Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Aegor]

VOTE: dopog

I am scum and trying to push a mislynch.

[Aegor]

Well, you just made bluff go boom. I am actually town, fo' realz.

[Aegor]

[Aegor]

VOTE: Aegor

[Aegor]

VOTE: Rubicon

This is a legitimate scumclaim, rather than Aegor's faked scumclaim, because it's taking the fun but instead of running with it (voting Aegor), he takes this approach, to avoid drawing attention to himself. Especially since Aegor (having self-voted first) would take the brunt of the blow. It's scum trying to blend in during the RVS, while also trying to avoid becoming part of something they'd rather avoid. (For instance, if Aegor got wagoned to, say, L-1, it'd be something a scum-Rubicon would want to be off of like the plague.)[/quote]

OMG. You actually employed reasoning to generate a read. I want to reinforce good behavior.

VOTE: Rubicon

[Aegor]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...my poor tags...

[Aegor]

Also, how do we want to approach this mechanic? I would think that we should have informal votes (perhaps closer to the end of the day) to designate horde victim pools.

[Aegor]

All of the following posts are sketch and trying too hard:

Spoiler:

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

Not you, I just can't lynch all these people claiming scum and there is actually town amongst them and that is really depressing

Just for BB's sake, I'll point out he said something I agree with

(BTW, I think mastin is town now)

I agree.

Mastin, you're just going to have to deal with it.

Mastin is being anything but town. Frankly, even the callback of trying to act weird to get reactions remains not town.

That said, I have enough respect for him to provide a chance for future gains, as I feel respectfully confident in my ability to read him correctly. Can't read DGB though, and though AP is here there's also Chess to compete for loud spam that bugs me.

Vote: Dripping Chesskid

Let's do a random day 1 pressure wagon on someone who isn't a lurky derpsack player, just to keep life interesting.

Oh, and for the people I haven't played with before.
I'm Thor, and I am either charmingly sarcastic and witty...or a sociopath.
Opinions vary.

Also, everyone who claimed scum already is a bad player.
Just saying.
Work on that.

VOTE: Vezok
Would also lynch Thor or Rubicon.


Can we end this day please?

[Aegor]

What are people thinking of Bulba so far?

Pretty sure he is town unless his claim was fake.

[Aegor]

OoooOOOoooOOoh. This just got exciting.

[Aegor]

Bulba knows what's up.

[Aegor]

Aegor playing with you again is going to give me a headache isn't it.

That depends on whether we will let lurkers overstay their welcome.

[Aegor]

There is no way I am going to answer that question.

[Aegor]

The same reason I do anything: information.


Also, I want us to decide on an approach to the zombie kills ASAP. I am thinking that maybe around five days until deadline (unless a wagon really gains speed before then) we start posting our top three suspects and work toward a list that every town person is willing to submit. I really like the idea of using them as policy lynches and lurk lynches in order to retain info from the day lynch; that is the obvious play.

[Aegor]

Yeah boy

[Aegor]

As for the mechanic, it's my opinion that if you are a VT, just submit your own choices and screw what everyone else thinks. Only town has control of the mechanic, so to try and take control of it from those people means you don't trust them and are willing to allow scum to influence their choices.

That makes no sense. While the mechanic is not deterministic, it still functions like a second chance for a lynch. It is to the town's benefit to take advantage of this. There are 22 players, so the decisions will be made largely by town anyway.

[Aegor]

I disagree with toog but am not getting the scummy vibes. Nero's case on bulb is a huge stretch.

[Aegor]

*dopog's case.

[Aegor]

My bad.

[Aegor]

This guy is town.

Reeeeaaaaaalllllly want an explanation of that.

All of the following posts are sketch and trying too hard:

Why are mine not among them? I was being sketch and trying too hard more than any other player. Heck, I still am.[/quote]
It did not seem that way to me. Except your postings on the last page.

[Aegor]

That is a restatement, not an explanation.

[Aegor]

k. Mastin should change approaches to posting completely or die/be killed because I do not like scaling walls of inane meta/WIFOM that are distractions from productive discussions.

