Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

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VOTE: pidgey

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Fun fact: This is the most behind I've ever been on a game I started in and had yet to post in.

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Where are you AP ;_;

Avoding posting VCs in my game, but dont tell anyone.

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Now that the business is taken care of

VOTE: Sekai No K

This time, no lolrvscase because I'm lazy

This is semi-serious btw.

They confirmed way too late so they were being either lazy or scum.

Terrible.

DGB, why would you hydra with someone who was scum last game?

VOTE: SweatingChessball

Town? If hes scum I'll figure it out soon enough.

VOTE: dopog

I am scum and trying to push a mislynch.

Vote: No Lynch

I am scum and trying to push a mislynch.

I didn't see you in the QT.

Town.

Don't give me that shit please, you might as well self vote at this point too

Uhhh. But I claim scum all the time. Like frequently. Multiple times per game. And typically only as town.

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DGB, why would you hydra with someone who was scum last game?

VOTE: SweatingChessball

And why would you assume they're scum again?

FoS: This

VOTE: dopog

I am scum and trying to push a mislynch.

Okay, you are also town. That said, you're almost certainly right that dopog is a mislynch, soooooo, don't push there.

Vote: sekai no ki.

Because I'm a rebel and Aegor is obviously town. You can random wagon him all you'd like, it's all fun and games and such, but I'd prefer to actually have a random vote that's got a chance of being serious.

While Aegor does seem pretty town so far, I dislike this endorsement.

Mastin I don't think Im willing to call you a scumread yet, but you are par for the course with this wall alone.

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mastin2 is scum, he's going to have to NK us.

Ok you can be town.

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VOTE: Aegor

I COUNTERCLAIM

VOTE: Rubicon

This is a legitimate scumclaim, rather than Aegor's faked scumclaim, because it's taking the fun but instead of running with it (voting Aegor), he takes this approach, to avoid drawing attention to himself. Especially since Aegor (having self-voted first) would take the brunt of the blow. It's scum trying to blend in during the RVS, while also trying to avoid becoming part of something they'd rather avoid. (For instance, if Aegor got wagoned to, say, L-1, it'd be something a scum-Rubicon would want to be off of like the plague.)

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Also I kinda wanna talk about the mechanics a bit.
When would be the good time to talk about it?

In the dead thread

dayvig:GIF

*gasps for breath*

*slumps down*

*flips town*

Thank god you towntold here I was getting nervous.

Also Molla v Nero was lolz.

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OMG. You actually employed reasoning to generate a read. I want to reinforce good behavior.

So town.

Innocent Child. not lynch. Ever.

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Uhhh. But I claim scum all the time. Like frequently. Multiple times per game. And typically only as town.

IM NOT NERO CAIN

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This is supicious

Sven's probably scum, because this is the same Sven from Anything Goes.

Its really really not though.

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

Guys I think the scum are throwing themselves at each other this game, gonna be easy GG autowin.

whats this shit about AP being the best bird around mastin im the best bird obv

Don't let mastin destroy or masonry. (Im only voting you to distance so when I flip mason-bird scum doesnt figure you out.

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Thor is town. Im locking that read in 5eva. Post 134 was a masterpiece.

This means Thor has at most a day before I call him scum

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A whole lot of moonbeams

Too tryhard; didn't read

This post is a scum-claim.

Vote: Rubicon

Town.

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Ok I'm through page 7. Gonna get this down:

Town: Aegor, Thor665, zDenek
Probably Town: Bulbazak, GIF

Im forgetting someone,..

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Really? I'll get that long?

Probably longer. Actually maybe I should start waffling on you anyways cause if I dont you'll think Im scum.

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dammit AP are you town am i correct to assume this?

Yes sir.

Ok here are some tentative other townreads in addition to {Aegor, zDenek, Thor, Bulbazak, GIF)::

Pidgey, Peregrine

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Maybe Molla (actually he might be a Mafia Usurper Traitor this game), mayyybe Sven, mayyyybe The Pie/Ffery thing.

Scummy: Rubicon, Vezko <- These 2 are obvious, should probably go first.
Maybe Scummy: Mastin, Dan?, toogeloo?

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UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Vezokpiraka

Hilarious scum to the front of the lynch Q!

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@AP: what exactly is your read on mastin?

Maybe Scummy: Mastin, Dan?, toogeloo?

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bc I didn't see you bring up any other posts of his.

DGB, why would you hydra with someone who was scum last game?

VOTE: SweatingChessball

And why would you assume they're scum again?

FoS: This

VOTE: dopog

I am scum and trying to push a mislynch.

Okay, you are also town. That said, you're almost certainly right that dopog is a mislynch, soooooo, don't push there.

Vote: sekai no ki.

Because I'm a rebel and Aegor is obviously town. You can random wagon him all you'd like, it's all fun and games and such, but I'd prefer to actually have a random vote that's got a chance of being serious.

While Aegor does seem pretty town so far, I dislike this endorsement.

Mastin I don't think Im willing to call you a scumread yet, but you are par for the course with this wall alone.

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Hi AP. I'm a little surprised and a little concerned that you aren't making more of an effort to interact and maybe sort us.

Should you be though?

53 was just a silly post from mastin.

"Ok when Aegor claimed scum it was from town, but THIS scumclaim is actually from serious"

I realize its mastin, but still the reaching there. Somebody quoting a post and mimicking it is fitting in in PRECISELY this instance? and its scum motivated?

What about the million other times people do that (blatantly) in RVS. If it was nt BLATANT I could maybe buy mastins point, but hte lack of subtlety on Rub's end made the post entirely null and mastin should feel silly for scumreading that and making a case on it.

Rub seems scummy, but not right there.

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Man what an attention whore

Ffery? Don't mind her, shes probably just trying to mimic her town meta.

p-edit: Rubicon is scummy. Mastin could quite easily be a buddy. Vezok IS a Rubicon buddy.

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Barring zdenek and Thor my reads are meh. But it's p10t and I skimmed through it and haven't interacted with anyone much yet.

Don't worry my gunsmith claim will obvtowin me soon

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Help me lynch that pirate thing.

Mastin will be obvious one way or another before long

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I think vezok is leaking new scum by bussing buddy rubicon. So both scummy.

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@Molla: Have I ever been scum in a game with you?

@Thor: Thoughts on Aegor? I may have missed them if you did post them.
Also, thoughts on Dan?

Actually I think I see that post of Toog's you are talking about as likely from town. I alsol iked his RVs. He posted something I disliked, but I can't remember what so meh. I'll call him null null-town for now.

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Also Pid, you said Toog was maybe town. What do you think of 302?

Im sheeping Thor here.

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My vote feels weak?
That is like the best thing I heard all day. Next time I'll do a case from only RVS posts.

Scum caught for the wrong reasons.

Mastin if you wanna be town you gotta stop misreading this hilarious scumbutt.

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UNVOTE: ; VOTE: mastin2

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Iirc I nailed scum ffery. It took a few walls but she ended up surrendering and scum claiming.

