Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

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Hello, I'm the replacement for Purplebandit. I just see a jumble of random votes in Rvs as usual, however I see a bit of scumbuddying between bjc and ika. They seem kind of defensive towards eachother

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Wait why is Nacho scum, can you explain to me here? Also posts like "Why do you care about him" shows a bit of defensive act towards another player.

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Well I will admit my vote on Nacho was weak to some extent. It was mostly to make a wagon. Same crap I've done all game (try to spark discussion). If I didn't do that, I don't think ika would have put you at L-1 unless others voted, and who knows if you would've supplied more information. Hmmm...

I will also

unvote; vote: Abott

Just sudden mood changed, why did you give up on nacho and suddenly follow the wagon? Kay, it looks like you're looking for a quick-lynch.

VOTE: bcj

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Guys if read my post, I breadcrumbed JK for a reaction test, and bjc immediately Omgus'd me by saying i'm scum, then ika voting me. Now I'm 50% sure of ika/bjc scumbuddying.

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Bro ika, I just replaced 2 days ago, I don't have that much content.

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Well I will admit my vote on Nacho was weak to some extent. It was mostly to make a wagon. Same crap I've done all game (try to spark discussion). If I didn't do that, I don't think ika would have put you at L-1 unless others voted, and who knows if you would've supplied more information. Hmmm...

I will also

unvote; vote: Abott

J

ust sudden mood changed, why did you give up on nacho and suddenly follow the wagon?

K

ay, it looks like you're looking for a quick-lynch.

VOTE: bcj

Spells out JK, come on frost, you should of seen this reaction test.

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Okay. Up to post #109:

Spoiler:

-AboTT's posts #47 and #53 do not sit well with me. In post 47 there is that "Oh look lots of content yay!" line.

-Nacho's post #98 captures what I want to say on that matter. In post 53 he continues without really adding much to the game while focusing on weaker things in the game, as Nacho posted in the linked post.

-Robw's post #54 that still has no explanation at all isn't good either.

-Here, at post #59 ED first speaks (in detail) of the perceived ika-bjc scumbuddying. Just thought I'd throw that in here, I don't have much to talk about here.

-LMB jumps out with this: #70 again with the scumbuddying stuff. I guess I can excuse this as an introductory post, but then...
-In comes LMB out of nowhere (109) I'd like to see more talk by LMB rather than just vote someone because they changed their vote.

-Moving on: ika votes AboTT promising future content on the matter in post #72, I'm curious if that ever came through (it hasn't up to post 109).

-104 my vote and the resulting sheeping claims by other. I realize ahead of time that those votes are going to draw attention.

In summary:

Up to this point both AboTT and LMB come across as scum to me.

Also,

Town
bjc (me)
RayFrost -or-
ika -or-
ED -or-
Nacho
Tier
Rob
LMB -or-
AboTT
Scum

See here, he Omgus'd me immediately for a vote.

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Alright maybe that breadcrumb wasn't very good, but the fast Omgus is suspicious to me.

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unvote; vote: AbboTT

Why did you move your vote to abbott?

why do you care is the bigger question here?

Why did you move your vote to abbott?

why do you care is the bigger question here?

Really? You don't care?

His first vote might have been random, hard to say, but switching votes definitely isn't.

so you say a second vote is never rvs?

so right now if i went like this

unvote
vote nacho

would it be a random vote or not? im askign why you care about his sudden vote switch to anohter player who is not you. if the vote was on you i could see more reasoning, but you just going "???" is offsetting

its a second vote near begining of game, why should i care?

if this was maybe mid day 1 or day 2 then i would but here i dont see anything odd. im wanting to know why you think its odd

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

WTF is this?

unvote; vote: emeraldemon

@ika
So you want to wait a few days to start scumhunting? Maybe scum will confess on their own?

To answer your question, no, I don't think people usually randomly switch votes in RVS. I don't think bjc's vote was random, I think he had a reason. I wanted to hear from him what that reason was. The fact that you're intercepting and trying to stop me from asking a very reasonable question makes me suspicious of you. Maybe you'd rather keep the fluff rolling as long as
possible.

