Obligatory fakeclaiming masons with Cabd. Too bad kuribo/DGB aren't in the game.In post 29, Medea the Alien wrote:/confirm exactly 1,531 mason points with Bro
Rest of Mina interactions read okay.
Chamber's probably town.
VOTE: EVIL KITTIES
Obligatory fakeclaiming masons with Cabd. Too bad kuribo/DGB aren't in the game.In post 29, Medea the Alien wrote:/confirm exactly 1,531 mason points with Bro
Because it indicates you looking to be spoon fed an answer instead of trying to think about the motivation behind Hanzo's vote as either alignment.In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
I also mentioned that Mina's other posting felt okay, whereas Mala didn't have other posting to compare it to...In post 130, chamber wrote:I mean, yeah it was, but Mina's question was the more offensive in that regard? I even already pointed this out.In post 129, BROseidon wrote:Because it indicates you looking to be spoon fed an answer instead of trying to think about the motivation behind Hanzo's vote as either alignment.In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
It should have been obvious why Hanzo's vote went to Bazinga over the other hydras.
POST 25 MALA.In post 25, Hanzo_5 wrote:UNVOTE: Notscience
VOTE: Bazinga
I dont like hydras,my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
Because your response to him+your insistence that your attack wasn't shit is shit.In post 142, Malakittens wrote:I don't care if he was going to move it once something better comes along.
IT WAS A LAZY VOTE.
Why are you so content on defending him?....
I'm saying that any authority you have in catching me as scum is undermined by the fact that youIn post 171, bazinga wrote:What motivated you to say this and use this as a defense?
Aka it's in response to this.In post 153, bazinga wrote:I glared stared at bro's scum game in the first xeno game. the only way to catch him is to view his angles and his angle on mala is very wrong and not in a derpy way it seems premeditated somehow
Oh. Lol.In post 180, Zdenek wrote:In post 14, bazinga wrote:mebbe we should have every1 draw out the day even with this confscum minaIn post 17, bazinga wrote:chamber mebbe you shouldnt jump out and scumclaim and make it so easyIn post 29, Medea the Alien wrote:P-edit: Also mollie seems pretty town on page one/two, cool.Well, I think my work here is done.In post 164, Medea the Alien wrote:Mollie OTOH is crafty enough as scum that she'd be sending out "mebbe X drew scum" reads on players, and using her "perfect meta" to drive lynches that way. She's not. She's town.
Asking for trajectory on something that had obvious trajectory as far as RVS trajectory goes + calling an RVS vote scummy for contrived reasons doesn't seem scummy to you?In post 189, Malakittens wrote:My gut is saying that one of {Hanzo or BRO} are scum. Could be either or could be both. I just find the vote on me by BRO odd and as for Hanzo the whole attitude towards the hydra. I just feel like something is off in regards to what is currently happening.
Back to where we were...In post 195, Mina wrote:I may change my vote soon because Medea is mostly in scum due to competence reasons, but basically every single wagon except for Medea and BRO_seidon is actively bad.
Original point I brought up.In post 26, Malakittens wrote:This is really, really stupid.In post 25, Hanzo_5 wrote:UNVOTE: Notscience
VOTE: Bazinga
I dont like hydras, my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
You do realize there's more than one hydra playing, right?
Way too long-winded. Way too hedged. Other comments in my mod-color.In post 82, Malakittens wrote:1. I disagree on Medea because I cansometimesread PA half better than I couldeverread the cabd half of the hydra. Cabd being trolly in his OP isn't something I see as alignment indicative. (Why the semantic contradiction here?However my past experience in trying to read PA went sour because I recently mislynched her Day 1 in a completed game because I thought her lurking when she was posting elsewhere was alignment indicative of her being scum and only appearing after I called her out on it.) So basically Medea is null to me rather than how you have them leaning scum.Why the additional qualification on the "sometimes" aspect of being able to read penguin. I probably have more games with penguin than anyone else in this game, and I'll just say outright that I can't read her that well. No need for the wafflingWHY DID WE NEED THIS WHOLE FUCKING PARAGRAPH. ALSO, WHY THE EXPECTATION OF A DEVELOPED READ ON A PLAYER BY POST 82 OF THE THREAD?
