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Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:26 pm

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VOTE: NotScience

This is my obligatory RVS vote.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:38 pm

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UNVOTE: Notscience

VOTE: Bazinga

I dont like hydras, my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #2) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:23 am

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In post 47, Mina wrote:Hanzoooooo, where are you?
@Mina, Around.
In post 27, Mina wrote:[Hanzo_5], why did you single out bazinga of all the hydras in the game (ninja'd by Mala)? Also, have you missed that there's role information confirming someone's guilt? Are you just not reading the game at all or something?
@Mina, Bazinga had posted more than Osseus pseudotripodis at the time, thus my attention shifted to that hydra.

This game had a daystart. Assuming investigative roles do not have day powers, logic dictates your guilty on yourself is nothing more than a rvs vote.

Why are you so insistent on getting a reaction, specifically, from me, based on post ?
In post 63, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:[Hanzo_5] gave a serious sounding reason for his vote, and a bad one at that.
@Osseus pseudotripodis, Why is this reason bad?
In post 26, Malakittens wrote:[Hanzo_5's post ] is really, really stupid.

You do realize there's more than one hydra playing, right?
@Malakittens, why is post stupid?

Yes I realize there is more than one hydra playing.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:57 pm

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In post 82, Malakittens wrote: First you voted lazy, imo. Second, you came into this game knowing there was hydra's. I'm kinda interested to see if you have had this hydra hate in prior games of yours or if it's just a new thing. Third, I was townreading that hydra at the time so it felt off.

I just hated the fact you singled that hydra out.
@Malakittens,
I am reading that my vote was stupid, to you, because you did not like it. You did not like it because, 1)you felt it was lazy, 2)You were town reading the hydra i voted for at the time. 3) I came into this game knowing there were hydras.

I believe reasons 1 and 2 are matter of opinion. However, reason 3 is an assumption of knowledge. In reality i did not know there was any hydras in this game before i joined. I am aware and have been aware since i voted for bazinga that there are multiple hydras in this game.

I view hydras that do not sign there posts as intentionally being confusing. In my experience, Many hydras do that. Thus, i do not like hydras.
In post 91, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:
Let's ignore the fact that there are 6 hydras for a moment. What does you not liking hydras have anything to do with lynching scum? You say "I don't like hydras I'm gonna vote for them heyyay!!!" What does that say about your goals in the game. Are you actually looking for scum? Or were you hoping you could parlay your "hate" of hydras into...REASONS?? What makes your reason so bad, actually so WRONG, is that a hydra slot has nothing to do with being scum. All the hydras were hydras well before they ever got their role PM. If your "hate" is not going to net us scum, then it has no place here.

@Osseus pseudotripodis,
Valid points. However, hate is not the appropriate word to use when attempting to illustrate my feelings on hydras. Additionally, while your emotional retailing of the thought process and reasoning by my vote can be viewed as entertaining, it does not impress me. I scumread subtle misrepresentations of character.

I agree that merely being a hydra does not translate into being scum. I did not say it did either. When i find someone scummy to vote for I will do that in the meantime I am fine with lynching Bazinga as a last resort. I do not like hydras because they can be confusing. I would have been more inclined to simply unvote but, Bazinga is not signing posts and imitating mollie's behavior.

@notscience,
Do you agree that the act of reaction testing is a null tell?
In post 100, Zdenek wrote:
In post 99, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:For those of us without glasses, clear it up anyway please.
Maybe later.
Do you really think that it's such a strange desire?

@Zdenek,
I do not see any town motivation in refusing to provide reasoning on why you would like a competing wagon between two people. I dd not see much scum motivation in that either. It is decidedly anti-town.
In post 134, Malakittens wrote:I really don't give a crap that he voted for a hydra. it's the reason why he voted for the hydra. It was lazy as fuck. I know Hanzo was talking to the hydra, but Bazinga wasn't the only hydra in Page 1 to post. Singling Bazinga out while to me was being obv town was a REALLY bad vote.
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This is in reality a false statement. Or atleast a misleading one. I quoted you in this post already giving two reasons that have nothing to do with why I voted. Yet you here you attempt to seperate your 3 reasons that explain why my vote is stupid into 1 reason and 2 general statements.

UNVOTE: Bazinga
VOTE: Malakittens

I am currently scumreading Malakittens and seeing things the way I present them. If anyone thinks I am wrong in my thinking could you attempt to help me see my error?
In post 150, notscience wrote:I've never been great at reading Bro. I kinda want to start a chamber wagon because this feels different than the chamber I've played with (town each time)

@notscience,
I cannot support a lynch based on meta. It is my hope that everyone will remember this when i do not vote for the lynch of players who's case against them is built on meta.
In post 163, bazinga wrote:okay?

I mean I am having a hard time with wondering if this is a collision of worldviews or if you are scum.

@Bazinga,
It seems to me that your intent is to establish a read based on Chambers misinterpretation of the word bro and who it was aimed at. Is that your intent?

If the Bert head is going to do all of the scumhunting oriented posts could you two please start signing your posts.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:36 pm

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In post 174, Medea the Alien wrote: I think part of this stems from different ways of looking at hydrae. Do you prefer to think of it as one player one slot, or do you prefer to think of it as two players who happen to be lovers and limited to one vote? That shapes how you approach hydrae in general, so I'm curious to hear your answer.
@Medea the Alien,
I view it as two players in one slot. I also view this as unfair.
In post 177, bazinga wrote:Mala was not townreading Bazinga (our hydra) early on in this game, much less on page 2!
@Bazinga,
If you reread the post that you lifted my quote from you will see. That Malakittens was indeed townreading you[Bazinga]. I feel that you are paying enough attention to not have missed this. I think you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts.
In post 177, bazinga wrote:(1) I have not been imitating mollie's behavior ever since the beginning of the game. What is suspicious, as Mala has pointed out, is that you singled out ONE hydra out of the five in the game for reasons that would apply to ALL hydras here. I can't see from your POV why you appear so frustrated and inexperienced when hydras aren't new to mafia here. Faulty logic again and again - I gave you a pass during RVS, but we are way past that!

(2) Why are we a last resort?? Do you actually believe in your case on us (bazinga), that you could justify a lynch on it?? It doesn't seem that way, with the "I'll only lynch them as a last resort" thing.
@Bazinga,
You have not been imitating Mollies's behavior all game. However, you did imitate her, or say you say you did in post , early in this game. Additionally I did not put any type of time reference on your imitation. I do not posses this knowledge.

I only have one vote Bazinga at the time of my vote, between you and the other hydra that had posted, you had more posts.
In post 65, Hanzo_5 wrote:@Mina, Bazinga had posted more than Osseus pseudotripodis at the time, thus my attention shifted to that hydra.

@Bazinga,
I have played in a total of 6 games including this game. 2 of the 6 game had hydras. I am fairly inexperienced with hydras and in my experience i do not like them. The only faulty logic is yours. Your conclusions dictate that you assumed a lot of non truths.

