The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Cheery Dog]

VOTE: Your New Gay Overlords

Leaving people at the airport due to drunkness only comes from people that know they're going to draw scum.

[Cheery Dog]

That was only half of us, the other half is a responsible upstanding citizen of the United States of America.

I guess that makes you third party?

[Cheery Dog]

Someone find me an avatar.

I see you making people do your dirty work



UNVOTE:
VOTE: Eleven

[Cheery Dog]

Someone find me an avatar.

I see you making people do your dirty work



UNVOTE:
VOTE: Eleven

Oh, wait. Cheery Dog, why did you choose this image for Eleven?

I thought the eleven thing started while we were doing something with cards (and the 11 of clubs was the first one I found that would fit as an avatar). Also

I have no idea why this hydra chose the eleven of hearts! (We also briefly had the black one, but I said hearts would be better!)

Seeing if they'd actually choose a different suit that in the f2f games would be town alignment.

Therefore they're hinting at being town, and I might trust them for now.
UNVOTE:

Actually, I just realized that Reck townslipped if anything.

Does this mean we should follow his "Pie" tell?

[Cheery Dog]

Idk what I'm on about either.

[Cheery Dog]

Early appeals to emotion from a miller claim?

VOTE: DeathNote

[Cheery Dog]

The maths in the bland votecount isn't very enjoyable, but it is hard I know

[Cheery Dog]

hey gamma are you scum

http://www.indra.com/cgi-bin/spikes-8-ball

Are you telling people different things, it came up as most likely to me.

Can we mislynch Axxle D1 again?

I was fakeclaiming and am a lyncher-hammerer on Axxle btw. I become scum if I don't win as a lyncher tho, so better lynch Axxle quick. :[

Pedit: Ohhhhh Triforce's words cut to the bone.

Does that mean only Axxle is lynched at L-1?

Anyway I apparently need to replace this
VOTE: DeathNote

[Cheery Dog]

Look harder then.

[Cheery Dog]

that gunshot was pretty loud

It must have been to wake you up.

Anyway Mina has something there. (I assume, I'd have to read it)

[Cheery Dog]

and you expect voting me will somehow change that?

[Cheery Dog]

VOTE: pirate mollie

[Cheery Dog]

What do you think that question will tell you about my alignment? Gonna not answer just in case ur trying to TRAP ME.

tbqh I was thinking that you and waffles were scum together!

Is that who was bussing waffles earlier?

[Cheery Dog]

still think waffles is scum. I mean tammy flat out LIED in the post where she quoted my hydra that wasn't me she quoted who said they couldn't read her it was bert I scumread tammy the entire time that game but bert fell for her fake crying just like nacho did

The fact this is from a hydra (presumably unsigned), makes me want to continue with my vote on Mollie. Although I can go with her assuming people can read who posts simply because she knows which posts she made herself, but the basis of this being part of her scumreadon Waffles is just a bit too far out there.

For that reason, I find someone scumreading me for my early posts plausible...if that someone was incapable of following the plot and missed I was practically confirmed town for the underlying reasons behind, e.g., my questions to Cheery Dog.

People generally can't read underlying reasons. ALthough that is what we want to be attempting to do.

That's why I asked Cheery Dog about that avatar. He'd voted Faraday in the same post as he'd suggested he use an eleven of clubs. Hey, Cheery, did you choose it for Faraday because you were calling him scum? It's a weird connection to make.

I already gave my reasoning as for the choice, although I did go searching other suits (I did originally search hearts) to see a possible mental inkling based on F2F games with them, but after the switch happened, I realised I hadn't actually played mafia with anything other than the greater idea deck after getting to Polyhous.
Also hearts does suit the personality best anyway.

[Cheery Dog]

I'd like some real content from Prozac as I can't read him at all right now (and I'd like his vote off of Axxle, but.) Cheery looks kinda bad for the DeathNote vote and forced question to mollie. Fate is town as fuck though I'm a bit underwhelmed by the CDB wagon.

Which DeathNote vote, the one the mods missed or the one I placed because the mods had missed the first one?

My question to mollie regards why I'm currently voting her, it's matters a lot to how I may read her in the future and steps she takes in similar directions if those happen.

[Cheery Dog]

It's not that hard to iso me to find a question is it? Although I've read back to the original area from why I asked a question and now deem it pointless myself, so don't worry about it. (which is probably why I never asked anything about it back then either)
UNVOTE:
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I haven't played with any of hydras, and don't plan on reading any games to find out where the original offence occurred.

[Cheery Dog]

Kittyday I guarantee two scum caught off this wagon please give me this

Action dan/Cdb can be shelved not feeling that strong either way but cdb still looks worse (his exclamation marks are scummy as fuck)

How exactly would this work for finding scum?

