That's a bold prediction. There's no guarantee those characters are even in this game.In post 8, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Also predictions: Aetis dies Night 1 and Lizen makes it lylo.
Two of FG's most beloved characters.In post 12, GuyInFreezer wrote:Who is Aetis and who is Lizen?
Wasn't his reasoning more along the lines of your posting feeling "smooth and natural?"In post 40, Konowa wrote:It's more of a "hey cool you're aggressive and follow through" which should be a null response.
Which post and why was it uncomfortable?In post 41, hiplop wrote:most uncomofrtable post ever
I'm assuming Desp is referring to the post where Kalimar graced Pieguy's wagon with his vote.In post 46, GuyInFreezer wrote:Where did Kalimar called pieguy scum?
I like this post and Desp is probably town.In post 68, Desperado wrote:He and Kalimar are shadowing each other re: Pieguy. I don't think it's rehearsed; leaning towards scum-Bait following town-Kalimar--I don't think they're both town and Bait's chainsaw was significantly less subtle
I was opposed to your wagon prior to this because your posting felt genuine. But this one feels forced and the underlined portion doesn't resonate with me.In post 77, Konowa wrote:#68 was a bunch of crap that can be easily defined as arbitrary. Nothing in the post contains any substance other what neatly fits your little pet theory.When confronted by my vote, you question why I, your scumread, would disagree with your view on my potential buddy. What? #70 makes little sense from a Town perspective if you truly thought I was scum and Bait was my buddy.
I know nothing of the sort. And inactivity through the RVS stage doesn't seem all that scummy to me.
I don't have much of an issue with his 24. His early aggressiveness reminds me of my own play.In post 84, Majiffy wrote:Konowa's 24 looks more like he's looking for a reason to plant a "serious" vote until RVS ends and he find a wagon to push/hop on rather than legitimate scumhunting.
Who can be town too.In post 92, Who wrote:I do not get that vibe at all from it. Furthermore, don't town often force themselves out of RVS?
I'd like to move a wagon here. It feels as though Hiplop's just trying to attach himself to an easy scumread, and his posting doesn't read sincere to me.In post 112, hiplop wrote:pie is still most likely scum in my eyes
her one post was just crummy as hell
What's the discerning difference that makes you think Konowa's post is scum-motivated instead of town-motivated?In post 97, Majiffy wrote:In post 92, Who wrote:I do not get that vibe at all from it. Furthermore, don't town often force themselves out of RVS?
Can you explain to me exactly what it is that you're trying to achieve?In post 223, Majiffy wrote:That's L-1 by the by. No more votes without intent and a claim.
Pretty sure he requested replacement. Do you still think he could be town? Why?In post 350, Majiffy wrote:For you, Bait.In post 344, Majiffy wrote:Where is Desperado's retroactive case-building?
Barring a lack of ability to illustrate said retroactive case-building on the part of Desperado, why do you propose we start with him first? And furthermore, if Desperado isn't retroactively case-building, who on the wagon is?
There was a small handful of people he suspected, but I'm currently leaning towards PR hunting. Do you think anybody he suspected could have felt threatened?In post 352, borkjerfkin wrote:I'm trying to figure out what GIF's death means readwise [if he wasn't killed just for his (odd) crumb].
Do you haveIn post 351, hiplop wrote:GIF was town? hm crazy
Hahaha. This isn't making you look any better.In post 366, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Scum Gaiden would have shot GiF.
I thought it would be worth more to explore the Day 1 Desp-Bait OMGUS over a [now predetermined] dice-roll. I do find your sudden interest in the Bait wagon intriguing.In post 379, hiplop wrote:what? why?
I'm pretty sure I was already voting one of the offenders before making the above quote. So I'm not seeing the issue here.In post 380, borkjerfkin wrote:Obviously I agree with the sentiment behind this, but I can't get a good indication that he's really trying to do actually pursue any of the offenders here:
1) 118 - kind of half-heartedly endorses the koneilwa wagon, which doesn't really jibe with what he says here - if he thinks the wagon is on scum then he shouldn't have any problem with all the bussing he apparently thinks is likely. Additionally, his hiplop vote there is pre-hiplop jumping on konowa, so it's not like he's been really scumhunting through jiffy's supporters or jiffy himself.
I had a small townread on Who based on something he said that resonated with me. The read deteriorated towards the end of Day 1 and I wanted to see more from him. As for why I switched my vote, I was just more interested in the Bait wagon.In post 380, borkjerfkin wrote:In addition to his getting absolutely nothing out of his Who vote (why did that even happen? when did he stop being town to you? why did you wait like no time for that to develop?)
