NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

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I read a few pages.

Why am I scum? And why is the vote spread so large?

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eww, I much prefer smudger to you.

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Vote: ThaD

You haven't posted in the neighborhood QT yet. What's up with that?

Lolz, I'll get on that

In other news I like being out of rvs within 3 live posts. While its sort of forced (what super early day 1 case stuff isn't) I still like rogers better for it.

I'm scum.

Lemme guess: "reaction testing"?

vote: bjc

There you go, now you can call me scum for "taking the bait".

Ffs, can you let me get back to cleaning my house for my rental inspection on Tuesday? I'll take any other interrogation on notice for the next 24 hours, kay?

Deas is a dude unless I have alzheimers. Mobile Suit Gundam SEED in large themes topic.

I think Deas voting Doc for (Doc) making a vote which was "fuck that guy", deserved pressure because it was a bad vote, but mainly I like the fact that he (Deas) latched onto it and naked voted because I think that he (Deas) tends to get over-explanatory as scum, dotting i's and crossing t's where town probably wouldn't. So I liked it fine and given my mastin vote was pure RVS and reaction-fishing, and mastin hasn't posted, switched quite happily to simultaneously get a better read on Deas, and find out what Doc was about.

No results yet because I'm being hijacked by you. Nevertheless I'm noting the Pere/Admiral interaction. Dunno what to think about bjc or Doc yet, maybe slight scum on Doc. You I'll abstain on for now.

I'm scum.

What a peculiar post. No meaning, no purpose, no humour. Everything else in this game thus far is smoke clouding my vision.

Vote: bjc

(Note: Kinda busy today and tomorrow. Home with my family for my birthday. Though I still should have enough access to post and keep up, I won't be able to make more substantive posts until Monday.)

You can't read much from bjc's opening post; you have to question why scum would want to draw attention to themselves so needlessly early on, but it could be some sort of ridiculous bluff.

He comes across as apathetic, which I would attribute more to Town in the early stages of a game as opposed to scum.

Roger, what specifically has zdenek posted that mirrors what's in your head?

1) Doc mudslinging the BJC wagon
2) Yourself fencesitting my vote
3) DV's bad queries/statements

you didn't agree with zdenek on damon gant? I thought it was decent considering damon thinking it was necessary to post something substantive weirded me out.

Hmmm, ZD's DG analysis didn't make my notes. Thanks for pointing it out but of course I agree there and specifically how DG is sheeping Pere's logic and not using his own. He also appears to be overjustifying his absence but happy birthday to him anyway.

You're going to have to excuse me for being stupid here. The only point I see zdenek making about me is "#4", which you'll forgive me if I don't find it to be spectacular analysis. Obviously I'm missing something here so can someone explain it to me? I'll pre-emptively point out that I barely read the post I was supposed to be sheeping. Honestly, there's only so much one can say about a post that says "I'm scum", so it's unsurprising we have similar things to say about it.

And yes, I guess I did overjustify my absence which is turning out not to be so much so anyway thanks to this nifty iPad keyboard I got today. I appreciate the birthday wishes, even if they are laced with poison!

vote: Yates

Because 323. Nope, that's a lot of not matching my limited experience with him.

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vote: YatesBecause 323. Nope, that's a lot of not matching my limited experience with him.

This is the only part you need concern yourself with. The rest is me catching up.

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So Gutread time:

Positive:
Bipolar
Devas
ZD
Luca
snowstorm


Noted:
Peregrine
bjc
Rogers


Negative:
Thadmiral
Talah
Yates
Demongant


I went into skim mode by page 8. too many ppl to track in one go. Ill go back and look at points of interest. Starting with DocHoliday.

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On bjc (and I guess the largely absent aptil):

Bjc already looks like he is going to be a lynch bait here .

This sums up both my feelings on Apt and my urge to ignore bjc's antics. He's uppity here, and I would group him with my scumreads if I had to choose atm.

-On DemonG

Spoiler:

44 starts off his journey. With a omgus on bjc.
70 Not helping. so much snide and defense.

This wasn't addressed to me but

Fuck it. Everything that pours from Demon's fingers is scummy to me.
118
130 He ignores the whole point of the question to tangent on about the difference between bad logic and scum logic. Neither of which he applies (to anyone).