[Cheery Dog]

Oh good the reactionary mollie has arrived.

More delayed than was expected, but I think I can safely place her towards the town pile now.

[Cheery Dog]

That's she has become reactionary at kiteagle's vote on her.

[Cheery Dog]

The waffles blowout was part of the reason my vote when on her.
It came off after she went and me (and I reread some stuff), it's now the full circle and above post.

[Cheery Dog]

Waffles usually being bussed comment without naming who was possibly bussing. It reminded me of my first encounter of her where she was caught out as scum by hunting for a buddy of a person she was refusing to vote.

Not sure if you're just not getting the point, but we're saying she's been reactionary to EVERYONE who has gone after her.

How is her-being-reactionary-to-EagleKit different from her-being-reactionary-to-(Waffles/Eleven/You)?

It's different as she thought it was mala, and thus not reacting as such at being voted.

It may have been missed with her argument with waffles, which makes the whole thing slightly invalid, but actually the delayed reaction until the votes were explained more feels town.

Yeah I have nothing more, I've lost whatever it was that had me thinking scum-mollie.

[Cheery Dog]

So reck's definity getting lynched tomorrow.

I'm not sure of my read on Dan because of a lack of posting from him. Does he ignore games more if caught?

[Cheery Dog]

I haven't explained my read on gays, because I'm trying to ignore them as they're unlynchable today due to the bp claim.

This will continue to be my stance.

[Cheery Dog]

Thoughts on waffles, prozac and gamma Cheery Dog?

All 3 are on my "meh, I'll develop a read later" list. (and so is practically everyone else)

Tammy, you skyped as twice while we were there, therefore you can be included as some form of at the meet. (even if what I remember about the skype calls was kayne)

[Cheery Dog]

All 3 are on my "meh, I'll develop a read later" list. (and so is practically everyone else)

Can you give me your strong reads in either direction then?

CBD and Mollie are town
Ice and Ythan have claims/actions that make them unlikely scum, but I'm not going to do much else with that.

YNGO are scum, but not todays lynch. (and as you might have noticed my lack of a vote currently, there's nobody else listed here)

[Cheery Dog]

That's not a very good reason to call someone town.

[Cheery Dog]

I think

UT is stoking the flames and adding a new layer of Stuff To Fear.

unvote

for now

no, I want to not be the only person who realized that they claimed cult

there's literally no good reason to leave that slot alive other than liking the people posting from that account

How about because they're obviously not a cult? (and if we're leaving slots alive because we like people, why are we lynching anyone?)

NOTES FOR THIS GAME SPECIFICALLY

1. Your alignment will not change over the course of this game.

Anyway I feel the need to go with this
VOTE: Waffles
There's too much sappiness between the two heads.

[Cheery Dog]

That was an interesting vote, Cheery Dog. (Eleven, you should totally join the wagon!) Define "sappiness." Why do you think it's a scumtell?

The whole area where both of you are calling yourselves the worse hydra partner ever feels fake and excusable for whatever it was you were doing at the time. (bugger rereading)

It may also be the pointless happy picture trolling from yesterday (as I'm also slightly suspicious of UT as well after that).

I don't expect the wagon to go anywhere, but it seemed like a good use of a vote I wasn't using.

[Cheery Dog]

If a role wins a scummy, it should be included in games after it's original.

[Cheery Dog]

In your few posts you focused solely on CDB

...badly. We shouldn't forget that part. Lots of people have spent time focusing on me. Dan did it

really badly

.

We also have eaglekit only focusing on mollie and I think possibly some others also single-focused.

I don't think that means much though.

[Cheery Dog]

I think Waffles is more likely to be scum than triforce, triforce is likely to be a third party (but any other part of their claim might be horseshit, like the protection), and that UT's erraticism is genuine but not pro-town in the case I pointed out.

I haven't heard anyone speak the same words, Icerint. I definitely haven't read a case f Waffles, except for Faraday's winks and jovial hints. If I missed it, link me because I'm at the skim + narrow focus reading stage.

Just vote them anyway, who needs cases?

[Cheery Dog]

All 3 are on my "meh, I'll develop a read later" list. (and so is practically everyone else)

(Fyi cheery's reasonably sudden confidence on waffles after I start moving that way is interesting )

What confidence? The fact I decided to vote someone?

[Cheery Dog]

cheery dog -

hey cheery what's up!

I have played with you more than most of the people here and I am not seeing that same level of play that I am used to seeing from you! why is that?

You're not looking hard enough (and also N is mean for not letting me tell this to you yesterday)

I was correct about Triforce

Triforce fucking claimed, there was practically no other option of how to read them.