You became my last resort when you continued to not sign posts and imediately after I read your post
In post 189, Malakittens wrote:@Hanzo:

Mollie the one head of the Bazinga hydra has a very easy to read pattern without her having to sign. Trust me I know this because of the million games I have played with her solo or even as her hydra partner or her being in a hydra.
@Malakittens,
while you may be able to read it because of your experience with mollie, I have had 1 game with mollie. I am not you.
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Post Post #202 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:45 pm

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In post 195, Mina wrote:Null-town:
notscience (part sheeping mollie, part his post about fluffing
@Mina,
At best, these actions can be read as null. There is nothing allignment indicative in regards to "sheeping" and "fluffing" because both allignments can do this without having town or mafia motivation behind it.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:32 pm

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In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:Also, as far as Mala jumping on Hanzo for hating on the hydras goes, if we needed any further proof that this is town-Mala, scum-Mala wouldn't be trying to derail anything that might eliminate hydras with players she would fear could read her, namely mollie among others.
@Medea the Alien,
I compared this reasoning to the reason why I am scum reading Malakittens. I initially voted for malakittens because it seemed to be trying to pull back from looking as if it was defending its townread. In turn Malakittens was trying to put more emphasis on it's questioning of my vote and that the question was based on my reason. In reality, I see it, and other people see it, as her defending Bazinga. I dont see any town motivation to distance like that. I think that Malakittens is scum based on that.

Additionally it was an RVS vote and in general is it not scummy to heavily scrutinize RVS votes? I'm aware others have done it but i have more of a case on Malakittens so i intend to push this lynch.

Can anyone weigh in on whether or not this is a logical conclusion? If I got something wrong could someone explain to me a different way to look at the situation that is more correct? Is there a better lynch candidate that I am not seeing right now?

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I'm waiting on answers to a few of my post's. Kindly, Iso me and ctrl+f your name to see if I have bolded your name.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:22 pm

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In post 225, Mina wrote:I did the same thing as Malakittens without having a real town read on bazinga at that point. Why do you want us to tell you who you should be lynching? Stand up to yourself

@Mina,
These two posts are not as similar as you appear to be saying.
In post 27, Mina wrote:...um...why did you single out bazinga of all the hydras in the game (ninja'd by Mala)? Also, have you missed that there's role information confirming someone's guilt? Are you just not reading the game at all or something?
In post 26, Malakittens wrote:This is really, really stupid.

You do realize there's more than one hydra playing, right?
@Mina
, You are not attacking me, you are trying to discern my reasoning. The only similarity is that you are both reacting to an RVS vote.
In post 227, Mina wrote:GODDAMMIT.

Um, pretend I said something hard-hitting and aggressive at the end, like, "WHY ARE YOU A COWARD WHO BENDS WITH THE WINDS OF POPULAR CONSENSUS AND ASKS THE CROWD TO TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK? WHAT'S WRONG, AFRAID TO COMMIT TO YOUR STANCES AND LOOK SCUMMY?"

@Mina,
I have not bended with anything, I am trying to work with everyone in the game instead of being unapproachable and stubborn. I am open to suggestion. My reads have not changed(no one has given me good reason to.)

How do you see the below quote as "bending with winds" and not simply open to suggestion?
In post 222, Hanzo_5 wrote:Can anyone weigh in on whether or not this is a logical conclusion? If I got something wrong could someone explain to me a different way to look at the situation that is more correct? Is there a better lynch candidate that I am not seeing right now?
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In post 223, Malakittens wrote:Good to know that Hanzo plans to tunnel me too.

@Malakittens,
what is your current read of Mina, Bazinga, Medea, Notscience and Me[Hanzo_5]?

I do apologize if my engagement with you feels personal. I sincerely assure you that it is not, you have pinged my scum radar. I need to follow up on my reads.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #8) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:53 pm

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The Malakittens wagon requires more votes to lynch Malakittens. Is their anyone willing to place more votes on this wagon?
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Post Post #260 (isolation #9) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:06 pm

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@Zdenek,
I am reading Malakittens as scum. Everyone else is null to me.

What is your current read of Malakittens? Would you be willing to lynch Malakittens in D1?
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Post Post #285 (isolation #10) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:07 pm

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In post 261, Zdenek wrote:If they are all null to you, why were you asking about them?

I'm null on Mala at the moment - her posting style seems townish to me, but case on her merit.

Why do you think that Mala is scum?
@Zdenek,
I want to know who she thinks is town. I'm thinking I can use this as associatives after she flips if i can push my lynch on her.

I have stated why i think she is scum. You are going to have to ISO me. I will more than likely present my case again if I find more scumtells.
In post 262, Malakittens wrote:How is everyone else null?

Seriously, please tell me with a straight face that you do not have one town read. Not one townread?..

@Malakittens,
I am more focused on you than anyone else. The other people I have attempted to read are not answering my questions. I do not have a town read on anyone yet. However Zdenek's reponse to my questions seems towny to me. He does not appear to have drank the, kool aid so to speak. Meaning, He recognizes that the cases against you atleast some merit. I see this as weighing all the options. I think town would react in that manner.
In post 266, bazinga wrote:the reason you are looking scummy hanzo is that you are missing obvious social cues that mala is very obviously town. I personally do not know what to do with that especially if you are insisting on being stubborn about it. like you are not even trying to talk to peeps who know her
@Bazinga,
I do not put much stock in meta, I tend to play every game a little bit different. If I can do this anyone can. IMO meta is not indicative of allignment. People who know her cannot help me in that regard.

I mainly establish my reads based on any given players reactions to the ongoings of the game. Malakittens' reaction to my vote on you seemed scummy along with everyone who reacted to it. Malakittens went on to do more that made me think she was scum. I have already talked about that.

Interestingly, she has not refuted any of the things that i have said. I also think that is a scum tell. It seems that she is hoping that ignoring my case will make it stick out less. I dont see town motivation in ignoring acusations even if you think they are misguided. And then saying that I may be scum seems OMGUS-y to me. I am under they impression she thinks that i am scum because i am voting for her. I may need to fact check by way of rereading so it is not a part of my official case yet.

I asked you a question that you have not answered yet.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:45 pm

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In post 305, notscience wrote:UNVOTE:

I'm not particularly fond of my company on that wagon
@notscience,
this reads to me as you are worried about what you look like because of the company you keep more than removing your vote because you think she is town.

You did not answer my question. I'm still waiting on this.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:33 pm

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In post 323, notscience wrote:The act of reactiontesting is null yes, but what they try to accomplish with said reactiontest is an alignment tell.

And a wise man once told me- If your scumreads are pushing the same wagon, it's probably a bad idea to be on said wagon.

Don't imply I'm scum, say it and vote me.