Nope. So much nope with his dancing about.

That's not scum logic - that's bad logic.

Bad logic is anti-town, therefore scum. Good logic is anti-town, therefore increased probability of being scum.

202 is a terrible Luca vote and a Doc gutfeel dressed in logic. Why would he need to dress it up? also, for a player who says this:

Mastin's play continues to be very bleh. Giving garbage reads, and now trying to spoonfeed us what his meta is. That's not going to work - when I have time tonight I'll be looking at Mastin's meta for myself. It does need doing, because of the unorthodox playstyle - but I'm not going to be told by the player himself what his meta is, and essentially that his meta this game corresponds with his meta for town.

And then doesn't meta Luca. My experience with Luca is as a lurker/very unhelpful player until later and additionally there are better fish in the sea to eyeball.

No, he's jiving us.

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-On Yates
I think his 'catch up' is crap. I don't want to really sift through it since it appears to be purely reactionary in nature.

-On Rach
5 posts. Not unlike my one game with her.

-On AP
I kneejerked, but I don't want to place a value judgment on him without actual interactions.

-On Thad

Spoiler:

Lemme guess: "reaction testing"?

"Too early to tell" but you'll vote him anyway?

Can you explain why you're white-knighting bjc so much?

Thad has a stick up it. He posts like he should be more aggressive than he is coming off as. He's restrained.

Do I think bjc was literally claiming scum? No, not really.
Do I hate it when people post shit like "I'm scum" and then act all defensive/surprised when people vote them? Yes.
Do I think he's town for his behaviour? Fuck no. I don't get why anyone would think so, he's null at best.

Line one is bad, line two and three are progressively better.

But you're not scumhunting, are you? You're just saying so-and-so is scum, and you're spreading your net wide.

Ill keep this in my pocket for now.

201 the part about Zd I can see coming from an

asshole

experienced player.

In a nutshell, I can see him as town. So I lean him back to null+.

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ebwop: I don't want to sift through Yates without a better understanding of actual producers.

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-On 4nxi3ty
He's logical, and I've seen him before, but something about his posts unsettle me. Watching.

-On Talah

Spoiler:

15 I don't see it as 'calling in allies' so much as trying to joke and poke. But its still annoying that some use their social connections to 'get ahead'. That's kind of life though.

- I'm sheeping Deas to get a more solid read on him, and I think his vote on Doc was legit- I'm also aware of shitting up the thread when only a handful of folks have posted so far, so here's a hint and an adieu: I'm town and you're barking up the wrong tree if you are too.

What?~
22 More what.

No results yet because I'm being hijacked by you.

87 is overelaborate. Not terribly scummy, but a flag.

At this point, I want to say that Talah's style of posting seems to have a natural town feel.

mastin I *knew* that I could get a good read on you based on your entrance. Your town and scum entrances are vastly different even though you don't seem aware of the differences.

Another post for my pocket.

Anyway, I don't think there's any reason for the Doc wagon to die, and regardless it's probably a bad idea to lynch mastin Day 1 on the off chance that she's town. So will be keeping an eye on.

Please do explain why a mastin-lynch is bad if you are sure she is scum?
And why is the Doc wagon in particular worth keeping?

And a bunch of not-contents.

Not too sure on him, but still leaning scum.

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talah can be towny for now

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Would you please do me a favour and at least throw a sentence in about *why* you're reading folks in the way you are?Cause like - you have Snow and Luca in positive and Admiral, Yates, Demon (and me at that stage) in negative - all of which I disagree with - and you really have a 'noted' against Mister?

Okay. saddened you guys want me to explain things.

So Gutread time:

Positive:

Bipolar - Mostly based on his consistent posting of one liners. The 'fake vig' had a little to do with it, and his disinterest in the game after reflects him finding it silly.

Devas - actually I'd only put him a null+. His posts strike me as transparent, and although he could be scums, we can follow his thoughts well enough atm.

ZD - I actually do feel like they are hunting. posts like 231 (esp the comment on 202) make me happy.

Luca - aside from my one game with him where he was a dead tortoise until day02 (where he became very active) I have no reason to townread him. He doesn't have enough completed games to meta. So Newbie 1462.

snowstorm - word? Im thinking he may be one of my better feels. Best 6 posts ever. Now of course he's lacking in reads and not interacting with a large portion of the playerlist, but ehh, I definitely don't like him for D1 lynch.


