The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

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VOTE: Pie

hi will


axxle's vote is pretty bad, means he's town.

vote Triforce

Someone find me an avatar.

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^ I can dig that vote for now

VOTE: ut

P edit, Eleven's post; on phone.

Pedit UNVOTE: - figured ut could have been condescending, wasn't sure tbh. so nvm

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actually home now.

Iec don't be that guy that votes Axxle because he's being Axxle.

also you're gonna have to fight half of YNGO for hammering rights.

Also fuck you, AngryPidgeon, you know red is scum.

Ooh. Explain the context behind this quote?

Traditionally when we play face to face mafia, red cards are town and black cards are scum. But whenever AngryPidgeon would moderate a game, he would make red the scum cards and black the town cards just to fuck with people.

Then I got my role PM this game and immediately assumed we were scum because it was red, then I read the whole thing, and realized the PMs were just AngryPidgeon fucking with people just like he does in the other games.

Reck this whole calm explanation playstyle freaks me out

this whole debate/argument between Waffles (Mina hydra? too lazy to check) and Grimmreck is box-on-head retarded.

also trying to read posts in everyone's actual voices is proving especially hard with mollie, just going to throw that out there.

unvote, vote UT

let's lynch UT for calling out reck as an SK and not scum!

town

explain

explain.

@CDB

: w/r/t voting UT over Waffles (124), is it moreso because of UT being scummy or your townread on Waffles (126)?

I actually kind of had a similar thought to Cheery in 145 w/r/t Eleven's avatar, but it's really dumb. so rather than explain it let's just call 11 town for now.

p-edit: @iec: oh, that wasn't a playstyle thing. Well then.

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hey UT. mind explaining why you asked mollie to explain her townread on Eleven?

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VOTE: triforce

parking it back here for now, pending.

hey gamma are you scum

she was asking why fara decided to use the 11 of H instead of the avvie that danny supplied and no I don't get why she would ask that question if she was genuinely trying to figure out the 11people's alignment. it is a weird angle that only makes sense if you knew their alignment to begin with

not necessarily

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Looking at the playerlist makes me realize I am the weakest player in this game, hands down.

Also, I can't read anything Fate says anymore without hearing it from his voice. He quite literally posts how he talks.

a) lol
b) yup

Mmmm. I'm not sure how many votes are on us or are about to be on us so I'm gonna go ahead and claim because Iecerint's auto-hammer thing terrifies me.

We are

Magua Repeatedly Getting Lynched On Day 1 Over and Over Again

, and we're a Day 1 Hated Beloved Princess. For the first day only, it takes one less to lynch us than normal, and if we are lynched Day 1, D2 gets skipped.

Basically what I'm saying is don't fuck with us until D2 or later if you really want to go down that route.

I think I named it right, the mods didn't send the role PM to our hydra account (?) so I can't check 4right now

uh...huh. the bad part of me wants to indulge the paranoid "magua acquires lynch-rage, turns into SK" theory. but yeah, this is probs townreck.

Why do you think UT is scum, Reck?

hi Nuwen, what'cha doin.

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hey gamma are you scum

http://www.indra.com/cgi-bin/spikes-8-ball

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Pie's a tricksy little hobbit but I dont' wanna lynch it yet

hobbit?

pedit: I don't feel like thinking

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see because if I think about it for two seconds, you get this:

- eleven votes you for calling reck SK > scum
- mollie says they're town
- you ask her to explain, implying "how is that town?", implying you have a scumread
- you then ask kitty if she's tunneling + refusing to participate, which IIRC she did as town a lot (although I don't remember a lot of her f2f games except the ones where she was scum and had nervous-tics)

so the implications I'm seeing contradict each other.

and you're probably gonna say I'm wrong and this is a waste of my time, so yeah, it's probably better that I don't think.

pedit: ok
pedit2: ok

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ok, I get that now. see if you would have just explained that from the get-go we wouldn't have had that little kerfuffle

I'm gonna go be useless somewhere else for a while

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actually wait

ohhhhh ho ho ho way to be a condescending dick

hey pie. mind thinking about it for two seconds?
+
so can you PLEASE just try thinking about it for for a hot second instead of standing up and saying "I have no intention of playing in this game"

js

pedit:

@Pie so basically you thought it was weird UT would have a scum read on someone because you read their meta as town? what the what?

no. I thought he was implying he has a scumread on Eleven since he asked mollie to explain her townread on them. He then posted later addressing Eleven and when he said something like "hey Kitty are you going to tunnel and be useless", when that's her town meta from what I remember -

ok yeah in hindsight that was a little dumb of me to assume he'd have the same townmeta read on her.

k so, being useless elsewhere etc

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vote cdb

- I can sheep this since he didn't answer me.

@mollie - we could have a pow-wow if that doesn't involve the Waffles thingy because that's too much reading for me and all of that thing seems dumb

I forgot Ythan was in this game, also when the fuck did Poro almost get the cops called on him? what?

not reading page 13.

