Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[pisskop]

Yo.

unvote
vote: bjc

it looks like Im only here for a few days, but Ill see who's what.

bjc is scum (he saw what I can do) and this is probably nacho's fault somehow too.

will read up but on phone on 30 pages. Anyone care to post key points?

[pisskop]

you guys are getting hosed. troll-upped about like ponies. also, obvtown ray/nacho? ugg what a suspicious pair. hmm no . . . ill look at them especially.

bjc. is my rvs. a haha. ill substantiate if I keep it. btw Im on a phone until work week, so any help is coo.

[pisskop]

:rolleyes:

im L-2 and why shouldnt I vote him? POE is only good if the E checks out. Relax and let the Kop do his thing. Im looking for buddying and looking @ray, nacho, you specifically.

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jeepers, i can see why, err Rob, votes ika. at least back here he skivves me hard, and his nacho vote on pg4 blows hard with gambit.

[pisskop]

nope lynch me.

[pisskop]

wait, im L-2 wtf claim.

[pisskop]

VOTE: Pisskop

0.o. why you hurt me so?

8pages. Give me credit, im with old people (i.e. 35yrolds) talking. Distinctly liking raytown, and ika is back to not omgus. bjc seems town enough, albiet a biggole sheepdog on a wagon. LMB died, I hope.

Nacho's just mad I blamed him for my mess :p

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... bump

unvote

Ill take this facevalue. for now.

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Emerald is a lurker, different from my prior experience. hes on the scummy side, and I bet thats why he voted, insurance. 'mean ole pkop voted me.in retaliation!' >: [

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guys, whos my scummbuddy? i mean besidesme whos neck is out?

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Posting content is not equivalent to the content or the person being town. Even if the content in isolation is pro-town, it must also be considered in how it is delivered (word choice, etc), when it is delivered (after other people say the same thing?), why it is delivered (oh noes wagons on me?), and other things of similar nature.

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Content that does not further the process of finding scum or is posted in such a way as to indicate that the poster is scum is inherently not going to be pro-town content.

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If the game were as easy as "posters of content are town, posters of not-content are scum," then mafia would never have become an interesting or worthwhile game.

RayTown makes a point I think Ill be rehashing later.

pedit: whats with being so lynchhappy?

if i die tonight why would ts be worth lynching d3? if I flip town is he scummier? chill out, its bothering me.

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page 22. going to bed.

-----town

rayTown
hana - Aabott was town. you act just as town.
bjc - i gutread you here for a few reasons.

everyone else is null or less.

i do have specific quotes in mind.

@hana, nope, but I can inagine he was nothing special. Iwant to finish reading through first.

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ohh, one more thing. somebody from my townlist please expkain why nacho is obvtown? do not see it.

[pisskop]

fair enough. ^^

@tier, a few things. I almos posted several selects, but I can find them again after if they are so bothesome? i want to iso a few players, one for a percieved readflop.

[pisskop]

fair enough. ^^

@tier, a few things. I almos posted several selects, but I can find them again after if they are so bothesome? i want to iso a few players, one for a percieved readflop.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

i do have reads. its killing me not to blurt then out and see what sticks, but Im 12pgs behind and no iso yet. obvious statement though, scum know their way around a game.

@hana
okay, hes not like soo scummy I need to killhimnow, but I just didnt see obvtown.

[pisskop]

enough of your survivalism play. at this point your play is becoming more hindeirng to me then helpful if your town.

......... Okay. Whatever, someone hammer me so I can play in a different newb game.

^
Does this look like survivalist to you?
And if his play is hindering you then you're effectively pushing for a policy lynch, now that i finished reading im thinking on bjc as more town. Maybe because I've been in his position before.
Also Ika leaning more scum =/

it was a pure test to see his breaking point, he sat at l-1 for a very long time, and he continued to tryt o stall it out and push elsewhere. at first i thought it was flail scum, but his continued fight makes me think hes town. also his last post saying "fuck it lynch me" was all i needed to know to make me think hes town.

i still feel like there was survivalism play in it but it wasnt scum driven survivalism.

i come back and see pisskop first few posts. im almost tempted to sheep him becasue i still want to see a bjc flip becasue it would also contain info.

i was reflecting back on this game at work and was tossing an idea around

ts/bjc are the scums

i cant be the only guy reading this, and iys not the first time hes flopped on a read based on current events. killitwithfire. and a rope.

vote: ika

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so explain them. apparently you are lynch material if Im joining a wagon, and long/frequent posts =/=town.

as far as nachos request I claim, wifom under the bridge. hes not town to me,and he would have reason to say that no matter his alignment. dont generate content where there is none to be had.

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Yea youd be stupid to lynch me without the rest of my reads.

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its my playstyle to flipflop on reads, to L-1 IC in a gambity manner, and to repeatedly post yoyr intent to lynch several characters d2?
gtfofh with that. raytown expressed similar sentiment at that.

im not scum yo, i just play in a scummy fashion with several dubious wordgames that provide plently of emotional juice. you are scummy. if I am scum, display your logic. cold hard logic.

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pedit. youll wait for my to finish or have my blood on your hands.

[pisskop]

emotional appeal.

cold logic is what I want. is yourplaystyle anti-logic?

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dawww.

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quick, ika, answer my questions

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pretty anti town here . . .

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[/dawww]

it was a silly thing to expect me not to notice it after i specifically said i was watching you.

but you shook up ika's townread, i think.

[pisskop]

look monday ~1400 Ill begin my 3-8 nonsense. expect quotes, but ill spoiler= them if you.perfer.

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nope lynch me. but you are scum, and bjc youre a sheepdog.

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hana, is ika town? Im @ 700.

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Ika isnt?

if you want my read, wait until I read!

I will not be bullied into a claim without my reads.

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:/ hes scum afraid of taking any flak. the imagination is scarier than any reality.

He wanted to be sure he was justified.

pedit: look at this. ^^

'arrgh n' rage, pkopfound me out! hve a slice of emotiin while i flail at the loss of my towncred!'

I will be iso-ing him. i cant believe you guys were willing to lynch a flat lurker ina noobie game D1.

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ika is still town to me. You're not doing anything to help us either.

youve seen what I can do. now youll see it again. he is a twofaced scum. your defense of him is endearing though.

why is ika town. quotes please.

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why is ika town. quotes please.

jeepers, you answer mine perhaps ill answer yours.

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bjc, please set aside your agression for one second. read his iso and please honestly post at what point you were convinced he was town and why.

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ray, if ika is scum, who takes a towncred hit?

LMB, where are you?

tier, you come off as null to me despite your defense of my slot. anything to say?

pedit: if i read your iso begore monday ~1400 ill post something. the town surely understands how annoying quotes and phones can be?

but youre scummy.

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I think I know why you think nacho is town, and after game Id like to confirm it, although chances are well find out anyway.

Is everyone really reading ika as town on the strength of nacho/ray? mostly nacho, it seems.

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yea. taking a study break. going to look over isos soon enough.

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threats are challenge not to. you dudnt strip ika of hammer privilidges to do it yourself, so soon. youll get what i give you today, and the rest tomorrow.

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I don't know, I can't really get behind a Rob vote right now because he's posted twice I think, or maybe three times.

Hostile place

Your posting style makes me laugh.


Is this all that is gonna be offered? At this rate there won't be a replacement, and I don't wanna push for a policy lynch but... Really?

well, i was.looking at his iso and Im going to have to ask him more about this. willget back to why I thought he was town though.

bjc, is this a policy lynch, and why are you votingmy slot?

pedit, glad you are still with us.

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I think there's a little bit to be gained by the RobW flip, not a whole lot though. I think we're in a bind though: He posts just enough to not get replaced. So... What the hell is his usefulness to us?