Failure to understand that I wasn't calling her out on her position, but rather on how she engaged Hanzo's point (i.e., asking "WHY BAZINGA" instead of coming to the obvious conclusion that it had to do with page 1 activity). Consider this roughly in line with how I first caught mastin out in Anything Goes (his failure to understand my town read on Ghostlin while having to engage with it b/c I can perfectly read Ghostlin).In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
Misrep of my position in the game (stating I have a Hanzo-town position when I've stated no position on Hanzo).In post 134, Malakittens wrote:Maybe I do want to be spoon fed an answer! I really do not get why you are defending him so hard over one post while attacking me / voting me in only a grand total of two of your posts.
Justifying an overreaction to an RVS vote.In post 134, Malakittens wrote:I really don't give a crap that he voted for a hydra. it's the reason why he voted for the hydra. It was lazy as fuck. I know Hanzo was talking to the hydra, but Bazinga wasn't the only hydra in Page 1 to post. Singling Bazinga out while to me was being obv town was a REALLY bad vote.
I have seen scum hide behind the vote of "Oh I hate hydras. They ruin games because of hydra diss or they ruin games because they aren't normal or they ruin games because they don't sign their posts." Hating hydras isn't a good reason to vote a player, plain and simple.
Continued failure to understand that RVS is a thing + continued misrep of my position.In post 142, Malakittens wrote:I don't care if he was going to move it once something better comes along.
IT WAS A LAZY VOTE.
Why are you so content on defending him?....
Oh yes, that strong RVS push was going to put bazinga under real pressure...In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:Also, as far as Mala jumping on Hanzo for hating on the hydras goes, if we needed any further proof that this is town-Mala, scum-Mala wouldn't be trying to derail anything thatmighteliminate hydras with players she would fear could read her, namely mollie among others.
I give you...In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:Please tell me you're joking BRO; you're better than that. Do you seriously believe that 'mollie' playing into Mina's self-investigation jest in the first 10 game posts is the same thing as her trying to soft-push people?
^AP caught mastin out on that post. Fastest non-luck based read I've ever seen.In post 18, Unmasked Kit wrote:By my count, that's the majority of the playerlist, so I hope that this counts:
VOTE: Angry Frat BROS.
Because they're probably scum, and even if they're not, I'm going to end up thinking they are, anyway.
Implicit in this is that Hanzo was somehow generating real pressure.In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:Your Mala case is lousy. Town-Mala was going to bat for someone she knows well in terms of jumping on Hanzo's bazinga vote; as I said above, scum-Mala would have let it slide.
Except I'm not defending him; I'm using the shit attack against him to launch my own attack. My read on him is null because he's done jack shit worth noting.In post 217, Medea the Alien wrote:And there's a difference between noting your defense of Hanzo and saying that you're town-reading him. Although, FTR, what is your current read on him?
Comments in purpleIn post 248, Malakittens wrote:
Why the semantic contradiction? Because I'm not an arrogant person who believes they can confidently say they can read one person. I believe I'm just starting to figure out how to read Penguin. Cabd I have played multiple games with and still to this day can't read him for shit. So, I'm an indecisive little fuck when it comes to this hydra. I believe I'm starting to get the hang of reading her so therefore "sometimes" is accurate because I can pinpoint scum-Peng right, but after a while I drop the read. I wanted to make a paragraph so fuck it I'll make a paragraph.That... literally doesn't address my point. My point was that your use of sometimes+ever was semantically off in a way that doesn't make sense. You can sometimes read someone better than you can always read someone else? That doesn't mean anything. A town phrasing would have been "I can read penguin better than cabd, but I'm not very confident in my ability in my ability to read penguin" (or something along those lines). Also, that last sentence is scummy.
Ps, don't compare me to Mastin. I'll never be like Mastin not at all. Two people are completely different just because you called out someone for something in another game doesn't mean you will be right in this one.Just because you aren't mastin doesn't mean that I can't apply the same scum hunting principles to you. You're smart enough to draw the distinction between a meta argument versus a more universal argument, and trying to paint the latter as the former doesn't make you look good
I still don't get why you are bugging out so hardcore. So yes your interactions with me currently makes me think you are flat out scum, but I can't tell if you are attacking me because you are scum buddies with Hanzo or because you are trying to get some type of cred if Hanzo were to get lynched and flip town, a "I told you so; so to speak of."...I'm the one who overreacted? You turbo-flipped at my vote on you and OMGUS'd the fuck out of it
Not an overreaction, but okaaay.