I feel like there was something else I was going to comment on but I forgot (didn't want to rush a phonepost at work again) so if anyone addressed anything to me pls restate

also I'm going to be pretty much semi-V/LA on Wed+Thurs due to pre-birfday and birfday celebrations, if anyone cares.

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oh right

nuwen could you be more... what's the word

useful

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unvote

yeah so im just gonna keep jumping around voting people that i don't recall having done townish things yet until something actually catches my attention since i don't feel like voting cdb again yet

Vote:Iecerint

no

bad gamma

p-edit: actually I missed that quote Nuwen. that sentence seems kind of 'off' too. not just the content, but the tone/phrasing. that may just be me though, the 'why u no lynch BPrincess claim' thing is still bad

soooooo back here again

vote Triforce

p.s. - yay Nuwen can be town now (b' ')b

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so I don't quite know why people think CDB is scum? I mean I didn't really have a read on him for a while (there was one

small

thing that I caught that might've been scummy but other than that, nothing) but his posts the past day or twoish haven't struck me as scummy so unless I'm missing something he seems like some sort of... compromise wagon? is that the right phrase? I mean I may disagree with him (e.g. wagoning Nuwen 488) but nothing's jumped out at me that makes me want to lynch it.

I could go and see who's been pushing his lynch all lazy-like since it's probably more likely there's scum doing

that

than him being scum, but I can't be assed to right now because DRINKING so I'll believe and sheep whoever wants to do the hard work <3

but in the meantime Triforce vote is fine. I could maaaaybe vote Axxle or something because he's been pretty useless the past few pages but I feel like I've voted him for being useless and he's flipped town a bunch

plus

I already yelled at someone earlier for doing that so I dunno. ythan should shoot him if he has another shot IMO.

Also Gamma is givin me the willie nillies not because he's scummy but because he's being useful which is anti gamma meta. like it's not town or scum it's just not gamma

I dunno, I've seen "WIFOM Gamma" at least once or twice and this is what he's doing here, so I think he's pretty town (see: .

wish I could care more about this game but I'm just super lazy.

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I meant to put an example after the Gamma thing but then I forgot and now I'm lazy.

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hey Pie

you know whose scumread on me is all kinds of shitty

ActionDan

/iso

eh I can kinda see where he's coming from to be fair


these one-on-one arguments (mollie/waffles earlier, mollie/eagles, reck/fate, reck/UT...) are all too tiring to try and read.

drugs!Fate soothes my apathy though


@YNGO - I both do and don't want Axxle lynched

on one hand he might be town question mark?

on the other hand he's still being useless despite having it pointed out he's being useless

shrug, fuck it. I'll be

that guy

birthday powers activate; unvote | vote: Axxle

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DON'T CARE STEALING RECK'S BIRTHDAY POWERS BULLSHIT

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I mean I

can

force-lynch you if you want axxle

also danke

pedit: "you people"

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"and pie"

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fiiiine

I'll go back

unvote vote Triforce

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I think, in general, people have a very hard time distinguishing behind "scummy" and "not super town". If something is scummy, it means there's inherent scum motivation/anti-town motivation behind what they're doing. I fail to see where anything I've done in this game specifically has inherent anti-town motivation.

My "throw my hands up and say fuck it" mentality that has plagued my town games recently have noticeably only been with town teams who refuse to engage in a dialogue about things. I can't remember the last time I had a case presented against me as town. Most of those games, when I ask for cases/points for me to debate, someone (*cough*FATE*cough*) starts screaming about how asking for points/cases to defend myself against is scum motivated and I should be lynched immediately. You'll notice, out of everyone who has passively or actively attacked me this game, literally only one of them has tried to present any valid reasons against me. That person was Axxle, and his one reason he cited ended up falling to shit when I quoted a post I had already made to provide context. He even unvoted me afterwards.

My "throw my hands up and say fuck it" mentality that has plagued my town games recently have noticeably only been with town teams who refuse to engage in a dialogue about things. I can't remember the last time I had a case presented against me as town. Most of those games, when I ask for cases/points for me to debate, someone (*cough*FATE*cough*) starts screaming about how asking for points/cases to defend myself against is scum motivated and I should be lynched immediately.

hey Reck do you remember in Shadow and Light when I kept asking what the cases were on me and people just kept saying I was scum without saying why? I mean you died kinda early on so I dunno if you were paying attention at that point, but anyway, this seems to be a common occurrence and it's not just you

also I was scum that game so there's that too.

anywhooser, who among the list of people you mentioned in 793 is more likely to be scum? I have about 3.5 townreads in that pile fwiw.

pedit: ily2 poro

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I'm of the opinion that we should lynch Triforce because this is a 40-page D1. them being third-party (or scum, although I don't see why they would claim something that'll be lynched eventually as scum...) is a bonus

have other thoughts but I need t leave for work, working my 2nd of three double-shifts. I'll be more useful come Tues/Wed

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IIRC Nuwen and some other people kind of ignored the ActionDan wagon for no reason and kind of pushed other things. I think this is the way to lynch today.

