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Don't like Toasty right now, look at all those scummy posts
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On a related note, I do recall Mina saying something on skype chat I believe about faking a guilty on herself, well before this game went into sign-ups (like last month) so I think her plan to do so is independent of this game.
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What? Why?In post 55, Medea the Alien wrote:I vaguely like that Hanzo_5 basically made two RVS votes. SNIP
What makes the hydra vote "safe"? He gave a serious sounding reason for his vote, and a bad one at that. That stance on hydrae, especially if it continues is going to draw attention.Mina wrote: SNIP
I almost voted Hanzo (the hydra vote was abysmal and safe, and I don't like how he disappeared when he did), but I'm giving a temporarynewbienever-heard-of-him pass that will last until page four. Everyone else who's posted aside from notscience and Osseus looks townish (ask and I'll explain why--kind of wavering on bazinga).
Man do I dislike votes without reasons. Talk to me. Is this your serious vote or your 'RVS'?Ampersand wrote:Vote: Mina
For future reference, all of our posts will be made jointly, which does mean we won't be posting during working hours.
On a related note, I do recall Mina saying something on skype chat I believe about faking a guilty on herself, well before this game went into sign-ups (like last month) so I think her plan to do so is independent of this game.
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Let's ignore the fact that there are 6 hydras for a moment. What does you not liking hydras have anything to do with lynching scum? You say "I don't like hydras I'm gonna vote for them heyyay!!!" What does that say about your goals in the game. Are you actually looking for scum? Or were you hoping you could parlay your "hate" of hydras into...REASONS?? What makes your reason so bad, actually so WRONG, is that a hydra slot has nothing to do with being scum. All the hydras were hydras well before they ever got their role PM. If your "hate" is not going to net us scum, then it has no place here.
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1) I just felt like it, no reason really. However, I'll get back to Toasty in a moment, working through things one at a time.In post 76, Mina wrote:SNIP
Osseus, why did you unvote ToastyToast when you did without moving to someone else? Thoughts on moving back to ToastyToast?
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I'm assuming this is T-Bone. Have you ever played with CES before?Man do I dislike votes without reasons. Talk to me. Is this your serious vote or your 'RVS'?
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2) I might have, if you want to say that he does those things that's fine. In general I find that too many players give votes without reasons, and it's not only bad, but it makes it easier for scum to make votes without reasons and get away with it.
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Re: Bolded. Ummm what? This is a meaningless statement. The rest of the post is also unhelpful. "So town can play this way...but also scum can too". Great, what did we learn? That scum and town can play in similar manners? I think we can safely say just about everyone knows this. So then this post boils down to typing a whole lot of words without saying anything. What insight am I, the prospective reader of this post, supposed to take from this?In post 78, ToastyToast wrote:SNIP
More times than not, the attitude both Mina and Chambers have had throughout their discussion would come from town. I'm really experienced too, and I know that there is no reason to put a target on your back early. Obviously scum CAN and DO play aggressively. Its a matter of how this aggression is presented. I see aggressive scum as hopping into an argument and starting shit, rather than creating one themselves.In post 70, Ghatokaca wrote: I dislike ToastyToast's 66. Toasty, if they are experienced players, would they not be comfortable putting themselves out there as scum?
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I am aware that this is a possibility.In post 74, Mina wrote:Also, ToastyToast, I'd TOTALLY put myself out this much as scum.But statistically speaking, its more town than scum.
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We don't need a point by point play by play thing. How about "I want to lynch Hanzos for X and Medea for Y"? That's simple enough to express.In post 100, Zdenek wrote:Maybe later.In post 99, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:For those of us without glasses, clear it up anyway please.
Do you really think that it's such a strange desire?
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ugh this game is fucking painful to read
I'm doing the hydra thing because I was hoping it would force me to improve because I'd have to talk stuff over before I posted, but all that translated to was me not posting because I wanted to do consensus shit so fuck that noise
so I'm down for lynching notscience, mala, and bazinga. chamber is impenetrable. mina is blindingly town. hanzo I'm leaning town on because of his hydra thing, I see that annoyance as coming from town rather than from scum.
I'm doing the hydra thing because I was hoping it would force me to improve because I'd have to talk stuff over before I posted, but all that translated to was me not posting because I wanted to do consensus shit so fuck that noise
so I'm down for lynching notscience, mala, and bazinga. chamber is impenetrable. mina is blindingly town. hanzo I'm leaning town on because of his hydra thing, I see that annoyance as coming from town rather than from scum.
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Still things I want to address (above was UT obvs, this is me)
Re: Your Zednek - So you see neither town nor scum motivation from Zednek's behavior? Great, what the fuck did we actually learn from your observation? Do you think he's being lazy town, or perhaps being scum who is taking time to come up with something at a later date? It's easy to post a quick read, much harder to fabricate I think.
Re - Bazinga - I just wanted to direct you back to this next time you post, because I agree, Bazinga made a big fuss over the use of the word 'bro' which served no purpose for town.
I saw UT posted some reads, I disagree on his notsci stance, this is notsci as town. He says Mala is an early game gutread. I'm a bit paranoid by the amount of people scumreading Mala, but I am content to follow UT right now. I can see Bazinga as scum, but I'm contesting that till I decide on Hanzo proper. If Hanzo is scum, Bazinga is town is my feeling. I'm leaning scum on Hanzo, he's leaning town, so we're leaving that alone for now. Additionally I'm wary of Zednek and Toasty, I think we agree on everything else.
Re: Me - I'm not "impressed" by 'I wanna lynch Bazinga as a last resort' thing. I take issue with you taking out of game bias to justify an in-game event. That is what made you so wrong on your vote. It's on thing to use your dislike of hydras to scrutinize them more. I can buy that. I can't buy into the idea that if you had nothing else you'd lynch a hydra just for being a hydra. That has no place coming from town.In post 170, Hanzo_5 wrote: SNIP
@Osseus pseudotripodis,Valid points. However, hate is not the appropriate word to use when attempting to illustrate my feelings on hydras. Additionally, while your emotional retailing of the thought process and reasoning by my vote can be viewed as entertaining, it does not impress me. I scumread subtle misrepresentations of character.
I agree that merely being a hydra does not translate into being scum. I did not say it did either. When i find someone scummy to vote for I will do that in the meantime I am fine with lynching Bazinga as a last resort. I do not like hydras because they can be confusing. I would have been more inclined to simply unvote but, Bazinga is not signing posts and imitating mollie's behavior.
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In post 100, Zdenek wrote:Maybe later.In post 99, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:For those of us without glasses, clear it up anyway please.
Do you really think that it's such a strange desire?I do not see any town motivation in refusing to provide reasoning on why you would like a competing wagon between two people. I dd not see much scum motivation in that either. It is decidedly anti-town.
@Zdenek,
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@Bazinga,It seems to me that your intent is to establish a read based on Chambers misinterpretation of the word bro and who it was aimed at. Is that your intent?
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Re: Your Zednek - So you see neither town nor scum motivation from Zednek's behavior? Great, what the fuck did we actually learn from your observation? Do you think he's being lazy town, or perhaps being scum who is taking time to come up with something at a later date? It's easy to post a quick read, much harder to fabricate I think.
Re - Bazinga - I just wanted to direct you back to this next time you post, because I agree, Bazinga made a big fuss over the use of the word 'bro' which served no purpose for town.
I saw UT posted some reads, I disagree on his notsci stance, this is notsci as town. He says Mala is an early game gutread. I'm a bit paranoid by the amount of people scumreading Mala, but I am content to follow UT right now. I can see Bazinga as scum, but I'm contesting that till I decide on Hanzo proper. If Hanzo is scum, Bazinga is town is my feeling. I'm leaning scum on Hanzo, he's leaning town, so we're leaving that alone for now. Additionally I'm wary of Zednek and Toasty, I think we agree on everything else.
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mina is this our first game together!??! squeeee I'm so excited for how underwhelmed you're going to be
our plan was to discuss things via skype but lolconflicting schedules hence why I just went rogue instead of continuing to wait around to confer with bonebone
I'm a bit confused as to why you think my list is random. I'm allowed to have gut reads yo. gut reads are my jam.
our plan was to discuss things via skype but lolconflicting schedules hence why I just went rogue instead of continuing to wait around to confer with bonebone
I'm a bit confused as to why you think my list is random. I'm allowed to have gut reads yo. gut reads are my jam.
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Actually we were discussing our reads at the time I started posting (he was on a bit before me tonight). I typed that because I anticipated someone going "hydra dissonance" if I didn't acknowledge he was posting as well. Basically it boils down to two things. A) We're the same slot, I should trust my partner to make good reads. B) If I were by myself I'd be voting Hanzo right now. Since Mala is a more likely lynch at this point, it is a more useful use of our vote. While we may disagree on some reads, and though it appears otherwise we're getting on the same page. If it helps you any this is only the 2nd time I've ever done a hydra, the first was two years ago, and the first time I did it was mostly me posting anyway (to the point where I replaced into my own slot as T-Bone), so it's a feeling out process for me right now (and probably UT too), trying to figure out how best to make this work. So if you have any suggestions on that front go for it. We're not so coordinated at the moment.
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Both posts were me (Bone). It should be obvious who posts what in this hydra.
But he said "well town does this a lot". But then in the same post said "oh but scum can do this too" That is some WIFOM right there. What's the point? That town is more likely? That maybe this is one of those cases where scum is doing this? What am I, the prospective reader am supposed to learn from that post? I didn't get any insight into his thought process here. I don't know if that means that you and chamber are strong town, weak town, scum, fish, etc.etc. It's the type of thing a player can post to pretend to be doing townie things, so I wanted him to follow up on that.
