Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

first

[GuyInFreezer]

Now that the business is taken care of

VOTE: Sekai No K

This time, no lolrvscase because I'm lazy

[GuyInFreezer]

This is semi-serious btw.

They confirmed way too late so they were being either lazy or scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

18. Pidgey
19. AngryPidgeon

Who will be the top bird in this game?

[GuyInFreezer]

Also
[insert general zombie catchphrase here]

[GuyInFreezer]

Also is it just me or do the common male zombies looks like bunch of South Americans?

[GuyInFreezer]

dats racis

I didn't say "Mexicans" on purpose to make it look not racist-y :<

[GuyInFreezer]

Scum in where?

P-Edit: Cool.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also this guy did it better.

[GuyInFreezer]

Last Venmar's zombie game had a mafia traitor so that would explain everything.

[GuyInFreezer]

I believe you.

[GuyInFreezer]

You have a case on you.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF, you're town, please vote Aegor who has claimed scum

But for once I think I'm actually on something great :<

VOTE: Aegor

[GuyInFreezer]

Then how about toogeloo?

[GuyInFreezer]

No cases I make will never be as strong as that case so

[GuyInFreezer]

ever*

[GuyInFreezer]

Right, so I'm pretty dang certain this opener makes you town, but serious question--I was the third-to-last to confirm; does that make me scum, too?

Dunno.
But I know that at least pieguy was around for a while after role PM was out so there.

[GuyInFreezer]

So is mastin scum for not doing the rvs readlist?

[GuyInFreezer]

You have a case on you.

I saw it.

Your translation of "hi guys" was a stronger case.

Also this sounds ridiculously boring.

[GuyInFreezer]

No, but I can be scum for being super-serious and actually explaining my reads in as much detail as humanly possible.

So I just caught you for wrong reason. Noted!

[GuyInFreezer]

MAFIA BONER DETECTED IN PANTS OF SELF

I'm probably ruining a joke but I dunno what this mean :<

[GuyInFreezer]

The whody what now?

Whenever I saw mastin, he did the rvs readlist thing.

[GuyInFreezer]

Does he seem scum to you in other respects?

Not really. Otherwise, she just looks like normal mastin self.

[GuyInFreezer]

The whody what now?

Whenever I saw mastin, he did the rvs readlist thing.

she*

It always takes forever for me to amend something that my brain initially picked up.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's ok.
I'm trying not to be my normal (by normal, I mean recently-has-become-slump-and-lurky) self too!

[GuyInFreezer]

Mastin's playing more aggressively in general lately. I'm still adjusting to it. This is a level or two above that, I think.

Then I guess I'm being oblivious.

[GuyInFreezer]

(BTW, I think mastin is town now)

[GuyInFreezer]

No way. That means that I actually have to elaborate something.
Ask a simple question of "why" and I'll answer.

[GuyInFreezer]

SIGH

Srry but it's almost midnight and I feel drowsy :<

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I kinda wanna talk about the mechanics a bit.
When would be the good time to talk about it?

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I kinda wanna talk about the mechanics a bit.
When would be the good time to talk about it?

In the dead thread

dayvig:GIF

*gasps for breath*

*slumps down*

*flips town*

[GuyInFreezer]

4/10
not badass enough

P-Edit: can't tell if serious

[GuyInFreezer]

Ask a simple question of "why" and I'll answer.

Okay.
Why?

Mastin, you're just going to have to deal with it.

I am not. I repeat. NOT. Accepting townreads on me, when I've specifically gone out of my way to weird players out. Like...Nero's response is probably from town. That, I'd expect. Not...this.

Sven's probably scum, because this is the same Sven from Anything Goes.

This is a legitimate scumclaim, rather than Aegor's faked scumclaim, because it's taking the fun but instead of running with it (voting Aegor), he takes this approach, to avoid drawing attention to himself. Especially since Aegor (having self-voted first) would take the brunt of the blow. It's scum trying to blend in during the RVS, while also trying to avoid becoming part of something they'd rather avoid. (For instance, if Aegor got wagoned to, say, L-1, it'd be something a scum-Rubicon would want to be off of like the plague.)

You make good points and I like the cut of your jib.

Oh?

You're probably not serious but I could see a mastin2 and BBmolla as both scum at this point on the grounds that they were both being weirdly serious in RVS: mastin2 for example, "I was the third-to-last to confirm; does that make me scum, too?" and his thing about me. BBmolla making a big deal about policy lynching people for claiming scum, exaggerated irritation with it, etc.

Says otherwise. Dat cog-dis.

VOTE: mastin2

Dat OMGUS.

Your "but then" and "of course this blah blah id possible" kinda posts ring town to me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh, and for the people I haven't played with before.
I'm Thor, and I am either charmingly sarcastic and witty...or a sociopath.
Opinions vary.

Also, everyone who claimed scum already is a bad player.
Just saying.
Work on that.

How does town mastin looks like?

[GuyInFreezer]

Thats a shitty reason to get a scum read on me




VOTE: Bulba

why bulba

[GuyInFreezer]

It's from whatever my sister is watching these days.

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

Why didn't I get an Ellis role PM
/cries

VOTE: Sven

VOTE: Alpazard

[GuyInFreezer]

but can you explain to me why I should tell it to you now?

Curiosity + felt like a good question to ask.

