The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[pirate mollie]

hi guyz

whats on

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: eaglekit

Mollie, laugh if you're scum.

VOTE: cdb

thats mina's tell not mine

[pirate mollie]

Damn Mollie calling shit out

you know I love you both but I probably spend an inordinate time being paranoid about you 2!

[pirate mollie]

I agree they are terrible overlords MEBBE WE SHOULD LYNCH THEM

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VOTE: cdb

thats mina's tell not mine

I caught you with that exact phrase at the meet! It was on my list of memorable things that I submitted for this game. I guess it wasn't that memorable though.

Anyway UNVOTE: eaglekit, VOTE: ActionDan, everyone hop on, choo choo

then why the heck would you move your vote from me if you thought it was a legit scumtell?

VOTE: cdb a quadrillion times over

[pirate mollie]

Mollie do you think you're OBVIOUSLY scum so far or just reasonably scummy?

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Also fuck you, AngryPidgeon, you know red is scum.

Ooh. Explain the context behind this quote?

Traditionally when we play face to face mafia, red cards are town and black cards are scum. But whenever AngryPidgeon would moderate a game, he would make red the scum cards and black the town cards just to fuck with people.

Then I got my role PM this game and immediately assumed we were scum because it was red, then I read the whole thing, and realized the PMs were just AngryPidgeon fucking with people just like he does in the other games.

I DID TOO!!!!!

thinking gaylords are town

[pirate mollie]

motherfucker you're probably SK

do you know who obsesses about sks it is scum that is who

fos ut

[pirate mollie]

unvote, vote UT

let's lynch UT for calling out reck as an SK and not scum!

town

[pirate mollie]

The fact you were the butt of the joke makes it less suspicious that you picked up on the flavour with only partial information. But I need to double-check something with the mods.

Faraday, what made you decide to use the eleven of hearts instead of the image ActionDan linked to?

wat the hell is the point of this question

[pirate mollie]

The fact you were the butt of the joke makes it less suspicious that you picked up on the flavour with only partial information. But I need to double-check something with the mods.

Faraday, what made you decide to use the eleven of hearts instead of the image ActionDan linked to?

I have no idea why this hydra chose the eleven of hearts! (We also briefly had the black one, but I said hearts would be better!)

Anyway UNVOTE: eaglekit, VOTE: ActionDan, everyone hop on, choo choo

then why the heck would you move your vote from me if you thought it was a legit scumtell?

VOTE: cdb a quadrillion times over

is this an actual post in an actual game? because holy shit there's WOOSH and then there's WOOOOOOOSH? and I don't think either fits here but mollie's fake scumhunting cdb and it hella owns.

Mollie do you think you're OBVIOUSLY scum so far or just reasonably scummy?

^scummy[/quote]

I am not going to fix your broken quote but what the hell is wrong with you like fucking for realz

[pirate mollie]

That's the least town thing I've posted, particularly if you've missed enough of the context to think it's silly. Why am I town for it?

I haven't missed any context. You may have posted townier things but that's the post of yours that was most recent when I was typing a reaction to the mollie thing so that's the one that got a comment. I don't think an explanation of why it makes you town would make up for the time spent typing in either scumhunting benefit or fun.

did you just call me a thing

DID YOU JUST CALL ME A THING CDB

I would like an explanation cos I don't think they look town

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Mollie - do you feel out of step and not recognizing things in the context of the game and what's been said? Cuz you feel like that to me.

fuck you tammy you don't even know what the hell I mean when I use that tell

pretty sure I am not the 1 out of step pretty sure you are

have you just resigned to be scum and have decided to just troll? that usually means you are being bussed!

[pirate mollie]

How do you react to post 103 but not 100, mollie? I think you're ginormously obvtown by now so it would be great if you could do something more productive with your vote.

I can't decide if I want to vote waffles or ut

my vote is the only 1 on you settle petal I will move it when I am ready

and I don't respond to every post what are they again I will go look

[pirate mollie]

oh

I AM SORRY CDB I WON'T IGNORE YOU AGAIN BUT I LIKED THAT POST THAT IS WHY I DID NOT RESPOND!!!!

[pirate mollie]

unvote, vote UT

let's lynch UT for calling out reck as an SK and not scum!

town

explain

body of work so far wrt scumhunting + I thought the same when I read your post. town moves in herds

I could weird especially if kittymo continues with this whole dumb trajectory on me cos it makes me wonder if kittymo is trying to fake her f2f meta but so far feeling townvibes

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But sure, if you are THAT CONFUSED.

You claim that cdb shouldn't have taken his vote off you if he thought you were scum though as far as I can tell he never voted you.

Apparently you missed the entire red black card conversation or you wouldn't have asked Mina the question about why Faraday changed his card. I mean it's a really really obvious reason she asked if you take into consideration the red black conversation.

HOLY SHIT WTF

I DIDN'T ASK MINA ABOUT WHY FARA CHANGED HIS CARD I ASKED WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE QUESTION COS IT WAS PRETTY DUMB AND HAD NO VALUE I MEAN DOES SHE THINK SHE IS GOING TO GET HIS ALIGNMENT FROM THAT

VOTE: waffles

[pirate mollie]

I could weird especially if kittymo continues with this whole dumb trajectory on me cos it makes me wonder if kittymo is trying to fake her f2f meta but so far feeling townvibes

zee irony.

I am not sure you really know what word means...

see, irony would have to imply that I am faking my f2f meta by voting for the same person in every game and well we have never played f2f mafia and in forum mafia I have not trolleytracked on you when you have been town in forum mafia and I have done neither with mina SO YOUR FANTASTICALLY BRILLIANT POINT IS WHAT EXACTLY??????

[pirate mollie]

so mollie, are you at any point planning to stop acting like an angry person on pms because the hostility that's dripping from your posts since entering this game is ridiculous. Saying "fuck you" for asking you a question about how you feel and your whole demeanor is not only off putting but feels really fake. Quite frankly I have no desire or intention to interact with you until you calm down.

But, thank you for voting for me, I do so much appreciate it!

are you going to cry about it so that every1 can feel bad and not lynch you?

^ see that was a bit hostile! just so you have a frame of reference.

I have seen you say "fuck you", tammy? so why is it bothering you now? where did this new found sensitivity come from? I am not going to quake in the face of your tawdry attempts to emotionally manipulate me nope it isn't going to work!!!!

in other newz I got 2 new pets today!!! a dog and a cat (their owners couldn't keep them anymore and did not want to send them to the pound and neither did I!!!) the cat we were "cat sitting" for (her owner has not checked back with us since august but I am giving it a year before I call the tailless kitty our own) and the 2 cats are having a standoff they are perched on either side of the tv and are giving each other baleful looks and occasionally growl at each other and hiss at each other and the dog is like wtf is your problem and tries to lick them and then they gang up on the dog until they realise they are on the same side then they freak and run to their spots it is pretty funny!

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, your anger towards Waffles and me seems OTT. I think you're misrepresenting my f2f meta as I don't actually recall mislynching town-you at any point after my secondish day at the meet. Am I wrong?

except I am not angry???

you are wrong if this is kittymo

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Nope, not gonna cry today.

It's bothering me because there's no reason for it. I don't just tell people to fuck off or say fuck you for no reason, I mean maybe I do sometimes but I do have reasons. I certainly don't do it when someone asks me a question because they're trying to determine my alignment, and quite frankly if I do, I'm probably pissed off.

so are you are saying that you say "fuck you" only when you are pissed off? cos I use it as mafia banter and I think most people do. that is what is weird is you taking offence to the degree you took it! also I would think you would know this about me so this seeming "offensiveness" seems ill-placed.

I'm not trying to emotionally manipulate anyone, I don't have any need to. I don't get your reaction to me asking you about being out of step because you did and you do still feel out of step with the game. It's like we're playing two different ones here.

so....where did you first start to use "out of step" as a scumhunting tool of yours? cos you have never used it before and as far as I know I am the only 1 who uses except nacho.

mollie <---- not out of step

You asked the question about Mina asking faraday a question about the cards, which you know you asking that question is just as stupid because what alignment relevant information do you think you would get from her about that question? And any question especially in the early game is perfectly fine because it gets people interacting and that's a good thing. And she had a really valid reason for asking the question.

for reference this is the question that mina asked:

The fact you were the butt of the joke makes it less suspicious that you picked up on the flavour with only partial information. But I need to double-check something with the mods.

Faraday, what made you decide to use the eleven of hearts instead of the image ActionDan linked to?

she was asking why fara decided to use the 11 of H instead of the avvie that danny supplied and no I don't get why she would ask that question if she was genuinely trying to figure out the 11people's alignment. it is a weird angle that only makes sense if you knew their alignment to begin with

I'm just super confused about your whole take on this game if you're town because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Mina was ridiculously obviously town in the first few pages of the game, and I'm surprised you didn't see that. You pride yourself on being able to differentiate between mindsets, and for you to come away from reading her whole thing about the cards and getting paranoid and thinking she had caught Reck, and then realizing that actually he had probably town slipped was incredibly town. Then if you're following her whole train of thought, and I jumped in and asked the same question to Faraday because we both noticed the same thing. His card went from black to red. Here the scum are black and the town are red. Like, even if you don't like the question, how you can't see the town motivation in asking that question is beyond me.

no mina was not obvtown. the misstep you guys had was that you seemed to miss as to why reck mentioned it in the first place and yeah until reck pointed *colours* and why he was at first confused is when I caught on but you guyz hadn't and then you tried to mischaracterize what I said and say that I was out of step when this is not a scumhunting tool that you use (as far as I know) and that it was clearly you guyz who were the 1s out of step?

I am trying to work out if projection is a scumtell or not

So, yes, because you didn't pick up on that and instead focused on a question that makes so much sense in the context of the conversation that followed felt really out of step coming from you. I, additionally thought your CDB vote was odd based on the reasoning you provided not matching the thread.

my cdb vote makes sense. I am guessing he is not scum tho???

Your then reaction to me saying you felt out of step was to yell at me that I felt out of step.

my reaction to you was to say this is not a scumhunting tool that you use but 1 that you know that I do so wtf are you trying to misapply it against me?

exploit prior beliefs = scummeh

This makes no sense whatsoever either. Why didn't you ask me why you felt that way to me? Why the weird immediate aggression?

cos I am not sure you know what I mean by rhythm play. for you to use this as a scumhunting tool is weird in that it is not in your toolbox as far as I have seen. would you care to walk me through the progression of when you decided it was?

Also, I'd love for you to provide the context for the trolling means I'm being bussed accusation. The only even semi trolling I've done in this game was trolling Mina/Faraday with my first post and Faraday in my second, and those two are pretty good indications of me being town so.

not really

Who is bussing us in this game? The overlords are the only ones voting us, and you've declared them town. (We agree they look very town.) When have I been bussed and just decided to troll a game?[/vote]

so how do you feel about 11?

also, the irony is you saying someone else has a dumb trajectory on you and that it could potentially be suspicious to you while you're having a dumb trajectory on us.

you are trying to use a scumtell on me on a scumtell that I regularly use. when have you used this as a scumtell?

it breaks down when you look at context and the pushes you are applying. <-----not town

the languaging is weird for you and the emo push is scum you

no matter how you try to spin it

I'm glad you got new pets though Also, just so you know, voting us is actually voting for my cat.

DON"T MAKE ME VOTE YOUR CAT

but you will cos you are scum guyz are scumzorz

[pirate mollie]

this game makes me think that N was right and that most people like to play scum

ok well that was a faraday post and can be kinda town and mina's town....



Can we lynch Triforce yet is what I'm asking

this post makes me sad cos fate is missing obvscumwaffles

but he has a point with triforce with 3 heads and a name with such impetus it is a wonder why they are being quiet!

