The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Magua]

Hai guiz.

[/quote]

Actually, I read the posts on page 85. That's how much I care for you people.

Someone kindly summarize why mollie is scum. Or why UT is scum.

Also what mollie means by eagle people.

[Magua]

Pro-level prod dodge before I actually get prodded.

Y'all are fun and whatnot, but not as fun as getting paid, so that's taking priority. C'est la vie.

Good news is that job deadline is tonight and so, y'know, after I finish that and then sleep, I'll be sure to post something with more compelling content than "neener neener."

neener neener

[Magua]

Oh. Hai guiz.

neener neener

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Myself-ego stuff first. Don't see any reason to think it strange that mollie's read on this slot has gone stale with lack of posting. Actually makes a lot of sense, whereas mollie-scum-who-is-at-L-3-which-is-really-L-1-because-of-some-stupid-role would be more likely to a) buddy me or b) try to work suspicion onto a competing wagon rather than mixing something up on someone who's just not going to get lynched today, ie, me.

What I didn't like is:

mollie saying magua's slot isn't town is lols

While I agree that saying I'm not town is, in fact, scientifically measured at 5x10^8 gigalols, this is just super weird to be the only piece of content over the three days. Liked 2180, sure, it's fun, glad he mentions Eagle, etc., but 2210 is just oddly specific in pointing out that one thing and ignoring everything else, and I don't like it. (Pre-rebuttal: Yes, Pie also asks Waffles a question in #2210. Questions don't count. I should know. I ask a bunch.)

But that's not what I came to talk about. I came to talk about

the draft

Untrod Tripod, specifically #2172, because we're still on ego-me. So I read 2172 and it's "Hey guys, here's this thing that I find scummy." Which is fine. But it's not "here's what I think, oooooh, caught scum, vote!" it's "Oh, man, this could go either way, holy shit I'm confused, what do you all think?" which is two goddamn red flags.

(Yes, mollie voices suspicion of me and I read her as townier. UT does it and I read him as scummier. This is because mollie just fucking *does* it, whereas UT is all, "i dunno wat do u tink guiz?")

So.

UNVOTE: InflatablePie
VOTE: Untrod Tripod

Final note of ego stroking is that either Mina or Tammy or both are voicing suspicion of me, ergo all is right in the world.

With ego time over: In the wagon race of UT, mollie, Cheery, Eagle, from scummiest to towniest is UT->Eagle-------->Cheery--->Iecerint-->mollie. I threw Iecerint in there after a readthrough and finding out that he's made a single post. Yeah, some claim with him being an autohammerer and probably something else; dun care. YGNO is very close to entering the pile, but I'm held back by thinking that

Reck

they would be doing more regardless of alignment either way, so holding them more null for now.

I would throw Ythan into the suspicion pile simply for complete lack of anything, but he's a vig of some sort or another, so what the hell, he can have a pass. Fate would also go in the pile because lalalanot enough death, but I just don't want to. Nuwen doesn't go into the scumpile, no matter what Tammina say, because a) I think they're being paranoid, and b) even if scum she's still generating content which is good, and I agree with her on mollie which is also a plus.

[Magua]

Gaiz, I'm super glad that my continued pattern of never being on a scumlynch is being respected.

[Magua]

Tammina and Faraday+whoever are both town, bee-tee-dubs, though I'm aware that really wasn't a matter of debate.

Eagle-scum and mollie-scum (or eagle-scum and cheery-scum, for that matter) doesn't make sense to me, and so I disbelieve. Tammina is just being super paranoid here.

[Magua]

Yawns.

Less inclined to vote UT today because of his position on Eagle. Don't think mollie's scum. Meh on Cheery.

VOTE: Your New Gay Overlords

PEdit: Er. Is there some role thing of Eleven's that I missed?

[Magua]

I'm falling for the classic blunder of incentivizing bussers by ignoring them for the moment.

Makes the list so much shorter and easier to manage.

[Magua]

actually, gamma, hear me out, I thought about this for a second:

waffles neighborized me last night (with the claim being that if I was scum she would have died)

I want to lynch Ythan. if he flips town we can lynch waffles.

one of them is almost def-scum due to the vig shot claims.

This is bad and you should feel bad.

[Magua]

Untrod Tripod is confirmed town by the way.

Well, that sucks.