[GuyInFreezer]

Toog, less game theory, more scumhunting

[GuyInFreezer]

Early morning townhunting
AP town
SnK town (pie is waaaaay easier to read than fery lol)
Nero Cain town
BBmolla town (I just didn't mention it earlier)
Aegor piegey town

am I missing someone?

[GuyInFreezer]

If I flavor spec'd a bit and the mechanic, I think it's likely for scum to have something like bile bomb.

[GuyInFreezer]

So..."no" as the response then?
Okay - in that case I'm dodging your pro-scum question.

Fine with me.

[GuyInFreezer]

And you're inclined to think it was the latter? Why? Also, why are you saying that it's semi-serious? Is it or is it not serious? Also also, why single out that play for late confirmation? I know for a fact that both myself and Thor (Thor as evidenced by the OP) were also late to confirm.

I don't know if others were around. But as I said, I did know that pieguy was around after the time role PMs were sent.
By semi-serious, I guess it's more on non-serious side. I was basically trolling fery with it but I did have a minor lingering suspicion there.

Because of the gender stuff? What does that have to do with mastin's alignment?

Your "but then" and "of course this blah blah id possible" kinda posts ring town to me.

A bile bomb depends on if L4D2 flavor would make it into this game or not.

Left 4 Dead Mafia!

I see both titles.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Alphazard

[GuyInFreezer]

Then again no one remembers me either so.

I do!
You're p town to me just like the big bird.

[GuyInFreezer]

Im going to go insane if I have to read ffery myself.

Why?

[GuyInFreezer]

her*

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF is town
I'll go BBmolla town, mastin town

post

this entire post feels forced. none of it seems like it's coming from an angle of trying to figure anything out

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

this feels like flow-going. anything else you have to say?

Zdenek is town as shit

Bulbazak, you don't feel confident or aggressive because Mastin called you an a-hole?

No, she called me an a-hole awhile ago. I've been reevaluating how I tackle games, since my town win-rate is abysmal. I just feel out of my depth atm.

seems genuine. Bulba is probably town

I hate how Rubicon's reaction to his wagon was to just blatantly ignore it

ok I can't take it anymore Aegor is town as shit

You are reading the mod's info in the most rose-colored way possible if you believe scum won't be given at least one if not more tools to influence the horde.

There is no indication what so ever that scum would have any influence.

First off, people with the Horde Mentality have to pick three names. Of these three names, the host randomly ousts two of them. Then he tallies the names up and the one with the most gets killed. It's practically random in and of itself.

Everyone with the Horde Mentality could put "Toogeloo" down as one of their choices, but if I get ousted from every list, I am not dying. It's just too random of a situation to think that scum would have a power to influence it at this stage.

And furthermore, even if you believe that scum have a way to manipulate the horde, why are you condoning actually giving them more information to work with in order to better utilize said ability?

^probably town? it seems like a genuine attempt to figure shit out and his assumption about the mechanic, while I disagree, seems like smth town would do

what's about it?

TOWN

Chessball====3
Alpazard
Bulbazak
Zdenek
BBmolla
Toogeloo is vanilla town
GIF
Rubicon

MEDIUM RARE

Sven's vezok vote is pretty good.
sekai is townish.
Thor starts bad but posts 175 and 176 aren't cranky, so probtown.
mastin2

SCUM PILE FOR SORTING

ActionDan may be buttering me up.
AngryPidgeon
Peregrine is nervous that I'll catch him being scum again, I have fried his brain.
Aegor
vezok

explain Alpazard, Rubicon, Peregrine, Aegor


anyway
town: GIF, BBmolla, Aegor, Zdenek
null-town: mastin, Toog, Bulba

scum: Rubicon, vezok

vote: Rubicon

wagon ahoy

@AP:

what exactly is your read on mastin?

what's about 53? I don't see it 0.0

and is that the only reason you have him as null-scum? bc I didn't see you bring up any other posts of his. if not, can you elaborate plz

so I assume you don't wanna tell me what the problem with 53 is?

I wanna know cause it seemed like a typical mastin post to me, but this is the first time I'm trying to do a personal read on mastin so idk how much I should actually trust said read

These are probably pie posts (noting)
Dunno if he posted more than this though

[GuyInFreezer]

Why?

Even though his posts are pretty generic, I find him dropping by time to time expressing his thoughts pretty town.

What do you hope to gain from asking this?

By progressive gain, probably none. By motivational gain, plenty.

[GuyInFreezer]

Wow GIF.

This is a pretty mindblowing reason to townread someone.

I find carefree "lol just my two cents" posts quite town.

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek, mastin2, GIF, pidgey, Sekai
Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo, Majiffy
The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine

[GuyInFreezer]

It's not asterisk, but an arrow pointing upward. Meaning Molla is in between the "inner" and "outer"
P-Edit: lol

[GuyInFreezer]

Why are you townreading me?

Why not

Jeez explaining my read on someone who I read as town always makes me feel awkward, especially when I'm basing a lot of reads on gut and feels.
If I have to explain more than just "gut", my answer would be... your tone, I guess.
As in, I find your posts not overly-aggressive. I do have some twitches on seeing no aggression at all, but I'm counting that on you just being lazy regardless of your alignment.

Why are you townreading Toog?

Gut. Content wise I would put him at null. But my gut likes his post, especially 514.

Would you consider a Vezok wagon?