[pirate mollie]

Oh look fate reading me wrong again

Insert photographic history of Fate being utter crap at reading me here

Anybody wanna lynch him d1 I feel like it'd be fun and also stop him before he does too much damage

I don't want to lynch fate I think we should lynch waffles, scumread on both heads

plz help

[pirate mollie]

also i have little to no interest in trying to parse this shit with pirate mollie/eleven/waffles because it just looks like a bunch of urination everywhere and idc about it

there's

probably

scum in there somewhere but icba to figure it out

Pie's a tricksy little hobbit but I dont' wanna lynch it yet

you aren't town either are you

[pirate mollie]

see because if I think about it for two seconds, you get this:

- eleven votes you for calling reck SK > scum
- mollie says they're town
- you ask her to explain, implying "how is that town?", implying you have a scumread
- you then ask kitty if she's tunneling + refusing to participate, which IIRC she did as town a lot (although I don't remember a lot of her f2f games except the ones where she was scum and had nervous-tics)

so the implications I'm seeing contradict each other.

and you're probably gonna say I'm wrong and this is a waste of my time, so yeah, it's probably better that I don't think.

pedit: ok
pedit2: ok

I no longer think 11 is town their attack is fucking forced as hell. well, 1's attack the other 1 said I was obnoxiously town

[pirate mollie]

if I can find 1 town I will be happy. just 1

is that too much to ask

JUST 1 FUCKING TOWN READ THAT I CAN STICK WITH AND BELIEVE IN

FUCKING A IT WAS 73 DEGREES YESTERDAY AND NOW IT IS SNOWING

[pirate mollie]

pie if you are town can we have a powwow

[pirate mollie]

I am looking at you fate!

waffles is for sure scum. like really really scum

[pirate mollie]

just read the posts in Mollies voice you are doing that right?

[pirate mollie]

I cant actually ever remember you having a read and being that convicted about it but I'm going to trust Faraday's read for now

mine is better

[pirate mollie]

you've already seen that CDB is scum Mollie work with me here

I don't think he is anymore.

waffles are scum I am pretty freaking sure about that

eta: then what is the point of playing

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: CDB

Waffles seems town to me. I don't understand why she's asking some of her questions, but most are coming from a town frame of mind from what I can tell.

but they aren't!

mina's questions are pointless and lemme ask are her questions usually pointless???

I don't think they are. and tammy is being a name that I will not call her she is going for hardcore manipulation which she has done as scum before

[pirate mollie]

Also re: Mollie/Waffles,

Mollie looks fairly townish, but is posting irrationally. Waffles is taking irrational to be scummy and attacking it accordingly, which is causing mollie to become increasingly reactionary and irrational. Insert spiral of distraction and doom and one of them eating a bullet just to end the madness here. Not sure on Waffles' alignment yet, it kind of depends on ~things~ but it's something we're monitoring.

the flaw with this reasoning is that it isn't in accordance with either of those heads scumhunting. there are *reasons* why I think they are scum.

I think it is bullshit and it pretty much renders scumhunting them as ineffectual and I really didn't get there with that until they pushed a sore point. and yes I think they would do this as scum.

[pirate mollie]

This message is hidden because the waffle creatures are on your lame self-censorship list.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie being arrogant about her read(s) doesn't seem surprising.

Nice shot Ythan. Hey, eaglekit

why was that a good shot by ythan?

[pirate mollie]

What do you think that question will tell you about my alignment? Gonna not answer just in case ur trying to TRAP ME.

tbqh I was thinking that you and waffles were scum together!

[pirate mollie]

Oh mollie mollie. I came across this post earlier and thought you might be town:

if I can find 1 town I will be happy. just 1

is that too much to ask

JUST 1 FUCKING TOWN READ THAT I CAN STICK WITH AND BELIEVE IN

FUCKING A IT WAS 73 DEGREES YESTERDAY AND NOW IT IS SNOWING

I mean you can say this as scum, and I suppose if you're trying to burn your town meta it's something you would say, but it felt somewhat townish. Mina and I talked about it to and she saw the possibility except she's having a bigger problem than I am coming to terms with your posting and reads so far this game. Her big problem is that to her you've seemed somewhat more collected than you do here because the reasoning for your scum read on us makes no literal sense whatsoever and doesn't actually look like you're trying to read either of our heads. Mina's questions weren't pointless; you might not have understood where she was coming from but that doesn't make them pointless. If you can't see the burgeoning paranoia in her question to faraday then I don't know what to tell you, but considering that you tend towards paranoia that lends itself to moon logic at times, I'm surprised you didn't sense what was there.

This makes me more concerned about you because it feels like you decided that you were going to push us as scum and have warped your entire narrative around that goal even though it doesn't make a lick of sense. You're not recognizing the things that should make you doubt that sure fire scum read you have on both of our heads and you don't feel like you're actually reading the game and trying to parse alignments. The things you missed is similar to you missing things in the Mario bros game where you were out of step there too because you didn't pick up on town tells in the game because you didn't have a town role pm so you missed the narrative.

And I mean, did you actually use as a scum reasoning for me that I used a phrase you don't think is in my toolbox? That has got to be the most convoluted crap I've heard. I probably don't mean the same thing you do when you say it, but I'm pretty sure I remember in Skype one day you saying you thought we scumhunted in a similar way or had a similar playstyle or something so idont get this how dare you use a phrase I've never heard you say because only nacho and I use it. And if something has creeped into my toolbox that nacho uses, perhaps it's because we hydra together and have talked quite a bit. I'm pretty sure there are things I've drawn from everyone I've hydrad with. (See faraday don't you want to hydra with me now even if I don't sing for you? You can impact my scumhunting.

are you still reading my wall?

)

I'm not really going to respond to anything else from that wall because I found so much of it contrived and this wall is already big enough and if you can't realize I'm town by the time you finish reading this post, then you never will and me pointing out why none of that made sense will help in that regard.

But I do want to know why you sidestepped this question:

Also, I'd love for you to provide the context for the trolling means I'm being bussed accusation.

Who is bussing us in this game? The overlords are the only ones voting us, and you've declared them town. (We agree they look very town.) When have I been bussed and just decided to troll a game?

You keep talking as if you have authority for my scum game, but you throw out nuggets like this as if this is something that has happened and is happening in this game, and I can't for the life of me figure out where you're getting this Tammy scum meta. I mean sure your other part is right, I have, in fact, manipulated people as scum. Who hasn't? I'm not manipulating anyone in this game and my posts haven't even slightly been manipulative.

I think I would just feel so much better about you in all of this if I saw a hint of paranoia because I'd be able to recognize that as town with a bad read, but when I read you, your stuff just feels contrived.

Also, while looking for you pirate case to show Mina that sometimes you do go a bit irrational as town, I came across this:

Re: Tammy. I'm not good at reading her. But, she seems pretty emotional this game, moreso than in the one I was in with her as scum. But, like she said, her posting tone correlates with her mood sometimes, so it's probably not necessarily alignment indicative.

Something about this post below bothers me for some reason though, but I can't figure out why:

Spoiler:

omg mollie's Post 358 is something I can empathize with so much but in inverse, if that makes sense. I'm no good at day one; I find day one's a lot of noise and more games than not I feel like shit about my reads because I feel like I put the puzzle together better when there are pieces flipped. This means that some games I take a back seat role and look at how the arguments play out to see what makes sense, but in some games I feel like it makes sense right away. And my game is really largely dependent on my mood first.

I was telling empire not too long ago that I wanted to change my meta because I felt like what people expected from me was actually causing a distraction in games because people aren't actually reading me based on what I say in games but in really superficial things that are partially alignment aligned but are also mood aligned. So for instance, no I don't always joke around and be exciting at the start of the game. If I do, I'm almost definitely town, but if I don't, I might just not be in the mood. I'm getting a bit tired of people pushing me for reactions instead of looking at what I'm saying, which I think is way more relevant than anything ever. I mean I get that it might be amusing for people to just try to make me mad, but I don't think that makes an enjoyable or productive game, so I've pledged to do my best to not react to unwarranted suspicion until people start reading what I'm actually saying, especially when they aren't people who have bothered to understand me enough to see where I'm coming from.

I realize this might get me a few mislynches in the near future, but I'm considering it an experiment and hope it will help.

/complete weird tangent

That's you not only saying you don't know how to read me, but is also showing you actually trying. I'd like to know how you go from not knowing how to read me to being so super sure your right on your read here? We have no completed games since that game that would make you have a revelation, and the game we played on Skype a few days ago had you quick voting me in lylo when I was town. I'd like to know why you're not actually trying to read me here.

And what makes you so confident, you feel certain enough to reply to this the way you did:

I cant actually ever remember you having a read and being that convicted about it but I'm going to trust Faraday's read for now

mine is better

What makes you think you're better at reading us than faraday? Also unless I'm misreading, he called our slot obnoxiously town. You know how nacho is pretty damn good at reading me? Yeah, faradays better. (Look faraday I'm buddying you!)

Anyway, this wall has been bigger than I meant it to be and I lost a good chunk of what I wrote trying to submit it when the thread was locked and now I can't remember what I said but I'm sure it was better than this! Basically this boils down to me thinking I see glimmers of you as town but I also have issues with seeing you as town because it doesn't feel like you're actually trying to read people, but I also am having trouble seeing scum you so doggedly asking people to vote for us especially when you know how unlikely it is to go through, but I have had scum attacking me for weird things lately and you have ny backup in that regard because it feels like that to me. I know I might not be the most objective about this but it doesn't feel like a town attack, so if you are town can you make it obvious, please?

I did indeed read this. (finally)

you totally misrepped what penny said and it was a vague attempt to emulate what I said? it was a misrep on an epic scale cos what you are quoting was not being said by whom you are assigning them to. and penny was scum in that game and so were you.

I guess you are the bigger bitch cos I don't follow the road that you are on.

/gg I guess

[pirate mollie]

taking a step back

[pirate mollie]

I guess you are the bigger bitch

Alright, Im going to call this a universal warning for everyone. No personal attacks. I will force replace.

am I allowed to call myself a bitch

[pirate mollie]

jheahHhHEHAHAHAHAHAH


THE BAIT HAS ARRIVED AND THE BAIT HAS BEEN MOTHER FUCKIN TAKEN


NO

WAY

I

AM

LYNCHING

EAGLEKIT

I think there is a good chance those eagle things are scum tho

still think waffles is scum. I mean tammy flat out LIED in the post where she quoted my hydra that wasn't me she quoted who said they couldn't read her it was bert I scumread tammy the entire time that game but bert fell for her fake crying just like nacho did

I think cdb might be town

[pirate mollie]

Also don't really think eaglekit's posts were like actually scummy but just there. Actually kind of surprised that mollie didn't freak out @ their vote or call them out on it or just do anything given how obviously prickly she has been.

yeah I mean I guess I should be okay with some1 who was not even at the reckoning barging into a game, snarkily tries to misapply my own scumhunting tool against me, then

LIES

by attributing a post saying that they couldn't read her to me when I actually have a good track record of reading them (anything goes [waffles], red wedding, asofai) I mean WTF IS WRONG WITH ME HOW DARE I GET PISSED WHEN SOME1 LIES ABOUT ME WHAT WAS I THINKING

but she will probably get away with it and not get lynched by fake outraging which is what she did in too many heads

oh well

[pirate mollie]

None of that really explains your irrational spazzing out, but you're kind of annoying to interact with so I'm just going to not bother.

I spazzed out cos it seemed deliberately catty. it is a phrase that I use all of the time cos the bulk of how I play is rhythm play. I have even used it to catch scum tammy before altho I wasn't able to get her lynched. it is a sore point with me because I have a really hard time articulating what I am seeing and I struggle in games. tammy knows all of this so I got reactive cos I don't like it when people try to be deliberately mean to me. no1 does! how would you respond if you felt some1 was being mean to you?

I AM sorry for spazzing out on you kittymo but I was feeling ganged up on by you 2 and I am already raw around the edges for *reasons*.

also add misrepping my meta to the list of the reasons as to why I think they are likely scum.

I remember after my third game on this site a pm exchange i had with thorella after the game. scum were sledging the fuck out of me and I was losing my mind. it was a good pm exchange, I always learn a lot from thorella. he suggested that I stop and ask myself, "why is this person trying to upset me?" and that is what I try to do but I get really rattled when I feel like some1 is trying to bait me and react negatively. nacho, desperado, bert and mac all know this so they are pretty good about drawing fire away from me, but I still need to learn how to respond and not lash out.

if this is all a big misunderstanding then I will feel pretty retarded but to me it felt like tammy was deliberately trying to bait me and in some ways still is. it messes up my reads but I am trying to look at the game from different angles and see which 1 makes the most sense. tammy's behaviour makes sense coming from scum it makes no sense coming from town and I know as scum she will go for the heavy emotional manipulation and I feel like that is what I am seeing.

does this explain things?