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

So i am spewing fluff by asking questions? Plz tell me more about this. I did not intercept you, i merly asked you a question. these 2 post to me scream omgus. plus the next post being a vote is very oddly placed. he also already justified his reasoning. he sparked discussion. we are now following up on it. i was wondering why you care so much about his vote.

the vote is not directed at you
the vote is only the second vote on a diffrent player
your reaction to the vote switch is what is odd to me

are you saying every vote past the first vote should have justification? if that is the point i can see some vaild reasoning. what you just did though was very odd in itself you complain to me for haveing dicussion and trying to talk to you and in your very next post vote me for trying to engadge in dicussion.

VOTE: emeraldemon

he seems pretty genuine to me

Who are you addressing here?

this i would like to hear as well. it is surprisingly vauge

Vote: ika

Why?

Spoiler: all the post from pg 4 so far

Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: 16 it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.

Post 16 is why I had an early town slot on bjc, his awareness of my pregame post made me think he is town because i figured scums don't care about that stuff and would not pay attention. He was obviously aware of my pre-game post. The only other reason would be is if we were both scums, however i am not. It is possible that he is but right now its null-town coming from him atm.

How about stuff from you? What's with your vote on ika? What do you make of Robw's vote on ika?

Heres a good post, he trying to spark some discussion and trying to get reads on people here. I am starting to get irked by the big buddying of him and the votes on me. But its feels more genuine. One of the few things that makes me wonder is he wants contents from people but does not give contents of his own. I gave a good few questions for discussion but he has yet to answer them when he said he would.

Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.

He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.

To me this is 2 prong. This gives me more confidence in emerald being town due to you having experience with him. I didn't glance at his game because I was lazy but due to biassed reasons I am considering you town and will take that emerald is town.

Your reasoning for nacho seems also valid that if he is merely coasting and seems to be doing right now. It is becoming annoying and not helpful. He seems to be trying to take a null path. I first took it as IC trying to play neutral but looking back even as an IC should not coast like he is.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

This post gives me more confidence in you being town because of the second half thats addressed to tiershift. I do think you are sligtly stuck in the me and bjc buddying, but i am going to take it as a newbie thing. If one of us were to flip scum, then you should follow up on it. However there is also a flip-side that a scum will buddy with a strong town read to try to get them out. However I say that our "buddying" is more just general chat and discussion.

Nah, ika is town. Just look at the total lack of self-conciousness.
As for bjc buddying, define buddying.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Abbott, why do you say wagons are the way out of RVS, then place a lone vote?

This gives me a good town read from you, you jump right in and start asking questions and want to obviously discuss things. You are obviously a player who has a few games under your belt and knows what you are doing.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

That didn't really look like a justification for voting but more like a, "hey guys, check this out."

Oh and yes I'd say that it looks like we're buddying. I can't say he's confirmed townie to me but I'm not the best at that.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?

Yes. I originate from a sports-based website where I've played 3 or 4 games, then made my way here.

Admittedly, it's something small, but it struck me as something awful:

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

Note: I'm not one to call someone's play "bad" or call people names and pull some high-rank crap because I think that's annoying and I think people who make the "that post was so bad" kind of posts either:

-Can't properly explain what's wrong with the post
-or-
-Are 14 years old.

So why do I say this? To clarify that my use of awful was to describe how it jumped out at me, not that the substance was awful.

This post gives me a better understanding of how you play and what i should expect from you. It helps when I know what i should be expecting. Seeing how you only have 3-4 games played. You seems to have a good start. There are a few things that I do think you could improve on thoguh. But I will save that for post game

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.

unvote; vote: nacho

this puts nacho at l-2.

VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.

tldr variation

ika - town
bjc - town
TierShift - town
Rob W - null
Lynch Me - null
emeraldemon - town
RayFrost (SE) - null-town
AbboTT (SE) - null-scum
Nachomamma8 (IC) - scum

with those 2 post, i feel more inclined to hear from abott again

VOTE: AbboTT

my l-1 vote was more of a test to see how player reacted to a quick l-1

Well I will admit my vote on Nacho was weak to some extent. It was mostly to make a wagon. Same crap I've done all game (try to spark discussion). If I didn't do that, I don't think ika would have put you at L-1 unless others voted, and who knows if you would've supplied more information. Hmmm...

I will also

unvote; vote: Abott

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Analysis on bcj and ika buddying

unvote; vote: AbboTT

Votes Abbott

Why did you move your vote to abbott?

why do you care is the bigger question here?

Aggressive towards emerald about voting bjc.

Why did you move your vote to abbott?

why do you care is the bigger question here?

Really? You don't care?

His first vote might have been random, hard to say, but switching votes definitely isn't.

so you say a second vote is never rvs?

so right now if i went like this

unvote
vote nacho

would it be a random vote or not? im askign why you care about his sudden vote switch to anohter player who is not you. if the vote was on you i could see more reasoning, but you just going "???" is offsetting

its a second vote near begining of game, why should i care?

if this was maybe mid day 1 or day 2 then i would but here i dont see anything odd. im wanting to know why you think its odd

Reacted overly-defensive to an attack against bcj. Definitely trying to defend him and bcj here.

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

WTF is this?

unvote; vote: emeraldemon

Votes emerald for voting ika.

@ika
So you want to wait a few days to start scumhunting? Maybe scum will confess on their own?

To answer your question, no, I don't think people usually randomly switch votes in RVS. I don't think bjc's vote was random, I think he had a reason. I wanted to hear from him what that reason was. The fact that you're intercepting and trying to stop me from asking a very reasonable question makes me suspicious of you. Maybe you'd rather keep the fluff rolling as long as
possible.

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

So i am spewing fluff by asking questions? Plz tell me more about this. I did not intercept you, i merly asked you a question. these 2 post to me scream omgus. plus the next post being a vote is very oddly placed. he also already justified his reasoning. he sparked discussion. we are now following up on it. i was wondering why you care so much about his vote.

the vote is not directed at you
the vote is only the second vote on a diffrent player
your reaction to the vote switch is what is odd to me

are you saying every vote past the first vote should have justification? if that is the point i can see some vaild reasoning. what you just did though was very odd in itself you complain to me for haveing dicussion and trying to talk to you and in your very next post vote me for trying to engadge in dicussion.

VOTE: emeraldemon

he seems pretty genuine to me

Who are you addressing here?

this i would like to hear as well. it is surprisingly vauge

Following bcj by voting emerald.

Vote: ika

Why?

Questions rob's vote against ika, getting a little bit too sensitive towards votes against ika eh?

Spoiler: all the post from pg 4 so far

Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: 16 it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.

Post 16 is why I had an early town slot on bjc, his awareness of my pregame post made me think he is town because i figured scums don't care about that stuff and would not pay attention. He was obviously aware of my pre-game post. The only other reason would be is if we were both scums, however i am not. It is possible that he is but right now its null-town coming from him atm.

How about stuff from you? What's with your vote on ika? What do you make of Robw's vote on ika?

Heres a good post, he trying to spark some discussion and trying to get reads on people here. I am starting to get irked by the big buddying of him and the votes on me. But its feels more genuine. One of the few things that makes me wonder is he wants contents from people but does not give contents of his own. I gave a good few questions for discussion but he has yet to answer them when he said he would.

Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.

He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.

To me this is 2 prong. This gives me more confidence in emerald being town due to you having experience with him. I didn't glance at his game because I was lazy but due to biassed reasons I am considering you town and will take that emerald is town.

