Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[PeregrineV]

Vote: SweatingChessball

Because based on my last 2 games with you both, you probably won't be around tomorrow.

If you somehow are, we may revisit this.

[PeregrineV]

wat

Fire Emblem- town Chesskid dies n1

Aircraft- town DGB dies n1

[PeregrineV]

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

While simultaneously praising a Mastin post.

Vote: Rubicon

[PeregrineV]

I guess the disappeared posts are just gone.

Skim/read, but not hard-reading.

Vote: Alpacazard

for great speedwagon justice!

What made Rubuicon stop being scum?

Saw the RedCotoye summary, but need more time to link-click.

@Toog

- what was your disagreement with it?

[PeregrineV]

Caught up from page 20whatever.

Could comment on comments to my comments, but I'm good. I'll take direct questions instead.

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Mastin=scum?

Maybe, maybe not. He gets much easier to read as the game progresses, not a good day1 lynch.

DrippingSweatball

A hydra of two prolific posting players with posts equal to the mod's in number, but with less information. Normally against a day1 lynch of it, but willing to entertain an exception at this point.

[PeregrineV]

god damn it

UNVOTE: mastin
VOTE: Alpacazard

expand on red please

It was direct response to 775, a few posts up.

Why do

YOU

think he said "god damn it"?

[PeregrineV]

i know what it was reffering to

and i dont read all that shitposting mastin does

i want to know what ap found so good about it that he unvoted mastin

But then he could make shit up and you wouldn't know the difference, because you won't read the post he is talking about or explaining.

Given that, what is the point of asking him to expand on it?

[PeregrineV]

what the fuck do you think?

its not like its impossible for him to say that "the x part of the shitpost was goooood", from this point i can go up and read the x part, saving myself from as many shitstains as possible

i also find it all in all odd to vote someone, then after that someone makes one post you switch the vote without reasoning, add in to that there is a built up wagon on mastin, so if ap feels like there is something towny then there is town motivation to share it, this sort of nonsensical progressions have been a ap trademark this game though

So, logically,
you see a wall
skip reading the wall
see a reaction that puzzles you about the wall
skip reading the wall
ask the person who reacted to expand on their reaction regarding the wall, where if they give specifics, (8th paragraph, 6th sentence) you will then proceed to the wall, count 8 paragraphs without reading them, then count 6 sentences without reading them, to see if the reaction is relevant to the sentence referenced?



Wow.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Sven

[PeregrineV]

realize that ap voted mastin on the previous page, and that this is mastins only post that could have changed his mind

Why

did

AP vote Mastin on the previous page?

[PeregrineV]

Lest we forget. (scum meta for Sven)

[PeregrineV]

Lest we forget. (scum meta for Sven)

Are you seeing similarities in his play between this game and that one?

That was a long time ago, so I remember the game, but not the details. I do remember that before getting into it with vengeful townie, that I started with a Sven scumread but ended up dropping it by the time I caught up. The link is for meta-checkers to check and give objective opinion on.

My vote is on Sven for fake scumhunting (illogic train in 786).

[PeregrineV]

Lest we forget. (scum meta for Sven)

Are you seeing similarities in his play between this game and that one?

That was a long time ago, so I remember the game, but not the details. I do remember that before getting into it with vengeful townie, that I started with a Sven scumread but ended up dropping it by the time I caught up. The link is for meta-checkers to check and give objective opinion on.

My vote is on Sven for fake scumhunting (illogic train in 786).

I wind up re-skimming that game and the borkgame micro every time svenskt and I play together, which is maybe why it's a good thing we don't play together that often. With the exception of Nacho, all of the scumteam was in my scumpile on night 1. And Cephrir, who was inexplicably town.

I'm not seeing amnesiac-svenskt so far.

I skimmed over part of it also. While I'm also not seeing Amnesiac-Sven directly, I'm assuming a year has improved his English and his ability to play scum. We'll see.

[PeregrineV]

Back in a few hours, I think. Is Sven still acting like scum?

[PeregrineV]

I don't understand BBmolla's vote on PV, since Molla is scum reading Sven and it followed some posts by PV pushing on Sven.

PV seems really ungenuine,

I would say this genuinely hurts me.

But it doesn't.

[PeregrineV]

Ok caught up.

[PeregrineV]

Yo : )

So this is kinda how I'm reading some things in the game at the moment.

Thinking PV is scumming around still. Don't have a superb ability to read someone who plays as he does but

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DrippingSweatball

A hydra of two prolific posting players with posts equal to the mod's in number, but with less information. Normally against a day1 lynch of it, but willing to entertain an exception at this point.

just doesn't sit well with me. At all. No context and yeah just seems to support both (i.e. sets up being able to justify pushing it or not down the road) sides of the potential wagon without actually pushing anything.

Thinking Zdenek is scum as well. Not feeling any real work on his part to discover who is scum and more kind of arbitrary "ok let's push here for a while stuff" and then "nope not gaining any traction with this we'll scumread them now". Also if a question gets answered he kinda just follows up on that person (ok) but in contrast if they don't answer then it just disappears. What I'm saying; Zdenek's pushes don't feel real.

I mean it's so easy to say junk like this;

You spend this entire post talking about Bulb and then you vote Pere? Why didn't you mention anything about Pere? This vote is really awkward.

If one of them flipped scum, I would instantly lynch the other.

proclaim this is what should happen and if it's not the case not be held accountable to it because it was just speculative, or a non-toooo serious push not to be given much weight to.

