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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:01 pm

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Vote Mala


Thats not a reliable tell, shes had too long to get used to it!
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Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:27 pm

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In post 12, Mina wrote:HAHAHAHA, BEFORE YOU FUCKERS CAN DO IT!!!!

VOTE: Mina

I have a guilty on Mina! You should all lynch her.

Wait, are you actually scum? :(.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #2) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:55 pm

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In post 27, Mina wrote:Same question goes to chamber.
Completely serious. It breaks my heart.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #3) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:01 pm

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I'm sure that reference would be funny if I knew anything about bert.
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Post Post #41 (isolation #4) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:10 pm

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But yeah, lets lynch Mina. And then NK me so that I'm in fewer games. Then all will be well.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #5) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:16 pm

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I'm apparently voting you for reasons that aren't what you think? because whatever joke stuff you are talking about is | | that far above my head. Your intro felt forced as fuck, and I don't know why you'd preplan it as town.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #6) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:18 pm

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(also why would you expect that I could read mala that quickly? I can't read anyone that quickly reliably, and I'd like to be reliable with town reads if I even give them at all)
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Post Post #45 (isolation #7) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:18 pm

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(though tbh, I kind of think you 2 are scum together? But thats a really silly line to take 2 pages into day 1)
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Post Post #48 (isolation #8) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:48 pm

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Reading me isn't all that difficult. Most people can do it correctly by the end of day 1 ;).

Its a perfectly fair reason to vote for someone. Its not the strongest evidence in the world, but its page 2. I don't like how you just put words in my mouth and then belittled those words. That's disingenuous if not out right scummy.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #9) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:48 pm

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On an unrelated note, fuck you, I feel like I'm dying. God damn running.
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Post Post #50 (isolation #10) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:53 pm

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You had the post fully written pregame? Or just the idea of it?
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Post Post #53 (isolation #11) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:01 pm

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Well, I'm fine with stopping, but my votes staying where it is then.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #12) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:13 pm

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In post 46, Mina wrote:and she strikes me as someone who'd be nervous and lurky as scum
Why do you think this?
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Post Post #59 (isolation #13) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:01 pm

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In post 56, Mina wrote:See, now is where you tell me if this isn't true.
I have no idea? It seems like its likely true.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #14) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:04 pm

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In post 56, Mina wrote:No one wants to read two people who know each other hyper-focus and drown the thread in pages and pages of nitpicky paranoid back-and-forths
This is basically my play style? Also me knowing you hasn't had much effect on how I'm reading you here? Its not like what I'm saying can't be followed by the others.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:13 pm

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In post 27, Mina wrote:...um...why did you single out bazinga of all the hydras in the game (ninja'd by Mala)?
This question is really quite bad in retrospect, but, it could have just been an issue of focus. Also, not really a ninja of Mala.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:05 pm

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What?
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Post Post #101 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:17 pm

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Its really strange to state it? Because now if people actually listen, you've killed the value of it?
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Post Post #104 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:23 pm

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In post 102, Mina wrote:Do you think Zdenek is scummy, chamber?
I think he said something profoundly stupid.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:24 pm

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I really am an asshole in games these days, aren't I.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:31 pm

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Oh. That reasoning makes it both more and less stupid at the same time. Now stating it is less strange but wanting it is pointless.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:55 pm

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Likely true. I haven't rolled scum often in recent years. I can't even remember my last solo scum game. 2 hydra games come to mind (flash and entanglement).
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Post Post #120 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:01 pm

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In post 118, Zdenek wrote:
In post 115, chamber wrote:2 hydra games come to mind (flash and entanglement).
Which hydras?
Those are the names of the hydras.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:03 pm

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In post 102, Mina wrote:Do you think Zdenek is scummy, chamber?
Nope.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:06 pm

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In post 112, Zdenek wrote:I don't recall you being obnoxiously literal in past games.
Competing wagons between scum kind of suck? Its better to have scum/town competing wagons so you can actually learn things about those partaking.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:16 pm

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In post 126, Zdenek wrote:What are your takes on Medea and Hanzo?
Nothing.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:18 pm

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In post 129, BROseidon wrote:
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
Because it indicates you looking to be spoon fed an answer instead of trying to think about the motivation behind Hanzo's vote as either alignment.

It should have been obvious why Hanzo's vote went to Bazinga over the other hydras.
I mean, yeah it was, but Mina's question was the more offensive in that regard? I even already pointed this out.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:39 pm

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Its not clear to me who you are talking to there, bro?
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Post Post #148 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:53 pm

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In post 142, Malakittens wrote:He's talking to me if it's his last two posts you are referring too.
I was talking to mollie and was asking if it was to bro >_>.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #29) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:58 pm

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In post 151, bazinga wrote:
In post 148, chamber wrote:
In post 142, Malakittens wrote:He's talking to me if it's his last two posts you are referring too.
I was talking to mollie and was asking if it was to bro >_>.
I am not sure how you are confused since I addressed bro by name at the start of my post!
Because I was dumb and read bro in a generic usage of the word. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro


This is me actually being invested in a game notscience. IE: town me. You've only seen lazy town me before I'm guessing.
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Post Post #160 (isolation #30) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:09 pm

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In post 157, bazinga wrote:okay but you used the same word with the exact same spelling but were confused when I used it? that doesn't make sense

Are you actually being serious here?

I read things and process their meaning prior to writing responses, therefore wasn't thinking of the words but their processed meaning when writing what I wrote.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #31) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:20 pm

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I'm just going to ignore you.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #32) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:49 pm

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In post 163, bazinga wrote:okay?