But he said "well town does this a lot". But then in the same post said "oh but scum can do this too" That is some WIFOM right there. What's the point? That town is more likely? That maybe this is one of those cases where scum is doing this? What am I, the prospective reader am supposed to learn from that post? I didn't get any insight into his thought process here. I don't know if that means that you and chamber are strong town, weak town, scum, fish, etc.etc. It's the type of thing a player can post to pretend to be doing townie things, so I wanted him to follow up on that.
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Re: Hanzo #346 - It didn't seem like an RVS vote to me, but alright.
I think it's more likely he sees a couple of votes on my wagon and decides to slide in and sneak his vote on the wagon. It's funny you should link Micro 252, and I'm sure Bro and the other 'metausers' will like it as I was town and Nacho was scum. I can buy Ghackota as scum based on the misrep alone.
@Bro, I don't have another hydra game in which I was town (and said game was 3 years ago). Nacho linked you a game in which I was town and played poorly, but if you're looking for "meta" sure, use it I guess. The essence of things I look for in scum are there. I don't put much stock into meta, it's not all that reliable, and its too easy for scum to do to pretend to scumhunt.
Too much meta talk, anyone want to talk to me about reads in THIS game?
Bert isn't scumhunting. I want to save this for posterity. I don't think either head of this hydra is actually scumhunting in the first place so...In post 352, bazinga wrote:SNIP
I'm not doing the scumhunting oriented posts, but my posts are easy to tell apart from Mollie's save the early impersonating posts in RVS.
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...wait...you're...you're actually serious about this? Then you have the AUDACITY to link to our last game together (where I was town and you weren't) where I come right into the game and among other things read ETL as scum for CHANGING VOTES WITHOUT REASONS. I can't speak for UT but you're funny trying to misrepresent my meta so hard. I'd be hard pressed to find any game where I am okay with people voting without reasons. Like you did in this post I quoted.In post 371, Ghatokaca wrote:SNIPThis doesn't seem like something that's characteristic coming from either of you.In post 63, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Man do I dislike votes without reasons.Talk to me. Is this your serious vote or your 'RVS'?
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I think it's more likely he sees a couple of votes on my wagon and decides to slide in and sneak his vote on the wagon. It's funny you should link Micro 252, and I'm sure Bro and the other 'metausers' will like it as I was town and Nacho was scum. I can buy Ghackota as scum based on the misrep alone.
@Bro, I don't have another hydra game in which I was town (and said game was 3 years ago). Nacho linked you a game in which I was town and played poorly, but if you're looking for "meta" sure, use it I guess. The essence of things I look for in scum are there. I don't put much stock into meta, it's not all that reliable, and its too easy for scum to do to pretend to scumhunt.
Too much meta talk, anyone want to talk to me about reads in THIS game?
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But Bro Here. I played a better game then in Micro 252, if it'll help you see the painfully obvious.
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You're cute.
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In post 431, Zdenek wrote:For clarity, I push Ghatokaca for reads, and F-16 writes:
In post 408, Ghatokaca wrote:Penguin attacking and defending people with reckless abandon here points massively in the direction of Medea being town.In post 419, Zdenek wrote:I am definitely not seeing the aggression from PA that you are seeing. What are you thinking of when you say that she is attacking and defending people with reckless abandon?This was a town read that was over-justified with bullshit.In post 420, Ghatokaca wrote:Her push on BRO is also unrestrained with phrases like "please tell me you are joking BRO. You are better than that" and "Your Mala case is lousy." It is an attempt to see the side of someone she is familiar with while being incredulous of their opinion. It is a feeling of "I know you well and I want you to be town but seriously?" kind of thought process. I find it extremely genuine.
To me, this boils down to a player hiding being meta-reads in order to try to look like they are scumhunting. Like, this is really bad. Terribly bad even. He's reading Medea as town but has nothing from THIS game to support it? This is an example of why I don't put much stock into meta-reads because it's really easy for scum to do some leg work for meta-reads to look like town, because so many players use meta-reads. F-16, independent of this game, do you believe that players in general don't change their behavior from game to game?In post 436, Ghatokaca wrote:Here's the problem I have with your play: you are not considering the possibility of Medea being town and me being right. You are assuming that one or both of us has to be scum and everything you do is geared toward "refuting" what I say as opposed to understanding my analysis. I'll give another chance to read my posts and figure it out on your own. If you genuinely misunderstood it, I'll re-explain it for you.
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#1 - Ummm no we were pretty much out of RVS when people started reacting to Mina's fakeclaim and Hanzo's vote. It's nice that you can pull a quote without understanding the context. It's also nice that I have a 'stick up my ass' over a single question, that pretty much never got addressed. Did I continue to press Ampersand over that vote? No.Ghatokaca wrote:SNIP
As for Osseus:
It was page 1, or page 2 when this comment was made, and it was an expression of dislike for an unexplained vote in the RVS. Neither T-Bone or UT are the types of players to get sticks up their asses this early, and I feel like T-Bone is the player that doesn't quite sound like himself when he's posting as scum.In post 63, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Man do I dislike votes without reasons. Talk to me. Is this your serious vote or your 'RVS'?
His interactions with Hanzo/Toasty also feel like empty interactions with mislynches that he's just warming up; he individually went after them both pretty hard, but didn't actually end up pursuing either.
SNIPWhy does this matter?In post 394, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Then you have the AUDACITY to link to our last game together (where I was town and you weren't)
That was because she switched from a strong primary suspect to a different person for absolutely no reason.In post 394, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:where I come right into the game and among other things read ETL as scum for CHANGING VOTES WITHOUT REASONS.
It's a bit different than a naked vote on page 2, don't you think?
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#2 - You're really good at pulling out individual quotes out of context. It's funny how you break up the entire statement into two quotes. I don't understand what makes you think these two situations are different. Because the set-up is different? The principle of what's going on (votes without reasons/change in votes without reasons) is still the same, yet you're fixating on this as if I've never done anything like this before.
This is interesting though.
So for those playing at home, if I'm reading this correctly, as town she has a tendency to lurk and miss the early game, so as scum she can emulate that town behavior BUT instead she's being aggressive instead of her normal town behavior, and that makes her town because of it? Because you expect scumPA to emulate her lurking town meta? I don't see how her being aggressive this game has ANYTHING to do with her typically being a passive lurker. Why does it matter if she normally lurks as town, if she's not lurking this game? Doesn't that make her scum then? Instead you argue that since she isn't lurking she isn't scum? What does one have to do with the other.As town, penguin is one of those people that I default mislynch when I'm scum against her because she has the tendency to lurk so incredibly hard and miss out on early game when people are forming their all-important first impressions. She is eloquent, doesn't mind making big posts, though, so the way that she normally coasts as scum is by avoiding stepping on too many toes early game, lurk to mid game, and then post more regularly when major threats are dead and she's kept around because she's a major voice of reason. This penguin isn't that penguin. I realize there's not as many outward examples of aggression in her posts as there would be other people, but penguin's not an aggressive player. The fact that there are so many signs that she's trying to figure people out is a pretty great one, especially who she's hydraing with: if they were scum, Cabd would happily take the lead and no one would really question it because penguin's a lurker. But penguin very distinctly took the lead here and is guiding the game forward in a way I haven't seen her do in many town games, let alone a scum one.
It's interesting because what I was getting from F-16 is that he doesn't expect PA's behavior to change. He expects a certain aggression coming from a townPA, and Nacho expects PA to lurk as town so she could emulate this behavior as scum. It doesn't make sense, and I don't think this slot believes their own argument. Someone other than Ghatokaca tell me if they are seeing something different from what I have described. The slot looks so inconsistent in the read Zednek and F-16 just spent a page arguing about. Plus I feel Nacho is completely misrepresenting what's going on with me.
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Like what?In post 405, BROseidon wrote:SNIP
I'm not looking for meta; there's something else I want to look at.
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Seriously guys? How about you give me (Bone) a chance to finish with my RL stuff and get into this game again? We're not 'lurking' cause we're scum, we're 'lurking' because of some issues I have had over the past week or so. Last week was hell for me, but I'll be better after today. Don't be stupid and let scum trick you into a "compromise" lynch on a obvious town player who fell off the face of the earth for awhile. What information to you get when we flip town? You will get nothing, because this is a lazy scum-led lynch. You should be looking at Ghakota and shit.
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VTIn post 942, chamber wrote:Deadline is in a little over a day if you missed that? So that's not happening. You are just going to get lynched. Claim while you are around, maybe that saves you.In post 939, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Seriously guys? How about you give me (Bone) a chance to finish with my RL stuff and get into this game again? We're not 'lurking' cause we're scum, we're 'lurking' because of some issues I have had over the past week or so. Last week was hell for me, but I'll be better after today. Don't be stupid and let scum trick you into a "compromise" lynch on a obvious town player who fell off the face of the earth for awhile. What information to you get when we flip town? You will get nothing, because this is a lazy scum-led lynch. You should be looking at Ghakota and shit.
Bullshit. It's fucking lazy. I have handed you scum on a sliver fucking platter, it shouldn't matter that I haven't posted in a week, that has no bearing on our alignment or this game. I nailed them over a week ago! To the fucking wall so much that their buddy Bazinga was bussing them for a short period of time.