These two fellas are my strongest scumreads

Finding majiffy and bulbazak in particular hard to read. Majiffy cause his language/style seems to flow pretty naturally (i.e. not alignment-indicative) whereas if it weren't I might scumread that and bulba because trying to weigh up his play with what he was saying about trying to change his town play and still not reconciling his first few posts with that.

Will iso vezok sometime!?

jaja

Don't know how anyone is townreading this , but let's dig in, shall we?

Thinking PV is scumming around still. Don't have a superb ability to read someone who plays as he does

Being as precise as possible and using as much digital space as required, give a treatise on "how I play".

[PeregrineV]

Ok caught up.

Hi

Hi! Sorry to see you are still stuck in the freezer, but can you quickly give your top 3 scum and top3 (not-you) town?

[PeregrineV]

I detected that a lot of people think sekai is scum. I lofted the idea of a compromise wagon on her.

Nobody seemed interested. The end.

Why does me not moving my vote make one iota of difference to the situation?

I missed that, and she(it) comes across very town. Who are the peoples?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Alpazard

[PeregrineV]

@Sven - a bit of play advice. Stop acting like it's bad that people find you scummy. Your play is markedly anti-town and has been throughout - there's a reason more people aren't reading you as town and it's not because they're all bad players.

get over yourself, you are not half as good as people make you out to be, so dont think you are in a position to give advice.

and me being anti town is fucking lol, my entire wagon is people lurking or being butt hurt (voting with feelings)

try to stop lurking, or do you find posting as scum hard? couse its not really pro town

fuck off

But he has a point. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5717929

What is your opinion of Alpazard? His wagon? How has that changed with all of the recent activity?

[PeregrineV]

Spoiler: PPL's reads on Sekai as of now

ActionDan - No read
Aegor - No read
AP - scum
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - town
Majiffy - leaningscumbutlolVEZOK
mastin2 - scum
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - no read
pidgey - undecided
RC - leaning scum
Rubicon - no read
Sven - town
SC3 - super-town
Thor665 - ehhh
Toogeloo - Town
vezok - no read
Zdenek - "terrible"

I can't drop the bad habit of using spoiler tag and quote end tag together

1188

[PeregrineV]

AP, I want to scumread you so bad because I don't want to believe your town game is this terrible

Terrible is an objective measure. How is AP's game "terrible" at this point?

[PeregrineV]

GIF tell me why the 4 people who voted me after you are voting me please

Cause he made a good point.

You're scummy and not trying.

Stop whining and give us reads, reasons, etc. which will possibly result in reasons to NOT lynch you today.

See how that works?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: DrppingSweatBall

Let's give the man time to post coherently.

[PeregrineV]

Alp, if you're town, Toog is the scum on your wagon g

I'm voting him too. Or was.

[PeregrineV]

Ok cool you're scum on the wagon too PV ty

I just want to make sure your held to your reads, and the reasons behind them.

Like why is Toog scum?

[PeregrineV]

Can I have a brief review of why people want to lynch this guy. God forbid I iso him.

Imagine SweetingCheeseBall but with less content.

[PeregrineV]

Sven has an agression tell that's really easy to spot if he's been wagoned. I'll go look back around there and see what I think.

I remember thinking bulba-scum for some reason.

Molla's town.

The Valentyndra (@Zden, it's Chess/DGB because they're a hydra based off the valentines quiz) can go either way, I have no idea what either of them do as scum instead of town so whatever

In summary
Sven- You'll get back to us.
Bulba-You'll get back to us.
Molla-Town
SweatBall- No opinion.

And which head's work assignment is this?

[PeregrineV]

GIF there are like 7/8 at my last count, only one with an actual reasoning besides compromise/lurker.

GIF is there anyone else we can wagon

Seriously

[PeregrineV]

heh.

we're debating PV and bulba. RC is coming up a distant third.

I had 3 votes, Bulba had 0 votes, and RedCoyote had 1 vote.

How did you acquire your faulty information?

[PeregrineV]

Walk me through your thoughts here.
I'll even buy you some breathing room so you can do it proper.

Good luck. He''s posted more than you in the last 5 pages and hasn't said anything yet.

[PeregrineV]

heh.

we're debating PV and bulba. RC is coming up a distant third.

I had 3 votes, Bulba had 0 votes, and RedCoyote had 1 vote.

How did you acquire your faulty information?

I wasn't referring to wagons. I was talking about who we're thinking about voting and how strongly we're thinking about them.

Ahhh, and the "we" cause you're a hydra too.

OK.

Why those three?

[PeregrineV]

I'm moving on to my other games for a while, but

<insert flail posting>

should cover it.

[PeregrineV]

[PeregrineV]

Good news is that when I'm mislynched day1, town win rate is 56%. Bad news is that it drops to 44% in Larges.

I thought about trolling, or trying to scumhunt with words that no one will read.

I've decided to do both.

dopog is scum. In cases of my day1 mislynch, 81% of the time scum is first on the wagon.

In addition, his primary attack on me was for no reason, and it grew as I pushed Sven and DrippingSweatball. It was especially telling since he then started pushing Zdenek in the same post, but the only common read we shared at the time was Sven (474).

DrippingBall is scum because it's obvious. Making random posts is scummy.

Alpacazard is scummy, and should never be lynched, because if you want to lynch it, you can't read it.

As for the rest, you can find them without me.


Let the trolling begin (until I'm hammered or this nonense wagon goes away).

FAQ

1. Why would you want to troll if you are town?
Because it's been a while since I have. Annoyed but not really upset, since it's just a game. And the lack of actual playing annoys me.