Noted: (i.e. I don't know how to feel about)

Peregrine - I haven't ISOed yet.
bjc - bjc seems to have rolled town in every fairly matured/completed game we've been in. Not touching his slice of wifom atm.
Rogers - Haven't ISOed yet. saw him about the site and wanted to save it.


Negative:

Thadmiral - already covered
Talah - already covered
Yates - Im in another current with him, and even if he was a stranger his purely catchup posting is suspicious.
Demongant - already covered

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Can you elaborate?

Nopers. Based on his play in another large game I don't like him here.

It's probably, you know, his lack of content and lack of conviction in his reads.

o.o 10-4. Still don't like it.

It's very difficult to understand where you're coming from analytically with a readslist like that.

It is a gutcheck. Its in fact nothing more than my feeling after of reading/skimming.

Grape producers? Cheese producers? Huh?

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-On Rogers

Spoiler:

30 did not like. I know he's stabbing at my slot, but its more than that. It feels more like trying to find a case to push, not find scum. Too nitpicky imo.
Complimentary post 26 and his underlined business. Seemed self explanatory as to who 'him' was.

47 okay, its clearly a style with him to question one's choice of words. But that just means I'll have to watch his choice of of words/which words he focuses on and from whom. Is he accurate and prompt on addressing all 'offenses' or selective? Nope. too much for my brain.

Look if you express reservations when you vote it allows you to excuse your behavior using said reservations as an excuse.

Towniest thing he's said yet. Also deciding that ISO isn't the best way to read Rogers . . .

97 gives mixed feels. I want to see it as genuine, but I don't like his appeal and his questions.

111 so much no. Is he buddying? How did he just get through explaining how he has played mafia for years and now is looking up to Thad and Mastin and learning sooo much from them?

155 I don't see how that

needs

priority response. I find it completely obvious, but then again I cant say its inherently scumzors. Just rings like it could be an attempt to poke in an attempt to pretend scumhunt.

190 I think I know why his style bugs me. He could easily bus a partner while appearing to be hunting around. do not trust, but cannot find a good handle on a scummy thing.

Doc is a scum read of mine but Gant, my gosh, somethin' ain't right there Lucy....

Doc, scummy. Talah, scum. Doc could be scum. Talah

is

scum. Also, even if scum, there is such a thing as bussing. Especially in the RVS.

That said, while talah's scum...
VOTE: Damon Gant.
...My scumread here is much, much stronger.

You're going to have to explain the whole "Talah

is

scum" but "My scumread here (damon gant) is much, much stronger".

I don't want this to be missed and it needs responding to.

Wha~? Why did you vote Gant but question mastin for similar sentiment? ESP since Mastin did not explain until 20 posts later.

Scales of scumread? Doc is minor. Talah was medium-strong. (Now is weak-at-worst. Give me a while to mull it over.) Damon is super-mega-basically-confscum-strong.

249 You know who MR forgot in his readlist? DG.

Four out of five scumreads are lurky/noncontent players. Mastin form my experience doesn't do back and forth too much.

Scum: Rach, Luca, Aptil, Doc, Anx, Mastin

I don't even want to go on. I don't like Rogers.

@PK: Perchance, are you an alt?

no


@ Yates
Fine. Ill meta a bit and get back to your in-game contents.

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Gosh I am coming off as rude in that post PK. I am sorry. I need to tone it down sometimes.

No, let out your inner scumbag.
Ill get back to you.

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-On Mastin

Spoiler:

May be scums?
107 @Talah is certainly foreward, even for Mastin.
109 doubles down on Talah scum. Makes a decent point.
114 I could buy on of Talah/Mastin being scum. does Mastin Tunnel?
220 I can buy Mastin town. she's selling it pretty hard.

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-On 4nxi3ty

Spoiler:

34 starts off the show with a poor vote for an RVSy reason. Hyperaggressive, ehh? Never mind the rest of his posting, how is that one hyperaggressive?

-_- yawns

in this instance I'm just gonna show how I feel

So you do lie sometimes, just not this time?

64 Noting the Rogers/Anxiety interaction.

voteparking here til more people enter the game:unvote, vote: damon gant

And this. Why? And why didn't DG question this in his next post 70 or after? Its such a weak thing to do.

