for a page or 2 i've had non-statistical related reasons to suspect him anyway, and he's ignoring that.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1047 (isolation #93) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 1046, pisskop wrote:You are subject to the same statistics. :p

abbott even dropped out like robw.

but seriously .lurkers no lurking.

x2

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1048 (isolation #94) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:10 pm

Does anyone know whether pisskop is always this dense or something.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1061 (isolation #95) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:30 pm

In post 1050, RayFrost wrote:Yes he is. But he's probably town.

Can you explain this to me?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1066 (isolation #96) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:52 pm

In post 1064, RayFrost wrote:Also, I am sorry about whatever unfortunate thing that happened to you / the people around you.

heh Thanks.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1074 (isolation #97) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:05 pm

In post 1072, pisskop wrote:wow, nothing gets past you!

I'd think he'd be counting votes considering my fakehammer earlier.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1080 (isolation #98) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:10 pm

In post 1078, bjc wrote:Yes, kill it with fire.

Is it just me or you want to kill everything with fire.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #1084 (isolation #99) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 1082, bjc wrote:
In post 1080, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1078, bjc wrote:Yes, kill it with fire.
Is it just me or you want to kill everything with fire.
I want to kill TS, ED, or pisskop.... fire may or may not be involved.

What about pepper spray?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:18 pm

on other news bjc has evolved from prob town to obvtown for me.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:00 am

In post 1107, emeraldemon wrote:1101: So Sakura is the only one who's mentioned a townblock, and she's mentioned it twice (645 & 827). Nacho did say 729 that he thought all those people were town, so maybe that's the same thing. But why doesn't Sakura say "I think all these people are town"? Why is it nacho's townblock, and not her townblock? Is this some appeal to authority that I didn't get because I didn't know nacho is awesome at scumhunting (sorry again nacho)?

Look at the post Nacho's quoting, and look at how i was asking nacho so that

we

would form a townbloc.
The feeling of Nacho's godly scumhunting skills is something i've felt for over 5 games or so by now, heck i've been called out in others for "always sheeping Nacho", what makes you think me mentioning it here makes it different?

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:02 am

or is this about that one post again which i already explained =/

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:15 am

In post 1122, pisskop wrote:Ray's in a current game w/me.

And that game's called Newbie 1471.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:18 am

I don't see what did you want to do with that post, but if you're in a game with ray and it's not Newbie 1471 (this one) then... it doesnt exist unless it's finished.

Enphasis on...

IT DOESNT EXIST.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:48 am

I'll just link this handy post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30908
And low let us all pretend that never happened.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:16 am

In post 1130, emeraldemon wrote:If people say sheeping Nacho is her meta, I won't argue. I'm not gonna try to read a Sakura / Nacho game today. I wish I could ISO but the site is down.

That isn't the point I was trying to make tho.
The point i was trying to make is that the post you quoted is a post i have made to give key points i remembered from the thread to pisskop.
I do have a tendency to sheep Nacho, specially when I believe he's town tho.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:35 am

In post 1142, emeraldemon wrote:What do you think about fferylt and rayfrost townreading him?

I don't really know, and his reaction to the fakehammer was fake anyway since he knew it was a fakehammer.
The thing that bothered me is that he wanted to "sacrifice himself" to clear TS, and then not much later he thinks TS is scum.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:37 am

Oops, i forgot to answer the actual question >.>

Well just because i think someone is town doesnt mean they're right, but nacho has proven to me that his ability at catching scum is great and he'd be someone i'd follow until he messes up in that game.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:56 pm

little less than 2 days guys...

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:14 pm

So many replacements and deadline extensions this game...

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:17 pm

In post 1177, pisskop wrote:soooooo. \o/ wagons!

the one on you is pretty good, maybe you should join it.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:27 pm

In post 1179, pisskop wrote:what are your stats on double replacements?

the one time i see it happen on a newbie slot it was scum, however that slot didnt miss the role PM the first time so idk really.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:19 pm

We could just make it end by hammering kop or his partner!
btw cute avatar Yagami.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:39 am

In post 1194, RayFrost wrote:dogmeraldo

I like you.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:03 pm

In post 1197, Hayate Yagami wrote:Sakura, why do you think I have your slot as null right now? I'm curious as to your thoughts on my read on you.

