Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Majiffy]

Workin a double. Check in tomorrow.

[Majiffy]

Welp, I personally look forward to catching up on 30 pages by the time I get out of work tomorrow.

[Majiffy]

Waiting for the whole game to be restored before I finish catching up.

[Majiffy]

AP you ever tried pulling your head out of your ass?

[Majiffy]

You do realize I was making fun of DGB.

The post was lost

Just go ahead and re-read this quote a few times, then smack your head against your desk for being a derp.

scum feels like they have to, town dont

i get overloaded at work for 2 days, i dont excuse myself

majiffy is, repeatedly

I haven't excused myself from anything.

[Majiffy]

Anyway from what I can remember, BBMolla was a shining beacon of towny-towniness that no one else agrees with, Rubicon was relatively town-looking, everyone wants to lynch him, and no one sees the obvscum of Toog and Vezok. Also Vezok started OMGUSing me.

[Majiffy]

Oh and Mastin is a fucking scumbutt for completely ass-backward reads.

[Majiffy]

Oh and Mastin is a fucking scumbutt for completely ass-backward reads.

She's not the one with backward reads.

Stuff it up yer bumhole. Molla and I will solve this game together without anyone else's help goddamnit.

[Majiffy]

*angry adolescent fist shake*

[Majiffy]

The only thing worse to read than a Mastin wall, is a Mastin wall that sudd

enly goes boldmode halfway through and never lets up.

Also there are way too many people complacent with "Sven/Vezok/Majiffy" scum, and a massively underwhelming amount of arguments being made in favor of any of the three of us. Particularly since Vezok and I have pretty much locked horns, and no one seems to be making a single quip about that, or what it may mean for our alignments.

Scum is probably just riding on the outskirts and cheering on wagons at this point. I'll look into this when we get the next VC.

Waiting for the whole game to be restored before I finish catching up.

Well I don't remember where I stopped and I sure as fuck am not starting over. Also I lost a lot of really good interactions from the lost posts including Vezok's scummy as fuck reaction to me calling him scummy as fuck.

I´d be really interested in you explaining why toog is scum

His post carrying on the "lol im scum" joke looked a lot like towncred-fetching.

Pretty desperately.

Random thought - I want to do another audio mafia

If this happens I would like to be a participant and not the host. Keep me posted.

I guess the disappeared posts are just gone.

Is this confirmed? They're not coming back? I tried to ISO the mod and was disappointed by a lack of formal announcements.

http://s6.postimg.org/9mkn7xsn5/bird.png

Hilarious

and that the wagons on scum players like Rubicon and Sven and Majiffy are completely and entirely forgotten.

And why exactly are we scum, again? Because I don't see you really pushing any of the three of us.

Granted I tend to skip past all of your walls always and forever.

reads on people like Molla who certainly havent posted enough to be probably town yet.

Heavily heavily heavily disagree.

Mastin: I don't think Sven is scum. Read his posts. He is way too cocky and proud to be scum. If he was scum he'd think in another way.

Playstyle is not alignment-dependent. Otherwise, I'd always be town by this logic.

Majiffy on the other hand is the scummiest player still alive.

For reasons you have no idea about, with 22 pages of content.

Righteo.

[Majiffy]

Scum is probably just riding on the outskirts

I agree with this.

reads list incoming, with or without a synch.

Is that a ffery in there?

I'm inclined to agree here.

I think Ffery is reaching out so let me fondle her for a little bit and I'll get back to you on Wapanese-go-suki Slot.

I don't ever really try to read GIF. Find someone else for that.

I'd also be ok with a Mastin lynch.

[Majiffy]

You are either confirmation biasing about this or just assigning scum motivation to Majiffy's post because you are scum.

No. I can read Majiffy, and I can tell that he is scum.

In what games have you had a town alignment and accurately read me as town?
In what games have you had a town alignment and accurately read me as scum?

For what reasons is my performance in this game more akin to my scum-play than my town-play?

This and more, being answered half-assedly if at all by a ScumMastin at 11!

[Majiffy]

Hi. I don't have Mollie to depend on reading half the players in this game so we're going to have to make nice-nice unlike other games where we don't speak ever.

[Majiffy]

These are my scum reads of varying degrees;
{Toog, Mastin, Vezok, Pidgey}
Thoughts on each?

Town reads;
{Molla, Rubicon}
Also kinda want to say I had these as town, too;
{Svenskt Stål, dopog}

Thoughts on these would be appreciated too.

[Majiffy]

I always speak to you. I just don't pay much attention to your reads before day 2.

Well that's what I mean by speak.

Obviously we maintain a friendly demeanor.

[Majiffy]

Oh nope nevermind looking at Dopog's ISO his avatar reminds me that he was in the scum pile.

[Majiffy]

Great, I accept your apology and admission that you have no idea how to read me and because you have gotten successful with a few weak scumreads in games I have flipped scum, you somehow think you understand my town game.

Piss off.

[Majiffy]

Your horn lock is immensely forgettable.
Why aren't you sheeping me - man who isn't advancing much worth yelling about?

You mean Vezok's "Majiffy is the scummiest person in the game" while offering absolutely nothing but "lolgut" with 22 pages of content isn't something worth yelling about?

And I haven't a townread on you yet, so why would I sheep you? Also, when have I ever really sheeped you?

These are my scum reads of varying degrees;
{Toog, Mastin, Vezok, Pidgey}
Thoughts on each

Toog doesn't seem to be taking as wide a view as I recall from the WD game. Nacho told me during that game that when Toog is town he's obvtown. I'm not seeing that yet, though I thought his run at zdenek looked townish (though IMO misguided).

Still sticking with my townread perhaps out of spite at this point. If I'm correct I'll be invoking bragging rights.

Take a look at his early-game where he continues the "lol I'mma scum" joke and tell me that doesn't read as scum trying to fetch towncred.

Molla's been meh enough that I'm thinking null-scum atm. He's a player who's seen scum-me in a game, as well as modded a game where I was scum. With all the crap swirling in the thread I'm surprised he hasn't taken a stance.