2. You are at L-1, you should claim.
My role is public knowledge.

3.Who is scum on your wagon?
Really? You ignore me all game and ask for more words you won't read?

4. What about....?
Nah. I have some work, then I have more fun.

[PeregrineV]

Mastin saved you.

Oh right Majiffy is scum in this game.

For the fact, yes.

Based on?

We're going to

VOTE: Vezok

Consensus-wise we are pretty much equally happy with a PV lynch.

Sekai remains opportunistic scum.

Why? Still not seeing it. And 10 other people are doing the same thing.

I'll claim to stop this bullshit wagon on me.
I'm the female boomer. Instead of sending 3 people to the list I can send only one. There may be more people that have my role.

For those not following along at home, this is conftown. It's the same role mechanic from Walking Dead: influencing the zombie horde, to 'vig' a player. And as he himself stated, it's not a simple possibility of there being more than one; it's a probability.

Rubicon remains a scumread.

He said or did something to dismantle his wagon. What was it?

Too many people are getting cleared for flavor/softclaims and my reads are becoming a mess.

That's an issue with Venmar games, AP. The scumteam had the same problem in Walking Dead: too many players becoming conftown because of their roles. I considered not joining this game for exactly that reason, in fact: I knew this game was likely to have a similar problem, and if I rolled scum, I'd be doing the exact same ranting I did last game. But I decided I'd roll the die, hope to land town, and trust that Venmar wouldn't actually let that happen.

Will the scumteam have the same problem this game?

By the way, my list would be (pick three):
Dan, Sekai, GiF, Jiffy, Sven, Rubicon. In approximately that order.

They should be in order. If the Vezok's of the game use your list, it weights death towards a certain player. Who do you want that player to be?

Of course, we could flashwagon sekai because PV just obvtownned himself and the wagon on him is pretty bad.

VOTE: sekai no ki.

I doubt the first, but Sekai is still not scum.

[PeregrineV]

Hi

Kinda quick iso-ed vezok and I don't even know man. He's in that aegor, rubicon group of "why would you say this and that junk as town?" except probably a bit more town than those two. I like his kind of "people should play this way even if it means scumreading me" but stuff like #333 where he says "he tries to think outside of rubicon" when he's voting rubicon is just what the heck....
I would probably vote him - not with any confidence - so I much much rather pv.

On that;
@mastin: yeah kinda similar hesitancies about the PV wagon (zdenek and less aegor and even less gif). But his play I'm reading as scummy woo and I feel as if people are willing to bus him but that doesn't explain the speed. Thinking it through later. Need a bit of a timeout on it to navigate reads on that wagon and stuff.

Still don't know where zdenek's stuff is coming from.

Gif's really casual preemptive defence(/inb4 i get scumread) from I forget which post makes me want to re-read him.

Agree that people seem scared to push their sc3 scumreads, and I don't really like that at all, but I think they're town so I'm not pushing that.

Will probably hit up a bit more stuff when I get home today!

Bye

Nice, you forgot 1181.

[PeregrineV]

I want SCB dead more than all of those. In fact, I said that slot was my top nom in 1604, which was earlier than your post with your noms. So I am going to go ahead and follow the plan I laid out.

If Pere flips scum she is a provably bad choice.
If you wanted your plan to be followed you should have advocated your plan.
Stick to the plan, that's the point of the plan.

Because it's been a while since I have. Annoyed but not really upset, since it's just a game. And the lack of actual playing annoys me.

You can't kettle me and me without putting your post-linking where your mouth is.

Where have I "not played" in the last 65 pages?

[PeregrineV]

I've been calling him scum since his first post, go check.

But yeah. Looks like Pere has suddenly stopped trolling, but kinda late on his wagon.

Previous troll links please.

[PeregrineV]

Weren;t you going to clarify Pere for me?

I never said I would and Im not sure what you want me to say.

His post reads very town. Very much unlike scum PV in this game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=34150 if you are into meta reads.

He did absolutely nothing to stop himself from being lynched in that post. Just offered up some words that he could faal back on later as an "I told you so" sort of deal. That isn't scum motivated. If hes scum, he just made a godlike post. No offense to PV, but I find it much more likely that hes actually town and actually annoyed at the chaotic state of the game and his wagon formation.

His flat refusal to offer a nice packaged claim or reads on his way out or "you'll be sorry!!" (although that was implied) strongly looks like someone who doesnt care if they are lynched at this point.

To be honest, that fight with Emogirl had to happen. I was lynched, but won.

Here, I might fight something, but there really is nothing to fight.

[PeregrineV]

Who is SCP?

Falvormeisters of this theme, what are Hunters and Boomers?

Don't think GiF is scum.

[PeregrineV]

Well...the first 63 come to mind as an example.

Generic complaining does not become you. I've posted, so you can use those actual posts as support for your claim. Please do so.

[PeregrineV]

Special Infected. There are 4 (technically 5 if you count the witch) in the original, and I think 4 more in addition in L4D2.

Thx. Who are the bad guys?

[PeregrineV]

Carrier stuff makes is sound like good reasoning for a godfather.

The commercials look interesting but FPS are rarely as good as the commercials look.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: RedCoyote

Don't see a sekai case, and most of her posts read town to me.

As for brain chomping?
Rubicon
Chessball
Alpacazard

But may also chomp Toog replacement. Toog was an early-expectation townread, and his replace out leaves a greater burden on his replacement.

