NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[SiX]

Just arrived at the battlefield, no reads or anything.

UNVOTE:

[SiX]

VOTE:

No reason, The Admiral just seem very sophisticated to me.

[SiX]

Aptil I think, why?

[SiX]

Reading this thread with 91 pages would kill me. I prefer you guys quoting something you want me to share my opinion of, ty ^^

[SiX]

I've read from Page 70 back to page 89, the last 8 pages I've just rushed through before digging in the past.

There have been a couple of things bugging me.

ThAdmiral

, his vote on Aptil is obviously confusing to me. Regardless if he read him as Scum or not, him leading the bandwagon with his arguements seemed oddish to me.
Yes I'm surprised that he today stands alone on his fight against Nero Cain and some others(?).

RachMarie

, I don't like the amount of randomness that I've rad in her posts and her ways in defending herself at times.

Nero Cain

, I don't like how he comes playing the white knight with RachMarie. No offense meant here but RM seems like a player the mafias could consider trying to buddy.

AngryPidgeon

, I don't like at all, actually if I were to vote someone it would be you.
Checking Day 1, you were leading the band of 7 against Talah, someone Aptil apparently wasted my bullet on.
What I mean her, jumping as the last vote on an obvious town from scum-sight would be a bad play, instead Talah would have been a solid ground.
I also don't like your white knighting on Nero Cain (Someone I suspect as mafia), 4nxi3ty (someone I also suspect as mafia) and holds a suspicion which might actually go through late game against Aptil (me), thought it may also be seen from town side.

4nxi3ty

, I don't like the reasons you're trying to use to lynch players, Eg Aptil. How you lurk around to only turn up once in a while.

SnowStorm

, I don't like your vote which came without an elaboration, just an "I agree!"

Snork

, The enthusiasm seems townish to me, yet I'm questioning some things at time. You seem a little too naive with your beliefs, eg as soon as a claim comes you're supporting it throughout like you wouldn't dare to lead a bandwagon on someone claiming, instead it's better to 'buddy attempt' (Eg Aptil's claim) though the condition might be like AngryPidgeon explained.

I'm really up for lynching Angrypidgeon here.
Based on Angrypidgeon's flip, ThAdmiral and 4nxi3ty might be worth looking into.
Based on ThAdmiral's flip, Nero Cain might be worth looking into.

Some ATM thoughts of mine.

VOTE:

[SiX]

@

Egg

, Apparently he claimed Vigilante.

[SiX]

Since Aptil already claimed 1-shot Vigilante and used my most important ability on Talah, I assume telling the full story would do no harm.
To be presice here I'm NOT 1-shot Vigilante, but Jack-Of-All-Trades.

I may mimic either Bodyguard or Vigilante and I can only use each ability once.
#1 1-Shot Vigilante
#2 1-Time Bodyguard protection.

[SiX]

Self protect? Should my protect succeed I die in the protected player's place.
So don't bitch about that, ty. Sorry for being honest.

[SiX]

Bodyguard
- I can protect a player once, should my protect fail I lose the ability.
- Should my protection succeed, I die in the protected one's place.

Pretty much the remains of my powers.

And yes, I'm Jack-of-all-trades or whatever it's called, lol.

[SiX]

Seriously, how come you believe a 1-shot Vigilante claim but not a JOAT claim?
Is something wrong - what?

A majority trusted 1-Shot Vigilante would have no reason to claim something else to confuse his own team, especially as scum.
I claim JOAT, should there be power-roles out there who would require my 1-time protection I'm capable of assisting.
There're really no reason for me to hide it, since I make no harm to any enemy team whatsoever since a player will die eitherway.

Players who question me should without a doubt die.

[SiX]

Of course it does.
Either there're 2 JOAT's having different abilities, since this is the FIRST time I've ever heard of this role anyway.
Or you're a Mafia fake claiming. Tbh I'm not willed to get you killed just yet, should you actually flip JOAT and #1 is true.

[SiX]

Marie & Egg, you're thinking too deep about things.

My claim:
- Aptil claimed 1-Shot Vigilante which is only 50% of my powers.
- My Bodyguard protection in where I trade my life for someone else's makes no harm to the mafias.
- You CC JOAT with more dangerous abilities than mine puts you under the nightkill instead.
- Through claiming Bodyguard, the last 50% of my powers I may be able to put it to some other power role's service.

@

Egg

, yes I was. But not this time.

[SiX]

You also don't seem to realize that my Bodyguard is a 1-time Usage. I can only use it once.
That means, should I protect Egg this round and he's not shot, I lose my Bodyguard ability.
Should I target Egg and he's shot, I die.

