Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Kagami]

Skull is town, Kaze is scum.

Agree, Disagree. Ceph prob-town too.

VOTE: Brian

[Kagami]

Nope, town4ever

[Kagami]

Town kagami is best kagami (and only kagami too!)

[Kagami]

Was pie's 40 an accurate rendition of what you were thinking, btw?

[Kagami]

i'd unvote you, but you've put me in a tough position, brian

if i unvote now, i look like a wuss

so now we wait and see whether you get hammered or whether someone else wusses out

(also pieguy really is scum)

Ok, I'm a wuss. Why is pie scum?

UNVOTE:

[Kagami]

106 seems pretty town to me.

[Kagami]

re: orc

[Kagami]

What about kaze and muffin?

[Kagami]

Yep~

[Kagami]

Really? I get somewhat strong townfeels from muffin. Agreeing on kaze, though I'm probably leaning a little farther.

@mastin: Not sure I follow the bro read.

[Kagami]

I have a little townblock forming in my head, which is kind of where I'd like it to stay, tbqh.

[Kagami]

I like public townreads, I interpret a townblock as being a set of very high-confidence townreads (such that you'd be willing to bet decent odds that there is no scum within it). That kind of thing is trickier.

[Kagami]

Have you meta'd or read up on the large theme game "The Walking Dead"?

Tiered townblock, went on to pretty much strangle the scumteam.

Upper tier townblock is the reads of a strength you mentioned. Townblock as a whole is less secure but more open to looking within once a day or two has passed.

I hate this post because now I have to go read another large game when I just finished wading through mind screw 3.

[Kagami]

I'm here, just sort of actively lurking until I have a good block of time to digest the thread

[Kagami]

Still town as always.

I don't know what my scum-game would look like, but it's most likely going to involve more focus on the game's events rather than less. I've been pretty focused on other games and haven't given this one the attention it deserves in part because cabd was more or less echoing my feelings on mastin. Mastin probably can think of another reason I would wait before weighing in here.

My impression is that mastin is a hopeless egotist who is town.

Pie is obviously town, anyone who thinks otherwise is insane.

Skull town. Varsoon town. Varskull4eva

If there is any scum on the brian wagon, I would think it has to be metal sonic or muffin. Flandre's naked vote is not scummy, imo. MS's notebook pic is terrible, but I think if ms were trying to say "omg, only town would keep notes about the game!" he would have made the notebook much busier and taken a picture that shows more of his "notes." The notebook thing might actually be town.

muffin is my favorite for today's Miss Scum pageant, but I want to give the thread a little more attention first.

Orc was supposed to be obvtown by now, but I've never played with him. Is orc town yet?

[Kagami]

Daytalk question feels legit, I don't think sangres is scum.

[Kagami]

Among other things, but that one jumped out at me when I was lurkinating earlier

[Kagami]

...

Daytalk question feels legit, I don't think sangres is scum.

This is a shitty reason.

explain~

[Kagami]

Because the typical method that moderators are balancing daytalk these days is by giving it to both factions.

If sangres were scum and scum have daychat, he wouldn't be asking about it because he wouldn't especially want the neighborhood to reveal that scum likely has daychat.
If sangres were scum and the do not have daychat, it's unlikely he would even care about it.

If he is town, however, he'd be interested in whether the neighborhood has daychat to learn if the scum have it as well.

lots of town motivation, little scum motivation.

[Kagami]

I don't think they would think to.

Btw, if you've not actually seen the documentary that picture is from, I highly recommend it. It's hilarious.

[Kagami]

I'm not, but I think it is.

[Kagami]

I once believed scumteams would obviously think of these things, but have only ever been disappointed in their prowess. I think it was a town-motivated question from a townie.

[Kagami]

yep

[Kagami]

if anyone in the neighborhood is scum, it's you, but I think all three are town.

[Kagami]

Srsly? Why not wait until you have real pressure on you?