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thats not how i remember last night

You were pretty drunk so Im not surprised.

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Yesterday's complete failure to communicate where I was coming from regarding svenskt's wagon

You failed to communicate about the Sven wagon because you didn't have anything relevant to say about it.

Calling it a "lazy wagon" doesn't make Sven any more likely town or scum (you admitted as much) and you also admitted that the wagoners hadn't had a chance to interact with Sven yet because of his activity.

You also said the wagoners were all mostly independently townreads. Complaining about the wagon on Sven yet not really proposing an alternative or analyzing the individual votes is...?

IF you think Sven is town (apparently you thought he was a little bit), then why are you calling his wagon lazy and not being direct about calling him town or CWing him.

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Mastin isn't doing what you are hinting at though? She -apparently- is suspicious of everyone townreading her because of the silly reaction test. You gave a snooty answer back when she said in response to which, she voted you (go figure!). Then you later made a town case on her which she also rejected as being mostly null, but moved on to voting people that aren't you anyways.

Soooo, Im really not seeing where you are coming from, like at all, this game ffery. Its worrisome.

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You gave a snooty answer back when she

said

explained that in

fixed for clarity / typo

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I may have missed it although I dont think I did. What wa the lowdown?

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That still won't change your stance on the Sven wagon being a lot of posturing to no relevant conclusion.

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I don't remember you actually ever calling me town this game although you seemed to imply that you had just now.

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I would like to talk to you about your mastin read sometime.

I thought my mastin read was fairly clear?

Mastin is intentionally obfuscating emotions / content by being willfully scummy. This is anti-town at best, potentially scum motivated, and not allowed to live beyond D3 unless somehow confirmed.

@Sven: Undecided. You wagon composition was weird to me. Im doubting you/ffery are on a team at least..I think. Im also doubting Vezok/mastin are on a team to a degree.

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And my interactions with you have yelled "you're town" in my behavioral vocabulary since pretty early on.

Hi AP. I'm a little surprised and a little concerned that you aren't making more of an effort to interact and maybe sort us.

I still don't know how to go about developing a read on you if you don't obvtown the hell out of the thread.

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Other than this you prodded me about my mastin read a little, sheeped me on to Vezok (ok), and pointed out that I wasn't pressuring Sven despite voting him.

So pardon me if Im having a hard time buying that ffery got a townread on me so readily and has been dropping hints about it that I cant see.

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That early post about dopog hit some town-notes.

The one where mastin called dopog a mislynch despite dopog not having posted? Unless you consider being batshit-mastin a towntell, then I really dont see the townieness behind that.

So is mastin town or scum? You seem pretty determined to waffle there today. I'd rather lynch someone else tbh.

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It's not a case of dropping hints. I'm treating you like a townread. I'm annoyed you're not townreading me, and every time I think about reaching out to you and working on a read I seem to run up against another post that I feel kind of marginalizes my viewpoint. Stuff like the post where you said I had no credibility meta-reading Mastin. That's something else I griped about in the swath of missing posts from Tuesday.

Nobody is allowed to metaread mastin. I mentioned you because you are the most likely person to attempt to do that (and already had). Attempting to meta mastin will get you nowhere when mastin is arguable the person MOST aware of their own meta on the entire site.

I don't know how I've otherwise 'marginalized' you except to point out that calling Sven's wagon lazy doesn't actually draw a conclusion or do anything relevant, which you have yet to actually address.

I really don't have a read on you and its kind of hilarious that you expect me to have one by now.

P-edit: I DO consider being batshit-mastin to be a towntell, but the way mastin has gone about things this game is reason to be concerned. I'd rather lynch elsewhere because overall my gut leans lightly town on mastin for no good reason.

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Also, does this mean you consider me synonymous with craziness?

To a degree, yes. Its why we make a good team when we're on the same team. And also why we typically fear each other when we roll scum (for good reason).

We both approach the game from unconventional angles. We don't let anything slip throigh because we are paranoid/insane enough to understand the people may decide to act randomly at any time and looking for scum whee scum doesn't expect you to be looking is the most reliable place to catch them. When our different perspectives start aligning, its usually a sign we're both digging into the same picture. We both go off the deepend at times which is why we keep each other in check.

It hard to fake crazy, I know it drains me in my scum games a lot (Hidden Legends for example) to keep that illusion up for so long. We fear each other rationally because it takes a special kind of crazy to know when someone else is just fakin' it.

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I think I just WANT ffer y to be scum this game so I can catch HER for once, but she might not actually be. If Im being honest with myself, shes towntold a reasonable amount. She feels different outside of the sangres hydra to be sure though.

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Like, I still am suspicious-as-hell about them, but being perfectly honest with myself, for some reason, I don't actually feel like they're scum. There's reasoning for it, but I'm not sure I actually believe it.

This basically summarizes 100% how I feel about you right now.

You might be right about Vezok, I'll consider it. What do you think of the Alpacazard?

P-edit: Vezok looks townie because hes not afraid to say whats on his mind as he has the thought. His majiffy vote looks town here since hes not afraid to throw it out and see where it goes without backlash from having forgot why he had it. I think this is sort of the stuff mastin is picking up on.

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Sven scum read still going strong.

Now who was bussing him.

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Bulbs post is good. Svens case on Vezok is scummy as hell.

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He never said it was a strong read. You just interpreted "still scum" to mean "Strong read" because it was convenient for your case.

What "Still scum" actually mean was this:

Oh dear, it would appear as if there was a post rollback for approximately 36 hours. This is unfortunate as it would appear that all of the posts Majiffy made have been lost to the Tigers. I do recall that they were scummy posts though as I still feel my vote is best placed on Majiffy until something better arises.

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Well he can't exactly quote Majiffy posts right now can he?

People are varying degrees of involved in the game. Like MafiaSSK tends to lurk 100% of the time, for instance. Not remembering EXACTLY why Majiffy is scummy isn't a scumtell? He remembered he thought Majiffy was scum and voted him.

Your point -might- make sense if Vezok had actually written a case on Majiffy and subsequently forgotten it. But forgetting what about Majiffy's string of herpaderp was scummy exactly means that he isn't reaching for reasons to justify himself. He called it a gut scumread. Thats not much different than people quoting posts and saying "gut" and voting them. Except this time there are no posts to quote any more.

What is your read on bulbazak?

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And the posts came crumbling down, on the site that we loooOoooOove.

Tigers came rolling over the hills, bringing 501 GATEWAY TIMEOUTS from aboooOoooOve.

But if you close your eyes. Can you almost see Majif's posts?

But if you close your eyes. Does it almost feel like hes still scum?

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^ AH HA, THE TRIED AND TRUE

PHONEPOSTING
WORK
LURKER

SITE-CRASH SCUMTELL.

SCUM DETECTED.

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AP you ever tried pulling your head out of your ass?

You do realize I was making fun of DGB.

