The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Gammagooey]

Mm yeah I dont actually have anything I wanna say yet

I guess a fake read is fine

Vote:Cheery Dog

[Gammagooey]

currently being the champion of skimming

only really interesting things were ut's thing about reckbrock was slightly bad and i don't reaaally see why mollie can't be scum just being a little more emotional intentionally (i think cdb was who was calling her town?)

and reckbrock's claim is fine for the purposes of not dying today and also maybe not later either because they look a little town to me but i'm not gonna actually care about the future until i am suddenly in it.

[Gammagooey]

Anybody wanna lynch him d1 I feel like it'd be fun and also stop him before he does too much damage

also this is dumb and you should feel bad for saying it given that balto invitational was a game that existed and was generally depressing for people after they became dead

[Gammagooey]

hey gamma are you scum

http://www.indra.com/cgi-bin/spikes-8-ball

[Gammagooey]

Pie can be town

*agreement*

[Gammagooey]

Are you telling people different things, it came up as most likely to me.

[Gammagooey]

this vote is more interesting than what you just did ythan

Vote:CDB

look at all that interest. like godamn.

[Gammagooey]

yeah so im just gonna keep jumping around voting people that i don't recall having done townish things yet until something actually catches my attention since i don't feel like voting cdb again yet

Vote:Iecerint

[Gammagooey]

yeah so im just gonna keep jumping around voting

people that i don't recall having done townish things yet

Vote:Iecerint

Why of all people have you selected me?

reading is tech

[Gammagooey]

dooon't care enough yet pie

triforce's comment on the beloved princess to me just seems like trying to ask a 'trap' question to see if nuwen will respond the way she's expecting her to as scum without actually thinking about why nuwen would do it as town because if she had thought about that at all the answer would seem pretty obvious? if you think that's scummy then shrug and if you don't then also shrug.

[Gammagooey]

1. That does not answer my question in any way.

2. I have done townish things, so it makes even less sense to me.

Like, if someone was going to make a "this person needs some pressure! they're not in the game!" kind of vote, I can think of fewer than 4 weirder targets.

don't remember any
although i guess you did have that thing with singer that i skimmed over but it didn't seem like something that i would actually find town
i'll read it later though if it makes you feel better

[Gammagooey]

i mean i could

but there's a lot of people in this game and nobody's going to get lynched until page 30+ so i don't have to for a while

alternatively
=3

[Gammagooey]

not that i remember, most recent scumgame was hito's large thing after abarat

and to be fair i'll very very likely be trying hard by the end of the game day, i'm just not going to bother right now, especially not at work.

also yeah reading your posts is the one i was referring to

[Gammagooey]

iec i know dynasty warriors at least i was still in college so uh actually no on the 'being employed at other times' thing

balto invitational is fair to compare against for that but there were actually interesting things happening in that game at the time as opposed to here

[Gammagooey]

oh so i actually have read the game now

this is not the best vote for actually lynching immediately but I think it's better than iec at least and is also interesting

Vote:Eleven

also also

scumburned or butthurt or whatever.

The word you're looking for SHOULD clearly be buttscummed.

[Gammagooey]

o u faraday

[Gammagooey]

well ignoring the obvious lies it's true that i can't read you that well

so what else am i gonna with a minor scum read on you aside from poke at you and be annoying and see if you murder me for it
it's clearly the best plan

[Gammagooey]

don't see why this triforce isn't just normal ol' triforce

[Gammagooey]

Nuwen pretend that I just quoted my post again and say why the ythaneagle reaction isnt normal

Cdb do you have an opinion on eleven and/or lets saaay nuwen?

[Gammagooey]

im just gonna go back to doing this since he's actually my strongest scumread? got pretty much all i'm gonna get for opinions on eleven for a while and that was the big goal in voting him earlier

Vote: CDB

this i might actually give a reason for after i'm off work just so iec can be less frustrated and/or confused with me

[Gammagooey]

man this is actually pretty funny

the closest thing i can come to an explanation is that if i replace into a game i'm usually trying a lot harder from that start than otherwise but sometimes i play differently than other times because i feel like it and you guys get to be overly shocked about it for some reason

also i don't think i'd bus faraday if we were both scum because being scum with faraday would be awesome? or at least if i did i'd go harder for it and see if i could get lynched and then have him coast to victory afterwards or just both have a bunch of town credzzz for later

also also why is my cdb vote terrible? just leaving work now but he actually seems scummy this game whereas pretty much everyone else just seems like they exist and are playing the game with personalities that they have (except maybe mollie's weirdness)

[Gammagooey]

cdb explainage just 4 iecerint

im voting cdb because his early posts seemed like they were trying pretty hard to do something in the early early game when it didn't seem completely appropriate and just kind of felt a little off and his thing with being frustrated with iec about me was a little gut scummy

also

I dunno, I've seen "WIFOM Gamma" at least once or twice and this is what he's doing here, so I think he's pretty town (see: .

hahaaaaa
take that dude/ettes insinuating things about my play

[Gammagooey]

eh AD doesn't seem bad to me but he's not a town read either

so i'm pretty much just gonna watch other people have opinions on him and see if they or him do alignmenty things

[Gammagooey]

fate if you actually think tri is scum and want it lynched then focus on that

nobody is going to care about anything you say about reck until tomorrow and i think we get the picture in case you die

[Gammagooey]

ut i don't think you're going to be able to convince fate to not do this for a while

on the bright side this is much more fun to read than the mollie-waffles madness earlier

[Gammagooey]

either be more specific or wait til im off work in half an hour

[Gammagooey]

huh

cdb were you in balto invitational and if yes did you have trouble reading me there?

[Gammagooey]

i was dead on night 2 without claiming and no scum had flipped until that day so it's probably just the things i did in the game

and well duh face to face ain't forum mafia

[Gammagooey]

and you said you reread balto on friday? what did you reread in it?

[Gammagooey]

faraday speaks true facts

in that most recent post anyway

goin home ut ill say stuff at you in a bit

[Gammagooey]

i was dead on night 2 without claiming and no scum had flipped until that day so it's probably just the things i did in the game

Yeah, probably. I mean, I'll certainly let you know if I get a read on you either way here.