VOTE: Nuwen
The whole thing is written and/or reads "as a look how smart I am, I can't be scum" post.

VOTE: cdb

thats mina's tell not mine

I caught you with that exact phrase at the meet! It was on my list of memorable things that I submitted for this game. I guess it wasn't that memorable though.

Anyway UNVOTE: eaglekit, VOTE: ActionDan, everyone hop on, choo choo

Nah.

This is not a post I'd make if I was scum with Dan.

Nah (it doesn't indicate anything either way for me)

I forgot to mention this before, but ahem, there is no better avatar than mine. That is my cat. Look how cute he is and go awwwwwwweeeeeeee.

My dog disagrees.

oh hai!

eagle people are town

put eagle things back into scum

I'm not aware of eaglekit posting between either of these posts, can you explain how this read has developed since yesterday?

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Also I feel Reck is looking better today.

[Cheery Dog]

That doesn't answer the question Mollie.

[Cheery Dog]

What about Waffles wanting Mala to post makes eagle scum?

[Cheery Dog]

Having someone as town doesn't mean that they should just be ignored when scumming up the place.

why are you asking me this

I'm trying to figure out how I'm meant to be reading you, sudden changes in reads doesn't help you get a good read.

So it's that you're still trying to find a buddy for waffles, which points back to why I read you as scum yesterday.

So I'm now fine with a mollie lynch again.

[Cheery Dog]

Having someone as town doesn't mean that they should just be ignored when scumming up the place.

like you are?

why are you asking me this

I'm trying to figure out how I'm meant to be reading you, sudden changes in reads doesn't help you get a good read.

So it's that you're still trying to find a buddy for waffles, which points back to why I read you as scum yesterday.

So I'm now fine with a mollie lynch again.

what was your reason for wanting me lynched yesterday?

Only because I'm talking to you.

It was to do with you mentioning that waffles was usually being bussed if a certain thing happened, which reminded me of your action from the first game we played together.
I removed that suspicion upon rereading the context as I had just read waffles question at first. The usually part removed it on me.

now fumble into ungracefully unvoting nuwen and vote me

I'm sticking with the Nuwen vote for now, I'm slightly more confident that her statement of claiming that she was right about triforce is coming from scum wanting to show towniness.

[Cheery Dog]

Mollie - do you feel out of step and not recognizing things in the context of the game and what's been said? Cuz you feel like that to me.

fuck you tammy you don't even know what the hell I mean when I use that tell

pretty sure I am not the 1 out of step pretty sure you are

have you just resigned to be scum and have decided to just troll? that usually means you are being bussed!

[Cheery Dog]

that is a meta stretch even with elastic sweatpants

it does not explain what the *certain thing* happens means!

cheery I really don't want you to be scum but I feel like you are

That's why I dropped it day 1 after going and actually rereading the post.

What certain thing?

It's okay, I'm not on your scumteam. There is also the issue of your role pm apparently indicating multiball and Waffles's saying it's non-existent.

[Cheery Dog]

Nuwen - What does you and mollie not being on the wagon have anything to do with it? And why when you point out a townsperson like you wasn't on the wagon, you need to also point out that a townsperson like mollie wasn't on the wagon?

It has to do with the fact mollie and Nuwen are both scum.

Also I don't care if there's a counterclaim, the only way I see anything happening there is if it were multiball - but the whole hider thing from waffles doesn't work with that fact.
(and if it were the case, it'd become obvious if someone from another faction dies.)

Although I am worried about Ythan possibly being a weird form of SK.

[Cheery Dog]

SHEEP ME TO WIN

SHEEP ME TO WINT THIS ONE FUCKING TIME.
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Get some good reads and it might be possible for this to make sense/happen.

[Cheery Dog]

We're someone who have already indicated a hide ability

You claimed that. And really. In what scenario would we be able to verify anything. If you *die*. and in that case it doesn't fucking matter what you are. You picked a role that seems on the surface to be easily verifiable, but in reality is not.

Then we find out what it's meant to have meant from themselves.

Unless you're going with scum is going to attempt to win by claiming roles that keep them alive one day at a time like Fate's scumread are saying.

[Cheery Dog]

I think UT is also agreeing, with voting mollie and everything.

[Cheery Dog]

Fate I'm prob going to vote you but here is a courteousy notice of intent

Just fricken vote someone and/or die already please?

I don't really understand the scumreads on fate? I think he's gone off the deepend and part of me thinks it'd be funny to scumread him to troll hi, but what's he achieving here as scum by pushing waffles instead of reck? Losing credibility? Making himself look like a raving lunatic? I just don't really see it, he seems super INTO this game and it looks like he just uh, wants to be right/listened to after a run of scum games which he hasn't enoyed.