[pirate mollie]

What the fuck is it with pirate mollie and my hydra partners?

I've been admittedly pretty disengaged so far (in part because hydraing with Tammy gives me some leeway to be lazy). Now I'll start taking the reins a bit more, since Tammy is only staying in this slot because she's too nice to replace out.

For that reason, I find someone scumreading me for my early posts plausible...if that someone was incapable of following the plot and missed I was practically confirmed town for the underlying reasons behind, e.g., my questions to Cheery Dog.

I did tell Tammy it was better if she responded herself, but in retrospect, we shouldn't have taken the bait. Because now it's easy to dismiss this as "two emotional people yelling at each other." There's actual weird shit about mollie's play that I'd have liked to engage with her on, but she's acting in a way that discourages anyone from touching her with a ten-foot pole.

Sorry to everyone for our part in the drama.

~Mina (only a few of the RVS posts have been mine)

*breathes into paper bag*

what is weird about my play? and your lack of engagement has a lot to do with why I am scumreading you guys. your questions didn't seem to have a direction nor did they seem like you were trying to determine any1's alignment by asking them.

this is an honest to god reach out btw

[pirate mollie]

I've delibatirely tried to bait a bunch of people this game and am town? In fact mine is like, super obvious? I don't really think your scum given your complete off the wall reaction to them, but I also think you're misreading tammy - it doesn't look to me like she was trying to bait you at all? I mean, whatever, she is just step away and let them scumhunt and fakescumhunt, and come back to it later.

Anyway, I suggest you ignore their slot for a bit, because it's not making the game super fun and there's a bunch of other people for you to interact with.

(Oh, most of the posts you felt ganged up on were me, I thought pushing you early could help me figure your alignment out, I think I've a good read on you now, but uh, yah.)

I think the difference is that you do it in a way that makes sense. I felt that tammy was trying to bait me by using a phrase that I use when I scumhunt (I have used it with her) but it did not seem genuine? cos that was all that was there and I don't think I am out of step at

all

. I know that there was a bunch of xposting and that it might be a big misunderstanding but I still lean scummy on that slot.

and I will ignore them but if mina is town I would like to work with her but mebbe now is not the best time?

I think cdb might actually be scum going back to why I thought he was scum in the first place. I think the eagle things are too but some1 else will have to scumhunt mala. desp is legitimately IRL he is hardly ever online nowadays. I am townreading pie I think.

[pirate mollie]

*sigh*

Mina (and everyone), last thing I'll say, promise.

Mollie - I wasn't being deliberately mean. I don't even think I have a *deliberately mean* bone in my body; I'm way too empathetic for that kind of thing. I had a scum read on you and was trying to determine your alignment. That was my way of explaining what felt off about you.

If you go back and read both of my walls to you, or heck any of my posts to you, with the mindset of someone who is trying to explain to you what they are thinking, not only about how they are reading and seeing you, but how you're interpreting them, maybe you'll see where I'm coming from. I'm just still rather shocked that you could read the last paragraph of that post I wrote you last night and come away thinking I'm baiting you.

Anyway, I was still pretty convinced you were scum until Post 416 so it's whatever, but if you're reading me in the way you've been describing me you're coming away with the complete wrong impression of anything I've done so far.

Faraday - I'm sure we'll do something else soon, now that I'm pretty sure mollie's town I can stop being distracted by that. Also, I'm going to step back anyway and reset.

tammy if you are town I never want you to shut up. ever

and yes on some level I still feel like you were baiting me! feelings aren't facts and if you are scum this is really sleazy play! call me scumburned or butthurt or whatever. call me names but plz don't misrepresent me or my play which I think is what you are doing.

if you are town then I am sorry you are the recipient of a mollietrolleytrack and it is hard for me to knock myself out of. like I am really sorry for that if you are town.

you wall as scum and it isn't that I am only scumreading 1 head it is 2. <--- I can't seem to shake this.

I am trying to do a hard reset too fwiw but gahhh

we will do our own thing I guess

eta: xposting

[pirate mollie]

but she will probably get away with it and

not get lynched by fake outraging

which is what she did in too many heads

but that's not what happened though

that is exactly what happened in too many heads

VOTE: eaglekit

[pirate mollie]

Faraday, some of your paranoia of me reads as fake. It's not like our slot is any harder to read (at least, for you) if Tammy is doing most of the posting.

I like, typed out a bunch of responses to this and kept deleting them because your post was annoying, since you've spent most of your fucking time interacting with mollie, while not actually scumhunting and I think tammy's most distinctive towntell is the carefree way she scumhunts as town. (I also, could see her just getting pretty pissed with mollie's tone regardless, I know it annoyed me even when i townread her), so I was wanting to make sure because I think. I've also no reason to get paranoid of a tammy slot as scum, but oh my god i'd totally say that as scum I'm an evil mastermind who can't be townread because holy shit my scum game doesn't completely suck!! woah. Also your paranoia of my paranoia looks fake. or something. I felt i had to add a joke to make this sound nicer =]


Anyway, now that;s thats off my chest plz vote actiondan tyvm.



I don't realy know what to think of eagle btw, but I think I like the votes on them less than I like them? So I'm just gonna like ignore that for now and hope mala and desp post more soonish cos funfunfun.

Pedit: That avatar is awful you got there, N.

Huh, axxle posting reminds me of cheery dog and stuff. Kittymo didn't like the bussing question at all, which I guess is weird in hindsight but I kind of ignored it at the time. Maybe I shouldn't or something, actually probably gonna like ignore it till tomorrow. yep.

still

[pirate mollie]

I'd like some real content from Prozac as I can't read him at all right now (and I'd like his vote off of Axxle, but.) Cheery looks kinda bad for the DeathNote vote and forced question to mollie. Fate is town as fuck though I'm a bit underwhelmed by the CDB wagon.

Which DeathNote vote, the one the mods missed or the one I placed because the mods had missed the first one?

My question to mollie regards why I'm currently voting her, it's matters a lot to how I may read her in the future and steps she takes in similar directions if those happen.

wat question

The fact this is from a hydra (presumably unsigned), makes me want to continue with my vote on Mollie. Although I can go with her assuming people can read who posts simply because she knows which posts she made herself, but the basis of this being part of her scumreadon Waffles is just a bit too far out there.

it was only explained 30,000,000,000,000,000,000 how to differentiate between my hydra partner and I, he capitalises. I don't except for "I".

you are scum aren't you

oh good grief

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: cheery dog

[pirate mollie]

also I am just going to open it up that in my role pm (I freaking hate doing this) there was a hint that this game might be multi-factional which explains why I have so few town reads.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, I do still want you to explain why you think I'm scum.

because it made no sense that after you caught me out as scum in f2f that you would double down in

this

game with your vote shift

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, I do still want you to explain why you think I'm scum.

because it made no sense that after you caught me out as scum in f2f that you would double down in

this

game with your vote shift

But I've already explained that that's not what's happening. I don't understand what thought process you think I was employing and why I'm more likely to be thinking that way than the simpler explanation of "it was a miscommunication" - let alone why that thought process is more likely to come from scum than town!

how was it a miscommunication? walk me through it pretty plz

you said mollie if you are scum plz laugh and I didn't but I said you were applying the mina tell on me and what I said is exactly what you caught me out as scum in f2f and you wonder why I am not wondering? you have a reason to scumread me and you aren't, yes it makes me jumpy

[pirate mollie]

I am not lynching cdb cos he is being nice to me. I am probably going to be pretty obstinate about his lynch too even tho I think he might be scum but he is scum we can keep around.

those eagle things are like for sure scum and so is cheery.

waffles does this look like town desperado/mala to you???????

I THINK NOT

[pirate mollie]

so

~ reads list ~

cos who knows I might actually be town

town

no1. not really. mebbe waffles mebbe 11 but I am unsure on them cos their early push felt bad. it was a gangbang and it felt premeditated on waffles part.

I

wish

I had town reads right now.

unsure

gay boyz - I think their early role pm thing might be town cos I thought the same thing. they are not interacting with me as much as I would expect them to as town tho.

fate - who the fuck knows but I am not lynching him today if ever

nuwen - fate says she is town!

triforce - they look awkward can we all agree on that? I don't feel singer at all in that hydra it feels like mostly glork mebbe quadz if it is he is scum I think but I am not committed.

gamma - is being weird but he does do this in games. there is also a point where he will shine if he is town I feel good about that

waffles - leap of faith in mebbe town read. if they are scum they are playing dirty

11 - I lean town cos of kittymo's appeal for fara not to curse. this might seem stupid to some people but it makes sense to me. if they are scum I will probably convalesce for a month.

cdb - I get the joke but not the vote shift. are you looking at me with scumcdb eyes????

I am tired now.

[pirate mollie]

I should have shot Mollie.

tbh I agree

/continues to passively suicide by chainsmoking

[pirate mollie]

11 - I lean town cos of kittymo's appeal for fara not to curse. this might seem stupid to some people but it makes sense to me. if they are scum I will probably convalesce for a month.

yeah, sorry, I got a little annoyed by his constant cursing. I'll try to keep that sort of stuff out of thread

should I buy bedding so that I can take to my bed (it is a southern expression)?

cos I don't want you to be scum

[pirate mollie]

Oh, you know what, never mind. I'm pretty sure we've had this exact sort of conversation before and I'm pretty sure we're both town. I'm just going to assume that you'll eventually come around and get on with other stuff.

if you are town then vote eaglekits

they are a stronger read than cheery sort of not really they are both freaking scummy!

VOTE: eaglekits

[pirate mollie]

town bloc

you know I am always trying to form those

[pirate mollie]

Nope, mollie, Dan is scummier. You know I don't go for blocs.

walk me through it cos idgi

[pirate mollie]

walk me through it cos idgi

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5723941

I agree with all of that except mebbe it is why he was a special?

did you just see that eagle things post and how can you find it not scummy

[pirate mollie]

danny feels less scummy than eagle people.

why are you on about this

[pirate mollie]

hey desp, got any thoughts on anything not related to mollie?

not a ton; she's the only read i feel strongly enough about to push

i do have a theory but it's developmental and not worth talking about right now

you feel strongly that I am scum?

it is worthy of talking about considering your vote

[pirate mollie]

you feel strongly that I am scum?

it is worthy of talking about considering your vote

yes

the theory isn't about you

then why are you voting me?

[pirate mollie]

I am not going to bang on about who was posting in the eagle creatures things but if it was desp he has a lot of explaining to do. mala always votes me as scum jesus christ she did it like over several times at the meet. much less than kittymo tho

eta: waffles and 11 are scum aren't they

[pirate mollie]

I think I will go back to passively suiciding

[pirate mollie]

How can you not obviously tell it's desperado posting?

mebbe cos he has not reached out to me but also cos his thing was not online when he supposedly was?

granted I told him to pay attention to that but he is voting me with no interaction and he is scum and tammy should know this

[pirate mollie]

I disagree I don't think he believes his push at all or he would be getting up in my face like he did in olympian.

it is fake as shit and I am not entirely sure it is desp and I am wondering how you and 11 are able to jump to the conclusion that it was

[pirate mollie]

like I am probably closer to desp more than anybody except formerfish and even I need a pause but you guys went with that it was desp?

why?

it can't be that mala has the flu cos eagle creatures were posting before then

[pirate mollie]

when she said she was going to work? weird

[pirate mollie]

so "desp" lol is going to vote me and not interact with me and you guys are just going to go along with it?

hey, I don't mind being lynched god can I be vig killed but can you plz pretend we have a wc to fulfill? that vote should be sending alarm bells unless desp has decided he is pissed at me for whatever reason. mebbe he will join in the "I hate pirate mollie" campaign there seems to be a bunch of takers

eta: where did he say that

[pirate mollie]

then he is freaking scum! no way would he come after me like this as town but I am sorry I am not entirely convinced it is desp! if it is then well words will be spoken for *reasons*.

