The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[EagleKit]

that gunshot was pretty loud

[EagleKit]

i read it

vote: pirate mollie

[EagleKit]

We like EagleKit too. The mollie vote is terribad.

no it isn't

she's scum

[EagleKit]

Also don't really think eaglekit's posts were like actually scummy but just there. Actually kind of surprised that mollie didn't freak out @ their vote or call them out on it or just do anything given how obviously prickly she has been.

she knows it was me too which makes it even worse

you should vote her

[EagleKit]

I think there is a good chance those eagle things are scum tho

go on

[EagleKit]

but she will probably get away with it and

not get lynched by fake outraging

which is what she did in too many heads

but that's not what happened though

[EagleKit]

I did tell Tammy it was better if she responded herself, but in retrospect, we shouldn't have taken the bait. Because now it's easy to dismiss this as "two emotional people yelling at each other." There's actual weird shit about mollie's play that I'd have liked to engage with her on, but she's acting in a way that discourages anyone from touching her with a ten-foot pole.

that's what i'm here for

[EagleKit]

I think the eagle things are too but some1 else will have to scumhunt mala. desp is legitimately IRL he is hardly ever online nowadays

mala hasn't posted anything yet; she caught the flu over the weekend

[EagleKit]

desperado you are killing me.

I just got to reading mollie as town.

she looks better this page

but she was pretty scummy up to and including the bigger bitch thing

[EagleKit]

@Eaglekit...what of Tammy's post convinced you to jump onto mollie? Does is still apply now that Waffles is no longer attacking them?

specifically it was something tammy said about mollie misapplying meta; yes

waffles does this look like town desperado/mala to you???????

she says, as she continues to ignore me

mollie is town

well actually i normally think town mollie is scum, so maybe she isn't town.

how many forum games have you played with her?

I should have shot Mollie.

i have good news; you can vote her

[EagleKit]

Eaglekit, could you get an avatar please? Should you not have one to hand, here's me removing the excuse.

thanks

[EagleKit]

hey desp, got any thoughts on anything not related to mollie?

not a ton; she's the only read i feel strongly enough about to push

i do have a theory but it's developmental and not worth talking about right now

[EagleKit]

you feel strongly that I am scum?

it is worthy of talking about considering your vote

yes

the theory isn't about you

[EagleKit]

I don't think he would tailor his scum game around me that much to the point where it would be obvious buddying. I think he would vote me out the gate which is what he did (if it is indeed desperado) and bulldoze it through.

or it's option c: i'm town and you're scum

everything mollie posted on p24 was fake as balls--either that or she isn't even reading our posts while calling us scum. i couldn't have been more clear that mala hasn't even read the game yet and that everything posted thus far was from me

[EagleKit]

zzzzz

[EagleKit]

yes i did. i concluded you were scum.

ps glass houses, stones, etc. you've made it clear that you aren't reading my posts and yet you're reading me as scum. your attempt to sort our alignment is...where?

[EagleKit]

I'm pretty sure there's a SK in my body and my cough is a cult infestation and it has an AWC to kill me instead of recruit.

Ill probably be caught up by this weekend, but it's Thursday and I'm not feeling an ounce better so might be a bit longer |:

[EagleKit]

Oh. Also, I buy Triforce's survivor claim--the annoyance sells it. And I guess some hydra dissonance over Tammy's Eaglekit town read--I admittedly don't know either Mala or Desp as well as she does, but I think she's really overthinking it.

And I found it weird that they switched between finding mollie town again after Tammy called her towh and then suspecting her again without missing a beat.

that's pretty amazing considering it never happened

[EagleKit]

so uh

is there a reason why we haven't lynched the claimed third party yet

because a survivor claim really takes all the risk out of the risk/reward dynamic of lynching a dude here and comes with the super amazing bonus of possibly being a scum fakeclaiming

i don't think they would claim survivor as scum. do you?

[EagleKit]

I 100% do?

flavored doctor sounds plausible on its own, why even bother with the survivor part? it's needlessly complex (aka likely the truth).