The post was lost, but there was a post she made that was like "Ah ha, using phone posting as an excuse, thats usually from scum"

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Right, just like how The Scum Method made excuses in Anything Goes, got hilariously wagoned, and flipped town.

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I don't understand

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I'm waffling on Vezok. I won't let mastin persuade me just yet.

sven could be bussing that.

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Sven's case on Vezok is bad, sure, I'll give you that. But how is the case scummy?

I suppose I exaggerate. Basically for the same reason you mentioned in this post though.

How do scum lie about a reason and then forget it?

Vezok's post here rang aggressively null to me. I gathered that Vezok found Majiffy's posts scummy and intended to vote him. This doesn't really say anything about either Vezok or Majiffy's alignments. The posts being lost in the server crash and Vezok generally being a lurkaderp leads in to me being less than startled at his inability to recall precisely WHAt he wanted to vote majiffy over.
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Also, Sven felt a bit over the top to me here?

Sven specifically picked out the term "Still scum" from Vezok's ISO, bolded the phrase, and then played it up as if that had more implications than it actually does.

"

Still scum.

" alot of strength, vezok backs this strength up with not remembering what sparked it, but still felt the need to revote

chooo chooo

Call it gut to a degree I guess, but this really reads like someone trying to pin the case on the donkey. In this instance the donkey is Vezok and the case is that he scumslipped by blatantly having his hand in the "mislynch majiffy" cookie jar.

I don't see any progression from Sven here that looks naturally leading into the Vezok read and the case itself reads like someone trying to assign scum motivation to someone doing derp things. Add onto that the fact that Vezok is already a potential wagon today and has been for a while and its just ew.

I don't like it.

Thor: Opinion on Sekai? Im going to go insane if I have to read ffery myself.

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Welcome to the game, RC! RC is town (call it gut for now).

Can you explain your townread on pidgey for me? I don't really have one at all and I don't see anything in your post that indicates you should have one either.

UNVOTE: SweatingChessBall3; VOTE: mastin2

I have ZERO motivation as scum to make that fucking qoute post

I hadnt really paid attention to BB until a bit and I'm not liking his presence in the game. He is softly defending fucking scummy players like majiffy without any real thought or presence.

Thats usually just his MO though?

I've reread bulba vs sven sudden outburst and I dont really know who to side with.

Why do you necessarily need to side with either?

You're [pidgey] p town to me

Why?

Im going to go insane if I have to read ffery myself.

Why?

What do you hope to gain from asking this? The best I can offer you is a non-answer: I'm waffling on her and paranoid? A lot of her interactions with me feel faked although there is nothing I can point to that is solid to support that. I don't think shes being useful this game and I want to scumread her for that although she has said things I generally see come from town.

No one cares about your Zdenek side debate right now

This ^

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: pidgey
Because it still feels like hes avoiding doing anything that he personally finds interesting. It feels like hes just trying to go with the flow. Not sure how permanent this vote is, but I want to make a point at least.

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GIF/Sekai/pidgey.
These are people I'd like to see pressure on.

Towncore as of this post: Zdenek, Toogeloo, Thor, AP, Red Coyote
Buy some wonka bars if you wanna be added to the town core.

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AP, have i become more town or has pidgey managed to out scum me?

I'm resisting the urge to go all out attack on pidgey. I get really really bad feels from that slot which makes me sad because I want him to be town.

I also somewhat doubt you/oidgey are a team after reading his last post. Similarly I doubt Vezok/mastin are a team.

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1) You say we should sheep Thor to get a win, but you don't vote SC with him.

As a totally meaningless sidenote, SC = StrangerCoug. Different acronyms for DGB/Chess will help me.

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This is way overthought. Ain't no one going to remember what mastin said in some stray post about dopog on page 6 on day 4, page 68. So to say that mastin is taking a mislynch off the table is a joke at best. Players change their minds all the time. Other players forget what other players reads are. Heck, look at the post above. AD made a grand total of five posts when Thor asked AD what his DGB read was.

I like this.

This is oddly specific. Why?

Completely non-serious. BBMolla was a Mafia Usurper Traitor in Anything Goes mafia just recently so I was making hilarious jokez by referencing it. More seriously, I have a loose townread on Molla right now.

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Even though his posts are pretty generic, I find him dropping by time to time expressing his thoughts pretty town.

Wow GIF.

This is a pretty mindblowing reason to townread someone.

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Would it help or hurt your read if I fakeclaimed masons with Vezok?

I can't steer the zombies over to you any harder than I already intend to.

What you say with irony, I say with sincerity. Scum using the excuse of lost posts not to contribute is exploiting the site crash for its maximum value.

You are either confirmation biasing about this or just assigning scum motivation to Majiffy's post because you are scum.

Just an RC who might be accurate in some areas but is otherwise completely and entirely off-base.

No, no. You are expecting people to scumread you for your early game posts, remember? RC posting this is expected and :goodposting:.

I want to stop being a bad town player. So I'm deliberately playing partially to my scum meta.

Mastin your posts are TERRIBLE this game. You should strongly reconsider your life choices if you are town (you aren't).

with sekai's and GIF's reads on me in particular. Their townreads on me made zero sense

Yes distance from your teammates on your way out the door.

Alpa's a dead-null of mine.

You keep promising to fix this. Its not like their ISO is enormous.

You're essentially townreading Rubicon because you're scumreading me

Uhhhhhhhhh

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Ya, mastin is scum. And re Town core: No. This town core is a town core. not a place for bullshit willynilly reads on people like Molla who certainly havent posted enough to be probably town yet.

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Molla, read on mastin?

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How am i keeping it safe and being cautious with my read?

Your reads are all pretty boring?

Mastin: Very lightly scum
Toog: Semi Town
Zdenek:Town
Vezok: Scum
Majiffy: Prob Scum
Nero Cain- Looks townish
Rubicon- Prob Scum
Sven- Slightly scum

These are pretty boring reads, lets be honest.

Ap- i dont "need" to make a read on sven vs bulba but i felt it occupier enough space in the stupid thread to mention it? Fucking prblem?

Yes, prblem. Why mention it just for the sake of mentioning it? You also passively rejected the idea that maybe BOTH are scum or BOTH are town in the phrasing you used.

Also regarding bbmolla, its not the fac that he is defending without content, is who he is defending

So is he whiteknighting Majiffy? Defending a buddy? Either/or? This felt weak to me. "Molla is defending a universal scurmead -> scummy". Why is scum-Molla sticking his neck out there to defend someone who has less than 2 pieces of towncred to rub together?

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Scum is probably just riding on the outskirts and cheering on wagons at this point. I'll look into this when we get the next VC.

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All of those are SOLID reads, AP, and you darn-well know it. You'd be agreeing to them if you didn't scumread me. Tell me I'm wrong.

Tell me, to my face, bluntly, that you wouldn't be townreading them solidly if not for me

. They are town. You KNOW they are town. You should be agreeing with most of this, even if not using the exact same reasoning, because you've seen the same stuff I see. They are town, and deserve to be in the townbloc.