[pirate mollie]

no way no how they are town I think they are scum.

VOTE: eagle creatures

[pirate mollie]

I think cheery is scum

so are those eagle creatures

trifecta's wking is something I don't know what to do with.

but I am pretty much putty in any1's hands who is nice to me so go figure

whdiuwgfysbgrdber

[pirate mollie]

YTHAN

do you have another vig shot

it is called FRUSTRATION

dihHshd2sm2ijhxd

eta: eagle creatures that sorry sad excuse for a desperado or cheery dog but who the fuck wants to lynch him on d1 cos we did that a lot of times in f2f and he was town but I think he is scum this game!

[pirate mollie]

how else am I supposed to talk to them????

odds are that 1 of us is scum and it isn't me

and I will find it funny if this meme becomes true!

also does that mean you are a werewolf cos that would fit

[pirate mollie]

I didn't know you were that solid

[pirate mollie]

so I am pretty sure that every1 is scum at this point.

even cdb but idc I am going to be his footstool regardless (I was going to say bitch but wasn't sure if the timing was right for the joke).

@ waffles

I have read what you have said wrt desp have slept on it and reread it again so don't think that what you say has no value to me.

in asofai I thought messiah was scum but didn't say it, I wanted to try to get him to bus his scummates. bad move I never expected to die so early.

I don't think he would tailor his scum game around me that much to the point where it would be obvious buddying. I think he would vote me out the gate which is what he did (if it is indeed desperado) and bulldoze it through.

[pirate mollie]

^ scum

[pirate mollie]

you haven't even tried to sort out my alignment so don't even

[pirate mollie]

is this because I lynched you in too many heads

cos it is the only thing that makes sense.

other than you being scum.

[pirate mollie]

cdb I am probably cling to you all game you and ut. I think ut is town.

yaye I think I have an anchor

I am thinking you might be right about danny he gets kind of lurky as scum and I can't remember a thing he has said

eta: ut I am not a thing!

[pirate mollie]

also the city while digging giant holes in my yard cut the cable line and I can't find my phone. I am at wild wings right now but my activity will be spotty until they get it fixed

[pirate mollie]

still haven't read over the pirate/mollie cataclysm in much detail but mollie's play seems really off from what i expected given her face to face play

her forum play is p different btw, to the point that i was surprised she didn't speak very often in f2f

I never knew what to say!

I am the same way in skype mafia

I don't I am that much different from online to IRL. I know a bunch of people said they were surprised that I was so laid back cos they thought I was going to be a stark raving bitch but I don't get that at all! I think I come across really differently when people can see my body language or read my face.

I am sorry but I am not understanding what is so hard to understand about me thinking that tammy was deliberately being mean to me. I STILL think she was being catty and comments that followed seem like it too. I am just going to let it go tho and wish every1 else would move on too.

I prefer to hydra cos having some1 to talk to helps ground me, but I didn't want to flood the game with hydras cos every1 always bitches about hydras in general but I really wanted nacho I even told singer about it way before this game began but I didn't think it was fair to bring in some1 who was not at the meet. oh well

anyways

I will probably wind up voting danny the only that I don't get is why did he shoot a miller that makes no sense as scum who does that

[pirate mollie]

still having connectivity problems now compounded by the ice storm

still thinking about working with cdb and voting action dan but I want to reread some things first

not going to respond to waffles posts

[pirate mollie]

Mollie what if I said I believe you now

I am just ignoring all of their baiting tho.

I am still having connectivity issues will hopefully be able to get on tomorrow and respond to some stuff

[pirate mollie]

I am camped out starbucks for the day. here is my readslist so far:

town

cdb - if he is scum I am going to

fly

to the uk to hit him with a pillow I mean this is a read I might not get weird on. ever.
prozack - seems genuine as fuck, I like where is head is it wrt the flow of the game. he seems to be trying to work things out and actually

paying attention

to what is going on in the game.
reck - I lean town on reck cos of the early red role pm thing cos I had the same initial reaction to the red ink I had to read it twice. (sorry fate)
iceyrent - I like some of his stances, the claim seems genuine.
fate - he just feels like fate to me, I am not seeing the same limp wristed scumplay as i did in the cross site game where he was scum with thorella. admittedly I am not that familiar with fate, I have only 1 completed game with him (we were both town) but he feels mebbe town and that is how I am treating him.

unsure need to sort

ut - what keeps him out of my town pile is his obsession with indies and that bizarre cult stuff. I am not sure if this is just a site meta clash or what. what is INTERESTING is that fate is doing the same thing but it just doesn't send the same alarm bells as it does with ut, I am not sure if it is cos I feel like fate is getting his hands dirtier outside the scope of indies or not, ut stands out more cos he seems more single focused with it. I have noticed that it is scum who worries about indies moreso especially on d1 since gives them a great wagon to hide on and obscures vca a bit.
nuwen - nuwen reminds me of a player offsite who I have been playing with for years (she even has a couple of completed games on here from a while ago) who doesn't really get warmed-up until d3. I liked her observation about ut and I like her observation/push on waffles. unsure leaning mebbe town but really need to see more of her.
gamma - I don't know! some things he has said that I agree with and I like that he was trying to take time to distinguish forum/f2f wrt me. but he is just so sneaky he will be hard to ever really trust.
inflatable pie - I remember thinking that I liked what he said but now I can't remember it. I will have to reread him. does reck's perfect read on gamma extend to forum mafia? I have noticed that reck has not been really vocal about him.

lean scum

waffles - *sigh*. it is frustrating that no1 will really get why I thought their initial push was hostile in that it seemed that they were baiting me with a well-known sore point right from the get go. I can't find a positive motivation behind and the passive aggressive follow-up combined with victim behaviour and the constant bleating makes me think scum. it is a scum tactic that I have often seen used, where you bait some1 into an emotional response and then call them scummy for it. <---- this is what it felt like. it seems like they are using it as a smokescreen in lieu of the very in-depth level of scumhunting I know they are capable of. this isn't it. scumzorz
eleven - I am not sure how any1 even remotely has them as town. I have 1 completed game with faraday and he was really easy to read as town that game and I was even fairly new to the site and did not know him. he is constantly baiting people, contradicting themselves and where I would expect that hydra to be fairly deft at cutting through the mist they instead seem to be generating a ton of it. unsure lean scum
axxle - I am not feeling the town love with axxle. 1 completed game where he was town and I am going to go check for a comparison. unsure lean mebbe scum.
eaglekit - scumz. desp has never misread me ever so that he is in this game is startling. not to mention they are doing nothing but vote parking on an early read. there is no reach out from them and the sticky vote looks awful. scumz.
ythan - dunno. like I really don't know.
triforce - I believe their indie claim but the doc claim seems far fetched. hhmm...
cheery dog -

hey cheery what's up!

I have played with you more than most of the people here and I am not seeing that same level of play that I am used to seeing from you! why is that?

anyways just wanted to get this out there.

[pirate mollie]

I am really not ready to end the day just yet I kind of wanted to synch up with my stronger town reads and mebbe go back and forth with a couple of unsures

[pirate mollie]

oh hai!

eagle people are town

I can't remember everything I read

[pirate mollie]

CDB you should post your notes. like now. in full

[pirate mollie]

Hey, Faraday, Tammy says dickishness is a scumtell for you.

it isn't so much that he is being dickish but he is trolling and having fun

faraday likes to be scum

[pirate mollie]

also cdb why am I not lynchable? you should be speedlynching me considering how bad I am at lylo and would you really want me around? (this is where I get weird on you)

[pirate mollie]

also cdb why am I not lynchable? you should be speedlynching me considering how bad I am at lylo and would you really want me around? (this is where I get weird on you)

Don't be silly. Why would I speedlynch you when you're obvtown? Because you might get LyLo wrong? How about we win before LyLo and remove such a problem?

you are scum aren't you

[pirate mollie]

I can think of every reason you would want me around

why was the me "getting weird about you" an afterthought

is it cos I am getting weird on you

[pirate mollie]

I can think of every reason you would want me around

Oh, what, you think my nefarious plan is to manipulate the game in such a way as to engineer a 3p LyLo with you as the confirmed town so that you

might

make the wrong choice and hand scum the win? Even if I were the kind of person who would be thinking that long-term as scum - which I'm not - that would be such a ridiculously precise aim as to be essentially completely inviable. I have no idea why you would default to thinking that I am trying to do something like that.

why was the me "getting weird about you" an afterthought

is it cos I am getting weird on you

I brought up the "getting weird about you" as a direct response to you thinking #1202 made me scum.

/so defensive

[pirate mollie]

That is literally your worst post of the game if its an actual serious thing which is a p woah moment

^ scumclaim

[pirate mollie]

I am freaking out.

[pirate mollie]

eta: read on 11 people?

[pirate mollie]

eta2: cos I think they are scum

eta3: edit to add but sometimes it doesn't mean as such in a mafia thread where we can't edit post. /habit

[pirate mollie]

well

I think faraday is happy playing scum. so there

how dare fate leave you up for further inspection. wifom much?

are you saying you think prozack protected you???

cos I can't tell

[pirate mollie]

Hey, Faraday, Tammy says dickishness is a scumtell for you.

it isn't so much that he is being dickish but he is trolling and having fun

faraday likes to be scum

holy shit

so which of these statements are untrue:

1) faraday is trolling and having fun
2) faraday likes to play scum

cos if you are gonna call it a bad post you need to spell out why it is so!

and no, I am not buying the "obvtown" crap cos you are not!

@ cdb

why did you move them to town

[pirate mollie]

ActionDan (10) ChannelDelibird, Eleven, Sir Waffles Wafflington, Fate, Porochaz, Untrod Tripod, Ythan, ActionDan, Gammagooey, Iecerint

ROFL what the fuck, Dan was voting himself!?

Yeah okay. Well.

This game of SPOT THE BUS is a little more difficult but Pie's reads list is pretty accurate.

Not wanting to lynch from the wagon: CDB, Waffles, Porochaz (duh), Ythan, Dan (duh), Gamma (probably), Iece (pretty town imo at this point)

which leaves Eleven/Fate/UT hayyyy lookitthat

Addendum: Grimm says, "It makes me really fucking sad that UT is not scum" and I asked why and he said, "reading his posts it feels like he's just terrible not scum"

so there's your Grimm chirp for the day!

I would think that "spot the " would be pretty easy considering scum usually only self-vote when they know their team is in a good position. and considering he didn't self-hammer but self-voted I am thinking there was a conscious decision on his part to take the fall.

[pirate mollie]

So Mina thinks my inability to get a townread on mollie is emotion-based. I think it's partly the Ruth,

but also think it's on her not actually trying to figure out the game.

It's a quandary.

Hopefully the mala head of evangel will start posting soon!

LIES!

put eagle things back into scum

[pirate mollie]

cheery are you scum? plz don't be scum

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: cheery

[pirate mollie]

it was waffles wanting to hear moar from eagle creatures

plus I had to rethink the eagle creatures town read

[pirate mollie]

but you are still scum so

[pirate mollie]

I was thinking if waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

[pirate mollie]

why are you asking me this

[pirate mollie]

cos if you had me as town then why are you pestering me and don't hand me that garbage that this is what I do cos you are better than that

[pirate mollie]

and you didn't answer my question!

eta: that post was bad cheery

[pirate mollie]

Having someone as town doesn't mean that they should just be ignored when scumming up the place.

like you are?

why are you asking me this

I'm trying to figure out how I'm meant to be reading you, sudden changes in reads doesn't help you get a good read.

So it's that you're still trying to find a buddy for waffles, which points back to why I read you as scum yesterday.

So I'm now fine with a mollie lynch again.

what was your reason for wanting me lynched yesterday?

[pirate mollie]

now fumble into ungracefully unvoting nuwen and vote me

[pirate mollie]

where was I talking about waffles being bussed?