[EagleKit]

Spoiler: Ahem

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

Cult

ahem--that's their role name

they were exactly what they claimed to be

there is/was/will never be no fucking cult jesus shut up

[EagleKit]

yeah I know that

I'm just saying I wasn't wrong about the word cult being involved

i guess it's the little victories

[EagleKit]

I guess you're a fucking douchebag. congrats I guess?

uh...cool

[EagleKit]

PRRRRROOOOOZAAAAAAAAC!

Nuwen, why are Pie and Eaglekit scum?

i'm more interested in why mollie is very much town

[EagleKit]

eaglekit - scumz. desp has never misread me ever so that he is in this game is startling. not to mention they are doing nothing but vote parking on an early read. there is no reach out from them and the sticky vote looks awful. scumz.

cuz this is bullshit.

vote: mollie

[EagleKit]

it's also the exact same thing she said the last time i caught her

@ nacho

I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.

eta: xposts

it wasn't true then either

[EagleKit]

mollie's scum playbook is limited; i think the period in between her bigger bitch comment to tammy and her reentrance was her recalibrating and subverting expectations. she was objectively scummy up until that point; when she came back, it was almost like a painting-by-numbers town mollie. the only thing missing was the chair thing (which she also used in Olympian, so that isn't even alignment relevant anymore).

she's scum.

[EagleKit]

I'm saying starting the day with that and not actually moving the game in any direction is scummy

oh you mean like you patting yourself on the back for something completely inconsequential and then naked voting?

it's a bit like if someone on the wagon from yesterday started today by saying HA I TOLD YOU DAN WAS SCUM and not voting or listing reads or anything

like the mollie thing started with him saying "I want to know why mollie is town", not by starting with push on mollie. I see that as being a scum weathervane tactic

see?

seriously? asking nuwen to explain why mollie is town IS starting the push on mollie. it's one in the same.

[EagleKit]

only thing i see is him being a jerk to you and then a post on mollie that seems fine and then his 1075 seems a bit overthought and I don't know what the 'chair thing' is but it's not a super awful post

What you don't like is that me and Matt know each other are town and are working together, and you try to call that buddying or whatever. Too bad.

What I don't like is that you and Matt are working together like you both know the other one is a townie, which you couldn't. I don't like it because town never does this. You're playing like a hydra.

hi whiskers hi

lets chat.

have a seat:



I am just going to go with that with the statement above that you are pretty inexperienced. strong town players do it all of the time. there are some players I can read in 1 post and I am always drawing flak for it from players who do not know me. matt gets his reads early so does wis so does nacho and desp. we work with our town reads so that town controls the lynch. <----- its how town wins games.

so now that we have gotten that out of the way lets talk about why you are having such a strong hatred of me. I mean disliking me is something I am kind of used to, also being called stupid or put down but generally I do something first to engender. I have not done 1 fucking thing to you not 1 thing and I have been puzzled and confused by your reaction to me. its why I have not told you to fuck off yet. thats why I think you are scum faking it cos it makes no fucking sense. I don't give a shit if matt and nacho are town reading you nacho will put people as town for really dumb reasons and I don't know how good matt's towndar is.

I mean if you are town why aren't you asking me questions? and why are you voting me if you don't think I am scum cos I got from your post that you really don't think I am.

I want an answer. and I want to know what the fuck is your problem

for a long time, mollie only used this tactic as town. to my knowledge this was the first example of her doing it as scum.

[EagleKit]

reck

mollie was an existing scumread of mine. if you had been reading the game you'd know that I was planning on voting

him

her today.

and no, it is not. asking why someone is town is not the same thing as arguing for them being not-town.

i wasn't arguing for mollie being not-town at that precise moment; i was engaging Nuwen, which is still in service of pushing my scumread.

[EagleKit]

ignore the fucking meta. meta is trash.

eagle's strategy for pushing scumreads is scummy as fuck.

yes, ignore the totally relevant meta. you're a true delight.

and what specifically is scummy about my strategy for pushing scumreads?