My guess is that you didn't like when i was explaining to the ED what that post meant, which I still don't know why he keeps ignoring the fact that I was just pointing relevant stuff to pisskop?.
I don't see why you'd want my thoughts of your read on me, only thing i'd be thinking would be "Why after so many posts someone still can't sort me?", tho if you're paranoid because you can't tell then i'd understand that.

In post 1197, Hayate Yagami wrote:Also, what makes bjc town?

I liked his reactions when he was under pressure, and his reactions to the fake hammer, and i've also liked his latest posts.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:39 pm

In post 1200, Hayate Yagami wrote:What about his latest posts have you liked? His eagerness for a hammer, for instance, has done anything but give me good vibes. What was good about his fake-hammer reactions? How did you feel about his earlier posts while he was under pressure, which definitely were survivalist?

his eagerness for hammer just shows that he's tired of how this day keeps going on and on and on, it shows he's being affected by apathy, which is scum's weapon (scum would just keep silent overall and let town fall into apathy instead).
Idk, it's kinda hard to describe, probably some kind of gut feeling from his posts right after the fake-hammer, if he was scum that was partners with pisskop he would be trying to stay away in silence, if he was scum that isnt partner with pisskop he'd be trying to blame a mislynch on me, but his reaction of "WTF DID JUST HAPPEN" felt more townish to me.
Newbtown tends to act more survivalist, i'd expect newbscum to self-hammer to end discussion OR fake claim a PR to draw the actual PR.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:41 pm

In post 1200, Hayate Yagami wrote:Also, I know you think nacho's town, and you've played a decent amount of games with him, and you've said you have him as town for meta reasons. What about his play thus far meshes with his pro-town meta in your opinion?

His love of pushing lurkers, his ability to find genuinity transparency and form a decent sized townbloc quick PoEing scum outta it, I'd only be worried about him if by D3 we haven't lynched scum AND he's still alive.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:42 pm

Also I like how you're interacting with me to sort me out since I never had a chance to interact with LMB, so that's working out for both at least.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:06 pm

In post 1204, Hayate Yagami wrote:How do you think that meshes with #608, where his attitude is suddenly the opposite: "Oh, lynch me, whatever?" In retrospect this feels kind of weird; ika pressures him to not act survivalistically, and thus instead he switches to the opposite?

Hmm... actually now that you mention it, it feels quite odd, when I came in bjc was already getting pressured anyhow and i just thought that if he was scum he would have self-hammered or claimed PR, what do you think about him wanting to get hammered instead of just ending the discussion himself right there? Maybe because ika was pressuring him and i was scumreading ika at the time (and im still on the null-scum realm for that slot, not in so much as TS or kop tho).

TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:17 pm

In post 1207, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1206, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1204, Hayate Yagami wrote:How do you think that meshes with #608, where his attitude is suddenly the opposite: "Oh, lynch me, whatever?" In retrospect this feels kind of weird; ika pressures him to not act survivalistically, and thus instead he switches to the opposite?
Hmm... actually now that you mention it, it feels quite odd, when I came in bjc was already getting pressured anyhow and i just thought that if he was scum he would have self-hammered or claimed PR, what do you think about him wanting to get hammered instead of just ending the discussion himself right there? Maybe because ika was pressuring him and i was scumreading ika at the time (and im still on the null-scum realm for that slot, not in so much as TS or kop tho).

TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.
I feel like you just claimed scum here.

If you did then your feelings are off

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:26 pm

In post 1209, fferyllt wrote:Well, it's you who claimed you can read me when I replaced in. If you've got me null-scum then why the hell aren't you trying to sort me?

Well then why do you think kop is town? Because I still find his flop on TS way too awkward...

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:36 pm

I'm just going to say I derped and forgot all about trying to sort ffery

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:40 pm

In post 1213, fferyllt wrote:And I got a lost-town-doesn't-know-what-to-do feel from them.

How the heck did you get this kind of feel from Rob's ISO.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:55 am

In post 1221, RayFrost wrote:
In post 1212, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm just going to say I derped and forgot all about trying to sort ffery
This doesn't answer the rest of the post that this is supposed to be a reply to.

Explain how you differentiate between the koppi and bjc reads.

I may not read you as scum, but that doesn't mean I am going to let you get away with not replying to issues that people have with your posting.

I guess I forgot to answer this before, but the thing is im not dismissing anyone faking anything when i find stronger evidence, kop flipped his read on TS within 50 posts then said I was scum for flipping mine in like 200. If you read through those posts the initial reaction was me starting to feel him as town then again i get a scum feel from him.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:56 am

In post 1226, TierShift wrote:What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden.

