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Post Post #64 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:38 am

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by Mala and the tailend of about "why hydra x" is bad and should feel bad.
In post 29, Medea the Alien wrote:/confirm exactly 1,531 mason points with Bro
Obligatory fakeclaiming masons with Cabd. Too bad kuribo/DGB aren't in the game.

Rest of Mina interactions read okay.

Chamber's probably town.

VOTE: EVIL KITTIES
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Post Post #129 (isolation #1) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:17 pm

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In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
Because it indicates you looking to be spoon fed an answer instead of trying to think about the motivation behind Hanzo's vote as either alignment.

It should have been obvious why Hanzo's vote went to Bazinga over the other hydras.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #2) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:21 pm

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In post 130, chamber wrote:
In post 129, BROseidon wrote:
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
Because it indicates you looking to be spoon fed an answer instead of trying to think about the motivation behind Hanzo's vote as either alignment.

It should have been obvious why Hanzo's vote went to Bazinga over the other hydras.
I mean, yeah it was, but Mina's question was the more offensive in that regard? I even already pointed this out.
I also mentioned that Mina's other posting felt okay, whereas Mala didn't have other posting to compare it to...
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Post Post #135 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:26 pm

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And there are good reasons to vote for people by the top of page two?
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Post Post #136 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:27 pm

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In post 25, Hanzo_5 wrote:UNVOTE: Notscience

VOTE: Bazinga

I dont like hydras,
my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
POST 25 MALA.

HE EVEN ADMITS THAT HE'S GOING TO MOVE IT ONCE SOMETHING BETTER COMES ALONG.

WHY ARE YOU SO GODDAMN TOUCHY ABOUT AN RVS VOTE.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:41 pm

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The person who's in the vocative in 136.

And mollie, I think the only time you've ever town read me from the start of a game was when I was in hydra.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:46 pm

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In post 142, Malakittens wrote:I don't care if he was going to move it once something better comes along.

IT WAS A LAZY VOTE.

Why are you so content on defending him?....
Because your response to him+your insistence that your attack wasn't shit is shit.

Also the fact that you've spun this into me defending him when I've made no mention of his alignment.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:01 pm

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I object to that classification of me.

Says the guy who blacked out last Friday...

hmm...

pedit: What's wrong about the fact that Mala asked a bad question asking for what should have been an otherwise obvious qualification on an RVS vote, and then her backing it up and misrepping my position relative to that?
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Post Post #156 (isolation #8) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:01 pm

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:facepalm:
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Post Post #203 (isolation #9) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:52 pm

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In post 171, bazinga wrote:What motivated you to say this and use this as a defense?
I'm saying that any authority you have in catching me as scum is undermined by the fact that you
always
read me as scum. You'll catch someone as scum 100% of the time if you just always scumread them.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #10) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:53 pm

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In post 153, bazinga wrote:I glared stared at bro's scum game in the first xeno game. the only way to catch him is to view his angles and his angle on mala is very wrong and not in a derpy way it seems premeditated somehow
Aka it's in response to this.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #11) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:55 pm

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In post 180, Zdenek wrote:
In post 14, bazinga wrote:mebbe we should have every1 draw out the day even with this confscum mina
In post 17, bazinga wrote:chamber mebbe you shouldnt jump out and scumclaim and make it so easy
In post 29, Medea the Alien wrote:P-edit: Also mollie seems pretty town on page one/two, cool.
In post 164, Medea the Alien wrote:Mollie OTOH is crafty enough as scum that she'd be sending out "mebbe X drew scum" reads on players, and using her "perfect meta" to drive lynches that way. She's not. She's town.
Well, I think my work here is done.
Oh. Lol.

Zdenek wins thread gg.
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Post Post #207 (isolation #12) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:57 pm

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In post 189, Malakittens wrote:My gut is saying that one of {Hanzo or BRO} are scum. Could be either or could be both. I just find the vote on me by BRO odd and as for Hanzo the whole attitude towards the hydra. I just feel like something is off in regards to what is currently happening.
Asking for trajectory on something that had obvious trajectory as far as RVS trajectory goes + calling an RVS vote scummy for contrived reasons doesn't seem scummy to you?
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Post Post #209 (isolation #13) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:59 pm

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HOLY SHIT MINA LET ME FINISH SPAM POSTING CATCHING UP THEN I'LL POST THE UPDATED CASE.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:00 pm

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In post 195, Mina wrote:I may change my vote soon because Medea is mostly in scum due to competence reasons, but basically every single wagon except for Medea and BRO_seidon is actively bad.
Back to where we were...

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Post Post #214 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:13 pm

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Updated Mala case go:
In post 26, Malakittens wrote:
In post 25, Hanzo_5 wrote:UNVOTE: Notscience

VOTE: Bazinga

I dont like hydras, my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
This is really, really stupid.

You do realize there's more than one hydra playing, right?
Original point I brought up.
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:1. I disagree on Medea because I can
sometimes
read PA half better than I could
ever
Why the semantic contradiction here?
read the cabd half of the hydra. Cabd being trolly in his OP isn't something I see as alignment indicative. (
However my past experience in trying to read PA went sour because I recently mislynched her Day 1 in a completed game because I thought her lurking when she was posting elsewhere was alignment indicative of her being scum and only appearing after I called her out on it.
Why the additional qualification on the "sometimes" aspect of being able to read penguin. I probably have more games with penguin than anyone else in this game, and I'll just say outright that I can't read her that well. No need for the waffling
) So basically Medea is null to me rather than how you have them leaning scum.
WHY DID WE NEED THIS WHOLE FUCKING PARAGRAPH. ALSO, WHY THE EXPECTATION OF A DEVELOPED READ ON A PLAYER BY POST 82 OF THE THREAD?
Way too long-winded. Way too hedged. Other comments in my mod-color.

Next paragraph is similarly hedged and terrible.
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
Failure to understand that I wasn't calling her out on her position, but rather on how she engaged Hanzo's point (i.e., asking "WHY BAZINGA" instead of coming to the obvious conclusion that it had to do with page 1 activity). Consider this roughly in line with how I first caught mastin out in Anything Goes (his failure to understand my town read on Ghostlin while having to engage with it b/c I can perfectly read Ghostlin).
In post 134, Malakittens wrote:Maybe I do want to be spoon fed an answer! I really do not get why you are defending him so hard over one post while attacking me / voting me in only a grand total of two of your posts.
Misrep of my position in the game (stating I have a Hanzo-town position when I've stated no position on Hanzo).
In post 134, Malakittens wrote:I really don't give a crap that he voted for a hydra. it's the reason why he voted for the hydra. It was lazy as fuck. I know Hanzo was talking to the hydra, but Bazinga wasn't the only hydra in Page 1 to post. Singling Bazinga out while to me was being obv town was a REALLY bad vote.

I have seen scum hide behind the vote of "Oh I hate hydras. They ruin games because of hydra diss or they ruin games because they aren't normal or they ruin games because they don't sign their posts." Hating hydras isn't a good reason to vote a player, plain and simple.
Justifying an overreaction to an RVS vote.
In post 142, Malakittens wrote:I don't care if he was going to move it once something better comes along.