Re underlined....

Uh. Are you honestly trying to tell me that your endorsement of them is affecting my view of them? Its not.

I have varying degrees of town reads on the people you mentioned, just not enough that Im confident about giving them a lifetime membership into my townbloc spa and sauna club.

I couldn't even recall your Bulb read until you posted it; frankly, RC's post made me like Bulba for town more than I did. Your nero read is pretty whatever, as is most of his content this game. (Light townread on him despite this). Molla does seem town but I respect his scumgame enough to townblock him without interacting with him more. Especially since none of his posts aren't fakable right now. (unlikely, but possible).

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...Okay. Reworded, simply: flowchart. You're not taking control. You're letting others take control, hanging in the background.

Except this really isn't a scumtell for Majiffy?
In GoW he was aggressively shoving a mislynch on me all D1.
I've seen him be aggressive as scum.
Him not being aggressive is .. not a tell?

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Inner Town Circle: AP, RedCoyote, Thor, Zdenek, Toogeloo
Outer Town Circle: BBMolla, Aegor (candidate for inner), Bulbazak, Peregrine, dopog
Rather not lynch today: Nero Cain, Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?

These people really need to step their game up or get dunked: DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Majiffy
Lynch, die, scum: mastin2, GIF, pidgey, Sekai

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OMGUS

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I think hes saying Molla is more town than most.

@Ffery: Right, calling my reads shit is an amazing post. Sorry for misinterpreting that as a bad post.

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I'm going to do some ISOs later tonight.

Ffery why is GIF town?

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So I don't understand why Rubi's actions are at all telling of PV's alignment or even his own with this really bad associative position.

He didn't say this affects PVs alignment, just that Rubi is likely town regardless of PVs.

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Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek,

mastin2

, GIF,

pidgey

,

Sekai

Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo,

Majiffy

The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine

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Vote: GuyInFreezer

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Why did you bold these names in GIFs llist?

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They may not all be shit reads. I've lost patience trying to figure out where your reads are coming from, though, and you're abysmally wrong about me, and getting more wrong over time.

I dunno, I thought I've been pretty transparent all game and explaining things more than usual. Just ask Thor and RC.

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Because they're absolutely horrible to have where they are, especially with no reasoning?

1) GIF has provided reasoning for at least a few of these (if not in this exact post).
2) So why didn't you bold Vezok (obvious town) and Bulbazak (probtown) who GIF managed to misplace.
3) Really? GIF isn't allowed to townread you? Molla is townreading you for no adequately explored reason but hes SO FREAKING TOWN according to you.

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pidgey is prob town for his "lol heres my reads withallth ese typos aye wat your post makes no fuckin sense Im startin to scum read you bro" or whatever. Feels enough like unconcerned town to make me like him.

so all I have to do is start posting with typos for the rest of the game whilst making hollow assertions and you'll call me town too?

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AP your townread on PV bugs me, he's the lurking scum, the other scum are probably big names.

pidgey is the lurking scum IMO.
I'm willing to talk about PV though.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, because I can understand Molla's townread on me. He hasn't made his reasoning explicit, but he doesn't need to in order for me to get it. GiF, on the other hand, hasn't done that.

Spoiler: Mastin in this game

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin needs to be lynched fucking yesterday. I want her dead as soon as is physically possible. If anyone is a dayvig please take care of this, thank you. Unless ActionDan said something super awesome during the downtime he's probably scum. Majiffy is also a mild scum read for me. There was someone else who seemed scum in the lost posts but I'm gonna have to wait until those come back.

Red Coyote is town.

Your application for the Townblock has been received and is being rpocessed, thank you for your consideration!

[AngryPidgeon]

Do you remember this post?

I'm a little wary about townreading the hell out of redcoyote again on the basis of an awesome catch-up post.

Yes. I never said I was reading RC for making an awesome catchup wall. I did actually read and parse the contents of it. He feels notably different IMO.

[AngryPidgeon]

What he did is town frustration.

[AngryPidgeon]

How do you feel about this part of Mastin's reply?

I disliked his comparison to my RVS approach in Anything Goes mafia.

Hes right that I was being semi-serious, but I often get good reads from P1. Mastin's post in that game made me so I pursued it, mostly seriously.

I certainly didn't call somebody obvious-town who had yet to post and then backpedal over the inherent seriousness of my statement.

[AngryPidgeon]

I miss Bacde. nobody P1 scumclaims as well as that troll : (

[AngryPidgeon]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4772429
^ Imma let you finish, but this is the greatest scum claim ever posted.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote alpha with me. He's gonna either hilariously obvtown himself or hilariously obvscum himself.

Hey look, this is the exact sort of thing I post when Im scum (Antihero Mafia) and that I have used to find scum before.

[AngryPidgeon]

Marquis isnt in this game?

[AngryPidgeon]

Fucking lold.

[AngryPidgeon]

I would have lynched the Doctor claim, bussed Cabd but never actually voted him, and NKd ffery.

[AngryPidgeon]

Any number of things Im sure.

Starting with my scummy waffling on my buddy mastin and ending with my counterwagoning of obvtown pidgey?

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd love to hear how you plan on misreading me this time around though, so don't keep me waiting : )

[AngryPidgeon]

Frankly I think this is because he's buddies with Mastin and doesn't want to bus, but it's scummy in it's own right.

While I don't have an issue with pressure on Bulbasaur, I would much rather lynch mastin if you believe this.

[AngryPidgeon]

Thirty pages and not one hint of game-decimating paranoia.

Very intentional.

[AngryPidgeon]

We know you can't help yourself, scum.

Did you role mafia this game? Be honest.

[AngryPidgeon]

What is there to fix? If their ISO is not very big, that means there's not much to get a read off of, hence them being dead-null. What are you missing?

Every time someone talked about wagoning the Alpaca, mastin would go out of her way to say "let me get back to you about them [the Alpaca]".

And after doing that multiple times, she just apparently decided she didn't care and is now calling them dead null.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP your reaction to chessball was really bad

Well? Im still bitter about Anything Goes. and I -am- intentionally being more conservative with reads this game.

Not sure what was bad about it.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't have a brother so I wouldn't know....

/blowing towncred

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd be willing to OMGUS-lynch DGB today. Her reason for voting me is pretty bad.

[AngryPidgeon]

i have only played with town dgb and thats what she does

What is what she does?

Id advise against calling her town because of her playstyle aligning with her town one.

[AngryPidgeon]

and i´d advise you to not find her scummy for shit she does as town

I'm telling you that DGB playing to her playstyle is a nulltell. I asked you what she did specifically that is town and you haven't told me.

All I see from her is a crap vote on me for playing more pro-town than usual and lurk. If shes not scum, she may as well be.

Note to self: DGB/Vezok are not on a team.

[AngryPidgeon]

no, you are saying that she isnt playing her towngame

you played anything goes, the only thing she did was "X IS SCUM" "LYNCH X"

I'm saying she has effectively declared intent to be as useless/pro-scum as she was in Anything Goes, so I'm pretty willing to lynch her today.

