NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

RachMarie · Post Post #95 (isolation #0) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:45 pm

Wow thread explosion already?

Talah is a he BTW he was in one of the Newbie games I modded.

Yates is correct that vote on BB is rather suspicious, I have played with BB a lot and he replaces out due to RL issues not because of alignment.

VOTE: Pere

RachMarie · Post Post #98 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:21 pm

Talah is very much like his puppy in the pic, sweet and hyper lol.

RachMarie · Post Post #116 (isolation #2) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:54 pm

how the heck do you have me leaning town when I have barely posted Talah?

RachMarie · Post Post #251 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:20 pm

Sick will respond more later Sinus issues.

RachMarie · Post Post #277 (isolation #4) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:16 pm

umm Mastin is a he

I can relate to the headache my sinus is killing me and making it hard to think atm gotta love March pollen and spraying time in the Central Valley (NOT).

RachMarie · Post Post #537 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:07 pm

Still working on getting in this game, but one thing I DO know about Nero is he is far more active as town and lurks a lot as scum, he has even admitted this to people.

I want to see more from you Nero.

Also feeling better about Pere.

VOTE: Nero

RachMarie · Post Post #679 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:18 pm

Nero when he is town trolls and is very active. I was aware he was V/LA before, now he is not. Hence my vote.

it has been hard to get into this game with being sick. I am going to the doc tomorrow, hopefully will be able to do some ISOs this weekend.

RachMarie · Post Post #690 (isolation #7) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:18 pm

MR:
Are you really comparing THIS game to a Newbie game that just ended where I congratulated the scum team for a win? Seriously? A comment that does not require concentration?

Did you read that I also stated that I was sorry I was not able to do a better job on convincing Bo (the IC) that Jingle was the remaining scum due to being sick?

RachMarie · Post Post #712 (isolation #8) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:30 pm

No he is from Tennessee

RachMarie · Post Post #714 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:40 pm

Not sure about Matt

BTW spelling should give away anyone who is from the UK. They use the Queen's English which has some definite differences from American English.

RachMarie · Post Post #854 (isolation #10) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:33 pm

Yay for snork you clarified that slot for me. I felt like peeps were going after bjc as low hanging fruit, something I am very familiar with since I tend to get it a lot.

You may have missed that I have been sick. In fact I was in bed all day and missed my doc appt and had to reschedule it. Sinus issues mainly. s

Snork goes in my town pile.

So does AP.

RachMarie · Post Post #863 (isolation #11) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:48 pm

What because I put some peeps in my town pile? It takes me a while to peg people especially in a large game, town reads help me narrow down the pile to check for scumz.

Nero YOU should know that by now, however I am feeling a bit better about you now since you are starting to troll up the thread.

RachMarie · Post Post #867 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:02 pm

because I am still going through everyone bah.

RachMarie · Post Post #869 (isolation #13) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:17 pm

Wait a minute? you are scum reading Talah cause he uses a Southern slang term for the plural you?

RachMarie · Post Post #870 (isolation #14) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:17 pm

err my bad I meant Nero

RachMarie · Post Post #873 (isolation #15) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:24 pm

Why are you reading MR as scumz, Nero? I don't see it? Though like I said that comment about grammar was a bit off. But town also split hairs, especially early on.

RachMarie · Post Post #876 (isolation #16) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:26 pm

UNVOTE:

yeah you can go in my town pile Nero moving along ...

RachMarie · Post Post #880 (isolation #17) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:30 pm

Umm he is from Tennessee that is how they talk. Of course he is going to try to convince other players of his reads on people and since y'all is used as a plural for you there, it is natural it comes up in his speech patterns, you are hair splitting.

What is wrong with meta anyways MR? I use it all the time.

RachMarie · Post Post #887 (isolation #18) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:42 pm

MR are you an alt? Or have you played on other sites? You do not feel like someone who just started playing Mafia a few months ago

RachMarie · Post Post #891 (isolation #19) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:46 pm

Your join date is a few months ago, which is why I asked, you do not feel like a Newbie barely able to qualify as an SE.

RachMarie · Post Post #907 (isolation #20) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:18 pm

i am getting a T v T feel from the froofroo tween Nero and MR

dudes maybe should look at other players...

RachMarie · Post Post #935 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:41 pm

Talah take that vote off yourself that is just awful self voting

RachMarie · Post Post #942 (isolation #22) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:30 am

And how exactly is your self vote going to provide more info to town?

waiting........

