The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Tammy]

desperado you are killing me.

I just got to reading mollie as town.

[Tammy]

So if we die tonight while handing up scum on a platter, I'll accept a .jpg apology

[Tammy]

^ so protown gosh i don't know what I was thinking by being suspicious of him...someone should smack me or lynch me, yeah.

[Tammy]

I wasn't baiting you. I was never baiting you. I was never being deliberately mean. I was scum reading you and asked you a fucking question.

You called me a bitch. Like you literally personally attacked me when mind you I explained my whole thought process to you and said I wanted you to be town.

You said I don't belong here. After I thought we cleared things up you kept going Tammy was deliberately mean.

If you can't see that you calling me a bitch for no reason whatsoever and then continuing to go Tammy's mean! how can you guys no see it is you keeping something going then I don't know what to tell you.

I wish you hydrad with Nacho, because at least he'd tell you that I don't have it in me to be deliberately mean for no reason and maybe you'd stop with your damn crusade.

I do think you're scum. Problem is my other head doesn't. The only people who believe me that you're scum are desperado and cheery dog. That's it.

And this is it. This is the last interaction I will make with you ever.

[Tammy]

I think Waffles tone is scummy in assorted posts, but am conceding to someone who can read the slot better and is town. Claimed power not going to be lynched Day 2, too much interest in *science*. Waffles' hot/cold reactions to Ythan seem pretty opportunistic:
1)They are aggro at Ythan Day 1 'because of their role' -> I think this is a VERY WEAK explanation for wanting to lynch Ythan, because vig bullets

are a negative utility

. Town on town crime is much more likely to occur than a successful scum shot.

We never said we wanted to lynch Ythan yesterday? I had him in my list of people I wouldn't mind wagoning because I had a gut scum read on him based on the vig thing, but it's also possible we both exist as town. Mina asked him to start playing like town so that the only reason she had to town read him wasn't scum dayvig too OP.

2)Quick kneejerk vote in response to his counterclaim indicates no pause to consider that he is also town. Waffles' slot self-examines every move (have said this before), so I think when it acts quickly we are seeing behavior that breaks her composed introspection with raw motivation.

Hi! Impulsive head here. While Mina might self-examine every move or be a bit self-aware and talk about it, I am less so. Well, I mean I am pretty self-aware and look back at things after the fact but I'm way more impulsive and liable to move on something quickly without thinking and then have something settle and think about it. If Mina had been the one posting at that time, she probably would have questioned him about it and asked for a flavor claim like the way she did when she posted last night. He said he took a shot we took. I've never seen a day+night vig before, and he didn't vote us when saying we lied about it. It looked like a scum claim to me. It wasn't until after he said there was a possibility that we both took the shot that I thought maybe it was possible.

3)Emotional engagement with Mollie is way over the top. Provocative, inflammatory, and useless are all words that describe the many many posts directed from Tammy to Mollie. I have a hard time believing that such a supposedly self-aware team would continually harass/counter-harass someone for weak play. The 'cat fights' have allowed Reck to excuse himself from playing, because he'll take any excuse not to actually read a Mafia game.

Has nothing to do with weak play, and if you don't see her jumping in with Ythan to antagonize me unnecessarily last night when we already haven't been getting along this game and while I was trying to get Axxle to talk so I could follow his thought process and try to get a read on him as really scummy then welp, i don't know what to tell you.

[Tammy]

The way I view vig shots is if you don't have a strong scum read, you don't just shoot haphazardly. I view vig shots as taking out people, preferably who have already claimed, who are likely to be the lynch the next day anyway. We talked about potentially shooting a scum read and tossed around a couple of names. We were going to reread the game together but the site went down and we couldn't. Triforce was a claimed survivor, likely to be today's lynch anyway, so the vig shot there was practical no matter what our desires may or may not have been.

Why wouldn't we use that day one to take out the distraction for day two?

We couldn't use the hide last night. Mina had gotten permission from the mods to do her code thing and we had thought about potentially using it yesterday but the day was cut short anyway. Hiding yesterday would have been useless. If we lived great, we have a confirmed town. But if we died, no one would have any idea why we died. We will flip JoaT, not hider. We didn't get a chance to even crumb or claim that. It would have been a complete waste if we died. Also super glad we didn't, because if Ythan is telling the truth and vigged Triforce, if we would have died last night too by hiding behind scum, there would have been three deaths today and you guys would be running in circles thinking the setup was something it wasn't.

you guyz didn't think they were a distraction when trying to work with them?

this is what I don't get, if when playing a JOAT investigate first, vig kill later. <--- right?

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. It doesn't matter that *we* believed they had protown interests. Nobody else did. They were almost the lynch yesterday. They would have been the lynch today. They would have been a distraction. We removed the distraction. This is like optimal vig strategy.

I don't even understand the problem here. A third party claims. We have means to remove third party. We do that.

If we hide and die behind scum, we can't vig kill later? Because we're dead.

Anyway, I'm done. I don't know why I'm even trying. I'll let someone else explain it to you. I've reached my maximum limit and I have a party to go to.

[Tammy]

MOLLIE - Now that you see I was 100% town, I hope I fucking hope you realize the bats hit fucking bathsit behavior of your day one. Now that you can see I'm town, you can see that I wasn't actually trying to poke at some imaginary sore spot I have no fucking clue exists. I just legitimately thought your reading of the game was completely out of step. Your entire game was ohmyfuckinggod out of step and out of place.

I just fucking hope you understand that all that happened was I suspected you. I didn't try to bait you. Faraday and I didn't try to smear you. You just went apocalyptic on us, and it didn't have to be that way.

I don't want you to respond. I don't have any intention of speaking to you again. I just want you to understand that your fucking shit is unappreciated.

[Tammy]

Singer - I was mostly being stubborn about our VIG choice because I was getting annoyed at continually having to defend /explain our choice when it was practical. We definitely didn't treat it like it was the only choice and we felt bad about it. We would have preferred to shoot a scum read but couldn't decide on one. We did discuss vigging fate, but we thought he'd eat a nightkill if he was town. We talked about a couple others too but got cold feet and just went the practical route so we could confirm ourselves.