Anxiety/DG team?

lack of conviction != fencesitting,

neither does wanting to wait to see how other people interact

while leaving my vote on the person I am most comfortable with wagoning.

I think you have a slightly zealous understanding of terms like "obfuscation", "opportunistic", "fencesitting", "mudslinging" but I don't think it is alignment related.

The bolded is mine and about the exact definition of fence sitting.
Webster agrees:

a state of indecision or neutrality with respect to conflicting positions

213 :/ I never really saw his Damonread, but its good he changed it? /Nope.
219 'pressure DG more' implies he had pressure to begin with. Which he didn't, because he implied it was only there as a temporary measure for unknown reasons. Weaksauce.

I liked post 202, the overall tone, there's no panic in it despite being the largest wagon. He had his own individual take on Luca rather than solely agreeing with my previous reasoning. And the way he described his talah and doc read felt really genuine.

Conveniently for me the VC was the very next post. Doc had 4 votes to DGs 5, and Doc was kind of losing ground fast. Any player of any experience can be expected not to flail about 200 posts into the game. And 202 was shit. Genuine? how so?

Conclusion:
Anxiety is a good place to look if DG turns up scum, and vice versa.

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No the issue is he's bjc and we cant judge him on that alone.

82 is the only post of actual substance on bjc.

And its a towny post.

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Nothing standout about ProjectMatt.

Tentative townread on RachMarie.

Do please expound.

This post also gives me a problem - due to the fact that he seems to also be subtly setting up potential candidates for him to tunnel without actually taking a firm stance. Now, I get that taking a firm stance on page 2 would be pretty ridiculous but I'm not a fan of the "pointing fingers at whoever looks bad" play this post gives off.

I don't see that at all. I see a noncontent poster just skimming a thread.

@AP

Yes. I agree bjc claim isn't worth dwelling on.

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-On Yates
I checked 5 completed games thus far. 3 recent town games and 2 scum.

I still hate your posting this game.
I still hate your bulleting the wall

A notable aspect of your scumgame is presenting fewer points with more omgus reactions.

I figure you bulleting a wallpost could be used for organization, but then so could responding in multiple posts or with smaller posts.
Maybe you combined your posts to hide things. That's something Im suspicious of no matter who does it.

Spoiler:

217,
6) Noted is noted.
10) Agree
Last two lines: noted

[with about 50% players that have some to great meta Yates knowledge] the same?

:IGMOU:
Also explains the posting style. btw it reminds me more of your scummystyle than your towny style.

A VT claim DOESN'T mean that the person is auto magically vanilla OR town.You seem to be assuming this.Assuming this is bad.That's the point.

That's not what he said. ZD gave a list of restriction that resulted from his VT claim. Now, I didn't think it was his towniest moment, but
You jumped over that and started spewing about how it doesn't make them either alignment. <<< This is your scumgame as I understand it.

If it happened over the course of a day or two it would look less contrived. This is a minor point in a big picture gut read.

This is better, even if I disagree with it.

Probably the fact you immediately dropped your pursuit after a VT claim.

Holding onto this.

But on the whole, I don't see why ZD turning away from BP is that terrible. I myself would niggling doubts, but I an see that given BP dropping off the map after would not give said doubt time to resurface. If anything Im more concerned about BP than ZD.

I guess I an see why he would adopt such a style, but I don't like it and I don't know quite what to think of him . . .
Especially given the difficulty I in separating his scum and town games to begin with.

unvote

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My issue is that there might be present vigs, and you are a liar. Or maybe you are scumvig. Or you got blocked somehow. Or wifom of various colors.
I presume that whomever you give the gun to will verify your status if you still live?

And no, Farside can still be scum. Im not unvoting her over a stale meta. But it is noted that Kush is really stepping up for her. That may be town motivation right there. Im all waffly now.

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Oh my.

@mod: can you erase my post. wrong game.

:[

[pisskop]

Ok, so the issue with bjc claiming scum is that all the conversation about it has been pretty fucking pointless.

No the issue is he's bjc and we cant judge him on that alone.

82 is the only post of actual substance on bjc.

And its a towny post.