I did indeed (skim)read the whole game, just for a laugh. I really don't recall very much about the specifics of your game. I was surprised to check just now and see that I townread you so seemingly solidly. If you like I can try and reread you from there again but I'm not entirely sure what I would gain from it; presumably if something stuck out enough there I'll notice if something sticks out here eventually. I certainly don't have much on you either way at the moment.

It just seems weird to me that you'd throw me in the 'never gonna have a read' pile if you've played with me at all before

cheery dog sure
tri i disagree with but 3 heads IS a pain in the ass so that's reasonable at least
but i think i'm pretty readable like a pretty large amount of the time?

for ut

-
i still haven't read over the pirate/mollie cataclysm in much detail but mollie's play seems really off from what i expected given her face to face play and seems a lot more emotional than i think makes sense for her to be at the time. Like mollie's play is actually physically worrying to me whereas my other reads are more 'that feels a bit weird' or 'it makes sense for him/she/them/etc to do that as scum' i'm hesitant to vote them since i haven't actually gone over her posts in detail and i feel like if she were to get wagoned it would happen pretty fast and it'd be hard to get people to back off it if she did something town (or i read over something town in her posts but it seems unlikely given how her posts feel to me now) in the meantime

waffles exists and really the only thing that pinged me about them was them jumping on the 'gammas being weird' train after other people had starting pointing me out

nuwen hasn't been up to my expected standards of nuwen-play and i don't really trust fate's read on her to be correct right now (if it was like day 3 or something then i'd feel a lot better just going with his read) but it is still pretty early in the game

eagle is whatever at this point and i don't think they're particularly scummy or not scummy

farakitty is pretty much just a null read that i think most people will be a little bit too fast to write off as town because faraday's pretty good at mafia sometimes

actiondan doesn't seem particularly scummy to me but he hasn't done a lot so other people could be right about him being scum but im not going to care about him for a bit longer

and i think thats it for interesting opinions that i have. other people are obviously missing because i don't think i have anything interesting to say about their play that hasn't already been said by either me or someone else

[Gammagooey]

@waffles

On that note, Gamma, your CDB vote is terrible. Why are you being so weird this game?

[Gammagooey]

gamma, with your permission, I'd like to start a posse

you can be viceroy if I can be chancellor

seems good

[Gammagooey]

nuwen is just pretty damn good at the game a lot of the time and all i've seen was a big post about triforce that was partially based on a misconception with reck's claim

like it IS early so it's not a big thing but it's not up to my (admittedly high) expectations of her.

[Gammagooey]

GONNA BUILD THAT WALL UP TO THE SKY

GONNA BUILD THAT WALL UP TO THE SKY

SOME DAY THAT SCUM IS GONNA DIE



GONNA BUILD THAT CASE UNTIL ITS DONE
GONNA BUILD THAT CASE UNTIL ITS DONE

NOW YOUVE GOT NOWHERE TO RUN

SO BUILD THAT WALL AND MAKE IT STRONGERRR

WELL LYNCH YOU BEFORE TOO LONG

yessss i've got bastion as stuck in your head as it usually is in mine

eeeeeh but pie axxle's 276 looks like not FO' SHO' town but definitely town enough that I really don't want him to be the first lynch of the game

my hearts not totally into the vote but i can vote triforce and maybeprobably unvote again if it actually gets close to lynch without a bit longer to think about it because Fate is singing my jam

@ut- cheery dog seems not great but he's not scum because of his face. this time.

Vote:Triforce

[Gammagooey]

oh and fate

pretty good song if you reach enlightenment again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQFov79Prs

[Gammagooey]

so uh

is there a reason why we haven't lynched the claimed third party yet

because a survivor claim really takes all the risk out of the risk/reward dynamic of lynching a dude here and comes with the super amazing bonus of possibly being a scum fakeclaiming

[Gammagooey]

yeah fuuuuuuck letting third party claims stay alive because they claim to be nice and helpful and bring sugarplums to your house at night

you kill that shit because they do not care about helping you win and they have no reason not to lie their ass off about the other parts of their role to stay alive longer

plus the fact that if you think you're completely fucked as scum then doing something ridiculous like claiming 3rd party and hoping for the best is kind of fine

[Gammagooey]

like rhinox did the same thing in mafia reverberation approximately a billion years ago as scum and he wasn't even completely screwed, and probably would have even lived since his scum PR matched up well with a plausible 3rd party role except we could lynch multiple people a day in that game if everyone was around for a weird deadline clusterfuck

[Gammagooey]

like i guess actiondan can be scum tomorrow or something

but i'm pretty sure you guys have had the same dumb situations i've had where someone hasn't bothered playing the game all day while actually doing stuff in other ones and being useless and scummy the whole game and then woops they flip town anyway because sometimes people are just lazy uncaring fucks

and i'm not saying that's what'll happen if we lynch actiondan here but there is literally zero chance of that happening with a triforce lynch and honestly their claimed win condition doesn't even make as much sense as they have to have X or X% of people wearing green shirts and then they win and leave the game
which would be better than their currently claimed win condition but still need to die because trusting third party claims to actually be a)third party and b)are nice pleasant people who won't just pick up a gun and go on a killing spree on their spare time is a very poor decision.

[Gammagooey]

Nuwen can you vote someone please? Going on about theory and third party strategy is fine but I'm not actually going to care about it unless you actually try to apply it to a person in this game.

[Gammagooey]

This is exceedingly silly. A lynched survivor gets us sod-all information. It's even worse than lynching town in that respect, if we're just going to take all the intrigue out of it and policy-lynch a claimed third party.

okay i can tolerate an actiondan lynch but i want to say two things

a) unless there's actual role information that's 100% confirmed that a lynch would change, fuck information lynches. The 'information lynches' I remember seeing on this site are actually just optimistic hoping that the player is scum and then that their buddies will be easy to find because now everybody sees for sure that their scum. And maybe that works in normal games or games with newer players but with experienced players I just don't think information lynches actually lead to more likely scum lynches later.

b)ActionDan isn't even an information lynch. He hasn't done jackshit this game so the only information you'd get is just guessing on whether the various people who voted him at various times were bussing or not, and if he is scum godamn is it easy to have a convincing bus right now.

I'd really rather just lynch the 100% not town now and then lynch Action tomorrow after getting a claim and ignoring it until he's dead, and then if he claimed a result and was town then we actually have a piece of real information. If you can get Action to the point where I can hammer him/make Iec role-hammer him then I won't care anymore though.