Considering a good 15-20% of the crap is about him, I'd say he's a bit busy.

He picked up on a lot of things about Toog and Vezok I did, that no one else seemed much to consider scummy. I give him major townpoints for those.

[Majiffy]

These people really need to step their game up or get dunked: DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Majiffy

Don't you go lumping me in with a bunch of rejects from herpderp summer camp.

[Majiffy]

Yeah I don't know much of anything about L4D2, but I am an avid player and fan of the original.

[Majiffy]

Do you think Rubicon and mastin are scum together?

At the moment, I'm all that sold on Rubicon being scum. Mainly because while he was under attack, he defended PV, who's usually a pretty easy target for a counter-wagon.

I don't think A meets B meets C here. Or otherwise I am thoroughly confused.

The only interpretation I can make that makes any semblance of sense is you linking a bunch of players to alignments based on associatives of unflipped players, which is arguably one of the worst methods of scumhunting ever partaken.

[Majiffy]

Do you think Rubicon and mastin are scum together?

At the moment, I'm all that sold on Rubicon being scum. Mainly because while he was under attack, he defended PV, who's usually a pretty easy target for a counter-wagon.

I don't think A meets B meets C here. Or otherwise I am thoroughly confused.

The only interpretation I can make that makes any semblance of sense is you linking a bunch of players to alignments based on associatives of unflipped players, which is arguably one of the worst methods of scumhunting ever partaken.

[Majiffy]

Ffery I would really like to either get a Toog or Vezok lynch today and help would be appreciated since apparently half the jackasses in this game aren't listening to me.

[Majiffy]

OMGUS

Stop sucking at this game.

[Majiffy]

Hi GIF.
Why are you townreading me?
Why are you townreading Toog?
Would you consider a Vezok wagon?

[Majiffy]

Note: Questions A and B can be ignored if Question C is answered with an unequivocal "Yes" and a vote.

[Majiffy]

Also why is Molla asterisked? That's actually kind of important.

[Majiffy]

Nevermind that's an up arrow I am blind.

[Majiffy]

What's your GiF read? Right now, he's pretty lonely in my town-and-worth-listening-to pile.

We'll see. I haven't read much of anything from him in the inital 10-12 pages I read before sitecrash, so I'm trying to feel him out now.

It's not asterisk, but an arrow pointing upward. Meaning Molla is in between the "inner" and "outer"
P-Edit: lol

Ok you can go back to explaining why Toog and I are townreads and whether or not you will vote Vezok.

Eh, not really. The only two players that are linked at all in that are Rubicon and Peregrine. Scum Rubicon probably doesn't defend either town-Peregrine (probably a viable counter-wagon) or scum-Peregrine (no reason to risk associative tells defending a buddy at that moment).

So I don't understand why Rubi's actions are at all telling of PV's alignment or even his own with this really bad associative position.

So we're back to me being confused about your bumfuck do-nothing scumhunting.

[Majiffy]

As in, I find your posts not overly-aggressive. I do have some twitches on seeing no aggression at all, but I'm counting that on you just being lazy regardless of your alignment.

Didn't we just go over about how my aggressiveness, lack thereof, laziness, etc. is neither a towntell nor a scumtell? Jesus.

Whatever, I'll let it ride for a while.

Gut. Content wise I would put him at null. But my gut likes his post, especially 514.

What do you think about his post where he continued the "I'm scum hurr hurr" argument that looks an awful lot like towncred-fishing to me?

I could. I don't mind lending vote on someone who's in "The Rest" reads.

Feel free to plaec voat.

Try reading the discussion again. Hint: I'm not saying anything about PV's alignment.

I figured it out. You typoed or otherwise left some words out that made the statement ambiguously herpderp.

[Majiffy]

Vezok could be town.

Consider;

what makes dopog town

also you should be able from memory say what you didnt like regardning majiffy

It was a gut read. I mean I read and I thought it was scummy cause of something that rubbed me the wrong way. I don't remember what exactly.

Majiffy on the other hand is the scummiest player still alive.

Nothing more substantive presented in between.

Still a town read? Shouldn't be.

[Majiffy]

pidgey is prob town for his "lol heres my reads withallth ese typos aye wat your post makes no fuckin sense Im startin to scum read you bro" or whatever. Feels enough like unconcerned town to make me like him.

so all I have to do is start posting with typos for the rest of the game whilst making hollow assertions and you'll call me town too?

Works for Kanye.

[Majiffy]

It didn't look forced to be "hur hur gimme towncred" posts.

Guess I better bus.

Unvote;
Vote: Aegor

In context, this is unquestionably a towncred fish. Click the link, read back from the page before.

Feel free to plaec voat.

But then if I do I might anger papa smurf :<

Papa Smurf can stuff it.

[Majiffy]

AP your townread on PV bugs me, he's the lurking scum, the other scum are probably big names.

pidgey is the lurking scum IMO.

Yesplz.

[Majiffy]

I'm going to put my vote here for now:

VOTE: majiffy

u r dum dum

[Majiffy]

Lol fuck you Ap you are probably fkn scum your case on me is "o he has easy targets" what the fuck is that shit and why are they easy no one is even moving their votes to them

In case ppl are doubting pidgey town

What's so town about this?

[Majiffy]

I read those when I was hyperactive. I didn't feel any "I wanna towncred" feel on those posts. It just looked smooth and natural, as in town-natural.

Maybe you should read them again, then. In context. And see how much of an obvious credgrab it was.

Lol fuck you Ap you are probably fkn scum your case on me is "o he has easy targets" what the fuck is that shit and why are they easy no one is even moving their votes to them

In case ppl are doubting pidgey town

What's so town about this?

First of all it is too blatant of a scum move to outright OMGUS him at this point.
Second of all the frustration looks real even though I personally think it's bit too early.