I will review D1 sometime and find these people.

I pretty much ignored it tbh

and I still think Triforce was the correct lynch but

I guess

I won't complain

AD wagon:

ChannelDelibird, Eleven, Sir Waffles Wafflington, Fate, Porochaz, Untrod Tripod, Ythan, ActionDan, Gammagooey, Iecerint

CDB wagon:

Untrod Tripod, Fate, Action Dan
*Ythan-shot*
Ythan, InflatablePie

Triforce (for completeness' sake):

Nuwen, Untrod Tripod, Fate, Gammagooey, InflatablePie, Axxle
Gammagooey, InflatablePie, Axxle, Ythan, ActionDan

vote: UT

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GayAlien wagon seems pretty bad and I'm still not quite sure why people are considering them. same with whoever else said Gamma could be scum. really not seeing it.

mollie: 1202 is terrible. there's no way in hell CDB's scum with AD from what I remember of him yesterday - he kept pushing onto AD from the beginning of day (which I mostly ignored iirc).

lemme see here:
Town - Ythan, Waffles, Iecerint, GayAliens, CDB, Gamma, Cheery Dog
??? - Mollie, Axxle, Eleven, Nuwen, eaglekit
Scum - UT or Fate

after looking at the wagons yesterday, UT and Fate are mostly interchangeable from VCA alone; it's one or the other but I don't think they can be scum together. fairly confident about my townpile; the first four are due to claims (Iec's role isn't necessarily protown but the way he's been handling it seems townie, same with YNGO's d1 claim). CDB town because interactions w/ AD, Gamma town because WIFOM-snarky-Gamma is town, and Cheery can be town because ~reasons~ I don't remember.

leaning slightly toward town on mollie and Axxle, the former because I can't see scum pushing a lynch on CDB after yesterday, the latter mostly on gut. but I'm not reading through mollie's waffle-convo from d1 and iirc that's most of her posting, and axxle's being useless mostly (keep going back and forth on him too...) so I could be wrong on them. the other three I really dunno, I can't read them for shit.

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I just have such a hard time believe that scum Nuwen wouldn't bus the absolute shit out of Dan.

counterpoint: Dan seemed pretty apathetic what with the lurking and the selfhammer rage and etc., so it's quite possible that would affect scumNuwen's attitude/play.

if you just don't want to bus her, just say so. we'll understand.

(I mean I'm honestly still unsure on Nuwen but I'm assuming you're scum and needed something clever to say at the end of this post and I guess if I had to pick a buddy of yours than this interaction would help fuel that theory so yeah )

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ebwop: selfhammer -> selfvote

same thing

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why the fuck are there ten more pages in one day

do you people have lives

(catching up now)

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Pie, your VCA seems to be the crown jewel of your case. You posted some of the votes from yesterday and then vote, and then posted a bunch of reads as if they followed. They didn't follow. Talk us through it.

Spoiler:

IIRC Nuwen and some other people kind of ignored the ActionDan wagon for no reason and kind of pushed other things. I think this is the way to lynch today.

I will review D1 sometime and find these people.

I pretty much ignored it tbh

and I still think Triforce was the correct lynch but

I guess

I won't complain

AD wagon:

ChannelDelibird, Eleven, Sir Waffles Wafflington, Fate, Porochaz, Untrod Tripod, Ythan, ActionDan, Gammagooey, Iecerint

CDB wagon:

Untrod Tripod, Fate, Action Dan
*Ythan-shot*
Ythan, InflatablePie

Triforce (for completeness' sake):

Nuwen, Untrod Tripod, Fate, Gammagooey, InflatablePie, Axxle
Gammagooey, InflatablePie, Axxle, Ythan, ActionDan

vote: UT

lemme see here:
Town - Ythan, Waffles, Iecerint, GayAliens, CDB, Gamma, Cheery Dog
??? - Mollie, Axxle, Eleven, Nuwen, eaglekit
Scum - UT or Fate

after looking at the wagons yesterday, UT and Fate are mostly interchangeable from VCA alone; it's one or the other but I don't think they can be scum together. fairly confident about my townpile; the first four are due to claims (Iec's role isn't necessarily protown but the way he's been handling it seems townie, same with YNGO's d1 claim). CDB town because interactions w/ AD, Gamma town because WIFOM-snarky-Gamma is town, and Cheery can be town because ~reasons~ I don't remember.

Also it's funny that Reck is so desperate to be on anyone's townlist that he sidled on up to this mess and tried to buddy it.

a) reck actually agreeing with my reads is... surprising, yes.
b) I don't get how the two 'don't follow'. VCA was the prime reason for me voting you. Then I thought about my reads as a whole later on.