IT WAS A LAZY VOTE.

Why are you so content on defending him?....
Continued failure to understand that RVS is a thing + continued misrep of my position.

Pedit: No, god dammit I fucking hate walling unless it's for full cases. It puts a lot of unrelated points into a single post that makes shit harder to read (post breaks serve as natural paragraph breaks to separate ideas), AND IT FUCKING MAKES IT HARDER TO QUOTE SHIT. WALLING FOR REASONS THAT AREN'T CASES OR READS LISTS IS EXPLICITLY ANTI-TOWN BEHAVIOR.
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Post Post #216 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:23 pm

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This is the first time I've used purple in-quote commentary. I don't like how it turned out. Gonna go back to footnoting.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:11 pm

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Looks like I'm gonna have to start calling everyone shit at this game soon...
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Post Post #219 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:15 pm

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In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:Also, as far as Mala jumping on Hanzo for hating on the hydras goes, if we needed any further proof that this is town-Mala, scum-Mala wouldn't be trying to derail anything that
might
eliminate hydras with players she would fear could read her, namely mollie among others.
Oh yes, that strong RVS push was going to put bazinga under real pressure...
In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:Please tell me you're joking BRO; you're better than that. Do you seriously believe that 'mollie' playing into Mina's self-investigation jest in the first 10 game posts is the same thing as her trying to soft-push people?
I give you...
In post 18, Unmasked Kit wrote:By my count, that's the majority of the playerlist, so I hope that this counts:

VOTE: Angry Frat BROS.
Because they're probably scum, and even if they're not, I'm going to end up thinking they are, anyway. :P
^AP caught mastin out on that post. Fastest non-luck based read I've ever seen.
In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:Your Mala case is lousy. Town-Mala was going to bat for someone she knows well in terms of jumping on Hanzo's bazinga vote; as I said above, scum-Mala would have let it slide.
Implicit in this is that Hanzo was somehow generating real pressure.
In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:And there's a difference between noting your defense of Hanzo and saying that you're town-reading him. Although, FTR, what is your current read on him?
Except I'm not defending him; I'm using the shit attack against him to launch my own attack. My read on him is null because he's done jack shit worth noting.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:15 pm

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HEY MINA I MADE A WALL YOU HAPPY NOW
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Post Post #249 (isolation #20) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:14 pm

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In post 248, Malakittens wrote:
Why the semantic contradiction? Because I'm not an arrogant person who believes they can confidently say they can read one person. I believe I'm just starting to figure out how to read Penguin. Cabd I have played multiple games with and still to this day can't read him for shit. So, I'm an indecisive little fuck when it comes to this hydra. I believe I'm starting to get the hang of reading her so therefore "sometimes" is accurate because I can pinpoint scum-Peng right, but after a while I drop the read. I wanted to make a paragraph so fuck it I'll make a paragraph.
That... literally doesn't address my point. My point was that your use of sometimes+ever was semantically off in a way that doesn't make sense. You can sometimes read someone better than you can always read someone else? That doesn't mean anything. A town phrasing would have been "I can read penguin better than cabd, but I'm not very confident in my ability in my ability to read penguin" (or something along those lines). Also, that last sentence is scummy.


Ps, don't compare me to Mastin. I'll never be like Mastin not at all. Two people are completely different just because you called out someone for something in another game doesn't mean you will be right in this one.
Just because you aren't mastin doesn't mean that I can't apply the same scum hunting principles to you. You're smart enough to draw the distinction between a meta argument versus a more universal argument, and trying to paint the latter as the former doesn't make you look good


I still don't get why you are bugging out so hardcore. So yes your interactions with me currently makes me think you are flat out scum, but I can't tell if you are attacking me because you are scum buddies with Hanzo or because you are trying to get some type of cred if Hanzo were to get lynched and flip town, a "I told you so; so to speak of."
...I'm the one who overreacted? You turbo-flipped at my vote on you and OMGUS'd the fuck out of it


Not an overreaction, but okaaay.


Just so you know:
In post 218, BROseidon wrote:Looks like I'm gonna have to start calling everyone shit at this game soon...
This by you is full of emotional manipulation. Someone doesn't agree with you so you outright say "oh looks like I'm going to call everyone shit at this game soon."
...Did you forget that I'm an asshole or something?
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Post Post #250 (isolation #21) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:16 pm

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In post 224, Mina wrote:The Mala post read more like a frame case, in particular the "justifying an overreaction to an RVS vote" line.

By the way, you seem disproportionately angry. Any reason for that?
...

Have a nice day

I get angry when I see stupidity.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #22) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:20 pm

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In post 242, bazinga wrote:I also read him correctly as both alignments in some other games to so he is outright misrepping me I am going to have to think about that.
Only other game we've had together was AG, where I was with AP?

And you legit scumread me for a good part of Xeno2.
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Post Post #252 (isolation #23) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:20 pm

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In post 245, Zdenek wrote:But no vote ?
Mala vote still tastier.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #24) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:23 pm

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Chamber/Zdenek both shining paragons of towniness, btw.

bazinga is also probably town.

Mala+Medea+Mina or another hydra looks most likely to me for scum.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #25) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:30 am

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In post 254, bazinga wrote:
In post 251, BROseidon wrote:
In post 242, bazinga wrote:I also read him correctly as both alignments in some other games to so he is outright misrepping me I am going to have to think about that.
Only other game we've had together was AG, where I was with AP?

And you legit scumread me for a good part of Xeno2.
in xeno2 I only read you as scum for the first part of the day, openly stated I was sheeping fery's read. I read you correctly (finally) in sabotage did you forget that game already
Like I said, if you just default to scum reading me, you'll always read me as scum in games where I'm scum.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #26) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:32 am

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In post 259, Medea the Alien wrote:BRO, do you think Mala and mastin's scum games have much in common? Because I don't get your comparison to mastin2 in AG.
God dammit.

This isn't a meta point.

This is a point about psychology and how scum have to fake town-like trajectories, and often gaps in those trajectories (i.e., reads for wrong reasons) indicate scum.