But, still liking my YNGO vote.

[Magua]

@UT:

Where's the second vig? Ythan's a vig, and...?

[Magua]

Oh, Waffles is a JOAT? And, pardon my ignorance here, Waffles shot whom? I presume from Ythan's comments that Waffles' shot isn't confirmed for some reason.

[Magua]

Ok. Still not interested in lynching Waffles or Ythan today. And drawing the talk back around to "lynch one or the other" is, not to put too finely a point on it,

incredibly scummy from Untrod Tripod so we should lynch him

a mistake.

[Magua]

Spoiler: Relevant

[Magua]

am i getting 1v1'd on a guilty claim?

Yes.

By Eleven.

Who flipped town.

[Magua]

i thought eleven flipped scum

UNVOTE: Your New Gay Overlords
VOTE: ~Jordan

[Magua]

seriously? if we're playing a douchebaggish game of "you're scum and therefore EVERYTHING you say is scum" then go ahead and lynch me now. i'm not reading 96 pages just to get wheedled on bullshit like "what's going on?" "LOLZ, SO SCUMZORZ"

If you think the guitly on you is fake, you should be voting Eleven.

[Magua]

Gammagooey is terrible at playing along. The chance of it working on Antihero was small, but better a small chance than no chance.

it's red
i thought i was scum when i opened my role PM, too

I'm quite aware. My initial-gut-reaction mod to the PMs upon receiving my role was to curse them for making me scum; then I actually *read* my role and sent another PM yelling at AP for reversing the colors (again).

So by the time I looked at the thread, I knew that red was town because I'd already gone through that whole thought process in regards to my role.

Jordan's post indicates that he didn't go through it after reading his role.

if that was the case and who's heard of an investigator that can send messages

<----

And it's such an odd pair to put together. But we had a real chance of dying last night, so our town flip could have cleared cheery dog. It's just bugging me and I'd us get lynched to clear the message that way than someone else erroneously get cleared if it's a scum message.

IDK but it doesn't feel right.

So if it doesn't feel right, what do you expect lynching Cheery to do (in either case)? Eg, you lynch Cheery, he flips scum, then what? You lynch Cheery, he flips town, then what?

[Magua]

Spoiler alert: In this post I agree with Gamma a whole bunch.

Re: Gamma's message. This is utterly ignorable. The only thing that will ever make it non-ignorable in my eyes is if someone is going to claim to be responsible for it. Until that point, too many possibilities. Could be the truth. Could be Gamma lying. Could be scum messenger lying. Could even be a motherfucking town messenger lying for whatever reason. It's not mod confirmed, so its ignored. Thinking Cheery Dog is scum is fine. Thinking Waffles is scum is lulz, but whatever. Trying to justify either of those based on the message is insane. Trying to lynch one or the other to confirm one or the other is just in

s

anity. The sheer amount of wasted effort in regards to this message is just mind-boggling.

Holy shit, mollie, disengage from posting for two seconds and think about things. Holy. Shit. But, mollie's town. Whole bunch of people are piling on mollie for pushing on UT when there is no conceivable way that UT can be scum without Waffles being scum. Yes, this is bad play on mollie's part. But it's not scum play. Waffles already has suspicion on them from some corners, mollie-scum could jump on that, but jumping on UT just gets her derision. And she sticks to it bulldoggishly, not like, "Oh, didn't think that through, new thing," but "Everyone's wrong but me" (2555). Not scum.

Meanwhile Axxle just jumps into the thread to state a bunch of facts (mollie's VT claim, Waffles' claim), and a vote for Jordan (appreciated), and...well, that's it.

YNGO's posts have also been bad. Information ("Yo mollie, let me explain logic to you"), a whole bunch of prettily-formatted VCAs that completely lack in the A department, and, then a whole bunch of wishy-washy shit ("Gamma's vote on AD could've been scum...or town! Ythan's role could be scum...or town!" Etc.) And even their statements are pretty off, eg, "19 player game? 5-6 scum + survivor sounds totally legit." That last one's not alignment indicative, per se, since it's just so bizarrely wrong, but it does indicate to me that Reck's not

really

trying to figure shit out, and is more just mumbling along. Especially 2599 where he spends time considering the flavor names of the Mafia which, given that Eaglekit fakeclaimed "That one game where Mina was scum and didn't laugh" means that scum has fakeclaims and the whole train of thought is useless.