[Gammagooey]

coward admittedly probably isn't the right word there

gullible seems better if people actually think the doc protection part of the claim isn't a pile of garbage

[Gammagooey]

im gonna disagree with the risk of continuing to leave a claimed not-town thing in the game for at least an extra day and potentially longer (and we'd probably have to use a lynch later in the game when those lynches give more information and are a lot more important) being worth some extra information on day 2 but i don't think i'm going to convince you on this so im just going to not go on about it anymore for a while.

[Gammagooey]

oh hey look i can make iec make the day end

bam

Vote:ActionDan

[Gammagooey]

i uh

would kind of rather do this than vote reck right now?

Vote:Nuwen

feel free to convince me otherwise if you're super confident about stuff but nuwen seems significantly sketchier than normal this game to me

[Gammagooey]

@Ut-i'm at least moderately not scum and nuwen going into the theory spiel and then not voting anyone at all feels pretty weird when the two wagon options was the survivor who she couldn't vote because theory and a now-flipped scum.

[Gammagooey]

also also

and then gamma ninjas me with a vote

COINCIDENCE?!

um
i feel that implying that i'm more scummy because i'm voting you while you were about to post about things is real dumb.
like if you want to say i'm scum who bussed actiondan immediately after saying that bussing actiondan was the easiest possible thing for scum to do then sure that's fine even though it assumes I'm Reaaaal cheeky because I mean assuming I'm that cheeky isn't completely implausible even though I don't personally think I would do that as scum

but that other shit is dumb

[Gammagooey]

and then gamma ninjas me with a vote

COINCIDENCE?!

actually yeah i'm just gonna repeat myself because i keep being minorly bewildered by it

this post is real stupid nuwen. me voting you has really nothing to do with your stated and probably future reasons for thinking i'm scum.

[Gammagooey]

ut i've kinda forgotten about anything that eagle did or didn't do over night phase so i'll read stuff after work about it and then have an opinion on it after that

[Gammagooey]

look at his posts today and tell me that's not from scum

their posts today don't look particularly scum?
thats a true thing that i typed

only thing i see is him being a jerk to you and then a post on mollie that seems fine and then his 1075 seems a bit overthought and I don't know what the 'chair thing' is but it's not a super awful post

[Gammagooey]

axxle does have a point about the first sentence, waiting for cdb to post about mollie before voting her is actually at least a little scummy but im still gonna wait til i actually read him to have an opinion worth voting on

[Gammagooey]

because him asking you about that and then thinking afterwards 'oh actually i should just vote mollie now' is a lot scummier than disagreeing with you and voting her in the same post

[Gammagooey]

^above post is @CDB

[Gammagooey]

because him asking you about that and then thinking afterwards 'oh actually i should just vote mollie now' is a lot scummier than disagreeing with you and voting her in the same post

In #1087, when you said 'Axxle', did you mean 'UT'?

no.

[Gammagooey]

Also seeing Gamma & Nuwen slapfight makes me sad because idk how to read either of them

but see this makes me just want to lynch you instead because it's literally the laziest thing you could possibly say about it while still acknowledging that it exists

[Gammagooey]

I still think day 1 townreads are probably all right, I'm less sure on Pie due to POE and he sorta of felt fadey as the day went on a bit but other than that I'm trying to POE it. Well I was also trying to step away from the game a bit since I'm angry at people suspecting me, since it's really fucking retarded (IN MY OPINION ) and I don't want to ruin any fun kittymo might be getting from the game.

don't get mad at mafia games

[Gammagooey]

Reckbrock can maybe die, i dunno

I want brock to come post so it isn't just reck being lazy that i'm trying to read

would also probably rather have nuwen dead but she might be town too and i still wanna see more from her so im pretty much just gonna not do shit for a little while longer

[Gammagooey]

oh and this can be for nuwen

nuwen if my plan was to vote you at the start of the day (which it wasn't because I was going to vote triforce though i did think about mentioning you in my opening post as another lynch i'd be fine with over night phase) i'd PROBABLY be actually trying to get you lynched instead of just watching for a while. and also that even if i were suddenly transformed into scum during night 1 i still probably would vote triforce instead of you except then tri would be dead and voting you would still be an actual coincidence and your implications are still not very close to any sort of reality that exists or could exist in this game.

like i may be focusing on this post too much but i'm fairly sure you can understand why i'm harping on it regardless of your alignment here

[Gammagooey]

minor point of clarification for ^

i mean trying with an actual case

because you know i'm perfectly capable of making them and just don't the vast majority of the time because it's very rarely worth the effort unless it's near LYLO or I'm very confident or I'm scum who just wants to look like I'm doing a lot of scumhunty things since I can't post a billion opinions on just whatever interests me at the time like I normally do

[Gammagooey]

"I think it's Nuwen."

"Why is it Nuwen?"

"The whole Gamma ninja'd thing really bugged the fuck out of me. I've seen her in f2f games latch onto something incredibly insignificant and go OH MY GOD HERE'S A REASON and blow it out of proportion and she's usually been scum."

more Grimm goodness because he's slightly tipsy and actually talking about the gaaaame!!

brock gets a point for being a cool guy who has a good point about nuwen

im going to try to say why i think nuwen's scum in a way that nuwen might say herself in a similar situation because it seems like a fun thing to do

Nuwen's play has an extraordinary single-minded focus on actiondan's wagon and the possibility/probability of a bus inside of it, allowing her to disregard people not on the wagon as people she needs to comment on and attempt to read as well allowing her to stay on a tangent with many of the players of the game instead of confronting their reads directly.

Furthermore, her reluctance to vote at all day 1 after unvoting the Triforce wagon followed by an immediate bus-hunt at the beginning of day 2 suggests that either she thought ActionDan had a moderate chance of being town but put no effort into slowing or stopping the wagon, or that she would have voted Waffles but decided not to based on (what I presume) to be knowledge of ActionDan's upcoming flip and the desire to both set up her hunt for a busser the next day as well as avoid being on a brand new alternate wagon to avoid scrutiny for it after the flip.

Yeah I'm pretty proud of that
you can ignore the first little paragraph if you actually want my reasons for why she's scum since it's more "this is nuwen's mindset if she's scum" but the second paragraph is pretty accurate as to how i feel about nuwen this game.