[EagleKit]

I'm not going to explain to you why you're scummy. it's not like you're going to vote yourself.

what the fuck was this place like when you come from?

[EagleKit]

yes, ignore the totally relevant meta. you're a true delight.

meta is trash in forum mafia. the sooner you get over that the better you're going to be.

...

you are literally the last person i would ever take forum mafia advice from. you are much more effective in real life.

[EagleKit]

and yes, i meant that to be offensive. because it has become crystal clear that our styles of play will never synch and i have no intention of even pretending to try to read you anymore.

[EagleKit]

Congratulations Eagle! You're now my #2 town read!

You have fulfilled my requirements for "Dumb Loudmouth I Get Into An Argument With On Day 2 Who Is Always Town" and I am pleased to offer you a place in the Town Posse. If you accept this invitation I can offer you the position of 3 Star General.

I know this must be very exciting for you.

i don't think Axxle is scum.

[EagleKit]

Reread complete.

VOTE: Axxle

PEDIT: Can I doublevote him please

if i squint really hard axxle's eerily consistent buddying of me is kind of scummy. what am i missing?

[EagleKit]

why not?

look at his activity around the AD wagon? it's not encouraging.

i don't think not doing much around the AD wagon is scummy.

[EagleKit]

i missed 1103 and 1104

the list of people with a lame relationship to the AD wagon is too long for it be alignment relevant

[EagleKit]

So Mina thinks my inability to get a townread on mollie is emotion-based. I think it's partly the Ruth,

but also think it's on her not actually trying to figure out the game.

It's a quandary.

Hopefully the mala head of evangel will start posting soon!

LIES!

put eagle things back into scum

it was waffles wanting to hear moar from eagle creatures

plus I had to rethink the eagle creatures town read

I was thinking if waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

so you don't believe their claim? or what?

[EagleKit]

this really isn't a good time for me so if you are town back the fuck off if you are scum carry on

[EagleKit]

i still don't really know why you think mollie is scum though tammy, she just seems off the wall completely wtf...i mean i guess it could be sort of fake bit it///s a very weird strategy idk????

have you ever played with scum mollie before?

[EagleKit]

i already have

"emotional manipulation is my only skill as scum" - pirate mollie

[EagleKit]

Okay so coming in from two sides where Waffles (tammy) and Mollie.

Tammy step away from Mollie. Don't engage her and don't respond. If you need her to clarify something get someone else to do it.

Mollie this is me telling you that you need to back off, step away from Tammy. You are behaving similar to how you treated me in Mastin's NY game. Please step back from her because I'm not ready to see you both be at each others throat and someone replacing out.

thank you.

Also, tammy let's unite Cait Sith <3
(Mollie won't escape rope, promise.)

[EagleKit]

Mollie this is me telling you that you need to back off, step away from Tammy. You are behaving similar to how you treated me in Mastin's NY game. Please step back from her because I'm not ready to see you both be at each others throat and someone replacing out.

Have you seen mollie be this antagonisticly....what's the word, oh it's cuntish as scum before? Becase at the moment I'm just working under the assumption she's the worst mafia player on the site.

No, but I have seen this when she's town.

Past history: she made me melt down in a game where I was at the fuck it stage. I replaced out because she made the game terrible for me.

She's not a bad mafia player. She just plays really emotional.

[EagleKit]

So waffles is town, mollie is scum. That's what I'm getting out of this.

Waffles is really, really town. Like so town that Tammy has been obv towning it up. Votes on that slot is bad and you should feel bad.

Also, faraday are you scum? Cuz I want to think you are town and I'm leaning town vibes on you.

[EagleKit]

She's not a bad mafia player. She just plays really emotional.

sure


(p.s. do you think she's town then and think desp is wrong, or?)

No, I think Desp has a better chance of reading Mollie better than I can. He's already made points about Mollie especially the chair. Where at the time I thought it was a huge town tell when she posted the picture. Town Mollie would have already brought it out by now and scum Mollie would be hesitance with it. So, yeah I'm leaning scum on Mollie.