@ ika - Want to know why I feel like "you won't lynch me?" Because I'm town. Just like you said you don't feel threatened due to being town, I feel like I won't be lynched because I'm town. There's a reason I'm wanting to know if someone has intent to hammer.

So tell me: Do you have a serious intent to hammer?

o.o ???

[pisskop]

lul well if im not scum than come tomorrow youll have this stain.on you.

you flipped like a pog in less than 100 posts.

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Good stuff koppie

:/ what do you want from me? i dont have an 8ball in my pants, you want reads you let me assess the info.

my reads from half a game gut-read bjc as town.

my current scumreads put emerald, ika, nacho, lmb, bjc, tier, hana, ray. bleh. now should I stop reading?

pedit: the above is, that post is bjc's.

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scummiest left.

[pisskop]

emerald is scummiest, ray towniest.

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o.h

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Spoiler:

Wow OK.

I'm here, I have real-life work to do today but I will be around to answer this thread.

So I'm at L-2, does anyone want to ask me anything? Or tell me why I'm scummy? Sakura, ika, bjc? The only question I've gotten so far is "Why Rob?"

We are running out of time, but I'd really rather not claim if I don't have to. is there any chance of a Rob W lynch today? Yes, Rob W could maybe just be lurking, but I've soured on the bjc lynch.

@tiershift did you read my last post directed at you? Any comments?

I don't really agree about Sakura being town, but I don't think we can deal with that right now. It looks like the only realistic lynches are Rob W or Tiershift, with an outside chance of bjc. In some ways Rob W + Tiershift scumteam makes sense, tiershift has been the most resistant to the Rob lynch.

Rob is probably going to get replaced with 48 hours left or something like that, his replacement will make a spurt of vaguely townish posts, and either we'll lynch him anyway or we won't. I feel like it'll be very difficult to get an accurate read on a completely new player in a day.

@ika
I can't tell if you're lazy or scum, but I'm hoping lazy. Let me quote for you the parts of the thread you should have read already:

Time is short, we're gonna have to lynch soonish. Post 670 from Tiershift actually felt townish to me, but maybe I am getting too caught up in it. I have always been OK with lynching Rob.

Rob is probably going to get replaced with 48 hours left or something like that, his replacement will make a spurt of vaguely townish posts, and either we'll lynch him anyway or we won't. I feel like it'll be very difficult to get an accurate read on a completely new player in a day.

The question is, do wait for the replacement in case he claims PR?

Claim.

nope lynch me.

Any questions?

why couldnt you let me die in ignorance? This isnt scum posting, and the lurkiness doesnt outweigh the towniness.

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1) was not anticipating this game.
2) Im not at acomputer, or only playing thisgame. life happens.
3) yea. by itself, thats towny yo. but lurker.
4) the impression i got reading was as lurker only surpassed by lmb or robw. this states a little otherwise.

do you think he is scum? ill iso you i guess?

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Right, I was saying that between 407 and 478 you dropped from 4th to 2nd. It doesn't matter now.

I'm going off of 505 because it's the last time you stated your case completely I think. These are the things I think are bugging you.
(1) sheeping: bjc sheeped hard in the early game, everyone knows it and he admits it. He played the early game very casually. But there is a town motivation for pushing wagons to generate content. It's not as good as actual pressure, but it's something.
(2) pushing Rob W: I think you're a bit off on this, as I said, he never voted Rob W. Where's the sheeping there?
(3) "Survivalism": 365 and 369 are actually consistent with the behavior of a town PR I think. Not saying he is one and I definitely don't want to force an early claim (and that's why there shouldn't be an early intent to hammer), but certain types of town players get panicky when they are close to a lynch.

You and bjc have been fighting a lot, and honestly it's generating more heat than light. My advice for both of you would be this: Take a step back. Even if you're sure he's scum, look around for his scum partner. Don't get caught up in OMGUS.

Okay, lemme respond to this.
1. His sheeping didn't generate anything at all, while making it seem like it did. He's done little to move this game forward but has been pretending he has.
2. He didn't vote robw, but he definitely told all his attackers to move to robw, for reason 'I'm active and he's not and we all have the same chance of being scum'.
3. Putting away scummy things as PR behaviour is awful.

I have been taking a step back and also been considering you as a serious suspect. But as far as I can see, you and bjc are not buddies. Bjc still stands out as scum to me way more than you do, especially after your last posts.

Your hardcore scumreading of me due to disengaging you is something that is a town analysis in every aspect and I would say you do a better job at helping us forward with the little you have posted than with all the crap bjc has posted. You seek reasoning behind what someone's doing except of just scratching the surface. Now what I'm asking of you is to not only do this on me, but also on the other players.

I have emerald as strong town again and you can all go deal with it.

Saying that I'm WK'ing him however is preposterous.

I want a bjc lynch badly and if I'm not getting it I might be okay with a robw lurker lynch.

does this stand? (emerald as town?)

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Im willing to see VI IKA, but then who? Nacho does not deserve obvtown even if he is town.

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OMG. Right. So stupid. Jailkeeper.

It literally took me this long to understand.

Ive read most of the ISOs, now out of interest.

aabott wasnt supertowny. most of his stuff was sociable, but strip away fluff and very null. hana too.

bjc lookingless hot to trot. More on tge scum side.

Lmb is nulltown. lurker, but some fair posts. I exclude his breadcrumb as wifom (and abbotts responde to it).

emerald rather town.

ika on the darker side of it.

nacho is decidedly not scumzzors, but wtf is in his head wrt lurking noobs. errgh, hes arguably a big lurker. you are either wrong or scum, and reading you I see more wrong. does anyone have site

attrition

replacement rates?

if im still alive ill post my business and claim. tier is looking town and i must admit I see his reasoning. will my death help clear him?

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Yo, so somebody ISO tier, abbott, hana and search for these names

---abbott

hana = 0 (:neutral:)
tiershift = 1 (1 match, defug?)
TS = 3 (only in read lists)

---hana

abbott 0 (yup, surprise)
tiershift = 5 (???)
TS = 16

---tiershift

abbott = 5
hana = 0


the only other person who holds a candle to this is LMB. But he's town.

analyzing Hana's posts on Tier seem to suggest me being town clears Tier. Game, set, match.

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Hi guys, I've been reading since i sent the replacement request and I'm currently at Page 17.

Reads as of now:
Town: Nacho, the snowman avatar guy, TS.
Scum: bjc, Rob, ED (which means im wrong about at least 1 of these)

Not in any specific order.

Unvote

In case my predecessor was voting someone.

He made several posts between those 2 you know...
more importantly:

How on earth is TS's above post pro town in any way?

I guess i should have noticed this before as well, but at the time I was too busy trying to sort TS myself as I already thought bjc was town enough.

So, now Tier and bjc swap? scummy.

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scum

BCJ
ED
ika

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RobW
Nacho
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town

TS
LMB
RF

Updated read list:

ED - townish
BJC - townish
RF - patronizing townie

TS - mildly scummy
Nacho - scum

ika - ? (ISO needed)
RW - ? (post or die)
LMB - ? (post or die)

wibbly wobbly much?

[pisskop]

You guys are trying to lynch a flat out lurker in a newbie game D1. a moment of silence foe bjc please . . . . . . Im VT.

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ebwop.

Tier has two hits for 'hana'. opps.

Ill look at it again, but superseriousclasstime is right now.

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[quote="In post 983

Why would you expect Sakura to comment on her predecessor by name? Or at all for that matter?[/quote]

I didn't. that's not the point of my post. I wanted to point out that tier and abbott/hana have had limited direct contact.
And 250 posts is enough time to change an opinion, but its a flip nonetheless. They both did it.