Your reasoning for nacho seems also valid that if he is merely coasting and seems to be doing right now. It is becoming annoying and not helpful. He seems to be trying to take a null path. I first took it as IC trying to play neutral but looking back even as an IC should not coast like he is.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

This post gives me more confidence in you being town because of the second half thats addressed to tiershift. I do think you are sligtly stuck in the me and bjc buddying, but i am going to take it as a newbie thing. If one of us were to flip scum, then you should follow up on it. However there is also a flip-side that a scum will buddy with a strong town read to try to get them out. However I say that our "buddying" is more just general chat and discussion.

Nah, ika is town. Just look at the total lack of self-conciousness.
As for bjc buddying, define buddying.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Abbott, why do you say wagons are the way out of RVS, then place a lone vote?

This gives me a good town read from you, you jump right in and start asking questions and want to obviously discuss things. You are obviously a player who has a few games under your belt and knows what you are doing.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

That didn't really look like a justification for voting but more like a, "hey guys, check this out."

Oh and yes I'd say that it looks like we're buddying. I can't say he's confirmed townie to me but I'm not the best at that.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?

Yes. I originate from a sports-based website where I've played 3 or 4 games, then made my way here.

Admittedly, it's something small, but it struck me as something awful:

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

Note: I'm not one to call someone's play "bad" or call people names and pull some high-rank crap because I think that's annoying and I think people who make the "that post was so bad" kind of posts either:

-Can't properly explain what's wrong with the post
-or-
-Are 14 years old.

So why do I say this? To clarify that my use of awful was to describe how it jumped out at me, not that the substance was awful.

This post gives me a better understanding of how you play and what i should expect from you. It helps when I know what i should be expecting. Seeing how you only have 3-4 games played. You seems to have a good start. There are a few things that I do think you could improve on thoguh. But I will save that for post game

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.

unvote; vote: nacho

this puts nacho at l-2.

VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.

Putting anyone at l-1 without solid evidence and everyone else agreeing is really scummy. Perhaps waiting for your scum partner to quickhammer?

with those 2 post, i feel more inclined to hear from abott again

VOTE: AbboTT

my l-1 vote was more of a test to see how player reacted to a quick l-1

Wishy-washiness of scum, ika quickly retreats when attacked by nacho. Dude by the time scum reacted, scum quickhammered.

Well I will admit my vote on Nacho was weak to some extent. It was mostly to make a wagon. Same crap I've done all game (try to spark discussion). If I didn't do that, I don't think ika would have put you at L-1 unless others voted, and who knows if you would've supplied more information. Hmmm...

I will also

unvote; vote: Abott

Follows ika's vote like a dog.

So you guys now see how ika and bcj pretty much buddied eachother the whole time, following eachother's votes and defending eachother... etc.

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lol, quote wall with no commentary.

Anyway, for previously mentioned reasons (Way back before running off to my Physics discussion and Calc 2 classes...),

unvote; vote: Lynch Me Bro

Really, I don't care if people see this as more sheeping or an OMGUS vote. This is coincidence that ika voted him before me, oh well. I've laid out my reads up to post #109 and I am very happy with this vote.

Sorry, that was an accident. Again, look at this guys. Following ika every step like a dog.

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I was going to vote you but had more class to go to at 12:30, and I have to make my way there at 12:00 essentially. I don't post from my Nexus often, especially not in detail. I just got home after hanging out with friends, lol. So yeah, call it whatever you want my friend.

Doesn't change that I think you deserved to be lynched at this point.

I have a lot of content to analyze from post #109 to where we are now though, including some discussion between AboTT and RayFrost.

Really? Can a SE or IC that's not scum read my huge analysis on bjc and ika and tell me if I'm scum and ika/bcj is not.

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Leaning Scum: ika, bcj, abbott

Town: Everyone else

If you guys want evidence, I will give a buttload later but now I need to catch some z's

[Wagon Me Pal]

Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams

I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really

really

hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].

I actually support ika lynch very much.

Unvote, vote:ika

(Bcj and ika are both scum to me)

Ika: He's willing to put someone at l-1 without the majority agreeing. That's an extremely stupid and risky decision

unless

he's scum.

Spoiler: all the post from pg 4 so far

Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: 16 it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.