This is a thing that applies across all players.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #27) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:36 am

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In post 281, Medea the Alien wrote: Not a fan of Bro by any means, but we can't put our finger on why. Just something about the way he handwaved the z-fox thing's case on us away while still leaving the door open to jump on later.
Except the part where I said that I liked the case? And then on Zdenek's followup said the reason I wasn't voting for you is b/c the Mala wagon is tastier?
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Post Post #373 (isolation #28) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:14 am

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T-Bone, can you link me a few of your most recent town games?
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Post Post #375 (isolation #29) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:06 am

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In post 373, BROseidon wrote:T-Bone, can you link me a few of your most recent town games?
If I could get these in hydra form that'd be great.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:54 am

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In post 383, Malakittens wrote:Which tend in that logic makes me think possible town, but as I said I can't ignore the interactions between you and BRO.
What interactions? Me calling you out for blowing shit out of proportion and then US having a tiff?
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Post Post #390 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:56 am

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In post 386, Ghatokaca wrote:This is really all you need.
Why this choice of phrasing?
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Post Post #404 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:06 pm

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In post 391, Ghatokaca wrote:I'm pretty confident that you don't really need to splice his hydra interactions too much after being slapped in the face with the difference between T-Bone here and T-Bone there.
This is a Nacho post? If it is, you should know what I'm looking for and why I'd prefer a hydra game/more data.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:08 pm

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In post 394, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:@Bro, I don't have another hydra game in which I was town (and said game was 3 years ago). Nacho linked you a game in which I was town and played poorly, but if you're looking for "meta" sure, use it I guess. The essence of things I look for in scum are there. I don't put much stock into meta, it's not all that reliable, and its too easy for scum to do to pretend to scumhunt.
I'm not looking for meta; there's something else I want to look at.
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Post Post #406 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:09 pm

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In post 395, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:But Bro Here. I played a better game then in Micro 252, if it'll help you see the painfully obvious.
For some reason I thought you were scum that game...

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Post Post #472 (isolation #35) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:34 am

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In post 414, Ghatokaca wrote:In general, it is easy to do what is expected from a meta-level as scum. I for instance tend to do what is expected of me when I am scum. For example, I played a game with Nacho where we were both town. I scumread him hard and voted him in LYLO losing the game. I later replaced into a game in LYLO where I was scum and Nacho was town. I hesitated to scumread him and spent a ton of time trying to see his side for fear of scumreading him wrongly again. The general concept I am putting forth is that players know how they are expected to act when they are scum. The natural course of action is to confirm to these expectations to not ping scum radars. There is very little reason Penguin as scum would defend town-Mala so brazenly. She is going to get raised eyebrows targeted at her, potentially derail a mislynch and be the target of immense paranoia. On the other hand, scumreading Mala or expressing uncertainty would be something that lets her fly below the radar and fulfill her scum wincon effectively. There is extremely little risk and extremely small reward. I know for instance I wouldn't even have thought twice about it if she expressed Mala paranoia or deferred the Mala read to Cabd. Her actions places unnecessary attention to herself while making a scumwin for her more difficult.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #36) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:36 am

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In post 423, Mina wrote:Right now, although I'm paranoid Medea/Ghatokaca/BRO scum can coast to endgame if they aren't taken out early
...uh...

Why did you post this?
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Post Post #479 (isolation #37) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:43 am

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diction.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #38) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:46 am

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In post 456, ToastyToast wrote:@BROseidon: Do you think malakittens is defending bazinga here? Like, is your argument that they are scum together, or do you think it is isolated to a buddying malakittens?
based on mollie's play, the latter. I think there's a good chance Mala's buddies are both hydras, though.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #39) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:28 am

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In post 490, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 482, bazinga wrote:you made a solid case on ToastyToast, so why not vote her right now?
Having said that, upon further reflection, the places where I've misread town-BRO, like Narnia Micro 199, tend to come from my incorrectly linking him with actual scum and not misreading him on his own merits so much.

--PA
I think this has only happened once?
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Post Post #597 (isolation #40) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:30 am

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In post 494, ToastyToast wrote:As in the three of them as a scumteam? Why are you making connections between players when we haven't even had a single flip? This just looks like an attempt to chain lynches together.
They make sense as a scumteam and are all individually scummy. I'm making connections because mafia's a game primarily of interactions, and catching interactions that are off is the only real way to catch scum. Also, it would be lining up lynches if I were to say "LYNCH THESE PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PREVIOUS ONE FLIPS," instead of "this is a scum team theory that I'm operating under, and is therefore subject to change should any aspect of it be proven wrong."
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Post Post #598 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:33 am

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In post 509, Zdenek wrote:
Kill: Ghatokaca
>:C
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Post Post #601 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:39 am

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In post 571, Zdenek wrote:Broseidon, what's the deal with that "or another hydra looks most likely to me for scum" post?
Given Mala's overreaction to Hanzo's RVS post, Mala-scum implies hydra buddies.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:42 am

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In post 590, Medea the Alien wrote:Hey mollie remember in Xenogears when we mislynched Bro? And how he was super duper ragerific and "hollier than thou" about it with a burning passion? Because I see none of that and instead a very hollow attempt at replicating it while trying to keep low. And penguin agrees that he does that in games while being mislynched other than Xeno, too.

(For those of you that were not privy to that game, take his ISO starting here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5381749 )

Like where's his fervor that we're misreading him? Where's the "I'm gonna take this game by the balls and do shit" mode? It's nowhere to be found. You see what I mean?
Hey Cabd.

I'm not getting lynched this game.

You can stop trying now.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:43 am

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In post 602, notscience wrote:WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT

He says that he thinks Hydras are mala's buddies given her reaction to RVS?

Yet, in his scumteam, he has 4 names- 2 definate, 2 that can alternate, but one of them was the initial PREMISE behind scumteam with hydrae and one was just townreading them all

Did I miss something?
Mala was the initial scumread.

Medea was also a scumread.

Mina was also a scumread (one that has weakened now, ftr), but the Mala freakout made me think that that third scum spot should be a hydra (and with Bazinga being the only shining paragon of towniness hydra, this seems fairly likely).
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Post Post #606 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:45 am

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In post 594, Zdenek wrote:Anyway, here's where I am at.

Town: Mina, Malakittens
Weaker Town: Chamber, Bazinga, notscience
Null, not willing to lynch: Toasty, Broseidon
Null, willing to lynch: Medea, Hanzo, Ampersand.
Scum: Osseus, Ghatokaca.

I kind of want to lynch Osseus because an Osseus scum flip would mean that we should insta-lynch Ampersand.
Carry me pls.

But first move Mala down like 4 tiers.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:56 am

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Odyesseus stabbed my son through the eye.

And he disrespected me.

He needed to be punished.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #47) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:37 am

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In post 614, bazinga wrote:Really? Please go on, cos I think I missed this and now I'm curious
Hanzo posts an RVS vote about hating hydras on your slot.

Mala flips out about it to an unreasonable extreme. Why would she freak out about an RVS vote that much?

Because something in it subconsciously made her nervous is the best answer I can come up with.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #48) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:38 am

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In post 615, Ampersand wrote:What is "contentless scummy posting"?
lol?

My posting is a shining paragon of towniness.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #49) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:49 am

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Oh god walls
In post 620, Mina wrote:This was when I was much more confident about the game state than I am now. I was thinking that if any of you three were scum, it'd be better to lynch you early. Osseus would probably be lynched down the line, but you three could easily kill the people who suspect you and wriggle out of it. Now I'm not all that sure there's more than one scum in that group of three, though.
Why do you devalue the contributions any of us could have as town?
In post 620, Mina wrote:I'm your top townread now? How did this happen? And you're saying the only thing making you doubt your scumreads is that Malakittens needs two scum partners who are hydras?