PEdit: Ooooh, can't wait to see the insults Reck directs my way after the above.

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Do not think EagleKit was bussing with the guilty on mollie. I think it was a last-ditch effort to solidify the mollie lynch (which had gotten up to the effective L-1) and put off their own.

Still think Jordan's "Eleven was town" post was calculated to look like a townslip. Do not like that immediately after it its all "Going to go away and come back with a mission statement" and then comes back with "What is anti scum" and "This is impossible".

Townsville (S->W): UT-->Waffles-->mollie------->Ythan------->Gammagooey----------->Antihero-->Iecerint (Iece is literally just because of role)

Scum City (S->W): Jordan-->YNGO-------------->Axxle-->Cheery Dog---------->Pie

[Magua]

When it's time to lynch, sure. But pressuring Reck won't do anything, whereas pressuing Jordan, Axxle, or Cheery might.

[Magua]

Reck: Less words into defending yourself that

no one

I don't care about, more words into actually

pretending to

saying who is scum. Your entire case on Cheery Dog, as near as I can figure from the 1% of content you have amongst the 99% fluff, is that Cheery didn't vote for ActionDan or EagleKit. Which is super odd to say because you're in the same exact boat, so if it's a good reason to be voting for Cheery, it's also an equally good reason to be voting for you. You also push Gamma's message, simultaneously saying that it's scum motivated for WIFOM and that we should be lynching Cheery because of it.

That's about the long and short of it. Feel free to enlighten me as to what I missed.

[Magua]

Cheery, can you kindly explain to me how you went from "mollie isn't scum" in 2350 at the beginning of the Day to "mollie is probably scum" in 2515 yesterday?

[Magua]

So, just to verify. With Eagle-scum and mollie-scum, you think:

It's D2, Eagle's bussing mollie and mollie is voting you. Your wagon and mollie's wagon are both at effective L-2, and mollie-scum sees a proto-wagon on Eagle for no reason other than that Eagle's being a lurker, and decides to jump on that rather than push yours?

[Magua]

Well, rephrase then: mollie decides to abandon your L-2 wagon to bus her buddy's L-5 wagon instead?

[Magua]

*kicks the dead

horse

thread*

I like how on the activity list, alt-slips make up a third of the posters.

I don't like Jordan getting pressure, then disappearing with "I'll be back with a mission statement", then coming back and asking questions, then disappearing, while posting elsewhere.

[Magua]

do you think that's really a scumtell for jordan though?

I mean

I wouldn't want to read this game >_>

I do think his "Eleven was town?" was a scumtell, yes, having already explained the thought process there.

Reading the game is not a requirement for posting coherent thoughts. Jordan hasn't been posting coherent thoughts. He's not the only one not posting coherent thoughts (hi Iecerint!), but he's the scummiest of them.

[Magua]

magua next time I see I am going to give you a big sloppy kiss on the cheek.

I'm flattered, really, I am, but I have absolutely no idea why you're saying this.

I mean, I literally cannot tell from your post what you're so happy about. Maybe it's me asking Cheery questions? But I don't see why that would make you happy.

So if you could expound, that would be great.

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Super sad that more activity goes into a back-and-forth about whether mollie-had-stated-an-intent-to-hammer-or-not-holy-shit-this-is-important than actually, y'know, current events. Or suspicions of people. Or voting. Bad Waffles. No biscuit. "Blah blah, day starts, blah, stuff, blah, claim, blah blah, blah.....siiiiiiiiiilence...more siiiiiiiiiiilence...mollie says she was ninja'd by Gamma HOLY SHIT MUST POST NOW MUST POST NOW THUNDERCATS HO!"

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Welp, Jordan, let's play it easy like this: Tell me who you're thinking of voting, and why, and that'll be super.

Noting Axxle coming in to ask a question but not make a statement again,

there's a surprise

and Antihero is super usefully destroying the townread I had on the Nuwen slot, so, good job?

[Magua]

Waffles.

Waffles.

Waffles.

Who do you think is scum?

[Magua]

Hooray for being useful!

Next step in the checklist is to comment on something that happened after D1!

So you think AD was bussed. Great. How does that factor in with the Eaglekit lynch D2? What do you think about the Antihero wagon at the beginning of D3?