I mean I am having a hard time with wondering if this is a collision of worldviews or if you are scum.
I feel like I'm being trolled, so the former if you've been serious the whole time.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #33) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:39 pm

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In post 171, bazinga wrote:Are you asking us not to use notscience's town meta of you??
His meta is wrong, so yes. If you want someone to give meta on me ask CES?
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Post Post #215 (isolation #34) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:22 pm

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^are posts like this normal for this guy?
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Post Post #226 (isolation #35) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:19 pm

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They are already readable.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #36) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:38 pm

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I'm not, they just made it pretty easy this game.
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Post Post #231 (isolation #37) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:46 pm

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Not already understanding it would make me pretty worried.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #38) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:47 pm

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In post 232, Mina wrote:townread
Where'd I say that ;).
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Post Post #247 (isolation #39) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:18 pm

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Did the same person write and ?
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Post Post #271 (isolation #40) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:15 pm

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Issue: I'm the only one voting Mina.
Solution: You yes YOU; vote for Mina.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #41) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:08 pm

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You think Mina might be scum? Good enough, I'll have your sword if mollie wont!
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Post Post #284 (isolation #42) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:06 pm

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I'm pretty obvtown.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:51 am

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In post 286, Mina wrote:More stuff coming tonight, but chamber, I just think you should know that your read on me is embarrassingly bad right now.
If you were patrick this might be meaningful.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:04 am

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I do.

If you can't separate peoples reads from their alignment, I don't have any good advice for you; Sometimes townies are wrong(like 50% of the time for me).
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Post Post #296 (isolation #45) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:06 am

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In post 286, Mina wrote:Like, almost as bad as Hanzo's vote on Malakittens.
This read might be better than mine.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #46) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:18 am

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I have no idea what the word trajectory means as its used these days. Use actual English please.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #47) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:21 am

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In post 297, bazinga wrote:
In post 295, chamber wrote:I do.

If you can't separate peoples reads from their alignment, I don't have any good advice for you; Sometimes townies are wrong(like 50% of the time for me).
this is weird, cos people's reads can be every single bit indicative of their alignment. sometimes town are wrong. what is alignment indicative is if you observe the trajectory behind it and see how it does not match up. and I am observing yours and I am not following how you got there especially after your exchanges with her.
Like, its fair to think someone is scummy for not believing how they came to a read, or to find the way they are pushing a suspect scummy. The read itself is pretty null in most situations though. I think this would be a really silly lynch to try and chase as mafia!chamber because its not likely to pay any dividends until like day3, and by then I'd have CES on my ass if I were scum.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #48) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:24 pm

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I'm lovely company.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #49) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:59 pm

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Yeah Macbeth is probably a good game to compare me to this game. Feels about the same.
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Post Post #359 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:20 pm

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In post 352, bazinga wrote:
In post 170, Hanzo_5 wrote:@Bazinga, It seems to me that your intent is to establish a read based on Chambers misinterpretation of the word bro and who it was aimed at. Is that your intent?

If the Bert head is going to do all of the scumhunting oriented posts could you two please start signing your posts.
I'm not doing the scumhunting oriented posts, but my posts are easy to tell apart from Mollie's save the early impersonating posts in RVS.
In post 152, chamber wrote:Because I was dumb and read bro in a generic usage of the word. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro
I'm not Mollie, but this doesn't pass any smell test! Far-fetched and unreasonable!
What do I gain by lying about that ._. It just makes me look like an idiot (because I was one?)
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Post Post #364 (isolation #51) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:59 pm

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In post 312, Malakittens wrote:Why did you have to make my gut ping due to this. I really just hope you aren't faking this now.
Honestly I hadn't made any ignoring you connection. I think the similarities lie elsewhere. I'm likely ignoring you now (as you claim I did then) because interacting with you doesn't seem like it would yield much information.
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Post Post #400 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:25 pm

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In post 398, pirate mollie wrote:and yet gives a self meta argument in the very next post
It was more a 'you are terribly misapplying my meta' statement. When someones coming at you with meta how do you expect to defend yourself without self metaing?
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Post Post #409 (isolation #53) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:53 pm

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In post 403, bazinga wrote:
In post 400, chamber wrote:
In post 398, pirate mollie wrote:and yet gives a self meta argument in the very next post
It was more a 'you are terribly misapplying my meta' statement. When someones coming at you with meta how do you expect to defend yourself without self metaing?
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You don't know what a chainsaw defense is if that's what you are implying. I'm not attacking you, I'm calling your point dumb, cause it is.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #54) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:29 pm

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Unvote Vote: ghatokaca
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Post Post #443 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:28 pm

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@Ghatokaca:
How about explaining the misunderstanding or miscommunication that goes behind that contradiction instead of just attacking him back over it?
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Post Post #486 (isolation #56) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:10 am

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Lynch the fuck out of this Ghatokaca guy please.
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Post Post #488 (isolation #57) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:22 am

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Yes, indeed.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #58) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:48 am

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In post 456, ToastyToast wrote:Are you ever lazy scum?
I'd say that I'm probably motivated in about half of my town games, and approximately 0 of my scum games. Though I can often fake it as scum for a day or 2 before just completely getting buried in 'fuck, I'm scum' apathy.
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Post Post #493 (isolation #59) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:14 pm

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That's a pretty boring question from your POV, the only use answering it serves is incriminating me after you flip scum. :(.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #60) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:57 pm

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In post 521, Malakittens wrote:How about we explain the naked vote on them?
If I felt like explaining I would have. Asking me about it, especially after someone else has and I blew them off, is just going to annoy me not get me to answer.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #61) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:22 pm

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What needs explaining from CES there, Mina?