Never mind that your scumteam revolves completely around Malakittens' page two question, which is as null as can be. I mean, bazinga (who is a "shining paragon of towniness") gets voted for being a hydra, Mala calls the vote stupid...all because Hanzo didn't vote one of the hydras on her team?
1) Oh, I don't care if Zdenek is hard town reading you if you're not on my "lynch now" list. If push comes to shove and I have to argue with him about it later, I will, but I'm going to try to align our immediate interests first.

2) That's not the only thing. There's a lot of your posting improving over the course of the game, whereas Mala's hasn't.

3) Can you come up with a better reason for Mala's freakout, then? Like, bazinga is very town, but Mala's response is still out of place. Hence my line of reasoning. Every other hydra not being in my townreads further supports this (and other people generally being on the same wavelength indicates that I'm not confbiasing).
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Post Post #623 (isolation #50) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:57 am

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Post 82 is where shit gets real.

I conflated where things happened. Mala didn't get defensive about it until I brought up that I didn't like her/mina's reactions to Hanzo.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #51) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:23 pm

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In post 633, Mina wrote:BROseidon, you're never ever ever going to sell anyone on Malakittens being scum based on that RVS question to Hanzo. And you're definitely never going to sell us on her partners being (well, the odds are it would be one in this game, but that's just a coincidence). Just accept it.
Good thing I don't have to sell you, then.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #52) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:25 pm

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In post 633, Mina wrote:Am I imagining that in this post, Mina/Medea/Malakittens were your scumreads? Since it's in present tense.
Oh, you're not in the clear.

You're a weaker read than Mala/Medea.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #53) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:26 pm

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In post 635, bazinga wrote:so yeah I lean scum on bro
Oh fuck off.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:50 am

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In post 649, Medea the Alien wrote:Add another ticky mark to the 'this is not town-BRO being wagoned column.
:facepalm:

My attitude has to do more with my mood than whether or not I'm under pressure.

You saw this first hand with 167.

I was doing okay until a bunch of shitty things happened at once (both here and IRL).

So take the dull rusty attack that you're launching on me and shove it up your fucking ass.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:51 am

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Oh wait, that was penguin.

penguin, ask Cabd about 167. That was probably one of my most frustrating games. And I was scum.
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Post Post #659 (isolation #56) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:53 am

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In post 656, Malakittens wrote:Please, please tell me you are kidding in 651 Mollie. Please. You are seriously going to town read someone for sayin 'oh fuck off' after you just called him out for not acting the same way.
I've been kind of a dick all game.

Apparently I have to turn into kuribo for people to see it, though.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #57) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:47 am

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In post 660, Zdenek wrote:This is unbelievable. To believe this you would have to think that this put Mala under pressure, and you already mocked that this vote would put Bazinga under pressure.
Can you give me a better reason for Mala's over response to my vote on her, then?
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Post Post #663 (isolation #58) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:48 am

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In post 661, Malakittens wrote:Like I said it seems you were called out and now you are bringing up the emotion. Which makes me think you're tying to fake it.
lol.

It's okay because I'll be conftown once you flip scum.

And all will be k.
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Post Post #685 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:51 pm

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How the fuck is my lynch "informative?"
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Post Post #686 (isolation #60) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:53 pm

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In post 668, bazinga wrote:bro is a smart scum player
Oh look.

Look at that thing that makes me not just frustrated, but insulted that people are scum reading me this game.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #61) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:58 pm

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In post 668, bazinga wrote:what is missing from this game in insp3ct0r bro1 and a definitive list of your reads right now. also you are not interacting with me directly.
Yeah I should probably take a step back and do this.

Mala and Medea work well as buddies. I've already talked about this.

I haven't looked at the hydras that are double players I haven't played with much. I still need to get around to doing the linguistic stuff with T-Bone. Ambersand pushing a me/Medea scumread seems weird as fuck (why the early paranoia over scum theatre over more simple early explanations? IIRC the only reasoning they give is "both look scummy lol," which is a shit-tier reason to disregard associative tells in a game that's primarily driven by associative patterns).

Hanzo I have no fucking clue about. I kind of want to put him in the space I have for players like Dramonic where I assume that they're town, and if they're not someone else will deal with it.

Chamber and Zdenek are obvtown and shouldn't be touched.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #62) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:00 pm

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In post 668, bazinga wrote:and question if you unstuck yourself from mala for a minute who would you be looking at?
Hydras minus you, Hanzo, Mina, Toasty, ns.

ns is also in that class of other players that I let other people deal with. Toasty seems fine, but I hate walls so I skim them and am probably missing details that I wouldn't miss if I were reading more carefully.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #63) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:02 pm

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In post 680, Zdenek wrote:I'm attacking Bros' argument because I think it contradicts a stance that he's taken. I also think that Mala's town, but that's really relevant here.
I think you didn't respond to my counter-question?
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Post Post #747 (isolation #64) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:20 am

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In post 691, Zdenek wrote:Actually seems like an okay response to your vote.
Problem is that doesn't seem reasonable to me.

It looks like she's taking something personally that she shouldn't be given that she's not even in a hydra this game, and it isn't like there's a site-wide anti-hydra sentiment that would make people who hydra super-defensive.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #65) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:30 am

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In post 693, Mina wrote:BROseidon, give me an actual reason to switch to Osseus. The only reasons I haven't is 1) waiting for UT to magically become town, 2) I've only skimmed the past few days' worth of post (Ghatokaca in particular I need to reread), and 3) I still feel kind of icky unvoting you.

Please walk me through your read of my slot this game. What in particular gives you a scum read on me? When did you doubt it (if at all)? Also, have any of Mala's later posts affected your read at all?
Uh, I'm not sure on the quality of the Osseus wagon? I still haven't gotten around to reading T-Bone's stuff, so the only argument I can give is that I'm the shining paragon of towniness this game (and that everyone's terrible for being unable to see that).

I didn't like your response to Hanzo's early post, but I found Mala's worse. I'm generally unsure about you; your defense of Mala and push on me was bad, but other than that there isn't anything that pinged too badly (hence why I'm going to vig Mala or Medea if Tammy gives me that vig shot I asked for).

Mala's most recent posts are... fine, probably. I want to do a hard reset+reread to see if my Mala read holds up to second scrutiny b/c she's AtEing a bit, but not completely shutting down the way I was hoping she would.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #66) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:34 am

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In post 727, Ampersand wrote:I thought mollie-bazinga seemed pretty town-ish from her post about BRO (#667), because, effort. Although I tend to disagree with her overall conclusion -
I think the quality of BRO's reads and play
is probably more pertinent to his alignment than his showing emotion (or lack of).
in b4 all my scum reads flip scum and you have to come up with some shitty way to justify pushing a positional case on someone before verifying their positions.
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Post Post #752 (isolation #67) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:35 am

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In post 730, bazinga wrote:
In post 726, Mina wrote:Like, I vaguely remember really minor things about Mala that pinged me, but I'd be completely talking out of my ass to mention them. If I don't end up locking this townread in, I'll get back to you, notscience.
I think mala is town.