[pirate mollie]

cheery

[pirate mollie]

Mollie - do you feel out of step and not recognizing things in the context of the game and what's been said? Cuz you feel like that to me.

fuck you tammy you don't even know what the hell I mean when I use that tell

pretty sure I am not the 1 out of step pretty sure you are

have you just resigned to be scum and have decided to just troll? that usually means you are being bussed!

that is a meta stretch even with elastic sweatpants

it does not explain what the *certain thing* happens means!

cheery I really don't want you to be scum but I feel like you are

[pirate mollie]

that is a meta stretch even with elastic sweatpants

it does not explain what the *certain thing* happens means!

cheery I really don't want you to be scum but I feel like you are

That's why I dropped it day 1 after going and actually rereading the post.

What certain thing?

It's okay, I'm not on your scumteam. There is also the issue of your role pm apparently indicating multiball and Waffles's saying it's non-existent.

well, it indicated it was possibly so!

and I guess it did since we have a scum flip and a cult/indie flip huh

[pirate mollie]

and no, I am not buying the "obvtown" crap cos you are not!

You didn't buy actiondan was scum
You didn't buy waffles was town.

I think you not buying it probably makes it true


xoxoxoxo

I think I did (wasn't there stating an intent to hammer weren't there a couple of posts about danny being scum) an I don't unless you know something I don't which I don't think you actually do

[pirate mollie]

we could vote 11

[pirate mollie]

then why are you not helping me with cheery?

[pirate mollie]

if you are bashing your head against your desk imagine me trying to figure out why you are not helping lynch some1 who is already in your scumpile

[pirate mollie]

I was thinking if waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

Serious question. Are you reading the game?

Also, translate this into English? If we were scum (and if you think this you aren't reading the game therefore my earlier statement that you aren't trying to figure things out completely stands),

would we be more likely to "cozy up" to town or scum?

why would you need to cosy up to scum?

like srsly that does not make sense

you guys are not right

eta: 1 is probs scum were they giving you a reach out

[pirate mollie]

*11

[pirate mollie]

11 - I lean town cos of kittymo's appeal for fara not to curse. this might seem stupid to some people but it makes sense to me. if they are scum I will probably convalesce for a month.

yeah, sorry, I got a little annoyed by his constant cursing. I'll try to keep that sort of stuff out of thread

WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS EH?

(p.s. that was me trolling kittymo by telling her to not curse LOLMOLLIE)

canadian pretender spotted

bwrv reported

[pirate mollie]

So Mina thinks my inability to get a townread on mollie is emotion-based. I think it's partly the Ruth,

but also think it's on her not actually trying to figure out the game.

It's a quandary.

Hopefully the mala head of evangel will start posting soon!

LIES!

put eagle things back into scum

what does my wanting mala to post have to do with eagle's alignment? At the end of day yesterday you called them scum, at the beginning of day today you called them town, why are they scum now?

ALSO MOLLIE ANSWER THIS.

I thought this was a dumb question to answer since I said I thought that you might be cosying up to eagle people. like the answer is implicit in the posts you were referencing to.

also this was already asked and answered.

are you reading the thread?

this is why you are scum: asking stupid shit that has already been covered but you are not asking in a sincere way

[pirate mollie]

So Mina thinks my inability to get a townread on mollie is emotion-based. I think it's partly the Ruth,

but also think it's on her not actually trying to figure out the game.

It's a quandary.

Hopefully the mala head of evangel will start posting soon!

LIES!

put eagle things back into scum

it was waffles wanting to hear moar from eagle creatures

plus I had to rethink the eagle creatures town read

I was thinking if waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

so you don't believe their claim? or what?

waffles? no

[pirate mollie]

this really isn't a good time for me so if you are town back the fuck off if you are scum carry on

[pirate mollie]

bwrv reported

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS BUT LOL REPORTED

that was me attempting to bring levity!

[pirate mollie]

i'll bring the levity you bring the scum reads mollie. heyy ho, let's go!

p.s. why do u still suspect waffles cos lol

I did bring the sum reads. they are soupy but still stand.

if reck, fate and nuwen are all scum then I will cry a river of tears that will flood their asses

waffles does not seem right. I think I said so why are you asking something that has already been said?

[pirate mollie]

I am a person; I'm a person who's fed up. You don't say the shit she has to me this game, then post this when I ask her questions. Then ask me to back off. Yeah, nope sorry. You don't start shit, then go it's a bad time for me can you lay off?

this is why you are scum: asking stupid shit that has already been covered but you are not asking in a sincere way

erm. you started this shit campaign. at what point do you want to stop?

cos I am done. more than done like well done almost like burnt

stahp the passive aggressive bullshit

[pirate mollie]

Please don't ever sign up for a game I'm in. Thanks in advance. Have a nice day.

^ bitchy

I have said the exact same words a couple of times and every time I knew I was being a bitch.

things changed and the people I said this to well we have made up.

I don't think we will tho.

[pirate mollie]

jesus christ just lynch me

[pirate mollie]

sorry guyz I don't have the stomach for the hardballing going on

it makes literally ill

[pirate mollie]

Please don't ever sign up for a game I'm in. Thanks in advance. Have a nice day.

^ bitchy

I have said the exact same words a couple of times and every time I knew I was being a bitch.

things changed and the people I said this to well we have made up.

I don't think we will tho.

Nope we probably won't because it would take you recognizing something you refuse to.

which is?

[pirate mollie]

I am terribad at mafia? it has already been said. like a million times over

[pirate mollie]

The problem is she's not trying to figure out the game. When town, Mollie puts a great deal of thought into the game and even when she has off the wall reasons for thinking someone is scum you can still see her thought process. You can still see it's coming from town. She tends to get paranoid of people and suspect them based on that paranoia but you can see when the paranoia is there. Do you remember your upick? She got paranoid about Thor and decided he was scum for a little bit because he agreed with something she said and since he usually argues with her and says she's not logical, him agreeing with her on something had to mean he was scum.

I'm not seeing that type of paranoia here. I'm seeing just flat out off the wall/wacko/mean-spirited hostile play. She's just throwing out scum reads; I don't get a sense that she actually believes anything she's saying. She seems more like she's trolling the game than trying to figure it out. My claim should have and I believe would have given her second thought if she were town. She's playing much more like how she played when she was scum in Mario Bros than when I've seen her as town in our other games.

I do think she has the potential to be a traitor though because the way that Fate and Nuwen are kinda buddying her is weird.

I was going to quote stripe but then I realised I am too whatever to care

false meta is a thirsty treat for scum gjob I guess

I suppose this somehow fits in with my scum meta or that I really don't care. and I think my town reads will (hopefully) figure it out.

[pirate mollie]

you know in all of the time that I have played mafia I have never intentionally broke a person. unintentionally, yes, intentionally no

[pirate mollie]

since when does tammy spell skeptical "sceptical"

LIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE MINA

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: WAFFLE THING

[pirate mollie]

We're someone who have already indicated a hide ability

You claimed that. And really. In what scenario would we be able to verify anything. If you *die*. and in that case it doesn't fucking matter what you are. You picked a role that seems on the surface to be easily verifiable, but in reality is not.

So, if we die tomorrow night, you're just going to discount the code we leave behind?

the code

[pirate mollie]

since when does tammy spell skeptical "sceptical"

LIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE MINA

I'm pretty sure I told you to stop interacting with me or talking about me thank you.

did you do me the same courtesy?

[pirate mollie]

since when does tammy spell skeptical "sceptical"

LIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE MINA

I'm pretty sure I told you to stop interacting with me or talking about me thank you.

did you do me the same courtesy?

like i'm pretty sure i left a phone call you joined to do *you* the courtesy to not have to actually be around you, so yeah.

nasty

didn't know you were on that call until you hung up! I wasn't paying attention when they added me.

I *wish* that I could buy any dumb emotional play you make but then you cried in a game and every1 unvoted you.

and you were scum.

I would love for you to leave me alone and drop the passive aggressive play. but you are not doing this for some reason? all I can think is that you are scum trying to get me off-balance cos if you are town then you are doing a piss poor job.

[pirate mollie]

Sir Waffles Wafflington (3) Axxle, Ythan, pirate mollie

There is scum on this fucking wagon. Mollie is one of them. Is she the only one???

REALLY?

COS I AM NOT?

KNOW THAT IF YOUR TEAM WINS THIS IT WAS NOT WON CLEANLY

[pirate mollie]

Mollie - I don't give a flying flip what you think of me. I don't ever want to have to get stuck in a game with you again, in skype or talk to you or anything. I used to think you were a really awesome person, and then I just realized you're just plain nasty, and I don't want anything to do with you.

okay. except I am not the 1 being nasty here? like I was ignoring you and said so but then you carried on.

I was scum reading you at the beginning of this game, and asked you a question to try to figure you out. You went ballistic on me and went off about me baiting you and being deliberately mean by hitting a sore spot I don't even know exists. Then you called me a bitch (after mind you I explained my whole thought process to you and told you that I wanted you to be town.) You then twice said I don't belong here, and even after I thought we cleared stuff up, you continued to go "oh Tammy was deliberately mean...she's baiting me, blah blah blah."

you were baiting me. there is no other way to dress it up no matter how much you don't like the dress.

I tried Mollie. I fucking tried.

I now want nothing to do with you.

So, lynch me. Fucking lynch me I don't care. If it removes me from this game and your fucking bullshit, good.

you have been saying you want nothing to do with me in like 2 weeks IRL days. if you want fucking nothing to do with me then fucking *don't mention me ever* <----- like do this! unless you think I am scum in which you could simply vote me instead of this caterwauling victim play

the reason I was against people not at the reckoning playing (and I didn't want a nacho hydra but I regret it now!) cos people can miss nuances in play that are referencing the meet.

[pirate mollie]

^^&^^^^^ THIS IS NOT TOWN BEHAVIOR, YOU ALL ARE BEING BLIND.

then vote him. or me.

I don't buy the waffle stance cos you seem to have some really strong stances!

if you are town you gave scum plenty of room to hide. so did I, I guess

[pirate mollie]

Mollie this is me telling you that you need to back off, step away from Tammy. You are behaving similar to how you treated me in Mastin's NY game. Please step back from her because I'm not ready to see you both be at each others throat and someone replacing out.

Have you seen mollie be this antagonisticly....what's the word, oh it's cuntish as scum before? Becase at the moment I'm just working under the assumption

she's the worst mafia player on the site

.

mebbe you shld send this to the title fairy

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

I am going on

v/la

for 24 hours.

mods plz note this ty

[pirate mollie]

I'm pretty tired and unenthused for mafia right about now so I'm going to leave questions/criticisms for tomorrow. This means that I will either do exactly as I've just said or go on a solve-the-game note-taking rampage in about half an hour. Wait and see, I guess.

pretty plz don't give up

I have put myself in timeout but I am still

active lurking

reading.

I don't know what to make of reck, when he was scum in rw he was much more muted and I got the scumvibe right off the bat and I am not feeling it in this game but eh.

I thought the part where he said ut is voting anything that moves to be pretty funny and kind of dead on but then I can't get over ut obsessing about third parties.

I won't be lynching fate ever, and not nuwen any time soon.

@ nuwen

the multiball stuff was first brought up by me cos my wc implied that it might be multiball, that is what I thought at the time. I still think it is, I am just not sure what that means ergo 2 scum teams or scum team plus sk. the game feels odd.

@ kittymo

get him to back off yeah?

@ general public

gamma looks like he is trying to sort nuwen out but he is angling for an angle that I don't understand. he is pretty sophisticated in any alignment in f2f or any other game I played with him including that drinking game we played on ythan's bday. I am not sure what I am looking at here but I almost wanna say town but I dunno. <--- totally waffling here like I am srsly on the fence. I want to put him as town but I don't want to be wrong either.

mala conceding to desp's read seems weird to me but I have to parse olympian with that mebbe? he generally has a good grasp of my alignment but it is confusing that he doesn't seem to in this 1 and doesn't really seem interested in trying to sort me so

or doing anything else for that matter.

I like how faraday says that tammy is distributing vitriol while distributing vitriol himself but somehow this makes me cuntish? <--- I can't work this 1 out.

[pirate mollie]

@ waffles

why did you guys vig triforce after saying you were wanting to work with them and leash the doc claim (even tho in hindsight they were lying but still)

cos that made no sense

it made sense for ythan tho

[pirate mollie]

reck you are doing the scum caught for the wrong reasons scum dance fyi

but I will help you bus ut

VOTE: ut

[pirate mollie]

that still doesn't explain why you would shoot some1 whom you were wanting to work with.

you are claiming a 1 shot yeah?

so why would you waste it on some1 you thought might be a positive attribute cos that is what your posts prior indicate. like why not use hider on n1 and find a town read you could work around?