@notscience,
what can you try to accomplish with a reaction test besides get a reaction? The other meaning you have been shooting for here was how a player reads reactions is an allignment tell. Is that what you meant?

Are you scumreading me? If so, could you elaborate?

I did not imply that you were scum. I implied that you were distancing. If one of the two people on the wagon flips scum then your distancing would indicate that you are scum. I do not recall you ever saying you think Malakittens is town but you are removing your vote based on the company of the wagon. This is distancing IMO.
In post 326, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Re: Me - I'm not "impressed" by 'I wanna lynch Bazinga as a last resort' thing. I take issue with you taking out of game bias to justify an in-game event. That is what made you so wrong on your vote. It's on thing to use your dislike of hydras to scrutinize them more. I can buy that. I can't buy into the idea that if you had nothing else you'd lynch a hydra just for being a hydra. That has no place coming from town.

@Osseus pseudotripodis,
I am not using my dislike of hydras to justify my "i've got nothing else" lynch. I said in the passage you quoted that Hydras can be confusing to me, and that i would have unvoted had Bazinga started to sign their posts and stop imitating mollie. I do have more to go on now and as you can see my vote is no longer on Bazinga.

Furthermore, my bazinga vote was very RVS-y and not intended to be a reaction test. Still reacting like this to an RVS vote is not town telling at all. I am troubled by the way MS users play mafia.
In post 326, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Re: Your Zednek - So you see neither town nor scum motivation from Zednek's behavior? Great, what the fuck did we actually learn from your observation? Do you think he's being lazy town, or perhaps being scum who is taking time to come up with something at a later date? It's easy to post a quick read, much harder to fabricate I think.
@Osseus pseudotripodis,
I see that as an Anti-town post. That is what you learned. I attribute it to lazyness at that point in the game. As the game progresses I am seeing him be more engaged and more forthcoming with information. I do not hold earlygame lazyness against players.
In post 326, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Re - Bazinga - I just wanted to direct you back to this next time you post, because I agree, Bazinga made a big fuss over the use of the word 'bro' which served no purpose for town.
@Osseus pseudotripodis,
This would be one of those questions that Bazinga never answered. I intend to keep reminding it to answer the question and thank you for reminding me just in case I forgot.
In post 345, notscience wrote:VOTE: osseus

@notscience,
voting without a reason at this point in the game cannot be attributed to lazyness. Mafia is "srs bsns" and this kind of trolling should not make it to lylo.

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@Bazinga,
could you please answer my questions?
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Post Post #349 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:50 pm

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@Bazinga, The bottom of post contains my question for you.
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Post Post #353 (isolation #14) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:07 pm

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I need to put it clearly. Was that your intention or not?
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Post Post #354 (isolation #15) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:07 pm

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I need you* to pus it clearly.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #16) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:00 pm

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@Bazinga, post 170 was a long time ago...
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Post Post #361 (isolation #17) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:08 pm

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In post 358, Malakittens wrote:....

You wanted them to answer a question and they just did.

What's the problem?..
Bazinga answered my question and then Bazinga went on to comment on my observation of the posting content from the different heads. Its late and im cranky.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:09 am

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In post 374, notscience wrote:
In post 371, Ghatokaca wrote:In post 79, notscience wrote:
Don't mind me, just going to fluffpost until I get called scummy for it

^scum
^bullshit
@Notscience,
You are appearing to be scummier to me with every post you submit. What have you done so far that you consider pro-town? Why is it considered pro-town?

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Can we get more pressure on the Malakittens wagon? It would appear that you all are either splitting votes or not voting Malakittens because you are town-reading Malakittens. If you are town reading her, and it is not a gut reason, Do provide your analysis that lead to that conclusion. If you are not town-reading her please argue as to why your lynch candidate should take precidence.

Lets get this game moving forward.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:42 am

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In post 378, Malakittens wrote:People have been giving you reasons for townreading me and yet you are either ignoring them because you don't take much into "lolmeta" or I don't know what.
@Malakittens,
In my mind, meta reads are similar to gut reads. I typically do not like gut reads because it is similar to saying "i know their alignment and cant say why." In my experience, only scum knows who is town D1. . I do not use meta and i typically will not lynch anyone for meta reasons.

Resultantly, I apologize for asking people to restate things, if the players in question could link me to their reasoning i would appreciate it a lot.

Additionally, I am interested in seeing who you place your vote on.

Furthermore, Did you refute my case on you? I dont see where you did.

@notscience,
I am confident in my malakittens read. I prefer to vote for who I plan to lynch at this point in the game. And not vote hop on people who are becoming suspicious.

Also, you seem to be not trying to work with me. I'm assuming it is because you are scum reading me. I hope that you learn how to read me and begin to work with me, if you are town.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #20) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:18 am

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In post 386, Ghatokaca wrote:I am townreading Mala and scumreading the person I'm voting, which actually is a wonderful combination.
@Ghatokaca,
This does not answer my question. Could you reread it and answer accordingly?

@Malakittens,
I have not interracted with BROsieden yet. Have you made an attempt at refuting my case yet?
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Post Post #452 (isolation #21) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:32 am

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In post 393, Malakittens wrote:Hanzo just link me to the freaking case. Maybe I haven't touched on it because either I thought I have or it's not popping out on me, Kay?

And interactions is a bad way to phrase what I mean. I'm just fucking suscipious about how he's attacked me for me being annoyed at your RVS vote and how you piggybacked that thing to hell and back.

@Malakittens
, Below this statement you will see my main case against you. The reason im reluctant to ease off of it is because I do not see where you have properly refuted it. Nor has anyone else for you. If you have refuted this case and I did not see it could you link it? If someone else has could you link it?
In post 170, Hanzo_5 wrote:
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:First you voted lazy, imo. Second, you came into this game knowing there was hydra's. I'm kinda interested to see if you have had this hydra hate in prior games of yours or if it's just a new thing. Third, I was townreading that hydra at the time so it felt off.

I just hated the fact you singled that hydra out.
@Malakittens,
I am reading that my vote was stupid, to you, because you did not like it. You did not like it because, 1)you felt it was lazy, 2)You were town reading the hydra i voted for at the time. 3) I came into this game knowing there were hydras.
In post 134, Malakittens wrote:I really don't give a crap that he voted for a hydra. it's the reason why he voted for the hydra. It was lazy as fuck. I know Hanzo was talking to the hydra, but Bazinga wasn't the only hydra in Page 1 to post. Singling Bazinga out while to me was being obv town was a REALLY bad vote
@Malakittens,
This is in reality a false statement. Or atleast a misleading one. I quoted you in this post already giving two reasons that have nothing to do with why I voted. Yet you here you attempt to seperate your 3 reasons that explain why my vote is stupid into 1 reason and 2 general statements.