Post 16 is why I had an early town slot on bjc, his awareness of my pregame post made me think he is town because i figured scums don't care about that stuff and would not pay attention. He was obviously aware of my pre-game post. The only other reason would be is if we were both scums, however i am not. It is possible that he is but right now its null-town coming from him atm.

How about stuff from you? What's with your vote on ika? What do you make of Robw's vote on ika?

Heres a good post, he trying to spark some discussion and trying to get reads on people here. I am starting to get irked by the big buddying of him and the votes on me. But its feels more genuine. One of the few things that makes me wonder is he wants contents from people but does not give contents of his own. I gave a good few questions for discussion but he has yet to answer them when he said he would.

Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.

He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.

To me this is 2 prong. This gives me more confidence in emerald being town due to you having experience with him. I didn't glance at his game because I was lazy but due to biassed reasons I am considering you town and will take that emerald is town.

Your reasoning for nacho seems also valid that if he is merely coasting and seems to be doing right now. It is becoming annoying and not helpful. He seems to be trying to take a null path. I first took it as IC trying to play neutral but looking back even as an IC should not coast like he is.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

This post gives me more confidence in you being town because of the second half thats addressed to tiershift. I do think you are sligtly stuck in the me and bjc buddying, but i am going to take it as a newbie thing. If one of us were to flip scum, then you should follow up on it. However there is also a flip-side that a scum will buddy with a strong town read to try to get them out. However I say that our "buddying" is more just general chat and discussion.

Nah, ika is town. Just look at the total lack of self-conciousness.
As for bjc buddying, define buddying.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Abbott, why do you say wagons are the way out of RVS, then place a lone vote?

This gives me a good town read from you, you jump right in and start asking questions and want to obviously discuss things. You are obviously a player who has a few games under your belt and knows what you are doing.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

That didn't really look like a justification for voting but more like a, "hey guys, check this out."

Oh and yes I'd say that it looks like we're buddying. I can't say he's confirmed townie to me but I'm not the best at that.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?

Yes. I originate from a sports-based website where I've played 3 or 4 games, then made my way here.

Admittedly, it's something small, but it struck me as something awful:

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

Note: I'm not one to call someone's play "bad" or call people names and pull some high-rank crap because I think that's annoying and I think people who make the "that post was so bad" kind of posts either:

-Can't properly explain what's wrong with the post
-or-
-Are 14 years old.

So why do I say this? To clarify that my use of awful was to describe how it jumped out at me, not that the substance was awful.

This post gives me a better understanding of how you play and what i should expect from you. It helps when I know what i should be expecting. Seeing how you only have 3-4 games played. You seems to have a good start. There are a few things that I do think you could improve on thoguh. But I will save that for post game

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.

unvote; vote: nacho

this puts nacho at l-2.

VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Also guys, I can't believe I'm saying this to a IC/SE, but are you FREAKING out of your mind? We have good scum reads and do not blindly lynch RobW for inactivity. He'll get replaced soon which is much better then wasting a lynch.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Well, what it looks like now is that you guys are all voting rob for inactivity, and can't we just let him be replaced and see if his replacement drops scum slips?

[Wagon Me Pal]

I like those posts by LMB. Has any real pressure been put on ika this game?

unovte; vote: ika

I don't believe so.

Sudden mood change huh? Why is so familiar to me... *cough* *wheeze*. Jailkeeper, cop, tracker please target one of the following at night time. bjc, ika, abbott

[Wagon Me Pal]

Actually if there is a cop, then you should claim now because following the cop would be a good idea. (At least better than lynching inactives)

[Wagon Me Pal]

Following the cop is a good idea? Boy how great that would be for the cop to lead us on a wagon against another PR only to have TWO PRs out themselves on day one. I'll pass.

Bro, actually read the mafia wiki on following the cop. It's letting the doctor protect the cop every night so the cop can stay invincible while giving reports.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Oh I forgot about RB, but still cop/tracker/jailkeeper should target one of bcj,ika, or abbott.