Me neither, plus apparently ffery got a townread out of Rob's ISO, which is worrying me.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:42 am

In post 1229, TierShift wrote:Response to this?

then what's your read on kop, I could have sworn you said he was town...

In post 1231, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1228, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1226, TierShift wrote:What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden.
Me neither, plus apparently ffery got a townread out of Rob's ISO, which is worrying me.
Is it now? What's worrying me is that you have a null/scum read on me, but had no questions for me at all until I called you on it.

Not going to comment on this for now, but if you manage to lynch me then i'm going to slap some evidence in your face about how you should know that I'm very likely to forget things like these and hope town lynches you the next day.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:58 am

In post 1234, fferyllt wrote:I thought you might be waiting for Nacho to show up and sort me.

Why would i want Nacho to sort you? He's been townreading your slot while i've been scumreading it =/

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:08 am

you're very ok with lynching just about everyone >_>

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:10 am

In post 1240, fferyllt wrote:Are you trying to distance from nacho?

Not really, in fact i wish he was here so he would stop this BS already, to me it seems like people are taking advantage that he's not around to disband wagons on me =/

Also i'm starting to regret not letting ika hammer kop.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:14 am

^
Why the heck is this thing still alive seriously.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:08 am

hmm that's odd...
I'd think that it would be quite unlikely for both scum to be on my wagon at the same time, my current strongest scumread is pisskop and he's already here, my guess is that his partner is really TS who is just standing around and looking for a way to jump into the wagon, and what other good reason to do so than:

In post 1250, GuyInFreezer wrote:Deadline counter: 1 day, 3 hours, 53 minutes

Yeah this is getting as fishy as hell...

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:18 am

Anyway im heading for a job interview, any hammer without me claiming will be considered a scumclaim.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:03 am

In post 1260, Sakura Hana wrote:Anyway im heading for a job interview, any hammer without me claiming will be considered a scumclaim.

And such didnt go too well... orz

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:11 am

Unvote
Vote: TS

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:11 am

that should be L-1 btw

Sakura Hana · Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:33 am

In post 1311, Hayate Yagami wrote:Sakura's at L-2. Can still make a Sakura lynch happen, people!

In post 1301, GuyInFreezer wrote:Deadline counter: 0 days, 3 hours, 29 minutes

=/
I still want TS or kop lynched. I may be able to be around during the whole deadline but if i have to leave in a hurry i'll claim.

Sakura Hana · Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:44 am

I just have a feeling that you're going to deadline lynch me with all the hesitation to hammer TS just coz he claimed VT.

Sakura Hana · Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:49 am

Hi guys, good thing night ended before I actually finished moving since i prob. won't have internet then

V/LA until friday (at most)

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:58 am

Vote: pisskop

Sheeping Nacho for now but...

@Mod: I'm not going to have any internet access from tomorrow until Tuesday

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:36 pm

Hi guys, I hate you all for hammering Ray while i was out and the day ended before I could even post anything =/
In any case I'm here now and I'm willing to answer any questions, also glad Wisdom has a head unlike his predecessor, and I still think pisskop's scum, Nacho still alive is making me paranoid, and the bjc kill is like wtf.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:39 pm

Guess you're right

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:41 pm

Anyways, wrt bjc kill, i dont really know what to think, i think pisskop's scum, but that would be too obvious of a NK if he is, dunno if it's because he's a newbie or because i'm wrong =/

PEd: I was mostly talking about yesterday's events.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:44 pm

Besides only Town-Wisdom ever thinks i'm scum anyway, so may I ask you, what changed from your "Abbott slot is super town because of his play" read?

PEd: Because bjc was tunneling on to pisskop all fricken game, and never wanted to lynch me at all so pisskop would take him out to get his way, that's why i find it to be too obvious if pisskop is scum.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:46 pm

In post 1667, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why do you think I could be scum?

You lynched obvtown Ray yesterday =/ and you're still alive.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:51 pm

heh I didn't remember that

PEd: Because your predecessor was tunneling on my slot and ignoring all my slot did, unlike your predecessor you do have your head on the right track there, and you opened other possibilities, iirc you had 3 scumspects yesterday, that's quite an improvement from your death tunneling.

