Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

guys im so pumped for this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

kaze is town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

im hated until n2.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Let me make that big.

I am hated (require one less vote to lynch) until night 2.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yep kaze is town.

VOTE: varsoon

For sort of a dirty reason. I assume that http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5638001 wouldn't have happened if varsoon were town, since that trust tell fiasco and shit.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

who the hell are you

VOTE: brian

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why ya selfvoting

Pedit: actually yeah i thought it was L-2 but then i realized i missed your selfvote

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why not? It looks like a good wagon to me with all them sheep votes. Regardless of what I flip, I think you guys can nail the entire scum-team with the information we've garnered thus far.

So what are your reads or analyses right now

after all if you flip town your words will be the only conftown words ill know

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, just pre-emptively: if anybody asks brian to claim, he will not claim, and i will have your head.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Who do you have meta with on this playerlist?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't have meta with you...

[orcinus_theoriginal]

anon hydra?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey guys MS and kaze and i are gonna be inthread mason buddies from now on ty

[orcinus_theoriginal]

who the hell are you

VOTE: brian

I don't like orc's vote here. It was a terrible L-1 vote that he should have been aware of.

PEdit: Wow Ceph looks town.

talk to me about why my l-1 vote was terrible

and tell me about how i wasn't aware that it was l-1 (well actually i thought it was l-2, but yes I knew that brian had a lot of votes on him)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because I'm feeling hella MOTIVATED this game, and I intend to get an early run at townblock creation.

And let's be honest, motivated-me is a very rare beast lately.

i'm almost tempted to scumread you for it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I swear to fucking god

stop bringing up 165 nothing good will come of it

.

Light lean town on sangres for interaction w/ cabd

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orc, it's page 12 and you aren't town yet. Hurry up.

uh

fuck you?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wait so we're doing VOTE: mastin right right guys

[orcinus_theoriginal]

[1] Brian Skies (Brian Skies)

do something useful with your vote dude

[orcinus_theoriginal]

really? idk i think mastin's play is more "all evidence no logic"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

he will quote everything you say and then say "hey guys i have 100 games this is scum i invoke the MASTIN SCUMHUNTING SKILLZ"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Seeing people like you/Cabd react to it is also rather interesting.

interesting in what sense

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Kaze

whoa whoa

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Has user Varsoon posted

yes

and he's probably really scum right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Please show me what your book has to say about me :O

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: ms I don't think you understood my request

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Town:

AFB
Skullduggery
Cabd
Orcinus
Brian Skies
MacMollie*

Maybe Town:

Metal Sonic
Cephrir*
Kaze
Varsoon
Mastin2*

Null:

MafiaSSK
zmuffin*
pieguyn
Kagami – might move her down because she's pretty damn inactive looking

Maybe Scum:

Aegor
Venmar
Flandre Scarlett

* reads I particularly want to discuss with Nacho

I'm working through my null pile to see if I can move some of them up or down.

This is not a seriatim list.

VOTE: sangres

you aren't townreading me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah

you aren't townreading me and you shouldn't be townreading cabd

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and leaning town on varsoon?

like

really?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm not digging on these reads because i disagree with them. you wouldn't be making these reads

1) you're not townreading me. There's no way. I haven't said shit to you yet, nacho scumreads me everyday, my play has not been spectacular, so that means you're towning me on the claim alone. I've never seen that.
2) Cabd was a very quick sort. I've read through your discussion and I didn't pick up anything too out of the ordinary. I remember you holding cabd more at arms length.

Your read list in your town games are much more mediate towards the null/null lean town/null lean scum piles.

Varsoon I actually just disagree with. Mostly because he doesn't seem excited like I think he should be.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

How hard are you towning me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Has nacho expressed an opinion about me yet

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why are you role fishing

VOTE: skull

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Get on this wagon it's taking off

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2?

No this is role fishing quickwagon this shit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Uhhhh awkward phone posting failure

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2?

This is skulldug rolefishing

VOTE: skull

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would in fact like to hear from skull on the logic behind asking that question; but it's hardly going to make me flashwagon anyone.

uncle please

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would in fact like to hear from skull on the logic behind asking that question; but it's hardly going to make me flashwagon anyone.