I don't think he needs to try very hard to look like a raving lunatic, I could perhaps have it either alignment and is something I think I'll just attempt to continue ignore. (although having to scroll past the same shit repeatly is annoying)

the multiball stuff was first brought up by me cos my wc implied that it might be multiball, that is what I thought at the time. I still think it is, I am just not sure what that means ergo 2 scum teams or scum team plus sk. the game feels odd.

Which phrase from your win condition may you think it?

Anyway I'm going to treat this as a scum claim because there is nothing in my win condition that can possibly indicate the amount of scum teams.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mollie

[Cheery Dog]

and I've double checked with the one in the OP, they're consistent.

[Cheery Dog]

Also, love that no one is considering the possibility of ythan being a scum vig. Like his play makes no sense for town, but whatevs.

I don't consider it worth paying that much attention to him yet, while I consider it's still a possibility, the scum who are most definity scum are much better to focus on.

There's a whole slew of people with less posts than the fucking moderator and that's kinda bothersome.

Nuwen has the same number of posts

as a dead player

. Uh.
Eagle/Pie/Axxle/Cheery are also light on content as well.

I dislike lurking as I feel it's a safe way for scum to hide. Axxle kind of disappeared when the wagon on him happened and whattyaknow it died down.

The moderators a hydra, they have double the posting time frame of me. Also I'm still in the wrong fucking timezone, you're not likely to get me becoming one of the highest posters.

[Cheery Dog]

I don't consider it worth paying that much attention to him yet, while I consider it's still a possibility, the scum who are most definity scum are much better to focus on.

Good thinking! So, who are they?

In this case, I believe Nuwen & Mollie.

[Cheery Dog]

There's also the other post of mine you didn't read where I voted Nuwen.

You should probably read that.

[Cheery Dog]

I meant that there was reasoning in that post about why I believed mollie was scum.

Also the wc calification means nothing to me, unless she has never bothered reading one of them before. These 6 all have the same town wins with at least 1 townie still alive that apparently confused her here.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32908
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32581
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=31352
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34387
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=33008
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=28253

[Cheery Dog]

so then why didn't you bring it up on d1 when I was speculating about it instead of when it was brought up by other people? it isn't just the wc it is the general tone of the game too. and it isn't like you are questioning me about it it just seems like you tried to unobtrusively park a vote in there hoping to blend in in all of the cacophony.

would you like links to where I brought up multi-ball speculation on d1 and wow omg there was multi-ball? this feels a bit different and I was trying to work it out that mebbe it was indie heavy or something.

anyways in those games do you wanna know who went all "omg she said multi-ball!" they were scum cos scum focus on minor things like that instead of having to do the legwork in order to determine some1's alignment.

Day 1 had multiball as more of a possibility. At that stage you'd only mentioned it because of your role pm, as far as I remember reading it, today you went and mentioned your win condition as the cause. We had also had night flips now and vig claims (also a non-entity for scumkills besides the doctor part of the claim), and I wanted to know more. I think I was also partly ignoring you yesterday.
Also I haven't read any of those games I linked besides checking you were in there somewhere and the town's win conditions. (I was going to have a look at your posts, but considering most of them were micros, a category which has had a total of 4 multiball games run in it, (unless there have been some I'm unaware of), only one of these wasn't publicly multiball (also not run by me), I decided it was pointless searching when it's clearly that obvious)

I also would like to clarify something, so you think that nuwen and I are in lockstep as a scumteam and that somehow no1 would notice cos this would be optimal play as scum cos of...how?

I don't know why your scumteam operates in the way you're operating, it may not even be how you want to do it, but it's what is happening. In my opinion the optimal strategy for scum should be to just claim so they don't have to stress themselves out about trying to avoid the lynch. (see Triforce's claim, even though a survivor isn't scum, but can win with them).

[Cheery Dog]

Here I'll quote where my scumread of mollie started today. Happy? (so much effort to go through the iso of someone that's posting under the radar or whatever people are calling it with me having less posts than other people)

Having someone as town doesn't mean that they should just be ignored when scumming up the place.

why are you asking me this

I'm trying to figure out how I'm meant to be reading you, sudden changes in reads doesn't help you get a good read.

So it's that you're still trying to find a buddy for waffles, which points back to why I read you as scum yesterday.

So I'm now fine with a mollie lynch again.

[Cheery Dog]

Either go read more context or carry on ignoring it, whatever. I'm not going to explain the simple shit over and over again.

[Cheery Dog]

Obviously you haven't read the context if you think I haven't explained myself. But anyway since you're obviously wanting to be a lazy bum (and I need something to procrastinate with), I'll spell it out.