[PeregrineV]

I wasn't talking posts, I was talking pages. Like, your contribution to the game thread in page 64+ is dramatically increased compared to you in 1-63, and anyone who thinks otherwise is insane, lying, or bad at reading the game.

I had 34 posts in pages 1-63, and 9 posts in the last 14 pages. That's about one every 2 pages or so.

As for reads, they've evolved somewhat, but none of them are strong.

In summary, I disagree.

[PeregrineV]

I had 34 posts in pages 1-63, and 9 posts in the last 14 pages. That's about one every 2 pages or so.

As for reads, they've evolved somewhat, but none of them are strong.

In summary, I disagree.

Oh, of course, because *number* of posts equates to the quality of posts.
^^^
Sarcasm

Which of those 34 was I not looking for scum?

Vote: RedCoyote

Don't see a sekai case, and most of her posts read town to me.

As for brain chomping?
Rubicon
Chessball
Alpacazard

But may also chomp Toog replacement. Toog was an early-expectation townread, and his replace out leaves a greater burden on his replacement.

I did meta research to clear Alpaca pretty hard. Please either disprove my research or pay better attention to the thread. I strongly oppose that choice.

Whether or not you see Sekai, as a counter wagon why do you oppose the chomping?
I suppose we should actually do a three way with those, because if say the counter wagon flips scum we shouldn't munch on the alternate wagon, but that's about the only logic I see to opposing it.

Would rather chomp scum or someone I think is scum. I do not think Sekai is scum.


Never saw where you did Alpacazard meta research. I saw this.

Walk me through your thoughts here.
I'll even buy you some breathing room so you can do it proper.

Unvote: Alpahazard

[PeregrineV]

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE. Can, yes. CAN. Can. It COULD come from scum.
NOT DOES.

Of course my posting could come from scum. You're AP. You should have that paranoia of me. I know you, you know me, I expected as much. That's the problem, though. "Could" be scum normally means just that--paranoia of me. But in this game. For whatever reason. "Could be scum" doesn't mean "town, buuuuuut", it means "scumread". That's not "could be scum". That's "cooooooooooooooould be town...".

He is saying that he does not find your posts as if they were coming from a town player. He may be using different words, but that's what they mean.

Why are you arguing semantics?

[PeregrineV]

You're not townreading me. But you know why you're not townreading me? Logic, no. Gut? No. You're not townreading me not because you think I'm scum, but because you're not seeing town. And you know why you're not seeing town? Because you're refusing to see that town.

[PeregrineV]

These are my scum reads of varying degrees;
{Toog, Mastin, Vezok, Pidgey}
Thoughts on each?

Town reads;
{Molla, Rubicon}
Also kinda want to say I had these as town, too;
{Svenskt Stål, dopog}

Thoughts on these would be appreciated too.

How about a most current update to your reads list?

[PeregrineV]

Good copping.

Vote: Rubicon

[PeregrineV]

Need to read back more closely, but here is last night's zombie vig list.

Alpazard
pidgey
Sven

[PeregrineV]

Need to read back more closely, but here is last night's zombie vig list.

Alpazard
pidgey
Sven

And since I had reasons for each, I'll also point those out too.

[PeregrineV]

My list,

PeregrineV
Alpazard
ActionDan

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

While simultaneously praising a Mastin post.

Vote: Rubicon

Also probably town.

Then why you try to munch my brain?

[PeregrineV]

Need to read back more closely, but here is last night's zombie vig list.

Alpazard
pidgey
Sven

And since I had reasons for each, I'll also point those out too.

alpazard- Very similar to the magically evaporating Rubicon wagon day1. Never returned after that.

pidgey- had no read on Rubicon or Alpazard wagon or Mastin.

Sven- his wagon was handily dismantled day1 also. Although posting today looks much better.

[PeregrineV]

PV could very well be scum and should be lynched posthaste.

Because......

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Metal Sonic

3 days of info to use and a chance to inject new opinions/thought/etc. into thread and you give us this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[PeregrineV]

My list,

PeregrineV
Alpazard
ActionDan

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

While simultaneously praising a Mastin post.

Vote: Rubicon

Also probably town.

Then why you try to munch my brain?

bolded is a good reason

Bolded is my question to Zdenek about why he included me in his vig list if he is calling me probably town.

[PeregrineV]

Read my ISO. General dislike for your posts.

Would also be down with a sekai lynch.

I did, which brings me gems like:

VOTE: mastin.

Read the last ten pages. Was bored.

I like Sven's posts more than mastin's, for the record.

Conveniently enough, being bored is one of the motivating factors of me progressively reverting back into my normal self. The post where I explained it fully is currently lost, but basically: while I'm enjoying a LOT of the new stuff, and like the feeling it's given (people are actually treating me like a normal player, rather than some higher-tier master), it's becoming a bit boring to do, and I'm considering adding life to my game.

In particular, there's one thing I could do to instantly become obvtown, and I've been holding back from having done so.

I

really

want you to die.


VOTE: Majiffy

This 30-page meta discussion is both incredibly boring and totally opaque to me, so I probably will never re-read it.

Move vote from Mastin while saying you want Mastin to die but voting Majiffy for obstensbily the same reason you voted Mastin.

To the contrary, I think its time to start consolidating. Ideally, we should be lynching someone in the next couple Days to give us breathing room. Ive had too many games where people derp around until the last minute and keep spamming walls.

This is an awesome post.