There's something else about her bringing up multiball that didn't sit right with me and now she's pushing Waffles and it's bugging me. :\

~

Preedit:

It's not her breaking down that looks town to me. I think you are misunderstanding me here. It's the way she's making someone else break down. Although I would think she wouldn't have a problem making someone break down as scum either. She's fooled people pretty hard with her meta on purpose. I know one game we were a hydra with Mara too and we rolled scum and pregame she said she's going to fool Nacho by mindfucking him while using her town meta. So I know she's capable of faking her town meta as scum, but what lengths would she do it?

[EagleKit]

All Waffles has done is thrown up EXTREME AtE in response to this wagon, and I can see, nay HOPE, how it would fool you Faraday but have you played with Tammy scum before? She's quite crafty


all the other posts with "oh no Im NOT ballsy definitely NOT ballsy" and other posts to try and make herself seem less competent and dangerous than she is is CLASSIC COMPETENT SCUM PLAY.


what triggered this was mollie, and myself as well, who are decidedly not rational players "catching her" is enough to make her furious when she thinks her play has been pretty flawless "logically" so she throws up huge walls of emotion to try and obscure our reads, but I won't be fooled again.

Tammy does atE as either alignment though Fate. This one is different than the last one i saw which was in Too many heads. There she atE and then disappeared, but here the approach is different. She might be AtE'ing, but she hasn't disappeared and that's the thing that makes me lean town on her.

[EagleKit]

All Waffles has done is thrown up EXTREME AtE in response to this wagon, and I can see, nay HOPE, how it would fool you Faraday but have you played with Tammy scum before? She's quite crafty


all the other posts with "oh no Im NOT ballsy definitely NOT ballsy" and other posts to try and make herself seem less competent and dangerous than she is is CLASSIC COMPETENT SCUM PLAY.


what triggered this was mollie, and myself as well, who are decidedly not rational players "catching her" is enough to make her furious when she thinks her play has been pretty flawless "logically" so she throws up huge walls of emotion to try and obscure our reads, but I won't be fooled again.

Tammy does atE as either alignment though Fate. This one is different than the last one i saw which was in Too many heads. There she atE and then disappeared, but here the approach is different. She might be AtE'ing, but she hasn't disappeared and that's the thing that makes me lean town on her.

Metas a pretty fragile thing. Are YOU her scum buddy and Faraday is just blind?

She's NOT scum though. She can't have scum buddies if she's not scum and I'm town sochyea. Faraday is seeing what I'm seeing so we both must be blind then.

[EagleKit]

So ehm I managed to forget the eagle kit password and since I'm phone posting it doesn't save and I moved my email to desp somewhere with the password. When I'm home ill quote this on my hydra (sorry!). Also I'm convinced I have too many hydras because I'm forgetting passwords left and right.

@Mollie: what exactly put us back to scum read? Was it me agreeing with Desperado about his scum read on you?

Also you do have a good point about CD. Something feels off about him over the last two games I played with him. I need to pinpoint that more than gut at this point.

@Gamma: want to explain that because its like wtf. You don't like the wagons okay, but do you know your vote on us is just a singleton and you aren't really doing much to push us. It's looks like a scum placing a safe vote, tbh.

Quoted for hydra purposes.

Axxle that's probably a good idea. Maybe ill do it after work.

[EagleKit]

After that mollie ythan exchane I really want to vote mollie but not enough to kill our wagon if that makes sense

your wagon sucks tho

[EagleKit]

and there is absolutely enough momentum behind a mollie lynch

[EagleKit]

yeah man, so scummy of us to start ignoring the thread as soon as our preferred lynch started gaining momentum. goddamn masterminds ITH

or we were just, like, busy, man.

[EagleKit]

yeah, eagle ignoring the thread has diminished my townread on them almost completely

oh no, ut is retracting the townread that didn't make sense in the first place

!!!