RachMarie · Post Post #1169 (isolation #23) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:49 pm

My head aches something fierce and I ended up skimming several pages here due to the amount of vitriol.

Could we please tone it down and remember that it IS a game and focus on the playstyle and not the player. thanks.

RachMarie · Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:00 am

Here is the game I am familiar with Talah in

Newbie 1381: Oakhaven is Overrun

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28717

Talah was town

RachMarie · Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:10 am

Well I forgot that was one of the Newbies I had to rope the fiance in as backup

Need to read through a bit more his ISO there and compare it to the one here. Not tonight though, it is 4 AM for me and I have had a long day and still dealing with bad sinus headaches. I will look at it tomorrow. Going to get some sleep now.

RachMarie · Post Post #1337 (isolation #26) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:29 am

ok wait a minute here Luca.

Dude was V/LA for a while and just got back and suddenly you find him scummy nope nope nope I do not buy it that is definitely scummy of you going for the low hanging fruit

VOTE: Luca

RachMarie · Post Post #1339 (isolation #27) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:41 am

he is too busy voting a guy that just got back from V/LA and without really providing any kind of case either.

RachMarie · Post Post #1350 (isolation #28) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:08 am

hey welcome PA

RachMarie · Post Post #1428 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:42 pm

I think Luca is scum

I am not as sure as some of you that Talah is scum. Hence I voted for the one I thought was scum.

I think Snork, AP, Nero, Rogers (Now PA), and probably Pere are town.

Some of the rest I am still working on pegging.

Yates in particular is very good at blending in as scum so it will take me a while with him to peg him.

it bothers me that Mastin wont be back until after the deadline, I really need to see more of his posts since I have trouble reading him.

RachMarie · Post Post #1439 (isolation #30) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:29 pm

how likely do ya all think it is that we have one large scum team or two scum teams and how likely do you think it is we have a SK?

We have 20 players.

RachMarie · Post Post #1444 (isolation #31) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:48 pm

I was wondering if both wagons (Talah and Luca) could be on scum but two different teams?

RachMarie · Post Post #1451 (isolation #32) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:53 pm

Nero

I did not vote for Luca as a chainsaw. There is something about the dude that is really screaming to me and I am working on figuring it out.

RachMarie · Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:45 pm

Mastin I do understand that you are having issues with reading all the pages, with the consideration of time limit to deadline, maybe just focus on stuff regarding the two main wagons? That should at least give you some reads and something to discuss.

Talah self voting only has one strategic time to use, when you are at L-1 and scum, and wanting to keep them from catching on to your scum budz so you end discussion early by self hammering. Other than that it is a very lame move.

Snork, it has been a rough time, and I suck on D 1, I will pick up the pace D 2. I am still working on reads and in a game this size it does take me a while. I have shared the reads I have so far.

RachMarie · Post Post #1615 (isolation #34) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:17 am

Those of you not on the talah or Luca wagons:

Time is short, which of the two would you be willing to switch to, and which would you not be willing to switch to? I would be willing to switch to Talah to prevent a NL.

We need 11 votes for a lynch and time is ticking.

RachMarie · Post Post #1665 (isolation #35) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:50 pm

PA it is deadline time WTF?

At Mod if we get a replacement can we have a deadline extension?

RachMarie · Post Post #1666 (isolation #36) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:51 pm

Then why don't you vote Luca if you like Luca over Talah?

Voting a teeny wagon this close to deadline benefits town in no way PA.

RachMarie · Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:47 am

pisskop is being replaced

If someone would switch over to Talah I will hammer, I would rather see Luca who I think is more likely to be scum, but a NL on D1 is such bad juju it just gives scum a free kill or maybe 2 kills if we have a SK or another scum team.

RachMarie · Post Post #1715 (isolation #38) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:41 am

Is there someone on the Talah wagon willing to switch over to Luca?

We still need a hammer.

RachMarie · Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:44 am

Oh no

PLEASE get well soon Yates

RachMarie · Post Post #1769 (isolation #40) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:58 am

BTW peeps

a Newbie game just ended and Luca and Joker were the scum and won

Newbie 1476 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=38637

We had a Doc and a Cop (Doc died N 1), Cop was a newbie (Burn 209) who did not cop correctly. Instead of waiting til he got a guilty, he claimed cop on D 2 with an inno read on Notty, and lied that he had a cop clear on Luca. 3 person LYLO was Luca, myself, and Jake.