Just so you know:
This by you is full of emotional manipulation. Someone doesn't agree with you so you outright say "oh looks like I'm going to call everyone shit at this game soon."In post 218, BROseidon wrote:Looks like I'm gonna have to start calling everyone shit at this game soon......Did you forget that I'm an asshole or something?
...In post 224, Mina wrote:The Mala post read more like a frame case, in particular the "justifying an overreaction to an RVS vote" line.
By the way, you seem disproportionately angry. Any reason for that?
Only other game we've had together was AG, where I was with AP?In post 242, bazinga wrote:I also read him correctly as both alignments in some other games to so he is outright misrepping me I am going to have to think about that.
Like I said, if you just default to scum reading me, you'll always read me as scum in games where I'm scum.In post 254, bazinga wrote:in xeno2 I only read you as scum for the first part of the day, openly stated I was sheeping fery's read. I read you correctly (finally) in sabotage did you forget that game alreadyIn post 251, BROseidon wrote:Only other game we've had together was AG, where I was with AP?In post 242, bazinga wrote:I also read him correctly as both alignments in some other games to so he is outright misrepping me I am going to have to think about that.
And you legit scumread me for a good part of Xeno2.
God dammit.In post 259, Medea the Alien wrote:BRO, do you think Mala and mastin's scum games have much in common? Because I don't get your comparison to mastin2 in AG.
Except the part where I said that I liked the case? And then on Zdenek's followup said the reason I wasn't voting for you is b/c the Mala wagon is tastier?In post 281, Medea the Alien wrote: Not a fan of Bro by any means, but we can't put our finger on why. Just something about the way he handwaved the z-fox thing's case on us away while still leaving the door open to jump on later.
What interactions? Me calling you out for blowing shit out of proportion and then US having a tiff?In post 383, Malakittens wrote:Which tend in that logic makes me think possible town, but as I said I can't ignore the interactions between you and BRO.
This is a Nacho post? If it is, you should know what I'm looking for and why I'd prefer a hydra game/more data.In post 391, Ghatokaca wrote:I'm pretty confident that you don't really need to splice his hydra interactions too much after being slapped in the face with the difference between T-Bone here and T-Bone there.
I'm not looking for meta; there's something else I want to look at.In post 394, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:@Bro, I don't have another hydra game in which I was town (and said game was 3 years ago). Nacho linked you a game in which I was town and played poorly, but if you're looking for "meta" sure, use it I guess. The essence of things I look for in scum are there. I don't put much stock into meta, it's not all that reliable, and its too easy for scum to do to pretend to scumhunt.
For some reason I thought you were scum that game...In post 395, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:But Bro Here. I played a better game then in Micro 252, if it'll help you see the painfully obvious.
In post 414, Ghatokaca wrote:In general, it is easy to do what is expected from a meta-level as scum. I for instance tend to do what is expected of me when I am scum. For example, I played a game with Nacho where we were both town. I scumread him hard and voted him in LYLO losing the game. I later replaced into a game in LYLO where I was scum and Nacho was town. I hesitated to scumread him and spent a ton of time trying to see his side for fear of scumreading him wrongly again. The general concept I am putting forth is that players know how they are expected to act when they are scum. The natural course of action is to confirm to these expectations to not ping scum radars. There is very little reason Penguin as scum would defend town-Mala so brazenly. She is going to get raised eyebrows targeted at her, potentially derail a mislynch and be the target of immense paranoia. On the other hand, scumreading Mala or expressing uncertainty would be something that lets her fly below the radar and fulfill her scum wincon effectively. There is extremely little risk and extremely small reward. I know for instance I wouldn't even have thought twice about it if she expressed Mala paranoia or deferred the Mala read to Cabd. Her actions places unnecessary attention to herself while making a scumwin for her more difficult.
diction.In post 447, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Like what?
based on mollie's play, the latter. I think there's a good chance Mala's buddies are both hydras, though.In post 456, ToastyToast wrote:@BROseidon: Do you think malakittens is defending bazinga here? Like, is your argument that they are scum together, or do you think it is isolated to a buddying malakittens?