Ok first of all too scummy to be scum is not a real defense.
Second of all scum can be frustrated for being caught herp derp da herp berp kerp.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4772429
^ Imma let you finish, but this is the greatest scum claim ever posted.

Subtlety is the true master.

[Majiffy]

when I was the only remaining scum left in a town with a cop and a doctor in my way

Jiffy would have faked a guilty on the cop, gotten the doc to lynch the cop, killed the doc and still managed to win in LYLO by saying the guilty was a faked gambit because I didn't believe the cop claim and I wanted to draw the NK after lynching scum.

[Majiffy]

You quitting pussy.

[Majiffy]

when I was the only remaining scum left in a town with a cop and a doctor in my way

Jiffy would have faked a guilty on the cop, gotten the doc to lynch the cop, killed the doc and still managed to win in LYLO by saying the guilty was a faked gambit because I didn't believe the cop claim and I wanted to draw the NK after lynching scum.

It was a tough crowd.

Try harder.

Yell louder.


Besides, the dumber you play it, the more people will think you're town for it.

[Majiffy]

I'm trying my wall catchup method bc I'm too far behind. come at me bros

And on that day, not a single link was clicked.

Welcome to the party jiffy, i only want to mason if you are town, can you convince me pretty please brah?

Sure. I'm town. Convinced?

red equals no. i dont care if mastin is fucking howling at the top of his lungs or how much life his walls sucks out of me, he puts in work and he is a good player, very very bad day 1 lynch

This is always a shit argument and I love it when people don't lynch me as scum for this.

The first post illustrates how Majiffy says that his aggressiveness or lack of it is not a tell.
Then as a self conscious scum he starts getting very aggressive to the point of calling someone a pussy.
This thing strikes me the wrong way.
This is what I can put into words right now.

The pussy post was clearly an obvious joke.

God you are such a scumbutt.

Unvote

Vote Majiffy

I'm more sure about this one.

Go on.

Vote: Sven

Sven is town. Move your vote to Vezok.

ignored because, #lolbulba

I know he's an idiot, but stop being anti-town.

I like Sven's posts more than mastin's, for the record.

snip

I

really

want you to die.


VOTE: Majiffy

This 30-page meta discussion is both incredibly boring and totally opaque to me, so I probably will never re-read it.

You really want Mastin to die but you're voting me.

I'll let you think on that for a moment.

[Majiffy]

Updated reads.
{Toogeloo,

Sekai no Ki

, Mastin2,

Vezokpiraka

,

Pidgey

,

dopog

}
{Bulbazak,

Svenskt Stål,

Rubicon,

BBMolla

}

[Majiffy]

Oh yeah Zdenek is town too

[Majiffy]

No those are the scumbutts. Hence the two bracketed groups.

Do try and keep up, Sven.

[Majiffy]

You're part of the town group with Molla, Rubi, Zdenek and Bulba.

[Majiffy]

care to join me on dopog?

Why won't you join me in a Vezok stringing-uping-and-hanging-from-the-trees?

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

What do you mean by nothing happening?

[Majiffy]

what do you think bro?

the wagon has not gotten any interest in days

That only adds to my suspicions.

This is probably the best explanation of Majiffy-scum. He's going after targets that would be easy and convenient for him to push, and his pushes are mainly based on non-alignment indicative things that he can make look bad. Check out his current scum cases: Lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS.

I also had a lot more in the lost posts, but this summarizes things rather nicely.

My cases aren't "lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS", so good job summarizing absolutely nothing.

I'll wait while you make a real argument. Or you could pull your head out of your ass and vote Vezok.

[Majiffy]

Sven look at the general ease of other wagons forming, then look at the resistance to VezokWagon without anyone even so much as really talking about why. There seem to be a lot of people complacently placing Vezok in the scum pile, but won't put their money where their mouth is. And god forbid you question the fact that Vezok is pushing - at 36 pages in - a scumread on me as being strong and solid based on "gut feels" from early-game.

[Majiffy]

My cases aren't "lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS", so good job summarizing absolutely nothing.

You are calling Dopog scum for lurking, Vezok scum for having a gut scumread on you, and Toogeloo scum for BSing in RVS. I think I summarized things rather well.

Dopog is a weak read, and I'm not really pushing it.
Vezok is scum for having a fake read on me, which I

am

pushing.
Toog is scum for making an attempt at town-cred. And much like Vezok, instead of directly approaching it, it's being ignored entirely.

And when Vezok and Toog flip scum, we'll have a lot of wonderful associatives to look at.

So, now, are you going to actually look at the reasons I'm scumreading players, or are you going to just keep living in a fantasy world?

[Majiffy]

To clarify, the read on Dopog isn't for lurking, either.

[Majiffy]

Sven look at the general ease of other wagons forming, then look at the resistance to VezokWagon without anyone even so much as really talking about why. There seem to be a lot of people complacently placing Vezok in the scum pile, but won't put their money where their mouth is. And god forbid you question the fact that Vezok is pushing - at 36 pages in - a scumread on me as being strong and solid based on "gut feels" from early-game.

Is he in a lot of scumpiles? I thought he'd been moved up a little by at least some people who were originally scumreading him.

Seem(s/ed) like it.

I reckon he's scum that everyone was willing to bus if necessary, and since there is little-to-no townie support, the wagon won't grow.

[Majiffy]

Big Yellow, but I figure if I bus Vezok hard enough, everyone will celebrate my universal towniness upon his scumflip.

[Majiffy]

Did I mention he's a super-powerful PR and that will totally go in the direction of JiffyCred?

[Majiffy]

I don't typically go team-hunting until very late-game, usually LYLO or close.

[Majiffy]

#LOLBULBA

Vote Vezok and stop cluttering up the thread with useless bullshit.

Dopog isn't happening today.

[Majiffy]

Why the fuck would we lynch a lurker over someone empirically scummy?

You are being a serious pain in the dick right now.

[Majiffy]

4) Can I pat myself on the back for reading 4 before 1-3?