[Wagon Me Pal]

I like those posts by LMB. Has any real pressure been put on ika this game?

unovte; vote: ika

I don't believe so.

ya there has been i just dont care aobut it becasue i am town. If you have the need to ask me something go ahead. Im all for a lynch on me if it will show that nacho and time should be looked into. and should be next to be lynched after my flip

Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams

I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really

really

hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].

I actually support ika lynch very much.

Unvote, vote:ika

(Bcj and ika are both scum to me)

Ika: He's willing to put someone at l-1 without the majority agreeing. That's an extremely stupid and risky decision

unless

he's scum.

Spoiler: all the post from pg 4 so far

Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: 16 it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.

Post 16 is why I had an early town slot on bjc, his awareness of my pregame post made me think he is town because i figured scums don't care about that stuff and would not pay attention. He was obviously aware of my pre-game post. The only other reason would be is if we were both scums, however i am not. It is possible that he is but right now its null-town coming from him atm.

How about stuff from you? What's with your vote on ika? What do you make of Robw's vote on ika?

Heres a good post, he trying to spark some discussion and trying to get reads on people here. I am starting to get irked by the big buddying of him and the votes on me. But its feels more genuine. One of the few things that makes me wonder is he wants contents from people but does not give contents of his own. I gave a good few questions for discussion but he has yet to answer them when he said he would.

Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.

He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.

To me this is 2 prong. This gives me more confidence in emerald being town due to you having experience with him. I didn't glance at his game because I was lazy but due to biassed reasons I am considering you town and will take that emerald is town.

Your reasoning for nacho seems also valid that if he is merely coasting and seems to be doing right now. It is becoming annoying and not helpful. He seems to be trying to take a null path. I first took it as IC trying to play neutral but looking back even as an IC should not coast like he is.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

This post gives me more confidence in you being town because of the second half thats addressed to tiershift. I do think you are sligtly stuck in the me and bjc buddying, but i am going to take it as a newbie thing. If one of us were to flip scum, then you should follow up on it. However there is also a flip-side that a scum will buddy with a strong town read to try to get them out. However I say that our "buddying" is more just general chat and discussion.

Nah, ika is town. Just look at the total lack of self-conciousness.
As for bjc buddying, define buddying.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Abbott, why do you say wagons are the way out of RVS, then place a lone vote?

This gives me a good town read from you, you jump right in and start asking questions and want to obviously discuss things. You are obviously a player who has a few games under your belt and knows what you are doing.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

That didn't really look like a justification for voting but more like a, "hey guys, check this out."

Oh and yes I'd say that it looks like we're buddying. I can't say he's confirmed townie to me but I'm not the best at that.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?

Yes. I originate from a sports-based website where I've played 3 or 4 games, then made my way here.

Admittedly, it's something small, but it struck me as something awful:

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

Note: I'm not one to call someone's play "bad" or call people names and pull some high-rank crap because I think that's annoying and I think people who make the "that post was so bad" kind of posts either:

-Can't properly explain what's wrong with the post
-or-
-Are 14 years old.

So why do I say this? To clarify that my use of awful was to describe how it jumped out at me, not that the substance was awful.

This post gives me a better understanding of how you play and what i should expect from you. It helps when I know what i should be expecting. Seeing how you only have 3-4 games played. You seems to have a good start. There are a few things that I do think you could improve on thoguh. But I will save that for post game

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.

unvote; vote: nacho

this puts nacho at l-2.

VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.

Explain to my why the majority must agree to l-1 someone now? explain to me how l-1 someone is scummy. if i was scum, it would of benn easier to hide my vote in a big wall of that text and then have somoen accadently hammer, instead i clearly announce it that its l-1 after my spoiler post. i think you need to check again

[Wagon Me Pal]

Sorry, quoting mistake again.

I like those posts by LMB. Has any real pressure been put on ika this game?

unovte; vote: ika

I don't believe so.

ya there has been i just dont care aobut it becasue i am town. If you have the need to ask me something go ahead. Im all for a lynch on me if it will show that nacho and time should be looked into. and should be next to be lynched after my flip

That whole sentence is just wifom. Using reverse-psychology as a defense.

Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams

I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really

really

hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].

I actually support ika lynch very much.

Unvote, vote:ika

(Bcj and ika are both scum to me)

Ika: He's willing to put someone at l-1 without the majority agreeing. That's an extremely stupid and risky decision

unless

he's scum.

Spoiler: all the post from pg 4 so far

Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: 16 it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.

Post 16 is why I had an early town slot on bjc, his awareness of my pregame post made me think he is town because i figured scums don't care about that stuff and would not pay attention. He was obviously aware of my pre-game post. The only other reason would be is if we were both scums, however i am not. It is possible that he is but right now its null-town coming from him atm.

How about stuff from you? What's with your vote on ika? What do you make of Robw's vote on ika?

Heres a good post, he trying to spark some discussion and trying to get reads on people here. I am starting to get irked by the big buddying of him and the votes on me. But its feels more genuine. One of the few things that makes me wonder is he wants contents from people but does not give contents of his own. I gave a good few questions for discussion but he has yet to answer them when he said he would.

Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.

He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.

To me this is 2 prong. This gives me more confidence in emerald being town due to you having experience with him. I didn't glance at his game because I was lazy but due to biassed reasons I am considering you town and will take that emerald is town.

Your reasoning for nacho seems also valid that if he is merely coasting and seems to be doing right now. It is becoming annoying and not helpful. He seems to be trying to take a null path. I first took it as IC trying to play neutral but looking back even as an IC should not coast like he is.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

This post gives me more confidence in you being town because of the second half thats addressed to tiershift. I do think you are sligtly stuck in the me and bjc buddying, but i am going to take it as a newbie thing. If one of us were to flip scum, then you should follow up on it. However there is also a flip-side that a scum will buddy with a strong town read to try to get them out. However I say that our "buddying" is more just general chat and discussion.

Nah, ika is town. Just look at the total lack of self-conciousness.
As for bjc buddying, define buddying.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Abbott, why do you say wagons are the way out of RVS, then place a lone vote?

This gives me a good town read from you, you jump right in and start asking questions and want to obviously discuss things. You are obviously a player who has a few games under your belt and knows what you are doing.

@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (59), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?

That didn't really look like a justification for voting but more like a, "hey guys, check this out."

Oh and yes I'd say that it looks like we're buddying. I can't say he's confirmed townie to me but I'm not the best at that.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?

Yes. I originate from a sports-based website where I've played 3 or 4 games, then made my way here.

Admittedly, it's something small, but it struck me as something awful:

VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?

Note: I'm not one to call someone's play "bad" or call people names and pull some high-rank crap because I think that's annoying and I think people who make the "that post was so bad" kind of posts either:

-Can't properly explain what's wrong with the post
-or-
-Are 14 years old.

So why do I say this? To clarify that my use of awful was to describe how it jumped out at me, not that the substance was awful.

This post gives me a better understanding of how you play and what i should expect from you. It helps when I know what i should be expecting. Seeing how you only have 3-4 games played. You seems to have a good start. There are a few things that I do think you could improve on thoguh. But I will save that for post game

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.

Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.

unvote; vote: nacho

this puts nacho at l-2.

VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.

Explain to my why the majority must agree to l-1 someone now? explain to me how l-1 someone is scummy. if i was scum, it would of benn easier to hide my vote in a big wall of that text and then have somoen accadently hammer, instead i clearly announce it that its l-1 after my spoiler post. i think you need to check again

If you put someone at l-1, scum can quickhammer easily. And the person being hammered is most likely not scum if everyone else doesn't read him as scum. Getting peoples' agreement is important.