Is this really the only reason you think people are considering Bait-scum?In post 381, borkjerfkin wrote:Definitely don't like anyone's fitz votes considering all bait really did was try to derail the fuck out of a wagon on town.
Also, when did I ever mention anything about bussing?In post 380, borkjerfkin wrote:if he thinks the wagon is on scum then he shouldn't have any problem with all the bussing he apparently thinks is likely
Although I agree with you that Hiplop is concerning, I don't like this tell.In post 388, Kalimar wrote:He's also been posting more 'elsewhere'.
I didn't like one of Konowa's posts because it didn't resonate with me at all, but I wasn't convinced he was scum because some of his posting felt genuine to me.In post 392, borkjerfkin wrote:I can't tell that this is actually making you feel worse about the neil wagon (the last thing you really say about it is that 'you opposed it until [something he said] happened (118)') because you don't really take any stance about it here so I'm using the last stance you did give. I'd have expected 236 to contain something about being worried that neil was flipping town if you were really that concerned that people were sheeping Majiffy with no reasoning (because if you thought this was a wagon on scum and people were bussing, this should be exciting, not worrying).
It's concerning. I'd think that town would be interested in how people got onto his wagon or why they were sheeping him, but you said this was Majiffy's general MO. However, I liked the way he handled his wagon towards the end of the day and pushed the wagon through on a VT claim. It looks town-motivated.In post 392, borkjerfkin wrote:re: getting to the root of the flowcharting - how do you feel about Majiffy so far considering his answer to you and his posts today?
I'm actually just sheeping Desp because I think he's town and Desp seems convinced that Bait's scum. I was still lukewarm about Desp's Bait read, but we both saw the same thing with regards to havingfitz's entrance and I moved over.In post 392, borkjerfkin wrote:Considering that I haven't seen any alternate reason, I am again default to reasoning I have seen. Feel free to correct me instead of just implying I'm wrong and not elaborating.
Why can't you see scum doing this? It's not like Neil wasn't going to get lynched. Any blame for the wagon could have just been deflected.In post 402, borkjerfkin wrote:Wanted to bring this up earlier about Who:
Who went out of his way to attempt to get on the wagon at the end of the day (not even bothering to wait to see if the self-vote counted).
I would not expect this from scum dealing with a town wagon.
What makes you think this?In post 421, Majiffy wrote:I think GIF was killed for fear, not for a crumb.
Neil was getting lynched anyways, so there was never a position to incur blame to begin with.In post 427, borkjerfkin wrote:Why even put oneself in the position to incur that blame in the first place?
I don't have any working meta with Fitz. And the issue I had was the complete mirroring of his predecessor's reads. There was an inherent lack of original thought and his OMGUS onto Desp looked contrived.In post 428, borkjerfkin wrote:Desp called it a meta read so I'm finding it hard for Brian to know what Desp saw
Desp has already explained the other things he's already called Bait out on: shadowing Kalimar, sheeping GiF's scumreads, calling a replacement post town without any real substance to back it up, etc. So I don't understand why you think people only think Bait's scum for what he did at the end of Day 1.In post 428, borkjerfkin wrote:this isn't really a satisfactory response to the line of his 'can't you see there are other reasons to see Baitslot scum?
?In post 439, Desperado wrote:2. I don't think I'm going to need to to get you lynched this time anyway so QED
What nonsense am I okay with?In post 441, hiplop wrote:Brian skies is rubbing me off pretty oddly. He definitely seems to be okay with this nonsense of a town atm.
As likely as the probability of there being a vig in the game divided by two. Also, not a lot of people were scumreading GiF that I know of, so I don't think he was vigged.In post 452, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Question, how likely is it that GiF was vigged?
Desp isn't getting lynched this game. His play here is more reminiscent of his townplay in Anything Goes and not from the last two games I played with him (hesitance in pushing his scumreads, ingratiating himself with the playerslist), among other reasons.In post 456, havingfitz wrote:Desperado for reasons given. Also, though I don't have proof...I suspect he is a better player then he has shown in this game, ergo he's scum. Also, though I don't have proof...I suspect he is a better player then he has shown in this game, ergo he's scum.
What general misconduct? And don't you think you've been contributing to it?In post 476, hiplop wrote:basically just the general misconduct of the town thus far in this game
Even if you think he soft claimed something like that, why are you fishing for it right now? And as already made apparent, I think only a select few of us are familiar with the VisCon flavor (you, me, Desp, dunno who else).In post 484, SXTLHGaiden wrote:You soft claimed a role that is likely to be either a cop variant or doc variant. so i wonder why you didn't get killed.
