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Post Post #612 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:16 am

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I'm going to be starting from the beginning, so I hope everyone will give me a little patience. If someone can give me as much info on the cops in game as possible, that'd be great. My understanding is, they can't post in this thread and they can't vote. How do use them to our advantage?

I'll come back with reads later. Right now it's in the 70's, breezy and sunny. Tomorrow's supposed to be worse, so I'll spend more time indoors.

Expect reads and more tonight, but more likely tomorrow.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:38 am

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In post 613, mastin2 wrote:ANTIHERO, YOU BASTARD.
YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD AP BE THE ONE POSTING IN-THREAD.

Yo, AP. Next time you can, blaze with me.
:lol: I wouldn't have minded being the Police!

At least then I'd know what part they play in this mystery!

pedit They don't have to stop Town from scum hunting. Town stops Town from scum hunting.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:33 am

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In post 577, Ms Marangal wrote:Why are we talking about mylo/lylo considering we had just lynched scum and is probably pretty far away from mylo/lylo

Why are we talking about cop alignments again (pretty sure we had gone out of that a while back)

and, if Garmr/Mastin is town where is she? she should be leading this and she should be hammering down on me pretty damn hard if she actually thinks that I'm scum here because she knows I can be pretty slimy, but I don't see any of that at all.

Dopog: Why would you only be content with those two as lynch contenders? is everyone else town?
This sounds like Burdon of Proficiency, Mastin hadn't been in the game that long. I don't really have a read on Mastin yet.

In post 619, shos wrote:VOTE: jon

speak up, scum. quickly now, don't read the QT.
Sorry, I was reading from the beginning, didn't see this.

I will, soon.

I'm thinking maybe Mara and dopog are scummy, but I still need to do ISOs and that's when you'll start getting posts and activity from me. I'm liking MTD as Town, and I've seen tunneling Town, and that's maybe Grey. Shos
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Don't be offended if I didn't mention you, I'll get around to it.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:57 pm

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Hey anyone! I'm not going to have as much time as I thought I was. Could maybe someone give a quick synopsis to maybe jumpstart my scum hunting. I ISO dopog, but that's about where I have to stop for tonight.

I know I want to hear more from Mara. She's reminding me of a time where she was scum in a game awhile back.

Since Cops can't vote or post in Thread, I'm just going to ignore them. Unless I get called to the Office.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:16 pm

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One thing I'd like is if dogog and MTD would give their thoughts on the issue where dopog said MTD was acting like he knew the Day 1 lynch (I forgot his name) was going to be Town. It was one of my main issues I wanted addressed. I think MTD is Town from my first read through. I've played with him once where he was Town, but I've never seen him scum.
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Post Post #654 (isolation #5) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:46 am

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In post 651, Ms Marangal wrote:
In post 647, jon_h61 wrote:This sounds like Burdon of Proficiency, Mastin hadn't been in the game that long. I don't really have a read on Mastin yet.
I don't see it. It's more of a "If you're going to try and read me, don't half-ass it" because doing so is pretty terrible and he has played with me enough to know that I probably won't get caught/break down from a half-assed attempt.
OK, I've never played with Mastin, but I know who he is from MD. I'll reserve judgment until he's back from interrogation.

You're my next ISO so I'll pay attention to your interactions with him, and then I'll ISO him.


@ MTD I remember reading those posts. I'm getting the feeling dopog is scum. I've noticed dopog has long absences, and I'm not liking his scum hunting when he is here. He's latched onto MTD with a scum read because... MTD thought Muffin was Town. He doesn't say anything else on MTD, ignoring everything else in the game. When he asks questions of others, the questions are generic. Go back and read them, they're safe questions. His number two scum read is on a lurker. Someone who isn't around enough to defend themselves.

I also don't like the fact that he started on MTD in , and except for a brief time of voting P1, hasn't suspected or
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questioned anyone else. This is something scum do frequently, it keeps them from scum hunting. When scum scum hunt, they risk getting caught.

@ dopog I'd like to hear your updated reads. I'm considering placing my vote on you. I'm getting the impression that since think you found something on MTD, you're going to ride it without adding much effort to finding out his alignment. Do you have other reasons for thinking MTD's scum?

In , if I understand right, you're implying MTD and dessew are a scum team? Or they're not a scum team?

I talked myself into it.
VOTE: dopog
I was going to wait until I finished ISOs to vote, but that isn't happening as quickly as I thought.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:40 am

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I think if the interrogation times were shorter, this'd be an interesting mechanic. Waiting three days to find out what our cops asked is a bit demotivating. This time around it's helping me get up to speed, so there's that.