1) Vezok can get lynched today, it's the lackadaisical attitude being taken to the wagon that's stopping it from happening.
2) I don't think there's a single "x is scum" concensus. It's day one and - oh, right - we're playing fucking Mafia.
3) The fuck are you talking about?

Also your 1-3 could be made as the same argument by substituting Dopog's name, so maybe you shouldn't be voting there either?

[Majiffy]

So, now, are you going to actually look at the reasons I'm scumreading players, or are you going to just keep living in a fantasy world?

I am looking at the reasons. I'm saying they suck, are piddly, and that I would expect more from you if you were town.

VEZOK LITERALLY SAID WITH 33 PAGES OF CONTENT IN THE GAME THAT I AM THE SCUMMIEST PERSON. WHILE EARLIER ADMITTING THAT HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A LEGITIMATE REASON FOR THINKING I AM SCUM. AND HE DID NOT ELABORATE. AND STILL HAS NOT ELABORATED.

IT CAN NOT BE ANY FUCKING CLEARER. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST OPEN YOUR EYES.

[Majiffy]

what makes dopog town

also you should be able from memory say what you didnt like regardning majiffy

It was a gut read. I mean I read and I thought it was scummy cause of something that rubbed me the wrong way. I don't remember what exactly.

Majiffy on the other hand is the scummiest player still alive.

Nothing more substantive presented in between.

Still a town read? Shouldn't be.

It does not get any more fucking clear-cut than that.

[Majiffy]

And you're a blubbering idiot who can't read, so...

[Majiffy]

Oh and since you were around I think you'll rightly remember that his entire scumread is nothing more than OMGUS. I wasn't scum to Vezok until I called him scummy.

[Majiffy]

Maybe you should vote Vezok then, AP.

[Majiffy]

Oh my vote must have gotten lost in the tigers.

VOTE: Vezok

[Majiffy]

Oh and since you were around I think you'll rightly remember that his entire scumread is nothing more than OMGUS. I wasn't scum to Vezok until I called him scummy.

And does this surprise you, given his play?

It doesn't surprise me, given the fact that he's a scummy mcscumbutt.

Which is why you should be voting him.

[Majiffy]

And you find me scummy because you're an idiot who can't read.

Righteo.

[Majiffy]

Meanwhile, in the world of Aegor...

Hi buddy, how ya doin'?

[Majiffy]

Lets go ISO hunting, shall we?

Ctrl+F "Maj"

Hit number 1

Not getting why people are not voting Majiffy.

Hit number 2

I like Sven's posts more than mastin's, for the record.

snip

I

really

want you to die.


VOTE: Majiffy

This 30-page meta discussion is both incredibly boring and totally opaque to me, so I probably will never re-read it.

And hits 3+4 are in the above post.

So where is your "compelling reason" I'm scum?

[Majiffy]

Your scumhunting attempts are nonexistent and your posts contain verbal abuse. That is more than enough for me at this time.

I know this isn't math class, but I'd really like you to show your work.

Like, you know, quotes. Or something.


Take your time. I'll wait.

[Majiffy]

You're adorable.

[Majiffy]

So lets see;
You won't offer any examples of my "nonexistent" scumhunting attempts.
You won't explain why abusive behavior is alignment-telling.
And you have 'undertones' (I prefer 'feels') that I'm not town.

Compelling. Very compelling.

[Majiffy]

]You won't offer any examples of my "nonexistent" scumhunting attempts.

Do you realize what you are asking? How I can point out examples of something that does not exist? Anyone looking at your ISO will come to the same conclusion I did.

Then feel free to show all of my posts and explain why there's no attempt to scumhunt.

You won't explain why abusive behavior is alignment-telling.

I never said it was.

You certainly listed it under "reasons Majiffy is scum".
Do you disagree with this?

And you have 'undertones' (I prefer 'feels') that I'm not town.

Correct.

And I'm getting undertones that you're bad at this game.

[Majiffy]

Is this the chess or the ball?

[Majiffy]

Bah, getting late. Off to sleepland.

[Majiffy]

Why do you think scum-him did this? I don't understand your previous response to me about him either.

Did what, failed to elaborate? Because it's a comfy spot to sit his vote, and he's got nothing backing it up. It's not like he's

intentionally

being a scumbutt; he just

is

one.

I don't know what response you're talking about.

[Majiffy]

Up until now I could not read you at all.
This post just strikes me the wrong way. You are not misguided townie like sven is. You are scum that is pushing an easy wagon (in your mind) cause now you have the support of your scumbuddy majiffy.

I nearly died laughing. You're not even trying to hide your alignment anymore.

[Majiffy]

Sven hop on the Vezok wagon it's warm and juicy.

[Majiffy]

Vezok wagon isn't going nowhere.

Also I enjoy my status as 'guardedly town but also bad'

[Majiffy]

Vezok wagon isn't going nowhere.

Dude, do you even lift?

You mirin my aesthetics bro?

Also I enjoy my status as 'guardedly town but also bad'

Shame that's not the read you got then.

Sven is now town in my opinion.
Guardedly, so is Majiffy.

I actually agree with the issues raised about AP's reaction, and do find that scummish.
Chessball remains quite scummy though, and is coloring my perception of that take.

Majiffy remains bad also.

Looks an awful lot like it.

[Majiffy]

Where'd you get your information from, HUH?
You think that you can front when revelation comes?
Yaaaa, you can't front on that.

So whatcha whatcha whatcha want?

[Majiffy]

Did Thor just scum slip About his majiffy read :/

No, pretty sure the first one was supposed to be Mastin. I'm just being a dick about it.

[Majiffy]

Can we wait until she NKs Thor? His beard is scraggly and disagreeable this game.

[Majiffy]

My Zdenek town read is eroding.

Hold strong, I read a post that felt firmly town from him.

[Majiffy]

What exactly is your point to this line of questioning, Aegor? I don't see how this helps you discern his alignment or anyone else's.

[Majiffy]

What exactly is your point to this line of questioning, Aegor? I don't see how this helps you discern his alignment or anyone else's.