I could. I don't mind lending vote on someone who's in "The Rest" reads.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok ok fine

Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek, GIF, pidgey, Sekai
Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo, Majiffy
The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine
Town but someone please call the Tank and make him throw the concrete at him or something: mastin2

Better now?

[GuyInFreezer]

Why did you bold these names in GIFs llist?

Because they're absolutely horrible to have where they are, especially with no reasoning?

The only read that you bolded that I haven't explained is Sekai.

[GuyInFreezer]

And even then, fery is one of the players here that I'm pretty confident reading so

[GuyInFreezer]

Didn't we just go over about how my aggressiveness, lack thereof, laziness, etc. is neither a towntell nor a scumtell? Jesus.

Whatever, I'll let it ride for a while.

There is one more reason I'm townreading you other than that, but I'm not posting it here yet because I could be too hasty on this one.

What do you think about his post where he continued the "I'm scum hurr hurr" argument that looks an awful lot like towncred-fishing to me?

It didn't look forced to be "hur hur gimme towncred" posts.

Feel free to plaec voat.

But then if I do I might anger papa smurf :<

[GuyInFreezer]

Lol fuck you Ap you are probably fkn scum your case on me is "o he has easy targets" what the fuck is that shit and why are they easy no one is even moving their votes to them

In case ppl are doubting pidgey town

[GuyInFreezer]

In post 625, GuyInFreezer wrote:
It didn't look forced to be "hur hur gimme towncred" posts.


In post 40, Toogeloo wrote:
Guess I better bus.

Unvote;
Vote: Aegor



In context, this is unquestionably a towncred fish. Click the link, read back from the page before.

I read those when I was hyperactive. I didn't feel any "I wanna towncred" feel on those posts. It just looked smooth and natural, as in town-natural.

[GuyInFreezer]

What's with me sniping pagetop for past 3 pages without trying?

[GuyInFreezer]

Lol fuck you Ap you are probably fkn scum your case on me is "o he has easy targets" what the fuck is that shit and why are they easy no one is even moving their votes to them

In case ppl are doubting pidgey town

What's so town about this?

First of all it is too blatant of a scum move to outright OMGUS him at this point.
Second of all the frustration looks real even though I personally think it's bit too early.

[GuyInFreezer]

I read those when I was hyperactive. I didn't feel any "I wanna towncred" feel on those posts. It just looked smooth and natural, as in town-natural.

Maybe you should read them again, then. In context. And see how much of an obvious credgrab it was.

Lol fuck you Ap you are probably fkn scum your case on me is "o he has easy targets" what the fuck is that shit and why are they easy no one is even moving their votes to them

In case ppl are doubting pidgey town

What's so town about this?

First of all it is too blatant of a scum move to outright OMGUS him at this point.
Second of all the frustration looks real even though I personally think it's bit too early.

Ok first of all too scummy to be scum is not a real defense.
Second of all scum can be frustrated for being caught herp derp da herp berp kerp.

Then I guess it's different opinion stuff then.

Ok let me rephrase myself
What he did is town frustration.

[GuyInFreezer]

I miss Bacde. nobody P1 scumclaims as well as that troll : (

Also this guy did it better.

Hey look we actually agree on something

[GuyInFreezer]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4772429
^ Imma let you finish, but this is the greatest scum claim ever posted.

I was in that game. How did I miss that post?
Oh yeah I replaced in as scumslot.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey sekai who are you voting

[GuyInFreezer]

Alpazard seems kinda town

Why? It looks surprisingly empty coming from notsci hydra

[GuyInFreezer]

I guess his 169 is bit townish but the rest looks too empty.
Also I still didn't like his first post.

[GuyInFreezer]

(And also there was a deleted post of alpha trying to tie my suspicion on his post to his sven vote)

[GuyInFreezer]

No.
P-Edit: @Alpha

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote alpha with me. He's gonna either hilariously obvtown himself or hilariously obvscum himself.

Null bc I haven't spent my time figuring him out yet.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't bite. I punch.

[GuyInFreezer]

It worked hilariously well in Cash Cabd

[GuyInFreezer]

(In fact, it worked so well that one vote was enough)

[GuyInFreezer]

#rekt

[GuyInFreezer]

He is way too cocky and proud to be scum. If he was scum he'd think in another way.

Do you have meta on this? I don't think that it is true in general.

GiF, why are you town reading me?

Et tu brute
like srsly somebody other than zdenek ask my read on zdenek please so I don't feel awkward.

It worked hilariously well in Cash Cabd

(In fact, it worked so well that one vote was enough)

heh.

Then why do you need our vote?

You know you want to

[GuyInFreezer]

And there.
Alpha answered your question for me.
A vote reaction won't work on him so we need an actual wagon on him!

[GuyInFreezer]

Shit.
Now everyone will know that I'm AP's alt.

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF, what about this then, why did you post the reads-list and why do you give out town-reads?

I will answer this when I go back to my home.

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought it was notsci + pitoli?
P-Edit: that

[GuyInFreezer]

(And don't worry this avi isn't gonna stay long but I'm amused with my own joke so there)

[GuyInFreezer]

Shit.
Now everyone will know that I'm AP's alt.

I'm confused.

[GuyInFreezer]

Wait shit. That's actually my post.
brb changing back avi

[GuyInFreezer]

Just for commemoration

[GuyInFreezer]

how the hell are you townreading me so soon? and how sure are you of AP town?

I found a very easy way to read you.
Very sure.