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Not when pisskop is still in this. Lol

Can you say Vendetta?

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What will town learn from my lynch? This IS trying to save my arse.

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Right now Id like to see how fferyllt reacts to the game, and push on bjc a bit.

But I expect some people to weigh in on my claim that tier/hana have been avoiding direct confrontations.

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Also, don't lynch me bro. and LMB to.

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abbott had 55 posts of 541 total posts. 9 players. More than 10%, even including mod. He wasn't lurking proper.

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This is his record.

Spoiler:

vote: Ika

strange pregame there.

unvote; vote: AbboTT

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

WTF is this?

unvote; vote: emeraldemon

Vote: ika

Why?

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.

unvote; vote: nacho

inb4 scum quickhammer.

Well I will admit my vote on Nacho was weak to some extent. It was mostly to make a wagon. Same crap I've done all game (try to spark discussion). If I didn't do that, I don't think ika would have put you at L-1 unless others voted, and who knows if you would've supplied more information. Hmmm...

I will also

unvote; vote: Abott

lol, quote wall with no commentary.

Anyway, for previously mentioned reasons (Way back before running off to my Physics discussion and Calc 2 classes...),

unvote; vote: Lynch Me Bro

Really, I don't care if people see this as more sheeping or an OMGUS vote. This is coincidence that ika voted him before me, oh well. I've laid out my reads up to post #109 and I am very happy with this vote.

I like those posts by LMB. Has any real pressure been put on ika this game?

unovte; vote: ika

I don't believe so.

unvote

so I fell asleep before doing the content I was going to do.

Dammit, EBWOP:

vote: Emeraldemon

Time to bring TS down.

unvote; vote: TierShift

as a side note, the f*** are you talking about TS? Every time the game stalled out I did something to at least help propel us forward. I drew attention to myself; I drew both scum on my wagon; I pointed out things I didn't like.

I'm sure if you asked TS he'd tell you I was the worst player evar at mafia.

Whatevs, bro. It's time we get a flip.

You also misinterpret what I said about rob to my "attackers" and you also conveniently missed my post when I originally made it!

vote: pisskop

definite buddying. but he's so unabashed. And my experience with bjc is that of an eccentric. Im not completely comfortable with it, but Ill entertain it.

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BJC L-1'd nacho. He was defensive of ika and sheeped him. Is he that much of a brazen player?

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through

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bjc is scummier the more I look. The ego in me wants hana to be scum now, but logic falls on him if I ignore my prior experience. and ika's performance is irksome.

Yes, bjc is looking good for a lynch.

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Yes pisskop, the more I push for your lynch the more scummy I become to you. Consider me not surprised.

I don't think your push on me is any scummier than anything else you've done. I never even mentioned it.

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,I still want this oversight examined. I was isoing arguements around tier and abbott lacked them.

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he was defending an essentially empty slot. he may as well have taken his logic/defense from a wiki or FAQ.

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I would like a link to replacement data, esp from newbie games. I was under the impression most dropouts were town.

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ive already claimed, tier/hana have some splanin to do, and i cant account for lurker.

Tier has made it clear he was defending the slot because it was a zero content slot. now its not.

1) am i scummy enough to lynch?
2) will my death answer more than anothers?
3) where is lmb? seriously.

pedit: thanks. on phone so i would have been at that for awhile. . .

[pisskop]

a newbie is 1.5 times more likely to replace out as scum

so, That leaves us with a 60% 40%. Ill take those odds.

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a newbie is 1.5 times more likely to replace out as scum

so, That leaves us with a 60% 40%. Ill take those odds.

60% of replacement are slotted as scum
40% are town.

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So, hana/fferlyt/pisskop/lmb. we all placed in, each w/a 60% chance of being a scum.

nacho, im going to browse your provided data when i get time. again.

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hana, do you have specific evidence that those who did not pick up pm are exempt from this?

[pisskop]

You are subject to the same statistics. :p

abbott even dropped out like robw.

but seriously .lurkers no lurking.

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sigh. wow, look at those scum se replacement win rates.

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so do i get insulted or happy?

-Ill compromise with a joyous froth, a righteous rage.

have an aol-old

[pisskop]

or thats really code for a smiley here too.

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well jeepers, bjc unvoting me? its like I won the lotto!

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Spoiler:

@ika
So you want to wait a few days to start scumhunting? Maybe scum will confess on their own?

To answer your question, no, I don't think people usually randomly switch votes in RVS. I don't think bjc's vote was random, I think he had a reason. I wanted to hear from him what that reason was. The fact that you're intercepting and trying to stop me from asking a very reasonable question makes me suspicious of you. Maybe you'd rather keep the fluff rolling as long as
possible.

Why the fuck was there exactly zero response to me laying out a big post about bjc and changing my reads? It doesn't sit well with me at all, I get that most of the players are lurking right now, but why didn't bjc OR ika OR tiershift say anything?

Why should I post shit if it's gonna be ignored?

ika you blew off my actual analysis so that you could engage in another pointless time-wasting game. Day ends soon. Stop the BS.

Rayfrost don't start with me, I am pissed off at you also. You really think what we need is more games with 4 days to lynch?

bjc, you have zero excuse for ignoring my post, you just continue to say "ED is still scummy" without even trying. Was that whole thing scum theater to throw you off your game? Or are you just being lazy? Have your reads changed at all in the last week?

I will come back later and try to post more productively, but I am too annoyed to be helpful right now.

Oh and I didn't drop to second scummiest, I was already there.

Nope:

TOWN
Nachomamma - I agree with almost every post from him that isn't about ika
lynch me bro - newbtown all the way
RayFrost - I like your ability to write in complete paragraphs
Abbott - null still
tiershift - aggressively townreading me, not sure if this is a test
ika - badfeels
bjc - probably scum
Rob W - The real test will be if we get him to L-1
SCUM

Look, it's totally fair to call me out for lurking, I have been a shitty town player this game, and the fact that all of our experienced players are getting prodded / replaced has made this kind of a shitty game (plus the one intentional newbie lurker). But if you're really town, reread what I wrote and think about it. I think you're probably wrong about bjc.

He's never not going to be like this in terms of the quality of his logic, but that doesn't make it so that we can't read him for sincerity / transparency tells. Which, if you were a transparency tell kind of person, you'd be able to do pretty easily off of his posting.

. . . oww. you, you say that in two months. Ive got 1completed game under me and im learning all the time. i think being scum is easier for me, though. :/


ed is ehh for me. id be willing to vote him for a trip because info is good.

unvote
vote: emeralddemon

emerald, i do want you to lay out any rayfrost suspicions you have clearly though.

im willing to see where this goes, ehh?

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L-1.

no hammering now

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wow, nothing gets past you!

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:/ I suppose that was as bad as hana's. i thought since the vc isback aways id try it.

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do tell when you get there. feedback >= play. at least right now.

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I am not a fan of using meta, let alone meta off of one game. At the very least, if you're going to meta someone, have three games per alignment to be able to get a feel for style consistency / adaptations with regard to differences in situation.

If you can't fulfill that minimum, I am unable to even accept meta as reason for anything.

P-edit: I am partial to death by brownie explosion.

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I think it depends on how you use meta. Meta-ing a new player is usually more about predicting a development curve than pattern-matching.

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feedback on my to date play is greater than or equal to more chances to play for the purposes of improving play.

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youre not town. to me.

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:/ im going to go back to my book now. mb.

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Yo drop that hammer.

What? No. I want his suspicions on Ray aired first.

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and then if.

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I refer to sakura as sakura, not as hana.

yup

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Ray's in a current game w/me.