[Gammagooey]

so vote someone else instead of whining about it fate

i don't particularly want to lynch the gays right now and it doesn't seem like a lot of other people do

this is actually the whiniest i have ever seen you jesus

[Gammagooey]

Only his buddies would be so sensitive and swing onto that shit

how on earth do you come to this conclusion

[Gammagooey]

@nuwen-after 40 pages of WORDS the superlurker half the game already wants dead comes in and then makes some really not good posts. like. you don't need to be scum to want to end the day on a guy who has a pretty decent chance of being scum.

[Gammagooey]

town for a day 1 post that looked good

[Gammagooey]

I'm gonna disagree with you theoretically at least since if you think you're completely fucked as either alignment but a lot more as scum people start trying ridiculous things on the off-chance that someone might town-read them for it but it's still possible for one of fate/me/ut to be scum anyway so whatever

so given all those things you just said, is there a particular reason why you're not already voting me/fate/ut?

[Gammagooey]

^above post is @Nuwen

[Gammagooey]

I feel that reck would bus actiondan instead of asking for why he's scum

because reck likes bussing things

and also grimm's small contributions seem fairly town to me

[Gammagooey]

waffles i'll probably join you eventually but i want nuwen to say a few things first

also maybe it'll get fate even more irritated at me which would be a nice bonus

[Gammagooey]

the hell is wrong with his head

[Gammagooey]

no fate that's still faraday

they'll tell you it's not but

I know

[Gammagooey]

i posted actual things earlier today fate

don't have anything else useful to say until nuwen shows up again or something that isn't ythan and waffles both being probtown at each other happens

doo doot da doot doot doot

[Gammagooey]

serial killer

[Gammagooey]

Nuwennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn why arent you voting

[Gammagooey]

Nuwen can you elaborate on literally any of your reads

[Gammagooey]

fate you know it'd probably help you get someone lynched if you could get nuwen to vote anyone this game

as opposed to giving two lists of people who could be scum and then not making an actual stand on any of them
or actually elaborating on any of the 'behavioral reads' she vaguely mentioned on people

because i do think you can read nuwen decently well but if she hides all of her actual opinions behind unspecific lists it would probably make it a lot easier for her to hide what you would think to be a scummy opinion from you

[Gammagooey]

^yes she has posted after i've asked her both a)why she's not voting anyone and b)to elaborate on ANY of her reads at all

[Gammagooey]

also i should have posted this and other stuff when AP asked for flavor suggestions for the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__d2FMCtgi4

[Gammagooey]

UT I AM INVOKING MY RIGHTS AS VICEROY OF THE POSSE

Come vote for Nuwen until she at least she gets in here and shares a few reads on individual players because I think that it's possible she's town even though I think it's unlikely right now her hiding her opinions on all the individual players in the game is scummy as hell.

[Gammagooey]

hey Reck you know what's a better idea than whining at fate and friends

actually voting nuwen so she'll either get lynched or actually be forced to post something readable in this game

[Gammagooey]

yes but you're not as close to being lynched as she is yet.

[Gammagooey]

and really if she comes in after all this madness and ignores her previous shit with DEFINITELY A BUSSER ON THE WAGON and doesn't actually say shit about her previous reads to vote you she's gonna get real dead.

We're making this happen.

[Gammagooey]

He did that explicitly because I asked him to and because nuwen's being a lazy fuckin' pile this game

she has 5 more posts than ACTIONDAN, the lynched scum who lurked so hard yesterday he got wagoned for it, and doesn't have a single damn individual read since sometime day 1

[Gammagooey]

so i disagree with pretty much every read nuwen has but it's at least finally some actual words

two things about your read on me nuwen-
1)consistency is dumb and scum are more

likely

to try to be consistent in their reads than town even though town can too
2)I voted Iecerint literally because i felt like it, he was never worse than a very weak scum read, and I don't think it's a good idea to give a fuck about people on the wagon during day 1 given how much more likely every individual person on a wagon is to be town than scum that early (and also I just didn't think about them at all when I voted ActionDan, actiondan was just scummy so he was fine to murder)

[Gammagooey]

also while you're here nuwen can you please answer why you aren't voting anyone? like I don't see any of the people's behavior there notice-ably changing with a vote on them except Fate and I'd think that if you think scum are actively controlling wagons this game (since you think they power-bussed earlier) wouldn't it be bad to let a higher % of the active votes be coming from scum?

[Gammagooey]

@Nuwen-and to be fair to you I think you do this type of thinking with your read on me as both alignments- it's an okay argument but I just don't think the same way you would have in that situation. People pay attention to and weigh factors in lynches way differently than other people a lot of the time.

[Gammagooey]

still want nuwen dead mostly for just ignoring every attempt I've had at asking her to be readable unless she thought she might die for it

it looks like that might not happen so i guess if it doesn't i'll go over stuff later and vote maybe mollie or something. UT did seem pretty town to me day 1 but I guess I can reread him then too?

[Gammagooey]

gamma don't you dare betray the posse

son sometimes you gotta go through some diplomatic formalities to ensure an uninfiltrated posse

And frankly I severely doubt that I'd go farther than "he's still probably town even though slightly less so than I thought he was Day 1"

That metaphor may have been a little strained at the end but bear with me here

[Gammagooey]

faraday i see you typing words like you expect the people you direct them at to take them into reasonable consideration

i am truly sorry my friend

[Gammagooey]

didn't actually bother rereading anything yet, was too busy making fate & friends too drunk to post more in-game

gonna do this cause i'm tired of looking at votecounts and seeing like 3 wagons I think range from mediocre to bad

Vote:EagleKit

[Gammagooey]

@Gamma: want to explain that because its like wtf. You don't like the wagons okay, but

do you know your vote on us is just a singleton

and you aren't really doing much to push us. It's looks like a scum placing a safe vote, tbh.

yep
and you are kind of right about it being a safe vote
it's just very difficult for me to care about any individual wagon that's happening now and I'm kind of hoping that you can either get lynched or do alignment-based things because of votes on you since I think you've got a fairly average chance of being scum and nobody actually has a town read on you and if i'm reaaally lucky something can actually get done because of it instead of me trying real hard and then having nothing actually come out of it

[Gammagooey]

I feel like Waffles claiming Ythan's kill for wifom town cred would be really weird but it's technically possible but the "hider" breadcrumb seems real unlikely to come from a scum mindset unless one of them saw something similar recently coming from town

[Gammagooey]

put in the bare minimum effort into the game to reread ut and he's still town

i feel the need to mention that eagle is a person we can probably lynch without another 30 pages of words exploding out from every participating orifice of the game

[Gammagooey]

I think eagle's more likely to be scum than cheery but cheery's prooobably fine?