My wife just got an unexpected $250 check, but we have to go get it. It's like an hour and a half drive one way. We're going to hang around for pizza too. My point is, I'm going to be gone most of the day. If I'm not too wiped out and it's not too late I'll read a few more ISOs and give a few more reads.

For now I'm leaning
Town
on

MTD This is more from meta of the last game I played with him. Plus he does look like he wants to catch scum.
Grey In my last finished game neil(plus numbers) tunneled the hell out of me and then he flipped Town. So going hard on a scum read sometimes is TvT. In my experience most 1v1's Day 1 have been TvT. Scum love to let Town tear itself up. I'm guessing that's the case here, for now. I know there's a logical fallacy in there, but I don't care.
Sorry that's all I got ATM.

Scum


dopog for reasons stated. If he posts something convincing me he's not just active lurking, this may change. I know I just watered down the scum read by saying this, but he deserves a chance at a rebuttal.
Ms. I don't like that she says if she was scum Mastin would have already found her out, plus a little niggling from a scum game she played with me once upon a time.
Shos did something similar, but what convinces me someone's not scum is sensible scum hunting, at least something I can understand the reasons behind. If accusations are totally screwy, there might be scum.
LL
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Everyone else. If anyone doesn't like being null, tell me why you should be in my Town or scum categories and I'll consider it.

I'm hoping to be completely caught up with ISO's by tomorrow afternoon. By then I'll be fully invested in the game.
These reads may change dramatically between now and then, only time (and effort) will tell.

pedit I'm also interested in Mastin's experience with the cops. I've had this page up since this morning, it got a lot of posts since then. I can't read them, I have to leave (my wife says NOW!)

@ Mastin Can you give us any insights into if and how the Police can be used to Town's advantage. Did they have any good insights into the game? Who are they suspecting, and why?
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Post Post #671 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:40 am

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In post 488, Ms Marangal wrote:I'm also gonna go balls out and say that I'm pretty much conf. town at this point which is kinda weird for me and I'm glad that Kovara hadn't gotten swayed from his scum-spects
I'm adding Kovara into your ISO, but I'd like to hear from you what makes you conf.Town?

Post looked Town the first time I read it. You have an awful lot of scum reads for someone who thinks we have one scum left. What's worse is that I get the feeling you already had picked who you were going to push for lynches. I push hard on cases when I'm reasonably certain their scum too. I just don't like how you've preselected (at least it looks that way to me) who you're going to scum read.
In post 525, Ms Marangal wrote:I find it kinda weird, that LLD only had an issue with the walls coming out of this slot the moment I start posting. She had no problems with Kovara even though He made more walls and was 10x more trollish and anti-town than I could ev be
I was thinking as I read your ISO that it was content light myself. You do make it plain who you suspect, but the whys need filled in, at least if you want to convince me to your side. AS for LLD, I'm not sure if frustrated Town or scum.
In post 577, Ms Marangal wrote:Why are we talking about mylo/lylo considering we had just lynched scum and is probably pretty far away from mylo/lyloWhy are we talking about cop alignments again (pretty sure we had gone out of that a while back)and, if Garmr/Mastin is town where is she? she should be leading this and she should be hammering down on me pretty damn hard if she actually thinks that I'm scum here because she knows I can be pretty slimy, but I don't see any of that at all.
You're asking rhetorical questions, ones that don't help find scum.

You did ask dopog "Why would you only be content with those two as lynch contenders? is everyone else town"
which I'm not certain if he answered or not.

My conclusion for Mara, I'm leaning null scum on her. Her lack on content and what looks to tunneling while having lots of scum reads to fall back on is making me even more uncomfortable with the slot. The null-scum read is probably more scum-null.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #8) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:54 am

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My plan of attack is going to be this; keep doing ISOs' on slots still in the game while staying relevant with the current happenings in Thread.

Being a replacement has both advantages and disadvantages. It helps to give Town fresh insights into the game, but you miss a lot of nuances you pick up if you're part of the conversation as it happens.

If anyone needs clarification on anything I've said, or have questions/accusations, etc. for me, speak now...
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Post Post #673 (isolation #9) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:01 am

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In post 313, Guyett wrote:I just fucking subbed in.what do you expect me to have done?
I can understand the emotions behind this post, but guyett's early play
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Guyett's posts are mostly one liners. I'm not seeing Town motivation in the questions he's asking. In a recently finished game with Anka, he did something similar. Safe one liners, then coming on all offended when someone asked a question, or expressed suspicion. He was scum.