= No Harm to the Mafias whatsoever since the chance of me misusing it is too great. The best I can is just to claim it.

[SiX]

How am I a huge threat to the Mafia?

[SiX]

- Aptil already claimed my role as "1-Shot Vigilante" so I was already marked as a PR.
- Aptil used the Vigil shot on Talah, I lost my Kill ability.
- All what remained was my Bodyguard ability
#1 I can't self-protect
#2 I can only send in a PM saying protecy X, regardless if the protection succeeds or fails it's a 1-time usage just as the shot, I lose it directly after that round.
#3 should it succeed, I trade my life for the protected one's.
- I had no obligation whatsoever to claim, I claimed by free will.
- I can offer my services should there be someone who needs me.
- I just replaced in without much knowledge about this game.
- You suspecting me suggests the Mafias to get me lynched rather than shooting me.
- There are way more experienced / dangerous players for the mafias to shoot rather than me.
- You CC my claim without thinking twice about it, blame yourself.

[SiX]

I don't trust RachMarie enough to use my powers on her, sorry.
Check Page 97, last post and you'll see why.

@

RM

, it was also to Egg, not only you.

@

Egg

, Also, what you claim almost feels fishy to me. It feels like you're explaining how you're thinking AND how you will act.
(Eg, you being a Nightkiller)

[SiX]

Because you say so Nero? I suspect you aswell and the harder you push for it the more I suspect you and Marie being scumbuds.

[SiX]

Egg, how ironic isn't this.

Rach, I noticed the crumb which is why I said you were town. I was thinking we could let you stay hidden and nail Six when you flip or had to claim later.

unvote, vote Six

Let's do this.

Six, weren't you the guy that fakeclaimed doc as VT because you wanted the JK lynched?

If so, promise me you aren't VT here because if you are I refuse to ever play with you again.

Six, yeah because it makes perfect sense for me as scum to think you need to be NK'd and post the same thing in thread[/sarcasm]

Nero, he's probably setting himself up in case scum are dumb enough to shoot Rach instead of him and he doesn't die in her place.

Also, Six ignored my request for him to promise he isn't just VT again....

Then again, pere's observation that both claimed 2-shot is kind of comforting.

@

Egg

, yes I was.

But not this time.

Six, you are either a town PR or SK. They absolutely have to kill you. You can either stop one of their NKs which could be disastarous for them later in the game or you can kill one of them who maybe was playing a flawless game. And I get that you could be NK Immune SK, but they almost have to take the shot now while it's still early.

VOTE:

Please, be lynched for your stubborness in not believing my claim, for your constant bitching about me being SK and for disregarding my messages and use that as a reason to complain.

[SiX]

4n, good point on the initial claim.

Preview edit: that's why I used sarcasm tags a minute ago.

Preview edit: ok six, I missed that. My bad. Also, let me say a second time that I'm not voting you.

I don't care, my vote stays on you.
I sort of get the feeling you're intentionally missing things.

[SiX]

Six, what's the difference between egg doubting your claim and you and Snork doubting Rach?

Six - Villager(Joat) - suspects RM
Snork - Looks villagish - Suspects RM.

Snork & SiX uses arguements while RM and Egg resorts to violence (vote)
Snork & SiX are more cautious with who we vote, who we suspect etc.


RM - Looks Scummy - Suspects SiX
Egg - Looks Scummy - Suspects SiX

Egg & RM, tries to start a fight whenever posible of the smallest things.
Egg & RM suspects everything, votes everything, pushes everything etc.

See any difference? Town wants to be cautious not to mislynch, mafia wants to push any posible bandwagons UNLESS staying in the back to buddy either side.




- .

[SiX]

Also, Egg and RM befriends others I suspect, Eg you Nero Cain.
3 Scum-suspects on the same mindset, obviously 1 or 2 of them has to be scum.

[SiX]

Indeed, go ahead and lynch Egg. You will do society a favour.

[SiX]

How the hell is Rach confirmed town?

Nero Cain: RachMarie is confirmed town.
SiX: How?
Nero Cain: she's FN (Friendly Neighbor...) and she recruited me to her Quick topic.
SiX: What if
#1 Both of you're a Mafia?
# She's just a plain Scum Neighbor, fooling you into being JOAT? Practically her Roleblock could be an ability of her teammate since a player rarely have 2 different powers as a mafia.
Nero Cain: That can't be, she's obviously mafia.
SiX: How?

All you do is bringing that stupid arguement up, an arguement proving NOTHING AT ALL to people outside the quicktopic.
Do you see my point, do you?
Not going to risk it, not with the addition that I suspect You, RM and EGG.