I kinda think bro is projecting.
Give me mollie back.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #68) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:35 am

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In post 730, bazinga wrote:
In post 726, Mina wrote:Like, I vaguely remember really minor things about Mala that pinged me, but I'd be completely talking out of my ass to mention them. If I don't end up locking this townread in, I'll get back to you, notscience.
I think mala is town.

I kinda think bro is projecting.
Give me mollie back.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #69) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:37 am

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In post 741, notscience wrote:Anyone here played with Burnt Toast before
Once, a while ago. I don't remember anything specific about his play.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #70) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:40 am

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In post 748, Malakittens wrote:See difference of opinion doesn't equal scummy though.

I hydra in 90% of my games though, lately. Actually, there is a bit of a site-wide anti-hydra sentiment. A lot of people don't like them, but to just vote because they are a hydra in the first two pages of a game is ridiculous.
You're right, my difference of opinion with Zdenek doesn't make him scummy.

And like 1/4 of this site disliking hydras doesn't override the fact that the majority of players are okay with/actively use hydras. Complaining about anti-hydra sentiment is like when straight girls complain when gay bars ban bachelorette parties because it's "anti-straight girls."
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Post Post #768 (isolation #71) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:10 pm

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In post 761, Mina wrote:BROseidon, you're claiming to be a "beacon of towniness." What have you done that you couldn't or wouldn't have done as scum?
Pushing unpopular reads aggressively, drawing attention to myself instead of misdirecting onto loud targets.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #72) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:11 pm

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In post 763, Ampersand wrote:This is some very mediocre fake bravado.
If your revenge fantasy requires all your scum reads to first flip scum and the end result is someone having to work harder to get you mislynched, you have really weird revenge fantasies.
...

#reading comprehension.

The entire bolded section has nothing to do with what you quoted.

You're not even trying.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #73) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:12 pm

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(hint, I'm saying you're scum for pushing a positional case without verifying that the initial positions are the reason to leverage a push)
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Post Post #777 (isolation #74) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:31 pm

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In post 770, BROseidon wrote:(hint, I'm saying you're scum for pushing a positional case without verifying that the initial positions are the reason to leverage a push)
On second thought you might not be scum for this. DGB/kuribo both did this to me in Anything Goes.

It just means your a fucking moron.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #75) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:31 pm

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In post 773, notscience wrote:mollie I want to wagon bro
You're too afraid that I'll make fun of you for being shit at this game again?

It'll be like Xenogears all over!
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Post Post #780 (isolation #76) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:36 pm

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^That list.

I can't even...
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Post Post #838 (isolation #77) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:30 am

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In post 808, Mina wrote:Do you think it's a scummy list?
Not sure if scummy or terrible.

Too many people are scummy/terrible this game to makes it hard to differentiate.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #78) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:31 am

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In post 812, Mina wrote:Oh, I think it's {Medea, BROseidon, Osseus, Toasty} now! Ampersand, why are you still scumreading Hanzo after this post?
So the fact that I've been calling Medea scum all game now counts for nothing?

What the fuck people...
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Post Post #840 (isolation #79) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:32 am

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In post 819, Medea the Alien wrote:Dammit mollie you're doing that thing where you ignore the scum and chase the red dot. Stop chasing the red dot (and/or falling for Bro suddenly playing up his emotions only when called out on it)
Oh fuck of Cabd.

The fact that you're meta-scumreading me is absurd given how town I am this game.
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Post Post #841 (isolation #80) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:34 am

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In post 834, Ampersand wrote:Lynch Poseidon Today; lynch UTlurkerscumhydra Tomorrow; win by PoE.

Everything else is irrelevant.
You literally just suck at this game or are scum.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #81) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:17 am

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In post 843, Malakittens wrote:
In post 840, BROseidon wrote:
In post 819, Medea the Alien wrote:Dammit mollie you're doing that thing where you ignore the scum and chase the red dot. Stop chasing the red dot (and/or falling for Bro suddenly playing up his emotions only when called out on it)
Oh fuck of Cabd.

The fact that you're meta-scumreading me is absurd given how town I am this game.
clearly with the few people scum reading you.. you aren't perceived super town.
Remember when AP and I weren't perceived as town in Anything Goes, despite having the best reads in the game across the entire game and predicting the way the game would play out from day 3 onwards?

Perception isn't reality.
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Post Post #894 (isolation #82) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:51 pm

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In post 886, Mina wrote:Have to get off the computer. But what frustrates me most about your slot is that the stuff making you most likely to be town is also the stuff that's poor, disruptive play and that you're using as WIFOM in your defence while being aware of your meta.
It's "poor, disruptive" play on my part for me to defend myself aggressively when my slot gets pushed for shit reasons?

:facepalm:
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Post Post #895 (isolation #83) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:52 pm

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In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?

wat.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #84) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:35 am

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In post 906, Ampersand wrote:
In post 895, BROseidon wrote:
In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?

wat.
Yeah, that was the accusation he was responding to. I know the Nachohydra posts a lot but it's this kind of nonsense with people just refusing to read what's right in front of them that's driving the wagon.

Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #85) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:35 am

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Ambersand, are both of you scum, or just terrible at understanding rhetoric?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #86) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:37 am

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In post 909, chamber wrote:
In post 906, Ampersand wrote:
In post 895, BROseidon wrote:
In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?

wat.
Yeah, that was the accusation he was responding to. I know the Nachohydra posts a lot but it's this kind of nonsense with people just refusing to read what's right in front of them that's driving the wagon.

Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
I read this and I wonder, how did Ghatokaca choose the order of his research.
This is goodposting.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #87) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:39 am

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There are several wagons that I'd prefer to Ossy at this point. Let's flash wagon Cabd/penguin so I don't have to vig them tonight?

VOTE: Medea
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Post Post #933 (isolation #88) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:25 am

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wat.

Implicit in me trying to get you lynched is me moving votes off Osseus.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #89) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:41 am

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My reads on the two of you aren't far apart at this point, and more people are scum reading Medea.
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Post Post #941 (isolation #90) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:49 am

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Except for the part where I did ask the question, but left out just enough of my mental trajectory that f-16 would have to fill it in if he's town.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #91) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:50 am

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Basically, it makes no fucking sense when writing a massive reads list to sort the people who are under the most pressure last/with the least effort, especially when you're a leading wagon and should figure out who the best option is off your wagon to lynch.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #92) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:02 am

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Same thing, roughly.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #93) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:03 am

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Hey Bone if you flip town who would you want me to vig tonight?
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #94) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:52 pm

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yeah I prefer ghat to bones.

VOTE: Ghat
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #95) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:47 am

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:facepalm:

mollie wtf are you doing.