UNVOTE: Bazinga
VOTE: Malakittens
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In post 444, Ghatokaca wrote:I like Mala-fervor early game, and I additionally like her caution in reading PA and mollie because it is, at the very least, not falling into the quick sorting trap that usually comes from Mala-scum. I like Mala being a little overly defensive of mollie early, and her freaking out about Bert mindgames + posting a hell of a lot more than she usually does while being frustrated by her performances in other games seems pretty good. I really really like early concern with mollie being passive, yeah it's a bit early to expect the towniness to happen, but the actual real concern over mollie's slot feels a hell of a lot better than a little bit of faked paranoia. I like the way she responds to Zdenek telling her to vote Cabd; it has all the makings of a good "I told you what you needed to know already, listen" dismissiveness. I also agree that Mala's big scumtell is that she tends to get quiet when people push her and she's a big wagon; one of the things that impressed me most about her in Olympian when I was scum against her was how well she handled Wisdom's continued tunneling of her as opposed to elsewhere.
@Ghatokaca,
If I am interpreting this passage correctly, the reasons you are town reading molly are: 1) It was active early game. 2)It is not quick sorting Penguin-Alien(Medea the Alien) and Mollie(Bazinga). 3)It is overly defensive of Mollie early despite her recent performances in other games. 4)It did not like the "mind games" played by Bert(Bazinga). 5)It was concerned with Mollie being passive. 6)You like its interactions with Zdenek. 7) You feel that Malakittens' scumtell is that she gets quiet when people push her and she's a big wagon.

1)I agree that Malakittens was active early games.However, what about "being active" early is indicative of alignment?
2)I have to disagree completely with this point. Post clearly establishes that Malakittens is town-reading both Bazinga and Medea the Alien. Furthermore, on page 4 post she admits to town reading Bazinga. I see this as quick sorting. Admittedly more Bazinga than Medea the Alien
3)I do not see how you can town-read any player for being overly defensive of another player in the following context: 1)Overly defending a RVS vote, 2)Overly Defending any player on page 2-5.
4)I agree that not liking anti-town actions is a town tell. However, I do not think this is a strong town tell. Dislike of anti-town activity is a weak tell because, both mafia and town can dislike it while still being alignment motivated but, encouraging anti-town activity is scummy.
5)I agree with you on this point. It was very town of her to question her read when her read was based on someone who was being more passive.
6)I agree with you on this point.
7)This is a meta argument, inherently it is a WIFOM argument. I could easily spin this to "Malakittens knows that is her scumtell and is not doing it there fore she is scum".

@Nacho head,
was the passage i quoted you? Let us pretend Mollie is a solo player and not a Hydra for my next question. If you were reading her independent of bert how would you be reading her so far?

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Could more people answer the following quote or link to where you already have?
In post 376, Hanzo_5 wrote:Can we get more pressure on the Malakittens wagon? It would appear that you all are either splitting votes or not voting Malakittens because you are town-reading Malakittens. If you are town reading her, and it is not a gut reason, Do provide your analysis that lead to that conclusion. If you are not town-reading her please argue as to why your lynch candidate should take precidence.

Lets get this game moving forward.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #22) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:41 am

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@Ghatokaca,
I forgot to say that I do not know what to make of your read. Some of it seems like you are stretching the truth to be more convincing. Some of it is dead on. In any case, I am looking forward to Malakittens defense. Also Depending on Nacho's answer I will have formed a read on you. and I will detail my findings in a later post.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #23) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:55 am

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In post 456, ToastyToast wrote:@Hanzo_5: i'm sort of unclear on why you think mala is scum. Regardless of the accuracy of her claim that voting for a hydra is lazy (it actually IS lazy, but that doesn't mean its scummy. Have ya'all seriously never been in a game where someone tries to start a policy lynch?), is it not a town act to challenge a persons seemingly vague and unsupported vote?
I generally hate meta arguments, but I may have to check out some of your game history. There is something about the perceived emotionless nature of your posts that is making my gut twitch. I don't trust people who have little to no emotional reaction to a person's attack on their allignment.

@ToastyToast,
Your correct I need to be more clear. It is scummy to scrutinize RVS votes. She was not the only one doing it at the time so i did not vote for her initially.When she changed up her reasoning behind going for my RVS vote to simply stating it was lazy. I found it to be scummy because initially Malakittens reasons included defending a town read. I think that Malakittens realized it was not the best play to include that in her reasoning and attempted to retract it before anyone picked up on it. This is what attracted my vote/

That is all i really have against her. I realize that this is not much but, this is D1. I think that more alignment information can be obtained from applying pressure. I do not see myself backing down from my stance until she switches from scum to null or town in my reads.
In post 456, ToastyToast wrote:1) It depends on the intent, 2) what if its their meta to act in such a way? 3) There is this thing called gut, and certain players have particularly strong ones. Also Mina put it in null-town, which is...still null, so...what exactly is the point of you pointing this out? Seems like a random read to focus on.
@ToastyToast,
The intent was clear. fluffing and sheeping is in general a null tell by itself. It's not allignment indicative. It is playstyle indicative.

Out of game meta is does not mean much to me. If I'm going to use meta it will be in game meta. To be clear I tend to examine in game day to day play style. When a player does something uncharacteristic compared to how they have been playing I can analyze it better, ask for their intent, and determine if that was town or scum motivated. My methods are not flashy but, they yield results. I am confident that I will at least catch one scum before i die.

I pointed it out as a foot note and direct challenge to that read. Null-town is synonymous to leaning town. If you have someone leaning town i think you should have substantial reasoning behind it. Hypothetically speaking, If I did not have a "real" reason to be saying someone is leaning town, why am i saying this? What motivated me to say this? What did I want town to game from my read? These are the questions I need to get around to asking but it is my hope that other people can pick up on what i do. I'm attempting to be better at this game basically.
In post 456, ToastyToast wrote:Why do you keep asking for affirmation from other players? For someone who seems to prefer logic-based arguments, you seem worried about how other people see your case. Also, why is it bad to defend another player you think is town?

@ToastyToast,
In recent games I have been criticized for not attempting to work with people. My intent is to invite people to work with me. I do not want them to simply tell me i am right or that i am wrong.

I think that there are circumstances in which it is good to defend a player you think is town. The examples i have seen today are out of those circumstances.

I have a theory that attempts to explain why it is bad to defend Unconfirmed town before they defend themselves. I will begin with stating that town does not know any other players allignment on D1 in most set ups. If a player begins to build a case on some one you may think is town, what exactly do you gain from defending your townread before they can defend themselves. I believe the only thing you can gain is Town Cred from that player and anyone else who is town reading that player. You can also posture up for what you know is a myslynch if you are scum. To me defending someone before they defend themselves will always be scum tell to me.
In post 457, Ghatokaca wrote:What passage are you talking about here?
If Mollie was a solo player and not a hydra, I'd be reading her as town for meta reasons. My read on that hydra will mostly be dictated by my read on her anyways, so it's like I'm reading them solo.
@Nacho Head of Ghatokaca,
The passage in the post you were responding too.