But, going back to the AD wagon, for example, you/11/Fate are my non-townreads. You and Fate are at prime bussing spots on the wagon (hence 'interchangeable') and 11 is early on (if I were to assume all three of you were scum or something, an early bus would fit there). There's so many of my for-sure-townreads on that wagon btw, so the PoE still confirms there's scum there. Noticed you and Fate were also both on the CDB + Triforce wagons very close together. Which helps explain why I don't think both of you are scum together, that should be simple enough for me not to explain.

I didn't bother re-analyzing my other town + null reads with the other two non-AD wagons because I don't care.

HELLO

IS THERE ANYONE SANE OUT THERE

ACTIONDAN BUSSED ACDIONDAN, come on guys. His team bussed him as well. Not just 1 person - TEAM. That lynch occurred very rapidly and easily, and town players like myself and pirate Mollie weren't even voting for it.

hmm...

Pie is scum, Eaglekit is scum, pirate mollie is very much town, I was correct about Triforce, faraday gets to enjoy Pump It Up status while we discuss who bussed because that lynch happened, was easy, and me/another town read didn't even need to help the wagon to fruition.

Gamma, Fate, Waffles are my bus picks based on control+F early sentiments about ActionDan vs. how they voted. Gamma is probably the top pick because he actually said stuff like "ActionDan tomorrow" and was proposing alternatives right up until his psuedo-hammer was cast.

so you think eagle and I are scum despite neither of us being on the AD wagon?

maybe you didn't actually mean the entire -

I am telling you 100% that ActionDan's wagon contained his own cannibalistic scum team

oh ok

...

hey gamma what's your read on pie?

so I feel like you've commented on me earlier but hadn't given a read on me and so now this sticks out

so what

is

your guys' read on me anyhow

I'm curious as to why you asked gamma but I'm not sure if I care about the answer

I think the speed at which Dan collected terminal votes means his team went FUCK IT BUS HIM

I don't think ActionDan would have self-voted IF HIS BUDDIES WERE OFF THE WAGON AND NON PARTICIPATORY, OR NOT POISED TO BUS HIM

again, so um... I guess it's multiball or there's like ten scum


~~catfight~~


starting page 56 now

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I killed Triforce.

no, I KILLED TRIFORCE

so I don't see the reason for scum-Ythan to counterclaim the Tri-shot or for scum-Waffles to randomly claim they shot Tri. Soooooooo... like I guess if I had to pick Ythan's more likely scum (because AD flipped scum-JOAT) but I dunno how to evaluate JOAT + scum JOAT + day+night-vig + Iec's claim and YNGO's claim and etc., plus again I don't see why Ythan would CC the shot...

they're probably both town.

so rather than distract myself by deconstructing my claim-based towreads and sending myself into a spiral of tunnel-y WIFOM-based badness, I am just going to ignore this. ok? ok.

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oh right

unvote, vote nuwen

fate's being dumb and UT's being oddly reasonable and I don't feel like sorting it right now

pretty sure one of them's scum but the complete 180-ness of Nuwen is terribad.

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Axxle has a point (woah). Axxle: why UT over Nuwen?

I'm not 180ing on anything? The names I'm listing as scum reads are possible lynches today, not a composite scum team. Pie/Eagle are the only not-bus lynches I'd consider for reasons not related to ActionDan, lower priority behavioral stuff.

a) hi, I'm Pie, you know, that guy you knew once, you could talk to me

not

as if you're talking to someone else.
b) no. you don't get to say AD'S SCUMTEAM PILED ON HIM LAST MINUTE after giving two other scumreads that were both

not

on the wagon and then still try to stand your ground there. nope nope nope.

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"both not on the wagon" = "off the wagon"

means the same thing I'm just tired

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*cue At The End Of The Day lyrics ("Now come on ladies, settle down...)*

so I think this is the first game with Fate where he actually almost convinced me for a second. or maybe it's because I was trying to read this game when I first woke up. luckily Fate-mode engaged and it snapped me out of it.

also we're not lynching YNGO that's fucking dumb

@11: Cheery's my mason buddy

Nuwen seems like a bit of a random lynch

hi CDB hi

so

Nuwen first gives two scumreads off the AD wagon from yesterday (not 'scummy', she says

scum

; she's confident). then after people talk about things she does a complete 180 by saying (well, honestly, heavily implying) that AD's entire scumteam bussed him, in order to set up to go after Fate/UT/Gamma.

seem less like a random lynch now?

do you have a townread on Nuwen?

pedt: also listen to Gamma, he's been asking her to elaborate on her reads and she's pretty much refused (I think she's posted after he's asked but again, just woke up)

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unvote vote Nuwen

I just have such a hard time believe that scum Nuwen wouldn't bus the absolute shit out of Dan.

if you just don't want to bus her, just say so. we'll understand.