Catching up on this game because I don't want to get prodded. I haven't had a chance to read all the posts you guys have made, but based on the ones I've looked at, I have this crazy feeling in my gut that most of you are town, and only a few of you are scum. Assuming that's correct, I also have the distinct impression that those of you who are town (I'm thinking a majority?) don't know who each other are, but the scum do know each other, and might have some form of private communication. I think this might even things out because if the scum players weren't more informed than the town, it would be hard for them to work together, and the town players would have trouble telling the difference.

Let me know if I'm missing anything.

Every single word of this post is

terrible

.

VOTE: Alp

People I want dead:

mastin
BBMolla
SCB
vezok
RC

Can we start consolidating our NK list?

Calling Rubicon's post terrible, yet he didn't make any of your "lynch lists" or vig lists.

[PeregrineV]

I have a theory that scum got the results on another scum and now don't want to reveal it and lose another buddy

wtf are talking about

It seems extremely plausible. Amnesiac cop investigated a scum and sent it to the scum buddy. He did not target Molla again because of the risk that Molla would be dead. Now scum buddy does not want to release result.

i dont understand any off this.

a amnesiac cop = gets the role at start of day, day starts he has no info, night comes, he investigates, gets result, outs result the following day.

is taht wrong?

EDIT:

Peregrinev, the problem is that you claim to be human

I think amnesiac cop does the work, never sees results, they go to another player.

Where did I claim human?

[PeregrineV]

I have a theory that scum got the results on another scum and now don't want to reveal it and lose another buddy

wtf are talking about

It seems extremely plausible. Amnesiac cop investigated a scum and sent it to the scum buddy. He did not target Molla again because of the risk that Molla would be dead. Now scum buddy does not want to release result.

i dont understand any off this.

a amnesiac cop = gets the role at start of day, day starts he has no info, night comes, he investigates, gets result, outs result the following day.

is taht wrong?

EDIT:

Peregrinev, the problem is that you claim to be human

I think amnesiac cop does the work, never sees results, they go to another player.

Where did I claim human?

The thing i bolded, "then why do you want to munch my brains"

My vig list is submitted as "Brains I want to munch."
Because we're zombies.
We munch brains.

[PeregrineV]

@PV:

Why would he make my lists? That one post was merely a ping on my radar. If anything, I appreciate your digging it out because I hard forgotten about it and am now happier with myself for noticing an awful post that others said was NBD.

Because this question was never answered.

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

While simultaneously praising a Mastin post.

Vote: Rubicon

What made Rubicon stop being scum?

I semi-dug for the answers, but haven;t cross-checked yet. With his scum-flip, relevancy has increased.

In contrast to his terrible post, you never said any of his other posts were good, nor gave a read on him. Did you?

[PeregrineV]

I have a theory that scum got the results on another scum and now don't want to reveal it and lose another buddy

Theory doesn't hold water. Not claiming the result would mean the amnesiac cop assumes both are scum.

Yeah, so why did alpazard put forth this incorrect theory?

[PeregrineV]

Have a read? No; he was barely on my radar all game.

Mod: I am voting PV

.

Except at the begining, when he was:

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.1

[0] Majiffy:

[0] Toogeloo:

[0] Sekai No Ki:

[1]

SweatingChessBall3:

RedCoyote

[0] PeregrineV:

[0] RedCoyote:

[3]

Mastin2:

Bulbazak, Nero Cain, Rubicon

[0] Alpazard:

[3]

Aegor:

GuyInFreezer, SweatingChessBall3, Toogeloo

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[0] Bulbazak:

[0] Thor665:

[0] Svenskt Stål:

[3]

Rubicon:

Mastin2, Aegor, BBMolla

[0] ActionDan:

[0] Vezokpiraka:

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[0] AngryPidgeon:

[0] Dopog:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Zdenek:

Not Voting (12):

• Majiffy, Sekai no Ki, PeregrineV, Alpazard, Thor665, Svenskt Stål, ActionDan, Vezokpiraka, Pidgey, AngryPidgeon, dopog, Zdenek

Deadline:

• Saturday, March 8th, 2014

Mod Notes:

• With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.
  
• Thor665 is still yet to confirm.

Votecount 1.2

[0] Majiffy:

[0] Toogeloo:

[1]

Sekai No Ki:

Mastin2

[2]

SweatingChessBall3:

RedCoyote, Thor665

[0] PeregrineV:

[0] RedCoyote:

[2]

Mastin2:

Nero Cain, Rubicon

[2]

Alpazard:

GuyInFreezer, Bulbazak

[2]

Aegor:

SweatingChessBall3, Toogeloo

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[1]

Bulbazak:

dopog

[0] Thor665:

[2]

Svenskt Stål:

ActionDan, Alpazard

[5]

Rubicon:

Aegor, BBMolla, Vezokpiraka, PeregrineV, Zdenek

[0] ActionDan:

[1]

Vezokpiraka:

Svenskt Stal

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[0] AngryPidgeon:

[0] Dopog:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Zdenek:

Not Voting (4):

• Majiffy, Sekai no Ki, Pidgey, AngryPidgeon

Deadline:

• Saturday, March 8th, 2014

Mod Notes:

• With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Votecount 1.3

[0] Majiffy:

[1]

Toogeloo:

BBMolla

[1]

Sekai No Ki:

Mastin2

[2]

SweatingChessBall3:

RedCoyote, Thor665

[0] PeregrineV:

[0] RedCoyote:

[2]

Mastin2:

Nero Cain, Rubicon

[1]

Alpazard:

GuyInFreezer

[1]

Aegor:

SweatingChessBall3

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[1]

Bulbazak:

dopog

[0] Thor665:

[2]

Svenskt Stål:

ActionDan, Alpazard

[4]