I don't feel like I was being coy. I'm scum reading that slot. Its day 1 though and I've been worse at reading CES more recently and its a hydra so who the fuck knows how accurate I am. I'm not going to lynch him day1, I'll let him night kill me and then not worry about it.

For what its worth though, I found Fenchurch's post pretty damning. She talked about a conversation with him that doesn't feel like it happened based on the result?
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Post Post #530 (isolation #62) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:40 pm

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outrage pure outrage
what are we angry about?
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Post Post #532 (isolation #63) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:07 pm

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In post 238, Ampersand wrote:I said this last night and CES didn't counter, so I'm gonna assume he's okay for me to:

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #533 (isolation #64) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:08 pm

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You've hydra'd with CES. Do you not see the issue with that that I do?
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Post Post #538 (isolation #65) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:04 pm

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Ghatokaca is seriously scum.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #66) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:26 pm

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You are being transparent about things that don't matter.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #67) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:00 pm

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In post 537, Ghatokaca wrote:And ToastyToast, meta is an incredibly useful tool to scumhunt with. It gives you a baseline on what to expect from someone, what their town and scum play is like, how react to pressure, how they scumhunt, and what their activity is like as both affiliations. Most non-meta reads that people develop tend to have too many non-alignment indicative tells that are actually playstyle-based as opposed to affiliation based. A lot of common "scumtells" that people tend to use fall under the same category. Meta can be used incorrectly but that only applies to people who don't know how to use meta. Nearly all of the time except once that I've used an extensive meta-dive to develop a read on a player, I've been right. It can be invaluable if you know how to use it.

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Like this. Who the fuck cares? Its transparent but that's because its mafia theory not game relevant.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #68) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:53 am

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In post 560, notscience wrote:Plus if it doesn't have the mollie seal of approval it's not worth my time
Is Mollie especially good at reading nacho? If so, how good, what sample size?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #69) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:09 pm

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Whats your take on your side of that Fenchurch convo?
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Post Post #583 (isolation #70) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:59 pm

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In post 568, bazinga wrote:
In post 561, chamber wrote:
In post 560, notscience wrote:Plus if it doesn't have the mollie seal of approval it's not worth my time
Is Mollie especially good at reading nacho? If so, how good, what sample size?
first i find this an interesting thing for you to be asking cos I wonder how much stock and what you plan to do with the inf
I asked notscience over you for a reason. I don't trust your ability to self evaluate accurately. (nothing personal, I think the same of nearly everyone in this game).
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Post Post #611 (isolation #71) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:00 am

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In post 609, Ampersand wrote:Fenchurch's take on it in #543 words it more accurately than I'd bother with, probably. I don't really get what your problem with it is supposed to be if that post didn't solve it or why you think Fenchurchscum would even make up a conversation with me?
That was the issue. Or rather it was at least close to it. I know I have a strong impression of thinking you'd explicitly talk about vote placement. Its not something you'd just leave undressed to the point that she would think a plain UNVOTE was ok with you. But a lot of communication between us is implicit, and I'm not entirely sure you actually explicitly talked about it as much as I remember, or if it is just an impression from implicit communication. But then I also wonder why you and Fenchurch can't communicate implicitly on a similar or higher level.

I don't think shes making up the conversation out of nowhere, I just think she was referencing a scum!facsimile of the same conversation. One where you keeping your vote where it is isn't as odd from her POV from your POV.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #72) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:02 am

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@Mina: I was serious when I asked if you didn't see the same issue with that post that I did. (I mean obviously its now been pointed out, but before that)
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Post Post #618 (isolation #73) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:39 am

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In post 616, BROseidon wrote:
In post 614, bazinga wrote:Really? Please go on, cos I think I missed this and now I'm curious
Hanzo posts an RVS vote about hating hydras on your slot.

Mala flips out about it to an unreasonable extreme. Why would she freak out about an RVS vote that much?

Because something in it subconsciously made her nervous is the best answer I can come up with.
Mina's reaction is still the worse of the two.
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Post Post #622 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:52 am

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In post 621, BROseidon wrote:3) Can you come up with a better reason for Mala's freakout, then? Like, bazinga is very town, but Mala's response is still out of place. Hence my line of reasoning. Every other hydra not being in my townreads further supports this (and other people generally being on the same wavelength indicates that I'm not confbiasing).
Go reread the exchange you are talking about, all of the posts around it too. Then come back and try and tell me this question makes sense.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #75) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:27 am

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In post 624, Mina wrote:chamber, can you ACTUALLY explain the cryptic comment about Hanzo's vote on Mala, so I can completely clear all doubt about you from my mind?
A little doubt's a good thing ;).
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Post Post #628 (isolation #76) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:36 am

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I'm not making you read him. I asked about a single aspect of his play because your hydra interactions with him may have been different from my own.
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Post Post #670 (isolation #77) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:22 am

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In post 668, bazinga wrote:also before anybody goes ARRRRRGGGGHHHH YOU ARE CHANGING YOUR READS YOU MUST BE SCUM YOU ARE BEING INCONSISTENT ARRRRRGGGHHH YOU BACKPEDALING ARRRRRGGGHHHH YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF ARRRRGGHHH!!!!
Who were you actually worried would say this? Why were you worried they would say this? Does anyone think changing reads is a scum tell? Doing it convincingly is a town tell. So confused.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #78) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:26 am

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In post 654, Ampersand wrote:But if the vote made implicit (or explicit) sense to me as scum-play, why would I have made an unvote? Or assume that it would be okay for me to post about town-reading Mina?
I didn't say it made sense to you as scum-play. I said it would be easier for CES to think it made sense to you.