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sigh.

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sigh.

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@pisskop
I am still waiting to hear why you hopped on my wagon.

info.

[pisskop]

fferylt or hana if I had my way right now.
I think bjc would tell us the most from a lynch, though, seeing how controversial he is/was.
I want to suspect nacho, but I keep finding no good reason to.


And I asked you about Ray because I have no clue what scumRay is like.

Hana's been looking for a reason to tie me a bowtie, and ika weirds me.

The issue I have is its clear that we all know how to blend in, and post content as scum. I saw no clear logic failings, no nasty pushes with suspicious wording, nothing.

LMB I haven't even seen post yet. where is he? I think his JK breadcrumb was crap, though. Easy to fake, and easy to pull out of a hat when needed.

[pisskop]

fferylt or hana if I had my way right now.
[...]
Hana's been looking for a reason to tie me a bowtie, and ika weirds me.

Neither of those things are scummy though, are they?

Taken without emotion, ika deserves to be lynched several times over.

[pisskop]

its my playstyle to flipflop on reads, to L-1 IC in a gambity manner, and to repeatedly post yoyr intent to lynch several characters d2?
gtfofh with that. raytown expressed similar sentiment at that.

im not scum yo, i just play in a scummy fashion with several dubious wordgames that provide plently of emotional juice. you are scummy. if I am scum, display your logic. cold hard logic.

Pregame RVS, oddity, Flip-flops on read, IC vote to L-1, hops madly speculating about D2 lynches, several emotionally based games and the whole dubious playstyle defense. His playstyle gets him only so far.

[pisskop]

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

[pisskop]

wagons = info.
wagons = power.
wagons = as useful now as they were in RVS.
wagons = pressure, unless somebody calls them out like this.

I wagoned emerald and I think he's towny. Imagine Tiershift now . . .

[pisskop]

I hope you have an agenda. Im wiling to see where it goes.

[pisskop]

Wagoning itself wasn't a fault I claimed he had. In fact, I originally read bjc as town

despite

his shameless wagoning/sheeping.

[pisskop]

The worst that happens is he gets quickhammered and we pounce on the hammerer tomorrow. the best is you were wrong and we lynch you as scum. In between I discover Im a sillyhead and change my read appropriately.

pedit. Yea, I had an issue with the way he L-1'd nacho, without any real security against a quickhammer.

ppedit

Spoiler:

nacho and bjc are probable towns

/discuss

Why did you move your vote to abbott?

why do you care is the bigger question here?

Really? You don't care?

His first vote might have been random, hard to say, but switching votes definitely isn't.

so you say a second vote is never rvs?

so right now if i went like this

unvote
vote nacho

would it be a random vote or not? im askign why you care about his sudden vote switch to anohter player who is not you. if the vote was on you i could see more reasoning, but you just going "???" is offsetting

its a second vote near begining of game, why should i care?

if this was maybe mid day 1 or day 2 then i would but here i dont see anything odd. im wanting to know why you think its odd

VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.

This flip flop and poorly-timed vote looks like a bus to me. Part of why I am weary of nacho.
So yea. I don't consider it bad because its a wagon.

[pisskop]

@emerald

You are already voting me. Not going to get any worse from you.

Fact is somebody's getting lynched and I never held high hopes for this spot.

[pisskop]

@fferylt If you think im town your vote would be better served elsewhere.

[pisskop]

fine. Im looking him over anyway. Because stuff I cant say.

[pisskop]

That's me trying to save my arse by working with the devil. If both scum support my lynch than its likely going through. maybe I need to stop thinking of mafia as a political game.

[pisskop]

Not really, and not as much as yours.

What will you learn if I die? If I was scum.

[pisskop]

In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .

Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.

[pisskop]

soooooo. \o/ wagons!

[pisskop]

ehh itll be a relief not to have to defend a damned position. but you should wait for the replacement.

what are your stats on double replacements?

[pisskop]

If I found juicey nuggets I would have shared them. I think his playstyle here is very open, and while looking over his specific choice of wording I get all tingly. one of my newer insights inti the game are choice of wording and how it changes under pressure. or if scuk popushing an angle. other than that yiu can have what I saved in a draft last night.

Spoiler:

I think that Tier may be using my slot a verification of his own, which is why he was okay defending it. I've stated something of the sort before. Another point is his pursuit on bjc. bjc has let him sit rather idle whilst looking like a scumhunter.

No, actually scum don't quickhammer on this site.

Saying I'm afraid to be lynched is pretty groundless your activity was worthless to me and I refuse to be lynched solely because of that and that's the last I'll say about that activity.

P-edit:
Fuck you get me paranoid about ed now...

o.o

Aside from that its all wifomy and Stuff.

I want a wagon on him, not to share my theories or to lynch him now.

[pisskop]

Is this supposed to be a case or what?
In post 1206, Sakura Hana wrote:
TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.

Uh...I'm buddying kop? Start reading this thread.

would you be willing to.leave my wagon alone? I ultimately got what I wanted out of it, just not from you.

[pisskop]

im very okay with lynching hana. on my wishlist, after all.

[pisskop]

you're very ok with lynching just about everyone >_>

nope, and I can prove that in-game too.

[pisskop]

unvote
vote: hana sakura

[pisskop]

@pisskop
I am still waiting to hear why you hopped on my wagon.

info.

never intended to lynch emerald, but to drag him front and center for info.

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

not superserious hands. i wanted tier to provide infos.

I hope you have an agenda. Im wiling to see where it goes.

wagons = info.
wagons = power.
wagons = as useful now as they were in RVS.
wagons = pressure, unless somebody calls them out like this.

I wagoned emerald and I think he's towny. Imagine Tiershift now . . .

again, wagons are info, pressure. you called me out. o never called tier scum here, I left you all (him mostly) insinuate it.

In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .

Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.

I do want tge most competent case on Ray I can get. because I dont know scumRay. i wish I did . . .

i ask you for questions for tier, which nobody produces. so he answers my question about ray instead.



I had no intent of lynching emerald or tier. I didnt call tier scummy in my wagon post either.

as far as others, i havent voted for bjc yet, aside of rvs. nacho hs not enough evidence. lmb was too towny by most to be, and i had zero audience with him.

no, however nonsensical you percieve my actions they are focused on a few people and follow a pattern.

[pisskop]

That isn't the point I was trying to make tho.
The point i was trying to make is that the post you quoted is a post i have made to give key points i remembered from the thread to pisskop.
I do have a tendency to sheep Nacho, specially when I believe he's town tho.

Would you stop hiding behind nacho please? Thanks.

VOTE: Tiershift

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

Yes...what's up with that sheeping?

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

Why are you voting with your scumread?

This.

In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .

Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.

Rayfrost is town to me. His actions have brought this game forward and his reasons to vote come from a town mindset I think. He's been good at picking out flaws and keeping a cool head. I could elaborate if you want.

If I found juicey nuggets I would have shared them. I think his playstyle here is very open, and while looking over his specific choice of wording I get all tingly. one of my newer insights inti the game are choice of wording and how it changes under pressure. or if scuk popushing an angle. other than that yiu can have what I saved in a draft last night.

Spoiler:

I think that Tier may be using my slot a verification of his own, which is why he was okay defending it. I've stated something of the sort before. Another point is his pursuit on bjc. bjc has let him sit rather idle whilst looking like a scumhunter.

No, actually scum don't quickhammer on this site.

Saying I'm afraid to be lynched is pretty groundless your activity was worthless to me and I refuse to be lynched solely because of that and that's the last I'll say about that activity.

P-edit:
Fuck you get me paranoid about ed now...

o.o

Aside from that its all wifomy and Stuff.

