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whats up mofos

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based on the flips i'm guessing we're down to 3 scum (herder/x-shot JK/goon)

did i see that someone has claimed cop? who was this?

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i just sped through from PV claiming the result to now

molla
zdenek
majiffy
pidgey
metal sonic
alpazard

--------------- <--- line of lynchability based on those 20whatever pages

gif
dan
sekai
sven

breaking it into a chunk like that was pretty effective so i'll probably start from p1 either later tonight or tomorrow and see if that changes my impressions of anything. other to-dos: obsess over mastin's 1889 and her massive two day iso in general; read thor/bulb/dgb isos; finish setup spec. the addition of a cop is really throwing off my initial impression of the setup and it might mean there are four scum alive.

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lol

the feeling was mutual. based on what i've read you're more interested in preoccupying yourself with figuring out what scum did last night (or telling others that their interpretation of events is wrong because scum wouldn't do x or y) than finding them today. why?

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ps if you had planned on mislynching this slot either today or tomorrow i have bad news

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if it's not obvious already it will be very soon.

are there any other claims on the board?

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Runners up would be alp and pidgey with gif and ms after that

explanations or links to previous explanations for any of these would be great

I could lynch Desp or Alp AD. Fine with either.

weren't you just clamoring for my replace in to give this game a jolt? why are you fine with lynching me now and why did you choose alp over me?

How are you town reading Majiffy?

his reaction to pv's claim and the ensuing pseudo 1v1 was pretty town. why's he scum?

Desperado, i dont get your list, is the lynchable people the ones on the top or on the bottom?

the people below the line. the list is also in rough order of strength.

what are your reads right now?

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uh

???

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vote: alpazard

- mastin had them as null until they told someone to "bite me" at which time they became full 100% never lynching town. seriously. in his big reads list he made up some boilerplate "they look like they are town figuring the game out, not scum manipulating" BS
- mastin also spent an inordinate amount of time analyzing wagons on Alp and basing his understanding of the gamestate on them. The Mist.
- rubicon and alp avoided each other
- *reasons*

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i'll go first!

vt

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Desp you have a reason for being non existant?

Laziness?

this doesn't strike me as an accusation you can actually support, so i'm not gonna respond to it

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Desp you have a reason for being non existant?

Laziness?

this doesn't strike me as an accusation you can actually support, so i'm not gonna respond to it

Okay, please continue to be useless and I'll be able to support it

and i'll continue to tell you to shove your non-existent accusation up your ass considering i had more of a presence after i replaced in yesterday than you did

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That's where I'm leaning also. Town power added up if everyone is telling the truth is a bit weak no matter what sven is

are you basing this on anything other than your own opinion?

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Oh right, it was influenced by both town and scum.

We don't know what (if anything) scum have in play to affect the horde kill.

yes we do? they have at least a herder and are likely immune in some way to horde kills.

and if i could talk about the reasons ns was likely scum i would

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the only way scum not having immunity would work is if we started 16v6 (which would kind of explain why this day phase is moving so glacially?)

i'm not really sure what you mean by a shiny thing.

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like do you think i'm speculating or something? this game is very clearly based (and balanced around) the previous incarnation. the scum have at least one herder.

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gif why did you kill dopog again?

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Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek, mastin2, GIF, pidgey, Sekai
Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo, Majiffy
The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine

Ok ok fine

Inner Town Circle: AP, Thor, Zdenek, GIF, pidgey, Sekai
Outer Town Circle: BBMolla (↑), Aegor, dopog, RedCoyote, Nero Cain, Toogeloo, Majiffy
The Rest (Including not-so-town and loldidn'treads): Rubicon, Sven?, Vezok?, DGBKid3, ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Peregrine
Town but someone please call the Tank and make him throw the concrete at him or something: mastin2

Better now?

So where exactly did notsci looked town in this game?

In reaction to you. Additionally, posting minorly leans that way.

Vezok who RC, aside from Mastin, argues most strongly against in his posts appears highest in list before we get to the lurkers. The only particular thing he had a problem with regarding Sven seems to be that Sven gave him a town lean in one post and then said that no one should be giving those a players a town lean. Well okay, it's not a lie, but its pretty clear that Sven just went to Activity Overview and made a list of low posters - it's thoughtless, but I don't see enough scum intent there to justify RC's stance. As far as I can tell his desire to lynch me is an attempt to buddy with Toogeloo, but I'm biased. He doesn't give any reason to read dopog as scum, so I assume that has to do with lolzy connections with Mastin. As far as his read on Mastin goes, the fact that it lacks any subtlety probably means that it's bs.