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need to fully catch up but I'm gonna play a round (or several) of Netrunner with esurio since my MTGO draft decided to crash and I want to do something that isn't mafia

but judging from the last few posts, yeah it is.

quick-stuff:
- CDB I skimmed your case and the only things I can offer before I write a more substantial post are: the vote on you was mostly joking, as I unvoted you after you answered me (I think I had some possible suspicion at that point but I'll elaborate later), and yes I know that comment I made about AD looks terrible after he flipped scum. I flat out said I ignored AD for the most part and I didn't mention (obviously) but did think that that comment would come back to bite me later. also I did re-visit your wagon thing. again, more later
- mollie's vote is bad but I still don't know what to think of her. I don't remember the name of the game she's talking about and all I remember is her and mastin calling me terrible during the game and in postgame, mostly mastin.
- Nuwen's vote is trash and I'll rip into that later

okbye

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postin' time

lemme see if there's other content before I address CDB in full.

also

@CDB

do you have a townread on Nuwen? I asked you this earlier but I didn't see an answer.

Does anyone remember the time [Reck] recorded me voting for him in a face to face game? Not seeing the same attitude towards Fate being 'wrong' about him.

Are you calling YNGO/Reck scum for this? That's what it sounds like to me.

Is it more likely that Gamma, as town, hammers

yes

gamma don't give a fuck, you know this. stop trying to push gamma, it ain't gonna happen.

Pie is scum because gut

oh ok

so you call me scum, then try playing the AD WAS BUSSED BY HIS ENTIRE SCUMTEAM 100% YESSIREE card and call UT/Fate/Gamma scum, then when that doesn't work for you and I call you out for your read on me/eagle despite pushing the on-the-wagon angle, you latch onto "because gut" as the reason and then park your vote on me when a crappy wagon pops up, thus ignoring the on-the-wagon thing. am I following this right?

jesus christ

Nuwen's reaction to this game was pretty cool and she seems like she has her head screwed on correctly

have you been reading literally anything she's posted

like actually reading

not just "hey look Nuwen's posting words okay she town"

I mean I did that on D1 myself, but then I actually read what she was posting and ugh. you should try actually reading her this game.

put Brock on the phone

Man why's cdb town again?

AD D1.

what's the point of superpowerbussing when there was pretty much no other pressure on AD

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CDB-case:
re: white noise

only the first part of that post was useless really. part 2 was me stating a townread on reck, part 3 was me poking at nuwen because she was being useless

re: mechanical/lame vote

like I said, I was half-joke-voting. also IIRC I asked you about one of your reads and if it was based off another (too lazy to go back and look) and you ignored me. so I voted to get your attention and kinda poke you a bit, and had you responded differently I would have left my vote on. your response had me lean town on you. again IIRC.

re: Triforce

that post did seem kinda off? dunno what else to say. oh, and there's the Nuwen townread thing I was talking about earlier, Reck.

re: CDB wagon

explained change to townread above. I did re-visit your wagon, I posted it in my thing at the start of D2. It helped me reach the conclusion that one (prolly not both) of UT/Fate are scum.

re: scummy AD comment

as I said, yeah, this looks bad. I remember ignoring AD for the most part, and did a quick ISO of him when you brought him up to me. lemme go look at him again real quick.

this post was mainly the one I looked at IIRC, and I checked out the post of yours in question there. when you mention 4 nullreads, it's reasonable to think "why are you voting me over an actual scumread". I think I just quickly tried processing all of that and went "yeah that seems reasonable, dunno if I agree"

in hindsight it looks a little self-preservating but I didn't catch that at the time. shrug.


your train of thought is rational at least, I understand where you're coming from with your points and if there's anything else you'd like me to explain, I can.

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@mollie - not to sound like a dick but have you done anything other than yell at Waffles and join random wagons? I mean that as sincerely as possible because I've tuned you out post-catfight-stuff.

noticed you joined the UT wagon which I would fully support but then you went ahead and voted me and I kind of disagree with that so...

any other reason other than the one game (that again I don't really remember other than mastin yelling at me) for voting me?

and I don't feel like yelling about Nuwen any more than I already did above

so I think that covers it

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mollie if you're still down for bussing UT I'll gladly join you

obviously I want Nuwen dead but hey, appealing to the people voting me is a good idea right? (hey Nuwen you wanna bus UT?)

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OH

OH MAN

then Nuwen can bus UT too and ~whee~

though IDK, if she didn't bus AD either maybe she'll just be really passive this game. I mean she attacked people on the wagon while being off the wagon herself, guess that's good for laying groundwork for bussing her buddy tho

man, three scum off the AD wagon then they all go and bus UT D2. tough luck. sorry pookie <3

you two can vote him first though, I wanna jump on the wagon late so I don't out myself as y'alls buddies.