Not getting why people are not voting Majiffy. I mean, the ISO is truly awful. Sven is a meh-wagon; his case against vezok is not great but is not scummy (honestly, forgetting a vote/reason for a vote would seem to me to come more often from simply not having a strong conviction in the first place, which tends to be scummy in itself). I would be fine lynching vezok. If Mastin's posts continue to be bad, I am fine with that lynch as well. BBMolla is also someone from whom I expect much more than is being provided, and his posts thus far have been flaccid.

We really should start lining people off for policy kills or whatever at night.

[Aegor]

VOTE: mastin.

Read the last ten pages. Was bored.

[Aegor]

I like Sven's posts more than mastin's, for the record.

Conveniently enough, being bored is one of the motivating factors of me progressively reverting back into my normal self. The post where I explained it fully is currently lost, but basically: while I'm enjoying a LOT of the new stuff, and like the feeling it's given (people are actually treating me like a normal player, rather than some higher-tier master), it's becoming a bit boring to do, and I'm considering adding life to my game.

In particular, there's one thing I could do to instantly become obvtown, and I've been holding back from having done so.

I

really

want you to die.


VOTE: Majiffy

This 30-page meta discussion is both incredibly boring and totally opaque to me, so I probably will never re-read it.

[Aegor]

Then why did you not join his wagon earlier and why are you not joining it now?

[Aegor]

Soooooooo many people I want dead today. I guess I may just have to NK them.

AP is guaranteed scum in the bag.

I've only just looked at Majiffy now.

And yet, you are still not voting Majiffy? Even though there is close to 0% chance that AP is getting lynched today, not least of all because you have not actually presented any compelling reason that he is scum?

[Aegor]

Yo

[Aegor]

Your scumhunting attempts are nonexistent and your posts contain verbal abuse. That is more than enough for me at this time.

[Aegor]

And underscoring both of those is my impression that your posting is not from a town motivation at all.

[Aegor]

You? Making that request? Not going to happen. Probably ever. Definitely not now.

[Aegor]

]You won't offer any examples of my "nonexistent" scumhunting attempts.

Do you realize what you are asking? How I can point out examples of something that does not exist? Anyone looking at your ISO will come to the same conclusion I did.

You won't explain why abusive behavior is alignment-telling.

I never said it was.

And you have 'undertones' (I prefer 'feels') that I'm not town.

Correct.

Compelling. Very compelling.

Increasingly so.

[Aegor]

Then feel free to show all of my posts and explain why there's no attempt to scumhunt.

LOL

You certainly listed it under "reasons Majiffy is scum".
Do you disagree with this?

I would interpret that posts as reasons why I want you dead.

And I'm getting undertones that you're bad at this game.

It took you that long to notice?

Are you saying AP is your buddy, and Majiffy is town?

VOTE: SweatingChessball3

[Aegor]

Alpazard's ISO gives me nothing, so I'm totally down with lynching them.

Vezok's ISO and specifically his take on DGB drives me crazy and I'm also not that sure I believe what he is saying. Unfortunately, I don't know him well enough to tell if he believes some of the things he is saying, but my gut on that says no.

Surely that reasoning applies to other players as well. Which others have ISOs that give you nothing?

[Aegor]

What exactly is your point to this line of questioning, Aegor? I don't see how this helps you discern his alignment or anyone else's.

Would you mind posting a list of Majiffy-approved questions, so that we can all make sure we are acquiring information that you find productive in a way that you find productive?

[Aegor]

What exactly is your point to this line of questioning, Aegor? I don't see how this helps you discern his alignment or anyone else's.

Would you mind posting a list of Majiffy-approved questions, so that we can all make sure we are acquiring information that you find productive in a way that you find productive?

Dodging the question.

How does your asking him what other ISOs are devoid of anything going to help you figure out his alignment?

Everything anyone posts has the potential to help me figure out alignment. I cannot predict the future, so I cannot tell you exactly how or even whether it will be useful. But it certainly has the potential to be.

[Aegor]

To acquire information. Your line of questioning is terminated on my end.

[Aegor]

k

[Aegor]

I would be pushing the everliving hell out of you if I didn't think it'd dismantle the Vezok wagon, just so you're aware of your standing with me.

I guessed. You are more than welcome to make me your NK. Alternatively, feel free to push for my mislynch in the future.

Alpazard's ISO gives me nothing, so I'm totally down with lynching them.