Orcinus said in 521 that he was suspicious of Sangres for Town-reading him based solely on the hated claim, so I thought it would be beneficial for him to expand on the hated claim so we could see whether his suspicion of Sangres was legit or not.

Orc's reaction, however, has me thinking that his hated claim might be fake and he made it just so he could accuse the first person who asked him about it of role-fishing.

Everyone who isn't lynching this with fire owes me a fucking explanation

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would in fact like to hear from skull on the logic behind asking that question; but it's hardly going to make me flashwagon anyone.

Orcinus said in 521 that he was suspicious of Sangres for Town-reading him based solely on the hated claim, so I thought it would be beneficial for him to expand on the hated claim so we could see whether his suspicion of Sangres was legit or not.

Orc's reaction, however, has me thinking that his hated claim might be fake and he made it just so he could accuse the first person who asked him about it of role-fishing.

Like literally every word of this post is terrible

1) answers Cabd and not me, when presumably I'm the one you're trying to build info/interaction with
2) my suspicion on fery is due to her town reading me for something so simple, especially when she knows I fakeclaim well. This is completely independent of what my role actually is
3) You asked me to expand on my role details for no fucking reason, that is rolefishing. There is no explanation for you here. To turn that into "oh dude Orci is lying about his claim cuz he's accusing moi" is ridiculous

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Note to self: Despite Orcinus voluntarily telling everyone that he's hated, he is super touchy about anybody else mentioning his hated claim.

Stop trying

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Like there is no way that you don't see how you missed completely everything

What town motivation is there in asking me to expand on my claim?

How do you turn my refusal to needlessly claim into shadowing suspicion on me? And why aren't you addressing this suspicion at me? You don't direct anything at me in 565 at all

How do you go from askin me for a full claim to "mentioning his hated claim"? Disingenuous as fuck

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Are you serious.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

FUCK YEAH
I'M EXCITED AS FUCK FOR THIS GAME AND THE SCUM TEAM IS GONNA GET FUCKED
LET'S FUCKING GO

vote: Kaze

bc he's always scum \o/

This development in tone does not compute

BUT YOU GUYS SHOULD VOTE SKULLDUG NOW

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually, call me a wuss but I don't think I want to play anymore with the shit pie has pulled

Are you actually scum

VOTE SKULLDUGG. ?????

[orcinus_theoriginal]

not this neighbor shit again

please tell me cabd is.isolated on his own little island and is not a part of that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Metal Sonic does your neighborhood have day talk?

did you really have to ask that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

this is your friendly daily reminder to vote skulldug

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lets recap

skulldug asks me why im hated and why i stop being hated

if this isnt a blatantly stupid attempt at rolefishing for flavor and other shit about my role i dont know what is

she theb completely proceeds to ignore the the fact that miller tracker and shit have been increasingly prevalent and insists that she cant be rolefishing and that i had already full claimed WHEN I HAVENT and then applies some twisted logic to accuse me of lying

like when i play mafia i have a few levels of stupid

this has passed the too stupid to be scum point

this is now too stupid to be town

LYNCH GODDAMN

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh yeah lets not forget "he claimed without provocation wtf im just clesring shit up"

like holy fuck im hated this is what hated townies DO

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yes because i am ascending on the elevator of heavenly reads now vote with me

sven right

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wasnt sven the miller tracker somewhere? idk am i missing a reference

do you want to expand on that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

idk do you consider pgo/miller/hated claims in the same cstegory as other softs?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

haha i just remembered rev got night killed the instance he got a guilty that was funny

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lol that was one of our better games

on topic though, skulldug i feel knows enough about this game to not have made those cognitive errors in treating my claim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fuzzy

Fucking

Logic.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lets recap

skulldug asks me why im hated and why i stop being hated

if this isnt a blatantly stupid attempt at rolefishing for flavor and other shit about my role i dont know what is

This is the dumbest case I've ever read. Stop being god-awful at scumhunting.

wtf

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mastin is ridiculously town and not to be lynched ever this game, dear god.

i also meant to quote this in my wtf post

[orcinus_theoriginal]

A fair point. Did I ask Orcinus about anything other than his hated claim, though? No. No I did not. Would someone be so kind as to point this out to Orc? He obviously isn't listening to me (probably because he doesn't want to admit that he's wrong).

Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why are you ignoring how town he is otherwise?

this question seems to have an inbuilt insinuation that i might not be comfortable with

[orcinus_theoriginal]

this is annoying.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

A fair point. Did I ask Orcinus about anything other than his hated claim, though? No. No I did not. Would someone be so kind as to point this out to Orc? He obviously isn't listening to me (probably because he doesn't want to admit that he's wrong).

Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2?

This is not actually a contradiction

actually sorry wait i completely misread skull's post because i was assuming he was just parroting what he said earlier

skull didn't ask me anything other than the hated claim, but it's the fact that he asked me to elaborate on the hated claim that makes him scum

when did i ever suggest anything important about skull outside of interaction w/ my claim??

[orcinus_theoriginal]

TOWN:
AngryFratBros
Cabd
Brian Skies
Kaze
Molliemac
Metal Sonic
Orcinus
Pie
Varsoon
Venmar
MASTIN2

3 scum in this town list. at least.

2 of mastin/mollie/orc and a neighbor, cause honestly I don't care for any of them. Found three.

im so hurt right now you have no idea

[orcinus_theoriginal]

my boner is so confused

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh gosh

let me catch up on this tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: flandere

this is going to be one of my derp games, i can tell.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery what do you think of the nk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery what do you think of the nk

You aren't going to get anything coherent out of me until I've finished cooking this amazing Farsi inspired chicken curry and repair the kitchen afterwards.

The kill is odd. It looks like maybe low info. Or maybe meant to make MS look scummy.

foodtell!!!!

i choked on my bagel

Pedit this has potential

[orcinus_theoriginal]

SSK and a townread. Hence me being really iffy on him.

why are you reluctant about revealing SSK in the result to us

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Other games, other circumstances. Remind me to tell you about some of my 3rd party tangents sometime.

fery is super pro-town as 3rd party

my head hurts from the amount of reading i have to do in this game i've fallen so behind

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: sangres

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: sangres

WTF?

quick ISO, trying to get back into the game

i havne' tbeen seeing a lot of things that I expect from fery

[orcinus_theoriginal]

UNVOTE:

god

damn

i hate falling behind

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cephrir can you give me something to sheep i'm really lost

[orcinus_theoriginal]

not really i just got really townie vibes from your pressure early game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

please don't make me regret townreading you again it will kill me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: ssk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Cephrir

T-elos
Order Aligned
Reanimated Body of Mary Magdalene (Mafia Ascetic)

was killed Night 3.

Day 4 begins now.

goddamnit cephrir

[orcinus_theoriginal]

reclaiming: hated until night 2, then turned into JK

i realized that I derped and no actioned on n4 :/

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i had a dream last night that sangres and mollie were scum in this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus has to appear and call out a jail target for tonight before hammer on anyone

who do you guys want

i'm thinking skulldug if kaze flips town, mastin otherwise

[orcinus_theoriginal]

actually, here's a better golden fucking idea

give me 3 people to choose from.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would love to eat a NK because I have no idea what I'm doing

Protecting between Action Dan, Gooner and Mollie, as sangres suggested. Reasoning for this is that if i have a scum in that list, all the scumteam is going to do is just have someone else do the night actions. it's better to use my action as a doc instead

[orcinus_theoriginal]

vla 3 days

need a break from everything

[orcinus_theoriginal]

first things first：my full claim:

Allen Ridgeley
Unassuming Engineer
-> Wet Blanket (hated til n2)
-> Courage Under Fire (jailkeeper)

So yeah, skull is probably right in that there is only one scum left. I'll jk kaze tonight

[orcinus_theoriginal]

screw it. i trust myself. lynch kaze and we talk about the problems later

given that i am jk'ing kaze and that we are lynching venmar

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: venmar

i swear i did this already

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Venmar's play isn't as assertive as it was last game we played together

[orcinus_theoriginal]

11 hours

[orcinus_theoriginal]

is survivalism necessarily a scum quality

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'll be on tonight

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i feel like mastin might respect his meta too much to violate it

and i know he never hammers as town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hello I suck