Can you give me a breif explanation of why I am scum, please?In post 2499, notscience wrote:Attention, viewers of this game.
Look at your readslists.
Do you have Hanzo in your scumreads? Please follow the paths below depending on your answer.
Yes- Vote him. Most of the playerlist has professed a Hanzo scumread and yet look at all the people voting him.
No- Why isn't he scum?
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I can't, unfortunately.In post 2512, notscience wrote:Coasting off a townread given for one statement where he offered himself up as a lynch over a claimed PR and vanishing as well as using constant tunneling behavior to avoid having to broaden his borders.
Of course, you'll just use the "I can't justify my predecessor" excuse, but meh.... Ew.In post 2504, Ampersand wrote:A relative newbie just replaced into that slot with a decent amount of pressure on them. This is definitely not the time to use a Gladiator power.
I'm one of your supposed scumreads, correct? Yet you don't reference any scum-motivation that could have lead to that post. No "HE ONLY WANTS YOU TO DO THAT TO SECURE A MISLYNCH". Nothing.
No.
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Thank you. I'd really prefer that you would at least wait on the Gladiator power.In post 2514, ToastyToast wrote:Alright so. You don't think mala should gladiator hanzo. And you don't think hanzo should be lynched, but you think he could be lynched. I don't think this logic is scummy, but its really strange. Do you town read hanzo?In post 2503, bazinga wrote:I am not in support of a hanzo lynchIn post 2501, notscience wrote:Yeah
But she's town regardless
She should use it on Hanzo so people get their heads out of their asses and vote him
I want either ghatty things or amper people
thinking mebbe medeas might have been talking to scum the whole time and that is why their reads are skewed
Part of the reason why I think Mala should use her power. She has been sick so I'm not troubled by her not saying much day 2, but I want to see the power at work. The fact that it has been delayed in use is making me concerned that she may not even have it (even though it'd be a dumb power to fake-claim if she didn't have such a power).I highly doubt Mina is scum though.In post 2491, Ghatokaca wrote:I don't currently have strong feelings for Mala-scum, but I have feelings. Mala ineffectually tunneling for Hanzo on two days in a row when she has a gladiator is probably the most troublesome part, but a lack of Mala reach outs to either of us for two days is also pretty troublesome.
Hanzo had a lot of suspicion day 1 (if you read the first few pages, its really all you'll need). I'd say the main thing is he was active lurking, and never contributed much of anything. I doubt you'd want to read 100 pages, but if you read the beginning you'll get a better idea of itIn post 2509, Aronis wrote:Can you give me a breif explanation of why I am scum, please?In post 2499, notscience wrote:Attention, viewers of this game.
Look at your readslists.
Do you have Hanzo in your scumreads? Please follow the paths below depending on your answer.
Yes- Vote him. Most of the playerlist has professed a Hanzo scumread and yet look at all the people voting him.
No- Why isn't he scum?
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VOTE: notscienceIn post 2520, notscience wrote:Mala I think you should use it on (Mina, Aronis, Amper)
In the meantime feel free to apply more pressure to Aronis liberally
Quit playing like this and make yourself useful.
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If you really expect me to read all 101 pages, you're a damn fool.In post 2522, notscience wrote:Glad to see you haven't read the game.
I've solved most of the game and limited the scumteam down to that pool, nice OMGUS though.
If you've really figured out the scum team, explain who and why and give some goddamn evidence for a change.
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Leaning scum with notscience, but that's pretty normal. It'll be interesring to see Mala use her power. Ghato is leaning town, IMO, but that certainly isn't set in stone. Lean town with Bazinga? I'll try to figure more out tomorrow.
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In post 2549, notscience wrote:This game is hinging on Hanzoslot and you people are so scared to pressure him for some reason (except you guys I know why you aren't)
But seriously
If you are so determined, I really feel like you need to give more reasoning. You're just pestering people to lynch this slot and it really isn't helping. Either give 100% or quit.
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So I read through a decent amount of the game.
Reads for now,
LeanTown/Town,
Ghato, mina, Toasty
Null,
Ampersand, Bazinga, Medea
notscience,
Obviously reading him as scum, but I'm not that confident in that read. But my vote is staying on him for now.
mala,
I'm to the point where I think just use the gladiator power on top scum read or whoever. Just to make sure the claim is legit if nothing else.
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LeanTown/Town,
Ghato, mina, Toasty
Null,
Ampersand, Bazinga, Medea
notscience,
Obviously reading him as scum, but I'm not that confident in that read. But my vote is staying on him for now.
mala,
I'm to the point where I think just use the gladiator power on top scum read or whoever. Just to make sure the claim is legit if nothing else.