So yeah there was cause to see Luca as a scumspect on D 1 here in this game.

RachMarie · Post Post #1770 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:00 am

Nero I would like to hear more from you besides a naked vote on PA.

RachMarie · Post Post #1853 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:49 am

His play in that game was similar to the play in this game but I was not able to talk about it.

Of the two wagons I felt Luca was more likely to be scum. I really did not see Talah as scum. And no I am not guilty about my vote. I know that in the process (especially early on), that we will end up mislynching townies whilst trying to find scum. It is part of the game. I have often been mislynched usually on D 1, and yet we went on to win the game.

RachMarie · Post Post #1855 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:08 am

Snork I totally get you and I understand this is the first time you have played with me. Who will you look at when I flip town though?

(IC Comment though this is not a Newbie game) Keep playing you will learn more as time goes on. You have good instincts and post actively and I think you will make a good Mafia player.

I think Nero is town, I am seeing more of the snarky side of him in the game.

I have a town read on AP as well.

Aptil's claim moves him off my leaning scum pile. It makes sense too often PRs are seen as scummy since they often hang back concerned about scum wanting to NK them.

Starting to see what I needed from Mastin. I can put him in the town pile too.

Nero PA just started posted I forgot she replaced MR. Given a bit more time I should be able to peg her. I have seen her as both town and scum in games I have played, plus she was in a game or two that I modded as well.

More later I have a doc apt shortly and have to get ready.

PEDIT
The only reason I thought Luca was not scum in that game was the cop clear you missed that part. Jake jumped on me for my first post before rereading things where I had included Luca in my post. My feeling was he was scum until I reread and saw the cop clear. Had the cop played correctly I would have waited to vote, and voted Luca.

RachMarie · Post Post #1860 (isolation #44) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:20 am

He had no cop clear here so I was able to go with my gut it is that simple.

RachMarie · Post Post #1861 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:22 am

AP cut him some slack he is a newbie and this is most definitely quite a list to start playing Mafia with. I would be more concerned if he did not suspect me at this point.

RachMarie · Post Post #1864 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:30 am

If you are not a Newbie then you are an Alt. Because you have only been on site for about 2 weeks based on your start date.

RachMarie · Post Post #1866 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:37 am

I went into that LYLO with the intention of checking on BOTH players. My gut was screaming Luca was scum. I only voted Jake AFTER I reread the ISO of Burn 209. Who lied about his cop clear.

Meanwhile getting back to this game.

When I get back from my doc apt will take a look at the VC from yesterday and see if I can peg more peeps.

RachMarie · Post Post #1871 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:47 am

He is tunneling me AP, but he is probably town as well.

Snork
Experience on other sites is not the same, we do things a tad differently here. So I go by the join date unless I know someone is an alt.

Ok I have to fly now and get ready to see my doc more later.

RachMarie · Post Post #1927 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:24 pm

Meh i think Snork is town, PA. Keep in mind there are some who get to this site and read up everything and are super enthusiastic.

I did not appreciate the who like a woman comment since I am a woman, Snork. Though I know AP was stirring the pot a bit. I am not a shitty player, I am not the greatest player on the site, but I am not a shitty player. It does take me a while to peg people, especially in a game this size. Especially with massive headaches n so on. I tend to use PoE a lot unless someone really stands out and screams scum to me. That means I am better at town reading than scum reading much of the time. BTW my town reads are not flaky, I feel pretty good about most of them.

RachMarie · Post Post #1929 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:40 pm

Luca Blight

[11 votes] (projectmatt, Damon_Gant, DeasVail, RachMarie, Yates,

talah

, ThAdmiral, SnowStorm, Nero Cain, penguin_alien, aptil) [LYNCH]

talah

[7 votes] (AngryPidgeon, PeregrineV, Luca Blight, Snork,

Zdenek

, 4nxi3ty, BipolarChemist)

Yates [1 vote] (pisskop)

Damon_Gant [1 vote] (mastin2)

Luca VT
Zed VT
Talah VT (claimed to be shot by a 1 shot vig)

This fits, Aptil probably is truly claiming. A 1 shot vig makes a lot of sense in a game this size. Tells us that it is most likely a single mafia team, since if there had been 2 people NKing one of the NKs it would have been indicated by the mod, so this is not multiball. No way would a SK or 2nd Mafia team not bothered to NK someone in multiball since they have to defeat both town and the other scum to win.