Would you mind posting a list of Majiffy-approved questions, so that we can all make sure we are acquiring information that you find productive in a way that you find productive?

Dodging the question.

How does your asking him what other ISOs are devoid of anything going to help you figure out his alignment?

VOTE: vezok

Yeeeeeeahhhhh buddy!

[Majiffy]

VOTE: vezok

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Shaddup and get up on dis here Vizzyvok waguhn.

[Majiffy]

.

[Majiffy]

I'm sure post 1015 will be infinitely useful in the discernment of my alignment, you are so very insightful to the nature of this game.

You're still dodging the fucking question; you asked him a question. There must be a purpose behind asking the question - what is your purpose?

[Majiffy]

What kind of information do you look to acquire? In what ways does the anticipated information help you discern alignment?

You're really starting to piss me off.

[Majiffy]

I would be pushing the everliving hell out of you if I didn't think it'd dismantle the Vezok wagon, just so you're aware of your standing with me.

[Majiffy]

Caught up on my phone.

Dopog is pretty clearly town now.

Nothing else has changed for me.

[Majiffy]

Self: Page 46

[Majiffy]

Disregard, self. Nothing important has happened.

Why isn't Vezok the obvscum dead yet?

[Majiffy]

How is he obv. scum? I must have missed the obviousness of it.

You mean like how his read on me makes zero sense, and he shows absolutely no prerogative to scumhunt?

Majiffy what does the flowchart say I should do to

save myself until I can beg my buddies for help in night phase

lynch scum

I have identified the enemy, and it's name is Vezok.

Why did the majiffy wagon that was forming disolved? Why is vezok not LYNCHED D ADASJFPAWFNWFA KILL HIM

Are you in this game or just kind of

flying under the radar

?

Spoiler: ppl's read on vezok

ActionDan - not a townread
Aegor - scum
AP - somehow town
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - sheeeeeeeeeep scum
Majiffy - SCUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM
mastin2 - town
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - no read
pidgey - scum
RC - scum
Rubicon - scum
Sven - scum
SC3 - scum
Thor665 - obv NK
Toogeloo - no read
Sekai - scum
Zdenek - scum

MAJIFFY WHERE ARE YOU I NEED TO SHEEP TO SAVE MY SKIN

Vezok.

I've been showing his name from the rooftops since I first got in this game.

I've tried wagoning DGB/Vezok/pidgey and no one is interested

Alp, if you're town, Toog is the scum on your wagon g

Oh wow look at that, another person Majiffy has been calling scum since gamestart. What are the fucking odds.

GIF is there anyone else we can wagon

Seriously

Vezok
dopog

Yes.
No. Definitely not.


In that order.

unvote, vote PV

We still need vezok dead btw

YOU'RE NOT HELPING.

Oh right he's your buddy and you're bad at bussing.

[Majiffy]

*shouting, not showing.

[Majiffy]

Currently not really flying under the radar but havent really gotten a grasp of the game since my V/LA

Nice of you to put pressure on that one guy that just came back as if he was "flying under the radar" lol, classy act and no wonder you are still scummy

Well considering you haven't answered any of my questions, you clearly aren't reading, etc...

Looks an awful lot like flying under the radar. Your excuses and deflections are noted, however.

Why did the majiffy wagon that was forming disolved? Why is vezok not LYNCHED D ADASJFPAWFNWFA KILL HIM

Are you in this game or just kind of

flying under the radar

?

Lol'd.

Why the fuck people have me as scummiest read and not voting me? Is there something I haven't been informed about?

My read on majiffy has improved just because of that.

More PV votes please.

Thor is PV's buddy.

Thor's been looking townish.

[Majiffy]

Especially in a game we have a mass vig where I think giving everyone a list of Action Dan or Vezok is palatable to everyone, as literally no one has really come in and called that list bad. I agree he needs death, I disagree that he needs lynch.

Then we lynch one and kill the other?

I don't see how this is a hard concept.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy- What questions exactly

Some 800+ (probably) posts back I asked you why and how you can have both myself and Vezok as scumreads.

I don't see how you presume my support of their death equates to a desire to lynch them.

[Majiffy]

I don't find it hard to understand, I just find it dumb.

[Majiffy]

So despite the fact that you see me initially scumreading Vezok for similar reasons as your initial scumread on the slot, you decide that I'm scum because lolomgus?

Piss off.

[Majiffy]

In other news, the missing posts still aren't back. Fuckin' A.

[Majiffy]

I'm pretty well acquainted with awkward town, NS. This isn't it.

[Majiffy]

The feels are all wrong. Not to mention his general response to pressure, reactions, etc. since I and others started pushing him.

[Majiffy]

ROFL you are so full of shit it isnt even funny
You called me out for "Going under the flow of the game" when I clearly indicated i was V LA
Then you say im scum for not answering questions
Then you call me scum for saying I omgus which isnt a fucking scum tell at all.
Fuck you scum.

You were doing it before you went VLA.
You aren't answering questions.
OMGUS can be a scumtell if it's the entirety of your scumhunting efforts.

Hey can you tell me how exactly you didnt like my "general response to pressure" fkn scumbo.

We were talking about Vezok, but thanks for your overly self-conscious reply!

[Majiffy]

We went through this last page, Pidgey.

[Majiffy]

Yeah, that's why I said we just went through this last page you fucking moron.

[Majiffy]

But if you want to be a snotty shithead, there's also the follow-up;

So despite the fact that you see me initially scumreading Vezok for similar reasons as your initial scumread on the slot, you decide that I'm scum because lolomgus?

Piss off.

Also unanswered.

Plus, I don't know, like 50 pages of content including lots of questions from lots of players for you.

[Majiffy]

Pedit- The fact that you had a scumread n vezok says nothing to me when I see you going at me for incredibly weak reasons and just going with the flow of another player's read.

"Going at you"? For what, having a scumread on you? I'm not pushing you, I'm not advocating your lynch, I'm not forwarding a case.