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Considering the deadline, I'd vote Ghatokaca if it comes to that.In post 2554, Mina wrote:My vote may change after rereading Osseus. But question: who here would consider voting Ghatokaca (aside from bazinga)?
if Malakittens uses her gladiator, it'll probably be on you. Still think it's a good idea?
Yes. Holding it this long gets suspicious.
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I'm a top candidate for being Gladiatored/Lynched, besides, I have to look after all these children.
Toasty. Once/If/Until I read through the whole game, I'm not that certain about my reads, etc. So I can be 'easily' persuaded atm.Mina wrote:But Ghatokaca only has a single vote on him, so if you're swinging toward a deadline lynch, he's one of the most unlikely targets. That's not why I asked. Also, isn't Ghatokaca one of your strongest townreads? Which, coincidentally, I asked you about in that post? I still want to know why you think they're town, and bazinga null. Is there anyone you WOULDN'T vote at deadline?In post 2556, Aronis wrote:Considering the deadline, I'd vote Ghatokaca if it comes to that.In post 2554, Mina wrote:My vote may change after rereading Osseus. But question: who here would consider voting Ghatokaca (aside from bazinga)?
if Malakittens uses her gladiator, it'll probably be on you. Still think it's a good idea?
Yes. Holding it this long gets suspicious.
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New reads:In post 2552, Aronis wrote:So I read through a decent amount of the game.
Reads for now,
LeanTown/Town,
Ghato, mina, Toasty
Null,
Ampersand, Bazinga, Medea
notscience,
Obviously reading him as scum, but I'm not that confident in that read. But my vote is staying on him for now.
mala,
I'm to the point where I think just use the gladiator power on top scum read or whoever. Just to make sure the claim is legit if nothing else.
Town,
Toasty.
Lean Town,
Ampersand, Bazinga, Mina.
Null,
notscience, Medea the Alien.
Lean Scum,
Ghatokaca.
Scum,
Malakittens.
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After reading more, notsci seems more town. He's actually posted helpful-ish content and doesn't appear to be that scummy compared to some.
Ampersand seems more town after reviewing the Osseus lynch, similiar with bazinga, but other stuff incorporates into that as well.
My read on Ghato was turned upside down after reading through more.
Medea, I can't really figure anything about them out, alignment wise.
mala is scum until I see the Gladiator power in action, even if it has to be used on this slot.
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I didn't plan on it, but I'm on spring break and have nothing to do, so why not?In post 2563, Medea the Alien wrote:I'd take explanations on any of Aronis's reads at this point. And also wondering how he went from not planning to read a 100 page game, to having read part of it to form reads, to not wanting to stand behind his reads until he's processed the whole game.
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After posting 2560, this post makes no sense. Why did you change your mind so fast? Or if you were already thinking about it, why did you freaking spam "Ampersand is town" a million times?In post 2564, Mina wrote:Would you consider an Ampersand wagon today, Medea?
(Uh...this would have been a better question if I hadn't already posted 2560. )
It's Aronis and I didn't notice that and really don't give a damn.In post 2565, Malakittens wrote:I'm really busy with work. I'm actually drowning due to it. I'm backed up on hw an 8 page paper on the Trojan war is due sat and a test and another assignment.
Maybe when I'm home ill get attention to this game but it depends on how distracted I get when writing.
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You know you're basically parroting Nacho right?
So I'm just really in the dark, So from what I can gather, you're a Neighborizer and have a neighborhood with whom in it? And Toasty is conf town and I have no idea how. And of course mala is the (fake-claimed)Gladiator.In post 2568, Medea the Alien wrote:...just a bit better, yes.In post 2564, Mina wrote:Would you consider an Ampersand wagon today, Medea?
(Uh...this would have been a better question if I hadn't already posted 2560. )
At this point I'm pretty sure I want Aronis for the lynch. So I don't want an Ampersand lynch today. If nothing else, I figure we can pull someone else into the QT tonight and get more content out of Ampersand that'll help in deciding things tomorrow. At that point, even if Aronis manages to flip town, there's guaranteed to be another town player in the neighborhood besides us by sheer numbers. I'm OK gathering more input, and given that a lot of Ampersand's case against us hinges on neighborhood interactions, having more viewpoints on that is to the good.
Ampersand, if you got what you wanted and we were dead so you could see our town alignment, what would your take on notscience be? In other words, ignoring your belief that no one could come up with a friendly neighbor theory without inside info, what's the meat of your case?