Town motivations tend to be a lot clearer and straightforward than scum ones. So I think its a lot easier for the miscommunication to have happened on the scum side of things. Honestly CES just saying he didn't expect you to post at all is the best town answer to my issue. I'm just not sure how much I believe that to be true.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:17 pm

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Bert, we should interact more. Interacting with your other half is too hard.
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Post Post #706 (isolation #80) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:30 am

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This is a pretty good amount.

People are sure they aren't going to wagon Mina right?
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Post Post #708 (isolation #81) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:03 am

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I don't feel like I've made a single outright trolling comment this game. Certainly some misleading or unclear ones, but anything I've stated clearly I've meant.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #82) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:15 am

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That wouldn't be all that strange? I play fairly atypically.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #83) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:47 am

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Stop saying scummy things?
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Post Post #732 (isolation #84) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:10 pm

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In post 721, Mina wrote:Also, although I didn't like how he kept changing his mind on Mala's meta
I don't feel like I ever did this?
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Post Post #735 (isolation #85) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:34 pm

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I haven't seen her as scum in any finished games.

I don't like having town reads early? (which is something CES hinted at earlier) Because I don't believe in town tells that strongly, town is just an absence of scum, so you need to keep it up over a prolonged period before I find it believable?

I'd rather not think anyone is incapable of anything. Her likely being less out going/confident as scum doesn't mean shes incapable of ever being confident/outgoing as scum. I'm pretty incapable of keeping up confidence as scum, yet I can still fake it for short periods.

You seeming like you had meta on her but not wanting to come out and claim that bothered me. Mala pregame mentioning her meta to you was a plausible source of it that you'd want to hide?
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Post Post #739 (isolation #86) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:49 pm

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In post 738, bazinga wrote:but you have been nitpicky sometimes
I've cared about nuance, you may think of them as irrelevant nuances, and thus that I'm nitpicking, but what better a place to catch someone than in details they write off?
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Post Post #760 (isolation #87) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:49 am

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Which posts do you think UT has made? Have you played with him as town? If his ISO in abarat mostly looks bad because of the votes (something I'd agree with?) why does a similar feel to the posts otherwise even mater?
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Post Post #762 (isolation #88) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:36 am

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In post 761, Mina wrote:you're allowed to find the above sequence scummy
It was one of your least scummy post sequences so far?
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Post Post #814 (isolation #89) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:43 pm

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In post 812, Mina wrote:people tunneling
I'm hardly tunneling.
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Post Post #816 (isolation #90) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:03 pm

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In post 815, Mina wrote:That's the most constructive thing you have to add on this page, chamber?
For now at least. A lot of the content since my last post is fairly dense, I've been reading along but it takes a while to process past the surface level, also I just don't agree with a lot of your conclusions and its hard to be constructive beyond just saying that.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #91) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:13 pm

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In post 817, Mina wrote:I'd actually appreciate being persuaded one way or another
As a rule I try not to do this in player lists I respect, unless I've very confident of my read. Use your own reads.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:27 pm

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In post 779, Ghatokaca wrote:"town is just an absence of scum" in 735 which literally made me headdesk and want to yell at my computer screen.
Can you explain why this made you :headdesk: for me?
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Post Post #860 (isolation #93) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:31 pm

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In post 859, Ghatokaca wrote:Because the primary basis of my scumhunting is POE. I couldn't disagree more with your statement. I spend much more time focussing on finding town, and then narrowing down the pool to possible scum.
Eh, I feel compelled to tell you that your approach is fundamentally flawed, but I'm too lazy to argue it. Not an interesting response regardless.
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Post Post #861 (isolation #94) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:12 pm

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@Anyone with a read on notscience: what?
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Post Post #862 (isolation #95) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:50 pm

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In post 255, ToastyToast wrote:
In post 63, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Don't like Toasty right now, look at all those scummy posts :P
Unvote
Why unvote me if you weren't going to move your vote to someone else?
Did I miss him answering this when I was skimming?
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Post Post #864 (isolation #96) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:11 pm

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I'm sure you think that. I'll stick to my 'what?'.
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Post Post #867 (isolation #97) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:20 pm

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In post 865, bazinga wrote:mebbe next time you might want to clarify who's answers you will find acceptable?
You didn't answer my question.

I wasn't asking what people thought, it was a combination of a statement of incredulity that someone could get a read from his content this game + a question to explain where such reads were coming from because I just don't see it.
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Post Post #897 (isolation #98) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:22 pm

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In post 862, chamber wrote:
In post 255, ToastyToast wrote:
In post 63, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Don't like Toasty right now, look at all those scummy posts :P
Unvote
Why unvote me if you weren't going to move your vote to someone else?
Did I miss him answering this when I was skimming?
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In post 901, bazinga wrote:join the club, buddy
Is this a statement agreeing with my assessment of those pages or one asking me to start posting? I can't tell from context because both confuse me.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #100) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:50 am

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Do you think it reflects poorly on those who drew conclusions more quickly than us?
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Post Post #905 (isolation #101) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:01 am

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Unvote Vote Osseus pseudotripodis
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Post Post #908 (isolation #102) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:30 am

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In post 906, Ampersand wrote:Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
He may be scum. His posts to me are mostly unreadable walls of meh, so I'll abstain for now.
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Post Post #909 (isolation #103) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:45 am

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In post 906, Ampersand wrote:
In post 895, BROseidon wrote:
In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?

wat.
Yeah, that was the accusation he was responding to. I know the Nachohydra posts a lot but it's this kind of nonsense with people just refusing to read what's right in front of them that's driving the wagon.

Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
I read this and I wonder, how did Ghatokaca choose the order of his research.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #104) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:17 am

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Unvote


What they were getting at is pretty obvious (though I think incorrect).
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Post Post #940 (isolation #105) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:45 am

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In post 926, BROseidon wrote:
In post 906, Ampersand wrote:
In post 895, BROseidon wrote:
In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?

wat.
Yeah, that was the accusation he was responding to. I know the Nachohydra posts a lot but it's this kind of nonsense with people just refusing to read what's right in front of them that's driving the wagon.

Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
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In post 927, BROseidon wrote:Ambersand, are both of you scum, or just terrible at understanding rhetoric?
I'm afraid its you that missed his point, not the other way around. His post was accusing you of only using rhetoric and of making no attempt to meaningfully understand their pov. Rhetoric has a very limited place in mafia games from town.
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In post 909, chamber wrote:
In post 906, Ampersand wrote:
In post 895, BROseidon wrote:
In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?

wat.
Yeah, that was the accusation he was responding to. I know the Nachohydra posts a lot but it's this kind of nonsense with people just refusing to read what's right in front of them that's driving the wagon.

Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
I read this and I wonder, how did Ghatokaca choose the order of his research.
This is goodposting.
You seem to have missed some of my point aswell. My question is a good one that I want answered, no doubt, but why weren't you able to ask such a critical question yourself? Instead we only get rhetoric. It really does suggest a lack of thought.
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Post Post #942 (isolation #106) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:50 am

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In post 939, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Seriously guys? How about you give me (Bone) a chance to finish with my RL stuff and get into this game again? We're not 'lurking' cause we're scum, we're 'lurking' because of some issues I have had over the past week or so. Last week was hell for me, but I'll be better after today. Don't be stupid and let scum trick you into a "compromise" lynch on a obvious town player who fell off the face of the earth for awhile. What information to you get when we flip town? You will get nothing, because this is a lazy scum-led lynch. You should be looking at Ghakota and shit.
Deadline is in a little over a day if you missed that? So that's not happening. You are just going to get lynched. Claim while you are around, maybe that saves you.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #107) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:59 am

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I'm a big fan of hiding the 'trajectory' behind questions. Perhaps one of the initial supporters of it on this site. But there is a time and place for it, a question that damning hardly needs to be hidden.
In post 927, BROseidon wrote:Ambersand, are both of you scum, or just terrible at understanding rhetoric?
And you label it as rhetoric here.
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Post Post #968 (isolation #108) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:01 pm

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Vote Ghatokaca
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Post Post #971 (isolation #109) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:25 pm

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In post 970, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:oh hey look at that shit chamber wants to be town today
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Post Post #999 (isolation #110) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:42 pm

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24h, toasty isn't happening, pick bro or ghat
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #111) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:10 pm

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You need to claim your person from the play.
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #112) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:10 pm

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And ghat also needs to claim before there is a hammer
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #113) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:28 pm

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That's pretty boring.
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #114) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:38 pm

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Role name.
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #115) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:40 pm

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I'm still willing to d1 lynch mina instead if you guys want. I'm just assuming thats not a real option.
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #116) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:48 pm

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In post 1039, Medea the Alien wrote:And look at how the Ghatokaca wagon grew
Who are the sheep?
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #117) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:13 pm

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Does Chistery make sense as a town claim (seriously don't know)?
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #118) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:55 am

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Vote ghat


HIGHLY opposed to a toasty deadline lynch. Doesn't give us nearly enough info, bro is a much better last minute lynch than toasty.
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #119) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:05 am

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bro being better than toast doesn't make him better than ghat?
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #120) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:13 pm

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If bro lives, and is a vig, he basically can't shoot anyway because of how he claimed it. Annoying.
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #121) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:32 pm

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In post 1215, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1208, chamber wrote:If bro lives, and is a vig, he basically can't shoot anyway because of how he claimed it. Annoying.
If scum have a RB or redirect, yeah :/
Even just them nightkilling you means that your kill deprives us a day and lynch.
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #122) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:10 pm

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In post 1221, Tammy wrote:ghatokaca (5) - Osseus pseudotripodis, Broseidon, Hanzo_5, chamber, zdenek
Broseidon (5) a Ampersand, malakittens, bazinga, Medea the alien, notsicence
the choice is pretty clearly between these two so, choose.
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #123) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:29 pm

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Mina, get your ass in here and vote for 1 of them.
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #124) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:38 pm

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In post 1231, Mina wrote:NO.

YOU CAN'T MAKE ME.
I'd threaten to scum read you if you didn't but~.
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #125) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:06 pm

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In post 1269, Mina wrote:chamber, is Ampersand scum?
I'm pretty sure I already said that he was?
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #126) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:08 pm

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I
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was strongly considering hammering Bro.
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #127) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:16 pm

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In post 1306, Mina wrote:You said you were scumreading him, but hedged a lot on it. I wanted a clear should-I-sheep-you-blindly answer.
You can have a clear answer on Day 3.
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #128) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:27 pm

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In post 1321, Malakittens wrote:Guys seriously,

someone hammer BRO because he's scum.