[Magua]

Still don't like the Nuwenwagon, even if it is an Antihero wagon now.

However, I've been pretty wrong this whole game so let's assume I'm wrong now, too.

VOTE: Antihero

NOPE NO WAY JOSE

Antihero -- Nuwen's posts were genuine and her reads sounded a lot like my own. Having played with Nuwenscum, this was certainly not it.

Do elaborate.

[Magua]

Is that a scumclaim?

seems fishing

Ok, Jordan. Let's play a game. What do you think Iecerint is fishing for here?

Do not like that immediately after it its all "Going to go away and come back with a mission statement" and then comes back with "What is anti scum" and "This is impossible".

is it the failure to deliver?

Yes, combined with you doing the exact same thing that Axxle is doing where instead of talking about shit you just drop in and make your irrelevant and contentless one liners and then leave.

[Magua]

Look, Jordan, I don't *want* to choke you. You're *making* me choke you.

[Magua]

You use "reads", plural. So which of my reads, aside from the one where I think you're scum, do you think are shitty?

Also, answering this question would be doubleplusgood:

Ok, Jordan. Let's play a game. What do you think Iecerint is fishing for here?

[Magua]

Jordan.

Jordan.

Jordan.

I'mma rap at you for a bit.

So here's the thing. I don't give a flying fuck if you're feeling "overwhelmed". Literally do not care at all. You knew how long the game was when you replaced in. You either play, or you replace out. That's it. Whining about it does nothing.

That said, you're not making statements or asking questions indicating that you're trying to comprehend a single solitary thing. There's no followup. There's no continuity. You spew something out and then when I ask you a question about it you either disappear or ignore it. This ain't rocket science here. You say Iecerint sounds like he's fishing -- I ask what you think he's fishing for -- you deflect. You say my reads are shitty -- I ask what reads you disagree with -- you deflect. I've asked you, let's see, carry the two

In the language of the streets, stop the motherfucking bullshit.

Either you're spewing things out of your mouth with no rhyme nor reason, or you could take one fifth the effort this last whine of yours took to actually answer a question about something that you said.

[Magua]

I don't care what your answer *could* be. I care what it *is*.

Again, 1/5th the effort of your post could've gone into *actually answering the question*.

[Magua]

So if you could stop deflecting for like five seconds, and assume that my questions are asked in good faith and that I actually care about the answer that you give, well, that'd just be dandy.

[Magua]

The problem with your questions is that they don't go anywhere; they are

dumb

. Do you really think I might have a set of reads that I'm just not talking about because I love appearing useless? Do you really think "seems fishing" about a "is that a scumclaim" post can mean anything other than "i feel like this guy is picking at low-hanging fruit". Your questions aren't even interesting.

What am I thinking about you, and why did I ask those questions? I'll explain.

You say my reads are shit. I ask what reads you think are shit (besides the one on you). Why do I ask this? I ask this because I think you're just mudslinging with an ad hominem attack, ie, I don't think you think my reads are *actually* shit specifically, you're just insulting me in general terms in order to create doubt.

You say Iecerint seems like he's fishing. I ask what he's fishing for. Why do I ask this? Because again it seems like a generic off-the-shelf thing to say about someone, and I'm curious about whether you actually believe it or, again, if you're just throwing shit around to see what sticks.

This continues. You say you think I'm town, so, presumably, you believe that I'm genuine in asking the questions. But then you say my questions aren't "interesting", that they're "dumb", etc, which is more ad hom indicating that I shouldn't be asking them. So. What's your thought process here?

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Who else do you think is town?

[Magua]

I have completely lost my townread on antihero

Who[m] *do* you have a townread on?

Also, there's a bit in 2618 where you say:

anyways I am not voting gaiboiz until after this weekend I don't want reck making me stand out in a tornado again

This is after your most recent vote (on Cheery Dog). Fast-forward to after-the-weekend and you're still on the Cheery wagon, along with (drumroll) YNGO.

How does this make you feel?

[Magua]

Welp, I was going to just yell at everyone for a goddamn-stupid-out-of-nowhere-lynch-that-went-from-0-to-lynch-in-less-than-two-days-and-jesus-christ-people-really, except that it actually hit scum, so, yeah, um.