[Gammagooey]

speaking of nuwen shes gonna be mislynched real hard after Im dead huh

i mean she could just get shot instead and I still think she's a pretty decent lynch but yeah she's not gonna be living too long into this game it looks like

cheery can get shrugmurdered i guess

Vote:Cheery Dog

[Gammagooey]

^see you say that and it's like my brain just lights up with a big neon sign that has NUWEN on it instead

[Gammagooey]

half outs are shit

half claims are enormously shit but ONLY when they're forced to claim (or maybe sometimes when massclaiming but that's probably justifiable too sometimes)

mollie what does that last post mean

[Gammagooey]

@mollie- ythan giving more information about is role is a bad idea because it gives them more information to better pick night action choices and doesn't affect town's in any way UNLESS the options are whether or not to make him dead by lynch, which is not what is happening in this game day.

[quote='mollie']do not line up with town impetus[/quote]
what do you mean by town impetus
and why doesn't cheery line up with it

[Gammagooey]

because he's not town enough to survive the

Danger Zone

and because there aren't a tonnn of alternatives that can actually make people care enough/have enough agreeing people to get a lynch done without several more days of absolutely nothing happening first

[Gammagooey]

After that mollie ythan exchane I really want to vote mollie but not enough to kill our wagon if that makes sense

yes it does

So now that I seem to be on L-1 (+Iecerint), anybody actually want to make sense for why I'm in this position?

Otherwise I'll just have to quote Reck's whining that nobody has any reason.

but reck is way better at whining than you are
like he is diamond league whining-about-things here

instead of doing that you should give a quick reads list because i've forgotten most of your opinions on everyone except mollie and nuwen

[Gammagooey]

also you might want to claim soon if there's actually a threat of a hammer

or if you think someone would hammer you anyway from off-wagon but i'm too lazy to check to see if anyone would maybe do that and isn't already voting you

[Gammagooey]

i feel like it's in your best interest to trrrrry explaining those other reads

like if nobody likes your explanations then it's not like you're much worse off

[Gammagooey]

Unvote

for waffles i guess

make sure to actually get it done tonight though because i'm probably revoting sometime after midnight

[Gammagooey]

see there's this thing

in which I am drunk and want mollie dead but also think it's a real possibility that exists that cheery is scum instead

and i want to just vote mollie but also want to vote cheery and have him flip scum and celebrate that someone who i had no real read on whatsoever flipped scum

so i think im going to currently not vote and ask for advisement on the matter

yes. that is a good plan.

[Gammagooey]

son i advice posting things that aren't a pile of garbage

[Gammagooey]

advise even?

[Gammagooey]

Operation Righteous-Shrug engage

Vote: Pirate Mollie

[Gammagooey]

okay nuwen that is very helpful we will see you again when you make another post in two days

[Gammagooey]

see i disagree with that

similar to how you disagree with the mollie wagon and the cheery wagon

so no i'm pretty fine actually getting someone lynched who i think is scum thank you

[Gammagooey]

his early post about pie and considering a fakedayvig was slightly town and his posts to start off day 2 look real town (except for the cult stuff which is just silly null junk anyway)

[Gammagooey]

also if you have a reason for thinking mollie is town that does NOT use the word or a synonym for 'Ridiculous' then I'd be willing to hear it

[Gammagooey]

cool cool

that's L-1 because iecerint for anyone who's forgotten

[Gammagooey]

Wood people

...what?

i second this bewilderment

[Gammagooey]

like

we all know that there are many easily recognizable words and phrases you can use to describe the people in this game

why does it seem like people are inventing their own language this game instead

[Gammagooey]

sup magua

mollie's at L-1 because of Iecerint's role automatically hammering at what would otherwise be L-1, and has not claimed (and probably shouldn't unless someone threatens a hammer)

a gigantic chunk of the game is a clusterfuck of confusing arguments and nonsense so have fun?

[Gammagooey]

yeah not reading the game is actually the better choice here.

if mollie's scum she's scum because she's reacted in completely nonsensical ways to other people suspecting her and ignored requests from others to try to explain herself better or answer other people's questions about her play and posts
cheery is the other actual wagon and he's pretty much just a lurker. he is playing normally though so you can probably go through his posts pretty quickly if you want

for ut you'll have to ask someone else because all i see are people thinking he's scum because he's playing aggressively and voting a lot of people and that's probably not the only reason they have for it but it's the only one they've actually mentioned.

[Gammagooey]

mollie stop being mad and/or pretending to be mad at mafia games

and i did ask you this and you never answered me on it even if i did fail at quote tags before

do not line up with town impetus

what do you mean by town impetus
and why doesn't cheery line up with it

[Gammagooey]

"Free your mind", C'thulu said, his visage to the crowds
from the notions imbued by those who talk oh so loud

These buzzwords you speak are just far too many
reveal your true soul- your thoughts for a penny

Though I see who you wish to slit their own wrists
You must explain why they're evil- else justice just sits

You may have your scumtells and accusations for all
But it's the mindset that matters to make the scythe fall

So look deep into hearts, and then make your voice known
Else comes disaster- to the void you'll be thrown

[Gammagooey]

why did you abandon the eagle creatures wagon?

because it was never an actual wagon

have a compromise for now

Unvote

other stuff- i'm having you spell it out because you spelling it out is way way easier to read (your alignment) from than a sentence where you throw in a bunch of overly large words that generically say that cheery is scum because he's doing things that aren't town

ignoring your read on eagle for a second, what do you think cheery would do differently if he were town here (aside from just posting more)? do you think his reads would be substatially different and why?