Who are you talking to?In post 486, notscience wrote:Hold the phone
I said I'd get back to you on that
Don't fucking misrep me, I have to catchup and was going to answer that when I did (I kinda forgot about this game today)
No. It was based on an [Disney?] animated cartoon.In post 498, Desperado wrote:Was Frozen a FakeGod setup?
FakeGod puts in a lot of flavor, but he also includes red herrings, etc. So I don't know how beneficial it can be. Although, it DID put us on the right track in Desert Kingdom and Muffin had the game pretty much solved on Day 2 (the town just broke down on Day 3). I don't really want to talk about it very much. I'm still trying to block it out of my mind.In post 500, borkjerfkin wrote:2) What does 'fakegod setup' mean in general as far as massclaiming being good?
3) How is a massclaim going to help you clear people? This is a fucking important question.
VisCon games are set in the same universe so the flavor/characters tend to be related/recyclable, and the flavor itself tends to hold a lot of information. But they don't really share much else other than that.In post 506, borkjerfkin wrote:I'll admit I have read zero Viscon games (and probably wouldn't have expected the mechanics to necessarily be similar between them either).
Because he looks like obvscum or really scummy town.In post 525, havingfitz wrote:Anyone voting hiplop care to explain why? Vice others on the D1 wagon.
Even if you think that scum could do this (because I wholly believe that they can), why do you think it would be a good idea to try and out a possible protective/investigative role on Day 2 (and this is the issue I have with what you're doing)? What's the town motivation in that?In post 533, SXTLHGaiden wrote:so we should ignore this then? even when the brief things that i said early day 1 would imply that there is viscon continuity? do you think scum wouldn't look into past viscon games and look up the names that i mentioned?
Why do you think this is Majiffy's scum-game?In post 548, hiplop wrote:I definitely think this is majiffy scum this game
Hmmm. But this can mean a lot of things. We're talking about FakeGod here.In post 559, SXTLHGaiden wrote:The issue that i had was how he claimed that the "FakeGod Setup" conftowned him.
That order sounds fine. And I'd also like to get this done without wasting half the day phase wondering if it'll ever happen.In post 644, borkjerfkin wrote:Order should be at this point:
Gaiden/ns (seriously your two next posts should be claims) -> Majiffy -> me (as a gesture of good faith I'll be the first person off the wagon to claim) -> brian -> kalimar - > desp
Does that sound fine and can we finally do this for the love of fuck?
In post 649, borkjerfkin wrote:Unless he's like a hider or some shit. I'll look for a crumb
...in which case Who wasn't the NK after all, but let me check.
I can't find anything resembling hider crumbs in his iso. And not crumbing as a hider is terrible/scummy play. I caught Desp for that in Desert Kingdom.In post 651, borkjerfkin wrote:Ok if who was a hider there is no chance he hid behind anyone but Fitz (which means that Fitz was actually the NK and Who died collaterally) which means scum got lucky as fucking balls or rolecopped him or something.
Or we have a vig. *shrug*
In due time, young grasshopper. In due time.In post 656, SXTLHGaiden wrote:brian, just claim.
Are your powers referenced by a specific name?In post 694, Majiffy wrote:I'm a Knight with mental powers.
I'm Aetis and I'm neighbors with Desp.In post 700, Majiffy wrote:Who the fuck is Aetis?
Is this supposed to be a scum-claim?In post 705, notscience wrote:@Pie- how to read NS, part 1-
Is he lurking? (Yes, No)
Yes- Probably scum, but reach out and see if he responds first
No- He's town
Does he look like the role pm he has is like an STD to him? (Yes, No)
Yes- Scum
No- Town
There you go
I bolded the flavor knowledge I share with you. My role PM mentions a childhood friend named Jack who was in love with my sister Aetel before she got zapped by a portal. But you disappeared after the incident looking for a way to find her again.In post 706, Kalimar wrote:I'm Jack.Neighbour with GiF.
:flavour interlude:
Initially, I lived in my hometown contemplating how my life would be as lived with my childhood romance.
Three years ago, a blast of energy created a dimensional rift, changing natural laws themselves.This is the scenario mentioned in the cult portion of the opening flavour post.
Aetel, who I love dearly (I assume this is my childhood romance -- although I suppose it could be a platonic love with a separate friend, I doubt that), fell through a portal in some city ruins we were looking around and subsequently disappeared. She is Aetis' sister and Aetis is termed as 'my friend'.