F-16 posts fake meta reads, and Nacho misrepresents shit. Check-fucking-mate. This is a lazy mislynch otherwise. You want to lynch a pro-town player who has been a bit absent rather than a scummy player who's been here rubbing it in everyone's face? Terrible. I PROMISE Ghakota will flip scum 1000%. I can read Nacho like the back of my hand. When he is scum, he looks to discredit players and misrepresent their play. It's not my fault if you want to keep scum around, it's YOUR fault.
I got shit to do, so if you're going to make a bad decision and pass up Ghakota who has practically CLAIMED scum in this thread with their play, don't leave me in suspense. I laid it out there why he's scum. They already showed their hand and a week of missed game time doesn't change that.
If you don't choose to lynch us, I'll demonstrate why Bazinga is their scumbuddy at a later time. For real, outside of the game, I am working on my graduate school work. My classes are six weeks long, so every six weeks I'm unavailable to really sink my teeth in a game. It's a fairly predictable thing that is outside the scope of this game, and has nothing to do with our alignment, so if you're letting anyone argue that we're lurking scum, chances are they are scum going for the easy mislynch.
I don't mean to flip out, it's a combination of stress and then seeing that we're about to be lynched even though there is a solid lynch that should have gone through right now. I apologize for flipping out, but things needed to be said regardless. You need to lynch Ghakota tomorrow, no questions asked when you mislynch us today.
This is Bone signing off.
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@Mina
I only really see two questions you had for me. I'll try to give you something to work with I guess? Sorry I missed them, I'm really unlikely to catch it when you expect me to read a novel every time I open the thread. I'm not going to apologize for that. It's kind of on you to be accessible if you want people to interact with you.
regarding mala... it was a gut read? I tend to do really well catching scum via RVS interactions and Mala was my RVS read. It's all gut babe. I thought I was pretty clear about that earlier.
I only really see two questions you had for me. I'll try to give you something to work with I guess? Sorry I missed them, I'm really unlikely to catch it when you expect me to read a novel every time I open the thread. I'm not going to apologize for that. It's kind of on you to be accessible if you want people to interact with you.
regarding mala... it was a gut read? I tend to do really well catching scum via RVS interactions and Mala was my RVS read. It's all gut babe. I thought I was pretty clear about that earlier.
I think people are voting for Bro because he's being standoffish and unhelpful. I don't think this is scum for him, because imo he's more of an in-your-face scum player. this looks like someone who (like me, actually) sees pages of quotestriping and their eyes glaze over.In post 702, Mina wrote:Really? I think that BROseidon is playing quite poorly if he's town in this particular game. But since when is BRO a policy-lynch worthy player? Considering you moddedIn post 329, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:well my #1 argument is that I don't think he's scum and he'd be a terrible let's-get-rid-of-a-shitty-player-lynch
what's your argument for not voting mala?Anything Goes, this opinion is pretty off, UT.
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also this is adorable. did calling out your wall obfuscation annoy you :3In post 890, ToastyToast wrote:In post 868, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:are yall bitches chinese, you're obsessed with walls love our ghat voteIn post 869, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:oh and the only thing I've read in the last ~10 pages that was important was BRO towntelling like a bossYeah so this thing should probably get lynchedIn post 881, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:no u
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Brother Frexspar the GodlyIn post 955, Mina wrote:Just VT and no flavour?
Did anyone else notice that Toasty's top scum reads were the leading two wagons? upon reread, I find myself agreeing with you that his vote was even worse than Zdenek's. in fact, the voices pushing for the day 1 hey-let's-lynch-a-lurker-lynch probably contain one scum (chamber, zdenek, toasty). that wagon was just sort of hanging out with a couple of votes for a long time. chamber is probably the least likely of the group to be scum, imo, because he didn't have a lot to lose by sticking with it.
willing to compromise on one of ghat's buddies today since apparently yall are so mesmerised by walls that him posting some stupid fucking reads list is enough to get you to stop seeing the scumminess staring you in the face
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do you wanna do a Toasty lynch? look deep within your heart. we can do this right now.
when you read his posts you hear that little voice in your head that says he's scum but you're afraid people won't let you call him on his bullshit. I am that voice. he's trying to push a mislynch for reasons that have nothing to do with the game. don't let this slide.
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do you wanna do a Toasty lynch? look deep within your heart. we can do this right now.
when you read his posts you hear that little voice in your head that says he's scum but you're afraid people won't let you call him on his bullshit. I am that voice. he's trying to push a mislynch for reasons that have nothing to do with the game. don't let this slide.
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Do you want to do Toasty then? Hanzo will do it, we'll do it, choo-choo. If ya'll are afraid to nail Ghatkota to the wall today we can do it tomorrow no big deal. Caught scum is still caught scum even if the smell stews in the air for a day. Toasty is caught scum too it's not even funny. (It's hilarious!) I think we could get the required votes for this if we wanted to.
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In post 1020, chamber wrote:You need to claim your person from the play.
In post 969, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Brother Frexspar the GodlyIn post 955, Mina wrote:Just VT and no flavour?
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and chamber you're being a buzzkill right now
this was supposed to be Mina's moment and you've ruined it
she was undertaking a JOURNEY dude. don't you care about her ARC
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holy fuck you need to learn when to not defend your buddy. he's gonna flip scum soon and boy will there be egg on your face
this was supposed to be Mina's moment and you've ruined it
she was undertaking a JOURNEY dude. don't you care about her ARC
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holy fuck you need to learn when to not defend your buddy. he's gonna flip scum soon and boy will there be egg on your face
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How about that time when you called me scum by telling everyone "It is uncharacteristic of Bone to dislike votes without reasons." How about the time you pulled some of my quotes out of contexts to paint a picture of lies? How about the time you linked to Micro 252 to prove that it's uncharacteristic of me to dislike votes without reasons when the game shows the exact opposite of this. One post #447 explains it all. Yes my reads were established two weeks ago, but literally nothing about Ghat's play has changed these reads, because both players continue to do what they do. It's funny that Nacho suddenly doubles down on us being scum when F-16 had moved us out of the scum category for now. Dat scum panic.
For those wavering on this, what more do you want? What about Ghat's play has changed in the week I missed that makes him town? I feel like F-16s sincerity in the face of being lynched is holding this back. But that has nothing to do with what's going on here.
For those wavering on this, what more do you want? What about Ghat's play has changed in the week I missed that makes him town? I feel like F-16s sincerity in the face of being lynched is holding this back. But that has nothing to do with what's going on here.
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bitch PLEASE ghat we've been on you since this VC
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5669090
don't even try to act like you can rewrite history on day 1.
@medea it should be absolutely EMBARRASSING to you how easy it is to sway you by posting lots of words. ghat's reads posts were pathetic and this shit at the end of the day is a naked attempt to kick up dust right before the chair gets kicked out from under him
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5669090
don't even try to act like you can rewrite history on day 1.
@medea it should be absolutely EMBARRASSING to you how easy it is to sway you by posting lots of words. ghat's reads posts were pathetic and this shit at the end of the day is a naked attempt to kick up dust right before the chair gets kicked out from under him
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that doesn't even make sense?
all I'm saying is actually *read* his posts rather than talk about how you'd expect a hydra with him in it might act. those of us who are actually reading instead of saying "WELL I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SCUM COULD HAVE WRITTEN ALL THOSE WORDS" have realized that his reads are contrived horseshit
all I'm saying is actually *read* his posts rather than talk about how you'd expect a hydra with him in it might act. those of us who are actually reading instead of saying "WELL I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SCUM COULD HAVE WRITTEN ALL THOSE WORDS" have realized that his reads are contrived horseshit
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We believe all the scum are right here (and they are). I know that doesn't eliminate much, but it might as well confirm Chamber and Hanzo as town to us. With how difficult it was to lynch Ghat, cause seriously he sat at L-1 for the looooongest time, that really re-enforces the fact that he is scum. There's no way town Ghat survives that lynch over a claimed-Vig. He had help in avoiding that lynch, and it's among these players in red. Now, we decided that we're not going to flood the thread arguing for the lynch. Literally nothing has changed for Ghat to even move one inch down the scumeter. To give a brief recap for those playing at home, Ghat is scum because A) F-16head does meta dives to pretend to be town. His meta dives do not supplement his scumreading, they replace it. If you're a town player meta diving, you use that to supplement what's going on in this game, something F-16 did not do. Thus he's faking it. B) Nachohead misrepresents shit. Enough said. C) And as mentioned above, town-Ghat does not survive that end of day blitz. He had help from his scumbuddies. So if and when we want to do the right thing, let us know and we'll lynch Ghat in a heartbeat. Does this sound arrogant? Sure. I realize that UT and I are being a little over the top here, but I think it's necessary to get our point across.Broseidon(7)a Ampersand, malakittens, Medea the alien, notsicence, ghatokaca, bazinga, mina
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There are still seven other players that need to be sorted. My feeling yesterday before the deadline debacle was Toasty, but he was not present for it, so he could not be responsible for switching the lynch over to BRO at the last minute. Our feeling is that BRO's lynch was in no way town driven and that cannot be overstated. Even ignoring the fact that Ghat is in the game for a moment, he claimed Vig, claimed players he was likely to shoot, and still got lynched. That's scum afraid of letting him loose at night.
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here's my comment:
I believe your claim because why would you fakeclaim a publicly used ability? town gladiators are a lot more likely than scum gladiators, so just playing the odds I'd say it's more likely you're town based on your claim. regarding the question of whether or not it makes sense with a JOAT with no confirmed abilities... I mean... do I even need to say anything?