[Kagami]

I'm not sure what you expect, kaze, you know nothing yet has happened in this game that's likely to get much from me.

The setup is pretty well concealed still; the only interesting bit is the neighborhood, and the most interesting part about that is what sangres already poked at, and we have AD trying to get rubedo to flavor claim (presumably AD is informed?)

My favorites for town atm are venmar, sangres, muffin, pie, varsoon, AD, and probably skull. Lean town on the other neighbors and maybe mastin.

[Kagami]

we have AD trying to get rubedo to flavor claim (presumably AD is informed?)

How do you get an ActionDan Town-read from this? Do you think this has anything to do with his out-of-nowhere insistence that Flandre is Town and we should leave him alone?

While this could be a goofy act, I don't think it is. I think AD is usually pretty reserved, so this strikes me as odd if it isn't a legitimate flavor-hunt.

[Kagami]

If I were to guess, AD is nigredo and town-aligned.

[Kagami]

Thinking between aegor and ceph for vote. Trying to figure out why Aegor appears as a town-read for some people. Flandre, SSK, and brian are PLs more than anything else to my mind, and I don't think it's useful to entertain a PL while there's still time on the clock.

[Kagami]

I have limited experience with SSK, but this does not seem deviant from his town-posting.

[Kagami]

Why is aegor very obviously town?

[Kagami]

Why is aegor very obviously town?

He isn't trying to force opinions that he doesn't have despite it being easy/popular to do so (Brian wagon).

His frustration about Skull reads legitimate.

He's voting probable scum.

His defenses at various points read honest.

The skull interaction is the compelling point here. Not sure on kaze scum, but I don't think the vote is especially indicative either way.

[Kagami]

VOTE: Cephrir

[Kagami]

Brian would be a PL because he hasn't done anything at all.

Most townie thing from orc to me was the initial post about varsoon (though his interpretation is wrong, varsoon is town).

I think it would be very hard for skull to pull off the usual walls and harder still for her to keep them up all game, especially given that she has no scum experience.

Cabd is low activity here and elsewhere, not sure if it means anything.

@ceph: Why do you think you're today's lynch? 4 votes?

[Kagami]

@kaze: I don't, but I was specifically asked why brian would be a PL

@cabd: No lives allowed, mafia is srs biz

[Kagami]

If someone's role pm is "Gaignun Kukai Jr," AD is talking to you.

[Kagami]

So many flavor claims, how awful.

kagami party: KOS-MOS, Shion, MOMO (even though momo is terrible)

[Kagami]

I suspect someone is looking for me too, given the interaction above; someone who is a very important character in the series.

[Kagami]

How well do you know flavor, AFB?

[Kagami]

I'm concerned about the absence of a counter-wagon

[Kagami]

I'm still town, kaze

[Kagami]

...

I'm concerned about the absence of a counter-wagon

Does the lack of a counter-wagon make it any less likely that Flandre is Scum? If so, how?
...

I don't think all the scum would be on-board this as a bus if Flandre is scum, and I think they would be pushing an alternative wagon in the hopes for a mislynch rather than a scum-lynch. The lack of a counter-wagon suggests to me that they are happy with the current lynch.

I view the FS lynch as policy. She has certainly done just about nothing, but she's hardly the only one. The scummiest thing flandre has done so far is to refuse to divulge her main account; but I think that's just as likely anti-town town behavior as anti-town scum behavior. The appeal to "survivalism" is also kind of bad, but falls in the same category, imo. Still not a bad lynch, just a not bad policy lynch.

[Kagami]

Suffer not for the Kagami to live.

You really think I'm scum for lack of day 1 activity?

[Kagami]

Originally it was that I felt like your opinion on pie took an unnatural direction, and it felt like the suspicion toward AFB didn't feel legit, coupled with a lack of a solid scumread. I don't really hold that opinion anymore. I want to hear more from kaze, because that's likely the direction my vote is headed.