Next I bet you'll say I'm the scummiest player still alive, day 1 with 30 pages of content and nothing offered as to why I'm scummy or something.

Oh wait, Vezok already beat you to the punch on that one.



If you're town, you are complete shit at this game.

[Majiffy]

Granted, you're shit as scum, too, but less so. You could just be a bad scum player.

[Majiffy]

What the fuck are you even on about?

[Majiffy]

Whatever substances you like to indulge in before you get behind a keyboard, stop.

[Majiffy]

Let me rephrase. You say that I shouldnt have a scum read on you solely on the fact that you are not pushing for a lynch on me or heavily attacking me.

I wasn't using the not-pushing or heavily-attacking as a refutation of your read. I was referring to your "going for you" bit. Because I'm clearly not "going for you" in any stretch.

The fact remains that you are still calling me scum and forming a read on me that, in my opinion, comes from absolute crap.

Well you're entitled to your opinion.

You don't have to do any of what you mention for me to have a read on you.

"Going for me" was just a way of meaning that.

Fkn scumbo.

Going for you is a way of meaning what? You're not making any sense.

You know what's dumb?
Ignoring that I've had a vote in play when trying to cut a deal about people and acting like my vig list is also my top scum list when I was voting elsewhere when I made said list.
Derpa.

Frankly, you're not enough of a presence this game for me to know where your vote is, who your scumreads are, or anything.

But that's on you.

Does ANYONE have an issue with this as the Vig list;

ActionDan
or
Vezok

I do.

I wanna lynch Vezok D1.

If i remember correctly i was town and he was so fuckin wrong.

lol that was my favorite game

I just really want vezok

unvote, vote vezok

Oooh, dat bus

If i remember correctly i was town and he was so fuckin wrong.

Not only were you town, you were cop confirmed town and we lynched you anyways.

Fucking lol.

[Majiffy]

I wasn't referring to wagons. I was talking about who we're thinking about voting and how strongly we're thinking about them.

What's wrong with a Vezok lynch?

[Majiffy]

I wasn't referring to wagons. I was talking about who we're thinking about voting and how strongly we're thinking about them.

What's wrong with a Vezok lynch?

I haven't liked his wagon

[Majiffy]

Even when you're town, how often do you tunnel on town day 1?

My sample size says almost always.

I hit scum every once in a while on D1. Pieguy in Mobile Suit. Other scum in other games I can't remember because I'm not a computer. Etc.

[Majiffy]

Not my fault townies can be scummy and D1's usually aren't scum lynches because town:scum ratio.

[Majiffy]

Look at my ISO and tell me what posts do you feel come from a scum mindset.

All of them.

[Majiffy]

I'll illustrate an actual case later when I'm not feeling incredibly lazy.

[Majiffy]

I'd rather kill off Vez than Alhazard.

Then vote him?

So, let's say magic happens and we lynch Vezok.
Are you happy with an Action Dan zombie feeding?

Yep.

[Majiffy]

Ffery when are you going to Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Flowchart?

[Majiffy]

I will take all of the above as endorsement.

Now that you have my vote on an AD vig can I have your vote for a Vezok lynch?

[Majiffy]

Ffery when are you going to Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Flowchart?

I don't think I'll ever get tired of refining my own methodology.

Let me help you out with that.

[Majiffy]

lolnope.

Can't blame a brother for tryin'.

[Majiffy]

Can't blame a brother for tryin'.

[Majiffy]

I wasn't referring to wagons. I was talking about who we're thinking about voting and how strongly we're thinking about them.

What's wrong with a Vezok lynch?

He's town.

[Majiffy]

Aegor's town.

My townread on the slot has diminished greatly.

[Majiffy]

P-edit: You expect moderators to read their own games carefully? And analyze the ins and outs of your scumplay? And to be accountable for it?

Oh thank god I'm not the only one that doesn't read shit.

[Majiffy]

Ffery, it's no secret that I can't read you. I've stated this over and over. Heck, I can't even read Cabd, and we've hydra'd together. I was only able to catch him recently via an inconsistency, and I still wasn't confident enough to push it. Perhaps if I did, we would have won that game. You are, and probably always will be, one of those players that I take my time in devoloping a read on.

Are you actually saying that I'm harder to read than Cabd?

I typically don't read either of you.

[Majiffy]

I read that post as a joke.

p-edit: @ffery

[Majiffy]

Oh right Mastin is scum in this game.

[Majiffy]

Oh. I stopped reading his posts when I got a townread on him.

p-edit: Is there a PV case? Probably not nearly as good as my Vezok case.

p-edit2: STOP FUCKING POASTING GAWD DAMMIT GUIZ

[Majiffy]

Scumclaim, 'cause every town player is a vig.

With this logic, scum is a vig too, since they collaborate on a single name to kill someone.
That must mean I claimed survivor.

Neutral third parties are anti-town because they can side with scum in LYLO.

Survivor is now a scum claim.

[Majiffy]

I need to go back to not reading Bulba's posts.

[Majiffy]

Can we lynch Vezok FFS. Today ended like 4 days ago.

This tbh. It's like we're in twilight without an actual lynch wagon.

[Majiffy]

Just look at how fast the scum

cw'ed.

You're right! This is why we should lynch Vezok.

[Majiffy]

New Zombie Nom List

Vezok *or* Pere (presumption is we lynch one of them, nom nom other)
Action Dan
Rubicon

*thumbs up*

[Majiffy]

Otherwise, l expect abject apologies after my flip. In iambic pentameter.

Oh, and a tribute avatar wouldn't go amiss either.

[Majiffy]

Do you like my pretty avatar I made for you AP?

[Majiffy]

Um why is vezok's claim a town claim again?

Like, literally I don't get it.

Agreed. I really don't believe his claim.

Also very unclearly explained and seems really weak for a SI.

[Majiffy]

Um why is vezok's claim a town claim again?

Like, literally I don't get it.

Agreed. I really don't believe his claim.

Also very unclearly explained and seems really weak for a SI.