Considering that is how you are reading Bazinga, would you say mollie is being passive this game?

Additionally, now that you have said that she is weary of you and others. I need to find a way to prove this otherwise i may just be being biased but, I feel like she is posting less, and less the more I am getting more people to speak about her. What do you think of my thoughts?

Finally, your responses to my posts leave me with much to think about. And this wall is already getting rather large. So I will get back to you more in depth, later.

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I know that you are not feeling well and I am sorry to hear that. Could you make responding to me a priority when you get a chance to log in? I do appologize if I seem at all pushy or demanding. I'm wavering a bit on your scumminess depending on some of the responses i hope to get back.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #24) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:48 pm

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In post 484, bazinga wrote:@Hanzo, what players do you think are the most likely to be scum, in no particular order? Also, please don't respond with a wall - I just want a concise explanation if possible for that, to get right to the point. I was looking for when you've shown that you've processed some reads to see what direction you are headed towards, but I couldn't find any...
@Bazinga,
I'm thinking that Ghatokaca is scum depending on how he answers my questions. If Ghatokaca is scum then I can see Bazinga being a scum buddy. Malakittens is likely to be scum if Ghatokaca is town. If Malakittens is scum then I can see notscience being a scum buddy.
In post 485, Ghatokaca wrote:What do you think of osseus scrutinizing both Ampersand's RVS vote as well as yours?
@Ghatokaca,
I think that it is scummy.
In post 485, Ghatokaca wrote:A little bit, yeah.
But I don't think her passivity is relative to how much people talk about her and I think that a lot of the angles that she's decided to take are pretty aggressive against players with a lot of swing in this playerlist. Would you disagree with that?
@Ghatokaca,
I disagree, I think you are scum now.
In post 492, Ampersand wrote:Mafia is a game of communication, not one of theories. Communicating freely is a good thing and not a scum tell.

P-edit: what if we were scum together though?
@Ampersand,
My theory explains why i think defending unfirmed town is bad. I never said communication was a scum tell. Furthermore, mafia is a game of psychology not communication. I do not know what purpose this sentence served. Could you explain its purpose to me?

Was that question for me?
In post 494, ToastyToast wrote:@Hanzo: It is simply bad strategy to obsess over one read and keep everyone else in null. Even if you are slow at developing reads like myself, you should have some other suspicions at this point.
@ToastyToast,
I have suspicions but i was not asked about my suspicions, by Zdenek.

@Malakittens,
Here is a clear-er example of my case against you.
In post 483, Hanzo_5 wrote:It is scummy to scrutinize RVS votes. She was not the only one doing it at the time so i did not vote for her initially.When she changed up her reasoning behind going for my RVS vote to simply stating it was lazy. I found it to be scummy because initially Malakittens reasons included defending a town read. I think that Malakittens realized it was not the best play to include that in her reasoning and attempted to retract it before anyone picked up on it. This is what attracted my vote/
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In post 500, Malakittens wrote:I literally don't know where I would begin to attempt to 'defend' myself on this. I feel like the only thing I can do is comment because we are having a difference of an opinion on the way you chose to vote early in the game.
@Malakittens,
My argument is not a different opinion on the way I chose to vote. My case against you is saying you changed the reasoning behind you attack to be more about me and less about defending your town read. I think you realized that attacking an RVS to defend a town read looks scummy and tried to change it.

Do you have an explanation for what I'm saying you did? I have stated why i think you did it.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #25) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:21 pm

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In post 552, Ghatokaca wrote::neutral:
why?
@Nachohead of Ghatokaca,
I think your hydra is scum becasue i disagree with your assessment of mollie's posts and general passiveness. I think you are covering for her. Keep in mind this isnt a strong read if it was a strong read i would be voting for you.

A large part of what is weakening my scumread on you is that you have not outright called me scum yet. I typically do not care for "allies" in a game where anyone could be the enemy. I feel that you know this much about so nothing can be gained from "being in my corner" for a lack of better words.However, I could be wrong on you read of me or have missed it .I believe there are more than 3 people reading me as scum at this point. What is your read of me? What do you think of the fact that part of my read on you is tied to how you are reading me?
In post 557, bazinga wrote:the biggest thing with ossy is a similar thing with hanzo; the discrediting of the process of the scumhunting tool (meta) with no real conviction on the read they are arguing about. it is just a generalised "I hate meta argument" and yet...I bet they both use meta? so goal is to discredit the process in order to for the lose confidence on the meta read on the player they were giving it but not to attack/defend the read itself. <----- scum motivation right here. a town player would be more likely to back up the discrediting with a "you are wrong, they are doing x which is objectively scummy fuck your meta read they are scum!" altho I think ossy thing was actually trying to defend himself. it is the lack of commitment to what they intend to with the attainment of that goal, it leaving options while trying to lynch the person who is putting forth the meta argument, that makes it look so scummy.
@Bazinga,
I have been trying to figure out a way to refute meta arguments without simply discarding it as useless meta.The reason is because I do not think meta is 100% useless for some players. I have seen players catch scum with meta. I know that I cannot use meta, therefore, it is useless to me. I stay away from all things meta normally.

Additionally, objectively scummy actions and behavior are easier for me to detect without "meta vision".

Finally, I have not attacked or defended a read based on meta. I ignored them and in some cases agreed with them. I think that you just attempted to make me out to appear to have scum motivation because i do not use meta. As if it is some kind of basis in which i would discredit reads. In fact I was more than willing to work with the Nacho head of Ghatokaca's meta based Malakittens reads because he was able to apply it to the game and explain it in a way that was understandable.

Overall I think the quoted passage was a subtle misrepresentation of me. I find that to be scum motivated. I will not be surprised when you start pushing for my lynch.
In post 563, Ampersand wrote:I'm trying to be helpful. You're going to learn to approach this game less mechanically if you want to connect to this playerlist.
@Ampersand,
Perhaps if this were a different kind of game. My play style reflects my mechanical approach to problem solving. I am trying my best in this game esp., to stop my personality from showing through. In past games i've found that becoming passionate did not help me catch scum. In fact it kind of pushed me to tunneling other players.
In post 570, notscience wrote:So yeah, no mollie seal of approval=no nacho lynch
@notscience,
Did you ever consider the hypothetical situation that, if they were scum together it would be a better play to not buss each other if they could avoid being lynched?

You do not need to answer this. I honestly do not think you will as you seem to be unwilling to work with me. I cannot read you from your play confidently. However, I still think that you are scum. I will stick to associatives and VCA for reading you with more confidence.
In post 578, Malakittens wrote:I have zero qualms about defending a townread. ZERO qualms I don't care if it makes me the scummiest person on the face of the earth. If I have a strong enough townread on a player I'll defend them to hell and back.
@Malakittens,
this is not an explanation of the actions of which you are being accused by me. If what you say is true you would not have attempted to change your reasoning behind your attack when you were questioned about it. I think what you did is more or less posturing if i understand the meaning of the term.