I am really trying to work this out

[pirate mollie]

The way I view vig shots is if you don't have a strong scum read, you don't just shoot haphazardly. I view vig shots as taking out people, preferably who have already claimed, who are likely to be the lynch the next day anyway. We talked about potentially shooting a scum read and tossed around a couple of names. We were going to reread the game together but the site went down and we couldn't. Triforce was a claimed survivor, likely to be today's lynch anyway, so the vig shot there was practical no matter what our desires may or may not have been.

Why wouldn't we use that day one to take out the distraction for day two?

We couldn't use the hide last night. Mina had gotten permission from the mods to do her code thing and we had thought about potentially using it yesterday but the day was cut short anyway. Hiding yesterday would have been useless. If we lived great, we have a confirmed town. But if we died, no one would have any idea why we died. We will flip JoaT, not hider. We didn't get a chance to even crumb or claim that. It would have been a complete waste if we died. Also super glad we didn't, because if Ythan is telling the truth and vigged Triforce, if we would have died last night too by hiding behind scum, there would have been three deaths today and you guys would be running in circles thinking the setup was something it wasn't.

you guyz didn't think they were a distraction when trying to work with them?

this is what I don't get, if when playing a JOAT investigate first, vig kill later. <--- right?

[pirate mollie]

The way I view vig shots is if you don't have a strong scum read, you don't just shoot haphazardly. I view vig shots as taking out people, preferably who have already claimed, who are likely to be the lynch the next day anyway. We talked about potentially shooting a scum read and tossed around a couple of names. We were going to reread the game together but the site went down and we couldn't. Triforce was a claimed survivor, likely to be today's lynch anyway, so the vig shot there was practical no matter what our desires may or may not have been.

Why wouldn't we use that day one to take out the distraction for day two?

We couldn't use the hide last night. Mina had gotten permission from the mods to do her code thing and we had thought about potentially using it yesterday but the day was cut short anyway. Hiding yesterday would have been useless. If we lived great, we have a confirmed town. But if we died, no one would have any idea why we died. We will flip JoaT, not hider. We didn't get a chance to even crumb or claim that. It would have been a complete waste if we died. Also super glad we didn't, because if Ythan is telling the truth and vigged Triforce, if we would have died last night too by hiding behind scum, there would have been three deaths today and you guys would be running in circles thinking the setup was something it wasn't.

you guyz didn't think they were a distraction when trying to work with them?

this is what I don't get, if when playing a JOAT investigate first, vig kill later. <--- right?

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. It doesn't matter that *we* believed they had protown interests. Nobody else did. They were almost the lynch yesterday. They would have been the lynch today. They would have been a distraction. We removed the distraction. This is like optimal vig strategy.

I don't even understand the problem here. A third party claims. We have means to remove third party. We do that.

If we hide and die behind scum, we can't vig kill later? Because we're dead.

Anyway, I'm done. I don't know why I'm even trying. I'll let someone else explain it to you. I've reached my maximum limit and I have a party to go to.

I am trying to understand you guys so I do not death tunnel on you. cos vig over investigate doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway, I'm done. I don't know why I'm even trying. I'll let someone else explain it to you. I've reached my maximum limit and I have a party to go to.

when you do this shit it demotivates the game.

/hypocrite

if you were to unglue yourself off of your scumread on me where would you look?

[pirate mollie]

Just to nitpick, we will actually flip ____ of All Trades. (The ___ gives away our flavour, which is awesome, and is why I said we're a modified JoAT.) Need to talk about whether to reveal more with Tammy when I get home.

Also, what part of "the thread closed before we could claim or leave a breadcrumb" don't you understand?

the part where it should have been your MO from the getgo

but shouldawouldacoulda

are you guyz unglued?

[pirate mollie]

I am trying to understand you guys so I do not death tunnel on you. cos vig over investigate doesn't make sense to me.

mollie there was a claimed survivor. that's like got to be autovig.

I disagree ut

I am probably pretty terrible at mafia

[pirate mollie]

Fate I'm prob going to vote you but here is a courteousy notice of intent

Just fricken vote someone and/or die already please?

I don't really understand the scumreads on fate? I think he's gone off the deepend and part of me thinks it'd be funny to scumread him to troll hi, but what's he achieving here as scum by pushing waffles instead of reck? Losing credibility? Making himself look like a raving lunatic? I just don't really see it, he seems super INTO this game and it looks like he just uh, wants to be right/listened to after a run of scum games which he hasn't enoyed.

I don't think he needs to try very hard to look like a raving lunatic, I could perhaps have it either alignment and is something I think I'll just attempt to continue ignore. (although having to scroll past the same shit repeatly is annoying)

the multiball stuff was first brought up by me cos my wc implied that it might be multiball, that is what I thought at the time. I still think it is, I am just not sure what that means ergo 2 scum teams or scum team plus sk. the game feels odd.

Which phrase from your win condition may you think it?

Anyway I'm going to treat this as a scum claim because there is nothing in my win condition that can possibly indicate the amount of scum teams.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mollie

lemme go copypasta what it says right now!

worst case lylo only needs 1 town yeah? in what world would this happen in where there was only 1 scumteam and no indies?

I brought the multi-ball thing up before triforce outed. I don't think triforce was the only indie cos of how weird the game is.

@ cdb

I actually brought up rw before tammy did (I only say this cos I wanted to discuss it at the time!) but you went to where exactly I did that with this playerlist he would have to change some things if he were scum (this is what I meant by scum) and while meta shifts usually tend to be gradual the exclusion to this is when a player is faced with a particular challenge. I bet reck has twirled his hair into near baldness by now. what do you think of his give up attitude and fate misreading him and reck feeling old because of it? (reck is totally older than me btw)

I also don't like how he is ignoring me but I am not sure that we have found our forum groove yet.

I will sheep you onto pie tho whom I DO have 1 completed with cos he is going in weird places that don't match up to his standard paranoid self he is lacking in tenacity.

VOTE: pie

[pirate mollie]

@mollie - not to sound like a dick but have you done anything other than yell at Waffles and join random wagons? I mean that as sincerely as possible because I've tuned you out post-catfight-stuff.

mebbe you should iso me and find out! cos I said d1 you were in my need to sort pile in that big long list I gave.

I stopped fighting with waffles a long time ago this is waffles fighting with themselves. I didn't like that they vigged triforce and used a vig shot (when there was already a vig in the game) instead of using hider as an investigative role but I am letting other people sort that out.

noticed you joined the UT wagon which I would fully support but then you went ahead and voted me and I kind of disagree with that so...

yeah ut's indie obsession bugs me on a massive level even if I take in site meta. I am not in a hurry to lynch him since he is 1 of the few who is being nice to me. why are YOU thinking he is scum? cos I am not very clear on that.

any other reason other than the one game (that again I don't really remember other than mastin yelling at me) for voting me?

the game was deathnote mafia, and yeah mastina really laid into you and I was surprised. I think I did mention something about it to her about and then she took a break. I think you should go back and look at that game if you are town so that you can see what some of your mistakes were (other than obviously mislynching 1 of 2 slots who were actually trying to get scum lynched) so that you don't repeat them but tbh I don't see that happening, I see you making new 1s cos your approach is totally different. in that game you focused on nitpicky details and made mountains out of molehills, and voluntarily inhaled The Mist™ vapours that kuribo and katsuki were peddling (you know, those 2 scumfucks that we wanted lynched and plus their lazy third) and this game you are being lazy, unfocused and trying to pawn off lack of engagement and activity cos of lol, "the catfight". <---- you are just looking for a place to hide, at least that is how it seems to me.

nowhere am I seeing where you are actually trying to figure things out. in f2f even when you were quiet I could see the wheels turning in your head and I am not seeing that here.

like at all

.

soyeah, I think I have a pretty good reasons to place my vote, other than the obvious in that I am working with cdb who is my top town read. if you are town then what else do you have other than "reck is good, nuwen is bad"?

[pirate mollie]

mollie if you're still down for bussing UT I'll gladly join you

obviously I want Nuwen dead but hey, appealing to the people voting me is a good idea right? (hey Nuwen you wanna bus UT?)

the bussing ut joke was funny the first time I used it on reck this just looks like mimicking and trying to blend in

[pirate mollie]

wow its almost like when I first brought up multi-ball that I said a possiblity of 2 teams or scum team + sk or a number of indies before triforce claimed and then flipped or something its almost as if some1 is taking what I said out of context!

but mebbe I am just batshit crazy and am imagining it.

so glad every1 also read the posts where I said for like 2 game days that ut was likely scum cos of the focus on indies to the exclusion of scumhunting but it is super kewl that every1 is catching on to him!

and yaye! ty iceyrent <3 for finally thinking about cheery and eaglekit and I am being sincere cos they have lurked around the edges cheery especially looks really bad and those 2 have been bugging me. I am probably going to vote ut I just want to a little time to sort the murkier reads which is why I dunno am trying to engage them????

[pirate mollie]

<3 for finally thinking about cheery and eaglekit and I am being sincere cos they have lurked around the edges cheery especially looks really bad and those 2 have been bugging me. I am probably going to vote ut I just want to a little time to sort the murkier reads which is why I dunno am trying to engage them????

Given this, I'm a little surprised that you voted cheerydog right after his post about Nuwen. Can you clarify why you voted him in that post?

I was trying to get an interactive dialogue going to sort him out. it wasn't for that 1 post it was body of work and his is very weak and I am telling you cheery is capable of so much more. I thought he would have gotten more reactive but I am unsure cos the meta might be a bit outdated. interaction is primarily what I base most of my reads on altho sometimes I can them off of other things. cheery is some1 I need more interaction with so I can get a better feel. so far he feels wrong but it seems weird to go from "yeah mollie waffles is scum!" to "oh wait its mollie just kidding!" and axxle did it too that is thing that pisses me off about that whole fiasco is that it gave scum room to hide and I am thinking at least a couple of them are using it as a smokescreen to plug up the game and get away with not scumhunting.

[pirate mollie]

I meant that there was reasoning in that post about why I believed mollie was scum.

Also the wc calification means nothing to me, unless she has never bothered reading one of them before. These 6 all have the same town wins with at least 1 townie still alive that apparently confused her here.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32908
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32581
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=31352
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34387
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=33008
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=28253

so then why didn't you bring it up on d1 when I was speculating about it instead of when it was brought up by other people? it isn't just the wc it is the general tone of the game too. and it isn't like you are questioning me about it it just seems like you tried to unobtrusively park a vote in there hoping to blend in in all of the cacophony.

would you like links to where I brought up multi-ball speculation on d1 and wow omg there was multi-ball? this feels a bit different and I was trying to work it out that mebbe it was indie heavy or something.

anyways in those games do you wanna know who went all "omg she said multi-ball!" they were scum cos scum focus on minor things like that instead of having to do the legwork in order to determine some1's alignment.

[pirate mollie]

I also would like to clarify something, so you think that nuwen and I are in lockstep as a scumteam and that somehow no1 would notice cos this would be optimal play as scum cos of...how?

[pirate mollie]

hey mollie

I vote for things that don't win with town. we had a claimed 3rd party role that sounded BULLSHIT AS FUCK and I wanted it dead. if I were scum and legitimately thought it was an SK or a cult or something I would have said "oh just leave them alone they're not anything to worry about" just killed it myself last night.

why waste a nk on an indie when you can just get them lynched and site meta shows that town will help you do this?

you might want to reconsider this particular tactic for scumhunting because it's not a particularly good indicator of alignment. maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to 3rd party bullshit because of the amount of setup design I do, but when a 3rd party outs itself in front of me if it's not OBVIOUS TOWN UTILITY I just want it to die.