I have a paper due in just over 3 hours. I'd rather not have to deal with morons not able to read me correctly
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Post Post #1121 (isolation #96) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:49 am

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In post 1031, Ghatokaca wrote:There is a pretty damn good chance BRO is scum. Sure, we have Mollie's case but his play here is nothing like the recent game I finished where he was town and I actually trust Penguin's read a lot more here considering more experience and hydra experience.
Holy fucking shit this game is about 2/3 of the fucking reason I played like shit in that game.

My play across two is relatively similar for the range of my town games.
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Post Post #1122 (isolation #97) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:50 am

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In post 1039, Medea the Alien wrote:F-16, mollie has no case. BRO threw out a few grumpy statements and she decided it was enough. Hint: it isn't.

Mollie, unvote. If you think there's the slightest chance Cabd and I are town here, work with us on this. Look at town-BRO from Micro 295. Look at him here. And look at how the Ghatokaca wagon grew. It's not scum-hunting, it's mass sheeping.

--PA
Holy fucking shit, that's far from what mollie was fucking saying.
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #98) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:51 am

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In post 1044, Medea the Alien wrote:BRO and Hanzo are pretending to sheep. Not buying it.
Misrep
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #99) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:51 am

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In post 1050, chamber wrote:HIGHLY opposed to a toasty deadline lynch. Doesn't give us nearly enough info, bro is a much better last minute lynch than toasty.
I'm the worst deadline lynch you can make this game.
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #100) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:56 am

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In post 1114, Medea the Alien wrote:I'm fine with assuming you folks are town, but if you have legit talking points on BRO, bring them up. I've played against BRO-scum in NY 165 and Mini 1515. This isn't me demanding he be lynched solely for not playing to his town game. This is his scum game. Beyond that, his activity this day phase is scummy independent of any meta considerations.
How is this game similar to my game in 165? In 1515? What do the differences and similarities tell you about what I'm trying to accomplish here?
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #101) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:44 pm

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She's scum. Vote off me so I can vig her tonight
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #102) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:44 pm

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;)
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #103) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:47 pm

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baroo?
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #104) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:07 pm

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oh look not science continues to suck at this game.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #105) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:08 pm

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Then why don't you get your vote fucking off me so I can vig medea and be done with it.
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #106) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:09 pm

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In all fairness to Medea, my vig pm indicates that there are things to fuck up my vig.

It's not necessarily a RB, though, which looks suspect on their part that they would assume that.
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #107) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:10 pm

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Maybe if I yell at you to get good at this game enough you'll get good at it.

Also it's not bravado when I'm actually a vig and was hoping that town wouldn't be dumbfucktarded enough to actually wagon me on day 1.
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #108) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:12 pm

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^lol, you were hardly "kicking and screaming" in that game given THAT I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO MISDIRECT OFF OUR SLOT.

WHICH I FUCKING INVERTED HERE TO MISDIRECT ONTO MYSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM.

This town is too fucking stupid...

Like, holy shit, I thought this player list was supposed to be strong.
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Post Post #1188 (isolation #109) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:16 pm

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did you read my thing about intentionally altering my PR play here to fuck with Cabd?
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Post Post #1190 (isolation #110) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:18 pm

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In post 1183, BROseidon wrote:^lol, you were hardly "kicking and screaming" in that game given THAT I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO MISDIRECT OFF OUR SLOT.

WHICH I FUCKING INVERTED HERE TO MISDIRECT ONTO MYSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM.

This town is too fucking stupid...

Like, holy shit, I thought this player list was supposed to be strong.
Here it is for you
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #111) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:53 pm

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In post 1193, Medea the Alien wrote:P-edit: so BRO, you say you're playing scummy to get us to wagon you for being scummy to prove that we're scum? Um...you do see the problem with that, I hope. Because I'm currently throwing up my toenails and still retain enough coherency to see the issue.
Misdirect on to self day 1, but not quite enough to get lynched.

Use vig shot to conftown self.

Leverage people scum reading me day 1 to figure out who are scum.
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #112) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:56 pm

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In post 1199, Mina wrote:BRO, flavour?
Elphaba. I try to do good, but fuck up and kill instead.

(I'm also x-shot)
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #113) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:57 pm

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In post 1200, bazinga wrote:
In post 1198, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1193, Medea the Alien wrote:P-edit: so BRO, you say you're playing scummy to get us to wagon you for being scummy to prove that we're scum? Um...you do see the problem with that, I hope. Because I'm currently throwing up my toenails and still retain enough coherency to see the issue.
Misdirect on to self day 1, but not quite enough to get lynched.

Use vig shot to conftown self.

Leverage people scum reading me day 1 to figure out who are scum.
so at what point did you decide on this plan?
When people decided my mala push was scummy. Figured it was less effort to just keep game flow on me.

Mina: I thought I'd get enough town reads to get to day 2, which was all I cared for. Apparently not, though.
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #114) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:00 pm

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The fact that nobody's really cited Tohou mini against me despite the fact that I'm literally using the same day 1 tactics I used there should be a pretty strong indication that I'm town and that Cabd/Nacho are scum, since they both saw me do this exact same thing there and could have used that argument against me. Penguin's sort of cited it, but didn't really cite it.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #115) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:01 pm

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(ie, if they were town, they would have connected the dots by now and used that argument to get me lynched)
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #116) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:27 pm

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In post 1207, Medea the Alien wrote:And I've been citing Mini 1515, so try again.
You've cited it paired with a game where I played the exact opposite style, using the combination of the two to say I'm scum here.
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #117) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:28 pm

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In post 1208, chamber wrote:If bro lives, and is a vig, he basically can't shoot anyway because of how he claimed it. Annoying.
If scum have a RB or redirect, yeah :/
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #118) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:33 pm

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You're missing the part where I don't have a "town game" that's particularly defined.
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #119) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:33 pm

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In post 1217, chamber wrote:Even just them nightkilling you means that your kill deprives us a day and lynch.
Good thing there's absolutely maybe a doctor in the game?
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #120) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:10 pm

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In post 1223, notscience wrote:
In post 1168, Medea the Alien wrote:Here's what town-bro being mislynched looks like. It's not what he looks like here:

Spoiler: Micro 295 Snippets
In post 348, BROseidon wrote:
In post 337, penguin_alien wrote:Either, actually, but more the rest of the game and their non-you interactions. Until your recent reads list, I didn't have much of a sense of what your other thoughts were. My gut says this is town-you and doesn't trust Ghatokaca's reactions here, and if that's accurate, your reads are darn useful. Based on #333, I assume you don't see GiF and Varsoon as partners? How would you rank that second-string list?

I tend to agree about Xayzeck's reads list not in light of yours but more in light of that it includes the high-volume posters, and while he's deferring reading them, it reads more like they're null right now. Which, I get being hesitant about you and Ghatokaca, but GiF as well?

GiF, what I don't quite jive with on Jessica is that this doesn't feel like the town-Marquis I've played with. Within the hydra he looks townier than normal, especially with his other head posting a lot in a very stream-of-consciousness way. I'll trust your bubba read for now though.

BRO, I assume you still like your basically circular plan similar to Medical Mafia strategy, except that presumably we'd pick someone to pre-hypoclaim , and their target claims, etc.?