Really didn't like Reck's case on Pie. Really didn't like it. But, it was right, so, there's that, and I don't think that a Reck/Pie team, at this point, would have Reck pull the lynch off of several viable mislynches to bus his buddy when he'd still have to live through so many Days afterwards, so, um, yeah.

Then again, I don't see why Pie would've self-hammered on a flash wagon, so, rationality out the window, yippee, etc.

This is HunterxHunter all over again.

[Magua]

Happy to lynch Jordan, Cheery, or Axxle at this point, in approximately that order.

VOTE: Jordan

Interested in hearing any roleblocker or jailkeeper-pretending-to-be-roleblocker claims.

Not interested in hearing any doctor or jailkeeper-pretending-to-be-doctor claims on Untrod Tripod or Waffles, but keep up the good work.

[Magua]

"I think Reck is town but let me spend most of my post bitching about how his case was bad and the wagon was bad"

I'm so glad you get me.

[Magua]

TBQH, I doubt there's a doctor at all. I don't think either N nor AP would put both a doctor and a bodyguard into a game.

I could see a roleblocker.

But what I could really see is apathetic, zero-morale scum who didn't bother to submit a kill.

[Magua]

wait a second... who else besides ythan claimed vig?

Waffles had a vig shot. They both claim to have shot Triforce N1. Not sure which claimed first.

Ythan is a confirmed day vig. Now, I was there for A Storm of Swords where hasdgfas dayvigged his buddy D1 and then went on to ride out the entire rest of the game...but I don't care. 98% that Ythan-scum would hold the dayvig for instalylo win, or, alternatively, would hold it until he was being wagoned and then take out a claimed PR or similar.

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@Reck:

Hi. I'm not claiming.

[Magua]

Guiz.

As seriously amusing as this page is, can we go back to the point where we were talking about people being scummy, for, y'know, reasons and stuff, instead of fixating blindly onto mechanics?

Thx.

[Magua]

Gamma's claim fits the flavor so motherfucking perfectly. By contrast, Eagle's claim and Pie's claim didn't flavor fit at all.

[Magua]

Reckoner (PEdit: and UT), look, assuming that people are rational, if someone has any information of use they'll *tell us*.

Mollie may fall outside that category, but she's already claimed, so hooray.

Yeah, there could be a godfather making Gamma's results useless. Got it.

Don't think Gamma is scum. Think if Gamma is scum, Eagle and Pie would've both had much better claims than the bullshit they were using.

[Magua]

If you think it's a good argument, you're limiting the claim pool to Jordan, Cheery, maaaaaybe Axxle?, which is, see, the lynch pool as it is without the mass claim.

[Magua]

wot is this i don even

[Magua]

I am sorry but didn't you say you were not going to claim?

Yes. I did say this. You can tell it from the part of my posts where I said I wasn't going to claim.

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Un

related question, mollie: Can you expound on how your flavor-name relates to your role?

[Magua]

mollie, do you think I am rolefishing you?

Srs question.

Also, given that both Eagle and Pie had really terrible rolename-to-role interactions, asking you to justify yours was also a srs question.

[Magua]

Also, given that both Eagle and Pie had really terrible rolename-to-role interactions, asking you to justify yours was also a srs question.

Since I remembered whom I was talking to and realized this could be taken vaguely, this is me saying your words in 3002 were not sufficient and I would like you to actually answer the question of how the two interact, please and thank you.

[Magua]

I am not the 1 who assigned my role

I already claimed

it seems like what you are asking me is to reverse engineer the mods and I can't do that

I know you already claimed.

What I'm looking for is "How does your flavorname (5 scummers in a truck) relate to your role (VT)."

Got to here from thinking of Gamma's claim, which fits super well and is awesome, and then thinking back to Waffles' claim, (and mine that I'm not telling anyone about, etc). They all fit together well. The ones claimed by the scum, lack this.

So I reread your claim, and found it to be more similar to Eagle's or Pie's, ie, scummy, because it's very disjointed.

Which is why I'm asking.

@Antihero:

Thanks, you're a doll, kindly be quiet, kthxbai.