You do not need to respond.
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I think that the scum team is Ghatokaca, Bazinga, Mallakittens/Notscience. Everyone one else is null, except Zdenek. Zdenek is strong town for D1.

Zdenek seems to be actively looking for scum. He is following his reads and producing evidence that supports his reads. He does not seem to be attempting to buddy or defend other players. He is being a productive member of town. If i were scum i would kill him first.

I have some rereading to do to establish some town reads.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #26) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:40 pm

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Post Post #678 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:44 pm

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In post 673, bazinga wrote:beep boop

that is me trying to be humourously facetious and apparently failing. I don't think any1 is gonna say that in this game except mebbe
hanzoderporscumz
it isn't an issue in this game I am merely pointing out that a lot of players would consider this a dyed in the wool scumtell when it isn't
Your a Jerk, I pretty much derp as town in everygame im in so when im scum i can get away with it. Gotta use that meta somehow lol.

Okay that was a lie, But im not derping im just not good at this lol.
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Post Post #679 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:46 pm

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Also, im Huuuur Town as FUCK duuuur, so lets all sheep me and lynch Malakittens for my huuuur horrible reasons and weak case that could not be refuted duuur.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #29) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:48 pm

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Ayo Zdenek, Howabout we let players defend themselves on day1 and stop looking for ways to be involved that do not involve scum hunting. Are you scum reading Brosieden?
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Post Post #694 (isolation #30) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 am

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Zdenek, I was just confirming what i thought, I know the difference between scumhunting and scumreading.

I'm reluctant to move my vote from malakittens, I'm still suspecting her but i will give her some room to breathe maybe i can catch her on some more scummy shiznizzle.

UNVOTE: Malakittens

So Bazinga, are you scum reading Ghatokaca yet?
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Post Post #698 (isolation #31) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:59 am

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I dont see mollie bussing nacho as a scum team, but i sure do find it odd that nacho is not trying to interact with mollie and not trying to lynch the slot shes in.

"im town reading her but, i need to not interact with the people i think is on my team, esp. the ones who can read me very well"

I feel like hes doing something along those lines.
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Post Post #700 (isolation #32) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:19 am

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:lol:
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Post Post #809 (isolation #33) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:15 pm

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And here we are with subtle Ghatokaca defenses!

VOTE: Malakittens
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Post Post #811 (isolation #34) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:44 pm

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My scum read is based on Nacho and Mollies interraction. Malakittens is obviously the person i am referring too. If you have read my posts ive already said why i am scum reading nacho and by proxy ghato and when i decided to read them that way. To be honest i think one of bazinga and ghato are likely scum based on how they are interracting with each other.

Ill have to reread his big list this game is getting dull and my other games are more exciting so i need to pay more attention to this one i guess. More later...
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Post Post #844 (isolation #35) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:09 am

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Alright I am completely fucking lost. LOL I dont know what to make of your guys reactions anymore. I feel like im just staying with my malakittens vote so i dont float off into space. lol Im gonna do a reread and get back on track with this game tomorrow. V/LA for today tho because i have a hot date with the wife. AND YES YOU ALL SHOULD BE JEALOUS!
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Post Post #993 (isolation #36) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:57 pm

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Okay Im back i did a reread.

I find that the fanatic defense of malakittens on D1 is just to much to over come. I do not think that I am a good enough player to ever push this lynch.
VOTE: Toasty Toast.

Ossy I feel like you believe toasty is more scummy than Ghatokaca. Why are you not voting for him?
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It seems to me that Notscience, bazinga, Malakittens, and Ghatokaca are really making it impossible to lynch a player they do not want to be lynched. Is this an acceptable town tactic on d1 to almost prevent lynches withere vote splitting wagoning technique?
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Post Post #997 (isolation #37) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:20 pm

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Yeah thats nice and all notscience, but no one cares about your vibes. If you think i am scum vote for me. If you want to establish a read on me then do that. But no one cares about your intangable unsubstantial vibes. Its just fluff as far as I'm concerned. Wish I was dayvig so i could shoot one of your quartet. So tired of this damn wagon embargo lol.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #38) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:08 pm

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VOTE: Ghatokaca

malakittens its not about you. I generally feel like you 4 are trying to some type of lynch embargo. Its lame and its like them alliances on survivor. This is day 1 there can be no alliance
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #39) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:09 pm

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One more to hammer lets do it!
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #40) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:10 pm

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nvm cant count 2 more lets go!
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:33 pm

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Yeah but ampersand hacent you heard about the new meta being scummy on purpose is the new town tell. No way bro is scum. As a matter a fact everyone who scum read him is now scum per the new meta. WP Bro WP
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:01 pm

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That lynch embargo hiding behind hes town cuz of meta.

Can we lynch me instead of an UNCC'd PR claim? Im clearly the worst player here and like i doubt i will be NK'd you guys really want me in LyLo.

P-EDIT: That scum mina vote split. Hammer someone.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:08 pm

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Why? you guys are scum. Bro is town. I only self hammer anyway lol

Notscience cant read scum. Her meta is to call scum town lol.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:22 pm

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NS cannot read scum at all. Why are we trying to lynch an UNCC'd PR?

lol LOL LOOOOOL

A partial cc is not a CC.

Lets lynch Ghato things already.

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Post Post #1369 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:50 pm

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Bazinga is conf scum for forcing a nl
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:52 pm

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Except Hanzo
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Post Post #1378 (isolation #47) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:53 pm

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Hanzo is town and NS is a completely useless player who can only townread eveyrone
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Post Post #1407 (isolation #48) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:38 pm

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VOTE: Malakittens

Can we lynch the scum now?

This or Ghato today. It would be absurd to not lynch one of these.
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #49) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:59 pm

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IDK what a fuck tunnel is but it sounds kinky. Per Bro you need to be lynched first so I'm gonna go with that.

But I will change my vote to ghat things if that wagon gets a rolling.
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #50) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:12 pm

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Yeah so malakittens soft cc'd a claim and used that as a basis not believe it. Sounds weak to me. Sounds like a made up reason. And even if it wasnt made up how is "outguessing the mod" a good enough reason to not believe the claim.

Mala you are going to have to claim or something so we can see how you came to that conclusion. I mean your soft cc kinda got Bro Lynched. I mean, he was an UNCC'd Vig when does town ever lynch that D1?

I think that is the next best move.
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Post Post #1415 (isolation #51) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:18 pm

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In post 1414, Mina wrote:Hey, you know what would have helped save BROseidon? If you'd bothered to show up for the deadline instead of leaving your vote parked on Osseus and forcing BRO to be lynched. You don't get to berate us.