Vezok's ISO and specifically his take on DGB drives me crazy and I'm also not that sure I believe what he is saying. Unfortunately, I don't know him well enough to tell if he believes some of the things he is saying, but my gut on that says no.

Surely that reasoning applies to other players as well. Which others have ISOs that give you nothing?

It's true that I only checked Alp because he was a topic of conversation, but I don't think anyone is as bad as him.
Who do you have in mind?

No one. That was the point. Who do you feel has made no contribution to this game and you would be fine having lynched on that basis?

[Aegor]

I am not defending Alpa. In fact, I would not mind his lynch at all.

[Aegor]

I don't trust people to lynch DGB without me howling for it.

I am voting SCB. Why are you not?

[Aegor]

To the contrary, I think its time to start consolidating. Ideally, we should be lynching someone in the next couple Days to give us breathing room. Ive had too many games where people derp around until the last minute and keep spamming walls.

This is an awesome post.

Catching up on this game because I don't want to get prodded. I haven't had a chance to read all the posts you guys have made, but based on the ones I've looked at, I have this crazy feeling in my gut that most of you are town, and only a few of you are scum. Assuming that's correct, I also have the distinct impression that those of you who are town (I'm thinking a majority?) don't know who each other are, but the scum do know each other, and might have some form of private communication. I think this might even things out because if the scum players weren't more informed than the town, it would be hard for them to work together, and the town players would have trouble telling the difference.

Let me know if I'm missing anything.

Every single word of this post is

terrible

.

[Aegor]

If you are can be blunt I can be blunt too
I dont see sekai scum everything they posted is very town
half of you guys are terrible

Can you elaborate on what is so town about sekai's posting? Behavior conforms with meta? Content is pro-town? Why exactly?

Can we just flashwagon sekai now? Its like half the thread has realized shes scum but would feel bad about actually lynching her because shes ffery.

Why do you keep pushing for wagons without voting the targets?

BBMolla is scum, but he has enough towncred ATM that we can't lynch him until D3 at the earliest.

Given that you would probably claim that you do not know BB's alignment 100% for sure, how can you maintain that his posting has led you to believe he is scum but also has given him towncred? And why would he not be able to be lynched today?

[Aegor]

Can you elaborate on what is so town about sekai's posting? Behavior conforms with meta? Content is pro-town? Why exactly?

You can ignore the drunkpost

It's in last page.

No, it is not.

Why do you keep pushing for wagons without voting the targets?

To the contrary,

I think its time to start consolidating.

Ideally, we should be lynching someone in the next couple Days to give us breathing room. Ive had too many games where people derp around until the last minute and keep spamming walls.

This is an awesome post.

That just raises the question of how on earth you consider flashwagons that you incite but do not catalyze consolidation.

[Aegor]

Given that you would probably claim that you do not know BB's alignment 100% for sure, how can you maintain that his posting has led you to believe he is scum but also has given him towncred? And why would he not be able to be lynched today?

Because nobody really thinks hes scum and lots of people think Sven/alpazard/vezok/majiffy are scum? It takes about 2 brain cells to determine that he isn't up for lynch today, Aegor.

P-edit: that is a very good question.

We have almost a week. You were calling for a flashwagon on sekai, who has zero votes at the moment. And you have not actually seriously pushed for BB. So forgive me for not believing that there is no way BB is up for a lynch today. And I think there is a great chance that none of the four you mentioned will be lynched at the end of the day.

I detected that a lot of people think sekai is scum. I lofted the idea of a compromise wagon on her.

Nobody seemed interested. The end.

Why does me not moving my vote make one iota of difference to the situation?

Wagons require votes. If you are not willing to initiate the compromise that you apparently want, why would you expect others to?

[Aegor]

Because asking if other people are interested before deciding if I want to go down that path is not a valid play?
You can't be serious right now. Call me cummy for testing the waters I guess, but I really don't see how you can argue that I'm half-assing this ffery push or whatever.

I am not calling you scummy (only you can say whether you are cummy, however). And yes, asking other people in a totally non-committal way is very questionable play, regardless of alignment.

[Aegor]

Except I wasn't even remotely non-committal unless you count not-voting her as non-committal

It is non-committal.

and I think you will admit that my vote doesn't need to be on them to ask if people are interested in wagoning them.