Preferably lynching Egg today, but oh well.

[SiX]

That can't be, she's obviously villager****

[SiX]

Rach, yes that's the game. Elyse claimed JK. Six wanted Elyse lynched, so he fakeclaimed doc. Six got lynched because his claim looked fake. He was VT. Everyone got pissed and Six continued to defend his play in the dead QT.

And what's the big deal about that? At least I had a laugh
+ Town won anyway, just a game ^^

[SiX]

Since you question my legitimacy and that I'm highly recommended to vote someone from the 3, I believe it will be you Matt.

VOTE:

[SiX]

Also, Mastin's post seemed more townish than scummish to me when I looked through them. Why are some people voting him?

[SiX]

Mastin, I was holding on to the secret that I saw Rach crumb JOAT.

Yea, since why would you reveal it openly? That would be anti-town so don't even try to use that as an excuese.

[SiX]

Ooo, Crap. I thought time ran out and night 2 began but then I came to realize it's 11 h left, pjuh.

I'm honestly not liking this Mastin wagon AT ALL so many scum pushing at him for being semi-afk while his posts seems pro-town to me, that is when he's posting.
But if it is really necessary, I'll hammer him to prevent a Nolynch. afterall.

[SiX]

How am I scum?

[SiX]

Nice of you coming up with that arguement AngryPidgeon. I bet you, the Serial Killer type held back your shot this night just to use that arguement to kill me.
Oh, and why do I suspect you of using this tactic? - Well I've used it successfully before, it's indeed not a bad tactic BUT a tad too obvious when you're the first one to mention it.

VOTE:

[SiX]

What did I do last night? Nothing at all.

[SiX]

#1
A.) Held back your shot last round.
B.) Sent in an additional shot this round.

#2 First one to:
- Post
- Mentioning the double shot

Nice flash wagon there!

Sorta busy, but quick thoughts. Still dont like DV, especially after the mastin flip.

2 kills last night surprises me and I think that means

Six is probably just scum

?

- To make a fuss about me.

This is not a bad arguement, sir.

- Six having a counter claimed JOAT
- Six didn't like the Mastin bandwagon
- Six claimed having a 1-shot vig kill but double kills both this and last round.

You're about to mess me up real bad here with even proper arguements, leaving me with nothing but the

"Oh noes, those kills have been too obvious" - "There're 2 JOATs!" - "No scum with the right mind would have the balls to defend a teammate being on L-2" - "My former game as mafia I was most of the times just lurking and played humble" - "I'll question your play for questioning my legitimacy"

Those are the posible arguements I can bring up to how you planned this lynch. Would you mislynch me based on you I really hope you're a villager so I can break your pride.
If not, Lynch him asap!

[SiX]

Ok. So. Six is accusing me of being a Serial Killer.

He is accusing me of not shooting last night (despite there being two kills?)...and framing him for a kill that I apparently didn't make and that his slot claimed on N1.

He is a claimed JOAT now but didnt use his bodyguard action on cofnirmed town RM or anyone else last night.

Sometimes, it really is this easy.

VOTE: 6

- You're the Serial Killer or another type or brutal murderer.
- You have been confirmed having a gun.
- You're using a common mislynch act, that heck even I have taken use of before and that's exactly how I know you skimmed this.
- First one to post and suspect me - Making you really obvious.
- There was also something I brought up as an arguement against you before and voted you for.

I've read from Page 70 back to page 89, the last 8 pages I've just rushed through before digging in the past.

There have been a couple of things bugging me.

ThAdmiral

, his vote on Aptil is obviously confusing to me. Regardless if he read him as Scum or not, him leading the bandwagon with his arguements seemed oddish to me.
Yes I'm surprised that he today stands alone on his fight against Nero Cain and some others(?).

RachMarie

, I don't like the amount of randomness that I've rad in her posts and her ways in defending herself at times.

Nero Cain

, I don't like how he comes playing the white knight with RachMarie. No offense meant here but RM seems like a player the mafias could consider trying to buddy.

AngryPidgeon

, I don't like at all, actually if I were to vote someone it would be you.
Checking Day 1, you were leading the band of 7 against Talah, someone Aptil apparently wasted my bullet on.
What I mean her, jumping as the last vote on an obvious town from scum-sight would be a bad play, instead Talah would have been a solid ground.
I also don't like your white knighting on Nero Cain (Someone I suspect as mafia), 4nxi3ty (someone I also suspect as mafia) and holds a suspicion which might actually go through late game against Aptil (me), thought it may also be seen from town side.