Didn't either of you play in the last game?

Like, go read the last game, study the "power level" of the PRs and how they were built, and then come back and tell me you don't think it makes sense in this game.

1) There was a last game?
2) Loleffort

[Majiffy]

1) There was a spiritual predecessor.
2) Then take my word for it - your reasoning is specious and without merit.

Don't you use big words with me in that tone of voice, mister.

Also, majiffy, next time you chivvy me to vote with you on day 1, I'll probably link to this game and stick with lolnope.

Why? Because an unflipped player I'm scumreading claimed non-VT? Oh boy, how wrong that Majiffy was!

Falvormeisters of this theme, what are Hunters and Boomers?

Special Infected. There are 4 (technically 5 if you count the witch) in the original, and I think 4 more in addition in L4D2.

nope.

Vote someone.

VOTE: Mastin

yesplz we can has this now

[Majiffy]

Hm I must have forgotten to copy/paste the quote response where I voted.

VOTE: Mastin

[Majiffy]

Special Infected. There are 4 (technically 5 if you count the witch) in the original, and I think 4 more in addition in L4D2.

Thx. Who are the bad guys?

Here.

Probably not all 8, though, because that'd be a lot of scum.

[Majiffy]

I like Francis.

[Majiffy]

The commercials look interesting but FPS are rarely as good as the commercials look.

First one was really good. I've heard the second is pretty meh in comparison.

It's a lot of fun to get 1-4 people playing together on it. One of the few good party games around these days.

[Majiffy]

As grand as that vote (I mean ffery's heart really isn't into her scumgame right now and its obvious), I don't think we can get enough people to vote her?

Don't deviate from the Mastin. We're so close.

[Majiffy]

Mastin, why do you still have a scum read on Rubicon?

Clinging to her gods and her guns or something like that.

[Majiffy]

Also, before day closes, I hope to have a better grasp of Thor's posting. I'm offput by his focus on the town nks and the way he's trying to shape the three submissions, but there are other things he's posted that I feel are kinda towny. Some distance and review may change that read.

TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

[Majiffy]

And TownMajiffy's approach is tailored to work just as well when Majiffy is scum. It's optimized for Majiffy-wins, not town-wins. We've been over this territory before, I think.

As I was saying...

TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

[Majiffy]

And TownMajiffy's approach is tailored to work just as well when Majiffy is scum. It's optimized for Majiffy-wins, not town-wins. We've been over this territory before, I think.

As I was saying...

TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

inorite?

[Majiffy]

Mollie feels confident there's a difference in my town and scum play. Maybe you can find that key and apply it to Thor.

[Majiffy]

Shrug.

[Majiffy]

Shrug.

What's your opinion of Thor?

Town.

[Majiffy]

Okay.

Then we should lynch me.

[Majiffy]

Hey one question, if we make mastin claim are we going to again back down and make another fucking wagon and make another person claim?

Probably.

[Majiffy]

Why the fuck is the Mastin wagon being dissolved for an RC wagon? His flail a few pages ago lacked any kind of town emotion.

@Zdenek - That's great and all, but why would I lie, re: my playstyle/thor's playstyle?

[Majiffy]

@Zdenek - That's great and all, but why would I lie, re: my playstyle/thor's playstyle?

The appropriate response would have been to explain why you think that Thor is town and how that relates to your view that town-Thor is like town-Majiffy.

See, I don't think that you are lying about your playstyle/Thor's playstyle. I'm sure that's something you actually believe. It's the conclusion you've drawn from it - that Thor is town - that I have an issue with. I shouldn't have to write you an essay about why scum-Majiffy might want to town-read Thor.

No, my response is plenty appropriate. My bringing up Thor's and my own playstyle similarities was to help ffery read Thor. I have a townread on Thor

completely separate

from aforementioned similarities. Granted, the read may stem

from

them, but they aren't based

on

them.

tl;dr you're a moron.

FWIW, I think Majiffy is my singular strongest scumread. But I'll be damned if I start another wagon Today.

You've spent a grand total of zero time pushing for my lynch.

What the hell is your read even based off, anyway?

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Damn right it is.

[Majiffy]

These are my scum reads of varying degrees;
{Toog, Mastin, Vezok, Pidgey}
Thoughts on each?

Town reads;
{Molla, Rubicon}
Also kinda want to say I had these as town, too;
{Svenskt Stål, dopog}

Thoughts on these would be appreciated too.

How about a most current update to your reads list?

Tomorrow. About to head out.

Get like Zdenek to do it or some shit

Zdenek isn't even reading the thread with both eyes open anymore.

[Majiffy]

How about a most current update to your reads list?

Town
{Le Midget, Alpa, Thor, Sven, Rubi, Molla, AP, Dopog, Zdenek}
Scum
{Sekai, SCB, Mastin, Aegor, Vezok, Pidgey}

Still sitting uncomfortably null on PV, RC, GIF, AD and NC.
Sitting really uncomfortably (read: extreme back-and-forth) on Bulba.

Oh and Majiffy is still hasn't explained his read on Thor.

Well aren't you the observant one.

I think you were tunneling a bit on Vezok to try to make a wagon happen. That's not scummy on its own, but a lot of players disagreed with you and tried to explain why they thought there could be town motivation behind vezok's position, and instead of engaging with them to try to work out why they thought so, you kind of brushed them off and/or insulted them. What was your thought process there? Now that vezok is probably town, do your other reads change?

My thought process was lynch Vezok.

I still don't think he's town, I don't like the claim, my reads haven't changed.

GOD MY FUCKING HEAD

I got a hangover

Me too.

[Majiffy]

To be fair, even a caught-up Nero is still useless.

[Majiffy]

My thought process was lynch Vezok.

I still don't think he's town, I don't like the claim, my reads haven't changed.

Do you think he's lying about his role or what?

Do you always ask stupid questions?

[Majiffy]

It's a yes/no question, and it has a point. Please answer it, thanks.

No, I don't believe the claim. Which is ruddy self-evident.

