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Post Post #398 (isolation #0) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:24 pm

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In post 394, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Re: Hanzo #346 - It didn't seem like an RVS vote to me, but alright.
In post 352, bazinga wrote:SNIP

I'm not doing the scumhunting oriented posts, but my posts are easy to tell apart from Mollie's save the early impersonating posts in RVS.
SNIP
Bert isn't scumhunting. I want to save this for posterity. I don't think either head of this hydra is actually scumhunting in the first place so...
In post 371, Ghatokaca wrote:SNIP
In post 63, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:
Man do I dislike votes without reasons.
Talk to me. Is this your serious vote or your 'RVS'?
This doesn't seem like something that's characteristic coming from either of you.
SNIP
...wait...you're...you're actually serious about this? Then you have the AUDACITY to link to our last game together (where I was town and you weren't) where I come right into the game and among other things read ETL as scum for CHANGING VOTES WITHOUT REASONS. I can't speak for UT but you're funny trying to misrepresent my meta so hard. I'd be hard pressed to find any game where I am okay with people voting without reasons. Like you did in this post I quoted.

I think it's more likely he sees a couple of votes on my wagon and decides to slide in and sneak his vote on the wagon. It's funny you should link Micro 252, and I'm sure Bro and the other 'metausers' will like it as I was town and Nacho was scum. I can buy Ghackota as scum based on the misrep alone.

@Bro, I don't have another hydra game in which I was town (and said game was 3 years ago). Nacho linked you a game in which I was town and played poorly, but if you're looking for "meta" sure, use it I guess. The essence of things I look for in scum are there. I don't put much stock into meta, it's not all that reliable, and its too easy for scum to do to pretend to scumhunt.

Too much meta talk, anyone want to talk to me about reads in THIS game?
In post 395, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:But Bro Here. I played a better game then in Micro 252, if it'll help you see the painfully obvious.
what I love about this is that ossy people are saying WHOA HO META IS BAD!!! ARRRRGHH!!!

and yet gives a self meta argument in the very next post

bless their little heart
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Post Post #781 (isolation #1) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:50 pm

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f16 why did you not look at sabotage the game I linked for bro's scum meta?
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Post Post #805 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:31 pm

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In post 800, Mina wrote:
In post 789, Mina wrote:bazinga, did you read F-16's entire post when you voted for them, or just the paragraph about BROseidon?
I'm serious. I want an answer to this.
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Post Post #863 (isolation #3) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:52 pm

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In post 861, chamber wrote:@Anyone with a read on notscience: what?
TOWN
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #4) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:21 am

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not if your reads are contingent on all things being equal!

I find it the weirdest thing ever that people are not looking at bro's scumgames!

mebbe he is scum
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #5) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:37 pm

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In post 1610, Medea the Alien wrote:So mollie, what I don't understand about your stance is that you say BRO was baiting us, yet you don't think he was playing to his scum game?
cos he wasn't. like it wasn't even close. I tried to discuss this with you and you wouldn't.
How was he baiting us then? And you had one scum game you didn't think was consistent with his play here; I had other games that I thought were.
no I had 2 scum games with him, thought he was scum both times. I have 3 or 4 town games with him. are you saying you have more than that?
As I said, I'm not a meta-diver myself (my use of meta comes more from actual play experience, as I don't get as engaged when reading games versus playing in them) but I did have a go at looking over Sabotage as you saw in . You commented on having vaguely followed NY 165 for having enjoyed finding the SK, but you didn't comment on my take on Sabotage, nor did you comment on what BRO actually did in NY 165.
this is what you said:
In post 1117, Medea the Alien wrote:
A quick read through BRO's ISO in Sabotage shows that when he was under pressure D2, his reads and interactions were also superficial without much attempt to analyze deeply or work with people. His outrage was also nearly completely missing.


Regardless, Osseus is an acceptable compromise vote and is being annoying. Which at deadline is quite sufficient to garner my vote.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Osseus

--PA
I didn't comment on it cos you kind of stated why he might be town in this game I mean those were the reasons I was kind of thinking he might be town, for the exact reasons you stated.
Why should I be less confident in my scum reads? They aren't/weren't dependent on BRO flipping scum, and I had all of the night phase to discuss the game with Cabd in hydra and F-16 and Cabd in the neighborhood. My list is somewhat reordered as per our vote and the scum reads I'm emphasizing here. I was getting bad vibes from Mina near the end of the day, but frankly I didn't care to derail things when the BRO lynch was so touch-and-go. Mina was one of the things we discussed in our neighborhood (I think Cabd posted a summary of the neighborhood already, but basically it went, 'revel in the cosmic joke being played on PA, affirm our town-Mala reads (ooh, buddy alert!)...hm, rereading, F-16 makes a good point about Hanzo. I'll let him share when he gets in here next. Anyways, F-16 broke things down into town and scum piles, we discussed Mina a bit, and then F-16 disappeared, presumably for the cited RL reasons.)

UNVOTE:

You say F-16's showing up upon his name being invoked is one of the big reasons for your scum read on Ghatokaca. Is the rest of your case just ? Because it really doesn't hold up, to put it bluntly. You don't agree with their reads on unflipped players, the NK could come from them, and then your post goes off on being upset that no one ever engaged your BRO meta despite the above. Basically the second half of your case paragraph isn't actually a case on Ghatokaca; it's your regrets at not lynching Ghatokaca yesterday.
the beetlejuice is a pretty hardcore scumtell. <---- do you disagree?

and I don't make cases I give partial reasons as to why I think some1 is scum. you know this so why the fuck are you acting like you don't.
So let's pretend that you're town reading me and want to convince me to put Ghatokaca at L-1 (which, they claimed yesterday, I'm not sure why putting them in hammer is beneficial). What do you have?

