Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[MafiaSSK]

VOTE: mafiassk

Never heard of this dude. Must be the mafia or SK

Hi there Metal Sonic. I'm a lurker. I'll probably lurk here. But no, the SSK in my name does not stand for Super Serial Killer. My avatar is a hint for what it does stand for though.

[MafiaSSK]

no he's just always scum

even if he has a town role PM

VOTE: Pieguy

[MafiaSSK]

As a wise man once said,

"VOTE: MafiaSSK"

Thanks Ceph. What bad meta experience could you possibly have with me though? ;D

[MafiaSSK]

No but really, mastin, several of your stances are very unsubstantiated and it bugs me.

It's Mastin. Don't doubt the reads.

In other news, I totally forgot about this game. Time to catch up!

[MafiaSSK]

who the hell are you

VOTE: brian

I don't like orc's vote here. It was a terrible L-1 vote that he should have been aware of.

PEdit: Wow Ceph looks town.

[MafiaSSK]

[10] Brian Skies (Kazekirimaru, pieguyn, Flandre Scarlet, Skullduggery, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuffinMan, Metal Sonic, Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

Yeeeeeeeeah, thinking Metal Sonic and Orc might be the later-scum additions to the wagon. With pie and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Kaze as early-starters. The wagon's likely not going to have all the scum on it, and I'd wager probably no more than three. (There being either 4 or 5 in the game.) Could feasibly be as low as two, though I'm not going lower than that.

Definitely think that one of or perhaps both of Kaze/Metal Sonic are scum. It's difficult to tell if Kaze is bussing, Kaze's town and Metal Sonic's scum, or Kaze's scum and Metal Sonic's town. I don't think they're both town, but that's all I've got right now.

Hey Mastin and I's reads are syncing! This is a good sign!

[MafiaSSK]

Cabd, what about this game do you think makes you feel motivated?

[MafiaSSK]

Pieguys walls on this page feel town. But I dunno.

Eh, sure.
UNVOTE:

[MafiaSSK]

Pieguys walls on this page feel town. But I dunno.

Eh, sure.
UNVOTE:

what was the basis for your initial scumread on me?

what do you make of mastin townreading you based on 3 posts? do you two usually read each other that well or

The original quote seemed scummy as hell for rvs for me. Not that I can remember why, but it did.

I think after we've played as MastinSSK, we've both gotten to know each other better. Mastin to a way better extent of me than vice versa, but the point remains.

[MafiaSSK]

I am so not understanding all of the mastin hate. Could someone explain?

[MafiaSSK]

I've been prodded! I'll catch up soon.

[MafiaSSK]

No the IC claim is just fake. That's just bad.

VOTE: Muffin

[MafiaSSK]

Cephrir could be scum I guess, but I think Metal Sonic is the better course of action here.

Why do you feel Ceph is scum?

[MafiaSSK]

i'm not going to be lynched this game

By the way, Muffin's still scum, guys. Just thought I'd say so because the wagon only has 2 votes and it's disappointing.

[MafiaSSK]

I think MafiaSSK is a pretty good lynch actually.

Lolz. AFB falls into second place though. Lurker lynches are never a good idea.

[MafiaSSK]

EBWOP: In case you can't tell. That was sarcasm. AFB just never told anyone why I was scummy which is scummy. So yeah.

[MafiaSSK]

You are free to misread him off of meta if you want.

His zMuffin vote is uninspiredly terrible and his "Im not seeing the mastin pressure, someone explain it to me??" is pointless 100%.

We'll see about Muffinz when Muffinz gets lynched. And when he flips scum.

As for the Mastin pressure question, Mastin just seems town. We just get each other. So I was curious as to how people had felt he was scum when he's so obviously not to me.

[MafiaSSK]

MafiaSSK was prodded.

Of course he was.

<3

[MafiaSSK]

In all seriousness, I'm down for this Flandre wagon. So yeah.

[MafiaSSK]

mastin, venmar, skull, AFB, orcinus, AD, varsoon
aegor, mollie, sangres
flandre, kaze
brian-slot
cephrir
cabd

to be lynched D4 list: pieguy

IF THERE IS A GOD, THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VIGGED list: METAL SONIC, MAFIASSK (in that order)
(MS because even if he isn't scum, he has a secret scum win con and mafiassk because he's probably town but mafiassk)

So I know that my vote has stayed on Muffin for the majority of the game, but he is such obv scum! Just look at this post!
Vague reads? Check.
Buddying (with pieguy? Check.
Wanting to vig me even though he thinks I'm town?