Rubicon:

Vezokpiraka, PeregrineV, Zdenek, Toogeloo

[1]

ActionDan:

Bulbazak

[4]

Vezokpiraka:

Svenskt Stal, Aegor, pidgey, AngryPidgeon

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[0] AngryPidgeon:

[0] Dopog:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Zdenek:

Not Voting (2):

• Majiffy, Sekai no Ki

Deadline:

• Saturday, March 8th, 2014

Mod Notes:

• With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Votecount 1.4

[0] Majiffy:

[1]

Toogeloo:

BBMolla

[0] Sekai No Ki

[2]

SweatingChessBall3:

RedCoyote, Thor665

[1]

PeregrineV:

dopog

[0] RedCoyote:

[3]

Mastin2:

Nero Cain, Rubicon, AngryPidgeon

[1]

Alpazard:

GuyInFreezer

[1]

Aegor:

SweatingChessBall3

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[0] Bulbazak:

[0] Thor665:

[2]

Svenskt Stål:

ActionDan, Alpazard

[5]

Rubicon:

Vezokpiraka, PeregrineV, Zdenek, Toogeloo, mastin2

[1]

ActionDan:

Bulbazak

[4]

Vezokpiraka:

Svenskt Stal, Aegor, pidgey, sekai no ski

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[0] AngryPidgeon:

[0] Dopog:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Zdenek:

Not Voting (1):

• Majiffy

Deadline:

• Saturday, March 8th, 2014

Mod Notes:

• With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

I have a theory that scum got the results on another scum and now don't want to reveal it and lose another buddy

Theory doesn't hold water. Not claiming the result would mean the amnesiac cop assumes both are scum.

Yeah, so why did alpazard put forth this incorrect theory?

I don't know. I don't see a scum-advantage in putting it forward. Do you?

Sure. They get the cop to claim. He's smarter than that, but they have to try.

[PeregrineV]

did a cop get a guilty on me? no? then take your vote and put it on someone that actually drew a scum role pm

like gif

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[PeregrineV]

@Vezok

- your complete night action submission list please.

[PeregrineV]

@PV: If you think my votes mean anything that early in the game, you are mistaken.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not a herder.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not a herder.

The (herder) part means that you were targeted by a herder.

What does X5/3 mean?

[PeregrineV]

did a cop get a guilty on me? no? then take your vote and put it on someone that actually drew a scum role pm

like gif

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posting like a metal sonic isnt a scum tell !!!!!!

But you haven't been.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[PeregrineV]

I dont care about your pressure vote sven it proves me nothing regarding strong play, even if you are town.

your reasons to put me as scum are ridiculous

What about if we think you're scum for different reasons?

[PeregrineV]

If you go back to around that time in the game there was a wagon forming on Rubicon that you ignored.

[PeregrineV]

oh well yeah

i thought rubicon was townish

until he was trashed

doesnt mean that im scum though, even if you get that interpretation

For the sake of content i remember having the following reads:

Mastin: Very lightly scum
Toog: Semi Town
Zdenek:Town
Vezok: Scum
Majiffy: Prob Scum
Nero Cain- Looks townish

Rubicon- Prob Scum

Sven- Slightly scum

The rest im still reading and don't have clear ideas about em. Also its a big game and hard to notice everyone.

Vote vezok TM

Spoiler: ppl's read on vezok
ActionDan - not a townread
Aegor - scum
AP - somehow town
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - sheeeeeeeeeep scum
Majiffy - SCUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM
mastin2 - town
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - no read
pidgey - scum
RC - scum

Rubicon - scum

Sven - scum
SC3 - scum
Thor665 - obv NK
Toogeloo - no read
Sekai - scum
Zdenek - scum

and alpa is racking up votes why?

[PeregrineV]

BTW FUCK YOUY peregrine you basically just nitpicked anything regarding rubicon that could frame me into this accusation. Yeah i said rubicon was prob scum on 377 but my read changed into townreading him.Post 1264 is everyone's read on vezok at the time as the fucking header of the post says you dumbshit. It says right there "Spoiler: ppl's read on vezok".

You're right, my bad. 377 is your list of people's vezok reads.

Your Rubicon stance (such as it was) was more non-committal than distancing. Although you lost the scumread on him without him actually posting anything, you started giving him a townread when he started bussing Mastin. First impressions are that that would be bad scumteam etiquette especially day1.

You can go back into null pile for now.

If you vote Metal Sonic.

[PeregrineV]

1. Majiffy
^Scum. I already explained the basics behind it, but basically, Majiffy's posting here is entirely scum-oriented. The best of his posting is "meh", when almost all the rest of it is scun. He puts on a good act, but this is his scumplay.

2. Toogeloo/Newplayer
^I'll need more content before this solidifies, but I remember Toog being fairly town, so a decent townread. Basically, posting seems fairly genuine and looks oriented on scumhunting, rather than manipulating.

3. Sekai no Ki (Fferyllt/Pieguyn Hydra)
^Scum, through-and-through. I've been pounding this one in, but the simplest way of saying it is that their entire posting has zero scumhunting in it, and is entirely focused on manipulating things. They're survivalistic and using basically every trick in the scumbag's handbook.

4. SweatingChessball (DrippingGoofball/Chesskid3 Hydra)
^Also a decent townread. Though they haven't been posting as much as I'd prefer, and their content as of recently has been slightly lackluster, they're still a fairly decent townread, because their thoughts seem to be coming from a town player. Both of them have stances that are easy to see and relate to. Basically, just by extrapolating their posting, you can see that they're town; they've got a clear trajectory that is easily followed, and I can easily understand what gives them their reads.