GiF/Varsoon don't make sense as partners b/c Ghatokaca is scum. I haven't worked out any argument from their interactions themselves.

I rank that second list as GiF/Xay/Varsoon. The issue I have with Xay's list is that he goes out of his way to talk about how unsure he is about so many people.

I don't know the medical mafia circular strat.
In post 366, BROseidon wrote:
In post 349, GuyInFreezer wrote:Nope. It just means that your posts were consecutive, which is... what I based my theory on.
You're saying that it's scummy that I didn't vote after 83, instead opting to vote at the end of my spam wall.

WHEN I ALWAYS HOLD OFF ON VOTING UNTIL I FUCKING CATCH UP.

YOU'RE LYING.

STOP TRYING TO WORDSMITH YOUR WAY OUT OF IT.

FUCKING DIE.

VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
VOTE: GIF
In post 370, BROseidon wrote:
In post 352, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 348, BROseidon wrote:b/c Ghatokaca is scum.
And as we can see, this is because Ghato was playing... bad.

The conviction is way to hostile and strong for something that's based on very weak reasoning.

Which is yet another reason I think BRO/Ghato is crossbussing. The BRO -> Ghato push doesn't make much sense.
Or you're just being a fucking moron who can't read town trajectory.

Or you're scum.

One of these is a lot more plausible than the other.
In post 372, BROseidon wrote:
In post 356, GuyInFreezer wrote:@BRO: Since when did you scumread me?
When have I not been scum reading you.
In post 375, BROseidon wrote:
In post 364, Ghatokaca wrote:You didn't "endeavor" to break the setup. You made a half-assed attempt at it and offered a little setup speculation.
Do you really think that makes you town in any respect?
More town than you and GiF, who've:

1) Proposed explicitly anti-town breaking or
2) Made no attempt to break the setup.

Among other things.
In post 376, BROseidon wrote:
In post 373, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 370, BROseidon wrote:Or you're just being a fucking moron who can't read town trajectory.

Or you're scum.
this is an interesting accusation to make.
"interesting?"

Try "completely reasonable given the gamestate and my knowledge of my alignment.

Actually.

Fuck it.

Lynch me, then lynch GiF and Ghato.

Town win.

I'm fine with getting lynched for it.
In post 377, BROseidon wrote:GiF uses a "BRO/Ghato" distancing argument to implicitly distance from Ghato.

Too fucking easy.

Die scum.
In post 381, BROseidon wrote:
In post 378, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 376, BROseidon wrote:"interesting?"

Try "completely reasonable given the gamestate and my knowledge of my alignment.
interesting considering you're currently failing to read both GiF and I for utterly trash reasons
Except they aren't trash.
In post 383, BROseidon wrote:
In post 380, Ghatokaca wrote:Self vote, then.
Gladly. I'm a VT anyways.

VOTE: BROseidon

GiF scum claim and hammer me.
In post 384, BROseidon wrote:COME ON GIF I FUCKING DARE YOU.

HAMMER ME.

SCUMCLAIM.

LET IT GO DAMMIT.
@Mina
Do you apply thought to things ever?
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #121) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:12 pm

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In post 1224, chamber wrote:
In post 1221, Tammy wrote:ghatokaca (5) - Osseus pseudotripodis, Broseidon, Hanzo_5, chamber, zdenek
Broseidon (5) a Ampersand, malakittens, bazinga, Medea the alien, notsicence
the choice is pretty clearly between these two so, choose.
It has been all game.

We just have idiot townies who can't fucking think through basic logic like looking at a fucking corpus of meta instead of cherry picking data.
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #122) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:46 pm

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In post 1234, Malakittens wrote:Uggh.

I don't really believe BRO's claim, but I feel like he's trying to "defend" his scumminess as a plot the whole time because of his role.

Then there's the part where I don't see my role and his role on town. The only way this is true is if scum is stacked.

So, either he's mafia or he's an SK plain and simple.

I'm sorry, but I'm not removing my vote off him.
1) Don't bm my scum game.

2) Wow you're bad at this game.
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #123) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:34 pm

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Scumteam is {Medea, Amber, ghato/mala}, for those playing at home.
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #124) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:35 pm

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Deadline's in an hour; I won't be self hammering this bullshit.
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #125) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:42 pm

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Or you could hammer the VT claim over the PR.
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #126) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:42 pm

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But that would require you not sucking, which I guess is too hard for you.
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #127) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:44 pm

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Mala didn't CC. Reading is hard.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #128) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:46 pm

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Are you playing against your win con intentionally?
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #129) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:47 pm

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You're literally admitting that you're making a suboptimal play that's dumb, yet you insist on making it anyways.
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Post Post #1259 (isolation #130) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:49 pm

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Wow you're shit at this game.

Like.

Worse than useless.
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #131) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:51 pm

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In post 1261, Malakittens wrote:BRO's just lashing out at everyone, ignore him.

Also, I don't really want to vote Nacho at this point. I do like F-16's posts.
So you're going to lynch a PR?

Wow.

I thought you didn't suck.
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #132) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:51 pm

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In post 1262, notscience wrote:I'm actually enjoying it, it's absolutely hysterical.
Go run your hand through a paper shredder.
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #133) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:54 pm

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Naw.

Then stick it in a pot of boiling oil.
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #134) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:54 pm

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But seriously you should really make a concerted effort to improve at this game because you really bad at it.
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #135) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:56 pm

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btw if mina or toasty are dumb enough to hammer, Mala should get PL'd for soft CCing bullshit, followed by lynches on Medea, Ambersand, and then Ghato if that doesn't end the game.

Maybe a PL on ns in there if people are feeling nice to scum.
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #136) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:57 pm

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Mala's soft-CC is either retarded town or scum hoping to maneuver around the issue next day phase after I flip town.
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #137) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:57 pm

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In post 1271, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Ugh I'd rather you lynch us over the claimed Vig. But seriously we should be lynching Ghatkota. He's "claiming" VT, and also scum. Toasty, Mina, there's an hour left, it can be done. Anyone who hammers BRO might as well confirm themselves as scum too.
The problem with that last part is that all the scum are already on my wagon.
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #138) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:00 pm

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In post 1274, notscience wrote:
In post 1270, BROseidon wrote:Maybe a PL on ns in there if people are feeling nice to scum.
nth


Although these deadline interactions are going to be spectacular when we have a flip or two.
It'll be too bad that I can't just shoot the scum.

Wait...

It'll be the fault of the 4 morons who lynched me along with the 3 scum.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #139) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:01 pm

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In post 1275, bazinga wrote:
In post 1269, Mina wrote:chamber, is Ampersand scum? I think they might be. The lack of read on UT is off.

On my phone and will be back in half an hour. Mala is the only reason this isn't a no-brainer for Ghatokaca. Frankly, I find BRO's rage looks pretty genuine right now.

VOTE: Osseus placeholder.
I am so proud of you for placing a vote.