I believe your claim because why would you fakeclaim a publicly used ability? town gladiators are a lot more likely than scum gladiators, so just playing the odds I'd say it's more likely you're town based on your claim. regarding the question of whether or not it makes sense with a JOAT with no confirmed abilities... I mean... do I even need to say anything?
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@Mala - I (Bone) didn't comment because claims don't mean much in terms of alignment. With that said I've never seen a gladiator in a game before now and only have a passing familiarity with the role because it was a recent addition to the Greater Idea role list.
@ Hanzo - Two reasons. 1. Laziness. It is lazy to read us as scum because we have had long periods of inactivity between posting. 2. We're being very hyperbolic and it's easy to call that behavior as scum. I'm a bit biased from my perspective, but I feel its very easy to call us scum without having to do any work. Like NS is doing for example. I think our reads and scumhunting is sound regardless.
@ Chamber - Elaborate why you've dropped Ghat from your scum list? What does the kill have to do with their alignment?
@ Toasty - It's because of what the wagons were at the end of the day, and who the lynch was on eventually. If Ghat is scum, which I strongly think he is, sitting at L-1 for the longest time, I think scum have to be off the wagon for the day to play out the way it did. You said it yourself you left believing the lynch was us vs. them, and it swings to the claimed Vig instead? It looked like for awhile Ghat was going to be the day's lynch and in the last couple of hours that gets turned around. I don't think it gets turned around without the full force of the entire scumteam.
@ Hanzo - Two reasons. 1. Laziness. It is lazy to read us as scum because we have had long periods of inactivity between posting. 2. We're being very hyperbolic and it's easy to call that behavior as scum. I'm a bit biased from my perspective, but I feel its very easy to call us scum without having to do any work. Like NS is doing for example. I think our reads and scumhunting is sound regardless.
@ Chamber - Elaborate why you've dropped Ghat from your scum list? What does the kill have to do with their alignment?
@ Toasty - It's because of what the wagons were at the end of the day, and who the lynch was on eventually. If Ghat is scum, which I strongly think he is, sitting at L-1 for the longest time, I think scum have to be off the wagon for the day to play out the way it did. You said it yourself you left believing the lynch was us vs. them, and it swings to the claimed Vig instead? It looked like for awhile Ghat was going to be the day's lynch and in the last couple of hours that gets turned around. I don't think it gets turned around without the full force of the entire scumteam.
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Well I mean let's break it down real quick.In post 1517, ToastyToast wrote:@bazinga: ghat and medea still. I need to reread the bro lynch debacle to figure out whose wagon hop was the scummiest.
@Osseus: fair enough. However I think the later votes (like Mina's) are actually way less suspicious because they were votes for the sake of voting (ie SOMEONE needed to get lynched, and SOMEONE had to be the last on the wagon; if I were present I would've hammered ghat over bro, but that is obviously hindsight and I can't expect all town to make the same decision)
Ampersand - Parked his vote on Bro a week before the scramble and it just sat there....despite them not really mentioning why...go ISO them and then Ctrl+F for Bro. This slot doesn't really mention Bro, just have their vote parked there. Like this might sound crazy, but if they were scum, was that the plan all along? To turn things around on Bro at the last minute? The vote was already there, with pretty much no support of it...I mean Ampersand calls several players scum and Bro isn't one of them.
Mala - Reads Bro as scum early and often, nothing really suspect about it. Her vote is also parked for a week before deadline, but unlike Ampersand she's actually calling Bro scum.
Medea - This is the slot that really started the Bro wagon with just about 7 hours till deadline. At that point it was still Ossy vs. Ghat, with Ghat looking like they'd be lynched. Honestly I could probably link this slot to Ghat as scum together. If there was a plan to turn the vote around on the claimed Vig, this is the player that started it.
Notsci - Sheeping Mala pretty much. Also calls me scum several times during Day 1 despite just posting about "didn't call you scum". You're not really going to make me quote you just to prove you wrong? Are we scum or not? Because you were really sure we were for a good portion of Day 1. In regards to the vote however, he says Mala is his strongest townread, and I know notsci has a tendency of sheeping townreads, so it doesn't say much about his alignment one way or another.
Ghat - Self-preservation vote and obviously one of the scum on the wagon. Moving on.
Bazinga and Mina - Putting them together because they both pretty much waffled through deadline on the lynches, and I need to dig a bit deeper here. I was reading Bazinga as scum early Day 1 so their waffling at the end might have been to protect Ghat. They said they might have hammer Ghat but we'll never know. Mina is interesting to me here, but in the same position with essentially the deciding vote, I don't know that I'd act much differently here. I think I would have waivered privately instead of in-thread for the world to see.
Onto the matter at hand, I think Medea is the player that is most responsible for the sudden turn around from Ghat at nearly L-1 to a BRO lynch. He honestly looks the worst followed by Ampersand and Bazinga. I could buy those three as a scumteam, and it's something I am going to explore.
PreEdit: @ bazinga, as you can see, I feel like Medea is the pivotal force behind the Bro-wagon and I'm addressing my thoughts on the wagon in this post. I'm not suggesting that the lynch is bad like Hanzo is (lynches are not inherently bad), it was bad in the sense that Ghat was the better lynch I feel. But the way this Bro lynch happened is unique, I've never seen anything like it in a game I've played before, so there are things to learn from it and I won't stop.
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I ain't trying to sweep shit
how about the fact that I was right about his alignment and no one fuckin listened to me and stupidly moved an L-1 wagon off of Ghatscum to lynch him. that wagon looks incredibly scum driven from my perspective and you're trying to ignore that. this is how we find scum, friend.
how about the fact that I was right about his alignment and no one fuckin listened to me and stupidly moved an L-1 wagon off of Ghatscum to lynch him. that wagon looks incredibly scum driven from my perspective and you're trying to ignore that. this is how we find scum, friend.
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Well what do you think about Amper 'being quick to bus a buddy'? That vote was parked there for more than a week, and look at their ISO. I'm not crazy when I say that they don't mention Bro AT ALL right? Like they call a few slots scum, and other than their vote, Bro wasn't really one of them. The fact that they were already ON the wagon that got the last minute swing away from Ghat feels off to me. Say what you will about Bro, when I had like 5 votes and Ghat had like 5 or something, I didn't see that happening.
You said you have to coax Medea on a lynch they wanted anyway. What do you feel about that? I made that other post essentially by going through everyone's ISO and finding their last Bro vote. I didn't look in context because it was just a quick way for me to break down the wagon. So in context you were coaxing them on the lynch and...?
You said you have to coax Medea on a lynch they wanted anyway. What do you feel about that? I made that other post essentially by going through everyone's ISO and finding their last Bro vote. I didn't look in context because it was just a quick way for me to break down the wagon. So in context you were coaxing them on the lynch and...?
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Also what in the fuck is this? Discrediting Bro's reads because he got lynched?In post 1423, Medea the Alien wrote:Oh, brilliant, you're going to sheep the guy who intentionally played to his scum meta and couldn't even claim properly when run up as a result of said scummy play. Which, you have no idea how annoyed I am that he opted to play that way. And interesting that you're willing to skip through his list like that. Of course, by 'interesting' I mean 'illogical' but choose your own adjective. So many nice ones. Imbecilic. Inane. Idiotic. Need I go on?
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1) Waffling is null at best. Do this better.In post 1535, Ghatokaca wrote:I am really busy right now but I'll probably be freer tonight in about 9 hours. A couple of things I want to address:
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2) This is valid I suppose.
3) Meh.
4) If both wagons were town Ghat would have been lynched after sitting at L-1 for the longest time.
5) Why does Mala need to use her ability?
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what the fuckin FUCK is this gamestate
we had ghatscum at L-1 and now we're moving away from it AGAIN
the FUCK guys. this shit is fuckin scum driven. they're driving the wagon off their caught buddy so he must be PRETTY FUCKIN SPECIAL for them to be moving this publicly
that lynch will give us some information guys I'll tell you that much
we had ghatscum at L-1 and now we're moving away from it AGAIN
the FUCK guys. this shit is fuckin scum driven. they're driving the wagon off their caught buddy so he must be PRETTY FUCKIN SPECIAL for them to be moving this publicly
that lynch will give us some information guys I'll tell you that much
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I think every game I've ever played in Nacho was in it, so it's like sure, I can read Nacho well enough in my opinion. As for the case, I've demonstrated and others have demonstrated already why he's scummy IN THIS GAME, so I don't know what you're on about there. They fabricate their reads with meta dives that then they don't make relevant to THIS game. That's doing work for the sake of doing work. They like to misrepresent what's going on, and I pointed to a specific example on Day 1. They keep getting rung up to L-1 and then the lynch swings in another direction. That DOESN'T happen to town. With the amount of pressure on that slot, and the love everyone has for the Nachohead, if they were town scum would have taken that mislynch in a heartbeat. Scum do not let town get to L-1 multiple times and then allow the lynch to swing elsewhere. Is it possible that scum let that happen? Sure, just as it's possible someone in this game will win the lottery. This game is about taking what's going on, deciding whether what's going on is coming from a pro-town or pro-scum perspective, and acting accordingly. UT and I are acting accordingly.In post 1706, Mina wrote:SNIP
Hey, Osseus, you never explained why you can "read Nacho like the back of your hand." Come to think of it, I don't think that you ever explained why Ghatokaca is so scummyin this game. (Most of the scummy aspects of their play are more burden-of-proficiency arguments.) And whatever happened to your Mala, bazinga, and notscience scum reads?