You hardly asked:

Can we just flashwagon sekai now? Its like half the thread has realized shes scum but would feel bad about actually lynching her because shes ffery.

It was not some exploratory question. And you pulled something similar with SCB earlier.

Which of the four candidates for lynch you mentioned would you be happiest lynching? Least happy?

[Aegor]

VOTE: Alp

People I want dead:

mastin
BBMolla
SCB
vezok
RC

Can we start consolidating our NK list?

[Aegor]

Spoiler: PPL's reads on Sekai as of now

ActionDan - No read
Aegor - No read
AP - scum
BB - kinda town
Bulba - scum
dopog - no read
GIF - town
Majiffy - leaningscumbutlolVEZOK
mastin2 - scum
Nero Cain - gone for a while
PV - no read
pidgey - undecided
RC - leaning scum
Rubicon - no read
Sven - town
SC3 - super-town
Thor665 - ehhh
Toogeloo - Town
vezok - no read
Zdenek - "terrible"

I can't drop the bad habit of using spoiler tag and quote end tag together

Mine is scummish. I actually would have no problem eating that hydra or whatever it is we do at night.

[Aegor]

Yay! This game finally got interesting.

Still feeling good about the Alpa lynch. AP is correct in stating that

Alpa, you should really claim

. Deadline lynches are the absolute worst, especially if they are a counterwagon after a recent claim.

On the other hand, I dispute this:

This reads as so anti-town as to cross over into scummy because I honestly do not believe you're emotionally bought into the game enough to want to spite people over it.

This.

I honestly think a townie would be more concerned with taking responsibility for their (lack of) play which most definitely explains the majority of the wagon on them.

As town (or scum, for that matter), I hate being wagoned for no real reason, or for bad reasons. I would gladly just shut down or self-hammer in that scenario. Alpa's recent reaction is not so great to me, but it is not out of the question as town.

Would still rather lynch any of the people I listed before. Also Majiffy, for being useless.

[Aegor]

GIF tell me why the 4 people who voted me after you are voting me please

LOLOLOLOLOL

Compromise lynch. I thought that was established.

[Aegor]

Tu m'as oublié!

[Aegor]

Vote: DrppingSweatBall

Let's give the man time to post coherently.

Where was that enthusiasm when I was voting SCB?

VOTE: PV

[Aegor]

Vote: DrppingSweatBall

Let's give the man time to post coherently.

Where was that enthusiasm when I was voting SCB?

VOTE: PV

How are these things related?

PV is useless, so I am fine lynching him. And there was a wagon on him. And he could have voted SCB when others were voting SCB instead of placing a completely useless vote.

Don't worry about Aegor, hes the scum that will sneak by to D3 or so before people realize hes just hovering around the thread w/o actually doing anything.

Quoted for posterity.

[Aegor]

And he could have voted SCB when others were voting SCB instead of placing a completely useless vote.

Which vote?

His vote on SCB. Which came after AP and I, who had both expressed desire for more SCB votes, moved onto the Alpa and then PV wagons.

[Aegor]

His vote on SCB. Which came after AP and I, who had both expressed desire for more SCB votes, moved onto the Alpa and then PV wagons.

That isn't bad/scummy though. You are forcing a point against PV over nothing.

My vote was pretty much a wagon vote. My comment was not actually the reasoning behind my vote. Although it did bother me.

So you approve of the vote, but not the timing of it, and

you think that he's scum for not leaving his vote on Alpa

?

Because that's what I'm getting from your comment.

No to the bolded part. Yes to the rest.

[Aegor]

My vote was pretty much a wagon vote. My comment was not actually the reasoning behind my vote. Although it did bother me.

Or not. You really should not infer anything from my posts. I will make explicit everything that is relevant. Inferring that my vote on PV followed from my previous statement is already too much inference. But I doubt this will convince you anyway.

[Aegor]

I never said I cared why you are voting Pv. I said your point against him is bad. And you then proceeded to distance from your point against him by saying it had nothing to do with your vote instead of actually defending your point.

I already explained my point. You said it was neither bad nor scummy. I cannot defend it further against such vague counterpoints, and your expectation that I will is misguided. And you are completely wrong when you claim I am distancing. It did have nothing to do with my vote, which would have come regardless of whether PV voted SCB.