I don't see F-16/Nacho being scum at this point, I really don't.
How much of this is your role and how much is your reads?
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #129) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:28 pm

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In post 1322, Mina wrote:his rage at the town looks quite real
Hes incapable of being angry as mafia in this situation? It would take an ego but he has one.
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #130) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:29 pm

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In post 1324, notscience wrote:Mala noone's going to bother because molliebert's already promised to hammer nacho16 at deadline.

Then mollie dies tonight and a BRO wagon never reforms while he coasts to endgame to win
Like, its pretty easy to lash out against THIS.
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Post Post #1334 (isolation #131) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:32 pm

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She's claiming PGO.
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #132) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:34 pm

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In post 1336, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1334, chamber wrote:She's claiming PGO.
How the fuck did you get to this?
How did you not?
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #133) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:39 pm

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If I can see it, in this player list, I assume between 3 scum that they can see it too.
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #134) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:42 pm

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I thought we were waiting on ghatos last words?
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #135) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:45 pm

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I will be here until deadline. ~10 mins.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #136) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:47 pm

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I really don't. Just trust all the players in this game that actually know me and are calling me town.

Mina, you also believe that mala was claiming PGO?
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #137) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:50 pm

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No lynch chicken eh?
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Post Post #1374 (isolation #138) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:51 pm

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NOOO We were playing no lynch chicken, we still had 2 mins!
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #139) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:41 pm

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So many scum fucks, I don't know where to start.
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #140) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:46 pm

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In post 1385, bazinga wrote:we talked last night and intend to sheep the shit out of Bro
Why? And how is choosing their 3rd read sheeping the fuck out of them?
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Post Post #1393 (isolation #141) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:54 pm

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In post 1299, BROseidon wrote:less scum:

Ghato
Mala

More scum:

Ambersand
Medea
The order changed for his final list, but I'm pretty sure he didn't have mala as
town
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #142) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:55 pm

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In post 1392, bazinga wrote:
Chamber:

In post 1299, BROseidon wrote:Also final reads list in case someone decides that hammering me is a good idea:

Shining paragon of town:

chamber
zdenek

town, but not so shiny:

Hanzo
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town by PoE:

Toasty
Bones

town but should probably reconsider their life decisions:

ns

less scum:

Ghato
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More scum:

Ambersand
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The why matters more. Also his updated ordering was different, which is the one you referenced in your post.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #143) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:00 pm

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@bazinga: Why'd you ultimately try and force me to lynch BRO via NL scaring? (I would have taken the NL btw).
@mina: Why'd you switch to BRO?
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #144) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:08 pm

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Why did you ultimately decide that BRO was the better lynch than ghat?
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #145) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:18 pm

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No lynch when you have a claimed vig and are at odds isn't even that bad. Shoot to make up for the lynch and prove himself. You didn't think of that when you hammered him? I said I'd be around, you didn't trust me to do what needed to be done?
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #146) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:26 pm

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It wasn't the only option? Bazinga would have hammered ghat.
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #147) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:31 pm

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In post 1365, chamber wrote:Mina, you also believe that mala was claiming PGO?
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #148) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:06 pm

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In post 1422, Mina wrote:Um...
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That is all I was doing. Cool.
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #149) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:31 pm

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In post 1448, bazinga wrote:how does that semi-counterclaim Bro's role?
How does it not?

It makes sense when both are only 1-shot.
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #150) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:36 pm

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In post 1451, Mina wrote:Does it end the day?
What?
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #151) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:37 pm

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@people who can read mollie: Are you sure shes actually town?
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #152) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:46 pm

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In post 1463, bazinga wrote:^Yep, Mina's right. This doesn't make sense.

Also, I don't understand how Chamber can think that CCing it yesterday makes sense given that Mala was operating under the assumption that Bro was claiming a Vig (not JOAT). Please explain
You aren't thinking right. Its not a matter of whether it actually ccs a vig, its a matter of whether it feels like it does and is thus a plausible counterclaim when you are panicking and not thinking clearly at deadline. I would say it is. Especially if you are already thinking of it like a dayvig in terms of use.

It counterclaims a vig harder than it counterclaims a JOAT, I think you mixed up what I meant earlier.
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #153) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:10 pm

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In post 1475, Mina wrote:whether it's a counterclaim that ever should have happened.
Why is this important at all?
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #154) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:21 pm

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Go sleep.
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Post Post #1484 (isolation #155) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:22 pm

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Unlike her I don't need to be up in 2h?
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #156) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:39 pm

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In post 1485, bazinga wrote:Oh. I see.

I'm getting up for the USA vs. CAN hockey game, but that's in almost 7 hours. Aww man that loss yesterday for the USA was gut-wrenching. 2 goal lead squandered in the last 3 mins, and with an open goal they hit the post lol
We will just beat you, no need to watch.
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #157) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:03 am

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I don't think its ghat anymore.
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Post Post #1507 (isolation #158) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:39 am

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In post 1499, Malakittens wrote:If I asked why chamber would you answer it? Super pretty pls
The kill mostly. But the flow of yesterdays end of day wagons was also just... off.
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #159) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:41 am

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In post 1516, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:@ Chamber - Elaborate why you've dropped Ghat from your scum list? What does the kill have to do with their alignment?
I don't think a team with scum nacho makes that kill? I don't see whats hard to explain about that. For instance, he could have killed me, and then blamed it on CES meta.
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #160) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:42 am

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In post 1519, bazinga wrote:he is focusing on peripheral things and is being obtuse
Thats me playing mafia.
In post 1519, bazinga wrote:he just feels wrong
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Post Post #1547 (isolation #161) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:46 pm

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Vote bazinga
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #162) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:01 pm

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In post 1552, Malakittens wrote:Actually, French, Mina did comment about Elphaba's claim that it matched flavor decently well.