[Kagami]

Originally it was that I felt like your opinion on pie took an unnatural direction, and it felt like the suspicion toward AFB didn't feel legit, coupled with a lack of a solid scumread. I don't really hold that opinion anymore. I want to hear more from kaze, because that's likely the direction my vote is headed.

A) Why did I have to ask you 3 times
B) Then do you still think I'm scum?
C) You don't think my opinion on pie took an unnatural turn anymore? How did anything change wrt that situation?

Didn't notice that you asked me three times, I only noticed one in 1129, and forgot to respond.
I'm ambivalent on you being scum, but I would not lynch you.
No? It didn't magically become un-weird, but your other posts do little to support a strong scum-cephrir hypothesis.

[Kagami]

Thanks.

Hi ActionDan. We're Rubedo.

Good thing you said that, I never would have guessed!

AD, do you have any speculation about Nigredo's alignment?

[Kagami]

Flandre should have claimed by now~

[Kagami]

Urge to rhammer rising...

but no, I like claims, even if they're fake they have value.

[Kagami]

yay twilight

[Kagami]

Unfortunately nothing interesting happened to me tonight, but the night kill came from someone who has played with varsoon enough to believe that most people in the game would

know

he's town.

Not scum AFB, sorries, or are claiming scum flavor-cop?

[Kagami]

I'm not scum you goofball, I'm KOS-MOS

[Kagami]

I've never seen a chief protagonist as fake-claim.

[Kagami]

VOTE: AFB

[Kagami]

Link?

[Kagami]

Ok, fair, but more the point is that I would be surprised if I'm not mentioned in someone else's role

[Kagami]

(Every post after this one needs to contain a vote for Kagami)

So why do you need to rush this so fast? Don't you think with all the suspicion on me from day one that there's likely to be an investigation on me? You don't feel like waiting for it?

[Kagami]

VOTE: AFB

Then what's up with this vote? It seems so OMGUS-ish.

Meh, it is.

[Kagami]

Basically, my hope here is that someone will fly in and confirm me town. If someone can't do that, then I question bork's sanity in choosing roles.

[Kagami]

Flavor seems to be relevant to role in the other xeno games.

[Kagami]

Flavor seems to be relevant to role in the other xeno games.

Yes, and scum have viable "townish" roles to go with their fakeclaims. Once again, there's literally nothing about a KOSMOS claim that makes you town.

You're still missing the point.

[Kagami]

Nope, I'm claiming KOS-MOS and that's it.

[Kagami]

Well, we'll see what happens~

[Kagami]

Jesus, if I had an ability that killed my entire wagon, I'd just need cabd to vote for me and we'd probably win.

[Kagami]

well, prob need kaze too.

[Kagami]

I'm afraid some of you are going to be rather disappointed with this lynch.

The only consolation I have for you is that for some bizarre reason, bork has seen fit to make the most bad-assed gynoid ever, capable of generating the Hilbert Effect at a level a hundred times more powerful than a space ship and able to pew pew laser beams like no one else, a mere Vanilla. One of the disappointments of this game was that I got my favorite character, but she's apparently on the same level as canaan and miyuki. I figured there had to be some enabling or activation mechanism, but apparently there either isn't or someone is terrible at picking up crumbs.

Anyway, at least two scum in {kaze, ceph, mastin, cabd, metal sonic}, probably three. Unless you've all taken crazy pills, or the events of last night have magically changed the game-state in a radical fashion, you'd be hard-pressed to look at my wagon and say "gosh, this is a very nice, town-driven wagon! Surely it's on scum!"