[GuyInFreezer]

how sure are you of AP town?

also why is mastin town and what's your read on vezok? those two are together. do you think their interactions are different from the mastin/Pasch interactions in AOT?

As I said, very sure.

For mastin, wait few weeks, then I'll tell you.
I haven't had much energy to go through the posts deeply, so I haven't really focused on all the people. If there's a wall-post, the chance is, I skimmed it or skipped it.
I'll look into it deeply probably tomorrow or Saturday.

[GuyInFreezer]

page top again.
I'm 2 pro

[GuyInFreezer]

Btw I'm supposed to be V/LA until today.
(The V/LA post got lost though)

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I can't believe no one linked this song 30 pages into this game.

[GuyInFreezer]

/daily post quota

[GuyInFreezer]

I probably need a reset for this game

[insert "OMGBACKPEDALLINGSCUM" here]
dw the stuff will make its way to here whenever I have a motivation to wall.

[GuyInFreezer]

Alpazard still needs death.
Town-Alpa(notsci) would've gone "LET'S GO THEN *self-vote*" when I (and Thor) asked for wagon on him.

[GuyInFreezer]

At least, with that kind of "I'm obvtown" attitude.

[GuyInFreezer]

And mastin outs sven as her alt.

[GuyInFreezer]

In constrast, the Apla wagon has both GiF and sekai on it. It is scum-driven.

I seriously hope this isn't the only reason you're townreading Alpa.
Look. I'm not gonna even bother convincing you that I'm town. If you wanna scumread me for not giving you the attention you want oh so much, then go ahead.

But are you seriously calling notsci town
Even after all the scumclaim he made
Just because of the shoddy "vca without flip"
You're ignoring all the scum-notsci reaction

That's just fucked up
But I still think you're town
Open your eyes
See the truth behind the curtain

Why am I mad all the sudden
Dunno. The frustration is just killing me

[GuyInFreezer]

Like, go back to F:EA and Cash Cabd.
Go back to his towngames.

See how he dealt with the pressure.

And then come back to this game and see his posts

The difference is painfully obvious

[GuyInFreezer]

Mastin
Have you played with town notsci before

[GuyInFreezer]

So where exactly did notsci looked town in this game?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ugh
How can I explain this clearly
First of all it's not a singular meta read.
It is "so painfully obvious even from that one instance".
I am not pushing it because of one shoddy minor meta read.
I am pushing it because it is painfully obvious, at least for me.
His town attitude and scum attitude upon votes/wagons are just that transparent.

[GuyInFreezer]

It worked hilariously well in Cash Cabd

(In fact, it worked so well that one vote was enough)

One game from a while ago that you voted me when I was the only remaining scum left in a town with a cop and a doctor in my way

Yeah you're right I totally am readable by my vote reactions

This post to be exact.
This is not town notsci going "suck it I'm obvtown."
This is scum notsci going "oh cool. Blah blah blah."

[GuyInFreezer]

You never actually said when your "lets reaction test Not sci" turned into a "not sci is le scummzorz"

Oops. I can tell you that it started when I pointed out that the vote reaction apparently doesn't work on him, wherever I said that.

[GuyInFreezer]

@GiF have you done your reset? Want to talk reads?

Not yet, unfortunately. But I doubt that the read change would be dramatic.

[GuyInFreezer]

And that tone isn't town from him.
I could quote some examples from different games.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well if you don't like meta stuff, there's also their bad reaction to my question that got eaten by tiger. (The one that you pointed out.)

[GuyInFreezer]

@GIF: just go keep talking about why you're scumreading all on alp instead of keeping on talking that you have the scumread.

But that's what I'm doing?

[GuyInFreezer]

Every single word of this post is terrible.

Terrible as in?
Because I just took it as a jocular prod dodge.

[GuyInFreezer]

Good showings by Toog, pidgey, Thor, Majiffy,

GIF

, and BB from pages 17-35.

>Gets quoted once

:<

[GuyInFreezer]

Here tomorrow to sheep gif

I mean skim

I mean catch up

Oh cool. Blah blah blah

Oh the irony

[GuyInFreezer]

.....

[GuyInFreezer]

I think I am speaking to the wall
hahaha get it
masrina
wall

[GuyInFreezer]

You know what
ill call you sabrina from now on

[GuyInFreezer]

If you are can be blunt I can be blunt too
I dont see sekai scum everything they posted is very town
half of you guys are terrible

[GuyInFreezer]

If you all

[GuyInFreezer]

Also the ironic part is that my sekai read ks based on pieguy not fery
Why look at hard-to-read-fery when you have easy-to-read-pieguy

[GuyInFreezer]

Speaking of half terribles
didnt someone say that half of the game townreads alpa?
Hey it checks out

[GuyInFreezer]

So where exactly did notsci looked town in this game?

In reaction to you. Additionally, posting minorly leans that way.

Vezok who RC, aside from Mastin, argues most strongly against in his posts appears highest in list before we get to the lurkers. The only particular thing he had a problem with regarding Sven seems to be that Sven gave him a town lean in one post and then said that no one should be giving those a players a town lean. Well okay, it's not a lie, but its pretty clear that Sven just went to Activity Overview and made a list of low posters - it's thoughtless, but I don't see enough scum intent there to justify RC's stance. As far as I can tell his desire to lynch me is an attempt to buddy with Toogeloo, but I'm biased. He doesn't give any reason to read dopog as scum, so I assume that has to do with lolzy connections with Mastin. As far as his read on Mastin goes, the fact that it lacks any subtlety probably means that it's bs.