Seriously. Just look and tell me you don't want to vote Muffinz.

[MafiaSSK]

mastin, venmar, skull, AFB, orcinus, AD, varsoon
aegor, mollie, sangres
flandre, kaze
brian-slot
cephrir
cabd

to be lynched D4 list: pieguy

IF THERE IS A GOD, THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VIGGED list: METAL SONIC, MAFIASSK (in that order)
(MS because even if he isn't scum, he has a secret scum win con and mafiassk because he's probably town but mafiassk)

So I know that my vote has stayed on Muffin for the majority of the game, but he is such obv scum! Just look at this post!
Vague reads? Check.
Buddying (with pieguy? Check.
Wanting to vig me even though he thinks I'm town?

Seriously. Just look and tell me you don't want to vote Muffinz.

This post really sucks SSK. Especially the buddying pieguy comment. zmuffin's trajectory on pieguy is far from buddying.

Blah blah trajectory blah blah. What a load of crap it is. It all has to start from somewhere right? Why not this post? Why can't the start be small? Wouldn't that in fact be an even smarter method for scum to post with?

[MafiaSSK]

Pieguyn, what's your reasoning for the Flandre vote?

[MafiaSSK]

In all seriousness, I'm down for this Flandre wagon. So yeah.

Pieguyn, what's your reasoning for the Flandre vote?

Cabd, these are literally my typical posts. Meta away, but you'll find me say that same stuff in every game.

[MafiaSSK]

Don't mind Cabd hes just yoloscum who knows hes fucked eventually.

I mean I think I disagree but I can never read Cabd properly.

[MafiaSSK]

VOTE: AFB

Then what's up with this vote? It seems so OMGUS-ish.

[MafiaSSK]

@SSK

why did you visit me on night 1?

Metal Sonic

what was that shit about 3 neighborhoods?

Reading ffery is like trying to make a virus go through a firewall. It just doesn't work. Ffery will pretty much always be my night 1 action so that I at least have some clue.

[MafiaSSK]

There are two heads to this hydra.

Indeed there are. But ffery is one of them so yeah.
I also don't think I have that much experience with Nacho to be able to say, so the added information can only help.

[MafiaSSK]

It could be a vantage point thing. But goddamn I'd like your perspective on Metal Sonic's "three neighborhoods" comment, and on MafiaSSK's apparent lack of crumb on day 2 given he's saying he investigated me/Nacho on night 1. Cabd listed him as one of the players who targeted me/nacho on night 1 so the visit is not up for debate.

I commented on both?

Like, I don't see SSK as scum in spite of the potentially-incriminating result, and I believe Cabd said that looking at SSK's iso made it plausible for him to be town with that result. Metal Sonic is in fact among my main suspicions, and I easily can vote there.

I'm not seeing it in your first post of this game day.

I'll look back at your day 2 posts.

SSK's explanation for his investigation of us feels off to me. Why us after how day 1 went down? And the lack of some sort of results crumb is very worrying.

If he comes back and shows how he crumbed whatever he learned about us I'll rethink.

But, he's fake claimed in a recent game or two (mini 1522 being a good example: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34161) as scum and I'm not going to buy this easily.

Metal Sonic is gut. An extremely uneasy gut.

Do you have anyone as a potential SK?

Because I didn't pay attention after Day 1? Because ffery is always a good choice? Take your pick.
As for the crumbing, I nearly never crumb. Mostly because I suck at it.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK what is your role?

Who did you investigate on night 2?

Why should I answer this?

[MafiaSSK]

SSK what is your role?

Who did you investigate on night 2?

Why should I answer this?

You visited me. You claim to have investigated me. You didn't crumb your result. Nor did you out your result after the watcher nailed you. You still haven't outed your result, just that you did visit me on night 1.

So, right now you're possibly scum who failed to make your kill because of pieguy.

Given your history of fakeclaiming as scum, and of entangling my hydra in your claim in the AA game

I'll claim after geists claim their role. But man, my feet are sticky.

Step it up, SSK-dono.

We're VT. That line up with what you got?

Yup. I'm Dick Gumshoe, tracker, tracked you just in case, and got that you guys didn't visit no one.

, I'm not buying this without a full claim.

God this is going to sound shitty.
I'm Doctus, Scientia Hacker (hence the virus analogy) tracked you just in case N1, and got that you guys didn't visit no one.
Same result N2, except I tracked Skull because I thought he was scummy.

[MafiaSSK]

hey mafiassk

are you just a full tracker?

Yup.