[Gammagooey]

gamma's new avatar sucks

vote: EAGLEKIT

FEAR ME.

don't be hatin on Ether

eagle lynch and cheery lynch feel pretty similar to me, i skimmed over cheery again and think i'd prefer lynching him though? and mollie's response to me was fairly town so yeah

Vote: Cheery Dog

[Gammagooey]

Vote:Eaglekit

juuuust want to get someone I think is reasonably scummy lynched

[Gammagooey]

pretty sure i'd lynch any of eagle/cheery/mollie even though i think mollie's post with the potential of a player's scumgame thing looked town to me

i just want a thing to die

[Gammagooey]

^Seems fine enough to murder someone for come on everybody

more pew pew less...wepwep?
sure let's go with that

[Gammagooey]

I've been on literally every single wagon except UT's now but sure Cheery wagon is still fine. I can be superpositioned or something on all the wagons and it'll probably be close to how i'll actually vote at this point

[Gammagooey]

reminders: eagle's at L-1 because iecerint and there's 3 days til deadline

[Gammagooey]

mina didn't giggle when she was scum

GODFATHER GET

seems pretty right

[Gammagooey]

can we talk about how that flavour makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE as a cop too? like literally ANTI SENSE even compared to reckoner's claim

yeah a game in which someone fooled the entire town makes no sense in the context of an investigative role.

i have magically removed parts of your quote to make it true

[Gammagooey]

also just wanna point out that tunnelling a person for day 1 and then investigating them so you can tunnel the exact same amount and not claim until you're about to be lynched is a very silly thing that didn't happen.

[Gammagooey]

preparing the Posse Party

[Gammagooey]

[Gammagooey]

you're a little late son

they already dead

[Gammagooey]

woosh

[Gammagooey]

hmm.

Vote:Antihero

hmm?

[Gammagooey]

waffles should show up and say a thing before any nooses happen btw

[Gammagooey]

that's a risk we'll have to take for them tasty tasty role results

[Gammagooey]

don't particularly want to lynch ythan

actually i have a thing to say too now that waffles said who they did a thing with

i got a message from someone in the game that says that waffles and cheery are the same alignment
i don't know who sent it and also don't know if it's completely legit but it's better saying it than not so yeah

[Gammagooey]

not often anymore but i play magic if it matters for something

also assuming that antihero is going to get noose make sure they claim for the normal reasons plus after thinking about it they could theoretically be the person who sent me the message too?
although those cheery+waffles would be a weird choice for nuwen to go after so prooobably not

[Gammagooey]

yeah i'd read maybe like the first 15 pages and the end of days 1 and 2 and then all of today, there's a lot of garbage, especially day 1

am i getting 1v1'd on a guilty claim?

got pretty ninja'd but why would you think this

[Gammagooey]

that's actually pretty fair

no you just have an insta-wagon on you because your predecessor was scummier than most of the players that are still alive.

[Gammagooey]

there is no guilty or anything resembling a guilty on you anti

[Gammagooey]

>_>

<_<

Unvote

Vote:Axxle

[Gammagooey]

...I kinda want to lynch cheery dog. I realize if he flips scum we're next, but I've been sitting here thinking about gammas message. Noones said anything about getting a message night one. It can't be someone informed or there would be hints of it yesterday, right? It can't be investigative because they'd say waffles and cheery dog are both town if that was the case and who's heard of an investigator that can send messages. It can't be an ask the mod something because then still the send messages thing.

And it's such an odd pair to put together. But we had a real chance of dying last night, so our town flip could have cleared cheery dog. It's just bugging me and I'd us get lynched to clear the message that way than someone else erroneously get cleared if it's a scum message.

IDK but it doesn't feel right.

considering that i know the message is from another player if the person is scum and wanted people to think cheery was town for a day or two they would just say that cheery is town. if you think he's scum anyway and then ignore the message and if enough people actually agree with you then he can get lynched unless whoever sent the message claims, but lynching him based on just 'there is a scary message about him and me' is pretty silly.
(personally he seems very slightly town to me after the eagle flip but i wouldn't be super surprised if he was scum. still probably not going to vote him today though.)

relevant claims are
ythan-vig
waffles-joat
gamma-person who got a message
iec-autohammerer

there have been other claims but they're not relevant right now so find them yourself if you want.

[Gammagooey]

@UT-if he didn't have a decent answer for why he asked that then yes but he kind of did? and his other posts look a little town?
like it's not that he's SUPER town but maybe not worth quicklynching

Also I feel like this is about the point where the game actually gets hard and people have to reconsider reads so the dead people (faraday) don't just whine post-game about how we had a gigantic lead and then didn't really think about the next few lynches much

[Gammagooey]

she did get slightly better over day 2 and her playing weird and hoarding reads until pressured was bad but maybe she was just playing differently than i've seen her before?

like i know that's a pretty weak answer for how much i went after her that day but *shrug*

[Gammagooey]

also really i don't have a strong read on axxle either

i just kind of want interesting things to happen now that two easy scum lynches just happened so i can actually read people's new reads
(and yes eagle lynch had other wagons with it but it wound up basically being throwing votes at lurkers until a scum died at the end of the day)

[Gammagooey]

ELEVEN

;_;


anyway.

vote anti

gamma stop voting axxle. nuwen's posts were absolutely terribad so this is still fine.

finally you people are coming to your senses

okay nuwen's posts were generally awful

but i'm fairly worried that fate was actually reading her correctly because anti's posts look like not amazing yet because he hasn't actually had any opinions yet but NOT horrifically bad?
like sure maybe i was just right about nuwen earlier and anti is just good at faking towntells

but what scum when wondering about their predecessor's claim ASKS if they counterclaimed something in-thread??
Like if he replaces in as scum and lets say doesn't look at his quicktopic AT ALL or his role PM/probable fakeclaim that exists
WHY would he assume he counterclaimed something and ask about it instead of just isoing nuwen (who certainly didn't have a ton to go through)

I really don't actually think that he had a mindset that ridiculous as scum
like i was not sure about this at all earlier today but- try to actually think about the scum mindsets that you have as scum and ask if that would make any sense at all

because I don't think I'm being weird about it

I really feel like that isn't actually a scum mindset right now.

[Gammagooey]

like actually explain how that mindset as scum makes sense to you and if it's actually decent i'll go back to voting antihero

[Gammagooey]

Mollie they're right. If UT is scum then Waffles must be scum. Therefor etc.

to be kind of sort of fair if there's a godfather then weak neighborize + that could mean that ut was scum with mollie not but i really don't think that's the case because ut has been pretty town in his posts this game (despite having a pretty bad vote history imo)

[Gammagooey]

^waffles not mollie, sorry

[Gammagooey]

alllso i really do want to poke people into giving reads after the eagle lynch has happened

@Waffles- Do you have any opinions on The Gays and Pie?