Mollie had eaglekit as scum at the end of day 1
She then called them town at the start of day 2
Waffles mentioned mala having not posted in that hydra
Mollie took this to make eaglekit scum again. This was apparently caused by

I was thinking

if

waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

All in all, mollie looking for the buddies of someone she actually knows is town.

[Cheery Dog]

I am not going to read through mollies ISO to see where she called waffles town. I don't remember her saying that. If it's just the use of "if" I don't know what to tell you but do you seriously think that's the best evidence for scum in this entire thread?

It's the act of looking for the buddies of someone she's not entirely sure of the read that made me say it (I'm fairly sure mollie is still calling waffles scum). Plus personal history (although she she doing better than then by actually having voted waffles on occassion)
Besides an attempted read of other people's meta for mollie (I seriously need to stop trying to use that, what is publicly known meta is no good as meta), I don't see anything that points to her actually being town, just otherwise null.

It's better evidence than most of the rest of the rubbish flying around. (you can have UT as a possibility)

[Cheery Dog]

Obviously you haven't read the context if you think I haven't explained myself. But anyway since you're obviously wanting to be a lazy bum (and I need something to procrastinate with), I'll spell it out.

Mollie had eaglekit as scum at the end of day 1
She then called them town at the start of day 2
Waffles mentioned mala having not posted in that hydra
Mollie took this to make eaglekit scum again. This was apparently caused by

I was thinking

if

waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

All in all, mollie looking for the buddies of someone she actually knows is town.

1. yes mollie had eaglekits as scum on d1.
2. yes mollie moved eaglkits to town to see what that felt like on d2.
3. mollie moved eaglekits back to scum.

congratulations! you have managed to figure out that mollie is not static with her reads they are more fluid and dynamic and responsive to what is happening in the thread. do you know who tends to be stickier with their reads it is scum that is who which is why I moved eaglekits to scum cos can you remember a thing they have said about another player that is a bit of an alarm bell for desp. he can get pretty dogged things as town but not usually to the exclusion of the rest of the game state.

also I don't have waffles as scum I have them as unsure. I am leaving them up to other people tho cos it is not a read I want to pursue which is why I am pursuing other reads.

most of my reads are pretty soupy and kind of contingent on tweaking the thread of other reads; I tend to look at the game holistically.

Is that the bit I forgot to add in, that you had no reasoning behind the flips of that read.
Although you've kind of added one now, it still doesn't mean much about why you moved them to town in the first place.

But thanks for confirming that you've been looking at waffles as someone you're unsure of, but still trying to pin their buddies.

[Cheery Dog]

If they're town, my guess is that the shot is actually something like a weak cop (cop who dies if he investigates scum), and they framed it as a hider to avoid the NK, then goofed by asking not to be vigged. It's easy for me to imagine one hydra partner making up this plan and the other hydra partner kind of being a dummy.

If they're this, then a breadcrumb at the end of day makes it just as easy to figure out? Surely if their flavour is useful/good then we'd be able to remember and figure out the type of role they are. (although I don';t think I was there for ring of death, so I have no idea what that was)

[Cheery Dog]

Is that the bit I forgot to add in, that you had no reasoning behind the flips of that read.
Although you've kind of added one now, it still doesn't mean much about why you moved them to town in the first place.

so lemme get this straight, you are suspecting me because I did not give a reason at the time even tho you didn't question me but you voted me without giving a reason until iceyrent asked you?

I. Have. No. Words.

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But thanks for confirming that you've been looking at waffles as someone you're unsure of, but still trying to pin their buddies.

this doesn't even make sense.

your premise was that I knew eaglekits was town or something or mebbe it was waffles but I was looking for some1 who was I knew was town's scumbuddies I mean do you even see the problem here? you are not asking me for my read progression you are fabricating some nonsense and trying to assert that it must be true.

You told me back when this first occured that you moved eaglekit back to scum because Waffles had asked them a question.
As far as I see, you don't and didn't actually have a read from a town perspective on Waffles, but just someone that you could possibly get lynched.

But I'm actually sick of dealing with this now, so can everybody just lynch mollie so I can stop worrying about how we're not lynching scum?

[Cheery Dog]

we're still busy, this thread is still meh, and fate+waffles are both still town

Is that who was bussing waffles earlier?

Waffles usually being bussed comment without naming who was possibly bussing. It reminded me of my first encounter of her where she was caught out as scum by hunting for a buddy of a person she was refusing to vote.

I know this was from forever ago/i forgot to follow up on this but I still don't understand what the purpose of the original question was. she'd expressed suspicion of waffles (strongly) and this slot at the time; did you think she was going to say no??

also idg how the reasoning behind your nuwen suspicion is necessarily an alignment tell

I hadn't read the usually at the time of the question and was just trying to follow through one of Waffle's questions that mollie had ignored which was effecting my read. It's like a lot of my questions, I don't know where they're going until they're answered.