[Kagami]

1. Considering the fact we're a 5-player neighbourhood I doubt we're all town. Possible but unlikely. Probably one scum, unlikely to be two.
2. I'm pretty confident that Skull is town and I like sangres too, not as much as Skull but he doesn't look scum to me. At the moment I'm disliking Aegor and macmollie, I reckon one of you two is scum. Not sure which at the moment.
3. I dislike Venmar more than I did initially after the Flandre flip. I expect there to be one scum nestled amongst my town reads and he seems like a likely candidate at the moment.
4. I reckon two of Kaze,Kag, Venmar and Sonic are scum off the wagon. At the moment I lean Kaze and Kag, I liked Venmar being paranoid about his neighbourhood at the start of the game and Kaze and Kag seem to want to blend into the background a lot, to be honest I don't remember much that either player has done.
5. That leaves probably one more scum on the wagon which, looking at my initial reads list would be ActionDan. If not him then probably Varsoon or I've got another one of my townreads wrong. To be honest I'm starting to think I should be looking within my initial town reads for the scum on the wagon, I'm beginning to feel Dan as town and I'm still trying to get a read on Varsoon.

Bork said I could just copy-paste this so here we go.

Kaze is probably scum, but you'd be crazy to think we both are.

AD is not scum, especially if you think I'm scum, given his behavior today. His opinion about my alignment today is likely to get him in trouble no matter how I flip. If I were scum-kagami, he'll look like he's defending a buddy. As town-kagami, he'll look like he's staying off the mislynch for town-cred. Scum-AD would be very mindful of this, and would not be so helpful toward me.

[Kagami]

yes, let's lynch kaze. You can call it a bus.

VOTE: Kaze

[Kagami]

btw, is this bro or AP in the past few posts?

[Kagami]

If my flip could actually result in you being "set up" that would be a very good thing.

[Kagami]

I am not scum, so it won't be taken seriously no matter how much I wish it would be.

[Kagami]

But it is crazy to think we'd be scum together; that would mean you pushed a wagon on me day 1 that was very viable and unnecessary.

[Kagami]

Your push on me lacks criticism. Especially in light of some of the AFB posts above, which are very suspicious if that's bro and not AP. You know many of those beliefs are false.

[Kagami]

You also lack scope this game, kaze. I think you're playing to your town-tunnel meta too hard.

[Kagami]

"Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum."

^this and it's associated points should ring very, very false to you (and to bro too), but you seem very unconcerned with dissolving inaccuracies in peoples' thinking.

[Kagami]

Doesn't that strike you as an odd thing for BRO to say?

[Kagami]

better start drinking, AFB

[Kagami]

Sounds like all of this could have been useful prior to mislynching?

[Kagami]

Fair point

[Kagami]

just a vt, not a huge deal; and I wasn't giving this game the attention it deserved.

[Kagami]

not going to be able to get a read list up unless bork is very slow, taking care of little guy

[Kagami]

mastin prob town; I don't think scum mastin would allow such an inconsistent stance

[Kagami]

venmar or metal sonic: not sure, don't like either.

MS's presence on my wagon felt funny but consistent with his yesterday stance.
Venmar ignoring the wagon felt stranger still. Townread dropped to scummish.

[Kagami]

AD and pie are obv-town

[Kagami]

AFB I'm unsure on. Today could have easily been a "pushing this mislynch so hard is so scummy that they won't think scum would do it," thing. The bulletproof vest giver soft-claim is null.

Sangres is town. This wasn't scum white-knighting.

[Kagami]

Ceph is a scum-lean

[Kagami]

Varsoon was killed by someone who plays with him enough, or is observant of meta enough, that they knew he could never be mislynched by a competent town team.

[Kagami]

skull might actually be scum this time around

[Kagami]

I don't know about mastin. I don't think he would have flip-flopped so hard on me between yesterday and today as scum.

[Kagami]

my town reads are essentially sangres, AD, mastin, cabd, pie.

I didn't really get a great chance to review to make a better one, since I was mostly just being wagoned today and had no position to worry about others' alignments.

If there's no doc, then I think AFB is town

[Kagami]

There could easily be an SK who opted to no kill, or a delayed killing mechanism.

[Kagami]

Yay, an undeserved victory for kagami

Good work town, and good modding, bork~

[Kagami]

O, and I now forgive you for GIF's touhou, muffin