One on and one off the wagon. I feel most likely there was at least one scum on both wagons since both were townies.

However I do not think ALL of the scum were just on the two wagons. So who was on neither wagon? Let's start there because it is a smaller list to work with.

Pisskop and Mastin.

Of these two, I have a town read on Mastin. Need to look at Pisskop and replacement more carefully.

Now back to the wagons.

RachMarie · Post Post #1931 (isolation #51) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:17 pm

I guess it depends on the mod Nero. I usually see in multiball two different kinds of death like shooting and stabbing or something of that nature.

RachMarie · Post Post #1933 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:12 pm

Um Thad I moved on, but you bring it back up, the other game JUST ended and he turned out to be SCUM in that game not town. JS

Pure and simple I thought Luca was scum and that Talah was town, I was half right.

Meanwhile who else are you looking at besides me? Who will you look at when I flip town, and I will.

RachMarie · Post Post #1936 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:47 pm

I had forgotten the cop read hence I was thinking Luca was scum in that game just like here that is the point.

RachMarie · Post Post #1937 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:49 pm

Not stupid, just sometimes forget something til I reread. Especially the past few weeks with the massive headaches.

RachMarie · Post Post #2001 (isolation #55) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:22 am

Sorry guys n gals going VLA for a few days I will be more LA than V and post as much as I can, but with the sinus infection and getting behind on other things I need to take a short break.

RachMarie · Post Post #2086 (isolation #56) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:42 pm

Stepping in for a moment, before going to lay down again.

Those who are confused by me:

Just wait a bit and it will make more sense, I promise.
One thing I am sure of is that I want to read more ISOs
At this time I am pretty good on my town reads being right.
Trying to narrow down the rest of the field and find scum.

I was reading Pisskop's ISO who replaced him? Because I am not liking what I see so far in that slot.

RachMarie · Post Post #2088 (isolation #57) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:37 pm

oh ok that makes it easier then I will read through your ISO and compare it to his.

RachMarie · Post Post #2103 (isolation #58) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:45 pm

VOTE: Way dude

He replaced in for pisskop and based on the off the wagons, and I do think there was probably ONE scum off both town wagons and the others were split tween the two town wagons, I think pisskop was the scum off both wagons.

RachMarie · Post Post #2121 (isolation #59) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:12 am

Hold your britches there Way, I ain't finished and it is not finished til the fat lady sings, and I have not sung yet.

I plan on analyzing for those ON the two wagons too, but it takes longer to sort all of them out, so I started with the smallest pool.

I never said I was a paragon at scum hunting either, I usually figure out about 50 % of the scum.

RachMarie · Post Post #2122 (isolation #60) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:13 am

DV do you have games with AP where he was scum and if so can you provide links? Because I am not so sure he is scum. I am town reading him.

RachMarie · Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:23 am

DV

His play here feels familiar to his play in other games I have been in with him and he was town in those.

RachMarie · Post Post #2166 (isolation #62) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:37 pm

Way,

Why do you think that AP is scum? What about those voting you (Yates and myself)? What makes AP seem more scummy to you than the two of us, since you are voting him instead of one of those voting for you.

In my case I have a town read on Snork I think he is mistaken but town. But I believe you have indicated you thought those on you were scummy, so why vote for someone NOT on your wagon

The answer to this may very well make a difference in how I am reading you, so answer carefully...

RachMarie · Post Post #2169 (isolation #63) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:59 pm

Luca Blight

[11 votes] (projectmatt, Damon_Gant, DeasVail, RachMarie, Yates,

talah,

ThAdmiral, SnowStorm, Nero Cain, penguin_alien, aptil) [LYNCH]

talah

[7 votes] (AngryPidgeon, PeregrineV,

Luca Blight

, Snork,

Zdenek,

4nxi3ty, BipolarChemist)

VC with the flips on the two town wagons.