I want a wagon on him, not to share my theories or to lynch him now.

Is this supposed to be a case or what?

TS > kop interaction could be buddying tho.

Uh...I'm buddying kop? Start reading this thread.

I'm just going to say I derped and forgot all about trying to sort ffery

How would you forget this?

In the hypothetical situation where bjc is scum for sure without a doubt with interactions akin to this game, there would have been, I'd imagine, a tipping point at which either bjc's buddy was attempting to consistently raise counterwagons (not just one, as consistently trying to push a single one could come across as scummy via the t.v. issue whereas finding things scummy for multiple people is more liable to be seen as active scumhunting and mere disagreement with the bjc wagon) or given up the ghost and gone for the bus. These wouldn't necessarily happen at the same time, but the simple fact that I haven't seen much evidence of people trying to subtly snipe the wagon's momentum or distract from the wagon itself or even a bus makes me inclined to feel that it's simply an issue of too many low hanging fruit for bjc to be lynched.

I try to understand this. So, because you haven't been able to drop any associative tells, you think that bjc is not scum?

I like this new guy's entrance.

What I don't understand is all the townreads that koppie has been getting all of a sudden. How did he go from flailing scum to obvtown? Can someone assemble a summary or something?

right now with tge amount of legwork you put in I cant say you or lmb are good.

which leaves me hana sakura( ), bjc. nacho. ive never hidden my distrust of nacho in this game.

p sure I haven't called your actions nonsensical

perhaps not, but this is a communication at least 8 others will read as well.

I don't understand this. Who is "you"? And do you mean "questions for tier to answer

in this case, You voted him, and I thought you intended to question him.

Who is "you"? Me?

I left you all (him mostly) *to* insinuate it

'you all' would include you.

[pisskop]

I believe thet refer to my honesty, my willingness to be frank even when it hurts my cause. like admitting i had no tiershift case but still tried to wagon him. which i explained I did for infos, but nvmt.

[pisskop]

hana's L-2 . . .

[pisskop]

Literally everything pisskop ever posts comes across as scum to me.

this is seeming truth from him. its siggable, aftet this game.

[pisskop]

. . .

[pisskop]

vote: Hana sakura

Nachos my second choice.

[pisskop]

Yo, so somebody ISO tier, abbott, hana and search for these names

---abbott

hana = 0 (:neutral:)
tiershift = 1 (1 match, defug?)
TS = 3 (only in read lists)

---hana

abbott 0 (yup, surprise)
tiershift = 5 (???)
TS = 16

---tiershift

abbott = 5
hana = 0


the only other person who holds a candle to this is LMB. But he's town.

analyzing Hana's posts on Tier seem to suggest me being town clears Tier. Game, set, match.

I know we all kinda dropped it but its still here. 'sakura' returned 9 results instead of the 2 for 'hana' in tiers iso.

which meant that 2 were the names of quotes and one was a mention of how he called 'hana' 'sakura'.

they already knew each others alignment.

[pisskop]

nacho is second ahead of fferylt because

lurker, by choice or not.
cop got dirked. ed was not imo tge best nk if I were scum. not off his posts and votes. nacho seems good at sniping PRs.
Ff did super legwork i have to respect, even if I suspected ika. but tier did call ika a vi. . .

[pisskop]

VOTE: PISSKOP

Ow. right in the confirmation bias!

[pisskop]

I think bjc is town.

hes wanted tier dead half the game, for one.

[pisskop]

for two, bjc the amount of controversy bjc suffered was caused in great part by tier.

[pisskop]

nope your allcapsbold vote supports my bias

tbh im fairly sure its hana by now. or you. or maybe hayate for lylo.

[pisskop]

So.

No, we talked. I listed three people in order of who I wished to kill, number 2 was the D1nk.

Does my willingness kill ppl who townread me mean anything in this context?

[pisskop]

o.o

lets lynch her now. so we can all shake hands and move on. I may lack the finesse and logical determination of ya'll but I called it.

ill.mark a second V down for myself.

[pisskop]

but . . . but. . .
you can lynch me D3, or in jmos upcoming game. Keep trying, eventually youll get me!

[pisskop]

and ftr, i was looking at tiers arguements with others when I noticed abbott had none and sakura's were weaksauce.

[pisskop]

Lynch her. We don't need him, and you can lynch me tomorrow if We're wrong. Im telling you its Sakura and Nacho if Im wrong.

She buddied the bullocks out of nacho, and he cant let go.

[pisskop]

Stop messing around. Kill hana

[pisskop]

Nope. Not what she asked.

Why is he less horrible?

[pisskop]

I don't see it. I have suspicions, but I don't see it any more than I see Obvtown you.

[pisskop]

L-1.

Nacho. Its her or you, Im pretty sure of it.

[pisskop]

So i want an opinion on lmb. hes ehh to me, lylo scum, but this seems like a townie getting bored. if hayate was scum shes got almost no heat. bjc and I mentioned her.

[pisskop]

pedit. hi wisdom. are you scum? I wont be mad at you.
Tiershift was scum

Abbott/hana had minimal contact with him.
tiershift defended my slot and for awhile i his.

Nacho is my backup choice.

[pisskop]

no.

we have hana. shes here. rays. . . there.

tbh I saw his early defensive wifom arguements and flagged them. and his posts seem to glaze into a certain brand of idle chatter but theyre typically hypotgetically right and looong/detailed enough to impress upon me a thought bubble. also very open.

So ive sheltered some suspicion if him and even asked wagons to state a claim to him.

Okay. I dont really feel comfortable doing it yet, but logically we have 4 chances to bag scum02. Is scumray this subtle.

also: oww.

[pisskop]

my gut turned over while reading a few of your posts. they seemed focused on the wrong things. but without anything tangibly off to.pull out of it i let them go. It was enough to make me ask ed and tier about this idea of you.

also: oww, was a reference to my tiresome style of spamming. Obvs I need to make adjustments or wallow as middlemeat.

[pisskop]

If we kill.me today hes gunning after ray tomorrow. then lylo.

[pisskop]

shuddup sheepdog. its hana.

[pisskop]

they had zero, i repeat zero interaction. abbott and tiershift. I originally read abbott as town too.

strip away his fluff. its pleasant but all fluff. why is he town, once the nicities are gone?

[pisskop]

Ill get online and try to explain what I mean. hopefully tomorrow.

[pisskop]

Finally, why LMB's breadcrumb is town:

As scum, this whole scenario is dropping a fake crumb and then creating a fake reaction test off this fake crumb and then attacking a fake experienced off this fake crumb and off this fake reaction test is all for towncred. There's no way he could expect the lynch to go through on RayFrost considering having no real reason to call him scum over others, and I doubt he took the time to plan this out as scum considering its a lot of effort for not a lot of gain and a fucking crazy thing to think of. I think as scum he may have crumbed, and held onto it for later so that he could bolster a JK claim later; I don't think that new scum would plan out a gambit this elaborate for towncred and nothing but towncred right out of the gate.

I agree with this.

This is his last interaction with nacho. Presumably he is satisfied with nacho. Even starts sheeping him.

WHY? there was no conclusion, just a drop of the case and a move onto others. First ika, then some Rob.

[pisskop]

Im in the ISO now, but confbias or not its all fake to me.

Point out abbott's towniness. Lets go with at least three quotes.

[pisskop]

a conclusion would be not sheeping the dickens out of nacho while completely ignoring him and getting increasingly lurky. They were mid-discussion and abbott just dropped it. Nacho seemed in defensive mode to me, so I imagine he was relieved enough not to care.

@Nacho: Wednesday evening. The whole chain of posts looked like it was driven by some sort of manufactured emotion to me. I wasn't

just

trying to be inflammatory with my drunk/high comment. I really would have accepted that as a plausible answer lol.