I can quote the exact post if need be.
Why didn't you find the argument compelling at the time?
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #163) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:10 pm

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That doesn't answer my question? Elphaba is the main character in the play too yeah? You saw Mina make the flavor defense before end of day yeah? Why wasn't that compelling for you?
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Post Post #1558 (isolation #164) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:20 pm

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In post 1557, Medea the Alien wrote:You see it as well, then.
Not going to lie, I skimmed portions of your post, do you care to be more specific about what I see if you referenced it previously?
In post 1557, Medea the Alien wrote:And here I was about to make your day with a Mina wagon. I'd ask you to explain but you probably won't really.
Her wagon might actually plausibly compete with yours, and I'd rather sit back with a useless vote and see how that all plays out first.
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #165) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:37 pm

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I'm confused. He hasn't said anything about me day2 that I can see, how is that a trajectory change?
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #166) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:42 pm

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Its curious to me that you wouldn't consider the possibility of a town roleblocker, given that from your POV you are a town!neighbourizer and mala is a town!gladiator iyo, roleblocker seems to go along side them in terms of roles that can be town or scum/are often seen on or make more sense on, scum.
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Post Post #1566 (isolation #167) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:45 pm

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How many town power roles do you expect to be on the towns side? A roleblocker can't effect mala and interacts quite poorly with a JOAT, and doesn't effect you at all apparently. How many people are you expecting it to work on that are left?
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Post Post #1568 (isolation #168) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:47 pm

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In post 1567, Medea the Alien wrote:That said, I'm assuming it's scum but it ~technically~ could be town? Like I don't see why one or two people having roles that are alignment neutral suddenly makes a more scumfriendly role likely to be town? It's possible as I said, but not likely.
Given the nature of the play as I understand it (the wicked witch being the main character), it seemed like it could be thematically playful to give the town a bunch of scum abilities?
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #169) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:47 pm

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'scum'
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #170) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:49 pm

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In post 1569, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 1566, chamber wrote:How many town power roles do you expect to be on the towns side? A roleblocker can't effect mala and interacts quite poorly with a JOAT, and doesn't effect you at all apparently. How many people are you expecting it to work on that are left?
I'm not sure of the count of PRs in the setup. I only know my own role, and what is flipped and claimed. I haven't played under Tammy before, so I'm not sure how power heavy she likes her games. Explain why a RB interacts poorly with a JOAT?
Most of their actions are autonomous and don't need to be claimed, making roleblocking them effectively quite hard? Roleblockers are typically in set ups to stop information roles.

I do guess we don't know his actual set of abilities (other than presumably a vig) so if he had multiple information options (tracker + cop or etc) it becomes less strange.
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #171) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:50 pm

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In post 1571, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 1568, chamber wrote:
In post 1567, Medea the Alien wrote:That said, I'm assuming it's scum but it ~technically~ could be town? Like I don't see why one or two people having roles that are alignment neutral suddenly makes a more scumfriendly role likely to be town? It's possible as I said, but not likely.
Given the nature of the play as I understand it (the wicked witch being the main character), it seemed like it could be thematically playful to give the town a bunch of scum abilities?
I read the book several years ago, but I haven't seen the play itself. Your theory is possible, I guess? Once again, has anyone here played under tammy on MS or her home site in themes?
She has very little modding experience, only and open on here, not much else where.
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Post Post #1575 (isolation #172) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:51 pm

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'scum' abilties, as in ones that could be on town but are also often seen on scum (neighbourizer, gladiator, roleblocker, tracker, etc).
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #173) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:54 pm

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I mean, thinking about it more I'm not even sure your role strictly implies a roleblocker exists. It just lets the action resolve right away regardless of whether there is one or not. Hmm.
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #174) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:56 pm

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I did read that, yes. I stand by my statement.
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #175) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:33 pm

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In post 909, chamber wrote:
In post 906, Ampersand wrote:
In post 895, BROseidon wrote:
In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?

wat.
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Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
I read this and I wonder, how did Ghatokaca choose the order of his research.
I do still want this answered Ghatokaca (unless I missed it at some point, feel free to point it out if I did).
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Post Post #1611 (isolation #176) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:12 pm

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In post 1602, bazinga wrote:I am especially surprised at chamber
I mean, you are wrong. Scum do sometimes defend each other. But in this instance if anything I'm implicitly supporting your position with my actions, so I have no idea wtf you are talking about? If I thought you were scumbuddies with nacho because you lynched bro over him yesterday at deadline, don't you think I'd just be lynching nacho?!?
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #177) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:55 pm

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In post 1615, bazinga wrote:you are cherry picking
I think that this is likely a difference in the way we approach the game (mine is right for what its worth). I don't see any value in looking for town reads because everyone in the game has the motivation to look town. This means that most content isn't noteworthy because scum are typically not going to consistently fuck up. Its about finding the moments when they have.
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #178) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:48 pm

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If CES is scum here, hes been playing an intentionally weird game. Possibly because I called him out as scum after 3 posts.
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Post Post #1629 (isolation #179) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:50 am

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@CES:
What do you think of toast?
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #180) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:27 pm

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In post 1656, Ampersand wrote:e's pretty much a walking surface level analyzer. I hope that makes him scum but I'm not convinced and it also doesn't really seem like a priority.
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #181) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:30 pm

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Did you and fenchurch talk before making that post? How much influence did she have over it?
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Post Post #1671 (isolation #182) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:49 pm

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It will likely drive you less crazy when I'm actually bothering to explain myself, which I do in hydras.