4nxi3ty

, I don't like the reasons you're trying to use to lynch players, Eg Aptil. How you lurk around to only turn up once in a while.

SnowStorm

, I don't like your vote which came without an elaboration, just an "I agree!"

Snork

, The enthusiasm seems townish to me, yet I'm questioning some things at time. You seem a little too naive with your beliefs, eg as soon as a claim comes you're supporting it throughout like you wouldn't dare to lead a bandwagon on someone claiming, instead it's better to 'buddy attempt' (Eg Aptil's claim) though the condition might be like AngryPidgeon explained.

I'm really up for lynching Angrypidgeon here.
Based on Angrypidgeon's flip, ThAdmiral and 4nxi3ty might be worth looking into.
Based on ThAdmiral's flip, Nero Cain might be worth looking into.

Some ATM thoughts of mine.

VOTE:

Was a while ago, but what a surprise having both Nero Cain, 4nxi3ty dead in the same round.
Also your charisma, lynch!



Oh, wait wait...

Nice flash wagon there!

Sorta busy, but quick thoughts. Still dont like DV, especially after the mastin flip.

2 kills last night surprises me and I think that means Six is probably just scum?

You claim you're surprised of there being 2 shots both night?
You claim having a gun as JOAT, making 3 JOATs' were you could easily have stepped in last round to break up my and RachMarie's arguement, that would make 2 JOAT's very believeable.
You having a gun as JOAT - Yet you didn't even consider others eventually having a gun aswell but went straight onto me?

[SiX]

How's that BS? That's my opinion and my mindset is obviously different than yours.
So with all due respect, don't call something your simple mind cant' comprahend for BS, thanks.

Anyhow, It concerns me that why just Anxiety and Nero Cain got shot.
Why not RachMarie over Nero Cain? Would she flip JOAT AP's points would a slight boost.

[SiX]

Egg, I can't understand how you even bother.
The way you're right now reminds me of kindergarten. How you out of personal feelings dislikes me and can't for once remain objective.
I accepted my mistake, I bit the grass for my wrongdoings and here you weighting it like breaking news.

What more can I do? What do you want me to do? I can't travel back in time and change it.
What you should do is to get over it already and carry on but no, instead you let the slightest things get to you way too easy.

Now, lets not concentrate on the past but the future, alright? Not that you care but I'm willed to get over it and leave it like nothing but a displeasant memory since I don't want to have unnecessary arguements like those.


On-topic:

It turned out I was wrong on Nero Cain and Anxiety, but so what?
Haven't you ever been wrong on any of your reads?
You suspect me of being scum although I claimed having shot Talah, yet you don't suspect RachMarie for her claim having sent a FN to Nero Cain?
As you may or may not see, pretty many ways to see different things and you and I obviously see stuff differently but that's life.

[SiX]

Yes, now I highly believe RM is town. But unless Egg didn't check, my post concerning them was back at page 90, WAY before the round ended where nothing was for certain.
This feels sort of like a misunderstanding.

[SiX]

Egg, the PM is a personal the 80's related PM and has nothing to do with this game.

[SiX]

Sorry to make this game into a quick arguement chat, this is exactly why I wanted to use PM so we can clear out this misunderstanding in private.
And no, it's because you sign out just because I sign in to the same game (Theme), I don't want to be in such a relationship with you.

[SiX]

Also, why the sudden unvotes? We should just lynch AP...

[SiX]

Since RM has jailkeep, I bet if I protect Snork she'll be shot and if I protect RM, Snork will be shot.

[SiX]

Seems like some people suspects me for either as scum or SK here.
I just want to point out some points that might make me less scummy.

- Aptil claimed having Vig 1-shot abilities, not being vig. Thanks Anxiety for notifying me/us about that.
- I was strongly on the list of 'Not to kill', I had no obligation to claim something I wasn't as scum / sk... at that point. All it would so is to make things messy.
- My first time hearing of the JOAT role and to have 2 of them in one game seems rather interesting.
- I obviously had a wrong read on Mastin being town, no scum would have the balls to protect a teammate who's at L-2 at the end of the round (timeleft)
- The next round a sudden secondary shot came, I as SK would have held back.
- AP wants me lynched.
- AP got confirmed having a gun.

So to say, I'm Town JOAT.


Question for the others:

During the JOAT twist which went on for multiple pages AP stood silent. He could impossible have missed all that.
My JOAT claimed got counter claimed by RM her JOAT claim. Instead of having us arguing, AP who ALSO claim JOAT (Third JOAT) should have stepped in saying that 2 JOATs' definently is a posibility with him being the third JOAT - If you see what I mean.