95 & 98: you give two separate commentaries on the same exchange you and I had. Like a drunken guy in an argument, "Aah...ahhnnd another thing!"
96: you curse at bjc.
98: All caps at me. Losing your cool. You proclaim I am the "only decent wagon" (except maybe bjc)


p-edit: I get that, Nacho. But I get what sort of test that would supposedly be. It seems useless. What would it prove? Please. Like I'm a stupid toddler.

95 was a catchup post and a response directed at you. 98 was a case and thus directed at everyone except for you.
I swear a lot, it's not an indication if emotion.
Caps isn't losing my cool; it's emphasizing a point. Calling you the only decent wagon doesn't actually mean I'm throwing a fit; it's just my opinion.

Defensive Nacho is not necessarily scum nacho. But defensive nacho is apparently glad to be done with the case.


Nacho, what makes Abbott towny? Hana's actions?

[pisskop]

hana, nacho, wisdom. Ive said this before, in this order.

ill by tomorrow to dink the raws.

[pisskop]

Wisedom wont present a case, so of course he must be right?

Lynch the Hana. because Abbott.

[pisskop]

abbott had NO interaction with tier.
abbotts case on nacho was built around an OMGUS I never saw nacho make.
Abbott's posts were full of fluff that was fairly feelgood.

Even your predecessor saw Hanas slot as scum.

[pisskop]

No, im sure the first is in a nine person game.
and the second is situational.

gah,

[pisskop]

It raises flags on the best of days. scum dont have to ignore each others but they have and do. youre suggesting town abbott ignored scum tier, which raises my eyebrow at abbott. And to boot hana's interactions with tier are fluffy.

But fine, ill lookit rays earlier interactions while im at abbotts.

[pisskop]

Nope. Im failing to see it.

VC 1.19

pisskop (L-1):

Nachomamma8 | emeraldemon | Sakura Hana | bjc

bjc (L-3):

Lynch Me Bro | TierShift

emeraldemon (L-4):

RayFrost

TierShift (L-3):

fferyllt | pisskop

Not Voting:

No one

The deadline is

in Feburary 6, 5:00 PM EST.

paused.
Deadline counter:

(expired on 2014-02-06 17:00:00)

Unvote, vote: tiershift

Actively against voting for pisskop at this stage in the game. If you guys could read transparency tells this would make more sense to you. Pisskop's genuine as hell.

bjc's an iffy lynch choice due to the fact that he's been hovering on the edge of a knife the majority of the game day now without any of several cases being able to really push it through

I am a personal fan of emeraldemon lynch because I feel his posting has been lackluster on the whole. There's frustration tells, but the frustration reads to me as caught for the wrong reasons frustration rather than you're wrong and goddammit listen to me reasons. Self-preservation levels are abnormal to me when I read over the height of suspicion on him. He's not quite fully devoted to the whole self-preservation thing but the air of "fine I find teh scumzies lynch me idc" comes across as forced rather than genuine. Compare posting of this style to the frustrated posts and you can tell a distinct difference in how they come across. Modulation in style reveals removal of genuine self in place of a facade, which is indicative more likely of scum than town.

It's 3:32 am. I am going to go die now.

[pisskop]

Wisdom, I read and present or quit dickin about.

[pisskop]

Wisdom, I read and present or quit dickin about.

Wisdom, read and present or quit dickin about

[pisskop]

I suppose.

Note to self: hardcore defend scumbuddy d1 when in game with tiershift.

Heh. It's actually pretty hard to genuinely defend a scumbuddy, whose scummy things you can see and need to avoid and then make it seem like you didn't.

So, who are you gonna defend starting now?

Since I'm not scum, I don't really need to do this now do I?

I'll stick with how I've been playing, thanks. While we're here, though, can you point out to me what about ika's posting seems genuine to you?

In other news:

Hana
Wisdom
Nacho

lets lynch 'em

[pisskop]

Q+

[pisskop]

o.o

okay. Ray I intend to hammer.

[pisskop]

vote: Rayfrost

[pisskop]

Why the fuck did you vote him so quickly without a case?

[pisskop]

VOTE: PISSKOP

Vote: RayFrost

i still don't think pisskop is town

Vote: pisskop

I'm down for RayFrost lynch actually.

Vote: RayFrost

Just what sorting are you doing? You're flip-flopin. This seems very erratic from you, and I rather townread you for it, actually.

[pisskop]

Not sure I agree.

[pisskop]

Well, Nacho seems townier with his flopping. He doesn't strike me as impatient, usually.


pedit
Is that scum nacho?

[pisskop]

No, Im sure it'd hana or wisdom still

[pisskop]

o.o

You know what else you don't do as town? You don't try to overly defend like you're doing right now

[pisskop]

Can we PLEASE kill 'kop tomorrow?

No. I don't see how you scumread me. Im totally more careful as scum, and just splayed out as town.

[pisskop]

Its rather perturbing that these two games will ruin my reputation.

But, Killing you seems to have been a plus, Ray.

I still like Wisdom/hana lynches.

[pisskop]

Ohh, a comment to a finished game.

[pisskop]

And only applicable to a rather small circle of ppl, anywho.

[pisskop]

So. And then there were five.

[pisskop]

Ff, do you still agree on town nacho?

[pisskop]

bjc was almost universally town. i actually expected Ff as the nk.

but, bjc is quite lynch happy. a tad unpredictable

[pisskop]

:/ Are you trying to imply Im the only one here who would kill bjc? I just told yoy that Ff was my expectation. You keep your unbackable theories on my logic out of this.

This a nasty move from you. You would do well to note I care more about controlling the dayphase than prs as scum.

pedit

vote: nacho

his excuse is my.inexperience? cmon.

[pisskop]

thats not what you just just implied, nacho. why are you changing your story?

[pisskop]

Scum nacho is scum.

analyzing the nk. and lynching off it. real classy. and Im glad you crumbed suspicions of hana before too.

pedit
nacho, you assumed bjc was killed over doc pr. tgen you explained how hana was too ecperienced. im on a phone, but ill peg you down.

heh, you even flopped over to saying I killedbjc over his towniness.

[pisskop]

How so?

Do you think you would make that kill as scum? Why?

It's either VT and goon or mafia roleblocker and doctor.

Either our doc has been quiet or it's VT and goon.

And do you really kill bjc for doc after he drops a not-doc tell right before nightfall?

I doubt Sakura would make the kill because she respects ffery and might shoot ffery, plus ffery correctly suspects her. She could shoot you or me and likely leverage one of us against the other; I haven't showed many signs of being willing to vote you and I'm also a pretty proficient expert in not getting lynched because of shitty tunnels, but you dying during the night after yesterday means that I look significantly worse and you're not around to flip flop and tunnel her.

Vote: pisskop

Ff, he appeals to wisdom, explaining how W is too experienced to kill doc.

Then he grabs that bjc kill iscontingent on him being a doctor

tgen he states Hana would kill Ff, and not bjc. Hes dropped that crumb on hana for tge final day now, too.
hr demonstrates that he clearly thought hard about the nk already. How long has tge town known about tge nk? I assert not long enough to deduce all of this third quote.

Hes jiving us, and his defensive stances i noted are not tge erractic town but him pushing.

[pisskop]

Nacho is appealing to each of you individually.
Nachohas a rather in-depth analysis of the nk already.
Nacho has precrumbed suspicion of hana,
Nacho is scum. Wisdom/Nacho was not a T/T interaction

[pisskop]

Then he grabs that bjc kill iscontingent on him being a doctor

Actually, I said the opposite

im notplaying this game with over the phone. too hard. tomorrow.