It possibly isn't, but the only time I've seen someone claim that they were right about a flipped third party was from scum. (although he did it in the scum qt). I was guessing that it was therefore a universal scum tell, as town have no reason to brag about something as simple as reading someone (who claimed in this case) correctly and expecting anything from it. It's a forced "read me as town I'm correct" message, that I'd expect from people already mostly in the know. The whole thing about AD's team entirely bussing him also makes me feel uneasy.
They could be there, but with obvious scum, there's no easy votes about it. (I only didn't vote because I still wanted time to attempt to firm up some other reads (as they were all lacking) and I think the hammer had been placed by the time I got there.)

[Cheery Dog]

@cheery - do you think scum-mollie would push that hard on CDB after AD got lynched?

Not very hard at all? I don't recall Mollie really pushing CDB except at the start of day 1.

Time for a flash wagon people will give a shit about

Unvote:
Vote: CheeryDog

see you soon Reck

I don't give a shit about that, why would other people?

[Cheery Dog]

its like reverse beetlejuice.... I say Cheery dogs name and he appears three times lol

It probably helps if you ninja the first post.

[Cheery Dog]

cbf quoting

I posted your name in there and you decided to ask me if I were scum, and now you "missed that post"? wtf

My day 1 reads were everywhere. I believe my vote on Waffles was explained as crap back when I voted them.

Triforce thing was Nuwen.

I'm calling you scum, ergo you know Waffles is not on your team, ergo you know they're town.

[Cheery Dog]

cbf quoting

I posted your name in there and you decided to ask me if I were scum, and now you "missed that post"? wtf

My day 1 reads were everywhere. I believe my vote on Waffles was explained as crap back when I voted them.

Triforce thing was Nuwen.

I'm calling you scum, ergo you know Waffles is not on your team, ergo you know they're town.

circular reasoning is circular.

And also missing the point.

Gamma dont be a Nuwen

Why would Gamma be a scum?

[Cheery Dog]

I think these were the CD posts that made me think he was town maybe.

It's not a townread really; just that these made me want to lynch him less than UT.

I have no reason to think that UT is town, so I still think he is scum.

cheery is being too sticky with his too scumreads

Stop being so obviously scum then.

[Cheery Dog]

I think these were the CD posts that made me think he was town maybe.

It's not a townread really; just that these made me want to lynch him less than UT.

I have no reason to think that UT is town, so I still think he is scum.

cheery is being too sticky with his too scumreads

Stop being so obviously scum then.

VOTE: cheerios

you are pushing angles that do not line up with town impetus

or trajectories

scum

you are pushing angles that do not line up with town impetus

or trajectories

scum

[Cheery Dog]

So now that I seem to be on L-1 (+Iecerint), anybody actually want to make sense for why I'm in this position?

Otherwise I'll just have to quote Reck's whining that nobody has any reason.

[Cheery Dog]

but reck is way better at whining than you are
like he is diamond league whining-about-things here

instead of doing that you should give a quick reads list because i've forgotten most of your opinions on everyone except mollie and nuwen

That's why I was going to quote him?

Nuwen and Mollie are scum.

Other people are also possibly scum, but I don't care about those yet.

And as it happens, you're the only person on my wagon I have a town read on. (also CDB, Waffles, Iecerint and maybe eagle and eleven, but I don't know why those)

[Cheery Dog]

They'll come if I'm able to convince myself that the read is right. At the moment, they all mostly consist of me thinking this person may be scum, and then I reply to myself "Why?" and it goes in circles.

[Cheery Dog]

I advise not looking for something that isn't going to happen.

[Cheery Dog]

Mollie's apparent townpost is the AtE? I'm not buying any of that.

reasons for ut scum: how about being obsessed with indies

While I believe this may relate to why I'm calling Nuwen scum, His level of mentioning that cult was included in the flavour name felt more town than Nuwen's "I was right about Triforce."

[Cheery Dog]

Mollie's apparent townpost is the AtE? I'm not buying any of that.

although stuff like this (the language) seems kind of forced, admittedly?

You'd get that from me as either alignment (i assume it does happen when I'm scum, I haven't played enough games to remember if people say that about me) it will happen when not enough other stuff is happening in the thread and I attempt to get people talking more.

[Cheery Dog]

p.s. if someone on the mollie wagon could engage that'd fucking own beyond HAVE YOU READ HER SCUM GAMES LOL or anything or link some that show the stuff she's doing here as scum that she has apparently done v well in the past (I mean I may not read it but I might!!!)