Instead he makes me look as scummy as posible the next round to get me lynched.

[SiX]

Lmao AP. So desperate.

[SiX]

I haven't shot anyone. Aptil wasted my bullet before I even had the chance -.-

[SiX]

Ok sure but I'm the rb, so you'll have to lynch my buddy today instead.

Is that a mafia claim?

[SiX]

Did I say anything wrong? o.O

[SiX]

I'm claiming mafia. I'm claiming that my team knows you are sk

Not sure if you're sarcastic or gambling all in, in an attempt to take me down with you.

[SiX]

Why would I be lynched tomorrow?
It's so funny to see that AP (scum) went out of his hiding, dying in his false belief that I'm a SK.
Ha-Ha...

[SiX]

Hummer already.

[SiX]

Nooo, not another 2 nights :S

^ All I've to say.

[SiX]

Pjuh.

With 3 mafias dead, this is going really good.
But surprised with the Yates thing, hm...

[SiX]

Nothing. If you want to know why, I mind explain.

[SiX]

Also, Snork. Mind explain what each colour symboles?
Oddly enough I get the feeling I'm appointed 'scummy' - That must be my imagination.

[SiX]

While I don't get why you take a Mafia's last words into account I'm glad that you suspect me of being the SK.
That favours the town very well.

Last night I was considering whether or not I ought to protect Snork or RM. I obviously value trading my life for Snork way more than to trade it for another JOAT. The scums most likely also expected that I would go for protecting Snork over RM and thus they shot RM, who is a power-role and is less risked being protected. The fact that they also did that proves they believe the JOAT story over the SK story. If they wouldn't, Snork or I would already have been dead tonight.

Now, what if I say I didn't protect anyone last night? That would mean my Bodyguard ability is still in action.

*

As Town I wouldn't dare to pass yet another round and would definently use it tonight on Snork.
As SK I may be lying that I even have the bodyguard ability.
Or what if I as Town-JOAT used the protection last round on Snork and now claims I didn't just to increase his safety?

The only way for the mafias to find out is through shooting Snork, not me.
Shooting me, would kill me. Shooting Snork would kill me if

*

is applied.
But through having me die, the mafias would lose a precious SK suspect (lynch) and I highly believe they don't want to afford finding out which is what.

That said, TWIE is in the danger zone now after confirmed by Snork not having a gun.

Also, the mafia(s) out there obviously thinks why the hell I am sharing this with you. Simply to confuse you which really is the truth.

________
Not going to go into details about why I'm not the SK with Damon, since that would obviously lower you guys guards and cease the chance of suspecting me.
But what I want to point out is that i'm abit curious on ThAdmiral and Damon_Giant.
So what's stated above are any of the posibilities and I promise, either of the 3 is the truth. You have my words for that

[SiX]

Jailkeep and Friendly Neighbourizing. if I recal correctly, she used FN on nero Cain (Dead) and still had Jailkeep stored.

[SiX]

@Snork, So what you're saying is that RM roleblocked me and I couldn't send in a nightkill the same round the mafias would favour me through killing the one who roleblocked me?

[SiX]

VOTE:

Elaborate why not in case you want my vote gone.

[SiX]

Because PV is smarter than everyone pushing for the existence of a SK (Pointing at me).

Or he's a SK himself trying to deny the existence of one. Not saying that is, just one of the possibilities ^^

[SiX]

If you're voting PV based on the same idiotic logic like you read me with, then I'm actually getting second thoughts about lynching him.

[SiX]

Oh, PV actually made me consider a thing here.

- R1 there was

2 shots

.
#1 Mafia nightkill shot
#2 JOAT 1-shot

- R2 there was yet again 2 shots.
#1 Mafia nightkill shot

*

AP(scum) started rampaging on me as soon as the round began due to the '2 shots'. The one who are first to bring something like that up, has a huge potential of being scum sharing their reasoning for the nightkill, to influence others the way they set it up > And see, he was a scum.
#2 Eventual 'strongman' shot

- R3 there was only 1 shot.
#1 Mafia nightkill shot

Werewolf faction

(Maulers)

Serial killer

(2 backdrawn shots so far)

2 Mafia Teams

(2 backdrawn shots so far)

This makes me believe that the villagers are against a gigantic mafia faction alone.

20 Players, ~5 Mafias which 3 dead.
2 Joats, which 1 is dead. That would make us having at max 2 Power-roles on the Town side (Gunsmith excluded).