I don't think anybody posting "X is scum, LYNCH" is a compelling reason to townread them just because they do it as town.

In other news, I keep trying to figure out what I want to do with my vote and am unsure.

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: mastin2

[AngryPidgeon]

god damn it

UNVOTE: mastin
VOTE: Alpacazard

[AngryPidgeon]

Doesn't read mastin posts.
Wants to know what I liked about it.

Thor.jpg

I think she probably actually is town? For no good reason at all. Mostly the last sentence.

[AngryPidgeon]

I never said my read on the post was good. Hence why I didn't really care to share.

Mastin is gut zone. And frustrating me this game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok? Tell me what to do then Sven. There is no way people I want to see lynched are getting lynched right now.

My options are basically you, Alpacazard, mastin, majiffy, Vezok.

I don't really know where to begin sorting this blob of lurkaderp. I'm waffling on mastin, current read of town. You at least seem to be trying to figure things out this game I think, maybe.

[AngryPidgeon]

god your progressions. now you dont want to lynch me? what has changed? i think this is a play style difference but it really boggles my mind

Question: How does this compare to my play in Anything Goes. Hint: I got criticized for exactly this.

I was scanning your ISO to see what you thought about Majiffy. So, what DO you think about Majiffy?

[AngryPidgeon]

I really don't have any amazing scumreads yet. I have a spatter of good townreads and I noticed that all the popular wagons right now are sort of Meh-null-hmm to me right now.
That is a super generic request ^. I thought your case on Vezok was bad. I thought your reactions

I'm waffling on Vezok. I won't let mastin persuade me just yet.

sven could be bussing that.

I AM NOT FUCKING SCUM

here and in 501 looked townish. Loose townread.

[AngryPidgeon]

you are asking because you want to bug me, or to do to me as you feel that i do to others, you have no genuine interest in the subject

"what am i liking in his latest posts more?"

gtfo

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd dayvig GIF. Then cry when he flipped town.

[AngryPidgeon]

@Dan: Your choice of lynches for today include Vezok (short ISO), Alpacazard (short ISO), majiffy (meh?), sven (town?), or mastin (mastin ISO).

[AngryPidgeon]

Friends don't let friends ISO mastin. tl;dr:

"Im playing scummy intentionally"
"YOLO"
"Alpaca is town because they are a (scumdriven) CW to Sven"
"Majiffy is also scum"

Im gutzoning her as town atm, but I really would just lynch her for policy alone at this point.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually I'd day vig Sekai and be 100% correct when they flipped mafia.

Oops

[AngryPidgeon]

You're going to see that post quoted. Smugly.

Don't worry, I won't be the one feeling silly after you see MY flip.

[AngryPidgeon]

Bulbazak realizes that but doesn't care. Which you'd realize if you were town.

[AngryPidgeon]

?
I think its pretty obvious that Bulbazak is voting Sven out of policy. I dont see what I missed.

[AngryPidgeon]

why do you think sekai is scum?

Gut? Her interactions with me don't sit well, particularly the "I don't know how to read you unless you obvtown" which felt like fake paranoia and a copout rolled into one.

Her stance on your wagon was a bunch of smoke and she has been QQing about how I've been treating her instead of stepping up to bad against mean old pidgeon.

[AngryPidgeon]

bat*

[AngryPidgeon]

@AP: why'd you go from vezok scum to vezok town? also did you change your mind on mastin? if so, why?

Im gonna decline to answer these mostly because I feel like I just recently addressed both. Vezok isnt a townread.

[AngryPidgeon]

A scumbird in the hand..

[AngryPidgeon]

3 PV and pidgey are scumbirds in the bush

[AngryPidgeon]

^ #scumposting

[AngryPidgeon]

all I could find about mastin was that you're gut-zoning her. is there anything specific to it?

You seem to not get the meaning of gut zone.
I did point to the last part of the last wall post where she hinted at having pocket Aces in the hole. Read town to me. Did not read like a bluff.

Vezok is meh leaning towards hmm. I thought his early posts were scummy. Mastin assures me this looks town from him so meh. Hm. Would Wagon over sven. Probably over majiffy but hmm.

[AngryPidgeon]

DGB comes in and gains some scummy points. She is voting AP, but says Majiffy is scum and will wagon maybe. What she's doing is basically leaving options open until she decides to jump on the wagon.

Also Alpacazard might be scum seeing Sven counterwagon rising up again.

Mastin why are you to en reading this so much. Are you REALLY sure about this one?

[AngryPidgeon]

Majiffy on a scale from 1 to big yellow

How bussed are you being this game?

[AngryPidgeon]

Majiffy seems town.

For vezok.
For dgb

[AngryPidgeon]

Fos*

[AngryPidgeon]

(But in all seriousness, I'm progressively going to be less frustrating this game.)

[AngryPidgeon]

(Page 33 = Sven and sekai are scum together, by the way.)

Sekai is scum, yes.

If you're scum (you are), congratulations, pie. You're playing to your wincon spectacularly, because you're ticking me off. Severely. I told you not to be doubtful of your abilities. But IF (BIG FREAKIN' IF) you were town, you've way. WAY. Overshot it. Into arrogance. If you think. seriously, legitimately. think. That I made that up. in specific response to you. That you think it was an excuse. That you think I was lying. That you think I was giving you so much as a second of thought when typing that. There was none. NONE. And you damn-well know it.

This. This is the :townposting: you COULD have been making 30 pages ago, mastin. I mean thank fuck its here, it took you long enough. No get over your scumread on Majiffy, consider acquiring one on Vezok, and kee up the progressively less annoying posting.

[AngryPidgeon]

Now** get over your scumread on Majiffy

[AngryPidgeon]

Meanwhile, in the world of Aegor...

Hi buddy, how ya doin'?

To be fair, his Vote on DGB is currently A++++, would buy from again. Shipping was prompt and left me positive feedback!!!

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually Majiffy is town.

Ya thanks but I figured this one out first. Feel free to get dunked by Zombie Hoard tonight though.

Ok so its literally just Sekai, DGB, Vezok, and 2 other people who can wait until D4.

UNVOTE: whoever I was voting; VOTE: Vezok

Mastin stop pooing on this wagon plz.

[AngryPidgeon]

You eventually flipped your read on Nacho and it was mostly because we both decided you were town and tried damn hard to drag your ass out of the fire. A fire that you replaced into.

It was partly that, partly other things. Like your defense of sirdanilot being ridiculously good.

[AngryPidgeon]

You should join the alpazard wagon. It will be good.

My vote WAS on the alpaca when you made this vote. The shock and awe this game is how forgettable your play has been this game. It isn't usually.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wow Vezok, could your reads be any more arbitrary?

[AngryPidgeon]

I think you may be scum, too.

Vezok is town. He's totally not self-conscious. That's not scum.

Much to his credit, he's reading AngryPigeon correctly as scum.