Indeed. If anyone actually bought the BS in his post, I'll bother addressing it. But I just went through this BS with sekai. I'm not going to go through it again with RC.

What does bs stands for?

[GuyInFreezer]

I will do everything to prevent sekai from being lynched even if that means vigging the shit out of half of this playerlist
People cant vote when theyre dead!

[GuyInFreezer]

So venmar if you would please add the word "vigilante" in my role pm that would be fantastic

[GuyInFreezer]

Also the ironic part is that my sekai read ks based on pieguy not fery
Why look at hard-to-read-fery when you have easy-to-read-pieguy

Oh bullshit. You spotted scum-me with like 1 post in ny 167.

Objectionally speaking you silly

[GuyInFreezer]

Um is it objectionally or objectly or objectively
fuck I should stop plsting today

[GuyInFreezer]

Why does sven wagon still exists?

[GuyInFreezer]

So what do you think they posted that they couldn't duplicate as scum?

pie's effort

[GuyInFreezer]

So what do you think they posted that they couldn't duplicate as scum?

pie's effort

I don't think that I've played with pieguy before, what games are you using for comparison?
Do you have a non-meta reason for town reading them?

Based on his towngame such as IN, and based on his scumgame that we hydra'd together and Touhou upick (I think except for the gundam game, I was scum with him in every scumgame he played lol).
He promises time to time that he will show off his best scumgame and needs to improve blah blah blah, but then, once he actually rolls scum, he just lurks
/runs

Anyway, currently pie has a motivation issue in mafia games in general, so him actually efforting this big is a huge plus towards town-pie.
If Sekai rolled scum, the hydra posts should've been dominated by fery's posts. But no, pie is efforting. That's enough for me to put them in strong townlist.

as for non-meta, why bother with one when I can already see the town sekai for behavioral reason?
I townread them and I am confident about it with the reasoning I already have. I don't see a need to go look for another one.

You can disagree with me if you disagree, but in the end, mafia is not all about the posts/logic but also about the behaviors.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why does sven wagon still exists?

Because he's scum and needs to die. Please try to keep up.

But I am keeping up.
Currently, Sven wagon consists of: Whoisthisguy, my_scum_read, my_town_but_having_an_off_game_read, mr.guy-who-voted-for-being-lazy, and mr.guy-whose-view-is-tainted-with-policy.
Am I missing something?

[GuyInFreezer]

It's not a mafia game without "omg this guy sucks so much I just hope he's scum but he's probably town" reads

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, whatever made your eyeball pop out I elaborated on it few posts after.

[GuyInFreezer]

You talk in general. I talk in player-specific.

[GuyInFreezer]

See the difference?
If we're talking about in general, you're right.
However, the situation changes when it gets to the player-specific issue.
How close is this player to the general stuff we all assume? Are the situation same? etc.

[GuyInFreezer]

BBMolla is scum

?

I kinda wanna talk about someone else for a change.

[GuyInFreezer]

How could I be irresponsible and ask someone for a case when I don't do them myself?
I just wanted to switch focus on someone random.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, I'll look over his ISO and see if I can see what you see.

[GuyInFreezer]

What's your current reads on major wagons?
{Vezok, Sven, Alpa}

[GuyInFreezer]

@AP: Stuff in parenthesis in the end of sentences are my responses.

[X] Just skim his ISO. (Done!)

[X] I realize that this is how he always comes off (makes lots of small assertions), but I'm reallly not feeling it right now. (Feeling what, exactly?)

[-] Especially since he is the sketchiest person on the vanity wagons atm and there is defo at least one scum on a vanity wagon. (Note to self: review AP's post about the wagon thingy)

[X] His PV read just sort of appeared one day and the only justification is that hes "ungenuine". (Agreed)

[X] His deliberate waffling on my all Day just to agree with DGB's crap case felt terrible. (Ehhhhhhh what I see is him just auto-towning you bc lolcan'tread until DGB's pointing out something and giving it consideration. So I think you're seeing bit too much into this.)

[X] Molla has no reason to believe that (frankly RC doesn't either come to think of it). (Why?)

[X] No one has even qualified what about her general assertion actually translates into reality. (Can you explain with easy words? )

[X] And I'll go ahead and agree that Molla's defense of scummy people was weird to say the least. (Name the particular?)

[GuyInFreezer]

Hrm, k. So just gonna stare at this for a little bit and conf bias a little bit in order to morph the evidence to fit my reads.

Ok. Your entire point is discarded.

[GuyInFreezer]

Can you elaborate on what is so town about sekai's posting? Behavior conforms with meta? Content is pro-town? Why exactly?

You can ignore the drunkpost

It's in last page.

[GuyInFreezer]

Is Aegor still town?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok caught up.

Hi

[GuyInFreezer]

So what do you think they posted that they couldn't duplicate as scum?

pie's effort

I don't think that I've played with pieguy before, what games are you using for comparison?
Do you have a non-meta reason for town reading them?