Now Medea claimed Neighborizer right? And they neighborized Ghat right? Let's ignore the fact that we're supposed to believe that Ghat is such a bastion of townieness that town would neighborize them. One if not both Ghat and Medea are scum based on this claim. I think the only way Ghat gets to be town this game is if Medea flips Scum Neighborizer. Because scum is not going to waste a neighborization on their scum partner. If however Medea flips a non-neighborizer but still scum, then that points to both of them being scum together and Medea making a risky ploy to save his scumbuddy. If Medea is in fact town, well then they decided to become neighbors with scum. Hooray for them I guess.
For me, Medea is the only other option for a lynch today as they've done quite a bit to link themselves to Ghat.
Going back to Mina for a moment, as to what happened to our other reads, we don't think those players are the best lynch candidates and are off the table today. I think Mala's claim doesn't say anything to her alignment, and I'm not worried about her right now. She has to use her ability at some point, and I think when, how, and who she uses it on will say everything about her alignment. Bazinga frustrates me with how all over the place the slot is, but last I checked we agreed on some key reads (Ghat, Medea), and knowing Mollie if they were scum I expect them to put more effort into discrediting other player's and their reads. Their tendency to discredit other philosophies (re: Chamber on
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@Mina - I did not, did you lose that post in the crash? Like I said I see them being scum together if Medea flips a non-neighborizer Scum. I think the point I was trying to make is that they are linked, one of them has to be scum. In light of Chamber's comment, I suspect Ghat is still the scum member of this pairing. Based on how the game has gone I don't see a town/town pairing at all.
@Chamber, I don't think we'll consider Bazinga today. I'm not ruling them out for a future day, but I feel much more confident that a Medea or especially a Ghat lynch will net us scum one way or another based on everything that has happened in this game. Medea being a neighborizer changes things only slightly in that they likely would be town in a Ghat scum flip. What would it take you make you seriously consider either of them again?
@Chamber, I don't think we'll consider Bazinga today. I'm not ruling them out for a future day, but I feel much more confident that a Medea or especially a Ghat lynch will net us scum one way or another based on everything that has happened in this game. Medea being a neighborizer changes things only slightly in that they likely would be town in a Ghat scum flip. What would it take you make you seriously consider either of them again?
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I don't rightly care why you were town in other games or whatever you tried to prove by linking a bunch of games. THIS game is what matters. I think townblocs are not good, you and others disagree, that's fine, no big deal. This is a strategy that I feel is scummy. Why does it make you town?In post 1750, notscience wrote:SNIP
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I'm not going to debate merits on different strategies here. I don't put much stock into relying on meta either, but people do it anyway so the point is? I'm not interested in what anyone's strategy is, scum and town can and do use the same strategies. It's how you use it that matters and that's what I'm looking for, I think I've been fairly consistent on this point. Have I not been harping on F-16 not for using meta in general, but in the manner he has been using it? If NS townhunts that's fine, I'm not interested in what he's doing or even why he's doing it, I'm interested how he's doing it. I'm interested in HOW any of you go about your business because that's my strategy.
Now let's get back to you voting scum instead of Chamber please. Either he's going to replace out or not, either way that slot isn't getting lynched today.
Now let's get back to you voting scum instead of Chamber please. Either he's going to replace out or not, either way that slot isn't getting lynched today.
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In post 1827, Katsuki wrote:I want to hammer so badly but not feeling it right now :/
In post 1882, Katsuki wrote:FUCKING CHRIST
FOR ONCE IM NOT LAZY ENOUGH TO GO AND LOOK THROUGH A COMPLETED GAME
ONLY TO FIND ALL THE POSTS GONE DUE TO TIGERS
BUT FUCK
MINAS REACTION REMINDS ME OF THAT GAME BUT I CANT CHECK
Either way she giggled this game don't get innocent mina feels (well, as innocent as mina can be anyways)
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Kasuki was threatening to hammer and we wanted to wait till the posts lost in the mini-crash were restored.In post 1890, Hanzo_5 wrote:Osseus and Ampersand you two can do this, You can hammer.
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Mala kittens voting for me and knowing it isnt going to go anywhere is the exact same thing as unvoting and holding your vote can you please stop derailing the ghato lynch I dont want to start scum reading you again. Not while the lynch embargo crew is up and running. Because that wouldnt go anywhere.
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@ Mina
A) Well Kat's in Chamber's slot who gets to be pseudoconfirmed to me today, so what has Kat actually done today? The answer is nothing. Kat has done nothing to indicate his/her alignment. At this point it's more helpful to base your read on the slot on Chamber. We're not willing to lynch the slot today when there are better options.
B) You're ridiculous. You think a town slot continually gets to L-1 and doesn't get lynched? My unvote notwithstanding, I have NEVER seen that happen before. I'm supposed to draw the conclusion that a slot I think is scum that cannot get lynched is likely to be town? PLEASE. It's harder to lynch scum than town, whether you agree with my premise or not, it's not hard to follow along. How is that hypocritical? Because I unvoted to wait for some restored posts? Barring something crazy our vote is going right back on the slot when the posts are restored or we all give up on waiting for the restored posts. They may as well be at L-1 right now.
C) Backpedal? Excuse me? What does one have to do with the other? I find townblocing a to be a scummy strategy because it's the type of strategy that's easy for scum to get away with doing themselves, or it's a strategy that allows whoever is in the bloc to be ignored. How is it scummy in this case? Because notsci implied (and continues to imply) that he will only lynch players outside the townbloc and stop considering those he lets into the townbloc as scum. Do you think this is a legitimate mindset town should have? Notsci may be confident in his BS "I'll vote myself if I let scum into the townbloc", but I'm not. I understand that players will use this strategy as town even if I think it's a dumb, shortsided, and scummy one. So I could argue with players to stop using bad strategies (an argument I will not win), or I can watch them use these bad strategies. Maybe Notsci is town and has good intentions. I recognize that other players will use strategies that I don't agree with. Using a scummy strategy doesn't necessarily make you scum.
I play with certain expectations. I expect that it's more difficult to lynch scum than town. Look how relatively easy it was to lynch Bro at the end of Day 1 as opposed to Ghat. Medea neighborized Ghat, I expect them to be opposite alignments. If Medea were to get lynched today and flip scum neighborizer, then I think that points to Ghat town. Likewise if we were to lynch Ghat and he flips scum, Medea is probably town, as a scum neighborizer is not going to waste his action on a scumbuddy.
A) Well Kat's in Chamber's slot who gets to be pseudoconfirmed to me today, so what has Kat actually done today? The answer is nothing. Kat has done nothing to indicate his/her alignment. At this point it's more helpful to base your read on the slot on Chamber. We're not willing to lynch the slot today when there are better options.
B) You're ridiculous. You think a town slot continually gets to L-1 and doesn't get lynched? My unvote notwithstanding, I have NEVER seen that happen before. I'm supposed to draw the conclusion that a slot I think is scum that cannot get lynched is likely to be town? PLEASE. It's harder to lynch scum than town, whether you agree with my premise or not, it's not hard to follow along. How is that hypocritical? Because I unvoted to wait for some restored posts? Barring something crazy our vote is going right back on the slot when the posts are restored or we all give up on waiting for the restored posts. They may as well be at L-1 right now.
C) Backpedal? Excuse me? What does one have to do with the other? I find townblocing a to be a scummy strategy because it's the type of strategy that's easy for scum to get away with doing themselves, or it's a strategy that allows whoever is in the bloc to be ignored. How is it scummy in this case? Because notsci implied (and continues to imply) that he will only lynch players outside the townbloc and stop considering those he lets into the townbloc as scum. Do you think this is a legitimate mindset town should have? Notsci may be confident in his BS "I'll vote myself if I let scum into the townbloc", but I'm not. I understand that players will use this strategy as town even if I think it's a dumb, shortsided, and scummy one. So I could argue with players to stop using bad strategies (an argument I will not win), or I can watch them use these bad strategies. Maybe Notsci is town and has good intentions. I recognize that other players will use strategies that I don't agree with. Using a scummy strategy doesn't necessarily make you scum.
I play with certain expectations. I expect that it's more difficult to lynch scum than town. Look how relatively easy it was to lynch Bro at the end of Day 1 as opposed to Ghat. Medea neighborized Ghat, I expect them to be opposite alignments. If Medea were to get lynched today and flip scum neighborizer, then I think that points to Ghat town. Likewise if we were to lynch Ghat and he flips scum, Medea is probably town, as a scum neighborizer is not going to waste his action on a scumbuddy.
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I've literally never seen katsuki give this much of a shit about game. everything I know is wrong
in other news we will compromise for Toasty. I dunno if I agree with bazinga about Ampersand, but that slowwwwwwwwwww creaky 2 day warmup to vote us from Ampersand is lulzy as fuck. was really expecting them to actually put effort into the read instead of IIOA but what can you do
still wish that ghat lynch was happening but he'll still be scum tomorrow so
in other news we will compromise for Toasty. I dunno if I agree with bazinga about Ampersand, but that slowwwwwwwwwww creaky 2 day warmup to vote us from Ampersand is lulzy as fuck. was really expecting them to actually put effort into the read instead of IIOA but what can you do
still wish that ghat lynch was happening but he'll still be scum tomorrow so
unvote vote toasty
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Okay I got to usurp my slots' vote because I don't know what the fuck UT was doing. I'm not available to play in the beginning of the week, so hooray for hydra dissonance................
Let's stop this bullshit where we do a last minute OP wagon again please. We've been town the entire day phase, don't let the scumiest players in the game (Ghat, Medea, Amper) lead you to ANOTHER mislynch. I hate that I have to miss several days of posting, gametime, and talking with my partner, but it is what it is. I'm not letting you guys take advantage of it though.