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I edited my reads list, FYI. and why are you just tunneling this slot? I'd assume, that their is at least one other scum, so why not at least try to find them?In post 2570, notscience wrote:For fucks sake
She holds her power because you all give her shit about and now you're all giving her even more shit about it
I've explained my townreads and PoE
Yet here comes Aronis with the most fucked up readslist in the game and none of you bat an eye
He conveniently left off the two people who have been rallying for his lynch, while acknowledging the upcoming deadline without either A) Pushing his vanity wagon or b) trying to consolidate votes.
^That is what scum does
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Just use it already.In post 2585, Malakittens wrote:to be fair:
I'd use it on Aronis, but I feel kinda bad after he just replaced in. I was hoping that if he was town he would show me some sort of towniness, but he's going after my biggest townread. Parroting Nacho basically and has an attitude.
Mina is kinda a scum read because I think if/when Aronis flips scum that she'll likely be the partner.
Amper is just meh.
I don't have a scum read on medeas or Bazinga/ns/toasty & Ghatty idk what to make of them.
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To confirm that she had it. It clears things up and now the town should have an 'easy' deadline lynch.In post 2593, Ampersand wrote:Aronis - why were you pushing for this to be used? Mala could have used it at any point in order to prove she has it. Why did you want it done so soon - especially when you are not even caught up with the game?In post 2586, Aronis wrote:Just use it already.
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You're a town read of most. hanzo. . . Not so much. And with 24 hours or so, I doubt there will be much hesitation.In post 2596, Malakittens wrote:'easy'?In post 2595, Aronis wrote:To confirm that she had it. It clears things up and now the town should have an 'easy' deadline lynch.In post 2593, Ampersand wrote:Aronis - why were you pushing for this to be used? Mala could have used it at any point in order to prove she has it. Why did you want it done so soon - especially when you are not even caught up with the game?In post 2586, Aronis wrote:Just use it already.
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Ha ha ha.In post 2608, notscience wrote:NACHO IF YOU TRY TO LYNCH MALA YOULL BE SWINGING INSTEAD OF ARONIS
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Claimed scum?In post 2633, Mina wrote:If I say what I'm waiting on, that defeats the purpose of waiting for it. (Also, this avatar would be better if the sea slug was on a different surface. Now it looks like a tattoo on an obese man's back. I didn't figure out that was a hand until Google.)
What's funny is that I was actually leaning toward a Mala vote (although I might not have done it out of guilt for her putting herself in that position through the gladiator power), mostly to clear up the Mala/Medea dichotomy. But Aronis claiming scum means that it's all moot!
I'm curious to know where you'll go with this (I don't think I've even flustered someone unintentionally this game), but I don'tIn post 2607, Ghatokaca wrote:Mina, a quick question, do you consider yourself capable of being "evil" when you are scum? It is just a point of interest for me. By evil, I mean, have you ever as scum, intentionally and subtly frustrated a townie so that they get flustered/angry and have their analysis discredited and make them come across as emotional and ignored?rememberdoing it. My hydra partners have done it before (MagnaofIllusion to singersigner inMight of Mordor, which I was against both for moral AND strategic reasons, and Faraday to Tammy inMarketplace Mafia III, which I was mostly neutral towardsbecause who cares about Tammy). I don't think I'm great at or enjoy active emotional manipulation in general (although sometimes I can predict how people will react to things)--my scum game is more theatre and strategy.
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Well thank you for the [useless] advice, maybe I'll talk to him about it sometime.In post 2635, Mina wrote:As per the posts I quoted where you just troll, Aronis. (I rate your trolling a D-, by the way. Ask Faraday how it's done. You should start making MS Paint drawings and fake cases on dead people.)
To be fair, although I guess Aronis is just trolling at this point since he's caught scum without a hope of escaping the lynch, there wasn't much reason to do this as scum, either. (I'd actually thought his complete indifference to his own survival just to test Mala's claim looked town at first.) But I see where you're heading with this.In post 2616, Ampersand wrote:Basically if Aronis is town it makes no sense to want to go 1v1 with another player, having only just joined the game and without seeming to have a strong opinion of who is scum and who is not (#2559), and when e seems to expect to be lynched as a result of it anyway (#2596).In post 2601, ToastyToast wrote:@Ampersand: Stop acting like pushing for it to be used is scummy. I want it done asap too, and I'm confirmed town.