I think this has only happened once?In post 490, Medea the Alien wrote:Having said that, upon further reflection, the places where I've misread town-BRO, like Narnia Micro 199, tend to come from my incorrectly linking him with actual scum and not misreading him on his own merits so much.In post 482, bazinga wrote:you made a solid case on ToastyToast, so why not vote her right now?
--PA
They make sense as a scumteam and are all individually scummy. I'm making connections because mafia's a game primarily of interactions, and catching interactions that are off is the only real way to catch scum. Also, it would be lining up lynches if I were to say "LYNCH THESE PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PREVIOUS ONE FLIPS," instead of "this is a scum team theory that I'm operating under, and is therefore subject to change should any aspect of it be proven wrong."In post 494, ToastyToast wrote:As in the three of them as a scumteam? Why are you making connections between players when we haven't even had a single flip? This just looks like an attempt to chain lynches together.
Given Mala's overreaction to Hanzo's RVS post, Mala-scum implies hydra buddies.In post 571, Zdenek wrote:Broseidon, what's the deal with that "or another hydra looks most likely to me for scum" post?
Hey Cabd.In post 590, Medea the Alien wrote:Hey mollie remember in Xenogears when we mislynched Bro? And how he was super duper ragerific and "hollier than thou" about it with a burning passion? Because I see none of that and instead a very hollow attempt at replicating it while trying to keep low. And penguin agrees that he does that in games while being mislynched other than Xeno, too.
(For those of you that were not privy to that game, take his ISO starting here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5381749 )
Like where's his fervor that we're misreading him? Where's the "I'm gonna take this game by the balls and do shit" mode? It's nowhere to be found. You see what I mean?
Mala was the initial scumread.In post 602, notscience wrote:WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
He says that he thinks Hydras are mala's buddies given her reaction to RVS?
Yet, in his scumteam, he has 4 names- 2 definate, 2 that can alternate, but one of them was the initial PREMISE behind scumteam with hydrae and one was just townreading them all
Did I miss something?
Carry me pls.In post 594, Zdenek wrote:Anyway, here's where I am at.
Town: Mina, Malakittens
Weaker Town: Chamber, Bazinga, notscience
Null, not willing to lynch: Toasty, Broseidon
Null, willing to lynch: Medea, Hanzo, Ampersand.
Scum: Osseus, Ghatokaca.
I kind of want to lynch Osseus because an Osseus scum flip would mean that we should insta-lynch Ampersand.
Hanzo posts an RVS vote about hating hydras on your slot.In post 614, bazinga wrote:Really? Please go on, cos I think I missed this and now I'm curious
Why do you devalue the contributions any of us could have as town?In post 620, Mina wrote:This was when I was much more confident about the game state than I am now. I was thinking that if any of you three were scum, it'd be better to lynch you early. Osseus would probably be lynched down the line, but you three could easily kill the people who suspect you and wriggle out of it. Now I'm not all that sure there's more than one scum in that group of three, though.
1) Oh, I don't care if Zdenek is hard town reading you if you're not on my "lynch now" list. If push comes to shove and I have to argue with him about it later, I will, but I'm going to try to align our immediate interests first.In post 620, Mina wrote:I'm your top townread now? How did this happen? And you're saying the only thing making you doubt your scumreads is that Malakittens needs two scum partners who are hydras?
Never mind that your scumteam revolves completely around Malakittens' page two question, which is as null as can be. I mean, bazinga (who is a "shining paragon of towniness") gets voted for being a hydra, Mala calls the vote stupid...all because Hanzo didn't vote one of the hydras on her team?
Good thing I don't have to sell you, then.In post 633, Mina wrote:BROseidon, you're never ever ever going to sell anyone on Malakittens being scum based on that RVS question to Hanzo. And you're definitely never going to sell us on her partners being (well, the odds are it would be one in this game, but that's just a coincidence). Just accept it.
Oh, you're not in the clear.In post 633, Mina wrote:Am I imagining that in this post, Mina/Medea/Malakittens were your scumreads? Since it's in present tense.
In post 649, Medea the Alien wrote:Add another ticky mark to the 'this is not town-BRO being wagoned column.
I've been kind of a dick all game.In post 656, Malakittens wrote:Please, please tell me you are kidding in 651 Mollie. Please. You are seriously going to town read someone for sayin 'oh fuck off' after you just called him out for not acting the same way.