[Aegor]

Typically one would explain exactly why it was scummy of PV to do that instead of throwing in the towel about a point you thought relevant enough to bring up and asserting that your vote had nothing to do with it.

Because there was no explanation for a vote moved to someone with zero votes, and there was no trajectory either.

And did it not occur to you that DGB did something RECENT that made Pv want to vote her?

Given that I am reading the thread, no. You are more than welcome to go back to your vote on SCB and start reading from there. The answer should pop right out at you.

@ActionDan: can't you see that AngryPidgeon is scum?
@Sven: you're voting a townie, stahp.
@NeroCain & RedCoyote: you're voting a townie, stahp.

The two largest wagons are on townies, ie Sven & vezok.

Alpazard wagon looks clean.

PeregrineV is scum

. Two scums are presently voting for Sven, who is obvtown: PereV & Alpazard.

Ok caught up.

You tell me what "recent" thing SCB could have done. PV had plenty of time to change his vote while we were still voting and did not. He changed it only after the Alp wagon formed, and SCB had not posted anything since then anyway. Nice try, though.

[Aegor]

Can we lynch PV? My nomnom choices:

SCB
Vezok/PV
BBMolla
(Majiffy)
(mastin)
(sekai)

[Aegor]

VOTE: bulba

Bad vote

[Aegor]

I will be submitting SBC for sure tonight.

[Aegor]

You're not a special snowflake, stick to the plan, that's the point of the plan.

I never agreed to the plan, and the plan was never really discussed. I love plans. I am happy to follow a plan. But I will not just do what you want for no reason, which is what you are asking.

[Aegor]

Vezok should answer the questions Bulba asked. Buying his claim for now.

I mean, the three names on there, are you really town reading one of them so strongly that you don't think they should be there?
I'd be fascinated to hear about that, as I don't think any of the names have come close to town telling.
Heck, some of them have barely managed to prove they're playing the game.

And that does not characterize SCB's play because....?


I want SCB dead more than all of those. In fact, I said that slot was my top nom in 1604, which was earlier than your post with your noms. So I am going to go ahead and follow the plan I laid out.

[Aegor]

I want SCB dead more than all of those. In fact, I said that slot was my top nom in 1604, which was earlier than your post with your noms. So I am going to go ahead and follow the plan I laid out.

If Pere flips scum she is a provably bad choice.
If you wanted your plan to be followed you should have advocated your plan.
Stick to the plan, that's the point of the plan.

Because it's been a while since I have. Annoyed but not really upset, since it's just a game. And the lack of actual playing annoys me.

VOTE: Dan

If you wanted your plan to be followed you should have advocated your plan.

If you wanted your plan to be followed you should have advocated your plan better.

Stick to the plan, that's the point of the plan.

I will absolutely stick the plan. My plan. The one where I submit SCB i.a. for nomnom tonight. Because that slot needs to go.

I am voting Dan, Thor, so you should be happy. I get to submit my suspects and you get your Dan lynch. We both win.

[Aegor]

Screw this.

VOTE: SCB

[Aegor]

Urgh, mastin what do you think of this post?

Well, vezok explicitly said that multiples of his role could exist, and I buy that. I also think that Dan could have a scum equivalent power, and that special infected is his fakeclaim, thus, he can post something like this. Bluntly, I see it as nullscum. It can come from town, but also easily scum, and in fact I think it is more likely to come from scum.[/quote]
Given that there could be an equivalent fakeclaim, why would vezok's claim be accepted while Dan's is not?


Vezok, please provide more details about your role please and thank you.

[Aegor]

AP, help my SCB wagon please.

Because Vezok's a townread and Dan's a scumread?

(Also, Vezok claimed first.)

Four people have crumbed/claimed that role. Precedence is hardly a differentiator.

[Aegor]

Even if they are scum, AP, a wagon isn't happening. They're not a scumread of mine, either. They haven't done much to keep a townread, either, but they're still a decent townread overall of mine, sooooooooo, talk to me on D2 about it.

How does that make any sense? What have SCB done to keep a townread at all?

Four people have crumbed/claimed that role. Precedence is hardly a differentiator.

What?

What was confusing?

[Aegor]

Who else claimed Boomer other than Vezok?