After failing to locate her, I returned home to find my house was destroyed, as if a large avian creature had raptured it with its talons. My nameless uncle who had brought me up in my youth had also disappeared at this point.
I journeyed around to find out more about this disastrous event, but failed to find many leads.However, rumours of witches, who are complete encapsulations of a single given quality, were a possible avenue of information. A given example is that the current Witch of Death participated as his own faction in a great war over a century ago. By himself he killed more people than any known other.
Whilst on my travels I met Beta. She was termed as a quirky girl who needed to get to 'this town' (presume current location/game setting), and since I was good at travelling I decided to go with her. It was rumoured the Witch of Truth had been seen near this town; this was the closest I'd been to the truth and that nothing would stand in the way of me getting my answers.
~
So, what does the above mean? I have a theory about Aetel but I would like everyone to have claimed first before discussing it. The Witch of Truth rumour turned out to be accurate, and it's heavily implying that if Witch of Death is in this game it's a self-aligned killing faction (i.e. SK). The way the house was destroyed, the portal and the missing uncle might mean something to someone else, or could just be expositional filler. Or, if I'm feeling charitable, enrichment of the fictional setting.
I wanted to talk flavour with GiF to see if it meant anything to him but he didn't seem interested. We didn't talk much, except he asked if I wanted to claim masons pregame. Having checked the flip format FakeGod uses, I declined, thinking it could be very harmful if GiF were scum. We shared some scum reads on n1 - the QT was only active at night - and that was about it.
No one is confirmed to me in my role PM. And I don't remember ever saying I knew Desp was town. I've been town-reading Desp thus far, and it's mostly attributed to his play looking a lot closer to his town game than his scum game to me (which I explained earlier). The flavor just helps assert my read on him.In post 708, borkjerfkin wrote:You don't appear to be claiming masons with Brian (he in fact clarified it to be neighbors) so how in the Christing fuck do either of you know the other to be town like you've both been asserting all game?
Except that was a game where the mod strictly told you the flavor wasn't alignment indicative (I even told you so) and you guys let him string you along anyways.In post 710, pieguyn wrote:the last time I was in a game with a pair of ppl who were supposed to be "confirmed town" one of them was scum and they got out of a D1 wagon bc of it and we almost ended up losing. (AOT BROseidon/kthxbye) not to mention the "fakeclaim" was BRO's real role except it was a scum role
Aetel might not even be in this game. In Desert Kingdom, my character was son to the king, and the king was briefly mentioned in my flavor that game. But the king was fake-claimed by the scum-team. The same thing could be here in this game in that Aetel is only mentioned as a character in the flavor.In post 718, Kalimar wrote:Either Aetel's a complete red herring or she's the girl at the start of the opening flavour post (me being the lover).
Desp and I had a brief discussion of our reads in each of the night phases. On Night 1, two people I wanted to look at the most were Notty and Who. Who didn't have much of a presence in the game as a whole and I wanted him sorted in some way. Notty started off decently well but kind of dropped off as the day went on. I don't have any reason for why I chose one over the other. I just chose one and went with it.In post 719, Kalimar wrote:@Brian: Why'd you investigate the people you did, especially a guy you believed to be ascetic?
I've been betting on him being town since I claimed to him. My role flavor was hinting at my neighbor being Lizen, and Lizen has a history of being a town doctor in VisCon games. I haven't seen anything that indicates Desp-scum thus far.In post 720, Kalimar wrote:Oh actually, Brian - would you mutually bet the game on Desperado being town?
Sometimes. Except when he does that he puts a town vig and a town doc together and makes them lovers.In post 722, borkjerfkin wrote:If FakeGod wanted you two to be confirmed town he'd have made you masons.
Based on flavor, I have reason to believe Desp is who he says he is. And I have a good enough grasp on VisCon flavor to know that his role is likely to be a doc role (which he claimed to me). The last time I checked, Lizen wasn't a shady character, and unless something huge happened in the VisCon universe, I don't see Lizen dabbling with cultists and the like.In post 722, borkjerfkin wrote:I see zero reason to think 'hey these are characters that I've seen before in exactly two other games, confirmed town end of discussion' and not even attempt to question that.