Vote: Ghatokaca for now. I'm in the middle of explaining why.
You what would have helped broseidan? You not hammering him. No matter how you look at it Mina, It was your fault.
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #52) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:28 pm

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Nah mina accept it you made a mistake. Dont worry I make those all of the time. But enough about that.

Lets get this Mala wagon going.
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Post Post #1424 (isolation #53) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:44 pm

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Yeah whatever, lynch me now then might as well get it out of the way its not like my opinion is being respected as it is.

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This is part me helping town in the long run and part me giving up. I feel like certain people in this game have a personal problem with me. And the rest of the people in this game think I'm too dumb to have good ideas. I think I will just stick to the newbie que.
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:01 pm

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Perhaps I just need to replace out. Im not going to force anyone to play with me who does not want to. And believe me when i say this, there are players in this game who personally do not like me for whatever reasons they have. So much that I recently have not been able to get into any games because of WOTC. Now I know Im not being offensive to anyone or atleast it is not my intention to do so. So its either that or certain players do not think that I am good enough to be in games with them.

@Mod, Like i said I dont want to make anyone have to play with me if they have major concerns with playing with me. For the good of the game could you replace me out? I will keep playing if this is not a good enough reason.


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Post Post #1438 (isolation #55) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:08 pm

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Mina, Thank you. I appreciate your kindness :D. But, focus on the game the last thing I want to do is be a distraction, I will wait patiently for the mod to come to a decision.
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #56) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:12 pm

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Toasty its not about my confidence. I dont think really understood what I was saying.

Malakittens i am not tunneling you. I have never been tunnelling you I see other players but you have done things that strike me as more scummy than others. I do not think this is tunneling. In anycase mina brought up a good point and i just dont see you making that move as town. I do see that it was not the best thing you could have done. IME outguessing the mod does not lead to the result we often anticipate.
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Chamber whats the big idea here? Her role in no way counter claims a vig. We have no idea what the mafia has and they could very well be stacked as well. Also he never claimed to be a dayvig he hinted that he had to shoot at night which removes a lot of the lethality of his claim right then and there. So why are you trying to argue that it was a CC to a vig?

PEdit: I am biased because i know my role but what am I doing or have done that is so scummy? I dont think I have done anything this game that is scum motivated or with scum intent. Im trying my do give my a game here because i already knew coming in that I was gonna be seen as a weaker player. So this is the best I've got if its not good enough I am sorry but please do not try and scum read me because you do not like what I am saying.

And if we are being honest. I am not being completely brain dead useless here i think I am making some good points.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #57) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:37 am

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VOTE: Ghatokaca
NS, I think nacho is scum because of his malakittens read and his mollie(bazinga) read. I think that he gave Mala's play too much of a pass and I think that he should have been scum reading mollie because she was fairly inactive in the begining and I have seen where he has caught her as scum for that reason before.
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I mostly deal in a absolutes. I thought you were scum and I gave you ample room and time to convince me of otherwise. By admiting that i have my eye on other players you admit that I do not have tunnel vision and I am not tunneling you. I have a had a change of heart because I just dont see scum risking their lynch that hard to get a vig killed. I still have my doubts and Bro did say the way you claimed allowed for you to wiggle around his flip. So i have you leaning town.
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I'm trying to figure out the intent behind chamber trying to argue whether or not the soft cc was valid. Chamber why did you argue this? And why do you no longer think Ghato is scum.
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Post Post #1506 (isolation #58) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:38 am

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I kind of use the term everyone lightly. So lets not jump all over that.
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Post Post #1584 (isolation #59) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:17 am

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In post 1556, Medea the Alien wrote:I disagree. There were two wagons going that both had a lot of people scum-reading them. Hanzo clearly supported a Ghatokaca wagon over a BRO wagon, and not in a 'lesser of two evils' type of way. Looking back on it, that's scum that wants to be on-record not thinking either lynch was a good idea while voting one anyways.
I disagree. I was for a ghato lynch and I would take BRO's place if it would save BRO from getting lynched. I dont even see where it looks like i dodnt think either lynch is a good idea. I was for a ghato lynch. And not for a bro lynch. Thats a bit of a stretch. Why are you trying so hard to paint scum on me? is it because you dont want to waste a NK on me? Are you trying to set me up to take the lylo fall? I think thats the game plan for today. Because both medea and Ghato are trying to paint me scummy. Ghato seems to be doing it more subtlely but I see it.
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Post Post #1585 (isolation #60) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:37 am

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Neighborizing only at night?(sounds like scum chat)

(But) Claiming a role that does not help scum to know it? All for the purpose of saying Ghato swtiched his reads... So where are you going with this medea? Because if this does not lead anywhere, I'm inclined to think this was all orchestrated so that you can safe claim.
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #61) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:01 am

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Notscience, I am not scumreading mala.
In post 1505, Hanzo_5 wrote:I mostly deal in a absolutes. I thought you were scum and I gave you ample room and time to convince me of otherwise. By admiting that i have my eye on other players you admit that I do not have tunnel vision and I am not tunneling you. I have a had a change of heart because I just dont see scum risking their lynch that hard to get a vig killed. I still have my doubts and Bro did say the way you claimed allowed for you to wiggle around his flip. So i have you leaning town.
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In post 1585, Hanzo_5 wrote:this does not lead anywhere,
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Post Post #1591 (isolation #62) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:06 am

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Anywhere meaningful to be exact.
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Post Post #1603 (isolation #63) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:43 am

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In post 1593, Medea the Alien wrote:What changed between the second and third quotes? Specifics would be good.
The should have said i dont see you making that move as scum.
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Post Post #1604 (isolation #64) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:52 am

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Medea, where is this leading to? why did you claim if you have no real info to out, and push a lynch with it. I say again where is this leading to?
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Post Post #1609 (isolation #65) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:37 am

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In post 1596, Medea the Alien wrote:Reactions, discussion, etc. Plus people were asking about the roleblocker issue, so I'd have given it low odds that we wouldn't have been heavily pressured to claim at some point today anyways. This way there's time to chat.
So you claimed in order to get reactions and start discussions. Also i may be reading this wrong but it seems to me that you claimed early because you thought you would be heavily pressured to claim, because you claim to know there is a roleblocker.
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So the first part of your reason to claim was to give IoA. Thats information over analysis. And the second part was because you figured you would be forced to claim at some point today. I think this claim is fake and i think that both you and ghato are scum and orchestrated this whole even so that you could safe claim. I think you guys are scum together.

Also i do think that I am in everyone but you and mala ns' town pile as misquided town. I think that a player like that is perfect to allow to make it to lylo because it will be easier to pull off a scum win against them. I still do think that this is part of the scum plan. I doubt that i will be nk'd. And that would explain the zdenek kill in my mind to. I think scum is going to try and knock off the unlynchables at night and leave the weaker players to fend for themselves in the day time.
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Post Post #1612 (isolation #66) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:27 pm

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Medea thats the point. In a lylo situation the scum is not going to push on their fake town read. they would push on their fake scum read.