How on earth is it beneficial to town for me to answer that question? Suffice to say that I have actually been reading the thread closely enough to kno' fo' sho'.

[Aegor]

Because flavor is being used as a reason to clear people (by me, largely) and looking at claims and when they happened could influence my opinion ion the setup and validity of claims.

Then maybe we should not be looking at claims. I would recommend that the following be kept in mind (nothing earth-shattering):
1) At this point, I find it possible that scum have been provided fakeclaims that are absolutely identical to town non-VT roles
2) Duplicates of certain roles seem very likely, but exact duplicates of the flavor roles seem less likely, which means I am uncertain about the number of claims we have because they are all the same claim and it seems like we would have unlikely duplicates

So I would not let the claims influence reads either way, given that the size of the game prohibits confirmation of the role anyway.

[Aegor]

Also,

Vote SCB, people

[Aegor]

ActionDan claimed Hunter for all those not paying attention.

Talk to me more about this. How did AD claim Hunter, and where did you come up with Hunter?

[Aegor]

I would be fine lynching mastin as well.

[Aegor]

Talk to me more about this. How did AD claim Hunter, and where did you come up with Hunter?

the answer is basically yes I did.

I need to hear from Vezok where he came up with Hunter.

[Aegor]

VOTE: mastin

[Aegor]

SCB

[Aegor]

VOTE: Sekai

1. Nah, he's a softclaimed PR, so who cares?

He is a claimed PR, silly.

Nom-nom list

1. Action Dan *or* Sekai
2. Rubicon
3. Chessball

BBMolla is in possible contention for that 3rd spot, so probably people should weigh in on their BBMolla/Chessball reads.

My list:

SCB
Mastin
Sekai
RC
Vezok
BBMolla
PV

SCB is def going in the list; all others are negotiable.

[Aegor]

Can we please end this day already?

[Aegor]

@AP:

VOTE: RC

[Aegor]

So yes, we can.

[Aegor]

VOTE: SCB

[Aegor]

OMG. Could this be it? Are you really getting this close to a lynch?

VOTE: RC

[Aegor]

Expect a town flip while voting him then, at least for the moment.

[Aegor]

Actually lynching someone should be an intuitively beneficial goal. So vote RC or make a kickass case on someone else or attempt to start another wagon. Please do not do the last one, though.

[Aegor]

This will probably be my last post before deadline unless a new, interesting wagon forsm. Wagons I want more than the RC wagon:

SCB
Vezok
mastin
Majiffy
probs Rubicon

[Aegor]

VOTE: mastin

[Aegor]

Aegor get back on RC.

Zdenek, I really don't see what you are on about re Thor not putting RC on his vig list. The list has changed pretty dramatically as claims spring up and wagons change. I don't see the exclusion as likely scum motivated even if thor IS scum.

VOTE: RC

[Aegor]

Could someone briefly summarize the dopog=scum case? His posts seem reasoned and fine to me.

[Aegor]

Kill list tonight:

SCB
Majiffy
Mastin

probs. We can lynch vezok tomorrow or w/e.

Even if you have a strong townread on RC, please just lynch him. For information or something.

[Aegor]

I am a claimed PR. I have no problem getting lynch in this game, but it probably should not be anytime soon.

[Aegor]

ITT dopog lists Nero Cain in his "strong town" tier and people wonder why I've been calling this guy scum for the last 20 pages.

You are correct. Dopog and mastin need to die. Via lynch, not zombie.

[Aegor]

VOTE: SCB

No reason for SCB to stay alive. Also fine with a mastin lynch, i.a.

[Aegor]

VOTE: mastin

Forgot, would also be willing to lynch BBMolla.

[Aegor]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Scumslip is an understatement.

[Aegor]

Can we end this day already, please?

We can hordekill ADan or someone.

[Aegor]

Preferably SCB though.

[Aegor]

Aegor next please.

Seriously?

[Aegor]

Searched "mastin" in the thread. Compiling questionable posts now.

[Aegor]

Aegor's list of pulled posts from players defending Mastin

Not necessarily all scummy, but for posterity:

Spoiler: mastin connections

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

vote rubicon

He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

While simultaneously praising a Mastin post.