Note:

While I'd like to believe Snork's claim, claiming 'Gunsmith' while I already had my fangs on AP (although, there certainly would have been a possibility my fangs wouldn't have reached through without the gunsmith claim) there is no saying that he isn't in fact a Mafia 'gunsmith' or just another sort of Mafia (role cop / goon...).

safeclaiming

Gunsmith, following my side would give him town-credit, not saying this is the case but definently a possibility worth looking into. - Weren't there also one saying this isn't the 'regular' way the gunsmith works?

[SiX]

max 2 Power-roles more* hidden somewhere.

[SiX]

Fatal Error, maximum words exceeded.

Spoiler:

Nice flash wagon there!

Sorta busy, but quick thoughts. Still dont like DV, especially after the mastin flip.

2 kills last night surprises me and I think that means Six is probably just scum?

Ok. So. Six is accusing me of being a Serial Killer.

He is accusing me of not shooting last night (despite there being two kills?)...and framing him for a kill that I apparently didn't make and that his slot claimed on N1.

He is a claimed JOAT now but didnt use his bodyguard action on cofnirmed town RM or anyone else last night.

Sometimes, it really is this easy.

VOTE: 6

Guys 6 is the Serial Killer. Guess I can tell ya'll that much.

This is why Gunsmith needs to be more standardized for normals.

But 6 is confirmed SK, trust me on this one.

Lmao AP. So desperate.

No, Im just benefiting my team by getting the SK outted on my way down.

I guess everyone will have to accept that I dont want to spill more than I have to, but ya hes guilty and probably BP.

I'm claiming mafia. I'm claiming that my team knows you are sk

Uhhhh, most SKs are BP? Like 90%? Any SK I can recall being in a game with.

Mini 1408 - BP sk. (orcinus)
NY 165 - bP sk. (js)
House Party (my game) - bp sk. (surye)
gay mafia 2 - bp sk (dgb).
hpatpl mafia- semi-bp SK (tammy)

I cant actually recall running into a NON bp sk ever.

P-edit: My deal is that Im claiming a guilty on a non-town entity whose lynch benefits town becuase they have been shooting townies lol. t

echnically 6 is a better lynch than me today since that removes one of the anti-town kills altogether, but I realize no one likes me

6 really actually is confirmed SK though , >.>

W/e, feel free to lynch him after however many day phases it takes ya'll to stop being derpy

.

The mafias obviously wishes for there to be a SK in this game and what they want is to make the town believe it's me.

mastin2 [9 votes] (Yates, Nero Cain, Egg, 4nxi3ty, Snork, RachMarie, TheWayItEnds, penguin_alien, PeregrineV) [LYNCH]

If you check, Yates was the first one on the bandwagon. Everyone sort of expected him to be town larer (check PA) but unforeseeingly Yates got modkilled and flipped mafia. PA himseld was also rather late in voting Mastin2 for the lynch.

AngryPidgeon [8 votes] (SiX, Damon_Gant, Egg, ThAdmiral, SnowStorm, Snork, Yates, PeregrineV) [LYNCH]

Here you didn't vote at all, PA.

Skimmed quickly, but catching up for real now.

Will say that Yates has found a secure place in my town reads now though. Was it worth the wait, Yates?

But, you could always make yourself obvtown instead.

You don't think I'm obvtown already? I'm hurt, really.

Remaining players who aren't of known alignment:

Snork--likely town, enough weirdness that I'll have doubts but we'll see what shakes out

Yates--town read

Damon_Gant--town read
Egg--town read, don't remember why, but town

Likely two Mafia scum and one SK scum in:
TheWayItEnds--unlikely scum, but not getting a clear town vibe
projectmatt--possibly scum, although not with AP?
PeregrineV--I lean not-scum, but I'd like to see more from him. Plus I like to

drag him to LyLo

sort him late game.
SnowStorm--still kind of like him for scum
ThAdmiral, DeasVail--not likely both scum, as that would mean AP put them both on his list as afterthoughts.

SiX--very suspect at this point, especially after AP claimed JOAT too when he was put under suspicion initially

So I suspect SiX is an SK who is suffering from some whiplash in between aptil's plans and his. Mafia-wise, if we do have a four-man team, I think it's {SnowStorm, ThAd/DV} but I don't have good reasons for the last slot.

Promised delving into ThAd:

Hm, not seeing ThAd-SnowStorm as a team here actually. ThAd begs off the mastin wagon because it's meta-based, which, um. Meta for me, yeah, but a hell of a lot of people just didn't like that she wasn't posting here. Which isn't meta.