Luca Wagon (bolded are ones I think are town or know are town)

projectmatt,
Damon_Gant,
DeasVail,

RachMarie,

Yates,

talah,

ThAdmiral,
SnowStorm,

Nero Cain,

penguin_alien,

aptil)

Talah Wagon (bolded are ones I think are town or know are town)

(AngryPidgeon,

PeregrineV,

Luca Blight

,

Snork,

Zdenek,

4nxi3ty,
BipolarChemist) (now Egg)

This leaves 5 on the Luca wagon that are either scummy to me or I am still working on. And 2 on the Talah wagon. Plus the already mentioned 2 that were off both wagons.

I am town reading Mastin at this point, though it is a weak town read and I need to see more from her.

I definitely need more from DV, not feeling a strong towny vibe from him.

Not feeling a strong towny vibe from Thad either this does not feel like his game in other games we have been in together.

Need to read through Matt, Snow, and Gant I will say that where Thad and Snow are, are great places for a scum vote, not starting the wagon, not being the hammer but somewhere close to the end.

I think there is also good reason to suspect 4n as well. I need to read through Egg's comments, but not liking his placement on the Talah wagon either.

Sorry for the huge wall, but with being sick n all and going V/LA I wanted to do a more comprehensive catchup, especially since many of you feel I have not contributed enough. I hope this huge wall helps you to see my PoV and thinking processes a bit more clearly.

RachMarie · Post Post #2170 (isolation #64) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:02 pm

Now next question Way,

Why do you think Yates or I are not scum? Why are you town reading us?

Considering both of us have not been super active in the game so far due to RL issues.

RachMarie · Post Post #2203 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:45 am

how is your thumb doing BTW Yates?

Now back to the game.

No responses to my VCA?

RachMarie · Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:54 am

Pere

I am already voting Way who replaced Pisskop And I already analyzed those two first. However even if both were scum, and I am not totally sold on that, there has to be some scum on the two town wagons. No way is there only two scum in a game this size.

RachMarie · Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:26 am

need to look at him closer and I just might, he fits in the place where scum might be, though I am still not convinced that Way is town.

RachMarie · Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:23 pm

Ok Nero I can see it,

VOTE: Thad

RachMarie · Post Post #2267 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:58 pm

Wow Thad did you completely MISS all the stuffs I posted?

That being said, I am quite willing to move over to another scumspect Way, again to prevent a NL situation.

Way to misrep, dude.

RachMarie · Post Post #2273 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:33 pm

what about the VCA I did? On both wagons and on those on neither wagon, you seemed to have forgotten that Thad

RachMarie · Post Post #2439 (isolation #71) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:18 am

There is less than TWO days to deadline and we are all over the place. We need to consolidate wagons here. We need nine votes or else we will end up with a NL

Top Wagons

TheWayItEnds [4 votes] (DeasVail, mastin2, PeregrineV, Damon_Gant)
ThAdmiral [3 votes] (SnowStorm, RachMarie, Nero Cain)
projectmatt [3 votes] (4nxi3ty, penguin_alien, Egg)

Those of you on the other wagons which one of these 3 do you feel is most likely scum?

I would prefer it to be Thad, myself because I think he is scum. But I am willing to switch to either one of the others to make sure we have a lynch

RachMarie · Post Post #2440 (isolation #72) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:19 am

Snork, after the game or sooner if need be I will explain my madness. I have reasons, though I am glad you finally realized I am town.

So is Nero.

RachMarie · Post Post #2445 (isolation #73) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:34 am

Yes vig one shot I believe.

RachMarie · Post Post #2446 (isolation #74) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:36 am

Nero is my biggest town read

RachMarie · Post Post #2448 (isolation #75) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:38 am

I do not always agree with his reads, but he is a strong town read for me.

I am also not seeing the Thad I have seen in the infamous Slimer's NV game.

RachMarie · Post Post #2458 (isolation #76) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:58 am

Wait a freaking minute Six

You are claiming JOAT

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:05 am

No BG is a Doc with a death sentence, if you protect the target, target lives and you die in their place basically taking a bullet for them

I CC his JOAT claim

I am town JOAT no friggen way would we have TWO town JOATs.

One shot Friendly Neighborizer (I used that last night on Nero) Which is why he has been such a knight in shining armor today with me.

One shot Jailkeeper

I crumbed here

In post 2086, RachMarie wrote:Stepping in for a moment, before going to lay down again.

Those who are confused by me:

J
ust wait a bit and it will make more sense, I promise.

O
ne thing I am sure of is that I want to read more ISOs

A
t this time I am pretty good on my town reads being right.