There isn't all that much to comment on, his posts are fluffy. I'm not seeing him doing anything to firm up any of his scum reads. He has quite a few.

The latter half of Guyett's ISO looks better, but I want to go back and read his posts within the context they were written. I'll have questions for Guyett, I'm sure.

Null for now.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #10) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:48 am

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With the talking about Town blocs early, if one was formed I'd want shos in mine. He looks to actually be scum hunting, which is more than I can say about some previous ISO's. Shos asks questions, and expects answers.

Shos is one of (and maybe my strongest) my Town reads. I won't be voting him any time soon.

pedit I agree with "Scum is within this group { jonh_61, Ms Marangal, Lady Lambdadelta, dopog}"

I think there's scum in that list.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #11) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:21 am

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I could settle on a LLD lynch. Her play could easily be scum trying to seem uninterested in the game. Let's find out.

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Post Post #706 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:21 pm

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@ dopog I did consider that game. In it if you'd came back when I asked you to, I was most probably going to vote Titus. There isn't anything I can compare you to. Our interactions were too short.

I have to base my read on this game alone. I'll read through your posts and see if my read on you changes, but I remember our reads were pretty different.

I have been meta reading, just not for this thread.

Where are our ladys? I haven't heard from them in awhile.
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Post Post #707 (isolation #13) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:29 pm

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In post 701, dopog wrote:Anyway @greyice; just think about nature of this game regarding jon; not a good lynch today but think it through. all I'm saying.
What do you mean "nature of the game"? I'm in the dark.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:57 am

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I lost track of this deadline, sorry!

I guess replacing in and it not being the only game I play is my excuse.

dopog is looking Townier, but still I think he could be scum.

UNVOTE:
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pedit why deadline's like in 40 minutes?
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Post Post #724 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:59 am

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@ Mastin Sorry to hear about your grandmother, I just lost my Mom last year.

Our heartfelt wishes to your family.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #16) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:09 am

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In post 720, mastin2 wrote:Outside GreyICE and LLD, dopog's my strongest townread. Heck, with LLD's lack of posting and slight pings about GreyICE, he might even be my strongest townread. That's not a guy I'm going to hammer; that's a guy I will stick my neck out on the line for, and even offer up myself in his place.
When you can get to it, could you expound on this. Especially your reads on LLD, dopog too.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #17) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:35 am

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@ LLD Are you Town?
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Post Post #729 (isolation #18) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:38 am

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@ Mod Could you add the deadline counter to the first post. It'd be a quick way to check the deadline.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #19) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:46 am

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@ dopog I'm not a Rule Guardian, but it does say no bah posts, and no talking in twilight.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:59 am

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We can still discuss, and I wish Mastin was around so I could flesh out my read of him better.

I know he has a scum read on my slot, but I'm finding myself agreeing with some of what he's saying.

Is there anyone around who wants to express last minute thoughts before deadline?
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Post Post #741 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:10 am

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I was going to grill Ms.Mara when Today started. I don't understand why scum NK'd her, I thought she looked pretty scummy.

@LLD you thought Mara was scummy yesterday too. We disagreed on shos though. Can you give a quick synopsis why you think he's scum? Ms. Mara had you down as scum yesterday. Why was she wrong?

@ Guyette Yesterday you had Shos as scum IIRC. Do you still think he is?

pedit @ Guyette What's the scum read on me for?

ppedit @ MTD Mastin
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Why would wanting to go to interrogation make him scum? I know AP said it though.


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Post Post #764 (isolation #22) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:46 am

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In post 744, Guyett wrote:
In post 741, jon_h61 wrote:I was going to grill Ms.Mara when Today started. I don't understand why scum NK'd her, I thought she looked pretty scummy.


@ Guyette Yesterday you had Shos as scum IIRC. Do you still think he is?

pedit @ Guyette What's the scum read on me for?
Mara was my biggest scum read at the end of the Day.

:igmeou:

I had shos as null with a heavy town lean

You're null alongside MTD but that first part of this quote has given you a big shunt into scum pile
Why is me lamenting Mara's Towniness making me a scum read. I pointed out exactly why I had a scum read on her, and the answers she gave didn't do anything to change the read. Why is consistency scummy?

It's bugging me to no end that our reads are(were) so similar, since you're leaning scum for me.
In post 676, Guyett wrote:
Scum is within this group { jonh_61, Ms Marangal, Lady Lambdadelta, dopog}

Not 100% comfortable with calling MTD and Shos town yet

mastin2 and GreyICE are my biggest town reads
I no longer feel the bolded is true, since there can be only one scum in that group at the most.