Where'd you get your information from, HUH?
You think that you can front when revelation comes?
Yaaaa, you can't front on that.

So whatcha whatcha whatcha want?

[AngryPidgeon]

Why would I try to hide my alignment?

I'd hit this with 10 crowbars

[AngryPidgeon]

Did Thor just scum slip About his majiffy read :/

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh that makes sense.
Can we both lynch dgb tomorrow? The 2 of us cheerleading a wagon can't fail.
She needs to go before she nus whichever of you me Thor mastin are town.

[AngryPidgeon]

NKs*

[AngryPidgeon]

Um... What?

I don't trust people to lynch DGB without me howling for it.

Majiffy/Thor/mastin are people I also trust to lynch her should I be unable.

[AngryPidgeon]

We could all be (and I think we all are) town.

[AngryPidgeon]

And if anyone here wants to do Q & A times with dopog that's cool too : )

This sort of post usually comes from town. Feels open and I like the self-auditing dopog is doing.

At least give her a chance to die by nk. I promise if somehow we are both alive by d4 I will give it a thought. Maybe.

You best be stepping up your GAME if you want me to be taking you seriously, bro.

~ Angry Pidgeon - somewhat lost in the lost; but basically his early game looks semi-chainsaw defency of sven (i.e. attacking mastin over her scumread on sven) but then joined the sven wagon + seemingly strong scumread on the sven for a while.

Yes? Mastin called Sven scum for posting an IMAGE. Although I can't blame anyone for thinking Im connected to Sven TBH.

From his wall thinking that RedCoyote was afraid of scumreading me. As in sounds as if he wants to scumread me. Hypothesis being that pushing a scumread on me could be perceived as too easy.

Believe me, RC has noooo issue pushing shit reads as scum. In normalized micro he was the sleaziest sleazeball. So just saying this is nota good reason to be suspicious of him.

So your response is: "you failed once" NOT "I am town in this game?"

LOL scum

Ya, except not at all. Reckoner did this (except moreso) in Shadows and Lights Mafia..and guess what. He was town!!?! #Confetti
This reaction from Zd is null at worst, and propably another reason to think hes town at best.
DGB, however, seems to just be flinging mud at this point.

--

I STILL don't have someone that I want to just tunnel on until they die.
I'm growing more confident that DGB is just scum this game.
Vezok seems bad and in particular the "Why would I have to hide my alignment?" felt like someone trying to pretend they are town. I mean seriously, no one is THAT dumb that they can't understand Majiffy was just calling them scum there.
Majiffy I'm paranoid about but tentatively calling town.

GIF/pidgey I need to reevaluate.
Ffery is still a moderate scumread.

My townreads need reorganizing, but they range from meh (nero) to strong (thor).

[AngryPidgeon]

Bulbazak is climbing his way up the town ladder recently.

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: Vezok; VOTE: DGB

If you come to battle bring a shotgun

[AngryPidgeon]

Seriously? You take that as a scum tell?
Either you are a bad at seeing scum tells or you are just flinging mud at me. I believe it's the latter.

Yes I do. Lets break this down so all the 5 year olds can be comprehending it.

Town has no reason to hide their alignment.
Scum do.

I don't think anybody doesn't realize this (feel free to raise your hand in shame if Im wrong).

Majiffy saying you aren't even hiding your alignment anymore is just a cheap potshot that translates to "Vezok is obviously scum guys".

You posting "But why would I have to obscure my alignment" in response to this is just -whiff- right over your head. I have a really hard time believing you got lost in Majiffy's words or otherwise missed thtat he is just calling you a scumbutt offhandedly.

Your response doesn't accomplish anything and it looks like you are trying to imply you are town. And really the only way you are town here is if you really didn't comprehend that Majiffy was calling you scum and had nothing else attached to that statement. I don't think your ass is that dumb, consider this a compliment.

[AngryPidgeon]

[1] Majiffy: Rubicon
[2] SweatingChessBall3: Aegor, AP
[2] PeregrineV: dopog, BBMolla
[2] Mastin2: Nero Cain, RedCoyote
[4] Alpazard: GuyInFreezer, Thor665,

sekai no ki

, Toogeloo
[5] Svenskt Stål: ActionDan, Alpazard, Mastin2, PeregrineV,

Bulbazak

[4] Vezokpiraka: pidgey, Majiffy, Zdenek, Svenskt Stal
[2] AngryPidgeon:

SweatingChessball3

, Vezokpiraka

Hrm, k. So just gonna stare at this for a little bit and conf bias a little bit in order to morph the evidence to fit my reads.

Lets start with the Alpaca. A lurkaderp slot to be sure that I really don't feel very much about. There doesn't seem to be a great csae on them besides this and a singular meta read from GIF which smells awful.

[4] Alpazard: GuyInFreezer,

Thor665

,

sekai no ki

,

Toogeloo

Probably one of Ffery/GIF is scum here, leaning ffery. I sort of doubt that both are.

[5] Svenskt Stål: ActionDan, Alpazard,

Mastin2

,

PeregrineV

,

Bulbazak

Welp. I have actiondan as a very very weak townread right now. Weak to the point that I'd still lynch him over most people in this game for being useless if nothing else.

As weird as it is, this wagon could all be town. Scum on it would most likely be Dan or the alpaca. Despite this, I don't think its a great wagon. It feels like one of those trap wagons that is going to end up being 90% town and then we just lynch off it repeatedly after Sven flips town until we lose.

[4] Vezokpiraka: pidgey, Majiffy,

Zdenek

,

Svenskt Stal

Sven is...town? Could see pidgey or Majiffy being scum on this one. Im somewhat doubting that Vezok/Majiffy are a team.

[2] AngryPidgeon:

SweatingChessball3

, Vezokpiraka

I'll admit, the buddying going down here would be pretty extreme for Vezok/DGB to be a team. TBH, the DGB/Majiffy angle and Vezok being town makes more sense on paper. So I guess I sort of doubt both of these are scum, but hm. I really want them to be.

[2] SweatingChessBall3:

Aegor

,

AP

[2] PeregrineV:

dopog

, BBMolla
[2] Mastin2: Nero Cain,

RedCoyote

Annnnd the vanity wagons. I think my color coding should make my opinion here fairly obvious.

tl;dr:
{GIF, Sekai}
{Nero, Molla}
{ChessBall + Majiffy? / Vezok + pidgey?}
{Sven?/Alpaca?}

[AngryPidgeon]

@GIF: What have they even done to make you think they are scum? All I see is you talking about how we need to wagon them for reactions and NotSci saying your read on him is bad and "bite me" and then going back to his V/LA or whatever.

You never actually said when your "lets reaction test Not sci" turned into a "not sci is le scummzorz"

@Vezok: No, I understand exactly. Your response is a roundabout way of saying "I have no need to hide my alignment because I'm town", except you managed to phrase a question out of it to which Majiffy's only response is going to be "because you are scum" which tells you nothing. This sort of thing often comes from scum who want to imply they are town w/o outright saying it (Thor when he rolls scum).