Can you give me a better reason for Mala's over response to my vote on her, then?In post 660, Zdenek wrote:This is unbelievable. To believe this you would have to think that this put Mala under pressure, and you already mocked that this vote would put Bazinga under pressure.
lol.In post 661, Malakittens wrote:Like I said it seems you were called out and now you are bringing up the emotion. Which makes me think you're tying to fake it.
Yeah I should probably take a step back and do this.In post 668, bazinga wrote:what is missing from this game in insp3ct0r bro1 and a definitive list of your reads right now. also you are not interacting with me directly.
Hydras minus you, Hanzo, Mina, Toasty, ns.In post 668, bazinga wrote:and question if you unstuck yourself from mala for a minute who would you be looking at?
I think you didn't respond to my counter-question?In post 680, Zdenek wrote:I'm attacking Bros' argument because I think it contradicts a stance that he's taken. I also think that Mala's town, but that's really relevant here.
Problem is that doesn't seem reasonable to me.In post 691, Zdenek wrote:Actually seems like an okay response to your vote.
Uh, I'm not sure on the quality of the Osseus wagon? I still haven't gotten around to reading T-Bone's stuff, so the only argument I can give is that I'm the shining paragon of towniness this game (and that everyone's terrible for being unable to see that).In post 693, Mina wrote:BROseidon, give me an actual reason to switch to Osseus. The only reasons I haven't is 1) waiting for UT to magically become town, 2) I've only skimmed the past few days' worth of post (Ghatokaca in particular I need to reread), and 3) I still feel kind of icky unvoting you.
Please walk me through your read of my slot this game. What in particular gives you a scum read on me? When did you doubt it (if at all)? Also, have any of Mala's later posts affected your read at all?
in b4 all my scum reads flip scum and you have to come up with some shitty way to justify pushing a positional case on someone before verifying their positions.In post 727, Ampersand wrote:I thought mollie-bazinga seemed pretty town-ish from her post about BRO (#667), because, effort. Although I tend to disagree with her overall conclusion -I think the quality of BRO's reads and playis probably more pertinent to his alignment than his showing emotion (or lack of).
Give me mollie back.In post 730, bazinga wrote:I think mala is town.In post 726, Mina wrote:Like, I vaguely remember really minor things about Mala that pinged me, but I'd be completely talking out of my ass to mention them. If I don't end up locking this townread in, I'll get back to you, notscience.
I kinda think bro is projecting.
Give me mollie back.In post 730, bazinga wrote:I think mala is town.In post 726, Mina wrote:Like, I vaguely remember really minor things about Mala that pinged me, but I'd be completely talking out of my ass to mention them. If I don't end up locking this townread in, I'll get back to you, notscience.
I kinda think bro is projecting.
Once, a while ago. I don't remember anything specific about his play.In post 741, notscience wrote:Anyone here played with Burnt Toast before
You're right, my difference of opinion with Zdenek doesn't make him scummy.In post 748, Malakittens wrote:See difference of opinion doesn't equal scummy though.
I hydra in 90% of my games though, lately. Actually, there is a bit of a site-wide anti-hydra sentiment. A lot of people don't like them, but to just vote because they are a hydra in the first two pages of a game is ridiculous.
Pushing unpopular reads aggressively, drawing attention to myself instead of misdirecting onto loud targets.In post 761, Mina wrote:BROseidon, you're claiming to be a "beacon of towniness." What have you done that you couldn't or wouldn't have done as scum?
...In post 763, Ampersand wrote:This is some very mediocre fake bravado.If your revenge fantasy requires all your scum reads to first flip scum and the end result is someone having to work harder to get you mislynched, you have really weird revenge fantasies.
On second thought you might not be scum for this. DGB/kuribo both did this to me in Anything Goes.In post 770, BROseidon wrote:(hint, I'm saying you're scum for pushing a positional case without verifying that the initial positions are the reason to leverage a push)
You're too afraid that I'll make fun of you for being shit at this game again?In post 773, notscience wrote:mollie I want to wagon bro
So the fact that I've been calling Medea scum all game now counts for nothing?In post 812, Mina wrote:Oh, I think it's {Medea, BROseidon, Osseus, Toasty} now! Ampersand, why are you still scumreading Hanzo after this post?