A theory, Guyette picked out who he wanted to push earlier in the game for reasons of his own. Scum kill them off one by one. Guyette is then able to say, "well then (the survivor) has to be scum" all the way to Endgame. I'm still unsettled on a read for LLD, she wasn't much of a presence Yesterday. Hopefully she'll be able to find time for the thread Today.
In post 762, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, let's be real, does anyone in this game seriously threaten me if I'm scum and you're dead?
If I decide you're scum, I'll do my best to get you lynched, I promise. Guy's slot is the one I think most likely to flip scum at this time.



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Post Post #769 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:41 am

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@ shos I've been considering LLD scum lately, and nothing she's said has done much to change my read. BUT I've been AWOL for the last few days so I want to reread the last several pages before I commit to any votes.

What do you think of Guyette? I'm up in the air on this slot. Sometimes leaning scum, sometimes not. He keeps his posts short (concise) making him harder for me to read.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #24) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:24 am

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In post 762, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, let's be real, does anyone in this game seriously threaten me if I'm scum and you're dead?
This was back on the 22nd.

Nothing else has been said since.

Earlier you said you weren't motivated to play. Hopefully this will help, intent to hammer.


I'll hold off for the sake of more conversation, but we need to use the time if I don't hammer.

I think LLD or Guyette are our best chance of flipping scum. I'm willing to listen to arguments otherwise, but after going over their ISOs again, I don't think I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure Grey, MTD, and Shos are all Town. Mastin hasn't been scum hunting much, but I do understand why.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #25) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:22 am

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When you're on the outside 36 hours seems like a long time to wait for the interrogatee to get back, but it went too quickly during interrogation for my liking. I guess the only thing I carried away from it is that both AP and Empking think Mastin should be Today's lynch. AP also said that he thought Grey is scum, and that he thinks LLD is Town. I had more I wanted to get from them, but it didn't get to happen.

AP said that they are Kind of pro-Town, but not exactly Town. He also said they wouldn't post in the game thread at all this game.

Mastin is calling MTD scum, but not giving any case that I can see. The same with shos and me. is another example of doing the same. What conversation we (the Police) had convinced me that our best chance of hitting scum is to
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Post Post #800 (isolation #26) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:34 am

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In post 794, shos wrote:Mastin's life have been difficult lately, and when any content comes from that slot that will interest me itll be regarding myself. So I can definitely live with a lynxh right now, especially seeing this:
This lines up with what I was originally thinking about Mastin, and I was really leaning scum on LLD. Now I'm back to second guessing myself.

What are peoples' thoughts on our Cops? Is there any possibility that maybe at least one of them is trying to influence us toward a scum win?

Now I AM getting paranoid.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #27) » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:21 pm

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I didn't get time for this thread today and Deb(my wife) wants to go to bed now! I'll start with this thread tomorrow. Besides it's not like it got tons more to read over anyway. :P

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Post Post #815 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:27 am

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I disagree with the cops on LLD. I think she's scum taking advantage of Town's apathy. She's said several times she's demotivated with the game, but it looks like a ploy to not get lynched. Even in the early game I was reading her as a scum possibility, so I'll hammer whenever discussion is done. Or if things continue to be so lackadaisical.

For now UNVOTE:
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Post Post #817 (isolation #29) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:47 pm

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These long times between posts can only help scum, so to help move the game forward, and hopefully put scum down one more player, hell, who knows maybe for the win...

VOTE: LLD
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Post Post #824 (isolation #30) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:29 am

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What? Nothing was happening! I waited and waited. I got tired of waiting.

This page alone lasted 3 days! What was I shutting down? Of all the things to be called scummy for...

grumble grumble
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Post Post #825 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:30 am

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In post 813, shos wrote:page 30: daay starts at 20 march
page 31: 21 march
page 32: 26 march
page 33: 28 march
today: 30 march

total: 813-737=76 posts, by 7 people, in 10 days.

that's 1 post/day per person.

WAKE UP BOYZ AND GURLZ
and vote LLD
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Post Post #826 (isolation #32) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:41 am

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In post 822, MTD wrote:Hum, I did not like jon's hammer post.
In post 817, jon_h61 wrote:These long times between posts can only help scum
How so?

Also, there were still questions being asked and cutting that short is, well....
How so? By making everyone, I know I was getting there, forget about, or not care about the game.

You asked LLD a question, but she wasn't answering. She made a point of not answering. This is obvious. LLD was in prod range, I think, if prods are 48 hours. What do you think I made you miss?
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Post Post #850 (isolation #33) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:34 am

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Gone fishing.
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