[post=Why bjc?]Why bjc?[/post]
He claimed scum with his first post. Maybe to distract from that very fact, maybe to assuage his guilt over the fact.
Maybe he's town and he's trying to catch scum.
For everyone assuming he's town trying to catch scum, analyze the total sum of his followup to his scum claim.
Then analyze the total sum of the rest of his play. Explain how it is town.
Use charts, graphs, links, etc. Use his own words and yours.
TIA.

What is scummy about it? Im not going to defend him but you need to do the work if you want to make a lynch on him happen. Im not doing it until I think he is scum. His early game play seems to lean anti-town, imo. So nope.

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@Mister Rogers

Spoiler:

Not to me it wasn't. There were two people that he could of been referring to and I wanted to nail down which person it was.

Fair point.

Well, I'm not really an alt of anyone but I have been playing Mafia for years on various sites.

I don't think so, but its a weak point at best. Hearsay at its finest.

Nuh-Uh

Can you expound a bit; for me?

Why Damon is null.

Why he is nullscum.

Yes but there reasons for each of them. Address MY content on them or stop generalizing negatively on my reads. kthxbai.

The following players I have yet to analyze:

Anx

, DG, ZD, Snow, Chem, Yates,

Mastin

, Matt

Scum: Rach, Luca, Aptil, Doc,

Anx

,

Mastin

Yea I have zero clue how I got a negative impression of your reads.
472 is better readlist.

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And the quoted posts seem mostly arbitrary on top of this. Then suddenly he affirms Talah is town after this post:
[snip
Which wasn't a townie post? I mean it was a pretty whatever post, dunno why pisskop cared about it unless he just wanted to rectify his previous waffle on Talah.

It struck me as a good piece of inquisition. Or at least a genuine inquiry. It isn't 'suddenly town', but its honest.
Sure, Ive seen scum ask for that kind of thing. Looks great, feels good. But on a player I'm having trouble deciding for/against it helps.

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I want this looked at:

-On Yates

A VT claim DOESN'T mean that the person is auto magically vanilla OR town.You seem to be assuming this.Assuming this is bad.That's the point.

That's not what he said. ZD gave a list of restriction that resulted from his VT claim. Now, I didn't think it was his towniest moment, but
You jumped over that and started spewing about how it doesn't make them either alignment. <<< This is your scumgame as I understand it.

Is this correct?

[pisskop]

^^^I was in Luca's one completed game. I don't care how Damon felt about my statement.

Damon is coasting with his vote. Do not like.

[pisskop]

I think the PK issue needs addressing though.

che cosa?

[pisskop]

Oh, and did you go and look at

my

game?

Luca is less active here, but there's also more players and its a different season.

[pisskop]

Checked Luca's meta - Luca pretty much doesn't have a meta, with as far as I could see, only 1 finished game to speak of. None of Luca's posts from that one game read as scummy as the one post Luca has here. I reiterate - I'm happy with my vote.

Luca - aside from my one game with him where he was a dead tortoise until day02 (where he became very active) I have no reason to townread him. He doesn't have enough completed games to meta. So Newbie 1462.

You.

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Too tired must sleep.

The one thing that is burning in my mind is:

Pere should not be allowed to sideline, posting helpful read guidelines & screaming about BJC. This without actual scum hunting is scummy.

PEDIT: @ZD -- I want to puke.

I think I agree with this.

You're a terrible person.

List why you think this.

[pisskop]

BeetleJuiCe is fitting Stop your nonsense and make contents.

I think I can go for an anxiety wagon.

vote: 4nxi3ty

and still dont feel completely safe around Rogers.

[pisskop]

I figure Pisskop isn't talking about his Talah read because he's scum and he's hoping no one will notice his shifting read on the slot.

Im unsure whats sillier -

-that you have a solid enough scumread on talah to vote me for (quite) publicly waffling on him and yet still vote me

-that Im avoiding discussion about a read I have when nobody has outstanding questions about. that includes you, who made a deliberate show of ignoring direct reference to me until then.

-that of all the content Ive put forth my read on Talah is your focus. nevermind my 'flip' on thad or my interactions with yates or my refusal to judge the absence of content.

-that you responded to a quote of APs to vote me

in short, get bent or get a case.