[pisskop]

youte not. this nacho I recognize

[pisskop]

Ff, you are the line, as expected.

I agree on hana still, but Nacho.

Hana, if Im trying to lynch you why bother with wisdom? If nacho flips town its lylo.

I asked you a question hana, some time ago. Quote where nacho is obvtown.

[pisskop]

Nacho isnt so scary to me, honestly.

He has a certain twist of words he applies to his posts when scum. Which is why in not playing his word game tonight.

Hanas readchange comes off as more organic than not to me. And nacho breadcrumbing about her absence helps me feel better on her.

[pisskop]

nope. err 1 now

[pisskop]

but he wasnt obvtown. hell, I was stretching nulltown out of him.

[pisskop]

1) So you read nacho as town to bait help vait me into nking nacho?

2) Who is scummiest now?

3) Who is you current lylo pick?

[pisskop]

. . . hmmmm okay.

[pisskop]

Nacho, she read you as town on Day1 to help bait me into an obvious nk. how does this make you feel?

[pisskop]

3) :/ I think Its a tossup. Nacho sounds like one half.

[pisskop]

Hi guys, I've been reading since i sent the replacement request and I'm currently at Page 17.

Reads as of now:
Town: Nacho, the snowman avatar guy, TS.
Scum: bjc, Rob, ED (which means im wrong about at least 1 of these)

Not in any specific order.

Unvote

In case my predecessor was voting someone.

Can you tell me what made you flip to ika scum?

Read my ISO some things have caught up my attention after replacing in, but im willing to work with Nacho's read of him for the time being.

So from my PoV, lynching the Rob saves the mod having to look for a replacement, and has a statistically higher chance of being scum, both from actual statistics and personal experience from replacing into newbie slots.
While Tier has more interactions that can be analyzed, and him flipping scum would implicate a scum Rob as well ANYWAY, while a Town flip would leave us with a possible bjc scum. So I think TS would be a priority for me, I want to hear Nacho's and Ray's opinion on the matter (and p.much also everyone on Nacho's TBloc)

Nacho, talk to me. Who do you want lynched out of TS and Rob and why over the other.

It makes me think nacho is wanting a quick lynch on rob.

Nacho wants to wait for the replacement too u know.

34 pages shouldn't be that hard to read up on IMO, but one thing we want from you is reads with a 3-8 sentence reasoning as to why for each and you kind of need to read the thread for that.
Ray and Nacho are obvtown.
Nacho has a Ray, me, ika, Nacho, bjc, LMB townbloc.
You're being PoE'd as possible scum and we were waiting on the replacament (a.k.a you).

What's with the vote on bjc when you haven't even read the thread?

Nacho, she read you as town D1 so she could bait me intoan obvious nightkill. how does this make you feel?

Wisdom and Ff, please also contribute your feels on the matter.

[pisskop]

you.
are.
no.
fun.

[pisskop]

Nacho. cmon guy. you know better than this.

1) not that naked speculation is good, but Id kill Ff for being so damn indecisive/town. bjc is small change. and you? I was pushing you as backup scum hslf the game. Killing you when Ive heard almost six people say you livibg to endgame is suspicious is silly

2) bjc kill is obvious. As obvious as obvtown nacho.

3)

[pisskop]

I dont have a three, but if I did itd be good.

[pisskop]

Maybe I wouldn't on hana. I promise.

[pisskop]

Besides, if she flips town Id prefer to have a lylo plan in place.

[pisskop]

Not the time for you to do this.

[pisskop]

Initially I did not like the Nacho/Tier interactions. Buss-Buss for a 'irrelevant but in-depth' convo to get the creds.

Spoiler:

Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.

He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.

Bus.

Hey, nacho. Good to have you in here. I agree that there maybe is a slight hint of fencesitting in abbott's play, but it's way too early to do your famous cases and get all these newbies to believe you have found scum already. They see you a a god, yaknow

Ika, agreed, bjc's willingness to sheep is quite bothersome.

Bjc, why do you sheep so much?

Is the idea that he was trying to pretend like he was a PR?

Why would a PR use "JK" as a breadcrumb?

seek reactions? see if anyone reads inbeween the lines. really you have to ask the person themself.

well after all that i feel like nacho will give us the most information.

VOTE: nacho

his slotting most ppl as town for his reasoning are plausable but some of his post are just out there and seem off. His reads give indication that he knows that they are town and he is doing it to try to keep distance. He also has not given us anything on timeshift as if hes tring to distance himself from him while giveing reads about everyone else atm.

my decision is 99.9% final on nacho/timshift.

timesift also seems to have the same type of posting where he says ray is "misguided town" and tbh i belive it, but if thats the case, how would he exactly know or be so accraute about something like that?

im willing to go at these 2 atm.

Very big lol at the bolded
I never said ray is misguided town?
Your case on both me and nacho makes no sense. Explain further please.

??? ika, I must apologize.

Something I need to point out to the new players: people defending other people does

not

mean they are scumbuddies. Scumbuddies mostly avoid each other as to not draw attention to them.

I don't really understand all the scumreads ika has been getting. I might say I'm annoyed by his posting but it does feel genuine.

I don't particularly like LMB's entrance, just restating the case that emerald did before. Do give that buttload of evidence, though.

Im reading this post and this is one of those post that rubs me wrong after reading others and responses, Especialy the sencond part about me. It almost feels like you are trying to fencesit here. The last sentance really rubs me wrong if he is jk or think that his breadcumb for fk is not good. I personally disliked it as well due tot he fact on how stuble it was and how he expected everyone to see it. But i see where hes was coming from now.

I didn't think his entrance, the JK crumb, was particularly alignment indicative and I don't understand why nacho and abbott do. I was talking about his 193, which was uninspired and echoing what emerald said before.
And I don't believe I'm fencesitting about you, I have said that I think you are town and that I don't understand the scumreads. Is that fencesitting to you?

Hardcore defending at the start of day 1 usually means they are not scumbuddies, though.

Really? how so? can you elaborate on that?

Scumbuddies want to avoid attracting attention to them being a scumteam. Plus, if it is obvious that the defending is not genuine, then upon a flip of one player, the other one will be heavily suspected as scum.

I pretty thoroughly explained the JK point. Why do you disagree?

Finally, why LMB's breadcrumb is town:

As town, this whole scenario is dropping a fake crumb and then creating a fake reaction test off this fake crumb and then attacking a fake experienced off this fake crumb and off this fake reaction test is all for towncred. There's no way he could expect the lynch to go through on RayFrost considering having no real reason to call him scum over others, and I doubt he took the time to plan this out as town considering its a lot of effort for not a lot of gain and a fucking crazy thing to think of. I think as town he may have crumbed, and held onto it for later so that he could bolster a JK claim later; I don't think that new town would plan out a gambit this elaborate for towncred and nothing but towncred right out of the gate.

Hey, look, I replaces every scum with town and it still works (except for the scum crumb part, but hey, that part is just hypothetical)! I don't get the rayfrost part rhat is in there, though. What I want to say, I don't really get the argument as to why it is necessarily from town.

Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams

I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really

really

hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].

I very rarely use meta and meta alone to shut a read down completely, but when meta is extremely definitive, I go with it. I also find that his latest posts sound extremely genuine and don't really care how much he's contradicting himself as a result.

'Meta' just like that isn't an argument. You can't just say 'I disagree because meta'. Explain it and give examples and tell me what's different between ray's town and scum game and gimme links and shit.

After I like it a little more. And theres more I just don't bother with.

Spoiler:

Something I need to point out to the new players: people defending other people does

not

mean they are scumbuddies. Scumbuddies mostly avoid each other as to not draw attention to them.