PEd2: Oh right, I forgot all about that (Nacho's pressure vote), but why would you want to pressure someone as far as D2, and why did D2 end so effing early?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:08 pm

In post 1680, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1675, Sakura Hana wrote:PEd2: Oh right, I forgot all about that (Nacho's pressure vote), but why would you want to pressure someone as far as D2, and why did D2 end so effing early?
Because I made people lynch RayFrost, of course.
But I know, "you don't remember" that either.

He was in your lynch list...

In post 1425, Wisdom wrote:In any case, I believe that if we lynch {RayFrost, pisskop, Nacho} in any order we win the game.

So is Nacho, I don't see that as tunneling?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:11 pm

When you tunnel you only focus on 1 person, you had 3 suspects.

Also why are we arguing on the semantics of a tunnel?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:16 pm

Well that's how you look at it, I did like the fact that you had multiple suspects.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:33 pm

Of course he's right, considering I'm mislynchable and he's scum... and the fact that you're helping him achieve a mislynch is aggravating, and then you're probably going to blame it on me like you did with Bulba on Chain of Command.

Vote: pisskop

I really have no more doubts about this, since his mislynch push on me failed twice he started going after Nacho now.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:54 pm

In post 1694, Wisdom wrote:Sorry but pisskop is town and you're not getting him lynched under my watch

Yes totes town who's setting up lynches!

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:59 pm

In post 1679, pisskop wrote:Nacho is scum. Wisdom/Nacho was not a T/T interaction

^
Declaring your interactions with Nacho T/S interactions gives him an escape when Nacho flips town to go against you.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 1699, pisskop wrote:Quote where nacho is obvtown.

it's not exactly a "quote" thing, it's a gut feeling, but good news is, he's not obvtown anymore. As I've been expecting scum to kill him for quite a while.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:16 pm

In post 1702, Wisdom wrote:Again, why would they kill him?

I'll eventually explain everything, I can't really tell you at this point.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:37 pm

In post 1708, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1703, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 1702, Wisdom wrote:Again, why would they kill him?
I'll eventually explain everything, I can't really tell you at this point.
I think you should tell us.

I don't see any reason to do it right now, unless everyone wants me to...

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:47 pm

Because I kept trying to make him as obvtown as possible and he caught scum on D1? Also considering the fact that Nacho has a tendency to die early =/ I think you can easily figure out what I was trying to do.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:59 pm

Because scum needs to destroy townblocs and cause confusion?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:01 pm

That's how i saw it anyway, look at it from my PoV
Nacho's being obvtowned by most people except you.
You don't see Nacho as an easy lynch and he's pretty much dashing against TS and you and gets TS lynched.
You would undoubtedly NK Nacho to get that out of the way, because everyone else (except me) is townreading you anyways.

However that didnt work as intended because Ray didnt saw obvtown in Nacho and idr who else =/

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:12 pm

1) Yes
2) I'm torn between you and Nacho again, because if you were scum you wouldn't have any issues voting me atm since Wisdom is going after me.
3) No idea really, i guess the one who's scum between you and Nacho =/

Unvote

For now.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:16 pm

Actually i wanna know your answer to #3 as well.

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:20 pm

Doubt it, Nacho doesn't strike me of the type to bait someone into a NK, but the question is more oriented to IF Nacho gets lynched and flips town who would you go against on LyLo/MyLo tomorrow.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:57 am

In post 1724, Wisdom wrote:
You would undoubtedly NK Nacho to get that out of the way,
because everyone else
(except me) is townreading you anyways.
Wrong #2. Nacho is not townreading pisskop. And again, he would undoubtedly leave Nacho alone given my tunnel on him.

Nice changing the facts there, Sakura.

Not chaging the facts, don't twist my words.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:03 am

In post 1725, Wisdom wrote:Anyway, it's pretty obvious what Sakura is planning to do.

You mean it's pretty obvious what I've done this entire game =/

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:18 am

everyone

else

(when talking about pisskop NKing Nacho) and me neither, that's how that sentence is supposed to be read. I'm starting to wonder whether you're doing this on purpose or is just my english derping again =/

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:20 am

Besides this isn't changing the facts either:

In post 1724, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1716, Sakura Hana wrote: Nacho's being obvtowned by most people except you.
Wrong #1. Nacho was not obvtown by me, the exact opposite actually. Scum wouldn't kill someone who is pushed so heavily.

Nice of you to not quote the whole thing, when I was just saying what i was planning on D1 and then also said that it didnt work because not everyone was obvtowning Nacho?