Based on his towngame such as IN, and based on his scumgame that we hydra'd together and Touhou upick (I think except for the gundam game, I was scum with him in every scumgame he played lol).
He promises time to time that he will show off his best scumgame and needs to improve blah blah blah, but then, once he actually rolls scum, he just lurks
/runs

Anyway, currently pie has a motivation issue in mafia games in general, so him actually efforting this big is a huge plus towards town-pie.
If Sekai rolled scum, the hydra posts should've been dominated by fery's posts. But no, pie is efforting. That's enough for me to put them in strong townlist.

as for non-meta, why bother with one when I can already see the town sekai for behavioral reason?
I townread them and I am confident about it with the reasoning I already have. I don't see a need to go look for another one.

You can disagree with me if you disagree, but in the end, mafia is not all about the posts/logic but also about the behaviors.

Yes it is.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok caught up.

Hi

Hi! Sorry to see you are still stuck in the freezer, but can you quickly give your top 3 scum and top3 (not-you) town?

As town goes, Sekai/AP/Mastin.
As scum goes, I have one scumread on my own (Alpa) and currently secretly sheeping the majority shamelessly on (vezok). Rest of the ppl are either lean town or unsorted.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because looking at some of the stuff you've said about me is just damn wrong.

1) You misreading my tone yet AP reading it correctly, even though you're the one claiming to be the master of ns-tone.

2) "This seems empty for a ns hydra" How active was I in MVP, GIF? What about Task? What about notSakura? Was I active at the start of any of those games either?

3) You've had your vote planted on us for the longest fucking time pretending it actually did something.

1) What does AP's view on your posts have to do with this? I haven't even seen your read on AP.

2) Empty as in "empty content and devoid of anything in your posts." Also saying "lol I lurk as hydra" doesn't automatically make you town. You should be proving why you're town, not why you're not scum.

3) Last time I checked, your wagon is the lead wagon.

[GuyInFreezer]

So GIF, you have about 2 pages to fix your read on us

That is only possible if you have actually done something town

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also, speaking of MVP, let's quote one of your few posts in that NY game, shall we?

Subject: NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

Spoiler: Wall

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

Betting on at least one to refuse and expect you to know who is talking at all times.

I'll sign but it gives no clue to my main.

[quotestack]

VOTE: Cabd / MC Makara

Um so you get on a policy lynch and then make a random vote?

Why don't you pursue this more? You placean accusation without pursuing it further, why?

VOTE: Hermy

Yep.

townread on,Sakura Hana, but light.

Tim Tebow

We are relieved to learn that our random vote has landed in an intelligent place!

Would anybody care to explain what exactly I've done wrong?

This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Hyde

So the person I voted had a scummy reaction but you still don't like my post? Okay. Seems kinda counter-intuitive but hey, that's just me.

I want sakura to justify this

There's quite a difference between Hermy and me and it bothers me that you're saying I do the same thing when you were the one who pointed it out to me in site chat.

For everyone else:

I'm known for self-voting/self-hammering, tho it's something im trying to move away from.
Hermy's known for self-voting IN LYLO as town.

Big Difference.

Selfvoting in lylo=selfhammering. Both throw games. So no, small difference.

Hermy's known for self-voting IN LYLO as town.

What was the reasoning behind this? I've seen respectable players do it because they know the game is winnable if they do so.

How would a game be winnable by self voting in LYLO as a townie? I'm not sure you're paying attention to what you're saying.

I like you for town.

Holy crickets. I self-voted in Ly-Lo
- Once
- In my first newbie game
- When I was extremely pissed off
- And was going to get lynched anyway

I've never done it otherwise. Ugh. It was a one off, I feel stupid for doing so, but I'd truly prefer it if I wasn't labelled as bad for something I did ONCE, ages ago

That's nice. Don't really care, but that's nice.

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

You plan on nonchalantly saying these things without pursuing these further? And Mine was serious.

How does this have three pages

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

I got annoyed because I'm not 'known' for it. I did it once. I don't like to be mislabeled.

Guess what: It doesn't go away. Move on.

Well that's better...

And that post doesnt seem faked anyway, now I'd rather lynch this guy

Unvote
Vote: Wake

Why?

VOTE: Wake88

^

Well that's better...

And that post doesnt seem faked anyway, now I'd rather lynch this guy

Unvote
Vote: Wake

VOTE: Wake88

Any particular reason why?

I like the synergy in our thought processes. You get a townread too.

Any particular reason why?

Reactions.

Why do you care?

Way to fuck up any reasoning for that vote. Now, why is it still there?

Any particular reason why?

Reactions.

Why do you care?

Because I see votes without reasons, and I like people to have reasons so I can better follow what they're thinking.

Yo, I like you.

This is confirmed Town.

Really?
Wouldnt you be mad if someone messed up with your reaction tests by asking questions like that?

You fucked up your reaction test, not him.

Most of the time, Town fucks up everything

Last time i did a gambit i got a conf town, but town lynched him anyway.
Then i found both scum and subtly stated the plan for LyLo since i was conf town and was dying, but town didnt see it.

Yeah I concede... town does fuck up everything, maybe i shouldn't even play since town is gonna fuck up everything right?

Nope, I still will try, and I don't find any town motivation behind someone screwing other people's plans, and you giving him a conf town pass is even worse

Unvote
Vote: tippy

I'm going to get back to this later.

I have gut scum on Wake88, based on his approach into this game, particularly the SK speculation, avoiding meaningful discussion.

And giving them a conf town pass to boot.

So, I skimmed some games with multiple people in this game. 1436 comes to mind. It had you, and a member of the sangres and maracas hydrae. You gave Cabd a conftown read after that gambit thing, didn't you? Now, when someone tried to fuck it up, what did he flip?