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Let's stop this bullshit where we do a last minute OP wagon again please. We've been town the entire day phase, don't let the scumiest players in the game (Ghat, Medea, Amper) lead you to ANOTHER mislynch. I hate that I have to miss several days of posting, gametime, and talking with my partner, but it is what it is. I'm not letting you guys take advantage of it though.
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I don't know why every time I am absent for a few days I return to see lo and behold I'm the largest wagon again. Our pattern of not being around is really predictable, it's not like we're avoiding the thread on purpose...
Anyway, UT and I talked this morning at length about certain players (the ones voting us currently), this is what we decided.
Ghat is scum obviously. I feel they've been content this day phase to take a step back and let everyone else push counter wagons for them. You only need to look at #1962 and #2022 some recent votes to see that in action. They are not pushing their reads as much as they were earlier in the day phase, and are just trying to let the town to develop a lynch without them that they can hop on. Just add this to the list of reasons already damning them.
I love Medea being opportunistic as well. Now Medea and Ghat are forever linked, so this is a slot that either confirmed themselves as town or scum based on Ghat's flip. Here's what gives me pause about this slot in relation to Ghat. They speak with such certainty that Ghat is town to the point where they used a neighborizer shot on Ghat. Chamber confirmed that this is true ruling out a scum/scum pair here. I'm personally ruling out a town/town pair because of how scummy both slots have been. Let's look at Medea from this perspective. This is a slot that is SO certain about Ghat being town. Let's say we lynch Ghat and he for some reason flips town. Now Medea has an angle "look we were right all along!" to push. Like that they KNOW Ghat is town because they are scum. So when we lynch Ghat and he flips town, Medea can say "our reads are better, now let's start lynching OUR scumreads." I feel like that is what Medea is trying to set-up here. It would just be so simple if Ghat and Medea were scum-buddies, but that's impossible with the neighborization in play. Because I am so certain that Ghat is scum, but yet another slot has just forever linked them to them and I don't see any town motivation from it. I don't see that Medea is actually convinced by Ghat's play that they are town. They are convinced because the know Ghat is town. In regards to Ghat Medea said "I think their reads are pretty reasonable, their posts feel sincere, and they aren't living up to silly meta". (#1749) That's not based on in-game events, it's not really based on gut. It's like Medea is trying to express that they KNOW Ghat's alignment while trying to avoid confirming that they do KNOW. It's weird, I can't call Ghat town based on anything that slot has done. I can only call them town based on what Medea has done. I know I'm not the only one scumreading both these slots, what is everyone's thoughts on this dynamic?
Bazinga, I don't have much to say about. I'm a bit surprised by their vote because their reads have been lining up with mine for much of this day phase. I can say that they are very opportunistic willing to jump on any wagon that start's to gain traction, which gives me pause. I'm not interested in lynching them today though, and neither is anyone else.
Let's talk Ampersand. UT picked up on something about their play that really struck a chord with me. UT said "Ampersand has done a lot of, this happened, then this happened, and this happened....but not alot of 'this makes sense as scum'". And really looking through their posts, he's right. One Day 1, sure they called BRO scum. But why was Bro scum? I'm going back to an earlier argument I made for just a moment. They criticized me for not knowing that they were calling BROseidon Poseidon (which is ridiculous), so I found their instances of calling Poseidon scum. The first mention is #313 where they call him "Obvscum" but don't elaborate. It continues in their remaining Day 1 posts. Just an occasional "Poseidon is still scum" but no reasoning behind it. (UT points out to me that these are all CES posts). Let's move on from Day 1 though. #1885 demonstrates our position the best. Amper tells everyone they 'don't see UTtown, and they see a possible connection between Toasty and UT" but they don't elaborate on this at all. Great, so OP is not focused on Toasty right now. So what? Why isn't the slot demonstrating why this makes us scum? Why aren't they demonstrating why this makes us scum with Toasty? Toasty is allegedly their top scumread, why doesn't this do anything to the read? It's like they made this post in hopes that another player would expand on this point for them. Amper is pointing out things and then waiting for someone else to do the work. Their reads list in #1955 is filled with similar rhetoric. Chamber is town cause REASONS. Ghato is null because getting to L-1 is a null-tell, and they put effort into their Mina case. Amper recaps the game without offering anything new. Ossy is scummy, but can't imagine that their position about the L-1 conspiracy comes from scum. Okay fine. Then what is Ossy doing that makes sense coming from scum? Toasty post's are empty and weak. What about these posts makes sense from scum? I get the feeling from this slot is that they want to point out what has been happening in the game, but without making the key connections on what everyone's posts and events mean from an alignment perspective. Amper seems content (like Ghat) to allow the rest of the playerlist to develop their gameplay for them.
Here's what we're thinking to sum up. Ghat or Medea, one of them have to be scum. We need to lynch one of these players today. Everyone else is irreverent, a scum flip from either slot breaks this game wide open and that's extremely important and we can't overlook that. We think Amper's play and actions in this game leave a lot to the imagination. Their Poseidon scumread is dumb at best. Certainly they don't seem convinced of any of their reads. When you call players scum for being "empty and weak" or "not feeling like town", you're leaving the door open to let other players convince you of your reads, and that's wrong from a town perspective, and easy from a scum perspective to get away with. But Let's do Medea or let's do Ghat today. It's more important to break open this scummy pair then anything else at the moment. Ghat is half way there, let's finally make it happen.
Anyway, UT and I talked this morning at length about certain players (the ones voting us currently), this is what we decided.
Ghat is scum obviously. I feel they've been content this day phase to take a step back and let everyone else push counter wagons for them. You only need to look at #1962 and #2022 some recent votes to see that in action. They are not pushing their reads as much as they were earlier in the day phase, and are just trying to let the town to develop a lynch without them that they can hop on. Just add this to the list of reasons already damning them.
I love Medea being opportunistic as well. Now Medea and Ghat are forever linked, so this is a slot that either confirmed themselves as town or scum based on Ghat's flip. Here's what gives me pause about this slot in relation to Ghat. They speak with such certainty that Ghat is town to the point where they used a neighborizer shot on Ghat. Chamber confirmed that this is true ruling out a scum/scum pair here. I'm personally ruling out a town/town pair because of how scummy both slots have been. Let's look at Medea from this perspective. This is a slot that is SO certain about Ghat being town. Let's say we lynch Ghat and he for some reason flips town. Now Medea has an angle "look we were right all along!" to push. Like that they KNOW Ghat is town because they are scum. So when we lynch Ghat and he flips town, Medea can say "our reads are better, now let's start lynching OUR scumreads." I feel like that is what Medea is trying to set-up here. It would just be so simple if Ghat and Medea were scum-buddies, but that's impossible with the neighborization in play. Because I am so certain that Ghat is scum, but yet another slot has just forever linked them to them and I don't see any town motivation from it. I don't see that Medea is actually convinced by Ghat's play that they are town. They are convinced because the know Ghat is town. In regards to Ghat Medea said "I think their reads are pretty reasonable, their posts feel sincere, and they aren't living up to silly meta". (#1749) That's not based on in-game events, it's not really based on gut. It's like Medea is trying to express that they KNOW Ghat's alignment while trying to avoid confirming that they do KNOW. It's weird, I can't call Ghat town based on anything that slot has done. I can only call them town based on what Medea has done. I know I'm not the only one scumreading both these slots, what is everyone's thoughts on this dynamic?
Bazinga, I don't have much to say about. I'm a bit surprised by their vote because their reads have been lining up with mine for much of this day phase. I can say that they are very opportunistic willing to jump on any wagon that start's to gain traction, which gives me pause. I'm not interested in lynching them today though, and neither is anyone else.
Let's talk Ampersand. UT picked up on something about their play that really struck a chord with me. UT said "Ampersand has done a lot of, this happened, then this happened, and this happened....but not alot of 'this makes sense as scum'". And really looking through their posts, he's right. One Day 1, sure they called BRO scum. But why was Bro scum? I'm going back to an earlier argument I made for just a moment. They criticized me for not knowing that they were calling BROseidon Poseidon (which is ridiculous), so I found their instances of calling Poseidon scum. The first mention is #313 where they call him "Obvscum" but don't elaborate. It continues in their remaining Day 1 posts. Just an occasional "Poseidon is still scum" but no reasoning behind it. (UT points out to me that these are all CES posts). Let's move on from Day 1 though. #1885 demonstrates our position the best. Amper tells everyone they 'don't see UTtown, and they see a possible connection between Toasty and UT" but they don't elaborate on this at all. Great, so OP is not focused on Toasty right now. So what? Why isn't the slot demonstrating why this makes us scum? Why aren't they demonstrating why this makes us scum with Toasty? Toasty is allegedly their top scumread, why doesn't this do anything to the read? It's like they made this post in hopes that another player would expand on this point for them. Amper is pointing out things and then waiting for someone else to do the work. Their reads list in #1955 is filled with similar rhetoric. Chamber is town cause REASONS. Ghato is null because getting to L-1 is a null-tell, and they put effort into their Mina case. Amper recaps the game without offering anything new. Ossy is scummy, but can't imagine that their position about the L-1 conspiracy comes from scum. Okay fine. Then what is Ossy doing that makes sense coming from scum? Toasty post's are empty and weak. What about these posts makes sense from scum? I get the feeling from this slot is that they want to point out what has been happening in the game, but without making the key connections on what everyone's posts and events mean from an alignment perspective. Amper seems content (like Ghat) to allow the rest of the playerlist to develop their gameplay for them.