[Magua]

oooo bitchy biting sarcasm... i think i made him mad...

so i'm guessing the assumption is that scum didn't get fakeclaims... like in literally every goddamn theme game... ever

OP says scum get fakeclaimes. But both Eagle's claim and Pie's claim were so off-base that either a) scum didn't get flavorname-to-rolename pairing, or b) decided to not use it. I'm leaning towards a. Ie, I think Eagle's fakeclaim really was "That one game where Mina was scum and didn't giggle", and I think that Pie's fakeclaim really was "Eleven", but then they both fucked it up in terms of relating that to their claimed roles of "Nonconsecutive cop" and "Stupidly long-ass requirement to solo win the game."

Mollie's already previously claimed role and flavor here. I didn't notice it when she claimed, but looking back I see the same disconnect between flavor/role.

So I asked. Tbf, I don't actually even care if you have the same situation,

because I want to hear it from mollie, not from you.

Hence, the dismissal.

except it is in no way similar to eagle people's or pie's?

mine has words.

Your's doesn't actually have words. The entirety of it is "anyways I am 5 scummers in the back of singer's truck and I am vt so no big deal." Pie's had way more words than yours.

PEdit: I had a whole bunch of words here that I then deleted because Reck said it better than I ever could.

PEdit2:

MOLLIE FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST I'M ASKING YOU A GODDAMN QUESTION NOT FUCKING VOTING YOU

Though, tbf, I am voting Jordan who's

already

pulled the same goddamn AtE as you're pulling now. And, Gawd-forbid, were Jordan to flip town, I would totally come back the next Day and ask you the question again. And if you answered it the same way you "answered" it (scare quotes because you did not, in point of fact, answer it. At all.) I would totally fucking lynch you, because both you and Jordan seem to have gotten this fucking idea in your motherfucking heads that a) people wanting information that might possibly cause them to

not

want to lynch you is obviously proof that they do, in fact, want to lynch you, and b) giving people information that might cause them to not want to lynch you is obviously playing right into their hands and the best plan of attack is to never, ever, ever do this, and c) I don't fucking care anymore just die die die die blood die.

[Magua]

@Mollie:

tl,dr: I think Jordan is more likely to be scum than you.

But.

If I'm wrong, and Jordan isn't scum.

I will totally lynch you.

For doing the exact same bullshit that he is doing.

Despite me thinking you're town.

For the past two Days.

And I will laugh.

And I will cover my face with your blood.

And I will dance around your body.

And I will give great thanks to the creator.

For allowing me to kill you.

[Magua]

:cares:

how funny you are linking me to jordan!

you asked me a question that was already answered unless you are wanting me to reverse engineer the mods minds. <----is this what you are wanting me to do?

the only way you will dance gracefully is if you are scum. otherwise it is gonna be an awkward struggle but then since I am retarded who cares yeah?

UNVOTE: Jordan
VOTE: pirate mollie

[Magua]

there is at least one VT in this game

Whyfore?

[Magua]

Srs question.

[Magua]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh.

[Magua]

sticking with town read on cdbmagua slot. reck you are going to have to unpack your reasoning on that 1.

So, since you think I'm town, howsabout you answer the question I asked about your flavor that Reck so helpfully simplified for me?

Because I'm still curious.

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From most-wanting-to-die-to-least:

Jordan can die. I'm not even that interested in hearing a claim, because if Jordan was town with useful info I think he would've said something on the five or six times he's visited the site now since Day started. My fantasy is that he's scum who didn't bother to submit a kill because he's so unmotivated.

I don't even really think mollie is scum (like 20% at this point), but god, voting her just feels so good I have to do it. "Ask question -> SUPER DEFENSIVE OMGWTFBBQ -> ask question again -> NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST -> vote" just gives me the warm fuzzies.

Beyond that, Cheery and Axxle were my next scumreads, by PoE, but Gamma done messed that one up. So although I find them scummy, they're backburnered.

Then Gamma and Antihero. Think Antihero is town largely because I thought Nuwen was town. Gamma I'm more meh on, but his unprovoked cop claim gives him towncred because if he's the last scum it makes it very touchy for how he would have to act when he's still alive through all the NKs.

Ythan. Straight up paranoia. Claim is good, dayvig shot is good, but....well, just not *town*. More like "not really giving a shit."

Iecerint. My mod-gut says that he's negative utility Town (like Deathnote was). It's just the sort of thing that attracts attention and if he's scum, his buddies would've been much better off bussing him than getting lynched themselves because at some point someone's going to say "Iecerint has to die before lylo" and then what do you do? Play has been lackluster, but meh.