I'm also not sure about his interactions with Nero Cain. I favor the NC kill being from the presumed SK-SiX, but we'll know more about that once AP flips and we figure out how much stock to put in his last-ditch message to his team. In which case the disconnect between ThAd fighting with NC all day and then NKing him is non-existent.

Most of yesterday stemmed from the RachMarie FN to NC business, which I'm not sure how much to read into that.

Bottom line, ThAd is a pile of 'not sure' from me, and I don't have a reason to town read him, but I don't recall a persuasive case.

Did you miss the part where I'm not 100% sold on you being what you claim? And if he's a Mafia Doctor, for example, he could be scum without a gun. Although under your odd version of a gunsmith, that might be out the window.

Well, doesn't matter for now.

AP's today's lynch, and SiX is likely the next day's lynch, and whoever's alive can see from there.

What's your current take on ThAd? Specifically, why did he go from weak town in 2689 to presumed scum in 2807?

I'm not sure Yates would set the stage for lynching yet another buddy in calling out ThAd. Have been on the go today, more thoughts tonight.

First order of business is to see if RM crumbed a JK target, since an SK or last of a four-man Mafia team would presumably have been foiled by a roleblock.

Sure, but if it was a four-man Mafia team, how much sense does it make for him to push his last buddy like that? Admittedly he was in good position, but I don't think he was in such good position that he could count on getting to 3p LyLo and winning. Especially assuming there's an SK in play, someone generally being town read like Yates would have been at risk of eating the SK NK.

Also worth considering is that we've had three goons flip.

A four man team against an SK and a town JOAT and a gunsmith so far with no more than one PR seems weak. Outside chance a Mafia doc who'd be immune to the gunsmith and be able to protect his team from the SK would be enough.

Is it possible we have five Mafia and there's a non-SK explanation for the double kill N2?

I'm spitballing here, but something seems wonky.

So the thing is, Yates was the one who suggested mastin slipped WRT the four-man Mafia team in 2684. We can wander down the WIFOM path all we'd like about how sincere it was, but bottom line is I think we need to consider the information tainted and consider the options. Since no one's taken responsibility for the second kill N2, we have to assume it was from some flavor of scum. I have played in games with scum vigs before, but it seems supremely unlikely such would hold a shot until N2 if given a choice in the matter.

Easy answer is still SK.

On tablet, being lazy for holiday, but short answers to DV's questions are that I thought the way Yates came in after the scum lynch was a towny attitude and so was enough to push him over in my mind, gunsmith normally gets gun results on cops and other such gun-toting types,

and as for AP having claimed Mafia I don't trust what claimed scum says even if it seems straightforward

.

You don't trust him, still you trust him calling me SK and pushes for the existence of a SK?


The idea of a Mafia doc as scum's only power is that it puts a lot of eggs in one basket assuming a 4-man scum team.

Speaking of eggs, Egg, talk to me about ThAd. I skimmed your ISO with my trusty Ctrl + F, and every mention of ThAd from you doesn't come with reasons why you think he's scum, just that you're willing to lynch him to various degrees.

Hey, so game-wise we have an unaccounted for kill. SiX's predecessor claimed the talah NK as a one-shot vig, so that one is at least claimed. Night two is unclear; both kills were on targets I thought were pretty towny.

I'd suggest reading SiX's posts to form your own impression of what happened based on follow-up to the claim.

Re: your ISOing, bottom line is I think ThAd was being set up.

Especially if it's four mafia, one SK, because for Yates to be pushing him that hard when buddy two of four was nailed to the wall by an investigative result seems unlikely given how much town cred Yates had. Could be five Mafia full stop with something weird to account for the extra kill. There are set-up spec points in favor of both.

You mentioned Zdenek in your breakdown; he died and flipped town N1.

I'd be interested in your take on Snork.

My own triple-ISO based thoughts will be incoming in a couple hours.

I can't believe you're still sticking with the existence of me being the SK, after everything AP has been bullshitting about. I mean, c'mon? Only a fool believes a scum.

VOTE:

[SiX]

At the second last quote, I noticed I put my own sentence into the quote.
"You don't trust him, still you trust him calling me SK and pushes for the existence of a SK?"

[SiX]

Penguin, you're always going forth with "We have a scumteam of 4 and a SK" - Unless you're scum knowing the numbers of the mafia team (since 20 players would usually be 5, as 13 makes 3.) You're the Serial killer

herself

.

[SiX]

For fuck's sake. WE HAVE AN UNCLAIMED KILL FROM NIGHT TWO. This points to more than just a mafia in play. What the everloving fuck do you want?

Off to do the promised reading.