5. PeregrineV
^Basically conftown thanks to his reaction to being wagoned.

6. RedCoyote
^A minor townread. His posting looks to be his Walking Dead self, in that I can see him thinking those things as town and it has the same basic tone. However, this is not a strong read, because RC's content is absolute crap and he's basically been a hardcore lurker--even active-lurking, because his massive walls? The content in them is mostly useless, and disjointed from his reads.

8. Alpazard (Pitoli/NotScience Hydra)
^Strongish townread. I really liked their reaction to pressure, but beyond that, they've got some good posting which looks to be unique. They strongly look like town who's thinking things through, and coming up with their own reads and reasoning. I've shown some of this, but not all of it.

9. Aegor
^Solid townread, but admittedly a bit of a stale one. Aegor's posting strongly looks town overall, coming from a town mindset. There are parts of the game where when I see his posting, I think "meh". But as a counterpart to Majiffy, that's the WORST in his posting; there are other times where I can clearly see the town in his posting.

10. GuyInFreezer
^Also a decent scumread. Basically, GiF's posting, pure and simple, looks like it comes from a scum mindset. It doesn't look like he's analyzing things. It doesn't look like he's scumhunting. It looks like he already knows the answers, and is posting around that. His reads make no sense from town, either; they use bad reasoning and all-in-all, he comes across as being highly fake.

11. Bulbazak
^One of my strongest townreads. Bulbazak's posting is basically pure town essence. His thoughts line up nearly perfectly with my own. His reasoning, I can see. His read progression and evolution is natural, and not forced. He's analyzing. He's scumhunting. He's not manipulating players; he's trying to figure things out. Add in his early (but highly genuine) AtE, and you've got a solid town player.

12. Thor665
^Probably town. I've really liked Thor's posting overall, but like several others, this is mostly from the beginning. His recent posting is more null, but the only player I can see him as being scum with is apparently town, and even then, that was just a brief theory. His reasoning, I can follow. I can see where he gets his stances from, and actually agree with a fair bit. Though I'm admittedly not good at reading Thor, I do believe that's still a strong indicator of him being town.

13. Svenskt Stål
^Weaker scumread. Sven's largely dropped off my radar. He's been lurking. His earlier posting was bad, and his best posting has been highly "meh". His stances make no sense, and overall, he reads as being highly survivalistic, and also manipulative. However, I CAN see him as being town. Especially given my much stronger scumreads.

14. Rubicon
^Decent scumread, but near the bottom of my list. Rubicon's posting has all been awful. It's just been entirely anti-town, without a shred of pro-town thought. The closest he came to having pro-town content is the post where he basically called most of my suspects scum, and that's another reason I've doubted my scumread on him, since him being scum and me being right about others being scum would require him basically turbo-bussing. HOWEVER, his content since then has gone back to being lurking pieces of trash, not productive, and basically, not town.

15. ActionDan
^Though he was a minor scumread of mine, his claim apparently means he's town, soyeah.

16. Vezokpiraka
^Even without the claim, he was a strong townread. With it, he's conftown.

17. BBMolla
^Identical to Vezok, albeit slightly weaker on both accounts. BBMolla is town.

18. Pidgey
^Nulltown. Pidgey's posting has seemed town at points, but it's entirely lacking, overall, and he has a lot of bad interactions.

19. AngryPidgeon
^Frustratingly, town. This is a town-AP, through-and-through.

20. dopog
^Also town. I've REALLY liked dopog's posting this game. It's unique, it's original, it strongly looks like town forming their own opinion and analyzing things, rather than scum trying to manipulate.

21. Nero Cain
^Though he's gone V/LA, the content Nero's posted has seemed solidly town. So, overall a decent townread, albeit not a strong one. When he returns, I'm fully confident he'll obvtown up in his own unique way.

22. Zdenek
^Among my strongest townreads. Zdenek's posting this game has been right on the money. His thoughts are easy to follow and raise REALLY good points, a lot of which I've agreed with. And even the ones I didn't, I could understand where he came from. He's strongly analyzing things and trying to figure them out, working with others, rather than manipulating them. Bluntly, the only concern I could have about him is that I don't remember a town him having been this competent. That a "too townie to be town" fallacy is literally the only way he's not town should give you a good idea of just how strongly town he is.

[PeregrineV]

These are my scum reads of varying degrees;
{Toog, Mastin, Vezok, Pidgey}
Thoughts on each?

Town reads;
{Molla, Rubicon}
Also kinda want to say I had these as town, too;
{Svenskt Stål, dopog}

Thoughts on these would be appreciated too.

Do you have an updated version of these?

[PeregrineV]

OK, I was hoping that energy would pick up today, but it sure hasn't.

I was sent the cop result.

BBmolla is scum.

Vote: BBmolla

[PeregrineV]

Plz explain the ms vote peregrine earlier

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[PeregrineV]

Uhhhhhhhhh

That makes zero fucking sense with your gameplay today and I'd love to vote bb since i attacked him d1 so this would be great for my reads, but i dont fuckin believe you after reading your iso.

What delayed this information into going publicly

My question is, are you going to read my answer?

AP dies
Mastin lynched
Bulba dies
Rubicon lynched
Thor dies

Bulba could not comment on day1 or night1.

Thor could not comment on day1, night1, day2, or night2.

Why do that again when we have 2 weeks?

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV please confirm this isn't a reaction test

Would be kind of an odd one, why would I do that?