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still want nuwen dead mostly for just ignoring every attempt I've had at asking her to be readable unless she thought she might die for it

it looks like that might not happen so i guess if it doesn't i'll go over stuff later and vote maybe mollie or something. UT did seem pretty town to me day 1 but I guess I can reread him then too?

what happened to this, Gamma? why u leev nuwenwagon

why are YOU thinking [UT] is scum? cos I am not very clear on that.

mostly his positions on some of the D1 wagons. him and Fate voted literally right next to each other (pointed this out here) so I figured it's one or the other but obviously not both. he hasn't done anything that's stuck out to me as town. I can't read Fate for shit ever, but he's still not out of the question.

the game was deathnote mafia

oh right. thanks, I honestly had forgotten the game name >_> but I did remember a little bit of what went on, mostly mastin and you yelling at me during the game.

so I have no idea what to say in my 'defense' against acting differently this game honestly. I know exactly what you mean by me being 'paranoid' and I guess I'm just being more laid-back this game. it hasn't been a conscious thing (and I didn't notice until you pointed it out), so the only things I can think of are either because of the playerlist or because it's a large and I'm not the biggest fan of larges for the first few days. this is the first large I've played in in a while where I haven't just lurked and replaced out after a day or two >_>

so yeah, idk what to say about that. but now your vote makes perfect sense, so you get the townpass for now because I am way too lazy to go back and ISO you for a read anyway.

other than Reck-town and Nuwen-scum, I've explained. my reads list hasn't changed much from... here, other than moving you to town (sidenote: oh right, you pushed on CDB, yeah you're defs town) and Nuwen to scum. if someone wants to help me figure out Fate and Eleven that'd be great

even Waffles and Ythan are both town, the former's claim and 'plan' for tonight is so obvtown it hurts and it doesn't make sense for Ythan to CC the shot on Triforce as scum. already said this but figured I'd repeat it while I'm explaining reads

also I'm gonna say that Cheery is my least sure townread I guess but meh, I don't feel like lynching him anytime soon.

mollie if you're still down for bussing UT I'll gladly join you

obviously I want Nuwen dead but hey, appealing to the people voting me is a good idea right? (hey Nuwen you wanna bus UT?)

the bussing ut joke was funny the first time I used it on reck this just looks like mimicking and trying to blend in

or bus me that works too

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CDB & mollie please vote UT with me thanks.

Axxle and Ythan can come too. And Waffles.

And maybe Eleven.

vote: UT

UT is fine.

VOTE: UT

dafuq

well it's a good thing you finally came to your senses, but you do realize this won't give you any towncred for tomorrow

not that anyone else is reading this I don't know why I even bother

Eagle/Pie/Axxle/Cheery are also light on content as well.

have you actually read my posts (no one does and since you ignored the last thing I phrased at you...) and/or seen me play in large games

this is leaps and bounds above my usual efforts so stfu

I like cdbs case on him and for someone who was pretty willing to go, look at Axxle being Axxle, early in the day he was perfectly fine with my lynch when his partner was on the line.

a) I am too lazy to go back and check to see when I said I wanted you lynch in correlation to AD's wagon but I don't think AD was close to a lynch until the very end of Day 1. if you change it to "perfectly fine with Triforce's lynch" it'd be more understandable (and I already addressed that).
b) you are aware that I actually said I wouldn't mind your lynch even though you're probably town, yes? I do remember saying that
c) obviously: you're assuming I'm scum with AD to come to that conclusion (logic I'm guilty of using fairly often but still)

sorry for the wall.

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actually I somehow missed that Malapost and it's so so so bad.

unvote
vote Eaglekit

team box-on-head go

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have you actually read my posts (no one does and since you ignored the last thing I phrased at you...) and/or seen me play in large games

this is leaps and bounds above my usual efforts so stfu

ITS ALMOST LIKE HES SCUM JUST PAINTINT A BROAD BRUSH OF SUSPECTS HE CAN HOP ON? (aka literally everyone in the game I can't remember reck actually having a town read this game like I said its just that damn obvious)


PIE YOURE ON THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON WHY YOURE NOT VOTING RECK RIGHT NOW

because Reck doesn't claim d1 beloved princess as -

ok

maybe

he could but I really don't think he's scum this game. his posts scream town-apathy. also occam's razor

also your incessant tunneling on Reck mixed with UT's reactions actually being reasonable re: the wagon on him is starting to make me think my original AD-bus-choice was wrong; trying to manipulate me into voting Reck is giving me pause

UT suspecting waffles

and

ythan is weird tho

do you have any other reads that you care to pursue besides 'Reck is scum' (gonna guess no)


p.s. Ythan and Waffles shut the fuck up goddammit, you're both town and the tunneling isn't helping anyone

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so are we going to dick around some more because I'm starting to get bored

I wanna lynch somethiiing D: /tristana

@mollie - I think what Cheery is trying to say is that you're claiming you're unsure of Waffles but still trying to 'pin her scumbuddies'. I get what he's getting at, I think. haven't exactly been following that convo so whether you actually did that or not IDK but still.

I assume you think Cheery is scum? (basing this off that recent post because again: not paying attn). because I understand the logic there if he meant what I think he meant and that feels like it's coming from a town mindset

@cheery - do you think scum-mollie would push that hard on CDB after AD got lynched?

pedit - hi 11. you guys really still wanting to lynch YNGO or could you find a more productive wagon to join

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we're not lynching mollie or cheery dog.