[AngryPidgeon]

Either way, why do you need majiffy to clarify the obvious?

Dan/DGB could easily be a team.

[AngryPidgeon]

Either way, why do you need majiffy to clarify the obvious?

Dan/DGB could easily be a team.

[AngryPidgeon]

Probscum:

RedCoyote: his unwillingness to post seems deliberately anti-town. His read on BBmolla (3rd place scum) and the reasons that he gave don't make sense in the context of his other reads.

Meh? Rc being a lurker is not alignment indicative Im afraid. I'll look for what you're saying about his BBMolla read though. Also, hes not getting lynched today. why are you voting him?

Pidgey: he attempts to create a false dichotomy between Sven and Bulbazak.

Yep. Picked up on the same thing.

Sekai no Ki (Fferyllt/Pieguyn Hydra): pieguy's catch-up post is horrible. I can't imagine anyone writing that and thinking that it's going to produce interactions or convey an understanding of his stances.

Y,a pieguy reads nervous, ffery reads defensive. I do not like them Sam I am. Of your lynch list, I like these the most for scum.

Lurking scum are Peregrine and Alpazard.

So why are you voting someone who is definitely not getting lynched instead of the alpaca who can definitely be lynched?

[AngryPidgeon]

To the contrary, I think its time to start consolidating. Ideally, we should be lynching someone in the next couple Days to give us breathing room. Ive had too many games where people derp around until the last minute and keep spamming walls.

[AngryPidgeon]

This post to be exact.
This is not town notsci going "suck it I'm obvtown."
This is scum notsci going "oh cool. Blah blah blah."

IDK, I would argue that the blatant sarcasm reads more along the lines of "suck it" than "oh cool"

[AngryPidgeon]

You know how I feel about meta cases.

[AngryPidgeon]

So you mean he's pretty reckless on who he chooses to push as scum? He's not afraid of lynching whoever? He pushes thin cases really hard? Just give me more here so I can think this out; because I don't know rc.

IMO, yes. He was shoving me and Danilot in the game I mentioned. We were both the easiest MLs of the Day and we were his top two scumreads.

His case on my slot had some bullshit to do with my predecessor being overdefensive, lurky, and waffly.

[AngryPidgeon]

He comes across as really genuine to me, although horribly misguided.

Pretty much.

Can we just flashwagon sekai now? Its like half the thread has realized shes scum but would feel bad about actually lynching her because shes ffery.

[AngryPidgeon]

What does bs stands for?

For serious?

[AngryPidgeon]

So what do you think they posted that they couldn't duplicate as scum?

pie's effort

I hope for GIFs sake, that GIF is actually just scum this game. One sec Zd.

[AngryPidgeon]

For scumminess it's hard to beat the fact that his scum listing from vez down doesn't track with his commentary. The fact that this can be explained by him trying to avoid the meta issue that AP pointed out is really icing on the cake.

I'm not seeing this?

He has Vezok as one of his lesser scumreads. He didn't say much about him but he did quote me making points against Vezok and said it made sense.

So I dunno. I definitely don't get why you think this Vezok thing is so BIG.

[AngryPidgeon]

Anyway, whatever made your eyeball pop out I elaborated on it few posts after.

The fact that somebody has managed to combine a meta read and activity read into one. On a hydra player. Who could easily be getting help from their hydra buddy behind the scenes.

ITs just such a weak reason to townread someone. I'd be ok if it was a BASIS for the townread and there were other factors, but townreading someone flatout for posting a couple sketchy catchup walls is bad.

[AngryPidgeon]

Now compare what he says/quotes about Sven, me and dopog with what he says/qutoes about Vezok and look at the ordering of his list.

What makes you think that he's been genuine?

IDK, my overall feel from his wall is that he's intent on tunneling on mastin and his other scumreads are less interesting to him. He definitely prodded Sven a bit (even if he didn't outright call him scum). I don't really see where his read on you is coming from and iirc dopog was also not explained that well. But neither was the Vezok read?

I see why this looks scummy to you (and I -could- see this coming from scum), but I really don't think its as bad as you are saying?

I see someone tunneling on mastin and catching up on posts without really having an agenda in mind (other than the tunnel on mastin). Him being behind and just focusing mastin as an easy way to be involved could be a scum thing, but I could also see this being from town.

[AngryPidgeon]

BBMolla is scum, but he has enough towncred ATM that we can't lynch him until D3 at the earliest.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well if you are expecting a case, you are gonna be disappointed. Im certainly not wasting mty time coughing one up just to get these responses:

No. Stop. Molla is town (town). You are only misreading him because you want to disagree with me

Molla is town. AP is going for low hanging fruits.

etc

Just skim his ISO. I realize that this is how he always comes off (makes lots of small assertions), but I'm reallly not feeling it right now. Especially since he is the sketchiest person on the vanity wagons atm and there is defo at least one scum on a vanity wagon.

His PV read just sort of appeared one day and the only justification is that hes "ungenuine". His deliberate waffling on my all Day just to agree with DGB's crap case felt terrible. Molla has no reason to believe that (frankly RC doesn't either come to think of it). No one has even qualified what about her general assertion actually translates into reality. And I'll go ahead and agree that Molla's defense of scummy people was weird to say the least.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why do you keep pushing for wagons without voting the targets?

To the contrary,

I think its time to start consolidating.

Ideally, we should be lynching someone in the next couple Days to give us breathing room. Ive had too many games where people derp around until the last minute and keep spamming walls.

This is an awesome post.

[AngryPidgeon]

Given that you would probably claim that you do not know BB's alignment 100% for sure, how can you maintain that his posting has led you to believe he is scum but also has given him towncred? And why would he not be able to be lynched today?

Because nobody really thinks hes scum and lots of people think Sven/alpazard/vezok/majiffy are scum? It takes about 2 brain cells to determine that he isn't up for lynch today, Aegor.

P-edit: that is a very good question.

[AngryPidgeon]

I detected that a lot of people think sekai is scum. I lofted the idea of a compromise wagon on her.

Nobody seemed interested. The end.

Why does me not moving my vote make one iota of difference to the situation?

[AngryPidgeon]

And you have not actually seriously pushed for BB. So forgive me for not believing that there is no way BB is up for a lynch today.

I mean its really pretty obvious that he isn't considering that nobody is scumreading him very heavily.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wagons require votes. If you are not willing to initiate the compromise that you apparently want, why would you expect others to?

Because asking if other people are interested before deciding if I want to go down that path is not a valid play?
You can't be serious right now. Call me cummy for testing the waters I guess, but I really don't see how you can argue that I'm half-assing this ffery push or whatever.

[AngryPidgeon]

I missed that, and she(it) comes across very town. Who are the peoples?

Apparently I was misremembering which is why I was beinging it up in the first place.

But I know mastin and bulbazak were on it. I thought Zdenek was interested as well.

[AngryPidgeon]

And yes, asking other people in a totally

non-committal way

is very questionable play, regardless of alignment.