[PeregrineV]

I'm trying to envision how Mastin's reaction to bbmolla could be a partner thing.

Maybe. She rolled over really quickly, like it didn't occur to her to fight back until too late, which seems strange if it was a pre-planned thing with a scum partner. It doesn't feel right, though.

I'm trying to envision how Mastin's reaction to bbmolla could be a partner thing.

Maybe. She rolled over really quickly, like it didn't occur to her to fight back until too late, which seems strange if it was a pre-planned thing with a scum partner. It doesn't feel right, though.

Actually, I was thinking kinda backwards here. Mastin not pushing back hard, especially at the start does look like maybe a reaction to a partner, especially if scum don't have daytalk.

I went back to check the first game to be sure. Scum didn't have day talk in that one. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aXcEGxnwxaPs

I didn't look that closely. Going to go back and check that.

[PeregrineV]

Can I please suffice it to say he's lying or do I need to out the reasons?

Yeah, you should probably tell us why I'm lying.

[PeregrineV]

Let me see more responses. I can literally prove he's lying.

OK.

Proceed.

[PeregrineV]

If at any time you guys realize I'm town and he's scum and we can do this without outting the Amn Cop I'd much prefer that.

How did I become scum all of the sudden?

[PeregrineV]

Yo people, reading here.

[PeregrineV]

And let's just think about this:
1. Why wouldn't PV out this immediately?

2826- We lost 3 VERY GOOD town players for a goon and a used-up rolecop. Not sure I understand the urgency at this point.

2. Why would the Amn cop target me? And, if you believe that, why would the Amn cop send his report to PV of all people?

Good question. Why would he?
For the same reason he sent it to you.

PV is scum attempting to out the Amn Cop.

Why would I do that?

PLEASE trust me and lynch PV here, I promise you he will flip scum and we can stop the Amn Cop from being revealed (Which is his point here!)

I can't flip scum.
Then I would just reveal it, no?

Like I can continue, but in order to prove I'm town I have to out the Amn Cop and I really don't want to.

So we both know who it is, but I'm scum who wants to out him, but your town who does not want to out him, but you will to prove.......what exactly?

[PeregrineV]

Please please please take a leap of faith with me and just lynch PV.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PV

If I am wrong (I literally can't be but if I am) I will self vote tomorrow, no problem.

How about if I'm wrong, the entire town submits me for Zombie vig.

That'd be cool.

[PeregrineV]

There won't be, the Amn Cop is out of shots.

No. But I know who they are and I know they're out of shots.

I'm also a Power Role btw

Well I at least know they didn't do anything last night, I guess they could technically have more shots or have been roleblocked or something?

Then who sent me the message?

[PeregrineV]

Why is PV suddenly missing?

I got married and had kids. Like, a long time ago, but they take up the majority of my non-work time.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, hold on, before anyone else votes I want a claim out of PV. And after he claims wait till I come in and respond before voting.

I'll also say it's a good thing I'm not the amn cop cause I would have probably checked Thor last night lol

2. You are at L-1, you should claim.
My role is public knowledge.

[PeregrineV]

PV,

Why do your latest two posts have nothing that was requested? What is your claim? Explain the guilty result on BBMolla. Explain WTF you are doing.

I didn't target BBMolla, why the hell are you asking me?

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV please confirm this isn't a reaction test

Would be kind of an odd one, why would I do that?

I donno.

I know you're guilty is fake, so explain please?

Nothing to explain. Message from the mod indicating you did not possess a town win condition. And that's about the only paraphrasing I'm going to do.

[PeregrineV]

Tick tock PV, you gotta make something up quick nobody is gonna believe that it takes 10 minutes to check a mod message

(plus I have to go to class so hurry)

No hurry. Lynch me when you get back. When I flip town, then everyone can Zombie vig you tonight.

But, if you are scum, you can stop the zombie vig, I'm sure.

Conversely, if you flip town, then I'm still town, so I can be Zombie vigged. Then we can fight about the "why?" in the dead thread.

[PeregrineV]

Well, this is easy.

1) One of PV and BBMolla must be scum at this point.
2) BBMolla is not a Miller.
3) PV is not reaction-testing.

Thus we lynch one of {BB, PV}. If he flips town, we horde-kill the other. If he flips scum, we horde-kill vezok or some such.

Objections?

Been pretty easy so far, eh?

[PeregrineV]

Got a meeting, but I'll be back to continue this.

[PeregrineV]

So, I think I found earlier why BBmolla was probably investigated.

Both scum didn't fight or struggle. They congratulated BBMolla on outfoxing them and then rolled over.

Not typical scum play when a counterclaim/battle can possibly mislynch a PR.

But, now, it looks like scum rolling over for scum.

Read the pages with Mastin/Rubicon response.

BBmolla scum- result
Sekai No ki- The above was her idea, yet her interest in exploring it evaporated pretty quick. Despite my earlier townread on the slot, I can't fathom it being this bad. Scum.
Majiffy- Majiffy voting the person with WITH the result instead of the RESULT? lol. Scum.

And if you are instead just playing badly this game, you can check out ActionDan (mostly because of BBMolla interactions).

And guys, it was a good try, but it looks like the Amnesiac Cop that BBMolla does/does not know/knows his shots/name and target got three in a row.

Zombie vig him, and when someone else dies instead, lynch him.

[PeregrineV]

VC upcoming

Sorry I quite literally fell asleep in my chair after getting a glass of water. I'll do it now.

If I'm truly dead, can you send me the dead thread link right away. Want to congratulate Mastin on nice try.