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I guess you don't agree with me on Ampersand being town for those quotes? In that case, why did you switch your vote to Ghatokaca?In post 2621, bazinga wrote:scratch that, we have been hoping ghato or amper is the lynch today, and if u see our posts, u will see that we dont believe in a hanzo/aronis lynch throughout the majority of this game.
but in all this scrutiny, i am relieved that the power was used so if it's town it is not wasted. however, this puts us in a tough position between two players we have generally been townreading throughout the game
Also, it's better to waste a power than to use one that actively harms the town if both Malakittens and Aronis are town. But anyway, even without Aronis's scumclaim, there had to be at least one scum in {Malakittens, Aronis}. There can only be one scum in {Ghatokaca, Medea} (even leaving aside what I'd said on D2, Osseus's attempts to get us to lynch in that pool make no sense otherwise), and it's not Toasty, Ampersand, notscience, or you.
It would be hilarious if you guys missed the deadline.
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Aronis, who was the Nanny, <No abilities> aligned with Oz was lynchedHappy now, mina?
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Mala isn't my top choice for scum to say the least. More null, but it's her or me. I'll try to put together a case in a min.In post 2638, Ampersand wrote:I think you're underestimating the player reliability and activity levels in this game. I'm not saying it's good to deadline lynch, but I'm fairly confident we won't miss it.In post 2636, Aronis wrote:It would be hilarious if you guys missed the deadline.
If you genuinely think Mala is scum you're gonna need to provide some kind of evidence. Otherwise I'm inclined to think the same as Mina, that you're just given-up-scum trolling.
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Yes, I'll post about that in a min and I have readIn post 2640, Mina wrote:Um, although I feel significantly worse about Aronis post-gladiate than pre-gladiate, I...actually didn't think it was a scumclaim (well, I wasn't 100% sure last night, because he was being weird and unhelpful). I was just trying to get him to confess.
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In post 416, Ghatokaca wrote:I am focussing on Medea first. I think they are town. I'll develop reads on everyone else as we go along. Mala feels town. I don't have much else to back it up but Nacho's played with her a lot and between the two of us, we'll develop a solid read on her. As for her lack of paranoia, perhaps she is relieved that Penguin came to her defense, perhaps she sees what I see, or perhaps she doesn't want to open hostilities with someone she can work with so quickly in the game, or perhaps I am wrong and she is scum.
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In post 418, Ghatokaca wrote:I did consider the reasons Medea could do it as scum and found those nuances unlikely. The one explanation I can think of in the Mala-town scenario is if she wants to buddy with Mala and Cabd. I think it is much less likely than Penguin being town for the reasons I provided. With Mala, my read is less developed. Do you still believe Medea is scum in light of the analysis I provided?
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These series of posts, among others, had me reading them as town.In post 420, Ghatokaca wrote:You are generalizing the argument way too much while missing the specifics. I agree that there are benefits as scum to town-reading players. I explained why that it is unlikely inthisscenario.
Penguin starts off post 55 saying that Mala is as town as she has ever seen her. This is a strong confident read. There are no qualifications or footnotes. No worry about people questioning her confidence in light of having been burned before. Her push on BRO is also unrestrained with phrases like "please tell me you are joking BRO. You are better than that" and "Your Mala case is lousy." It is an attempt to see the side of someone she is familiar with while being incredulous of their opinion. It is a feeling of "I know you well and I want you to be town but seriously?" kind of thought process. I find it extremely genuine.
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I felt like he was trying to get towncred by suspecting osseus, if he was lynched and flipped scum, but didn't really want to lynch him unless it was a last resort. And blaming nacho's inactivity for things, just comes off as scummy to me.In post 2649, Ampersand wrote:Aronis - rather than quote-sniping, can you give more aboutwhythose things make you read them as town/scum?
What made you decide to replace into this game, knowing that it was already 100 pages? If you don't get lynched today, what would your approach be from now on?
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I really don't care. In hindsight I probably shouldn't have replaced in, but oh well.In post 2665, Mina wrote:I sincerely hope for your own sake that you're not town, Aronis. Because if you are, I will not be nice to you afterwards.
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You beat me to it. Prob for the better.In post 2675, bazinga wrote:Hope the "Ghato is a vt" was a scum slip, that's the only hope I see at the end of the tunnelIn post 1854, Hanzo_5 wrote:Can we got some more votes on ghato please. He is a VT. a lot of you think he is scum. We have a ml to use. lets use it please.
PEdit: Im more inclined to believe mina is town. I usually panic hammer on d1 as scum just to make sure we hit town. But Im really bad at scum so I doubt that anyone in this game will be doing that as scum besides me.
More ghatokaca votes please.
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No more last minute DL lynches.
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