Here's what we're thinking to sum up. Ghat or Medea, one of them have to be scum. We need to lynch one of these players today. Everyone else is irreverent, a scum flip from either slot breaks this game wide open and that's extremely important and we can't overlook that. We think Amper's play and actions in this game leave a lot to the imagination. Their Poseidon scumread is dumb at best. Certainly they don't seem convinced of any of their reads. When you call players scum for being "empty and weak" or "not feeling like town", you're leaving the door open to let other players convince you of your reads, and that's wrong from a town perspective, and easy from a scum perspective to get away with. But Let's do Medea or let's do Ghat today. It's more important to break open this scummy pair then anything else at the moment. Ghat is half way there, let's finally make it happen.
Vote: Ghat
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Let's take your #2056 Fen.
Line #1 - I have posted reads on other players throughout the day phase. My last post was in response to this flash wagon I find myself (Bone) coming back to after missing a few days. As you may have noticed I miss days at a time because of life. So in your (Or CES' words) I'm not going to do your busy work for you. I think we've given our thoughts on every player over the course of this day phase.
A) I explained my issue on your Day 1. Yes I went back and looked at your ISO. Your #313 is a post I mention. I don't see a distinct reason for voting Bro and deciding to park the vote for essentially the rest of the day. The comment CES made about Bro "pushing a bullshit wagon" does not do it for me. It's one thing to say "Bro was pushing a bullshit wagon so we lynched him", I don't think that was demonstrated enough in-thread to make me believe that out of everything on Day 1 that was the sole position that too priority in your reads. It doesn't help that after that such as in #449, #609, #654, and so on, CES asks for more Bro votes, but never ever pursues his scumread beyond that. He pursues other random thoughts on other players, but the engagement, the reading of BRO more or less starts and end with that one initial post.
B) I don't think you've been doing it (and CES hasn't been doing it at all). You're recaping what's going on and not really giving some original thoughts that I expect as town. When you say things like "Toasty feels empty and weak" that doesn't convince me that you really believe in that read. What posts of his are empty? What posts of his are weak? Why are these points coming from scum motivation? That is what I was referring to.
C) Gut is fine sure. Your posts however don't make me feel that you believe in your own reads, and that's what I want to see. That your slot takes stances on your reads and believes them.
Let's talk about Ghat and Medea a bit more. I'll concede that anything is possible, sure Medeascum could neighborize Ghatscum. I think that's an unlikely scenario because I think a neighborizer of both alignments wants to neighborize with town. Am I oversimplizing my assumptions? Yes, but it's what I do so to not drive myself crazy with 'what-ifs'. This revelation did change our Ghat read a bit, and we adjusted. (since Chamber confirmed this neighborization happened) Like I said, it's not that Ghat has done anything to adjust our read on them. Without the neighborization claim, I don't think we'd even consider the slot town. It's Medea's actions that opened up the possibility that Ghat could be town. You're content to contest our scumread on Ghat over reasons you don't believe in, but when I take a similar issue with your stance on BRO you dismiss me. You can't have it both ways. If CES could be so sure that Bro was scum based on one thing he did early in the day, then we can take a hardline stance on Ghat/Medea in the same manner. I don't think you really believe that we're scum, you're just throwing it out there. Where is our scum motivation for our reads? Do you think we're making this wild read to push a scum agenda? What is that agenda? Do you think we're doing it for town cred? Because I don't care about towncred and we're obviously failing anyway.
What will it take to make you have a serious discussion with me about Medea and Ghat? Let's have this discussion right now.
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Line #1 - I have posted reads on other players throughout the day phase. My last post was in response to this flash wagon I find myself (Bone) coming back to after missing a few days. As you may have noticed I miss days at a time because of life. So in your (Or CES' words) I'm not going to do your busy work for you. I think we've given our thoughts on every player over the course of this day phase.
A) I explained my issue on your Day 1. Yes I went back and looked at your ISO. Your #313 is a post I mention. I don't see a distinct reason for voting Bro and deciding to park the vote for essentially the rest of the day. The comment CES made about Bro "pushing a bullshit wagon" does not do it for me. It's one thing to say "Bro was pushing a bullshit wagon so we lynched him", I don't think that was demonstrated enough in-thread to make me believe that out of everything on Day 1 that was the sole position that too priority in your reads. It doesn't help that after that such as in #449, #609, #654, and so on, CES asks for more Bro votes, but never ever pursues his scumread beyond that. He pursues other random thoughts on other players, but the engagement, the reading of BRO more or less starts and end with that one initial post.
B) I don't think you've been doing it (and CES hasn't been doing it at all). You're recaping what's going on and not really giving some original thoughts that I expect as town. When you say things like "Toasty feels empty and weak" that doesn't convince me that you really believe in that read. What posts of his are empty? What posts of his are weak? Why are these points coming from scum motivation? That is what I was referring to.
C) Gut is fine sure. Your posts however don't make me feel that you believe in your own reads, and that's what I want to see. That your slot takes stances on your reads and believes them.
Let's talk about Ghat and Medea a bit more. I'll concede that anything is possible, sure Medeascum could neighborize Ghatscum. I think that's an unlikely scenario because I think a neighborizer of both alignments wants to neighborize with town. Am I oversimplizing my assumptions? Yes, but it's what I do so to not drive myself crazy with 'what-ifs'. This revelation did change our Ghat read a bit, and we adjusted. (since Chamber confirmed this neighborization happened) Like I said, it's not that Ghat has done anything to adjust our read on them. Without the neighborization claim, I don't think we'd even consider the slot town. It's Medea's actions that opened up the possibility that Ghat could be town. You're content to contest our scumread on Ghat over reasons you don't believe in, but when I take a similar issue with your stance on BRO you dismiss me. You can't have it both ways. If CES could be so sure that Bro was scum based on one thing he did early in the day, then we can take a hardline stance on Ghat/Medea in the same manner. I don't think you really believe that we're scum, you're just throwing it out there. Where is our scum motivation for our reads? Do you think we're making this wild read to push a scum agenda? What is that agenda? Do you think we're doing it for town cred? Because I don't care about towncred and we're obviously failing anyway.
What will it take to make you have a serious discussion with me about Medea and Ghat? Let's have this discussion right now.
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Again. It's how F-16 uses his meta-dives that's alignment indicative. He used his meta-dives as a SUBSTITUTE for reading this thread and scumhunting not as a supplement. That IS scummy. F-16 as town uses meta sure, but he uses it in the context of the current game, something he wasn't doing. When you do meta-dives as a substitute for your scum hunting, it's just busy work to get some town credit. I'm not interested in any of that. Again. Nacho misrepresented us and I cited how he did it in #447. Like seriously, it was a part of my original post in which we vote them. How can you honestly try and tell everyone that I didn't make a case when I DID JUST THAT VERY THING?In post 2033, Medea the Alien wrote:^ that's L-1
Osseus, your entire case on Ghatokaca is not liking F-16's meta dives that aren't alignment a indicative and saying Nacho misrepresented something without citing said incident(s). Them not being lynched yesterday holds zero water. And your case on us is that we think they're town. What outside of our interactions with Ghatokaca comprise your scum case on us?
You say we're inextricably linked with Ghatokaca, but both hydra aren't scum, but you present both town-scum options as reasonable. Lots of noise, no content. Isn't it convenient that lynching us and Ghatokaca, assuming we're right about town-Ghatokaca, leaves us at likely LyLo?
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But let's talk about you since you know Ghat's town. You said 'our case on you is that you think they are town'. That's incorrect. No, instead you expect us to believe that as a town-neighborizer, your TOP townread is Ghat? I don't believe that, and I don't believe that you believe that. You talk about Ghat being town like you KNOW that they are town rather than just reading them as town. I could maybe buy that Ghat is a townread and you like the player's in the slot and that's why you neighborized them. I can't buy that you as town read them as town so hard you'd use your ability on them. I can buy it if you're scum and they are town. So when we lynch Ghat you can come in the next day phase and go "look at how obvious town he was you guys, look at how good we are at reading other players you guys, now let's lynch the players we want instead". It looks like you are telegraphing your moves for this exact situation, and I don't buy it coming from town. As an aside to everyone else, rather than refute the case PA opts for discrediting our read by saying "what outside of Ghat makes us scum?" because we all very well know I haven't said anything about that, and I'm not going to make something up so you can discredit the attack. My stances on Medea vs. Ghat are clear. Why are you asking me a leading question that you already know the answer to? Instead of discrediting my read, why don't you demonstrate why townMedea uses their neighborization on Ghat? If there is more to the story do tell.
Finally I love the "you'll be sorry if you lynch us" threat thrown in at the end. Nice!
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Translation: I'm going to use buzzwords to call them scum in the same manner we are calling Toasty scum (and other players town/scum) but WITHOUT demonstrating ANY of these points.In post 2084, Ampersand wrote:Okay! Personally I'd be happy with either of these lynches; although I slightly prefer Osseus. I think Osseus has been scummier in several ways - the lousy/lazy theory that scum areallamong the non-Ghato-voters, the bizarre vote switch to Toasty, followed by stretched attempts to discredit all those voting for him. In general I feel they've been more contradictory and inconsistent, and I don't mean from post to post - I could understand them changing their mind or having differences of opinion - I mean within the text of individual posts. But then, there are other parts of their posts that do seem genuine or valid, and perhaps the failings and misjudgements are down to their real life time issues. Whereas, Ghato I just feel super neutral about - I don't get a strong town vibe from any of their posts.