Vote: Rubicon

PITOLI WHY ARE WE VOTING SVEN

I'm seriously townreading mastin GIF and Thor, leaning town on Nero Aegor and the Valentyndra

GIF is town
I'll go BBmolla town, mastin town

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He OMGUSed mastin with only 3 voets on him and still in RVS. That seems like scum over-reacting.

this feels like flow-going. anything else you have to say?

and if you could sum up your scum read on majiffy that would be dandy

When the posts come back I will try to do this.
Strong town reads: mastin and dopog.
Townish : Toog.

As for everybody else I haven't made an opinion just yet.

Molla, read on mastin?

I think she's town?

LOL to the above quote.

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Mastin=scum?

Maybe, maybe not. He gets much easier to read as the game progresses, not a good day1 lynch.

I read ONE mastin post and she's town. Like, totes town. I know it's just one post but it's a mastin post. It's like I burned through the old testament in 5 minutes.

AngryPidgeon is the standout scumbag on the player list. He's "reading" super-townie sekai as scum, vezok as low-hanging fruit fake scum read, and us as OMGUS fake scumread. I guess he's decided to shoot for the low-hanging fruit and NK us.

Hi! Sorry to see you are still stuck in the freezer, but can you quickly give your top 3 scum and top3 (not-you) town?

As town goes, Sekai/AP/Mastin.
As scum goes, I have one scumread on my own (Alpa) and currently secretly sheeping the majority shamelessly on (vezok). Rest of the ppl are either lean town or unsorted.[/quote]

mastin is totally town. Count me out.

This is a scum-driven wagon if I've ever seen one. I am ashamed of any townies riding it.

Anyway, I'm pretty far from sold on a mastin lynch. There are a couple of points in her ISO that need clarification, but generally she seems legit.

explain to me how its benefitial to lynch mastin day 1, like must consider yourself able to read him

tl;dr

: SCB, Vezok, and PereV should all be killed with the blazing fury of a thousand burning suns.

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why are you ruleing out the possibility of mastin trolling as town?

Mastin should die ASAP anyway. Obviously my list presupposes a scumflip from mastin, but I would kill all of those people regardless. Vezok is hella scummy, and SCB is terribad too.

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Post more, mastin. Then this game can make the records page for longest eva.

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Please do. We are almost a third of the way there. And it is only Day 2.

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kk

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(Still wanna get that impossible badge some day.)

Going to bed, but do not even get me started on that infernal badge.

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Yay! My SCB deathwish came true!

VOTE: vezok, for the moment. Probably will change.

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Oh, yeah, I totally forgot about that. LOL

Context is that Vezok claimed Female Boomer in Post 1602. Flavor-wise, Boomers come in both sexes, while the Clown (as far as my research has shown) does not. I doubt that there is more than one Female Boomer, so any other Female Boomer should CC now. It is not as if the PR is actually that helpful, so I do not think CCing would be a problem.

In direct response to your question, I actually asked it to everyone earlier (end of Day 1), and surprise, no one answered. Vezok himself said that AD's claim of Hunter should not be exempt from scrutiny, especially (my own thinking here) since the Hunter seems to have a different role than the Clown/Boomer ("Herder"). I have not played a Venmar-modded game before, so I do not know how the fakeclaims could work. Perhaps scum is provided with a fakeclaim that is unverifiable due to the random nature of the horde. I am also not yet dismissing the possibility that scum have some control over the mechanic with abilities that coincide exactly with those of the Special Infected, e.g. Clown. I am loathe to engage in setup spec, but I think we should decide how we should treat claims before proceeding here.

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VOTE: Rubicon

LOL

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Also I suggest cop targets someone useful as town like Thor or SCB, if Rubicon had been town that'd have been such a waste of a report.

SCB is dead, bro.

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Hmmm...Rubicon's question to me yesterday makes me like vezok a bit more.

VOTE: PeregrineV

@Mod: Does the Zombie mechanic always produce one unique target, regardless of whether that person dies or not?

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@Mod: Does the Zombie mechanic always produce one unique target, regardless of whether that person dies or not?

Yes, unless there isn't a majority.

@Mod: So, in the case of the random algorithm producing an equal number of votes for two players, no zombie kill would occur?

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PV was my target.

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Guys, Thor could theoretically redirected BBMolla onto himself. I am not sure why he would not pick a different random player, but it is possible. Also possible are a doc protect and a BP. If the consensus target was hella scummy, we should just lynch that person today. If someone could keep a tally of the claims, that would be great.