Except I wasn't even remotely non-committal unless you count not-voting her as non-committal and I think you will admit that my vote doesn't need to be on them to ask if people are interested in wagoning them.

[AngryPidgeon]

Alp wagon is win-win.

Either he's scum or I can be smug towards gif tomorrow

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastina will not be dying tonight.

My list will probably be sekai, dgb, and dunno. Someone generally being scum read.

Fake edit: oh Dan might be solid.

[AngryPidgeon]

Alpaca, claim in your next post.

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Why do you oppose the Vezo one so much? I can't read him particularly, and even if he is town it's not like he's been a whirlwind of reads and he *is* a massive distraction to at least some town players. I think it would benefit to have him dead and flipped.

Paranoia? I keep wanting to scumread him (and have mentioned why) but for whatever reason I keep getting cold feet about him. I'm having a hard time seeing Vezok on a team with other people I find scummy (namely DGB).

You are right though, I'm probably wasting my time by submitting on DGB. Realistically, there aren't that many people outside of mastin, Vezok, Majiffy, Sven that are likely to die to this (assuming alpaca is lynched).
Of those 4, I'd feel ok with Majiffy or Vezok more than the other 2.

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I'm pretty resolved to just lynching the alpaca today.

This is there chance to make a swag claim post to convince me to loltunnel on someone else.

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You're just mad that I'm not a bird anymore

No claims except my soft one.

AAlpacazard has biggest wagon at 7 votes

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If alpaca flips town, I'm policy lynching GIF tomorrow.

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AP, I want to scumread you so bad because I don't want to believe your town game is this terrible. I want to scumread you for focusing on positioning a mis-vig for tonight while letting a townwagon drift along to nightfall and a last minute rush.

What? The alpaca wagon? Town-wagon in that its all town and on scum?
Im declaring intent to vote it in case you are too busy posturing about me to notice.

"focusing on positioning a misvig".

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Special seat for those asking for a premature claim, however.

lmao.

If you want there to be time to ACTUALLY have a legit CW spring up, its time to start NOW. And right now the only lynch that is going to go through is YOU and the only thing that is going to STOP THAT is a claim.

Your welcome for being helpful.

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This reads as so anti-town as to cross over into scummy because I honestly do not believe you're emotionally bought into the game enough to want to spite people over it.

This.

I honestly think a townie would be more concerned with taking responsibility for their (lack of) play which most definitely explains the majority of the wagon on them.

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Hey AP, why are we scum?

I don't give a fuck. You are being useless and a distraction. I've tried wagoning DGB/Vezok/pidgey and no one is interested and you only have yourself to blame for not actually participating in the game right now and then showing up to QQ about being lynched for it.

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svenskt wagon. The alpaca wagon has mostly grown in spite of you today.

What so Im responsible for aggressively dismantling the Sven wagon? I don't have a strong enough townread on him to both expending the effort to do so. You'll notice that I -am- trying to lynch other people and have started caring less and less as no one seems interested in lynching my top picks Today.

If I were giving you credit for actually strategizing, that's what I would think.

Im not the one who brought up the night mechanic. I just listed who *I* was planning on voting (because why the hell not) and then talked to Thor about what I *should* do to maximize my usefulness with it.
How the hell am I positioning a misvig (loaded language noted).

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Basically, this is me telling a townread to pull up your damn socks and do better tomorrow.

Right except bacically by "do better" you mean "stop scumreading me"
When asked about why Im doing bad, thats really all you can throw up.

You seem to agree with a fair number of my reads. So your extended "Wah wah AP is bad" campaign feels like shit.

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How dare I meta-read Mastin

This is like my 9001st time saying that your mastin read had nothing to do with your alignment and everything to do with me making a statement that meta-reads on mastin are all going to be worthless.

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VOTE: alpacasaur

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Can I have a brief review of why people want to lynch this guy. God forbid I iso him.

I'm just bussing him for town cred .

[AngryPidgeon]

Have we decided on a random townie to lynch yet?

PV seems pretty random and townie.

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Why did the majiffy wagon that was forming disolved? Why is vezok not LYNCHED D ADASJFPAWFNWFA KILL HIM

Are you in this game or just kind of

flying under the radar

?

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But NS, you've been calling them town all game. Why are they null for no reason whatsoever now?

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Vezok

Much better lynch than PV.

IIRC Slandaar made a very detailed and supported case for F-bombs being a scumtell from pidgey way back when

[AngryPidgeon]

If i remember correctly i was town and he was so fuckin wrong.

Not only were you town, you were cop confirmed town and we lynched you anyways.

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Don't worry about Aegor, hes the scum that will sneak by to D3 or so before people realize hes just hovering around the thread w/o actually doing anything.

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His vote on SCB. Which came after AP and I, who had both expressed desire for more SCB votes, moved onto the Alpa and then PV wagons.

That isn't bad/scummy though. You are forcing a point against PV over nothing.

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My vote was pretty much a wagon vote. My comment was not actually the reasoning behind my vote. Although it did bother me.

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Or not. You really should not infer anything from my posts. I will make explicit everything that is relevant. Inferring that my vote on PV followed from my previous statement is already too much inference. But I doubt this will convince you anyway.

I never said I cared why you are voting Pv. I said your point against him is bad. And you then proceeded to distance from your point against him by saying it had nothing to do with your vote instead of actually defending your point.

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Look at my ISO and tell me what posts do you feel come from a scum mindset.

Burden of proof, BULLSHIT.

People have been doing this all game around the thread by the by.

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1)Scum have a way of messing with the mechanic (probably).
2) Therefore we shouldn't coordinate at all.

Uhhhhh. Ok Dan. You go on doing your thing. Can you help me lynch Vezok?

[AngryPidgeon]

God knows what Peregrine is

Peregrine is a distraction from people who are actually scum.

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I already explained my point. You said it was neither bad nor scummy. I cannot defend it further against such vague counterpoints, and your expectation that I will is misguided. And you are completely wrong when you claim I am distancing. It did have nothing to do with my vote, which would have come regardless of whether PV voted SCB.

Typically one would explain exactly why it was scummy of PV to do that instead of throwing in the towel about a point you thought relevant enough to bring up and asserting that your vote had nothing to do with it.

And did it not occur to you that DGB did something RECENT that made Pv want to vote her?

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I personally am not feeling Red Coyote, but the others are ok.

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Lol.

I sort of want Aegor or DGB then?

Tbph Molla isn't bad.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nero best be overflowing with town Tomorrow.

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Reminder: ffery is scum.

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I'd like to point out that she looked up a recent game where we were both town and analyzed why I town read her. And posted about it here.

I'll let everyone think on that.

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@AP I've gone back and reread the normalized fun micro, trying to figure out how you managed to get to a townread on me-sangres in that game, and I realized that you didn't townread me. You eventually flipped your read on Nacho and it was mostly because we both decided you were town and tried damn hard to drag your ass out of the fire. A fire that you replaced into.

Much town motivation, very wow.