I could imagine either of them flipping scum, but right now I see it as more likely that Osseus will.
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You're doing it again Fen! I called you out for doing this, you said you weren't doing this, and yet you've done it again! You (and CES) haven't elaborated on ANYTHING you have said in regards to other players.
If any slot needs to be nailed to the wall after Ghat/Medea it's this one right here. Hell, if there is still resistance to the Ghat wagon for some strange reason I'll add Amper to the flashwagon list. If you guys could do it to BRO in 7 hours it can be done again. This shit shouldn't fly with anyone.
Ghat, Medea, or Amper, let's make this shit happen.
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Okay, I need to remind myself that Amper is off the table today, I'm just a bit annoyed and am getting ahead of myself. Anyway...here we go, I think most of us agree that Medea/Ghat is a scummy pair that needs to be resolved. Both wagons have had 5 votes of support (but never 6) this day phase.
Players that have voted Medea this day phase
Bazgina, Notscience, Ampersand, Hanzo, (us)
Players that have voted Ghat this day phase
Toasty, Mina, Hanzo, bazinga, us
Players that have voted us this day phase
Amper, Ghat, Medea, Bazinga, Kasuki
I include UT and I in the Medea slot because we're willing to vote them. 5 votes each. I included our wagon to be fair, but it consists of different players and is a bad lynch in my estimation. It's simple to get the lynch we need though. Toasty and I switch to Medea to join the four players who have already voted them this day phase or Amper or Notsci switch over to join the 5 players who have been willing to lynch Ghat today. These are very doable options. They are linked like crazy in this game, a majority of the playerlist finds one or both scummy, so let's make this happen. If someone moves back to Ghat, great. If Medea is a prefered option for more players as their wagon held steady for a majority of the day, I will switch my vote right now to make that happen. One of them has to be scum it's 50-50 in my mind.
Players that have voted Medea this day phase
Bazgina, Notscience, Ampersand, Hanzo, (us)
Players that have voted Ghat this day phase
Toasty, Mina, Hanzo, bazinga, us
Players that have voted us this day phase
Amper, Ghat, Medea, Bazinga, Kasuki
I include UT and I in the Medea slot because we're willing to vote them. 5 votes each. I included our wagon to be fair, but it consists of different players and is a bad lynch in my estimation. It's simple to get the lynch we need though. Toasty and I switch to Medea to join the four players who have already voted them this day phase or Amper or Notsci switch over to join the 5 players who have been willing to lynch Ghat today. These are very doable options. They are linked like crazy in this game, a majority of the playerlist finds one or both scummy, so let's make this happen. If someone moves back to Ghat, great. If Medea is a prefered option for more players as their wagon held steady for a majority of the day, I will switch my vote right now to make that happen. One of them has to be scum it's 50-50 in my mind.
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Mina this is UT now
listen I know you're rattled this game and are stuck in a waffle plateau. we can work through this.
Ghat/Medea is a 50/50 proposition. One of these motherfuckers is scum. There's no way this isn't the case. This is a high value play here you can make by lynching either Ghat or Medea. If one of them flips town the other has got to be scum. Don't play to the outside chances, play to the middle of the bell curve. we can talk about the 2 scum out of 9 players in the rest of the player list after this lynch.
listen I know you're rattled this game and are stuck in a waffle plateau. we can work through this.
Ghat/Medea is a 50/50 proposition. One of these motherfuckers is scum. There's no way this isn't the case. This is a high value play here you can make by lynching either Ghat or Medea. If one of them flips town the other has got to be scum. Don't play to the outside chances, play to the middle of the bell curve. we can talk about the 2 scum out of 9 players in the rest of the player list after this lynch.
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You're ridiculous scum protecting your scumbuddy. I love that you can come in here with a straight face an make excuses for not explaining your reads. "Not explaining our reads is pro-town." BULLSHIT.
Our progression on the Ghat and Medea thing is CRYSTAL FUCKING clear. You're being intentionally dense so you can push forward our mislynch. You're not scumhunting, instead you are content to let a bad lynch happen when better options are on the table. It's funny how your Medea read disappears into thin air all of a sudden. I asked you to talk to me about Medea and Ghat, I reached out to you, and you're pushing that effort away to protect your scumbuddies. No, both cannot be town, one has to be scum. And as their scumbuddy you know that lynching your buddy will pave the way for you lynch. Your play this day phase has been a scummy joke on this town. Ampersand is practically claiming scum in thread with their last two posts, and the sad thing is we don't have enough time to do anything about it. You guys remember this scum claim on Day 3.
I am putting our ass on the line to get a Medea or Ghat lynch through because I KNOW it is the best move for the town. I'm advocating a possible flashlynch on Medea knowing full well if everyone doesn't commit to it in time, we will be the deadline compromise mislynch. I am putting my ass on the line for our scumreads, and then a player like Ampersand can't even elaborate on their reads? That's a scum claim. They don't want scum lynched, they want us mislynched.
Our progression on the Ghat and Medea thing is CRYSTAL FUCKING clear. You're being intentionally dense so you can push forward our mislynch. You're not scumhunting, instead you are content to let a bad lynch happen when better options are on the table. It's funny how your Medea read disappears into thin air all of a sudden. I asked you to talk to me about Medea and Ghat, I reached out to you, and you're pushing that effort away to protect your scumbuddies. No, both cannot be town, one has to be scum. And as their scumbuddy you know that lynching your buddy will pave the way for you lynch. Your play this day phase has been a scummy joke on this town. Ampersand is practically claiming scum in thread with their last two posts, and the sad thing is we don't have enough time to do anything about it. You guys remember this scum claim on Day 3.
I am putting our ass on the line to get a Medea or Ghat lynch through because I KNOW it is the best move for the town. I'm advocating a possible flashlynch on Medea knowing full well if everyone doesn't commit to it in time, we will be the deadline compromise mislynch. I am putting my ass on the line for our scumreads, and then a player like Ampersand can't even elaborate on their reads? That's a scum claim. They don't want scum lynched, they want us mislynched.
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Mina, I get that it bugs you that I've been low key today, but my RL issues aside, tbqh when I've had time to post I've kind of thought "why bother" since it's been a herculean task so far to keep Ghat under the spotlight. I've been hanging back and letting Bone do his thing because I have the luxury of being able to have my slot push the issue in two different ways
that aside, come on. don't make the comparison between our wagons and Ghat.
look at Ampersand trying their hardest to keep Ghat from getting the axe by pushing a mislynch on us. it's just like yesterday.
look at how the Bro wagon swelled up at the last second to keep Ghat alive.
This shit is totally different. We didn't have counterwagons and white knights keeping the us from dying day 1. It was just town players like you getting pushed around by the bullshit and rhetoric.
trust us on this one. we're gonna lynch him today and you and me are gonna be all hearts and unicorns again. you'll see.
that aside, come on. don't make the comparison between our wagons and Ghat.
look at Ampersand trying their hardest to keep Ghat from getting the axe by pushing a mislynch on us. it's just like yesterday.
look at how the Bro wagon swelled up at the last second to keep Ghat alive.
This shit is totally different. We didn't have counterwagons and white knights keeping the us from dying day 1. It was just town players like you getting pushed around by the bullshit and rhetoric.
trust us on this one. we're gonna lynch him today and you and me are gonna be all hearts and unicorns again. you'll see.
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this is sometimes called scumhuntingIn post 2096, Ghatokaca wrote:The tunnellers will find their next target and continue tunneling.
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bazinga,
get back here
stop giving bullshit reads on hydras because you want to us to believe you're really trying to read the alignment of each head individually
ghat is fucking scum. you're reading them them as fucking scum. lynch them as fucking scum.
remind mollie of Bipolar Mafia to see how well she actually knows how the fuck my reactions work
don't mislynch us on this bullshit
get back here
stop giving bullshit reads on hydras because you want to us to believe you're really trying to read the alignment of each head individually
ghat is fucking scum. you're reading them them as fucking scum. lynch them as fucking scum.
remind mollie of Bipolar Mafia to see how well she actually knows how the fuck my reactions work
don't mislynch us on this bullshit
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Crunch time boys and girls. My final reads (UT's might differ slightly), scum Ghat/Medea, Amper for sure, not quite sold on a third player. Mala gets to avoid having to make a decision so I dunno maybe? Chamber was gun-ho on Ghat Day 1 but decided that since he wasn't NKed that Ghat becomes town based off of that? Plus Katsuki has just been terrible, and the complete 180 on a scum read I can see coming from scum so that's a slot you guys need to sort. But if you guys leave Medea/Ghat alive in favor of our mislynch you HAVE to sort them next day phase. It's not a town-town pairing that's for sure. But really the head needs to be cut off that dragon NOW.
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what the fuck do you gain from lynching our slot?
you'll still have to deal with the medea/ghat thing tomorrow (although you seem content to not even bother with them as a pair for some reason) in addition to all of your stated reads
that neighborhood WHICH I GUARANFUCKINTEE YOU CONTAINS A SCUM will still be around tomorrow
how about you actually get some fucking information from this lynch instead of dumbly sticking with your reads
which have been shit this game
head. remove. ass.
you'll still have to deal with the medea/ghat thing tomorrow (although you seem content to not even bother with them as a pair for some reason) in addition to all of your stated reads
that neighborhood WHICH I GUARANFUCKINTEE YOU CONTAINS A SCUM will still be around tomorrow
how about you actually get some fucking information from this lynch instead of dumbly sticking with your reads
which have been shit this game
head. remove. ass.
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