[Majiffy]

A boomer? It doesn't take long to look up zombies in a well-known zombie game, if he hasn't played it.

And furthermore, I wouldn't expect AP to leave scum fakeclaims out.

Any other ridiculously stupid questions you'd like to ask?

[Majiffy]

I know you're troubled that I've nailed your entire team but you're just going to have to settle for NKing me Pidgey.

[Majiffy]

Do you think scum were given fake claims that include actual powers, that are actually in the game?

Because the power Vezok is claiming is definitely a real power. At least one other player crumbed the role early on, others seem to be hinting they have it, etc.

If AP gave out fakeclaims that correspond to town roles, I'd expect all the powers to match. Otherwise the fakeclaim itself would serve as a scumclaim.

[Majiffy]

Sorry AP's modding another game I'm in.

Venmar.

[Majiffy]

Incompatible reads re: myself and Vezok. Plus his read of me in general, which started as OMGUS and continues as... OMGUS.

[Majiffy]

The fuck

[Majiffy]

Eh. In a normal game I would agree, but this doesn't seem like a normal game PR-wise.

[Majiffy]

He opens his mouth and thoughts come out - that is called 'town' last I checked.
OMGUS isn't scummy.

Not the way he's doing it. Look at us in ISO and tell me you see town out of him.

[Majiffy]

There's 83 pages, plenty of content on my end, and his entire summation of his read on me boils down to me reading him as scum. That's not town trying to figure things out, that's a comfortable read to sit on that no one will ask about.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy - Even if I agree with you 100% about that, and I probably mostly do...I don't think that says anything about his alignment.

[Majiffy]

Meh. I'm not interested in pushing him right now anyway. I have bigger fish to fry.

[Majiffy]

Classic misdirection.

[Majiffy]

Still plenty of time to vote Mastin, there, Aegor.

[Majiffy]

Probably a better idea that we *not* discuss what I think we're discussing, Zden. Otherwise that kind of undermines the point of not discussing it.

[Majiffy]

To be fair, even a caught-up Nero is still useless.

Ding!

Damn!

Drat!

Lynch someone ffs.
I'm bored of this incredibly long day devoid of any kimg of meaningful information.

Also majiffy is scum. Really scum. Look at his posts. That is not town tunneling. It is scum faking it. Will post when I get home I'll explaim better.

I look forward to wasting time and brain cells reading it.

[Majiffy]

Niet.

[Majiffy]

My reaction to this thread at least 3 times a day.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Mafia mafia

: Zdenek, Rubicon

Prob mafia

: Peregrine

Maybe mafia

: RedCoyote, Aegor

Null/Least confident reads

: Bulbazak(null), Svenskt(null) GuyinFreezer(town), AngryPidgeon(mafia)

Kinda town

: Vezok, Alpazard, Thor, mastin, pidgey

Well town to one degree or another

: Sekai, SweatingChessball, BBMolla, Nero Cain, ActionDan, LeMidget, majiffy

In order:
No, No
Maybe/Who Cares
Maybe/Who Cares, Yes
Town, Town, Who Cares, No
No, Yes, Yes, No, No
No, No, Yes, Who Cares, Who Cares, Yes, Obviously.

Hope this helps!

[Majiffy]

"Well town to one degree or another" is strong town? I thought that was a hedgy-POE townread grouping.

[Majiffy]

We should have killed mastin goddamn.

I know pidgey, I know. Mastin's play has become more obviously from scum as the Day goes on.

THERE IS STILL TIME

[Majiffy]

Two teams of four too many scum?

VOTE: Mastin

Like we should have done yesterday.

[Majiffy]

Oh duh right our vig kill.

[Majiffy]

I voted Mastin first, technically you're all sheeping me.

[Majiffy]

All hail the mighty flowchart etc etc

[Majiffy]

R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Take care, TCB

Sock it to me sock it to me sock it to me sock it to me

[Majiffy]

What do you call a witty grim reaper?

[Majiffy]

Aegor next please.

[Majiffy]

Aegor next please.

Seriously?

Seriously.

[Majiffy]

in the meantie, can i have feedback on this

You have GIF there twice, but that aside, I don't get the GIF read. Still null.
Don't like you having Fferyslot as a strong town read. I think it makes sense with Mastin.
Zden, Thor town is good.

Do you have any other reads or is that it?

[Majiffy]

Dodge post later

[Majiffy]

VOTE: LeMidget

Slot's town, get off.

fwiw I could go Metal Sonic too

Yes.

We were until you guys ended the past two days in under 24 hours EACH

We'll be here today though

... With guilty reports on scum? I'm sorry, problem?

Possible Mastin buddy - complains that Mastin is reading him as scum for a shitty reason, votes Bulba, on page 5.

I kidna agree with this one

Yep. And his play has been kinda weird today.

I have a theory that scum got the results on another scum and now don't want to reveal it and lose another buddy

Unless Molla got extremely fucking lucky, I think Molla gets all the results.

It just doesn't make sense that he would get them twice in a row in a game this large unless that were the case.

Holding off is fine, but if no one claims cop results, I would recommend that the cop pick a different results target but the same investigation target.

I don't think that's how an amn cop works. Besides, if the cop could pick the results target, and the situation was scum got scum results, we'd have two scum more or less confirmed now.

Classic misdirection.

Town-majiffy, town reading Thor doesn't make this post.

Wasn't to Thor, it was to you. Apparently you didn't get it, which means I also don't get the post you made that it was about.

VOTE: LeMidget

Slot is town as balls, stop.

As far as I understand, Amnesiac selects a person to be investigated and selects someone to recieve the report. I was that person for night 1 and night 2. I don't know who for night 3.

Why would they pick a new target instead of you? It makes no sense.

Also it was my understanding of the role that the recipient of the reports was not a choice.

Also, vezok is probably scum if we think there is a scum Herder.

Yeah if we could get back to lynching this that would be great.




Targets were Pidgey AD and Sekai.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: MS