@mollie - paying attention is for losers. the "I have no words" and some other part of your posts sounded like you were just being condescending so I thought you might have had a slim townread on him or something I dunno

@cheery - stop making me put in effort. 1202...

wait. he's in her townreads list on late D1.

oh fuck me I'm an idiot.

nevermind that then, I fail at picking up sarcasm + I blended D1 in with D2. ignore me pls

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why the fuck are we lynching Cheery

ugh

mollie's thing re:Ythan on this page is weirding me out.

informal V/LA til Monday-ish due to hectic work weekend, will post if/when able but I may not have time to do more than skim

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unvote
vote mollie

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really not buying the mollie AtE tbh (felt incredibly over-the-top), and to explain my vote earlier since I was in a rush: not liking the her-Ythan exchange, not liking her parking a vote on me while pushing cheery and whatnot until he was pretty close to being lynched (plus she was being relatively conservative with voting... up until now when she's close to being lynched and jumps on eagle), and since I'm a dumbass and confused some events she's no longer 'conf-town' to me. not that anyone cares~

also I do

want

to join the eagle wagon for purposes of actually lynching something at a 90 page d2 (seriously guys) but I would much rather lynch mollie or Nuwen... who are also voting eagle so I'm really not feeling it. I guess eagle hasn't been useful at all, and that one post towards Gamma earlier made some alarms sound, but I'm really uncomfortable with joining a wagon with those two on it.

I guess they could all 3 be scum together but then why not just push for the cheery lynch that's still at 4 votes for some reason instead of bussing for no reason? so there's at least one townie in those three IMO (does this make any sense?). mollie's AtE looks artificial as hell, I don't get why so many people are reading Nuwen as town, and with those two reads in mind, the eaglewagon comes across as being a last-minute scumpush (especially with the Cheery wagon dying down and the only other notable wagon being mollie, with conf-town Waffles pushing Nuwen ATM).

I'll think about this stuff more when I'm less fatigued

@ut: not a fresh thought on the CDB-AD stuff (said it before multiple times), but if you read things from CDBs side, that slot's practically conf-town.

@magua - hi.

@eleven - I can reiterate my Nuwen-case if you honestly care but I quit yelling about it because no one was listening.

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Also, Pie, why did you feel the need to point out YNGO said something about UT first? I wasn't even using that as a point against/in favour of Nuwen.

?

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@waffles: mentioning... what? could you find the post? I feel like you're talking about something old because I have no idea what you're talking about and it's coming off kinda random

mollie saying magua's slot isn't town is lols

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@mollie - I wouldn't "misrep" you if you didn't use vague language. interpreted "my read is going stale" as "my townread is waning", I guess I'm just an idiot huh.

@magua - yep, p. much all I commented on because I really don't have anything new to offer at this point

also I've just resorted to sitting back for a bit because when I do try and push reads I feel strongly about (UT earlier in the day with my VC thing, Nuwen later in the day, etc.) no one listens to my reads/thoughts so I've given up. also general apathy about this game but y'know.

speaking of UT I could see him being scum due to the VCA thingy but I kinda forgot about that because nothing's stuck out as scummy since then from what I've read but I dunno... ehhhhh I'm wanting to lynch just about anything at this point so I could maybe go with that?*

*but I'm not feeling eagle due to mollie+Nuwen being on it, fairly confident they're scum (they could be bussing but with the back-to-back votes I doubt it? idk**), and I'm not liking Cheery as a wagon either. (speaking of nuwen I still don't see how she's so 'obvtownie' to everyone and people just keep saying she's offering content even though she's not saying anything but I digress)

guess I could be persuaded to move my vote maybe eventually

**hell my Nuwen+mollie theory kind of does fall apart to the back-to-back voting thing because usually scum avoid doing that. it's possible only one of them is scum and not both

hmm

need to think for a bit

unvote

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vote eaglekit

this is fine after all.

anyhow, mollie and Nuwen can't both be scum together. still think mollie's AtE was over-the-top and I want to say she's more likely but everyone else saying she's wrong is making me think I might be tunneling a bit.

UT go home you're drunk, my VCA was valid and we can disucss that when you're sober.

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ELEVEN

;_;


anyway.

vote anti

gamma stop voting axxle. nuwen's posts were absolutely terribad so this is still fine.

finally you people are coming to your senses

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Something I noticed... Dan's self-vote was very weird and forced and Gamma piled on quickly afterwards.

Are you seriously playing

directly into

EagleKit's

ActionDan's hand

?

They were

He was going down, of COURSE

they'd claim a guilty

he'd self-hammer for ultimate WIFOMs and hope it did enough to make us paranoid after

they were

he was gone.

to be fair.

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someone said something about a 'jeep tell' and I don't remember what that is.

@gamma: I'm confused by parts of 2504 so I'll let the coffee sink in and see if it makes more sense later. to answer why I think it can come from scum: basically I think it's kind of a fake reaction. it came off as a forced 'playing dumb' reaction which is a good move for scum to do under pressure (the alternative being to panic, obvs bad).