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

Agree with most, but not the last line.

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Hanging town is not how town wins at this game. Go back to "Mafia for dummies" or GTFO scum.

VOTE: yessiree

You get a townread. I really liked this post.

Hey kids, I'm here now. When did this whole thing get six pages already???

Hey lurkaholic, any insight?

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

Do you expect her to take that lying down? I think getting mad when people call you a bad player is fairly alignment-neutral.

4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): Nacho is like 13 and ffery is like 12 and they'll both call me Jacob

You mixed up our ages, Jacob.

Hey kids, I'm here now. When did this whole thing get six pages already???

Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:23 pm

Agreed with the first line, laughed at the last 2.

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

See my earlier comment.

And giving them a conf town pass to boot.

I hardly think what he did qualifies as a 'conf town pass' in anyone's mind but his. That's pretty obvious. Why are you trying to misrep it otherwise?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sakura Hana

You can get a townread.

I hardly think what he did qualifies as a 'conf town pass' in anyone's mind but his. That's pretty obvious. Why are you trying to misrep it otherwise?

What makes you think I meant otherwise?

Deflect more, please.

I love how none of my hydra partners posted after my last post.
Catching up.

-L. J.

GO DIE I LIKE TO QUOTEWALL

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Anyways, uh, hang on.

@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

Oooh, oooh, I have a guess as to one of your heads. Hang on.

{Cabd's quotestripe hell}

Are you avoiding me?

You smell funny.

-L. J.

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Hanging town is not how town wins at this game. Go back to "Mafia for dummies" or GTFO scum.

VOTE: yessiree

hmmmm how did I miss this gem back there

presuming that someone(TIP in this case) is town lies within the scum mentality

VOTE: likeabauss

Nice OMGUS

Tim Tebow

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw, regarding no. 2, being inactive in the beginning of the game doesn't really matter now because your inactivity is present progressive tense, not a past tense.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also task meta is too old.
Unless you still post like this as scum:

Subject: Micro 195 - Wacky Bastard Mafia (Game over!)

TIP bby how are you

Lets scumhunt some please

pleasepleaseplease

VOTE: Mastin

For calling us scum and not backing it with a vote, as well as sheeping cirno in an attempt to buddy

y u so scum

TIP y u no rvs

Are you scum in this game

Every other post was DP js

[GuyInFreezer]

Which is still in the novice-scum-era similar to your first scum game.

[GuyInFreezer]

I skipped some pages.
Is there a wagon at L-1 I can hammer to end this day?

Sadly, no.
But Alpa wagon is halfway there.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey AP if you're looking for good compromise lynch:

Spoiler:

Bolded ppl who's willing to lynch Alp besides the one who's not already voting him.

ActionDan - No read

Aegor - Don't mind Alp lynch

AP - have no problem lynching Alp

BB - kinda town

Bulba - scum

dopog - no read
GIF - voting Alp
Majiffy - no read
mastin2 - town
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - voting Alp
pidgey - don't remember
RC - scumread/willing to lynch
Rubicon - no mention at all
sekai - voting Alp

Sven - "not so town"

SC3 - voting Alp
Thor665 - voting Alp
Toogeloo - voting Alp

vezok - maybe scum

Zdenek - lurking scum

[GuyInFreezer]

And here's the thing. Your post on the lat page requires I do something town, rather than have not done something scum, yet a few pages ago, you said I sounded like "oh cool, blah blah blah" which is my scum-attitude.

The fuck's up with that?

I don't see anything wrong with it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Whose reads are those?

Everyone's read on Alp

[GuyInFreezer]

Alp wagon is win-win.

Either he's scum or I can be smug towards gif tomorrow

If he flips town I will stfu tomorrow and act as your doublevote for entire duration of the game.

[GuyInFreezer]

Meh on molla and RC.
RC at first I voted him because I felt Spyparty but his later posts have been ok.
If I submit mastin that's for pure policy.

[GuyInFreezer]

SCB is null to me.
I'm ok with vezok.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually if I read the mechanic correctly all we have to do is consolidate on one name who wants to be dead by hordes.

[GuyInFreezer]

2) You questioned the lack of post quantity. I explained it.

I also said something about quality. Where's the explanation for that?

[GuyInFreezer]

*raises hand*

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually lemme do the same thing I did with the Alp with sekai. brb.

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: PPL's reads on Sekai as of now

ActionDan - No read
Aegor - No read
AP - scum
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - town
Majiffy - leaningscumbutlolVEZOK
mastin2 - scum
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - no read
pidgey - undecided
RC - leaning scum
Rubicon - no read
Sven - town
SC3 - super-town
Thor665 - ehhh
Toogeloo - Town
vezok - no read
Zdenek - "terrible"
[/quote]

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: PPL's reads on Sekai as of now

ActionDan - No read
Aegor - No read
AP - scum
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - town
Majiffy - leaningscumbutlolVEZOK
mastin2 - scum
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - no read
pidgey - undecided
RC - leaning scum
Rubicon - no read
Sven - town
SC3 - super-town
Thor665 - ehhh
Toogeloo - Town
vezok - no read
Zdenek - "terrible"

I can't drop the bad habit of using spoiler tag and quote end tag together

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: V2

ActionDan - No read
Aegor - No read
AP - scum
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - town
Majiffy - leaningscumbutlolVEZOK
mastin2 - scum
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - very town
pidgey - undecided
RC - leaning scum
Rubicon - no read
Sven - town
SC3 - super-town
Thor665 - ehhh
Toogeloo - Town
vezok - no read
Zdenek - "terrible"

[GuyInFreezer]

There you go AP. 6 townreads, 6 scumreads, rest no reads.
Pretty spreaded out general read.