/yawn

[EagleKit]

p.s. if someone on the mollie wagon could engage that'd fucking own beyond HAVE YOU READ HER SCUM GAMES LOL or anything or link some that show the stuff she's doing here as scum that she has apparently done v well in the past (I mean I may not read it but I might!!!)

(lazy to find where she replaced in, also game is a year old)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24548 has her choosing someone as scum and then just looking for his buddying (which is what I felt she was doing with waffles earlier this game)

I haven't and am not going to go find a scum game of hers that I wasn't in, as I don't believe It'd do any good (I'd maybe half read a post that looks similar)

to be fair, this is just typical mollie in gen. She's done it when we have hydra'd together.

[EagleKit]

Vote:Eaglekit

juuuust want to get someone I think is reasonably scummy lynched

pretty sure i'd lynch any of eagle/cheery/mollie even though i think mollie's post with the potential of a player's scumgame thing looked town to me

i just want a thing to die

I know you want a lynch, but Desperado and I are really busy as fuck. Me especially I'm running low on time. I have like 1-2 hours a night to play mafia and having to read and post just isn't cutting it anymore.

I have basically let Desperado take the rein of this hydra because I'm just too damn busy to read. Good thing is I'm off tomorrow, but bad thing is I need to work on school.

Mollie is however scum here because of meta and gut,imo. Cheery I haven't played with much, but the remembrance of his town game last time I played with him doesn't feel the same. Here he is more passive than he was then and he's more or less focusing defending himself rather than going after people. That more or less is a scum tell in my book (hypocrital I know since I'm posting now to say your vote is bad, but I'm going to try and tackle other posts of interest before I have to go.)

I'm good with voting CD, but I do need to talk it over with Desperado before I do anything. I'm also more convinced of Mollie-scum than I am of CD-scum.

[EagleKit]

kittymo said she spent like 2 hours reading axxle games and thought he was town btw @ someone mentioned his name. idk!!

Can you get Kitty in the thread to talk with me about this?

What was town in those games that lead her to feel he's town here?

he has kind of stopped playing though but so have most people

maybe cheery should just claim and we lynch him if it's not a GOOD CLAIM but eh eaglekit are like MOLLIEMOLLIEMOLLIE non stop and it's weird and strange and stuffff

To be fair; I don't like this post AT ALL. Maybe he should just claim and lynch him if you don't think the claim is 'important' enough?

Am I the only one here who disliked and got a bad gut feel from this?

cdb/magua town read has gone stale

Explain, pls?

[EagleKit]

since we are basically at l-1 anyway:

we're that time mina didn't giggle when she was scum, non-consecutive cop. we investigated mollie last night; she's scum.

[EagleKit]

we were || this close to getting her lynched without having to out too

[EagleKit]

what's funny? if it weren't for you mollie would already be dead

pedit: do you think we are in danger of being nked anytime soon? if we couldn't get the mollie lynch we had to move somewhere

[EagleKit]

can we talk about how that flavour makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE as a cop too? like literally ANTI SENSE even compared to reckoner's claim

yeah a game in which someone fooled the entire town makes no sense in the context of an investigative role. ..

[EagleKit]

no

[EagleKit]

@ gamma, again we still got her to l-1 and were definitely going to survive long enough to investigate again after she flipped scum. im not going to apologize for an approach that should have been succrssful.

[EagleKit]

what's funny? if it weren't for you mollie would already be dead

:/ sorry i did get help a lot w/ actiondan in my defense?

blame mala for completely noshowing d1 and a combination of me being legitimately busy and avoiding townreads

[EagleKit]

mala knows if she checked our pms, otherwise i cant say
we still havent synched up yet.

[EagleKit]

we havent been online at the same time sincr the game started.

[EagleKit]

no? she was totally non-existent d1 and i expected that to continue. i also think she is smart enough to deduce my approach.

[EagleKit]

not beyond what i've already said

pedit: the former

[EagleKit]

and we cant investigate tonight so your math is off

[EagleKit]

what i was saying was we almost didnt need to claim to get her lynched