Your New Gay Overlords: Gave a lot of slack to them for turning the wagon onto InflatablePie. Still believe this. Would've been easy to let one of the other lynches from D3 go through.

Waffles: Think they're town. Everything about their claim and their actions has been Town. Like them as Town. Etc.

Untrod Tripod: nope.jpg.

So:
Town (S->W) Untrod Tripod -> Waffles ---------> YNGO --> Iecerint ---> Ythan
Scum (S->W) Jordan ------> Cheery Dog -> Axxle ----> Gammagooey --> Antihero --> pirate mollie

[Magua]

also magua she did actually at least partially answer that already? it was in a lot of other words though

it was cold and what could possibly go wrong or something is my flavour. there are no seatbelts in the back of a truck

I skipped through

all of her posts

that post.

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. I still like voting her.

yeah, magua might actually be scum

*snores*

[Magua]

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really like voting mollie.

I only really have three scum suspects, two of which Gamma has an inno on. Everyone else is to some degree PoE. So, for you, nothing you've done reads town to me because I can't actually recall off the top of my head anything you've done. So, yeah, you get a place on my list. mollie has a whole bunch of things that point to her being town in my book, but she's so goddamn insanely defensive in her responses that

I'd vote for her even with a cop inno on her

it makes me reconsider my town read on her.

[Magua]

Nailed it in one!

Thank god mollie freak out like that, because if she'd just answered my questions calmly and rationally, I'd have no excuse to be voting her now!

Better to start planning my vote on you so that I don't get called out for OMGUS!

[Magua]

Hint: I reminded them myself about that at the beginning of the Day. That's some WIFOM-level shit I'm playing right there!

[Magua]

No, Ythan, ITT Antihero says people who give a reads list are scum trying to line up mislynches. Instead, we should follow his lead of never giving a goddamn read of anyone. Problem solved.

Aurhghg. Magua pings my scumdar SO HARD with his post on the last page then his posts on this page ping me as town. FUCK.

1. "Jordan has visited the site and not posted therefore we should lynch him." Jordan has flaked out of EVERY SINGLE GAME he's in right now. This is not specific to this game. We are not special.

2. Ignoring mollie's claim after trying to drag it out of her for such a long time is really, really fucking bad.

3. I really dislike Gamma's vote on Jordan. He acknowledges Jordan has SITE FLAKED but uses it as a game-specific reason to vote him.

I'm aware of Jordan's flakeage. It's sad, sadface, etc. But I was reading him as scum before that, and I still read him as scum now, and I do want him lynched. So, no, I'm not caring too terribly much what his claim is, and I don't really want to hold the game up for days while the mods get a replacement who is very, very, very, very likely to get lynched anyway. PEdit: Fucking Waffles.

For mollie's claim: At the start of D4, I didn't think there were actually any VTs in the game, so I became more suspicious of mollie's claim, which is why I wanted her to claim flavor, because with the flavor train wrecks of Eagle's and Pie's claims, I thought it would be toast. Her refusal to claim flavor sealed in my thinking.

Now that I know there's VT's in the game, I've realized I just really, really, really, really, really like voting mollie, so that's where my vote is. I could hammer Jordan, but I'd prefer to antagonize people more first.

Gamma-scum means, assuming that Gamma is the sole scum remaining, that he's taking off of the table some very viable mislynches, at least for the near term, and then having to set himself up to explain why he's alive in a final three way lylo. Possible? Sure. Plausible? Not really, IMO. That and the existence of a miller implies cop, etc etc rabbithole. Finally, if Gamma is scum he's been bussing the shit out of his teammates for preeeeetty much no reason.

[Magua]

I know for a fact Jordan was on site Sunday night after Day started, visited the site at least twice on Monday, none on Tuesday, visited at least once on Wednesday, and at least once on Thursday (today). He may have flaked, but he has not siteflaked.

And yes, this feeds into my scumread on him.

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I trust Waffles knows what they're doing with their plan. I just feel bad for the replacement (and for the downtime until said replacement joins).

[Magua]

It's simple.

I'm opposed to a massclaim because it gives information that is useful to the scum without giving any benefit to the town.

Whereas, asking you for fucking flavor for something you'd already claimed is completely fucking different and I don't even know why I have to say this.