T
rying to narrow down the rest of the field and find scum.

I was reading Pisskop's ISO who replaced him? Because I am not liking what I see so far in that slot.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:08 am

Because I am the JOAT duh, I believed a one shot vig because that fit a game this size for balance, but two JOATS does NOT.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:11 am

VOTE: Six

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:13 am

Especially in a normal setup there is every effort done to make sure there is BALANCE.

It is like having 3 PR claims in a Newbie game.

There are two other possibilities Egg

1. Two Mafia teams and this is Multiball

2. He could be the SK.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:15 am

Also there was NO reason for him to claim like that he was under NO suspicion and PRs try to be kinda nullish to keep the mafia from trying to kill them unless they have to claim because they are about to be lynched or CC

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:24 am

I have a LARGE history of playing Doc which is the closest to being a BG (though you don't die) and trying to make sure scum does not NK so I can protect. Actually my first game on site was playing Doc.

There was absolutely NO reason for him to claim that, unless he was trying to find the real JOAT. I knew crumbing is a mixed bag, but I took the gamble because I wanted to have it out there since I was being read as scummy by so many players, and I do have a tendency to be lynch bait.

Pere

Weak? Jailkeeper if used properly can avoid a kill, and a FN can confirm TWO townies to each other, even if they do not get to chat in a QT

That does not sound weak to me.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:29 am

Oh yes and I picked Nero because he was scum reading me and yet my gut was telling me he was town plus his posting was very much the town Nero.

I kinda felt bad about him turning it around and having to defend a town read on me without telling all of you WHY but he stepped up to the plate admirably.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:34 am

Scum are always on the look out for who the PRs are. When I play scum that is where I am looking as well.

That is why there is protocol to how and when to claim a PR. Scum often will fake claim to avoid being lynched or to bring out the true PRs in a CC.

Basically SiX has now put a big fat target on my back.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:36 am

Yeah I am sorry for that

partly it was yes I have been very sick and I did not want to replace out because I know how hard it is to find replacements for large games. As well as not wanting to be TOO towny so scum did not shoot me before I had a chance to do what I could for town.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:37 am

Yeah I think DV is a very likely candidate, however time is short and we need a lynch TODAY

VOTE: ThAd

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:39 am

From the wording of my PM it seemed like my FN might fail if I tried to use it on scum. Besides scum would know I was town already

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:42 am

I did have to look at the Wiki too I have been a Neighbor (chosen at random before the game) and a Neighborizer (PR choses who to Neighborize) before but this is the first experience with FN

SiX seriously dude. Enough I am not even voting for you ATM All you are doing is making yourself look bad You are either a VI or scum maybe SK.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:48 am

I feel ThAd is more likely to be scum but would switch to Way or Matt to prevent a NL

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:59 am

I did not call him a moron

VI is a specific term to this site

Seriously Snork I do not get why you have so much vitriol

We have LESS than two days we need to consolidate the wagons and get a lynch

Just in case though I still do not see how the game would be balanced with two town JOATs, I switched to to the one who I think is scum of the larger wagons.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:01 am

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Village_Idiot

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:02 am

This is not a Bastard game, the mod does NOT lie to players

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:23 am

SiX if you are town you need to get on one of the three top wagons

We need a lynch today

The top wagons are

ThAd
Way
Matt

Voting anyone else at this point is just going to end up with a NL

Snork
I am far from arrogant. Calling someone a VI is NOT a personal attack. Neither is calling someone a newbie. I think in SiX's case it may very well be because he lacks experience on THIS site. As I said to you earlier they may play differently on your home site, but there are ways we play HERE. VI is in OUR Wiki. So how would I know you had any idea how our term is used? Especially since you then accused me of doing a personal attack on SiX? Which is not at all what the term means.

It is especially rich coming from you since you have been making personal attacks on me from practically the first post. You even threatened to blacklist me based solely on this game. When you KNEW I was having health problems.

Have I played my best in this game, no. Can I play better, yes.

Why not replace out, I already answered that. Getting replacements in large games can be often very difficult. Plus as a PR I did not want to put someone in the place of taking on this slot.

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:30 am

Egg did you mean this game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40595

Way, since I am sure you are not going to self vote which of the other two wagons will you switch to. We need a lynch and deadline is crawling closer and closer

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:32 am

DV which of the three top wagons will you be willing to be on? We really need to consolidate here

RachMarie · Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:42 am

We have less than two days to deadline Way

If you really are town you need to help us lynch one of the other two larger wagons.