Oh fuck of Cabd.In post 819, Medea the Alien wrote:Dammit mollie you're doing that thing where you ignore the scum and chase the red dot. Stop chasing the red dot (and/or falling for Bro suddenly playing up his emotions only when called out on it)
Remember when AP and I weren't perceived as town in Anything Goes, despite having the best reads in the game across the entire game and predicting the way the game would play out from day 3 onwards?In post 843, Malakittens wrote:clearly with the few people scum reading you.. you aren't perceived super town.In post 840, BROseidon wrote:Oh fuck of Cabd.In post 819, Medea the Alien wrote:Dammit mollie you're doing that thing where you ignore the scum and chase the red dot. Stop chasing the red dot (and/or falling for Bro suddenly playing up his emotions only when called out on it)
The fact that you're meta-scumreading me is absurd given how town I am this game.
It's "poor, disruptive" play on my part for me to defend myself aggressively when my slot gets pushed for shit reasons?In post 886, Mina wrote:Have to get off the computer. But what frustrates me most about your slot is that the stuff making you most likely to be town is also the stuff that's poor, disruptive play and that you're using as WIFOM in your defence while being aware of your meta.
So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
In post 906, Ampersand wrote:Yeah, that was the accusation he was responding to. I know the Nachohydra posts a lot but it's this kind of nonsense with people just refusing to read what's right in front of them that's driving the wagon.In post 895, BROseidon wrote:So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
wat.
Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
This is goodposting.In post 909, chamber wrote:I read this and I wonder, how did Ghatokaca choose the order of his research.In post 906, Ampersand wrote:Yeah, that was the accusation he was responding to. I know the Nachohydra posts a lot but it's this kind of nonsense with people just refusing to read what's right in front of them that's driving the wagon.In post 895, BROseidon wrote:So you put the least effort in trying to get a read in one of the largest wagons?In post 888, Ghatokaca wrote:I'll admit my BRO read was probably the one I put in the least amount of effort. It was the last read I was doing while being asked for my reads list and I didn't spend as much time on it as the others. I spend more time trying to consolidate townreads as opposed to making cases on scumreads because it is more important for me to get my POE right and not townread scum. I think it is better to have strong townreads and a pile of potentially interchangeable null/scumreads than it is to nail down one or two very strong scumreads. Lynching from outside the strong town pool makes a lot more sense.
wat.
Chamb, you should join the Poseidonwagon.
Holy fucking shit this game is about 2/3 of the fucking reason I played like shit in that game.In post 1031, Ghatokaca wrote:There is a pretty damn good chance BRO is scum. Sure, we have Mollie's case but his play here is nothing like the recent game I finished where he was town and I actually trust Penguin's read a lot more here considering more experience and hydra experience.
Holy fucking shit, that's far from what mollie was fucking saying.In post 1039, Medea the Alien wrote:F-16, mollie has no case. BRO threw out a few grumpy statements and she decided it was enough. Hint: it isn't.
Mollie, unvote. If you think there's the slightest chance Cabd and I are town here, work with us on this. Look at town-BRO from Micro 295. Look at him here. And look at how the Ghatokaca wagon grew. It's not scum-hunting, it's mass sheeping.
--PA
MisrepIn post 1044, Medea the Alien wrote:BRO and Hanzo are pretending to sheep. Not buying it.
I'm the worst deadline lynch you can make this game.In post 1050, chamber wrote:HIGHLY opposed to a toasty deadline lynch. Doesn't give us nearly enough info, bro is a much better last minute lynch than toasty.
How is this game similar to my game in 165? In 1515? What do the differences and similarities tell you about what I'm trying to accomplish here?In post 1114, Medea the Alien wrote:I'm fine with assuming you folks are town, but if you have legit talking points on BRO, bring them up. I've played against BRO-scum in NY 165 and Mini 1515. This isn't me demanding he be lynched solely for not playing to his town game. This is his scum game. Beyond that, his activity this day phase is scummy independent of any meta considerations.
Here it is for youIn post 1183, BROseidon wrote:^lol, you were hardly "kicking and screaming" in that game given THAT I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO MISDIRECT OFF OUR SLOT.
WHICH I FUCKING INVERTED HERE TO MISDIRECT ONTO MYSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM.