(lazy to find where she replaced in, also game is a year old)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24548 has her choosing someone as scum and then just looking for his buddying (which is what I felt she was doing with waffles earlier this game)

I haven't and am not going to go find a scum game of hers that I wasn't in, as I don't believe It'd do any good (I'd maybe half read a post that looks similar)

[Cheery Dog]

Faraday, what do you think about the stuff I said about Cheery? Disagree that he actually sounded like clueless town in reaction to being lynched? (On the other hand...the colour thing is completely bizarre--he's outright admitting to have committed the exact scumtell I was looking for.)

You should know better than to be looking for an exact scumtell? I'm not basing anything off the card thing,as a whole it just sent my head into WIFOM. I think it's best to go back to leaving it as an out of game choice, that may have just happened in the game.

[Cheery Dog]

Mod can we get prods on magua/YNGO/nuwen/fate(replacement) and any other lurk sack who's not posted in the last 2 days or so

This includes the mod

(although I'm aware of half of the mod being V/LA this weekend)

[Cheery Dog]

Eww this means mollie is probably not scum.

I still think Nuwen is though.

[Cheery Dog]

don't particularly want to lynch ythan

actually i have a thing to say too now that waffles said who they did a thing with

i got a message from someone in the game that says that waffles and cheery are the same alignment
i don't know who sent it and also don't know if it's completely legit but it's better saying it than not so yeah

I'd assume someone was trying to investigate me thinking the waffles could have been flipping last night.

It's good to know, but I already had Waffles as a high town read.


Can I claim guilty on antihero? (I don't have one, but it sounds like he wants one).

[Cheery Dog]

so before this anti wagon goes through

does anyone else think mollie/eagle could have been cross bussing?

Unless desp really sucks at scum, I'm not sure his only scumread would be of a partner.

[Cheery Dog]

Mollie they're right. If UT is scum then Waffles must be scum. Therefor etc.

Which in turn makes me scum according to gamma's message?

right...

Mollie's lack of making sense means she is still scum and there was weird bussing going on, so yay!

VOTE: Mollie

[Cheery Dog]

I'm assuming that you believe waffles' claim?

Yeah it seems really needlessly complex and think-ahead-y to be bullshit, plus that claim... good lord, the draft mechanic + the claim just seems like too much for them to make up

So you have your too "want deads" on people who today have apparently been confirmed town?

[Cheery Dog]

wait how are you confirmed cheery?

By gamma's message - assuming that it is made from someone's hidden knowledge.
It's only apparent in that regard. I've always been confirmed town in my personal opinion.

i got a message from someone in the game that says that waffles and cheery are the same alignment

[Cheery Dog]

well this has been fucking painful to read

so eaglekit claimed a cop guilty on mollie. now that they flipped scum how are we going to analyze that?

I say we lynch her.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm not sure Iecerint really counts as voting on EagleKit, He wasn't pushing it and his role had him hammer.

[Cheery Dog]

Actually, why is it bad to vote him for being a specific category of people? You just throw that out there like it's this assumed negative thing. He never voted for scum.

Let me fix this then. (Even though mollie and/or anti/nuwen are probably still scum)

VOTE: Your New Gay Overlords

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery, can you kindly explain to me how you went from "mollie isn't scum" in 2350 at the beginning of the Day to "mollie is probably scum" in 2515 yesterday?

I went not scum due to eaglekit faking a guilty on her.
I then went back into believing she scum because she's still playing scummy. (also a marathon happened in this time frame where scum guiltied their buddy and made me rethink how much I was willing to gamble on just going opposite of what flipped scum fakeclaimed)

[Cheery Dog]

So, just to verify. With Eagle-scum and mollie-scum, you think:

It's D2, Eagle's bussing mollie and mollie is voting you. Your wagon and mollie's wagon are both at effective L-2, and mollie-scum sees a proto-wagon on Eagle for no reason other than that Eagle's being a lurker, and decides to jump on that rather than push yours?

Well I don't consider she had any reason to actually be on mine.
I don't really understand anything to do with the wagon that was on me, so I'm just ignoring it's previous existence.

[Cheery Dog]

Well, rephrase then: mollie decides to abandon your L-2 wagon to bus her buddy's L-5 wagon instead?

It a L-3 wagon at the time.

Bugger if I know, but I can settle with not lynching mollie yet.

[Cheery Dog]

I thought the town had already figured out the game. It was just going to be a matter of sheeping smartly.

Then why aren't you sheeping anyone if you think this is the case?

[Cheery Dog]

I think it's unlikely that they bussed both days (especially if it's 4 mafia like most? of the people here think besides reck). Moreover I think it's unlikely that it's Gamma or iec since then they'd have both bussed the same way both days, scum would be too self conscious about patterns in that case.