RachMarie · Post Post #2572 (isolation #97) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:26 pm

Does anyone have meta on Matt?

Way basically I do not see this town able to move on to a lynch today on anything but the top wagons. When you NL early in the game, you prevent town from having info, and you basically give scum a free kill or in some cases 2 free kills

A NL should be used only in special circumstances primarily in a MYLO situation.

RachMarie · Post Post #2574 (isolation #98) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:00 pm

Less than 2 days and we need nine votes, I have seen NL days from too many wagons, especially large games.

RachMarie · Post Post #2615 (isolation #99) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:16 pm

VOTE: Mastin

Will be willing to switch before deadline if needed to get a lynch done. Even if I have to do it on my kindle and I HATE posting on my kindle in mafia because its very limited in what I can do with it and I am constantly having to zoom it back up to 175% so I can see it because unlike my computer it will not stay zoomed at 175%

To everyone (but Snork since I know he hates this) I ended up in the ER and have Cellulitis and I have to keep my feet up and can't spend a lot of time on the computer. But with the deadline so close I will check on my kindle.

RachMarie · Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:01 pm

And people wonder why I was concerned about deadline

Seriously peeps we have an L-2 wagon, if you are concerned about anyone else there is time to deal with that on D 3

RachMarie · Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:06 pm

Thank you for that SiX

Believe me I have had those moments in games before it is not pleasant to be hours sometimes minutes from deadline and having to hammer someone you do not have a strong scum read on. However I have also seen games where we ended up not having a lynch even though there were players posting who could have hammered or players who promised to hammer and did not.

One that comes to mind is Newbie 1222 I replaced in as the cop. There was a scum who fake claimed JK. DV also replaced in that game as his scum budz. We ended up with a major mess on our hands and we came VERY close to losing that game.

RachMarie · Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:09 am

We have plenty of time and I want to hear from everyone before we speed lynch AP.

AP you broke my heart too

I thought you were town.

Since my only other power is JK and there are far too many scum out there for me to be sure I jailkept the one killing I did not use it. JK would be far more useful when we are down to one scum or I really feel I know who will be doing the killing since it is only a one shot dealie.

RachMarie · Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:32 am

That was weird I was posting something and bam thread locked. Of course now I don't remember what I was posting bleah.

A couple things about SK They can be either BP or investigation immune. This being a balancer to the fact they are 3rd Party and everyone wants them dead and gone. So I definitely can see scum wanting the SK gone just as much as town does or even more really. Early on they tend to take out townies because there are more of us, but later on they often side a bit with town to get rid of mafia team. But because they can make a mistake and hit scum instead of town, SKs tend to make mafia teams very nervous, especially since there is a good chance they might be BP.

If you look at LOTR Mafia where my fiance NS and I played as a hydra (Twin Flames), and we were part of the mafia team, you will see we spent a lot of time discussing who the SK was in the QT. Unfortunately in that setup there was another 3rd party kinda like a ring magnet who always got the ring so mafia was kinda screwed in that game lol.

RachMarie · Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:33 am

Last large mountainous I was in was Voided's that was some game, I would do it again.

RachMarie · Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:48 am

Yes we demolished the mafia team except for HD who seemed town to so many peeps, at first DGB totally helped us rope scum, then suddenly her scumdar went on the blitz, at that point I started to doubt my scum read on her, though by then I was replaced by DC I believe. I still followed the game.

Long story but basically was a misunderstanding about a totally different game and a lot of paranoia. Turns out I misread a player based on a replacement of another player who I had replaced in yet another game who was scum in the game I replaced in. I actually won that game (Faith Healer plus one with Robocopter), oddly enough.

RachMarie · Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:49 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23662

RachMarie · Sat May 03, 2014 9:00 pm

I think 2 JOATs was too much. Even if some of our powers were kinda weak. I think having a one shot Vig AND a compulsive even night vig was a bit much. Of course there is the chance of scum finding out about the JOATs because they CC each other.

I am sorry I did not do more in this game, health was really bad. Between the sinus infection and then later the cellulitus, it has been pretty rough for me lately.

I almost JKed the night I was killed, and I should have. meh

Thanks so much to Nero who did an awesome job especially under the awful circumstances I put him in.