This town is too fucking stupid...
Like, holy shit, I thought this player list was supposed to be strong.
Misdirect on to self day 1, but not quite enough to get lynched.In post 1193, Medea the Alien wrote:P-edit: so BRO, you say you're playing scummy to get us to wagon you for being scummy to prove that we're scum? Um...you do see the problem with that, I hope. Because I'm currently throwing up my toenails and still retain enough coherency to see the issue.
When people decided my mala push was scummy. Figured it was less effort to just keep game flow on me.In post 1200, bazinga wrote:so at what point did you decide on this plan?In post 1198, BROseidon wrote:Misdirect on to self day 1, but not quite enough to get lynched.In post 1193, Medea the Alien wrote:P-edit: so BRO, you say you're playing scummy to get us to wagon you for being scummy to prove that we're scum? Um...you do see the problem with that, I hope. Because I'm currently throwing up my toenails and still retain enough coherency to see the issue.
Use vig shot to conftown self.
Leverage people scum reading me day 1 to figure out who are scum.
You've cited it paired with a game where I played the exact opposite style, using the combination of the two to say I'm scum here.In post 1207, Medea the Alien wrote:And I've been citing Mini 1515, so try again.
Do you apply thought to things ever?In post 1223, notscience wrote:@MinaIn post 1168, Medea the Alien wrote:Here's what town-bro being mislynched looks like. It's not what he looks like here:
Spoiler: Micro 295 Snippets
It has been all game.In post 1224, chamber wrote:the choice is pretty clearly between these two so, choose.In post 1221, Tammy wrote:ghatokaca (5) - Osseus pseudotripodis, Broseidon, Hanzo_5, chamber, zdenek
Broseidon (5) a Ampersand, malakittens, bazinga, Medea the alien, notsicence
1) Don't bm my scum game.In post 1234, Malakittens wrote:Uggh.
I don't really believe BRO's claim, but I feel like he's trying to "defend" his scumminess as a plot the whole time because of his role.
Then there's the part where I don't see my role and his role on town. The only way this is true is if scum is stacked.
So, either he's mafia or he's an SK plain and simple.
I'm sorry, but I'm not removing my vote off him.
So you're going to lynch a PR?In post 1261, Malakittens wrote:BRO's just lashing out at everyone, ignore him.
Also, I don't really want to vote Nacho at this point. I do like F-16's posts.
Go run your hand through a paper shredder.In post 1262, notscience wrote:I'm actually enjoying it, it's absolutely hysterical.
The problem with that last part is that all the scum are already on my wagon.In post 1271, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Ugh I'd rather you lynch us over the claimed Vig. But seriously we should be lynching Ghatkota. He's "claiming" VT, and also scum. Toasty, Mina, there's an hour left, it can be done. Anyone who hammers BRO might as well confirm themselves as scum too.
It'll be too bad that I can't just shoot the scum.In post 1274, notscience wrote:In post 1270, BROseidon wrote:Maybe a PL on ns in there if people are feeling nice to scum.nth
Although these deadline interactions are going to be spectacular when we have a flip or two.
*fails to comment on anything that's happened*In post 1275, bazinga wrote:I am so proud of you for placing a vote.In post 1269, Mina wrote:chamber, is Ampersand scum? I think they might be. The lack of read on UT is off.
On my phone and will be back in half an hour. Mala is the only reason this isn't a no-brainer for Ghatokaca. Frankly, I find BRO's rage looks pretty genuine right now.
VOTE: Osseus placeholder.
*sets watch timer to 5 minutes and 45 seconds for when unvote inevitably happens*
That's why you gotta reread if you can't remember games in full as they happen. The end of day 1 would have been helpful for getting to Mala/ghato.In post 3353, notscience wrote:I actually was starting to worry it was DBK 2.0
But what really tripped me up was Nacho's stance on her
Because I was basing it on who made more sense as a scumteam
Mala/Mina or Ghato/Amper
And i'm really pissed I unvoted nacho
This.In post 3366, T-Bone wrote:Just stop doing that thing where you go "these people are town and I'm never ever reconsidering it".
Claiming JOAT wouldn't have not gotten me lynched, though.In post 3377, pirate mollie wrote:mebbe you should have included that the joat wouldn't lie about their role