Now that I think about it, I think Desp probably just confused Muffin's set-up spec in Desert Kingdom with the flavor spec I used in that game (which was just used for me to actually start caring and try to find scum; and all it did was confirm Elyse as Lizen for me that game).In post 722, borkjerfkin wrote:this massclaim thing hasn't even approached 'breaking the game'
What about Gaiden's recent play do you like?In post 722, borkjerfkin wrote:I'm actually feeling a little better about Gaiden lately
Yeah, I can't remember which game that was either. People seem to have this high standard for my play but I'm barely mediocre. I mean, I didn't even really show up until like Day 2 of that game.In post 724, Majiffy wrote:I'm pretty underwhelmed by Brian this game; he struck me as a much stronger player than this in the game that I was scum and buddied the fuck out of him. Can't remember which game that was.
Flavor was involved, but it was mostly set-up spec.In post 727, Majiffy wrote:Did town try to break the second game with flavor?
I don't think his play was suboptimal. There are only four people left on the Konowa wagon (with Majiffy being one of them) and it makes more sense to just try and lynch the scum on the wagon than shoot it.In post 733, SXTLHGaiden wrote:That doesn't matter. If you take Pie's claim to be true, then killing anyone on the neil wagon does the following:
1. Removes someone who you think would be useless at this stage in the game (me).
2. Ends with 2 scum in a 3 person pool at worst. Even at mylo, this is favorable. This gives 2/3 odds to lynch scum, then you shoot the last person and bam 2 dead scum and likely you would die too since you would have to claim the vig shot if town was hit. Still 2 for 1 trade is quite good.
Am I missing something here?
In post 735, Desperado wrote:The only way this makes sense is if Brian and I are scum together and we planned on claiming pseudo-masons from the beginning, which begs the question--why wouldn't we just claim masons?
Except Kalimar said Giffy offered to claim masons with Kalimar, and it's something none of us four have actually done. Desp and I haven't claimed masons, we've just been betting on each other being town.In post 737, Majiffy wrote:Because neighbors protects your ass if one of you flips scum.
In post 744, Majiffy wrote:That's cool. Was Kalimar on the wagon? Because I wouldn't mind lynching him.
I don't understand what you're doing. Unless you're counterclaiming him and think he's scum, we don't have the option of lynching Majiffy because of the threat of a 3-man scum-team.In post 745, SXTLHGaiden wrote:You could have confirmed it yourself by killing pie N2. A town flip would imply that we have no reason to doubt the claim and it would have put us at mylo with 50% to lynch scum. However, if you had claimed the vig shot at pie, then you pretty much conftown yourself since scum would be insane to put themselves in a position where most of the would die. So we would actually have 2/3 odds of lynching scum.
Why?In post 748, Majiffy wrote:Sucks for you guys, then, cuz I have a town read on NS.
Have you not been reading? I said I thought Desp was town based on play and the flavor was just asserting that read.In post 765, SXTLHGaiden wrote:lol brian. Just cause a character is town one game doesn't mean they will be town in the next. You saw the wingate thing (granted the shift was scum to town, but the idea still applies.).
I got nothin'.In post 800, SXTLHGaiden wrote:any thoughts on what being "marked" means?
Yes. I targeted Pie. He's a witch.In post 805, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Brian, did you target someone last night?
I confirm I had these discussions with Desp.In post 821, Desperado wrote:Brians first n1 suggestions were GIF/Who/Jiffy/Kalimar; then a couple days later he says he's between Notscience and Who, leaning Notscience because he flowcharted the Neil wagon so hard. I agreed with NS and suggested he use a code to telegraph his result; if NS was a witch, he would ask NS a question in his first post.
n2 Brian lead off with Who and I agreed. Based on POE at the time we had the scum off the wagon inside {Who, Bait} and I remembered Who softclaiming a warning against visiting him (I thought he was softing Ascetic). We felt it was worth testing.
Last night we both got weird on pieguy.
I kind of feel that this is just how VisCon games go.In post 855, borkjerfkin wrote:This setup was kind of bullshit. There was literally no way for me to even get an inkling of what was going on in the game - it was literally all up to the PRs to play well and not get NKed - we were just along for the ride.
And more than 5x as many posts as the two of has had in the entire game thread.In post 873, FakeGod wrote:The scum QT had nearly 50% of posts of the actual thread.In post 871, Brian Skies wrote: @Pie: Fun scumming with you. Was a lot of fun in the QT planning this one out.
In post 878, Brian Skies wrote:But we didn't, got lucky twice, and rode out the apathy for a win.
I beg to differ. Our dayplay might have been lacking, but our QT play was extremely fun and I loved talking strategy and BS with you.In post 884, pieguyn wrote:I'm generally not that fun to play scum with considering I suck ass at it but it was so much fun BS'ing around in the QT \o/ I had like 6x the amt of posts in there as I did in the actual game