I stopped reading your posts when you went batshit crazy rather than respond to the question, because there's only so much crazy my brain can process before it starts trying to shut down communication with my eyeballs, which I sort of want to keep.

[Magua]

Thank god mollie freak out like that, because if she'd just answered my questions calmly and rationally, I'd have no excuse to be voting her now!

[Magua]

My townread on your slot was from Nuwen, and you've done nothing but destroy it since you replaced in. I've literally said this.

My townread on mollie evaporated when she went ballistic when asked for her flavor, as you may have noticed when I voted her.

But lucky you, you didn't care about me voting her, 'cause that gets no mention, no, you just cared when I said that this person I was voting was on my scumlist. Goddamn master sleuth, you are.

[Magua]

mollie's been going ballistic about an assortment of things since i replaced in (waffles, ut), and the flavor thing is what's really getting you?

Yep.

@ magua - need I remind you that you actually said you thought that I was town but you wanted to lynch me anyways?

Yep!

I said all those things!

In fact, I'll say them again!

D2, I thought mollie was town!
I thought Nuwen was town, because she was defending mollie, who I thought was town!
When Eagle flipped scum, I thought mollie was super town and Nuwen was more town than before!

So when Antihero replaced into Nuwen's slot, I thought he was town too!

D3, I still thought mollie was supertown! Antihero, less town than before! But still town!

Then D4, mollie went berserk! Holy shit, townread destroyed![1] And Antihero continued to do nothing of any use whatsoever, so, townread destroyed!

Oh shit!

Best vote me!

[1] My original vote on mollie was more anger at her reaction than rational thought! But, upon retrospection, I really just want her dead, and actually do not even care if she's town at this point, because I think she's *more* of a danger than Iecerint is! So hooray!

and what has anti done that makes you no longer townread him?

He literally hasn't done anything. That's the problem. All of my townread on the slot is from Nuwen defending you D2. He's come in and done literally nothing.

[Magua]

oh, sorry

MOLIE IZ SO STOOOOPID
Vote: mollie

hueueueheueheuehue

there, am i "doing something" now? because this is all you've been doing

Whoa, watch out there Antihero!

You're coming dangerously close to providing content! C'mon, man, don't ruin your record this late in the game!

[Magua]

@ magua

so you vote out of anger cos I was responding irrationally and you at least acknowledge that you voting out of anger is irrational and even with this introspection you still want to lynch me for responding irrationally? omg

I have no words.

I figured if I couldn't beat

you

'em, I could join

you

'em. Feels much better. Less stress.

anti HAS provided content that is what makes your push on him so bad!

You've a very weird perception of what a "push" is.

@magua: I don't understand how you think mollie's behavior today is any different than her behavior any other day. Like someone else said (antihero?) it really just reads like you're trying to develop reasons to vote for a larger percentage of the group since you need with the cop claim.

Not in the mood to give scum lessons, here, but lolno. Were I scum, I'd be worried about being alone and looking town and whatnot, but one thing I would not be worried about would be having to build cases on people because loltownparanoia.

Mollie today was different because I couldn't see a scum motivation for not understanding Waffles' clearing of UT, eg, but I can totally understand a scum motivation for not wanting to claim flavor when there's a marked gulf between the flavor in eg Gamma's claim (and my own) vs what Eagle and Pie claimed. Pretty sure I've said literally these words.

But thanks for playing.

[Magua]

A Simple Math Problem has been prodded.

[Magua]

If only it was a mod hydra, that had other people who co....oh...

[Magua]

Hooray! Jordan scum means not having to feel bad about anything!

Except maybe voting mollie. Nope, that still felt good.

[Magua]

Writing a prod to ASMP was def. the high point of D4 for me.

[Magua]

Also just realized that I was completely correct on why there was no kill N3, so triple woop woop.

[Magua]

You are

Magua Being Lynched on Day 1 Repeatedly

and you are aligned with the

Town

I'm town! I'm town!

Guys, Magua is scum.

I'm NOT SCUM.

Ok lets just lynch him.

I'm TOWN.. Screw it, *self-votes*

...

I have a guilty result! Magua's guilty! Wait why is the mod looking at me funny...Thumbs UP means guilty, right?! Fuck it, lets lynch Magua anyways.

Huh he was a VT, ok.

Marry me.