[GuyInFreezer]

still leaning town, for the same reasons as before, that the inactivity, while being lead wagon, points to town not caring rather than scum

[GuyInFreezer]

That's why AP initially thought Sekai lynch could be compromised easily.

[GuyInFreezer]

But when it comes to compromise lynch, it's the votes that counts not voices.

[GuyInFreezer]

If moderate amount of ppl scumreads sekai, I prefer leaving them to the PRs tbh.

[GuyInFreezer]

I have no problem with AD

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: ppl's read on vezok

ActionDan - not a townread
Aegor - scum
AP - somehow town
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - sheeeeeeeeeep scum
Majiffy - SCUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMM
mastin2 - town
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - no read
pidgey - scum
RC - scum
Rubicon - scum
Sven - scum
SC3 - scum
Thor665 - obv NK
Toogeloo - no read
Sekai - scum
Zdenek - scum

(Note to self - dopog so far has no reads on major wagons/focuses)

[GuyInFreezer]

He's too busy tunneling me to give a fuck

This, basically.
He's the only one I'm willing to lynch today despite learning that almost everyone scumreads vezok and the wagon miraculously fell apart.
I'm still gonna see him dead. There is absolutely no chance of moving to vezok eagon and there's only like 144 hours left.
Also just bitching at the wagon without reads/etc is a scumclaim anyway.

[GuyInFreezer]

Fell apart even before this wagon gains traction*

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF you're so full of shit

I really fucking hope you're town so I can link this game every time you claim to be able to read me

And don't give me that 'oh he's not giving reads it's a scumclaim" because you and I both know that everyone would ignore them anyways

Let me wipe that shoddy excuse out of your face.
Here's a deal.
I'm a vig.
You town up and give your solid reads with some good content, and I shoot from one of your scumpool tonight.

[GuyInFreezer]

If you town up, it is still possible to LYNCH vezok btw

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't have definite scumreads anyway. So I'm really open to shoot whoever as long as I'm not townreading them

[GuyInFreezer]

"if"

what the fuck do you call the last 5 pages

If you haven't noticed, there's more people who wants to lynch vezok.
so I'm giving you a chance.
one small spark, and wagon can be turned quite easily.

[GuyInFreezer]

Nonono
you tell me.
I'm not the one being wagoned.

[GuyInFreezer]

fuck I forgot someone hold on

Youre telling me that to the one who led your wagon.
All they have to say is "I agree with gif so there".

Now give me something other than self wagon analysis.

[GuyInFreezer]

But it should be boomer spewing bile though

[GuyInFreezer]

Who cares
it wouldve look more awesome :<

[GuyInFreezer]

So much for motivation.
I'm not actually a vig btw
vig in the setup like this would be op lol

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't lurk that hard
:<

[GuyInFreezer]

How many ppl are on wagon right now
also youre not completely off yet so keep working.

[GuyInFreezer]

Can I have a brief review of why people want to lynch this guy. God forbid I iso him.

I'm just bussing him for town cred .

Silly AP
meta these days awards towncred on scum avoiding an obvscum lynch like hell

[GuyInFreezer]

Alp, gimme a read on vezok

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF is there anyone else we can wagon

Seriously

Vezok
dopog

[GuyInFreezer]

sure

VOTE: PV

[GuyInFreezer]

Why does sheeping require catching up?

[GuyInFreezer]

I think we're just randomly wagoning until the target looks town, and then which we wagon someone else.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dodging prod.
I'll be back tomorrow night. Until then, I'll be busy with the project.

[GuyInFreezer]

Scumclaim, 'cause every town player is a vig.

With this logic, scum is a vig too, since they collaborate on a single name to kill someone.
That must mean I claimed survivor.

[GuyInFreezer]

The fact that GiF sheeps the person he was previously scumreading should itself be a warning sign.

I did promise him sheeping of some sort under certain condition. Do you think you can find it?

[GuyInFreezer]

For the record, I think that the point on GiF is quite strong and there is no way I would ignore it.

Think what you may, but I was keeping my end of the deal.

At this rate we're gonna end up outing all the PRs.

VOTE: RC

[GuyInFreezer]

I was keeping my end of the deal.

but you made that deal with your scum read.

I kinda hinted that my read on them was flipping by giving them a second chance.

[GuyInFreezer]

I was keeping my end of the deal.

but you made that deal with your scum read.

I kinda hinted that my read on them was flipping by giving them a second chance.

What made it flip?

His AtE. If he was scum, he would've gone "oh cool you're just gonna regret it" kinda tone.

[GuyInFreezer]

Pdodge
(Should've done V/LA til tonight)

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: mastin2

[GuyInFreezer]

Hope that trolling was enjoyable because I skipped everything

[GuyInFreezer]

He baited the horde.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Rubicon

@Mod: Limited Access until Sunday

[GuyInFreezer]

Thor665
Aegor
Metal Sonic

Sheeping general opinion
read by end of d1
vig worthy

[GuyInFreezer]

Does this seem like the list a town would submit?

Yes.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: LeMidget