[pisskop]

Hes sort of acknowledging that there IS a case on him by complaining about how hes being voted for one thing and not others and then says there actually is no case and your suspicious for sheeping me

I suggest you explain this bit better.

[pisskop]

Also @Rogers

Did you look at the game in question - newbie1462 - yetor are you content pushing from the bavkgroud without verifying for yourself? Itsnot like its hard to do so the only reason not to is scummy.

[pisskop]

Ok:

Im unsure whats sillier -

-that you have a solid enough scumread on talah to vote me for (quite) publicly waffling on him and yet still vote me

1)

This doesn't actually make any sense. It just looks like an attempt to discredit the vote on you

-that of all the content Ive put forth my read on Talah is your focus. nevermind my 'flip' on thad or my interactions with yates or my refusal to judge the absence of content.

2)

This is what I meant specifically. You having done other things that you consider scummy is irrelevant? Your opinion on Talah made no sense and could certainly be from scum. That you've done other scummy things (in your opinion) doesn't make Zdenek scummy or his vote less valid?

-that you responded to a quote of APs to vote me

3)

So? Your Talah read was a contradiction followed by a hard townread on him over a mostly throwaway post with a couple question in it that he never followed up on or drew any conclusions from. You buddying up to that post is pretty bizarre. Just because I pointed it out, doesn't make it a less valid point.

in short, get bent or get a case.

4)

This is just scummy defensive. Scum like to have cases to refute. Sure this is a point thats harder for me to expliain, but this attitude comes from scum a LOT.

1) Lets look at why ZD is voting me.

[quotes post 433]
LOLZ
Unvote
Vote: pisskop

Poorly explained.
And then this:

I figure Pisskop isn't talking about his Talah read because he's scum and he's hoping no one will notice his shifting read on the slot.

I'm not talking about my talah read because nobody is asking about it. And when I call it out he sits back and instead of elaboration let's you swoop in.
His reason for voting me is weak, and his support poor and wifomy. Yea Im going to discredit a weak vote for arbitrary reasons. If he wanted discussion on my reads he would ask about them.

2) No, I'm pointing out that if he thought I was scum he would make a case or at least point them out. He hasn't done any of it, because he isn't hunting for scum. What makes his vote valid? There's no genuine effort in it.

3) rather than address me directly he takes a path of ignoring me. He still hasn't directly talked to me. I don't care that he used your post to vote me, I'm noting that he is making a deliberate attempt to avoid directly addressing me. Is this a style of his?

4) What I think you mean is its aggressive, and scum use it as much as a town would.

[pisskop]

Since I think the actual issue surrounding Luca is like inane, no, I didn't go look.

I think the PK issue needs addressing though.

That's not what you say here. You clearly think my read of Luca is important.

Which didn't address the point. Why didn't you respond to DG's follow-up to you about it?

First it should be noted that pisskop was playing the completed game with Luca in (Luca was town, pisskop was scum), and so having been in it he has more of a feel for the game as a whole compared to me who just read through Luca's ISO. That being said, I generally disagree with pisskop's bolded statement. Luca would admittedly fall away from the game for days at a time, but his posting was ok if not inspiring. He contributed much more to the early game than he has here, and also did not prod dodge as he has here.

This? I don't see any discrepancy between my attitude about all the non-content posters and Luca.

And, and more evidence that you do think its important.

[pisskop]

Wha~? Why did you vote Gant but question mastin for similar sentiment?

Its not DG (the player) that matters as much (in this inquiry) and pardon me once again but this is an outstanding query that has not been answered.

Can you elaborate on this?

mastin2 -- scum very bad entry reads, bad vote switch backpedal. So sad r/l tho.

And this, please.

478 Can you use his ingame content to describe this nullscum read? Like post analysis.

I need to look at those recent posts.

Any luck with this?

[pisskop]

Just going to put this out there

vote: Mister Rogers

Bad. Bad sweater-man.

[pisskop]

Why are you so touchy about Luca?

What does this have to do with Luca? :/ What a terrible question.
I don't like how you select what to respond to, how you analyze posts, or how you push from the background. Also your reads aren't grounded in the game.

How do you nullscum read a player with loads of content for 'having a naturally scummy style.' Lets see meat please.

[pisskop]

Wha~? Why did you vote Gant but question mastin for similar sentiment?