And i analysed the information. so its not IoA. You gave us IoA. In that you are just giving us information and not an analysis. And the information you gave us does what exactly? supports your claim and doesnt help scum all conveinintly. Like I said i think this claim is fake and you guys would have to cook it up together for both of you to be scum. I really doubt that you are a scum NBizer and I really doubt that you would basically tell us how you would use the power while using the power in that way. So if ghat flips town you are more than likely town too in my eyes atleast.

So are you misrepping me now? Because that was not IoA at all....
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Post Post #1623 (isolation #67) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:06 pm

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UNVOTE:
Im gonna have to reread more parts of day one. Im going to try and do what chamber does and look for the scum intent/tells.
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #68) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:43 am

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NS wants to scumread players. NS just scum claimed!

Okay back to seriousness. I think this is a good place for my vote.

VOTE: Medea
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Post Post #1655 (isolation #69) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:37 am

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Um tammy why amd I voting for two people?

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Post Post #1667 (isolation #70) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:37 pm

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Im for a medea or ghatokaca lynch at this point. and I would prefer medea over ghato.
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Post Post #1675 (isolation #71) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:14 pm

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Heres my reads so far.
Town Pile

Hanzo-me
Bazinga- Sure Town
Broseidon-dead-town
malakittens-Leaning Town
Mina-Sure Town
Osseus pseudotripodis-Sure Town
Zdenek-dead-town

Scum Pile

Ghatokaca-Null
Ampersand- Null
Chamber-Toss Up-Probably Town
Medea-Leaning Scum
notscience-Cannot read this player-Probably Town
ToastyToast-Cannot Read this player_Probably Scum
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Post Post #1680 (isolation #72) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:28 pm

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If i dont think your town i open to a lynch on you. thats how I look at it. I just cant see him as town with the competing wagons and the Lynch embargo. IME Scum is always harder to lynch d1 than town because if you buddies dont derp buss you and can get some of the town to townread you. It will be hard to lynch you.
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #73) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:28 pm

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And my scum pile is a list of people i think are scum and a list of people I could be persuaded to vote for.
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #74) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:14 am

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VOTE: Ghatokaca
Im gonna go ahead and put ghato sat L-1 since the meadea wagon is not building.
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Post Post #1780 (isolation #75) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:54 pm

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VOTE: Ghatokaca <-This should be in the votecount
I've made up my mind. I'm done playing these mind games and I think they are scum. If im wrong. SO BE IT!
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:29 pm

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Fair enough mala. Is their a reason you are holding your vote?
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Post Post #1784 (isolation #77) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:56 pm

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Now who's tunneling who mala?!? If I weren't a sentient computer IRL I would begin to think we were devoloping feelings for each other.
At any rate anyone who I do not consider town I will lynch at this point and I will "likely" insta-hammer anyone in that pile that is put at L-1.
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #78) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:08 am

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Cabd, I dont know about you but, I'm more than displeased by how long these days are dragging on. I have made up my mind and as I continue to read the evolution of my reads will continue. There is nothing wrong with willing to lynch players you dont consider town beyond a doubt. It seems as if you are trying to put the idea out there that we should not lynch people who we think could be scum. WE HAVE TO KNOW! For some reason I feel that type of mentality helps scum.
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #79) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:21 am

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Can we got some more votes on ghato please. He is a VT. a lot of you think he is scum. We have a ml to use. lets use it please.

PEdit: Im more inclined to believe mina is town. I usually panic hammer on d1 as scum just to make sure we hit town. But Im really bad at scum so I doubt that anyone in this game will be doing that as scum besides me.

More ghatokaca votes please.
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #80) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:42 am

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ns, I cant read you. im not even trying because its counter productive to what im trying to do this game. NS dont ever forget that this is a game and scum will say and do whatever is necesary to win. If you are scumreading someone and then they start acting town after they are found to be scummy it kind of makes sense that they are scum. And honestly he was at L-1 so many times Lke ossy said how does town walk away from that? IME this would not be considered slowrolling a lynch. This is downright preventing one by not hammering.
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Mala and Cabd, I am not a thing, the correct pronoun for me is he/him. Can you take a real stance and not vite for me please mala. I want to believe you are town so that I canot be caught up in trying to get you lynched while you lynch embargo team is still alive.
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Pedit: Its not you mina. Its Mollie, Medea and Malakittens who are really making this game disturbing. I think that nacho is more or less playing to his wincon. IME with him he does not try to be a douche. Anywho take that time away from the game and comeback with the idea that their play reflects there wincon and that none of this is personal. Thats what im telling my self at any rate.
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Post Post #1888 (isolation #81) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:08 am

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HOW IS GHATOKACA STILL ALIVE? If they flip scum I am going to have them coach my scum game because this lynch dodging is magnificent.
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Post Post #1890 (isolation #82) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:52 am

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Osseus and Ampersand you two can do this, You can hammer.
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Mala kittens voting for me and knowing it isnt going to go anywhere is the exact same thing as unvoting and holding your vote can you please stop derailing the ghato lynch I dont want to start scum reading you again. Not while the lynch embargo crew is up and running. Because that wouldnt go anywhere.
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Post Post #1922 (isolation #83) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:02 am

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Are we really not lynching ghato? Do you honestly believe that there was a competing wagon between two town yesteday. Lets be real. Lets lynch the ghato slot.
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #84) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:37 pm

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78 pages of, "your mafia because of reasons", "no im not, im town reading you btw :D", then ns says "he/she is town".

Its totally worth reading Katsuki(its not).
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #85) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:42 pm

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Almost forgot, at some point we lynched a UNCC'D PR becease
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it was not believable because gladiator with x-shot vig doesn't make sense at all because we know(we don't) that mafia only has goons and not PR's so it would be unbalanced for town to have 2 PR's.
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Post Post #1942 (isolation #86) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:57 am

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THE OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE IS THAT BRO WAS TOWN. NO I STRONGLY DOUBT COMPETING TOWN WAGONS MAKE IT TO THE DEADLINE. DEFEND YOU SCUM BUDDY MORE YOU HAD NO REAL REASON TO NAEGHBORIZE GHATOKACA OF ALL PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE NO REAL REASON TO BE DEFENDING HIM HE IS A CLAIMED VT THAT WAS A COMPETING WAGON WITH A CLAIMED PR. HE NEEDS TO GO AND YOU RIGHT AFTER.
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Post Post #2059 (isolation #87) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:16 pm

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phone posting like a boss. get ur damn votes off of osseus! why is ghato not getting hammered! thirdly mala can you not vote park me and be apart of the game please.
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #88) » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:11 am

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Mina just put your vote on ghato. It looks like mala is vote parking me to keep the hammer. Her play is ever so contradictory of her being town. well it will be if she hammers town imo.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #89) » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:25 am

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Dont hide behind another head bert. Answer the question!
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