Indeed. If anyone actually bought the BS in his post, I'll bother addressing it. But I just went through this BS with sekai. I'm not going to go through it again with RC.

What does bs stands for?

^that's all three times dopog appears in your iso. why did you think he was scum?

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not sure what happened, i ctrl+f'd and only got 3 results. must have been loading still.

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one of the claimed prs is scum. probably sven.

vote: pidgey

he told someone to read his iso so i did. it didn't have the intended effect.

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one of the claimed prs is scum. probably sven.

vote: pidgey

he told someone to read his iso so i did. it didn't have the intended effect.

X is probably scum, so i am voting z

what?

do you really think voting you would be productive right now?

@ pidgey: /dealwithit

@ ffery: i'm not sure, #1, and i don't really remember. i'd have to read it again. you think he's town?

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i'm going to go see captain america and i work at six; i might do that at some point in between.

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@ ffery: i quoted a bunch of posts and planned commenting on each one, but it just felt like a bunch of iioa so i'll suffice it to say that pidgey's d1 respective treatment of mastin and rubicon were scummy and i found the abrupt behavioral change after majiffy initiated his push alignment indicative. as the game has progressed his approach has deteriorated and the town facade from d1 becomes clear.

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no, i said that his interactions with flipped scum d1 (when they were still alive) are retroactively scummy.

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his demeanor has changed noticeably as the game progressed. it's pretty obvious in his posts?

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I mean the reason I haven't voted is because I'm waiting for you to do the shit you promised days ago. And I don't really know which of you I'd rather vote at this point anyway. Desp's ISO analysis of you was pretty crappy, but replacing in and getting run up right after isn't exactly motivating in a game this large.

the iso analysis that...doesn't even exist because i deemed it crappy before i finished it?

i did give some thoughts on what pidgey's done so far though. you wanna talk about those?

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In post 3359, sekai no ki wrote:
Pidgey

215 - defends both mastin and rubicon in this post. I'm projecting a little, but this is something I'd be really unlikely to do as scum (discuss two teammates in the same post, unless it's a comprehensive post)

377 - reads list. has both mastin and rubicon as scum, voting vezok. On the one hand, the ol' fos a buddy vote town thing is a thing, but once again, calling two teammates scum here would be a little ott?

1264 - another reads list. 10 scum. mastin's moved from slightly scum to town.

1852, 1859 - mastin read changed to scum, but no indication why in the iso. something later about sheeping AP. but he doesn't actually vote mastin?

1884 - "I'd move to mastin, but there are better options"?

1985 - interaction with Thor about horde-kill. suggests taking off rubicon for mastin or svenskt. save the rolecop in favor of goon? I dunno.

from there day 1 is just chaotic. He doesn't seem to have any real conviction that mastin is scum but keeps him in the lynch horde-pile. And is townreading rubicon pretty hard.

Though iirc rubicon did a decent job of rehabilitating himself as day 1 went on.

nothing here suggests you disagree with my assessment? you just wouldn't talk about/scum read multiple teammates and admit that you're projecting it on to him.

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and what of the behavioral change i noted?

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i think it's three left. there's definitely a herder, molla is getting roleblocked, and the last game was 4 scum + traitor. with the additional town power i think he just upgraded the traitor to a goon.

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sven and ???

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nothing? you could be the ???

sven was the scummiest from the pv/molla thing to when i replaced in.

pedit: jiffy was a strong pr in two of those and in a hydra with mollie in the other one.

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might have something to do with me not naming you as the 3rd scum for sure?

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might have something to do with me not naming you as the 3rd scum for sure?

your original reads list had me as 2nd most scummy iirc.

Even if we were scum together I'd probably hammer you rather than engage you. If you're town, then scum-me likely would have hammered by now, or would have been on your wagon already.

It's all idle crap though. And how anyone who has played much with me could see my interactions with mastin on day 1 as scum v scum boggles my mind.

i said from the jump that those reads were based solely on the 20 pages between pv v molla and me replacing in.

in fact i just repeated it

i agree that if you were scum i would probably be dead by now. but i've also seen scum slow roll in lylo so, yeah.

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Except the pidgey read.

yes, except the pidgey read. because we were specifically talking about my scumreads on you and sven.

4 scum left would be outrageous so no, it isn't lylo.

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you said you're town because you haven't hammered me yet. if scum can benefit from slow-rolling a guaranteed win, they can surely benefit from slow rolling a hammer on a mislynch midway through the game.

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you might as well hammer me though because i'm sure pidgey isn't going to self-hammer

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pidgey, sven, {molla, ad}

I dont trust any of the claimed prs. Good luck.