Why are you so simple minded to only consider one posibility? 4 mafias with 1 sk? I'm NOT the SK and that's why I consider the majority of your statements invalid.
A hidden vig shooting R2 without claiming even now at R4 would just be retarded, so that one is definently out of the question.

A SK has nothing to lose to non-shot R1, hence the double shot from Mafia + JOAT. R2 came with an odd secondary shot

(Anyone claiming 1-shot vig as SK, would obviously not double kill the following round)

- Hence the setup on making me look SK through sending in a stored shot. R3 was back to only 1 kill - How can you even consider the possibility of RM roleblocking me? Are you out of your mind? I have / had my bodyguard protection and she wouldn't risk jailkeeping me when I would eventually use it on Snork to prevent his eventual death.

But have you even considered a

Strongman or anything like that

in the Mafia team?
No you haven't, you're so stubborn that it bugs me.

[SiX]

So what you're saying is that:

- Aptil (SK) after intentionally having killed a Town player would go out saying "Hey, I used my 1-shot vig ability to kill a villager. Now I'm conftown, Hurra!"

Note: Madness doing that as one of the first posts R2.

- Six (Aptil's replacer) would full claim JOAT even though not suspected (Claiming JOAT with bodyguard, gave the villager PRs' a little more confidence to go out claiming, with my bodyguarding as support for at least 1 round)

Note: First to publicly claim JOAT, had exact 2 abilities just as RM, have never heard of a JOAT before.

- Six (SK) would double kill the following round aswell after having claimed only having 1 bullet.

Note: Madness.

- Scum pushes Six for being SK

Note: Proves how much I'm not the SK.

- Six all of sudden stops shooting.
#1 If I would have been retarded enough to shoot R2, I'd have continued to shoot R3.
#2 Why would RM roleblock me? I claimed JOAT (Having exact 2 abilities just like her), I pushed for scum) +

I have / had my bodyguard protection and she wouldn't risk jailkeeping me when I would eventually use it on Snork to prevent his eventual death.

Seriously, wtf? I'm getting a braindamage from the logic used against me here.

[SiX]

Sigh. Sorry guys, I tried. I thought that I would have a free reign to dedicate a lot of time to this game but a lot of new personal stuff happened and it just didn't work out. I still stand by the fact that my reads this game (so far) have been fairly accurate, but unfortunately I can't help out this game in an essential way without being able to post at a somewhat regular basis. So replace me, sorry again! I'm gonna try not to join another mafia game until I'm sure I can do it.

P-R-O-J-E-C-T-M-A-T-T WHERE... ARE... YOU?!

[SiX]

Snork, didn't you understand? That was me raging at Projectmatt for his incapability to pay attention to the game. For about 20+ pages the R2 nightkill was a headline mystery and now fferyllt claims Matt all along shot Anxiety?
Seriously? The braindamage I was about to get just cracked. I'll take a shower.

[SiX]

Whatever. Anyhow, any rejection to a gunsmith peek on Egg? Yet not convinced about him.

[SiX]

Just a small question, is there a possibility with 2 mafia factions, 1 mafia faction shoots every even round and the other every odd round?
The reason for this is Yates (first vote) on Mastin2, and Yates + AP's interactions. May be a Yates - AP team and a Mastin - X team?

[SiX]

UNVOTE:

[SiX]

But Snow, why would ThAd try to get Nero lynched together with RachMarie and when it didn't go through, suddenly shoot Nero?
ThAd wouldn't have gained anything from killing Nero Cain. More preferably RM in that case.

[SiX]

I've been "Hm-Hm" reading Damon's posts for a while aswell and I'd not oppose the lynch. Unfortunately I can't really tell why, it's just like something is missing.

[SiX]

Oh, got prodded. Still here, just nothing to contribute with.
So who's up for the lynch? DG?

[SiX]

I'm here. Have been reading but didn't really have anything to voice my opinion on.
I'm also rather clueless, there's no one having a scum sign in their pan atm.
But if I've to follow my gut, I'd vote DG.

VOTE:

[SiX]

Isn't DeasVail cleaned by Snork?

[SiX]

I'll hammer if necessary later on. But since I will be available like (all the day today?) and there's still 6h ½ hour, I won't hammer so discussion will still be open in case someone has something to say.

[SiX]

That's a hammer then I believe. Gl.

[SiX]

Good Game, Well playd guys!
Now read PM Egg!

[SiX]

What's a Mafia Ascetic btw?

[SiX]

Were is the scum qt?

[SiX]

Huh? I didn't counter claim anything. I was the first one to claim 2-shot (Vig + Bodyguard) Jack-of-all-trades.