[MafiaSSK]

plz explain the bit about SSK's towngame in terms I can relate to.

I wish I could. It's, like. Basically. Magic. SSK's posting as scum carries a distinctly-different feeling, tone, and frequency from his town-games. He has an entirely-different mindset. I can't remember his scumgames that I've read, but I remember his towngames. His thought process here is dead-in-line with games like Theatre, Touhou, and others. Regardless of alignment, he'll lurk, of course. But...well. This is off of memory (so it might not be precisely right), but a scum-SSK gives the town nothing to work off of, whereas a town-SSK doesn't give a damn, posts what he likes, and as a result, does give some good content. Said content is not as obvious as other players, but there if you look.

Try...I guess. Try reading his posts and imagining those same posts with a lot more words in them to say the same things. Try imagining the thought process behind those words as scum and as town. Try expanding his content out, beyond the literal words and into the subtext present, and see if that helps. I'd be lying if I said SSK was 100% town. But he's a solid 93%.

Holy shit, I think Mastin just figured out my meta.

[MafiaSSK]

i think mafiassk is scum and i don't think he was trying to kill sangres

so tell me why mafiassk goes on and on about me being scum D1, questions pieguy about voting flandre, doesn't mention sangres at all (or skull) and then tracks sangres N1 and skull N2?

fuck, tell me why mafiassk completely dropped the

only

scum read he was really confident about D1 in order to track... what? sangres? then skull? seriously? because he found skull scummy?

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah mafiassk is totally a town tracker tracking his suspects

Unvote

because i have to :<

Few things here:
Dude, me questioning people =/= me thinking they're scum. Usually it's my version of a prod dodge post. And especially on a wagon as heated as the one on Flandre was, it was a good, meaningful prod dodge. It's so easy to just wagon hop on those wagons. Goodness knows that's happening with mine at a way too fast rate.

But yeah, on Day 1 I actually cared about the game. I noted you were more lurky than usual and so I voted you. That was pretty much why I thought you were scum. It wasn't strong and it was sorta hypocritical. So that night, I wanted to get more information on a read that I couldn't read. In Night 1's case, that was sangres, because ffery, and Night 2, it was Skull because I literally only had a gut read on him. I wanted something substantial. As it was both turned out jack shit. there was no substance.

As it is though, most of my actions can be seen in this game as me not giving any cares at all about what happens here. I vaguely care. I vaguely have reads.

That being said, Mastin is ridiculously awesome for defending me and I have no idea why he is but all of his points are valid and I'm willing to defend them all as my own.

[MafiaSSK]

also, none of those explain where your read on me went, mafiassk, coz you were really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really fucking confident about it D1 and i don't think a single night phase after a scum lynch that i wasn't on and even spoke out against was going to change your mind about me

Spoiler: SSK's posts on Muffin

No the IC claim is just fake. That's just bad.

VOTE: Muffin

i'm not going to be lynched this game

By the way, Muffin's still scum, guys. Just thought I'd say so because the wagon only has 2 votes and it's disappointing.

You are free to misread him off of meta if you want.

His zMuffin vote is uninspiredly terrible and his "Im not seeing the mastin pressure, someone explain it to me??" is pointless 100%.

We'll see about Muffinz when Muffinz gets lynched. And when he flips scum.

As for the Mastin pressure question, Mastin just seems town. We just get each other. So I was curious as to how people had felt he was scum when he's so obviously not to me.

mastin, venmar, skull, AFB, orcinus, AD, varsoon
aegor, mollie, sangres
flandre, kaze
brian-slot
cephrir
cabd

to be lynched D4 list: pieguy

IF THERE IS A GOD, THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VIGGED list: METAL SONIC, MAFIASSK (in that order)
(MS because even if he isn't scum, he has a secret scum win con and mafiassk because he's probably town but mafiassk)

So I know that my vote has stayed on Muffin for the majority of the game, but he is such obv scum! Just look at this post!
Vague reads? Check.
Buddying (with pieguy? Check.
Wanting to vig me even though he thinks I'm town?

Seriously. Just look and tell me you don't want to vote Muffinz.

These are all the posts on D1 where I talked about Muffinz.
The last post was basically my centralized version of why Muffinz was scum. All that's been demolished. He's given reads, pieguy was town, him wanting to vig me is fine.

But yeah actually a night phase is long enough for me to forget about my reads. Especially as town when I'm not conversing with anyone and I find other more interesting games to get more involved with. It happens.

[MafiaSSK]

I don't think he claimed flavour.

I did claim flavor, actually. Check the claim post, yo.