[Wagon Me Pal]

no, i think you are overanalizing it now, lets take a setp back for one moment, you seems confused and mind-trapped i am scum. lets take this by scnario

what will you do when you find out im town

not exactly, if someone quick-hammered and he fliped town, the hammer voter would have a lot of explaining to do. if he was qucik hammered and fliped scum then its an entire diffrent scnario. i think you are too mind set right now.

agreement is important but l-1 is not needed for agreement, a lynch vote should be more agreed on, not l-1.

if you think l-1 needs agreement plz explain why. what would have to be more important then hammer voting? why does the majority need to agree for a player to do an action? a player should have the free mind to chose what to do and decide. if anything majority should agree on is a hammering. not a mere l-1 vote on day one.

in LOYL (or whatever it is) maybe then i could see more incentive, but here, its not going to do much to get an agreement to l-1 a player.

1. That's the point, you are scaring us and using wifom to make us think that you are town. Ask an IC/SE.

2. Because it puts the player at danger of scum quickhammer, and if the majority doesn't think he's scum then he is most likely town. So it's best to get everyone's agreement or else scum might hammer a town player.

[Wagon Me Pal]

I'm really starting to get convinced that ika is scum. Still thinking putting nacho at L-1 was okay, and using wifom for defenses.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Nacho isn't on my scum list so far. So far, ika seems to be experienced and better at defending himself (but still scummy to me), and bcj is just newb scum sheeping ika.

I'll do more analysis on nacho later.

[Wagon Me Pal]

My suggestion is lynch one of ika or bcj, if one of them flips scum, then we can lynch the other because of cases of scumbuddying shown before.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Guys bcj is trying to escape his lynch by requesting a policy lynch. Scum scum scum.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Hostile place

Your posting style makes me laugh.


Is this all that is gonna be offered? At this rate there won't be a replacement, and I don't wanna push for a policy lynch but... Really?

Notice the "but... Really?"

Bcj is scum, lynch him.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Look, if you guys are eager to lynch someone now, then lynch Rob holy hell. He isn't posting crap but just enough to stay in the game. There is probably scum on my wagon.

Getting scared bro? That just confirms my read on bcj. Obvious scum escaping his lynch by attempting to convince us to inactive lynch Rob.

[Wagon Me Pal]

start with "what makes you so comfortable making him l-1?"

Well look whose talking here. *facepalm* First, what makes

you

so comfortable putting nacho at l-1?

What about "ninja-hammering" huh?

[Wagon Me Pal]

Also notice how ika puts bcj at null even though bcj has a shitload of content.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Alright.

Bcj-scum
Ika-leaning scum
Abbott-leaning scum
Rayfrost-leaning town
Nacho-leaning town

Rest is null, need to read more.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Also notice how ika puts bcj at null even though bcj has a shitload of content.

becasue his last few post are looking quite scumym and screams survivalism

contents=/=town, i would elaborate but i feel like you are just going to go "nope"

frost if you are here could you claify the contents=/=town for him i fell like he will listen to you more.

Hey man, I did not say that contents equal town, but bcj has posted more than enough content to tell if they were town or scum posts.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Great participation today guys. We're really making progress.

would it make you haippier if i just hammered you now so we have stuff to do dommorow? i want nach to come on and give me his list so we can do the activity

Why so hostile towards someone you list as null whilst listing others as scum?

That just makes a ton of sense.

Still waiting on emeraldemon to make an appearance.

Just because someone null reads you, doesn't mean your totally scum-proof to him/her. About to be lynched here bcj, any last words/defenses?

[Wagon Me Pal]

Guys we are definitely not lynching an inactive over someone who has been scum read a lot. Stop focusing on Rob's inactivity and being oblivious to scum tells.

First choice to lynch would be the person that dropped the most scumtells and second would be policy lynch, scum tells are always first. Bcj is using Rob's inactivity to his advantage and trying escape his lynch.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Sorry, I got really busy this week. Activity Post.

[Wagon Me Pal]

Ugh, really busy this week preparing for a competition. But my advice is just wait for the replacement and see how he/she defends for Rob.

Nacho stop pushing for Rob, waiting for the replacement is much better. It makes me think nacho is wanting a quick lynch on rob.