I still don't consider iec an actual vote on the eaglekit wagon, so I'm finding it weird you're able to rule him out because of it.

I don't really care when scum is unlikely to actually have his role. (and I don't think he was bussing AD either)

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery Dog -- Never voted for scum. Flip flops on mollie and it's gross. Pure OMGUS on me after I went after him.

You do not get to invent reasons because you still somehow believe there is no reasons for you being wagoned.

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery Dog -- Never voted for scum. Flip flops on mollie and it's gross. Pure OMGUS on me after I went after him.

You do not get to invent reasons because you still somehow believe there is no reasons for you being wagoned.

No, you're right, Axxle gave reasons earlier and that's about it. You, however, said:

Actually, why is it bad to vote him for being a specific category of people? You just throw that out there like it's this assumed negative thing. He never voted for scum.

Let me fix this then. (Even though mollie and/or anti/nuwen are probably still scum)

VOTE: Your New Gay Overlords

And that's about it. Note the complete lack of reasons in this post? Note that you just call me scum and vote me after I've been pushing for your lynch for a few pages? Note that literally the only thing one can derive from these two statements is that yes, it is pure OMGUS?

Someone obviously doesn't know how to read.

[Cheery Dog]

Someone obviously doesn't know how to read.

Cherry, it's ok to repeat yourself if people don't understand you the first time. Please, go ahead.

The quotes right there on this page even.

[Cheery Dog]

self depricating "oh we could be lynching between ME AND OTHER PEOPLE SEE HOW TOWN THIS IS" and it was weird.

Isn't this exactly what oyu were doing when you picked the three people that haven't been on a scum lynch yet?

[Cheery Dog]

nonono anti don't be scum

VOTE: anti

Goddammit mollie I'm trying to avoid wanting you lynched today.

[Cheery Dog]

better question is why you want to lynch mollie in the first place ._.

I think I had some resemblance to reasoning on day 2. It's probably gone to something resembling confirmation bias now.

It has been countered by interactions with flipped scum.

[Cheery Dog]

@ cheery what was your response to these posts?

How did you miss that one reponse? have a quote of it

I still don't see a need to respond to them. I'm not going to argue that I believe I am playing exactly the same I don't even remember how I played said game.

He was also CLEARLY lying when he claimed that he'd suggested Faraday's avatar AS A TEST. Uh...you realize that's the scumslip answer, since town!you shouldn't have realized that the avatar is town?

Why the hell are you bringing this crap up again? If you want to call be scummy, at least bring up something relevant to the f-ing game.

[Cheery Dog]

so in other words you never responded to what mala said? so would you say that you had been acting strangely in the 2 games that mala referenced?

usually when some1 lies about another person's meta town usually gets pretty indignant about it. I am not seeing it here. at all.

VOTE: cheery

There is

nothing

to respond to about someone reading my previous meta "weirdly". I don't recall how I acted in any of my past games. My belief is that I stay relatively the same, but no?

so you think cheery would be helpful this game? how so?

Mollie I believe you've stated before, that the first time you played with me you wanted me dead as I was able to calculate things out, even if I'm not able to push in forward that hard (aka figure you were scum in that game - I may have added the second bit, as it's where I believe my game falls). Why is that not still valid?

If you think it's a good argument, you're limiting the claim pool to Jordan, Cheery, maaaaaybe Axxle?, which is, see, the lynch pool as it is without the mass claim.

So Jordan?
Unless you're saying Gamma's claim is as believable as useful as his breadcrumb/message yesterday?

VOTE: Jordan

I'm going to assume we actually get around to lynching mollie scum when my vote isn't on the wagon, seeing as I've been missing off all the other wagons.

[Cheery Dog]

You could, but it wouldn't turn out well. Was he scum? I have been itching to lynch him in retribution for one he got over on me a few games ago.

I am not reading the thread, just saying. Did my pred claim miller yet? Cause I'm totes that.

p-edit- Ythan, I can't adequately respond to that statement yet for obvi reasons.

Wait I was on a scum lynch?

I was about to come and say stuff about jordan being the better lynch, because Fate had been sitting in my "idc pile" and then jordan did nothing.

But another terrible fakeclaim means I don't have to.

Also be proud the cat didn't escape again.

[Cheery Dog]

3-shot Cop + JOAT + Dayvig/Nightvig + BG is where the bulk of the actual town power comes from, which scum all have ways to deal with. So sure there was a few ~additional powers~ but most work as either alignment. Scum just made bad fakeclaims.

I don't think any of the additional powers actually got used, so that is quite correct. (besides the hammerer negative utility)