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Why would redirecting me onto myself do anything

"Himself" referred reflexively back to Thor. Maf did not target you unless Thor redirected you onto Thor (or some such).

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Still waiting for a cop result. If no one steps forward, I find it likely that results were sent to scum.

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I do not see how Sven's D1 attitudes toward mastin make much sense if they are buddies.

PV could very well be scum and should be lynched posthaste.

And CLAIM THE COP RESULT, WHOEVER YOU ARE.

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[quote="In post 2511, Alpazard"][/quote]
I agree.

Holding off is fine, but if no one claims cop results, I would recommend that the cop pick a different results target but the same investigation target.

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Read my ISO. General dislike for your posts.

Would also be down with a sekai lynch.

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I have a theory that scum got the results on another scum and now don't want to reveal it and lose another buddy

wtf are talking about

It seems extremely plausible. Amnesiac cop investigated a scum and sent it to the scum buddy. He did not target Molla again because of the risk that Molla would be dead. Now scum buddy does not want to release result.

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@PV:

Why would he make my lists? That one post was merely a ping on my radar. If anything, I appreciate your digging it out because I hard forgotten about it and am now happier with myself for noticing an awful post that others said was NBD.

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Have a read? No; he was barely on my radar all game.

Mod: I am voting PV

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I have a theory that scum got the results on another scum and now don't want to reveal it and lose another buddy

Theory doesn't hold water. Not claiming the result would mean the amnesiac cop assumes both are scum.

It does no such thing.

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@PV: If you think my votes mean anything that early in the game, you are mistaken.

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Fery can take care of herself.
Also I believe someone said mastin scumflip basically clears sekai.

Someone may have said that, but it is absurd.

Can we lynch/vig Toog slot please

Why?

Why are we assuming that amnesiac cop has no x-shot modifier?

It is possible. But the Cop could then just clear himself by claiming.

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But we have claimed herder that's not toog?

We have two claimed Herders.

Do you really want that cop dead?

No; obviously not, unless it is a 1-1 for scum. I would be fine with losing a cop if it means nailing another scum. I cannot imagine there are more than two left. Also, that is a total misrep.

VOTE: GiF

Lynch pool: {GiF, vezok, PV}. May increase; very ambivalent about LeMidget and MS.


Also, vezok is probably scum if we think there is a scum Herder.

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I would be fine with annihilating Alp as well. Consider him added to the lynch pool.

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Fear that he would be NKed?

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VOTE: Metal Sonic

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I kind of want to lynch vezok.

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VOTE: Vezok

The correct answer was, "Flavor dictates there are only male Hunters."

I think there is one of each role. Which is why vezok is specified as the "Female Boomer." And why I think Bulba was the only clown.

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V/LA until the end of the weekend

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Metal Sonic,

Could you please be productive? Thanks.

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VOTE: BBMolla

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Indeed

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This should be interesting. I still want vezok dead if one of BBMolla/PV is not lynched.

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VOTE: PV

I want to hear what PV has to say. Then we could decide. Not liking vezok's 2777.

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Why is PV suddenly missing?

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you were pretty quick to vote bbmolla after PV's post.

Feel free to lynch me if the PV v. BBMolla ends disastrously.

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PV,

Why do your latest two posts have nothing that was requested? What is your claim? Explain the guilty result on BBMolla. Explain WTF you are doing.

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Well, this is easy.

1) One of PV and BBMolla must be scum at this point.
2) BBMolla is not a Miller.
3) PV is not reaction-testing.

Thus we lynch one of {BB, PV}. If he flips town, we horde-kill the other. If he flips scum, we horde-kill vezok or some such.

Objections?

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PV,

Why do your latest two posts have nothing that was requested? What is your claim? Explain the guilty result on BBMolla. Explain WTF you are doing.

I didn't target BBMolla, why the hell are you asking me?

If you got the result that BBMolla is scum, you were presumably sent a PM. What was the flavor?

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I will stick with the town read I had on PV when his Day 1 wagon got to L-1. He is town bbmola scum.

This guy needs to be next please and thank you.

Thank you.

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BB if PV flips town; vezok if he flips scum. At least that is what I am doing.