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:22 am

In post 1736, Wisdom wrote:You're still not answering - why would pisskop kill Nacho when I was tunneling on Nacho that hard and after it became evident from the Ray lynch that I can make people sheep me?

I was hoping he would since he wanted me lynched and Nacho was defending me, but still it didn't happen *shrug*

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:25 am

Now that i think about it... Le Derp

It's obvious that my plan was bound to fail from the get go.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:29 am

So you think I've been setting up a fake claim since the momment I replaced in? wow...

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:58 am

From the momment I replaced in I intended to make Nacho obv NK target, which is why i read him as obvtown and tried to get others to do the same, this was because I read sometime (I don't remember where) that doc should try to lead scum to NK their intended heal target, which obviously didn't work. That's pretty much why I've been hardcore defending Nacho all game.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:07 am

Do you really think i've been fakeclaiming =/

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:12 am

Wisdom-Derp.

At least this proves that you can't read me worth anything and people shouldn't listen to your read on me ever.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:15 am

In post 1751, Wisdom wrote:That's what I was telling you when I was fakeclaiming doc

I know, doesn't change the fact that you've misread me on multiple games before and you're doing it again!

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:18 am

However pray tell then what have I done this game that is making you want me dead, since all I've seen is because I said you had a head here when you were tunneling and I didn't see you as tunneling back then.

Sakura Hana · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:52 pm

And now everyone dissapears =/

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:10 am

Vote: Sakura

Sigh... just finish me off im tired of you guys not believing me.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:15 am

We're never going to reach a majority on anyone unless kop self votes or I self vote anyway =/

PEd. I already said before I'm having issues between pisskop scum and Nacho scum. like 2 or so pages ago.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:25 am

The thing is... i'm not really sure anymore, I remember not liking his play on D1 and that's about it... D3 has make me doubt myself.
As for Nacho it's mostly gut, or at least i don't know it's just a feeling i have.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:27 pm

Ok so neither Nacho, kop nor ffery have hammered a claimed PR, this makes this a bit more easy for me

Unvote
Vote: Wisdom

Unless someone can tell me why scum wouldn't have hammered me so far i think wisdom's scum.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:28 pm

Also I love how Wisdom dodged my question since yesterday and pretends it never happened.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:08 pm

I don't remember what you're talking about, and if you're talking about the game where Cabd self-hammered then i honestly don't know why scum didn't hammer at that point, which is a good question, why didn't you hammer Cabd back then?

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:26 pm

=/

Unvote

I'm pretty sure I'm wrong somewhere, I just don't know where, my plan where drawing NKs towards my heal target didnt work probably because I made it too obvious, or probably not obvious at all but w/e point is, it didn't work as intended.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:55 pm

In post 1801, pisskop wrote:You have crumbs?

No i didnt crumb because I sux at crumbing anyway, all you can check is my overall play towards that goal while scumhunting.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:09 pm

The too obvious thing is that if scum have a roleblocker they are gonna suspect JK or Doc at the very least, so they probably thought that Nacho was an obvious protect choice. I realized this when i said that I derped.

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:34 pm

In post 1805, fferyllt wrote:It's like you haven't even considered the possibility that nacho didn't get nk'd because he's scum.

That's the possibility i'm considering right now!

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:36 pm

Or did you forget already I was considering Nacho like near the start of the day because he was still alive?

Sakura Hana · Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:17 pm

Because i was pretty certain kop was scum until today =/

Sakura Hana · Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:37 pm

Nacho, doesn't kop's posts today strike you as town?

Sakura Hana · Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:09 am

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:42 am

Coz I wanted it to seem that ppl who didn't want me dead were dying, At least I'm happy I fooled Nacho tho.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:43 am

You can see most stuff i was thinking in here:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ftZHGUX29hH Scum QT

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:56 am

Oh btw i killed ED because he bleed PR when he didn't want to be run up to claim.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:08 am

Btw Wisdom just because you scumread me every game and get lucky once, doesn't mean you know how to read me, just saying.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:15 am

I should have hammered you when I had the chance, but I felt accomplished enough by fooling Nacho up to him defending me this game that I felt I was done.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:15 am

^ the you refers to kop

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:25 am

I played a risky game overall, but it wasn't worth it, I liked the challenge tho. If you see from the QT my goal was to fool Nacho until the end.

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:40 am

It'll eventually come to the day where i'll fool ffery too... one day...

Sakura Hana · Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:41 am

Actually i think i would've managed that if i hadn't forgotten to "sort ffery"