I think it is a pretty legit scumtell and has proven its usefulness over the years.

mebbe I am sensitive to indie roles too cos it is my favourite alignment altho how this site treats the role has made me grateful that I have only had the role once. it depends on the role and the player who has the role to how the claim is treated. I am pretty sure every1 knows that triforce prefers town roles and probs would have put their energies to helping town if given the chance and the incentive but mebbe I am wrong but they just kind of gave up from the get go. they were a survivor <--- which is town compatible and look who had the role.

if whenever you see an indie you just want to kill it as a player then why would you want to use it in a set-up, knowing the current site meta? what you wind up with is some1 who doesn't care about the role cos they think they are going to be lynched and it just seems like a waste of set-up design. it is a part of site meta that I am not sure that I will ever really understand but we can save this for another time cos I would certainly like to discuss this further with you.

but if I was sold on the indie the "eat a dick!" post would have. it made me laugh. it is a scumclaim meme on my homesite (and yes I know I am not on my homesite, but it is amazing how it has translated across boards) I even said here once as final scum at L1 and was shocked that it actually bought me a couple of days but I was ruled out by poe.

anyways I will be tremendously sad to see you go. you have been fun to read but you are scum so

[pirate mollie]

Obviously you haven't read the context if you think I haven't explained myself. But anyway since you're obviously wanting to be a lazy bum (and I need something to procrastinate with), I'll spell it out.

Mollie had eaglekit as scum at the end of day 1
She then called them town at the start of day 2
Waffles mentioned mala having not posted in that hydra
Mollie took this to make eaglekit scum again. This was apparently caused by

I was thinking

if

waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

All in all, mollie looking for the buddies of someone she actually knows is town.

1. yes mollie had eaglekits as scum on d1.
2. yes mollie moved eaglkits to town to see what that felt like on d2.
3. mollie moved eaglekits back to scum.

congratulations! you have managed to figure out that mollie is not static with her reads they are more fluid and dynamic and responsive to what is happening in the thread. do you know who tends to be stickier with their reads it is scum that is who which is why I moved eaglekits to scum cos can you remember a thing they have said about another player that is a bit of an alarm bell for desp. he can get pretty dogged things as town but not usually to the exclusion of the rest of the game state.

also I don't have waffles as scum I have them as unsure. I am leaving them up to other people tho cos it is not a read I want to pursue which is why I am pursuing other reads.

most of my reads are pretty soupy and kind of contingent on tweaking the thread of other reads; I tend to look at the game holistically.

[pirate mollie]

I had not actually noticed the obvious ramifications of worrying about a vig shot as a hider. lol.

okay well help me out here, they are claiming a modified hider but they will not actually flip as a modified hider, but they decided to use a vig shot night n1 not the hider role, they were questioned, they later claimed _____ of all trades and I am not sure how they could have gotten a modified hider role out of that and you wonder why there is speculation around their role claim? the only reason people think they are town is cos of the level of vitriol aimed at me and wow after I was warned by the mod I haven't given them any and yet they have continued on. also the hider action might not work according to them.

and where did ythan insult them I wonder? cos to me it just looks like he is calling them on their bs.

they

didn't

breadcrumb on d1, they said they didn't have enough time but my whole point is that if you have a hider role (or in this case action) and you were actually

thinking

about using that action you would have started thinking about how to breadcrumb early. there would have been a trail of your thoughts and there wasn't, they even said so.

so help me out here, other than the level of vitriol and I am just going to tell you that etl heaped a ton on desp when we were a hydra in the sabotage game in which they won a scummy for, what am I looking at here. cos it does not add up.

[pirate mollie]

IIRC, they actually always claimed X of all trades. One of their abilities was a vig that they claimed to have used on Triforce. They have claimed that another of their abilities is a modified hider that they intend to use N2. They have not claimed their flavor yet because they will use the letters in their flavor name to breadcrumb their hide target (super clever, shows townhydra thinking IMO). They decided to claim "at all" specifically because they will flip like a X of all trades rather than like a hider, so their death, even with a crumb, would not imply a "successful" hide.

If they're town, my guess is that the shot is actually something like a weak cop (cop who dies if he investigates scum), and they framed it as a hider to avoid the NK, then goofed by asking not to be vigged. It's easy for me to imagine one hydra partner making up this plan and the other hydra partner kind of being a dummy.

okay I am with you here, ty

Though it begs the question of why they wouldn't just delay using that ability, anyway. <--- This is the main sketch part IMO, since they presumably have some other course of action that wouldn't have required them to claim prematurely as above.

cos they thought that they might get nked before they could use it? that would be my guess.

I isoed them but didn't find the early vig shot claim (I know it is there obviously) I thought they claimed hider after that but I need to recheck cos I was skimming. and I am tired so I will do that tomorrow.

but I don't think that them claiming early unprompted should be a thing cos if I work from the premise that they are town their actions do make sense I guess in a way. there were some other things that bugged me but I can let those go.

when I was trying to look at their's and ythan's recent exchanges objectively the thing that bugged me on ythan's part is why would he think being stoned was whatever it was that he was trying to make it out to be. cos that seemed weird.

anyways off to bed. also ut is still scum.

[pirate mollie]

Is that the bit I forgot to add in, that you had no reasoning behind the flips of that read.
Although you've kind of added one now, it still doesn't mean much about why you moved them to town in the first place.

so lemme get this straight, you are suspecting me because I did not give a reason at the time even tho you didn't question me but you voted me without giving a reason until iceyrent asked you?

I. Have. No. Words.

But thanks for confirming that you've been looking at waffles as someone you're unsure of, but still trying to pin their buddies.

this doesn't even make sense.

your premise was that I knew eaglekits was town or something or mebbe it was waffles but I was looking for some1 who was I knew was town's scumbuddies I mean do you even see the problem here? you are not asking me for my read progression you are fabricating some nonsense and trying to assert that it must be true.

IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T SEE THIS I AM LOSING ALL FAITH IN HUMANITY AND IT WILL BE ALL OF Y'ALL'S FAULT!!!!!!

@ iceyrent

thanks, I am there, I think I was viewing all of that at the time through a heavy lens of bias. moving them to my town pile unless other info indicates otherwise.

how strong is your townread on pie?

eta: (((reck)))

[pirate mollie]

also ut I wasn't trying to ignore your point about your meta, for instance in anything goes mastina said she felt confident about her early reads cos she was good in the early part of the game when in pikman we went over our strengths and weaknesses and his weakness was early game and strength was late game analysis. <---- people's confidence level or skill evaluation does not change like that without a major quantum leap in a game and he didn't have 1 I checked.

so it is more about how some1 reasons things out. my read on you is not a meta read, I haven't figured you out yet. cheery however IS a meta read, i am telling you he is better than this. I only pattern match occasionally and I will say "this is a weak meta read".

[pirate mollie]

I think I grokked that

talk to me more about cheery

so are we going to dick around some more because I'm starting to get bored

I wanna lynch somethiiing D: /tristana

@mollie - I think what Cheery is trying to say is that you're claiming you're unsure of Waffles but still trying to 'pin her scumbuddies'. I get what he's getting at, I think. haven't exactly been following that convo so whether you actually did that or not IDK but still.

I had them as potential scumbuddies when I thought waffles was scum. I have been saying that I am leaving waffles to other people and now I have moved them to town. but cheery is trying to push that when I was unsure that I was trying to push that eagle creatures were a scumbuddy and that isn't true. I should go back and look cos I thought that he said that I *knew* eagle creatures were town or something. this is why it doesn't make sense he is changing the trajectory to fit a narrative that doesn't exist.

I assume you think Cheery is scum? (basing this off that recent post because again: not paying attn). because I understand the logic there if he meant what I think he meant and that feels like it's coming from a town mindset

pie, why are you asking me questions if you are not paying attention? like really. the whole will be unproductive until you do.

yes I have cheery as scum.

[pirate mollie]

Post 1259

I missed that post!

I'm not aware of eaglekit posting between either of these posts, can you explain how this read has developed since yesterday?

because I was wondering if I was putting them as town for the wrong reasons.

the stickiness of their scumread doesn't make sense. neither does yours.

You told me back when this first occured that you moved eaglekit back to scum because Waffles had asked them a question.
As far as I see, you don't and didn't actually have a read from a town perspective on Waffles, but just someone that you could possibly get lynched.

is that why you voted them?

But I'm actually sick of dealing with this now, so can everybody just lynch mollie so I can stop worrying about how we're not lynching scum?

except I am not scum? why are you squirming? like I said your attempted trajectories don't make sense cos they are based upon me "knowing" some1 is town but still looking for scumbuddies on a townread while ignoring the messy misunderstandings, the rethinking, reevaluating and the progression of those reads and

all that is involved.

re: triforce

I would hardly call it bragging that I thought that they were telling the truth and I may be mistaken but a bunch of other people thought that too!

I can't tell if this is a genuine misunderstanding and you really are having that hard of a time following what I am saying or if you are scum pushing an angle that doesn't fit.

what bugs me is that you have not even been trying to figure me out except for that 1 question that I missed which does give me pause. its like you are missing huge chunks of why I think the way I do and you didn't try to clarify except for that 1 question.

and I am still unclear as to who you thought that I *knew* was town and was trying to find their scumbuddies.

its like you have never played with me before and don't that I often refit things, backtrack, reevaluate after new intrhead info or something.

[pirate mollie]

Post 1259

I missed that post!

I'm not aware of eaglekit posting between either of these posts, can you explain how this read has developed since yesterday?

because I was wondering if I was putting them as town for the wrong reasons.

the stickiness of their scumread doesn't make sense. neither does yours.

You told me back when this first occured that you moved eaglekit back to scum because Waffles had asked them a question.
As far as I see, you don't and didn't actually have a read from a town perspective on Waffles, but just someone that you could possibly get lynched.

is that why you voted them?

But I'm actually sick of dealing with this now, so can everybody just lynch mollie so I can stop worrying about how we're not lynching scum?

except I am not scum? why are you squirming? like I said your attempted trajectories don't make sense cos they are based upon me "knowing" some1 is town but still looking for scumbuddies on a townread while ignoring the messy misunderstandings, the rethinking, reevaluating and the progression of those reads and

all that is involved.

re: triforce

I would hardly call it bragging that I thought that they were telling the truth and I may be mistaken but a bunch of other people thought that too!

I can't tell if this is a genuine misunderstanding and you really are having that hard of a time following what I am saying or if you are scum pushing an angle that doesn't fit.

what bugs me is that you have not even been trying to figure me out except for that 1 question that I missed which does give me pause. its like you are missing huge chunks of why I think the way I do and you didn't try to clarify except for that 1 question.

and I am still unclear as to who you thought that I *knew* was town and was trying to find their scumbuddies.

its like you have never played with me before and don't that I often refit things, backtrack, reevaluate after new intrhead info or something.

fixed

[pirate mollie]

@ mods - plz delete broken tags post

[pirate mollie]

@ mods - plz delete broken tags post

lol, this 1 too

[pirate mollie]

cbf quoting

I posted your name in there and you decided to ask me if I were scum, and now you "missed that post"? wtf

My day 1 reads were everywhere. I believe my vote on Waffles was explained as crap back when I voted them.

Triforce thing was Nuwen.

I'm calling you scum, ergo you know Waffles is not on your team, ergo you know they're town.

circular reasoning is circular.

[pirate mollie]

So ehm I managed to forget the eagle kit password and since I'm phone posting it doesn't save and I moved my email to desp somewhere with the password. When I'm home ill quote this on my hydra (sorry!). Also I'm convinced I have too many hydras because I'm forgetting passwords left and right.

@Mollie: what exactly put us back to scum read? Was it me agreeing with Desperado about his scum read on you?

Also you do have a good point about CD.

Something feels off about him over the last two games I played with him.

I need to pinpoint that more than gut at this point.

@Gamma: want to explain that because its like wtf. You don't like the wagons okay, but do you know your vote on us is just a singleton and you aren't really doing much to push us. It's looks like a scum placing a safe vote, tbh.

I was trying to find this in your iso and didn't see it and then realised you never followed up on quoting from your hydra. it happens

BUT

wrt the bold: can you plz link the last 2 games you played with him where he seemed odd? and what seemed odd about him? as oppsosed to before when you played with him? can you link those games too?

@ axxle

Your case reads so much more like town with blinders on than scum.

you said this to cheery. so can you plz clarify what moved you to do this, s'il vous plaît:

VOTE: Cheery Dog

I can dig it.