Which is why I develop questions based on the fuckups. Its not like I condemn all of them ultimately, I drop more than I keep pursuing.

The kill isn't impossible but its incredibly lazy. Ghatoka themselves have been pretty distracted, so them making a surface level kill is believable, but they have 2 buddies too presumably. Ghatoka flipping scum would probably make me go back and look harder at (mala/hanzo/toasty). Maybe Ampersand too because of the VLA, if it was a last minute choice mostly by the third member.
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #183) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:50 pm

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In post 1669, notscience wrote:Mina talk to me about why you think Hanzo's scum
You read her list backwards.
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #184) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:56 pm

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In post 1663, Mina wrote:(chamber, can you corroborate this?)
I can not.
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Post Post #1684 (isolation #185) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:37 pm

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In post 1676, bazinga wrote:why not?
I wasn't paying attention to my skype contact list during that time window? I was almost entirely focused on the game. I did exchange a few words with mala, but from the recent tab, not the contacts tab.
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Post Post #1693 (isolation #186) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:35 pm

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There was a mollie post I was going to reply to when the site died, I'll attempt to still do my best based off memory:


I don't think you are stupid. I do think I'm smarter than you (if I'm honest with myself I likely don't have enough evidence to definitively make that claim), and that may seep into my posts at times. I also think I'm better at mafia than you, and your seeming arrogance about your mafia ability likely makes me confrontational because I don't back down. But mostly I just think you are playing in like 20 games while I'm playing in only this 1, and because of that I think you are reading this game at an extremely surface level compared to me. This is evidenced by the fact that I think me CES and mina are the only ones playing this game at a reasonable depth, and we are also the ones you singled out.

I haven't given a clear scum or town on CES, like I haven't given a clear scum or town on anyone, because my reads are more nuanced than that. If you want the overall way I'm leaning on him, its scum, I've made that pretty clear at every point that I've been asked about it. But there is more depth to it than that. Hes made a bunch of odd mechanical choices for scum!CES; He didn't NK me, this would be the first time since goofbash where he hasn't as scum, he doggedly stayed on a town wagon, I expect CES to be more fluid with his vote as either alignment, if he was being dogged as mafia though I'd almost surely expect them to flip scum, not town. I called him out as scum very early though, so these could be measures taken with that in mind. Not making actions to save himself in a game where he feels hes already damned.


I remember there being a third point, but not what it was atm.
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Post Post #1697 (isolation #187) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:33 pm

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like 28h not 48,
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Post Post #1699 (isolation #188) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:01 pm

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The posts are very likely coming back, as Cabd said and as the announcement about all of this explains.
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #189) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:11 am

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In post 1701, bazinga wrote:then why are you not pushing on them?
Because I'll be more sure of them tomorrow than I am today.
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Post Post #1704 (isolation #190) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:19 am

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In post 1701, bazinga wrote:I really don't understand the belief that you and the people you consider to be playing the game have a more in depth grasp of what is going on since I am not sure of your criteria? on a surface level it seems to be based on people you like.
You have the causation wrong. I like them, in part, because they play the game at a reasonable depth. There are others in this game that I like (mala, nacho, UT) that I wouldn't claim are currently playing at a good depth.
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #191) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:20 am

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In post 1708, bazinga wrote:then I guess your plan is to sit around and twiddle your thumbs until dl and let some1 else push a lynch through that way you can tell them how much smarter and better at mafia you are? o-kay!
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #192) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:26 am

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In post 1710, bazinga wrote:methinks it's about time chamber gets down off his high horse
It's too high, I'd kill myself if I tried to get off now, can only go up!
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #193) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:26 pm

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In post 1716, ToastyToast wrote:why is this bazina/chambers exchange about who's smarter at all relevant?
In deleted posts there was an exchange that went something like:

them: imply I'm scum because I lack town motivation
me: say they aren't that dumb
them: say they thought I thought they were that dumb (implying disingenuity on my part)
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #194) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:32 pm

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In post 1719, notscience wrote:Chamber, why didn't you want to be in my townbloc?
I think 'town'blocs promote lazy poe.
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #195) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:45 pm

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"I've sorted this group over here as town so now I'm just going to mindlessly lynch from the remaining pool cause we have enough mislynches!"

In my world view town reads are an absence of scum acts. Something I've said previously. This means that town reads should always be in question. It shouldn't be that difficult for a town read to become a scum one if they fuck up, but townblocs promote the idea that you should stop thinking about the members alignment all together.
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #196) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:46 pm

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Does the shift from defense to offense between and bother anyone else?
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Post Post #1728 (isolation #197) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:48 am

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In post 1727, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1726, Kit wrote:Oy vey.

Mollie can you humor me and check what I asked?
Every day, every day. One of these days ill do it right.
1 way or another 1 of us is leaving the game, she doesn't need to waste effort like that.
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Post Post #1739 (isolation #198) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:50 am

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You should vote for her with me.
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #199) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:59 am

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In post 1741, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote: Bazinga frustrates me with how all over the place the slot is, but last I checked we agreed on some key reads (Ghat, Medea), and knowing Mollie if they were scum I expect them to put more effort into discrediting other player's and their reads. Their tendency to discredit other philosophies (re: Chamber on
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scumblocs) gives me pause, but that effort this game has been consistent and is more likely to be indicative of personal preference rather than alignment at this point. Town or scum, your philosophies will guide how you act.
What would it take to make you seriously consider her today?

How about me confirming that Medea almost surely did neighbourize Ghat (making the Ghat/Medea pair highly unlikely)?
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