*sets watch timer to 5 minutes and 45 seconds for when unvote inevitably happens*
*fails to comment on anything that's happened*
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #140) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:02 pm

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She can't hammer Ghato while Toasty afks.

One of the people on the me-wagon should switch to Ghato, but they're too stupid/scum to do it.
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #141) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:05 pm

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Because you're soft claiming in a way that's not town motivated.

If you're town, scum know you have a relatively strong PR.

If you're scum, you can use the way in which you've claimed to try to argue out of a lynch tomorrow.
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #142) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:06 pm

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50 minutes for Toasty to get here, or for one of the fucktards who's on me to hammer Ghato.
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #143) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:11 pm

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Also final reads list in case someone decides that hammering me is a good idea:

Shining paragon of town:

chamber
zdenek

town, but not so shiny:

Hanzo
bazinga
mina

town by PoE:

Toasty
Bones

town but should probably reconsider their life decisions:

ns

less scum:

Ghato
Mala

More scum:

Ambersand
Medea
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #144) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:12 pm

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In post 1295, bazinga wrote:and also no more trolling notsci it's all noise
But I have to troll the stupid.

It's asking to get trolled.

Like DGB and kuribo in Anything Goes
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #145) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:15 pm

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:facepalm:

Where the fuck is Toasty
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #146) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:33 pm

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In post 1334, chamber wrote:She's claiming PGO.
How the fuck did you get to this?
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #147) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:41 pm

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14 minutes.
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #148) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:41 pm

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Or you can switch to Ghato.
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #149) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:42 pm

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stalllllllllllllllling
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #150) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:44 pm

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I'm at 5, ghato at 6.

You and Toasty aren't voting.
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Post Post #1360 (isolation #151) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:46 pm

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uh, Chamber's already on ghato.

it's in the hands of AFK toasty now, unless you're talking about letting it go to NL.
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Post Post #1372 (isolation #152) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:51 pm

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gg this town is terrible.
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #153) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:52 pm

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Seriously you guys are fucking retarded.

PL Mala->Ambersand->Medea->Ghato
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Post Post #3345 (isolation #154) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:48 pm

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Protip: Mala's CC was obviously a scum claim, and should have gotten lynched.

:/
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Post Post #3347 (isolation #155) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:52 pm

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ns, remember that thing I say about how it feels like you don't try to improve between games.

This game with Frozen mafia demonstrates my points. You need to work on recognizing your mistakes in one game and applying them to the next.
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Post Post #3348 (isolation #156) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:54 pm

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Also, a few more theory points:

1) Never lynch a claimed PR on day 1 (obviously doesn't apply in role madness). It's objectively the wrong play.

2) Especially don't lynch it when it's a PR that can prove itself.
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Post Post #3349 (isolation #157) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:55 pm

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(Also, Dorothy is scum flavor)
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Post Post #3351 (isolation #158) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:57 pm

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Yeah, you guys going down first was correct.

A Ghato lynch on day 2 would have made it impossible for you guys, because it would have made Mala pretty obvscum (although the fact that nobody picked up on Ghato-RB/Mala-scum after Mala cc'd me still confuses me, since that was incredibly obvious to me once I'd had time to calm down)
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Post Post #3357 (isolation #159) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:05 pm

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In post 3353, notscience wrote:I actually was starting to worry it was DBK 2.0

But what really tripped me up was Nacho's stance on her

Because I was basing it on who made more sense as a scumteam

Mala/Mina or Ghato/Amper

And i'm really pissed I unvoted nacho
That's why you gotta reread if you can't remember games in full as they happen. The end of day 1 would have been helpful for getting to Mala/ghato.
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Post Post #3359 (isolation #160) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:07 pm

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And yeah, sorry that I'm kind of mean in the dead QT.

I have a hard time filtering out frustration from feedback :/
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Post Post #3361 (isolation #161) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:08 pm

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I don't think Dorothy's even "evil" or "bad" in the play, but the fact that she gets duped into being a pawn for The Wizard/Madame Morrible would make her make sense as scum flavor-wise.
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #162) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:53 pm

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In post 3366, T-Bone wrote:Just stop doing that thing where you go "these people are town and I'm never ever reconsidering it".
This.

Having town reads is fine.

Not being willing to check them ever is a problem.
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Post Post #3373 (isolation #163) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:54 pm

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Also, fun fact.

If you sheeped my end of day 1 reads from Toasty and below, and took Toasty's claim, it was a guaranteed town win.

The Hanzo/Aronis lynch was the one that cost town the game. That lynch shouldn't have ever happened; that slot was the most obvtown slot in the game other than chamber.
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Post Post #3380 (isolation #164) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:11 pm

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In post 3377, pirate mollie wrote:mebbe you should have included that the joat wouldn't lie about their role
Claiming JOAT wouldn't have not gotten me lynched, though.

I had a vig shot. That wasn't a lie.

I just didn't mention the track or commute.
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Post Post #3381 (isolation #165) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:13 pm

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In post 3376, Mina wrote:I feel like I should have reread the early game more rather than focus so much on LYLO play
Day 1 is by far the most important day in most games.
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Post Post #3386 (isolation #166) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:06 pm

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I would say scum-me would never fakeclaim a confirmable role like that, but I totally did in Attack on Titan (faked having a vig shot to fake getting role blocked).

Yeah, Mala's CC was really bold, but people weren't going to hold her to it. She had a metric fuckton of towncred at the end of day 1, despite me trying to constantly attack it b/c of how obvscum I thought she was (every point I made re: the response to the Hanzo vote and Mala's overreaction was right!). When a slot has people town reading it really hard, you can do pretty brazen shit and have inertia keep the slot safe (AP did this in NY165 getting the super-doc lynched b/c of how town read the slot he replaced into was).

pedit: had Toasty been around, he'd have hammered you guys, and then my vig on Mala would have landed night 1. Game would have been unwinnable for you guys at that point (I'd get to troll around, and you'd have only 1 mislynch b/c of my track shot).
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Post Post #3416 (isolation #167) » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:07 pm

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Depends on whether you're talking gut reads or logic reads.

Logic reads differing are largely fine; logic is largely conditioned socially, so people from different backgrounds coming to different conclusions via logic happens a lot (ffery made a comment about this one time re: mollie about how disagreement about logic doesn't necessarily mean right/wrong. I think it was in the Xenoblade dead thread).

The one time when this isn't the case is between two very accurate gut-read players disagreeing. Like, for instance, if ActionDan and I disagree on a gut read, and I'm town, I'm gonna be worried about AD, since his gut reads are generally very solid.

Mina using that as a point against me day 1 for gut-scumreading Mala, on the other hand, doesn't apply to the above, since Mina is one of the least gut-driven players I've seen. I've been meaning to make a comment on that, because that post was in particularly very frustrating to read.
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Post Post #3418 (isolation #168) » Thu May 01, 2014 6:01 am

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There are maybe 3 or 4 players that I feel I can get decent reads off that way?

It's not a lot, but it's enough to be worth noting.
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