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prod dodge, been a bit busy/lazy, sorry guys

tomorrows my day off, will catch up between tonight and tomorrow night

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so I'm being super-lazy and didn't really 'catch up' per se but I've been skimming

2/3rds of the playerlist reads town to me at this point

pretty much 100% town include UT, Waffles, Iec, Ythan - for claim related reasons
roughly about 80% town includes Magua, Gamma, YNGO, mollie

Magua's town because ~CDB-AD sooper-bussin' things~
Gamma's town because this is pretty Gammatown
YNGO is town because claim and vibes of town-apathy a while back
mollie is town because of eagle's push yesterday

which leaves Cheery, Jordan, Anti and Axxle

Anti is scum (see below), the other three I have literally no reads on so idk. I had a gut townread on Cheery for a while but I honestly don't even know anymore


eagle wagon - Eleven, Nuwen, pirate mollie, Gammagooey, Untrod Tripod, InflatablePie, Ythan, Iecerint


pretty sure Nuwen-slot is scum here based off this, 'nuff said. my other reasons are YMMV I guess because no one agrees with me, but this here is pretty hard evidence

we have conftown (11), basically conftown (UT/Ythan/Iec), and very town (Gamma) players on that wagon so I'm wondering why there's Cheery/Jordan/YNGO wagons when we should probably be lynching between Anti/mollie/myself.

and protip - we shouldn't lynch myself or mollie today.

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already explained why you're town now. also this is like the fifth time I've gone back and forth on you so woo-hoo. also I think 'most of the game' is an exaggeration

define "tying myself to you" because that wasn't my intention.

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why am I slimy

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the last sentence is valid

I had some questions but then I ISO'd you for your reads since I remember you posting a reads list and I guess if you had townreads on mollie and Anti it'd make sense you'd vote me at this juncture. your reads suck btw.

still been calling Anti's slot scum for a while now, so your implied theory of me just using wagon info because he's already under suspicion is kind of invalid. shrug.

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@mods: I do. also you used the thong joke twice.

Pie kind of arbitrarily chose three people based on his "reads" on each of them

not sure if it's all worth going into given

your

reads but I feel like arbitrarily is a bad word.

like you

have

to be doing this on purpose for some reason because you're not usually this... daft

I don't recall you ever saying why Anti's slot is scum. In fact, I don't recall anyone saying why Nuwen/Anti are scum.

see above except now I want to throw something at you

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I don't recall you ever saying why Anti's slot is scum.

uno
dos
tres
cuatro
cinco
cinco
seis

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I'm ELEVEN, Town ELEVEN. can target one player per night, if I target ELEVEN different players over the course of the game then I win on my own instead.

yep. so basically vanilla (asked the mods if my target did anything and they couldn't tell me).

breadcrumbed it here:

I killed Triforce.

no, I KILLED TRIFORCE

and here:

ELEVEN

;_;


anyway.

for clarification, target last night was Nuwen/Antihero, not eleven. I highly doubt the target does anything but in the 2% chance it actually did do something to Triforce... yeah.

I'll address Reck's case tonight, half-asleep read it on my phone and I'm a lazyfuck who slept in till 2 w/ work at 4. if you guys could be respectful and let me address that

before

lynching me if you guys really want to, I'd appreciate it.

on the offchance someone wants to be a dick, my reads haven't really changed. as far as my wagon, UT/YNGO/Gamma are misguided, Axxle's being lurky and sheeping whomever. shrug. ideally I'd like other players to chime in as well because it's kind of frustrating having this specific wagon on me especially with terrible votes like Anti's being ignored but I understand if y'all don't have the patience.

so yeah, gimme till midnight. or if you can't wait 9.5 hours, just please lynch Anti tomorrow for the love of god. if he flips town as well, somehow, the eagle wagon needs a serious re-evaluation.

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unvote
vote inflatablepie

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... and the guy who the flavor's based on is telling me the flavor doesn't even make sense.

I kind of want an elaboration here, Anti.

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after reading the responses there was nothing I could have done to convince anyone to unvote me, especially with 2-3 people wanting to hammer me.

still just a vanilla (well basically) so w/e.

also to Anti/Mollie: I had no idea if my target did anything, so I used it because what if it did. also for the lols. didn't think about trackers/watchers tbh.

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although reck: thanks for being a tunnel-y paranoid dumbfuck

you're probably scum or some sort of third party after all aren't you

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even if you would have unvoted, mollie/Ythan/probably others would have just piled on

and no one else on my wagon would have moved, have you

seen

who you got to wagon me

so thanks for that.

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least we didn't lynch a PR, I mean it could be worse

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and before you yell at me about "but if they voted, it would give us info etc." well you can still gleam the same info regardless since they stated intent to hammer, except now you have my flip.

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has WON The Teckoning III (Math is Hard)!!!

The Teckoning IV (Spelling is Hard)

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yeah, a little.

I played kind of piss-poor as scum too, which basically damned Fate's slot.