[Gammagooey]

reading over some more stuff, CDB pushed on eaglekit a little too so that plus his pretty damn good push on ActionDan means he's super likely town (which people have already said but it seems like it might bear repeating)

[Gammagooey]

^he ain't

[Gammagooey]

the way it's written suggests that they made the message theirself but i'll check with the mod just in case it's confirmed

[Gammagooey]

yeah the message isn't mod-confirmed

i'm gonna sort of steal magua's thing for my reads

the two people who i think make the most sense as scum are axxle and pie mostly just based on having varying degrees of town reads on everyone else, The Gays are a bit behind those two, mollie I have a slight town read on but am really afraid of what the lack of comprehension from her means and also of her being one of the last 3-4 people in the game

so
Axxle+Pie-->The Gays--->kind of mollie--------->everyone else

[Gammagooey]

dear reck

6 scum and a survivor in a 19 player setup is

real

dumb

like possibly nearly controlling the lynch on day 2 dumb

4 makes the most sense, 5 i think would only be possible if iec was scum and waffles and ythan are both town to have vig shots and a basically non-voting scum balance it out and even then still doesn't seem likely to me, just possible.

[Gammagooey]

her posts and tone look town so i'm just ignoring her for today at least i think

like maybe mollie's just really bad at word problems? i feel like we should maybe lynch her before the end of the game just because it does seem not nearly as hard as she's making it out to be but she doesn't look scum to me aside from that

TL:DR;- fuck if i know son

[Gammagooey]

would bet small amounts of money on Arrogance being one of the last two scum after how fucked pie got during it
beer pong would make the most sense as the last imo

and the 5 mislynches only ever goes down if a vig hits correctly- around 4-6 mislynches for scum to win and 4 correct lynches+*dealing with a survivor* for town to win seems pretty fine, especially given that town are basically down two more votes than normal the entire game because of the survivor+iec (unless he's scum in which case 5 is fine too i guess)

[Gammagooey]

you're completely ignoring the survivor and the autohammerer that makes lylo not actually lylo and that vig shots are not likely to hit scum at all

but actually this is dumb because who cares unless you think iec or someone else is scum/not scum because of it

reck explain your read on axxle for me

[Gammagooey]

Reasons:
#1) He fits in the category of people who never voted for scum.
#2) Gamma got a message trying to tie Cheery Dog's alignment to Waffles. This is likely FROM SCUM trying to nail a townie to the floor with a buddy lynch.
#3) Look at his face.

#2 probably makes very slightly more sense to you than it does to me since you think there's 3 scum left instead of 2 but are you aware that you pushing a lynch based on him being in a specific category of people and role speculation seems pretty bad?

[Gammagooey]

and yeah you can call it not role speculation since we know something exists but whether it's town or scum is role speculation so deal with it

[Gammagooey]

i guess fine

Vote: The Gays (YNGO)

[Gammagooey]

man i feel like i should care more about this thing since someone bothered sending it to me but i really don't

also you missed my point, them words are nice and all but i care about a thousand times more about your read on cheery for only the actual things he's done in the game than lolmessages. if it was part of a case that included something else on things he's actually done it'd be fine but you didn't so it's not.

[Gammagooey]

here let me explain like this

these are role related things that i care about

confirmed town
confirmed town barring very small % circumstances (godfathers, etc.)
confirmed scum
confirmed scum barring very small % circumstances (tracker guilties or something i guess)

these are role related things that i don't care about

everything else
still everything else
yeah everything else can get fucked

[Gammagooey]

reck do you have any reason for voting cheery dog that is explainable with the individual actual readable posts he has made in this game that can be attributed to him and only him

[Gammagooey]

personally i feel like they're more mediocre than shit

is there a particular reason why they are shit and/or worse than my push on mollie yesterday?

[Gammagooey]

if you have to ask the answer's almost always no

[Gammagooey]

pretty much don't have anything new to say until antihero and pie actually post reads so this is just a prod-dodge

[Gammagooey]

still just want to lynch one of axxle/pie/The Gays

I think I prefer lynching the gays out of the three mostly because gut on reck's recentish posts and still think fate+cheery's stuff from earlier days was relatively fine compared to those 3, and am probably not going to switch over to either unless someone goes into a lot of detail on their read on them with some pretty damn good reasoning (and also anti's posts from earlier today look town to me so shrug)

probably not going to bother trying to compromise with a lynch until everyone actually bothers voting someone at least. stances that come with enough effort behind them to actually commit a vote to are in fact pretty cool.

[Gammagooey]

still been calling Anti's slot scum for a while now, so your implied theory of me just using wagon info because he's already under suspicion is kind of invalid. shrug.

I don't recall you ever saying why Anti's slot is scum. In fact, I don't recall anyone saying why Nuwen/Anti are scum.
[/quote]
then you haven't actually read a good chunk of my posts day 2 (which honestly i wouldn't blame you for missing over pretty big chunks of that day but still)

also i still don't care about claim things because scum probably have fakeclaims and you're pretty right about me not giving a fuck about self meta

also this is a bit hypocritical of me because i too am currently being a lazy shitbag but it

would

help if you went into which posts in particular of pie's you don't like and specifically why

[Gammagooey]

damnit bad at quotes. fixed version-

I don't recall you ever saying why Anti's slot is scum. In fact, I don't recall anyone saying why Nuwen/Anti are scum.

then you haven't actually read a good chunk of my posts day 2 (which honestly i wouldn't blame you for missing over pretty big chunks of that day but still)

also i still don't care about claim things because scum probably have fakeclaims and you're pretty right about me not giving a fuck about self meta

also this is a bit hypocritical of me because i too am currently being a lazy shitbag but it

would

help if you went into which posts in particular of pie's you don't like and specifically why

[Gammagooey]

^yeah i know you explained that one

are there any others or is it just that

[Gammagooey]

oh hey an actual wagon on someone i want dead

Vote: InflatablePie

L miiinus 2 (including iec)

[Gammagooey]

nope, one more vote is fine, second vote will murder him (im the 4th, its 7 to kill normally but 6 with iec)

[Gammagooey]

so did i miss whatever event eleven is referring to

ninja'd by reck saying exactly the same thing

[Gammagooey]

also waiting til midnight seems fine in case he's town

[Gammagooey]

wait did faraday just keep saying ELEVEN in some game when he was really drunk one time

i feel like that may have been a thing that happened

in which case the role is fine although a very silly red herring

the breadcrumbs themselves seem pretty pointless and not even super unambiguous from normal stuff he'd say though?

yeah pie dying seems pretty fine

[Gammagooey]

hi everybodddddy

so i'm just gonna claim cause i have interesting bullshit and my message yesterday was complete horseshit in the form of a breadcrumb.

i'm confusion over cop results, a cop who gets either thumbs up or thumbs down results but don't know which one is town and which is scum

and i have thumbs up on waffles and cheery and axxle so they're all town barring godfather horseshit.

also i don't actually think we should massclaim, but people should claim if they actually have useful results.