--PA
srs question: since when do you care what I think? I told you nacho was scum in xmen and you refused to entertain it. this is the first time you have
ever
tried working with me but it feels more like you are trying to work me over. town you is generally more paranoid, cautious, aloof and less certain. I am seeing none of town you here I feel like what I am seeing is maniacal game you.
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Post Post #1995 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:13 pm

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In post 1994, ToastyToast wrote:
In post 1990, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1988, ToastyToast wrote:Except I'm not trying to lynch you? I was asked why my read changed when you entered the game, and that's why.
And the reasoning for your read change was lolzy at best. (it's pretty bad)
My reasoning for the read change is essentially you come in here, say you aren't going to read, then suddenly developed reads that take no initiative on your part. And you try to town-read yourself based on bullshit. Replacing out is NOT alignment indicative.
You are in chamber's slot. You are not allowed to meta-read your own slot.
It is no different than if I were to say "Hey guys I'm town." Everyone in the game has an interest to be seen as town.

Does anyone ELSE think chamber replacing out reveals his alignment?
I thought we all did are you telling me it isn't so????
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Post Post #2234 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:22 am

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In post 2233, Mina wrote:
In post 1745, chamber wrote:How about me confirming that Medea almost surely did neighbourize Ghat (making the Ghat/Medea pair highly unlikely)?
This is pretty unambiguous. Obviously, he rolecopped Medea. But anyway, this is irrelevant, unless anyone is arguing Medea ISN'T a neighbourizer.
eh, I really did think that earlier but after isoing chamber the amper people post threw me. it made me think he had not used it yet
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Post Post #2415 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:56 pm

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this is like the scummiest post in the entire game other than another post you made that I can't remember.
In post 2396, Ghatokaca wrote:Penguin, I think you are wrong about at least two of your POE scumlist. We're town and I have a pretty strong townread on Ampersand. You were reading both slots as town. What changed?
Also, Ossy-us interactions make us pretty town as do Ossy-Amper interactions
. Hanzo is the only one that I agree has a good chance of being scum.
erm no. in fact it makes you look downright confscum cos it was pretty obvious that ossy things were *trying too hard*. it looks like xbussing there and mebbe tbone has suddenly become this boss at leaving a false trail I am thinking no.
I am not convinced NotScience's reaction to Toasty makes him town. He reacted in a pro-town way which he pretty much
has
to do as scum and I find it null overall.
only scum would keep pushing notty as scum at this point town nacho would know that notty was town.
I have trouble seeing a scumteam without Hanzo's slot in it. I think there is a good chance the other scum is Malakittens. Maybe Mina but I really hoping she's town after all that happened during the course of this game. NotScience is the other player in my POE pool. I think it is definitely more likely he is scum than Ampersand.

~ F-16
so your scum picks are hanzo, notty, mala and mina LOL

omg how can you people be missing this
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Post Post #2523 (isolation #9) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:33 pm

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In post 2522, notscience wrote:Glad to see you haven't read the game.

I've solved most of the game and limited the scumteam down to that pool, nice OMGUS though.
hanzo/aronis was not in that pool
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Post Post #2651 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:14 am

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In post 2648, Ampersand wrote: mollie - was this your unanswered question? I didn't really know what to do with it; I've been giving my thoughts on Medea, Ghato and Mina as I've been having them. You have a point about Ghato's somewhat lacking contributions today, but, I did find their posts in the neighbourhood really convincingly town (and at least one other person will see that tonight, as there's now no chance of Medea being lynched). I still find Mina really town because her thoughts so frequently match my own. I still think Medea has a good chance of being scum, for their reads, their lack of pushing lynches, and all the reasons we've given previously. penguin's activity levels is the only thing I see as a point in their favour. I'm postponing my read on notsci and I will (and have been) considering his contributions based on their own merits. I presume you are doing the same, considering you haven't given in to his insistence that you vote Aronis over Mala. Overall I'm kinda back to "everyone seems a bit town and a bit scum" right now.
what thoughts of mina's match your own?

I think medeas roleblock mention falls in line with towncabd with what bros said. I think they said it even before bros outting I just didn't think to follow through with that thought.

I still do not get your notty read and it makes me sad. :(
On the topic of unanswered questions, I asked why you think we're scum, besides gut, and I don't think you've ever answered that. And I'm pretty sure Mina's question to Medea asking if they would still lynch us was intended to be a 'test', hence why she acknowledged that it was kinda pointless.

- Fenchurch
it has to do with your reads, most of them seem to be reaching while ignoring the external elements around them and only focusing on extraneous results from the conclusions you drew from the angles you were trying to push.

it looks like scum steering.

tell me I am wrong.
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Post Post #2678 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:56 pm

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In post 2670, Ghatokaca wrote:I prefer an Aronis lynch to Mala and it looks like that's going to happen anyways. The calls for us to step it up are fair and I agree that we kind of faded into the background which makes me kinda sad because I felt like we finally made some progress after UT lynch. Just wait till next week and I'll analyze the hell out of this game and we can win this. I think we have enough information and interactions to nail this down. Seeing Aronis's flip will help with that as well.

I have intent to hammer Aronis.

~ F-16
are you intending to go after mala when the day is done?

it is pretty funny that you had heavy suspicion on mala but support her in this lynch!

like where is the progression
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Post Post #3377 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:53 pm

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In post 3346, Faraday wrote:Huh. Well. Never expected the JOAT to get lynched when reviewing this setup <_<

Scum probably deserved this, I think. The end of Day 1 was the crucial point, or at least crucial to scum not losing it.
mebbe you should have included that the joat wouldn't lie about their role

but I totally get why bro did what he did.

can some1 now explain to me how me agreeing with chamber that he is smarter than me and a better mafia player somehow is the same as a personal attack COS I AM STILL INTERESTED
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