I don't really understand all the scumreads ika has been getting. I might say I'm annoyed by his posting but it does feel genuine.

I don't particularly like LMB's entrance, just restating the case that emerald did before. Do give that buttload of evidence, though.

Im reading this post and this is one of those post that rubs me wrong after reading others and responses, Especialy the sencond part about me. It almost feels like you are trying to fencesit here. The last sentance really rubs me wrong if he is jk or think that his breadcumb for fk is not good. I personally disliked it as well due tot he fact on how stuble it was and how he expected everyone to see it. But i see where hes was coming from now.

I didn't think his entrance, the JK crumb, was particularly alignment indicative and I don't understand why nacho and abbott do. I was talking about his 193, which was uninspired and echoing what emerald said before.
And I don't believe I'm fencesitting about you, I have said that I think you are town and that I don't understand the scumreads. Is that fencesitting to you?

Hardcore defending at the start of day 1 usually means they are not scumbuddies, though.

Really? how so? can you elaborate on that?

Scumbuddies want to avoid attracting attention to them being a scumteam. Plus, if it is obvious that the defending is not genuine, then upon a flip of one player, the other one will be heavily suspected as scum.

I pretty thoroughly explained the JK point. Why do you disagree?

Finally, why LMB's breadcrumb is town:

As town, this whole scenario is dropping a fake crumb and then creating a fake reaction test off this fake crumb and then attacking a fake experienced off this fake crumb and off this fake reaction test is all for towncred. There's no way he could expect the lynch to go through on RayFrost considering having no real reason to call him scum over others, and I doubt he took the time to plan this out as town considering its a lot of effort for not a lot of gain and a fucking crazy thing to think of. I think as town he may have crumbed, and held onto it for later so that he could bolster a JK claim later; I don't think that new town would plan out a gambit this elaborate for towncred and nothing but towncred right out of the gate.

Hey, look, I replaces every scum with town and it still works (except for the scum crumb part, but hey, that part is just hypothetical)! I don't get the rayfrost part rhat is in there, though. What I want to say, I don't really get the argument as to why it is necessarily from town.

Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams

I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really

really

hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].

I very rarely use meta and meta alone to shut a read down completely, but when meta is extremely definitive, I go with it. I also find that his latest posts sound extremely genuine and don't really care how much he's contradicting himself as a result.

'Meta' just like that isn't an argument. You can't just say 'I disagree because meta'. Explain it and give examples and tell me what's different between ray's town and scum game and gimme links and shit.

Not as sure as I was a day or so ago, all in all.

[pisskop]

Ill get to hana/wisdom in a bit, but class.

[pisskop]

Spoiler:

Well I will admit my vote on Nacho was weak to some extent. It was mostly to make a wagon. Same crap I've done all game (try to spark discussion). If I didn't do that, I don't think ika would have put you at L-1 unless others voted, and who knows if you would've supplied more information. Hmmm...

I will also

unvote; vote: Abott

J

ust sudden mood changed, why did you give up on nacho and suddenly follow the wagon?

K

ay, it looks like you're looking for a quick-lynch.

VOTE: bcj

Spells out JK, come on frost, you should of seen this reaction test.

Also notice how ika puts bcj at null even though bcj has a shitload of content.

Alright.

Bcj-scum
Ika-leaning scum
Abbott-leaning scum
Rayfrost-leaning town
Nacho-leaning town

Rest is null, need to read more.

lmb Hopped on the bjc wagon pretty quick.
But NO contact with Tier. No real contact outside of some ika/bjc quoting, tbh.
With the quotes above he seems independent to me.

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Spoiler:

Okay, somebody is going to have to actually substantiate the case against Tier or link me to something, because I'm just not seeing it. The closest I've gotten is emerald's case, a player that isn't even voting Tier. (You never answered my question by the way; why were you voting pisskop and not Tier given your case on the latter?)

And while emerald's case is decent, it isn't enough to cancel out the minor townread I have on Tier. I'd much prefer a bcj lynch, but I get that's not happening, and will make do for a Sakura lynch. A pisskop lynch is the worst of the options and the only reason I'd ever vote for him is deadline.

I also think it would be GREAT if bcj would actually answer the questions I asked him a few pages ago.

But for the record if we get up to deadline and ffery hasn't hammered, I'd be happy to. A somewhat controversial townread being lynched is better than no lynch at all. So Tier should probably claim soon; if ffery isn't content with Tier doing it right now, it should still get done ASAP so that if we need to switch targets we aren't stuck.

Sakura's at L-2. Can still make a Sakura lynch happen, people!
(Okay, probably not. But a guy can dream, can't he?)

Anyway, will be here for deadline so if ffery doesn't drop by, I'll hammer.

And was going to ask Tier for an explanation for those reads, but I guess it's not happening.

Okay, let's do this then.

[snipped for bbcode]

So yeah, really after analyzing everybody's interactions with Tier, Sakura's slot looks the worst to me quite easily. I already posted a case on Sakura yesterday, so I guess I'm right back to where I started.

VOTE: Sakura

I may look Tier-Sakura interactions and do a wagon analysis later; this has kind of worn me out a bit. So many posts...

I don't feel like answering your questions really helps progress the game, but I don't remember what the questions were in the first place. I'll have more to add to this game tomorrow.

Helping me get a better read on you and hopefully convince me that you're town isn't "progressing the game"? Okay. It's this kind of obstinant behavior that kind of makes me want to vote you, but I'm really beginning to think you're just a stubborn townie.

Im loving Hayate. He doesn't see the Tier case, hammers him, and goes after Hana. But, His hammer is just that. Is he throwing a buddy under?
*This is a lot of work for a mislynch, especially if you're going to replace out for inactivity. Is this a normal amount of effort/posts for scumHayate?*

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Obviously Wisdom has not Tier/early interactions. OR much in the way of weighty contents.

[pisskop]

And now the Tier/Abbott/Hana conspiracy . . .

[pisskop]

Spoiler:

Hi guys, I've been reading since i sent the replacement request and I'm currently at Page 17.

Reads as of now:
Town: Nacho, the snowman avatar guy, TS.
Scum: bjc, Rob, ED (which means im wrong about at least 1 of these)

Not in any specific order.

Unvote

In case my predecessor was voting someone.

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yes nobody wants to be lynched.

My fatalistic meta begs to differ

Sorry i just had to comment on that

Vote: Sakura

Sigh... just finish me off im tired of you guys not believing me.

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enough of your survivalism play. at this point your play is becoming more hindeirng to me then helpful if your town.

......... Okay. Whatever, someone hammer me so I can play in a different newb game.

^
Does this look like survivalist to you?
And if his play is hindering you then you're effectively pushing for a policy lynch, now that i finished reading im thinking on bjc as more town. Maybe because I've been in his position before.
Also Ika leaning more scum =/

Don't even try to insinuate 608 is not very very easily fakeable by scum.

That said, bjc doesn't look like it's gonna happen and emerald is, so I'll switch over the next few days if bjc doesn't start picking up votes again.

Yeah, also TS going a bit down in the town ladder, but still nullish-town because of his last post.

post 589
is the biggest tell tale to me imo, its fresh from today

You are hilarious.

It looked like a taunting question wrt to my previous post to me... the other points are mostly what I was referring to.

676 and 677 look very cool to me, if I were to make a town hana case. I like the part where she casually responds to him.

How do you feel about ika orchestrating this to ba a 1v1? Do you feel there's necessarily scum in me or bjc?

I suggest you read my post again and ask again if you really think that's the case.

And This too.

Hana, are you town? Come be my townie with me.
I actually like your's the best of the three atm . . .