[Gammagooey]

i think i might want to vote ythan?

but literally everyone looks town at this point and i have to get ready for work so im not gonna deal with it for a bit.

[Gammagooey]

actually i think this is fine and probably better

Vote: Jordan

[Gammagooey]

i feel like we might just win though? game's already nearly won, and fate did go off about a lot of things but i looked back and it didn't different from his normal FATEPOSTING which he can clearly do as scum, plus right when i started the eagle 'wagon' (it was just me and pie and then it died and came back later) he basically made the cheery wagon out of nowhere and specifically bugged me to come join it

also if there's a full cop+doctor+bodyguard+only a non-consecutive roleblocker for scum then i would really think the last scum is a godfather? so if we don't win i'd actually rather the doc just stick between me+waffles+UT since ut's inno is godfather-proof and waffles being a godfather neighborizor seems like something that didn't happen.

[Gammagooey]

eh. reread some more fate and i see what reck's talking about with enlightenment but his play aside from that seems real bad. and literally nobody else looks like scum unless there's a godfather. i dunno.

if someone has other opinions then i'd like to hear them before night.

[Gammagooey]

it would mean eagle and pie bussed pretty hard day 2 but pie already tried bussing eagle a decent amount that day so it's not the MOST improbable thing

mollie dying in the next few days is something i would support

[Gammagooey]

waffles day 1 i just really didn't want to actually go through their iso and actually try to form a read on that
cheery i was trying to dodge waffles investigate + the shot i thought ythan had
axxle i did have on pretty much my only 'list' of suspicions i made that day because i thought him and pie made the most sense as scum

and reck i try to investigate people that would actually be helpful as conf. town. given how much mollie has missed this game (waffles claim and investigation in particular) do you REALLY want her to be the deciding vote in lylo if it comes to that? because that's what conf. towns do.

also cdb was pretty town with his posts against actiondan day 1.

[Gammagooey]

dear reck

please note above post by mollie

your friend,
gamma

[Gammagooey]

@mollie- because my role pm said so.

i'm confusion over cop results, a cop who gets either thumbs up or thumbs down results but don't know which one is town and which is scum

[Gammagooey]

@reck-stop making me act like fate please

and reck i try to investigate people that would actually be helpful as conf. town. given how much mollie has missed this game (waffles claim and investigation in particular) do you REALLY want her to be the deciding vote in lylo if it comes to that? because that's what conf. towns do.

and reck i try to investigate people that would actually be helpful as conf. town. given how much mollie has missed this game (waffles claim and investigation in particular) do you REALLY want her to be the deciding vote in lylo if it comes to that? because that's what conf. towns do.

and reck i try to investigate people that would actually be helpful as conf. town. given how much mollie has missed this game (waffles claim and investigation in particular) do you REALLY want her to be the deciding vote in lylo if it comes to that? because that's what conf. towns do.

and reck i try to investigate people that would actually be helpful as conf. town. given how much mollie has missed this game (waffles claim and investigation in particular) do you REALLY want her to be the deciding vote in lylo if it comes to that? because that's what conf. towns do.

and reck i try to investigate people that would actually be helpful as conf. town. given how much mollie has missed this game (waffles claim and investigation in particular) do you REALLY want her to be the deciding vote in lylo if it comes to that? because that's what conf. towns do.

and reck i try to investigate people that would actually be helpful as conf. town. given how much mollie has missed this game (waffles claim and investigation in particular) do you REALLY want her to be the deciding vote in lylo if it comes to that? because that's what conf. towns do.

[Gammagooey]

pirate mollie i just claimed to be a power role with an innocent on cheery dog.

[Gammagooey]

Vote:pirate mollie

[Gammagooey]

look mollie i like you as a person and all

but you're missing or ignoring a whole lot of posts and information for the entire game and it's actually maddening to deal with

[Gammagooey]

Dunno if we'll hit lylo or not, that was a response to reck on why I didnt investigate you and have no plans to do so (which he immediately forgot about and got mad at me for mentioning your post that reinforced that point)

[Gammagooey]

Im just gonna unvote and reread some more and then probably make a vote that seema ridiculous because every vote I can make seems like its on town

unvote

[Gammagooey]

im also against massclaiming. i feel that the people in this game are generally pretty competent and think that the reveal of any additional PRs to scum will outweigh any benefit to figuring out the setup by massclaiming. if an individual has info that they think is useful then i'm fairly sure that they'll come forward and actually say it without being forced into it.

we do need to get a claim from today's lynch but bridges and crossing them later and etc.

[Gammagooey]

eeeeeeeeeh i guess we can probably make jordan claim and it'll be fine

mollie can you treat my innocents as actual innocents for like

a single day

you can go back to thinking they're all godfathers tomorrow

but for today let's not fuck with them

[Gammagooey]

yeah sure fine make jordan claim

if he doesn't ill hop on the wagon to make him

[Gammagooey]

also don't directly quote your role pm because modkills are bad in case that wasnt obvious

[Gammagooey]

Come and plaaaaaaaaaaay jorrrrrrrrrrrrdan

[Gammagooey]

you realize we'd still be waiting on jordan to claim since he hasn't been here the entire game day

what are people's reads on iec for non-role junk?

[Gammagooey]

oh may have missed that jordan's visited the site even though he hasn't made any posts on-site since day started

weeee

Vote:~Jordan

[Gammagooey]

also magua she did actually at least partially answer that already? it was in a lot of other words though

it was cold and what could possibly go wrong or something is my flavour. there are no seatbelts in the back of a truck

[Gammagooey]

reck read my posts better