Why didn't someone tell me about Cadbury Caramel Eggs? Because holy shit these things are amazing.

they really are aren't they

^see you say that and it's like my brain just lights up with a big neon sign that has NUWEN on it instead

nuwen had reads and votes

yep.

@ iceyrent

is it only cheery's pushback that makes him seem town? also pie is not a strong townread so how does he compare to cheerio.

I am just trying to get a grasp of how you are working this out and ty for discussing reads it is a relief

are you still reading ut as scum?

[pirate mollie]

I think these were the CD posts that made me think he was town maybe.

It's not a townread really; just that these made me want to lynch him less than UT.

I have no reason to think that UT is town, so I still think he is scum.

cheery is being too sticky with his too scumreads

[pirate mollie]

ythan I would like to talk to you!!!!

so you vigged deathy on d1 and then vigged triforce n1

can you walk me through your role

[pirate mollie]

eta: cos every1 is pretty much staying away from it except waffles

[pirate mollie]

ythan you look dirty tell me it is not true

[pirate mollie]

I don't want to explain anything just because you're curious. You'll see later on or after the game.

[pirate mollie]

is rolefishing still a scumtell when you do it without trying to be coy about it?

didn't you say that ythan was a scum day vig or something????

[pirate mollie]

half outs are shit

[pirate mollie]

I think these were the CD posts that made me think he was town maybe.

It's not a townread really; just that these made me want to lynch him less than UT.

I have no reason to think that UT is town, so I still think he is scum.

cheery is being too sticky with his too scumreads

Stop being so obviously scum then.

VOTE: cheerios

you are pushing angles that do not line up with town impetus

or trajectories

scum

[pirate mollie]

half outs are shit

half claims are enormously shit but ONLY when they're forced to claim (or maybe sometimes when massclaiming but that's probably justifiable too sometimes)

mollie what does that last post mean

I *fail* to understand where you do not understand?

gamma I hear you but oh hai sometimes good scum half out in a way that *supposedly* clears them and then provides *evidence* for it

don't pretend this doesn't happen!

I want to be sure of him! is that so wrong?

[pirate mollie]

half outs are shit

This logic is shit?

the logic of half outs are shit I agree with you here if that is what you are saying. somehow I think you are not

[pirate mollie]

Trajectories is my least favorite buzzword ever holy shit

AHAHAHAHAHA

for nearly a year I thought it should have been a bannable offence

now I use it cos I find it funny and wonderfully ironic

[pirate mollie]

eta cheey wagon isn't shit

[pirate mollie]

I am confident that Mollie is an elemental Tree person and also town.

when I was a kid I used to sneak out of my house (I think I was 9 when I started) and pretend that I was a dryad or artemis. my grandmother had these long filmy nightgowns from the 1920s that I would wear. I would braid leaves and twigs in my hair. I didn't do this during the day cos people would make fun of me. the 1 thing my parents did right was to give me a deep love and respect for nature.

I am a total tree person.

see i disagree with that

similar to how you disagree with the mollie wagon and the cheery wagon

so no i'm pretty fine actually getting someone lynched who i think is scum thank you

except I am pretty sure you don't think i am scum? you at least have not said so with any sort of conviction or with any sort of reasons of than "I don't understand her". good job I guess?

anyways I am 5 scummers in the back of singer's truck and I am vt so no big deal.

I think town is cdb/magua, iceyrent, ythan, mebbe nuwen mebbe fate. the last 2 are not as strong as I would like and are more unsure with a few town leanings. waffles has had some incredibly townie posts but some angles just don't add up but it might just be different approaches.

scum are defo in eagle people, guarrantee they will pick up in activity once I am dead lol. after that it gets murky cos it is hard to tell if they are scum or just plain very bad lazy good for nothing town (gamma). I still think cheery is still scummy, pie and ut look opportunistic as fuck like does anybody care that ut has been treating me as town all game lol. I probably should have kept my vote on him and lynched him when I had the chance but I am a sucker for aTe. its ironic that he is voting me now.

this game was a huge let down post reckoning, it kind of got fucked for me from the get go so it will be kind of a relief to be out of it. its weird cos I am the 1 being called ridiculous and yet obvscum behaviour is allowed to...just live. and are largely left alone.

not sure about reck and axxle, kind of wanna put them as town based on feels. axxle isn't afraid to get close and I did like that about his posts.

welcome to the game magua! sorry I am not going to get to play with you, you might have been fun.

so this is what I have learned his game:

1. actively lurk. do driveby posts whenever you are prodded. they can be as scummy as can be but people won't noticed cos it seems to largely be believed that people who are trying to work things out, firm up reads, vote with their town reads, are somehow scum.
2. ninja some1 who is stating an intent to hammer so you can get town cred on a scumlynch.
3. be extremely nasty and venomous, ignore mod warnings <----- people will most defo read you as town for this!
4. be opaque and as cryptic as possible
5. don't invest time and energy in a game with people you like. it will break your heart.

ty nuwen, ut (even tho you are scumzorz) and fate for being fun and not jerks. ty N and ap for the game.

good luck town

[pirate mollie]

yeah not reading the game is actually the better choice here.

if mollie's scum she's scum because she's reacted in completely nonsensical ways to other people suspecting her and ignored requests from others to try to explain herself better or answer other people's questions about her play and posts
cheery is the other actual wagon and he's pretty much just a lurker.

bullshit. I did not ignore requests for explanations of my reads I mean my posts are either too long and nonesensical for you to read or you think i am scum pushing an agenda you srsly cannot have it both ways.

he is playing normally though so you can probably go through his posts pretty quickly if you want

but he isn't.

cheery isn't dumb and nuwen and I as scum makes no sense. his rebuttal was terrible but why don't you just keep on ignoring that.

for ut you'll have to ask someone else because all i see are people thinking he's scum because he's playing aggressively and voting a lot of people and that's probably not the only reason they have for it but it's the only one they've actually mentioned.

reasons for ut scum: how about being obsessed with indies and not giving a shit who is lynched? OMG I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT MEBBE THIS IS THE TOWN PLAY I SHLD BE AIMING FOR

[pirate mollie]

Are you saying that those are the two reasons he is scum? At least the biggest two?

they seem like pretty good 1s to me

I also think he is scumflailing not town flailing

mollie stop being mad and/or pretending to be mad at mafia games

and i did ask you this and you never answered me on it even if i did fail at quote tags before

do not line up with town impetus

what do you mean by town impetus
and why doesn't cheery line up with it

town impetus means town "force" as in town motivation. <---why the fuck am I having to spell this out.

lets see, uh, he actively lurked, was beetlejuiced into the thread and then gave lazy reasons for his vote but it was after pressure was applied and the reasons don't make sense. laziness is something I don't associate with his town play and he srsly does not care. mala's "oh but his last 2 games he was pretty weird!" post doesn't register unless she wants to provide links to the 2 games she was referencing. <----- you have totally ignored this.

I think it is hedging on mala's part for a scum bud. even if cheery were to flip town (which I doubt) I would still be scumreading that slot.

and you are still ignoring scummy ut.

I am not a bad lynch I am pretty sure I am pretty compromised at this point. but I have not lost all sense of objectivity and if there was anything town about you, you would see this.

I think the biggest thing that works against town is the fear of the potential for a player's scum game rather than what actually

is

.

why did you abandon the eagle creatures wagon?

[pirate mollie]

I haven't been in a position to flail yet, so how about hold off on throwing around that particular buzzword

you have been tied to most of the leading lynches at some point or another

it is the perfect time to flail

it is probs why you are not lynched yet

[pirate mollie]

why did you abandon the eagle creatures wagon?

because it was never an actual wagon

have a compromise for now

Unvote

other stuff- i'm having you spell it out because you spelling it out is way way easier to read (your alignment) from than a sentence where you throw in a bunch of overly large words that generically say that cheery is scum because he's doing things that aren't town

I didn't realise impetus was a long word. [img]¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/img]

ignoring your read on eagle for a second, what do you think cheery would do differently if he were town here (aside from just posting more)? do you think his reads would be substatially different and why?

I would think his reads would have more thought into them, and he would be getting his hands dirtier at least that is what I am more used to. the scumreads are very surface, he is trying tie 2 players in a way that doesn't make sense. <---- I may have said this once or twice or mebbe 4 times pretty sure I am speaking into the void.

why are you so interested in how I perceive cheery's play? it doesn't make sense to push me into repetitive mode yet keeping me at L1 and waiting for a hammer and I am talking about your disgustingly bad vote.

[pirate mollie]

yeah mollie, I'm super good at not getting lynched as scum. it's one of my strengths in fact.

uh huh

keep self-meta-ing ut!

[pirate mollie]

dude

you're obsessed with meta and it's weird that you're totally ignoring it in this case

in what case? you?

I already explained how I meta people and you were all like "I grok this" and then you turned around and voted me without really giving a reason.

@ mina

nuwen was not the first to point that out about ut, gay boiz were it is 1 of the reasons there was an attempt to wagon him.

anyways without further ado

VOTE: eaglekit

god if they flip scum I will feel so fucking vindicated

[pirate mollie]

fate plz don't replace out

I will never shrink from your love or nuwen's scrutiny. the force is strong in that 1.

[pirate mollie]

after I joined this site and nacho and I had our like third game together, we spent about 5 hours in gchat and he told me of this person who helped shape his play. it was a long time ago and during/after the reckoning we shared thoughts about people and then he pointed out that he was talking about fate when he said that.

I totally got what he meant.

[pirate mollie]

cdb/magua town read has gone stale

[pirate mollie]

game needs life support

[pirate mollie]

@waffles: mentioning... what? could you find the post? I feel like you're talking about something old because I have no idea what you're talking about and it's coming off kinda random

mollie saying magua's slot isn't town is lols

don't misrep what I said

I said the read had gone stale ergo, we have not heard from magua in it seems like forever

[pirate mollie]

game shld be renamed the game that finally cured mollie's mafia addiction

I know you want a lynch, but Desperado and I are really busy as fuck. Me especially I'm running low on time. I have like 1-2 hours a night to play mafia and having to read and post just isn't cutting it anymore.

I have basically let Desperado take the rein of this hydra because I'm just too damn busy to read. Good thing is I'm off tomorrow, but bad thing is I need to work on school.

Mollie is however scum here because of meta and gut,imo. Cheery I haven't played with much, but the remembrance of his town game last time I played with him doesn't feel the same. Here he is more passive than he was then and he's more or less focusing defending himself rather than going after people. That more or less is a scum tell in my book (hypocrital I know since I'm posting now to say your vote is bad, but I'm going to try and tackle other posts of interest before I have to go.)

I'm good with voting CD, but I do need to talk it over with Desperado before I do anything. I'm also more convinced of Mollie-scum than I am of CD-scum.

ty mala for giving me what I need to knock me out my cheery trolleytracking, he has uograded to unsure need to sort mebbe. he is a much better player than this IMO.

so mala, I asked you for the links to the 2 games that you said that cheery was weird in that you were referencing. I am still waiting.

this new cheery insight (lol) is the closest thing to a

second read that you have managed to cough up all game

.

are you people reading this? the second "read" and it is weaksauce.

eleven had asked you for a readslist 3 or 4 times. speaking of of,

@ eleven - why did you not follow up on it?

VOTE: eagle people a million and 1 times over

add blatant dodging questions and lists to the list the apparent "protown" things to do in a game!

oh and did I mention how pie's awful misreps are super bad?

gay boyz can we plz lynch eagle people. iso them it is awful mala's cannot even keep her story straight and desp is hiding.

[pirate mollie]

To be fair lynching me is a pretty dumb suggestion.

I guess it would be really suboptimal play to counterclaim the vig as scum. but since the implication is that there's two vigs if neither of them are lying...

I just find it unlikely that we have two vigs

weren't you wanting to lynch me cos I questioned waffles/ythan antics?

and you want to lynch them NOW?

fuck this game

@ mods taking a time a out. bull fucking shit that eleven and waffles were allowed to smear me in the way that they did while I was given a warning.

I did a reread last night and the full weight of how much shit I have had to eat this fell on me.