Its not DG (the player) that matters as much (in this inquiry) and pardon me once again but this is an outstanding query that has not been answered.

Can you elaborate on this?

mastin2 -- scum very bad entry reads, bad vote switch backpedal. So sad r/l tho.

And this, please.

478 Can you use his ingame content to describe this nullscum read? Like post analysis.

I need to look at those recent posts.

Any luck with this?

Lets see meat please.

Will you start reading players based on their content in game? This is part of why Im negatively reading you.

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10-4. Now about the other questions you choose to ignore.

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Also what DG question. Quote it.

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No. DG asked no question. Jeepers IDK how the rest of you can town this deliberate evasion.

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@DG

Who do you consider to be a lurker?

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Maybe, but my new reasons - your response to my vote - are bodacious.

Good luck with that. Whenever you feel like substantiating anything you say feel free to use that funky squiggle mark above the foreword slash on your keyboard - after you press the shift key, of course.

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^^Rach, Yates, Nero, Luca.^^

Id be for exploring them.

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But not aptil?

I'd give him time to finish his promised reads from 595. So far, just some general recap on fellow lurkers.
I don't think post 36 was as bad as some held it. It was a skimread

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Backhanded compliments aye.

unvote

I hate knowing zero of the high content posters. :/

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Snow, what do you think of PV?
And also your take on bjc.

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vote: Yates

oh boi.

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I want this looked at:

-On Yates

A VT claim DOESN'T mean that the person is auto magically vanilla OR town.You seem to be assuming this.Assuming this is bad.That's the point.

That's not what he said. ZD gave a list of restriction that resulted from his VT claim. Now, I didn't think it was his towniest moment, but
You jumped over that and started spewing about how it doesn't make them either alignment. <<< This is your scumgame as I understand it.

Is this correct?

yo.

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wha~? is there more?

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If I were scum I'd push that point and call it a "slip" until you were hanged

noted post is noted.

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Until he posts something that looks scummy to me - I have him town leaning.

he gets to die D2 if he doesnt post content D1. big difference between being an ass an scumballing yourself into nonposting.

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o.o bjc placed out.

i hope its a scumtell.

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But . . . Yates.

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On the plus side, I feel happy to no longer be leading wagon.

Also AP v. Talah can be S/T interaction.

pedit:

+1 at above 2 quotes. That wagon's starting to turn into a buffet.

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Also Snork's entry post looks ridiculously town.

The only not-town part of Snork's post is the lack of Roger's in it. Frankly, rogers should be in every townblock at this point.

Oh MR is Rogers Im dumb.

Thank you.

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Yea no totally super detective work being put into those reads/votes.

Snork, anything particular?

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Another top detective, deducing that voting for a scumread is scummy.

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:/

you must not know my meta.

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Your reads are all flipped, which is a huge indicator. Your votes are the picture of opportunistic because they don't come with any analysis, reasoning, or justification that anyone can follow. And you've pushed things out of context despite being reminded repeatedly.

Do explain who ive flipped on. Also which votes lack reasoning tgat wasnt previously presented. Also what ooc material i repeatedly push.

Somebody is stretching a vague push.

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My scumreads are Yates, DG, Anxiety. Ive got room for mild reads on AP, Luca, RM, and increasingly talah.

I dont know how you would have missed those. :/ Well except for talah, but thats anxietywagonrecent.

Its almost like you choose not to read the materal.

And while Im gere, Snork what vote other than my second Yates vote was opportunistic? oh.

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wrt Anxiety

338 initial opinion
437 analysis

Instead of yourself how about joining me on the anxiety wagon?
The bonus is he's actually scum!

How can I be the only person voting him?

BeetleJuiCe is fitting Stop your nonsense and make contents.

I think I can go for an anxiety wagon.

vote: 4nxi3ty

and still dont feel completely safe around Rogers.

Annnd look at that. I wont claim there wasnt oppurtunity; oppurtunity is awsome.

You cant say im trying to hide my votes when I have already cast more votesthan some will all game. It counter-intuitive to pretend Im trying to to be any sort of guileful by voting so noticeably. bad.

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been checking in to skim occasionally, but RL demands my attention.

Ill try to read upon monday, but tuesday afternoon at latest.

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Im pretty sure at one person everybody (else) considers town is a scummy scummy man.