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Post Post #6128 (isolation #0) » Sat May 10, 2014 1:54 pm

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Okay so, I'm trying to make sense of the claims.

What we know for sure:

Tree stump bulletproof
Gladiator
Role stooping bodyguard
Roleblocker who can come back to life
JOAT - powers unknown
Self-governing duel master
Janitoring VIG
Anti-roleblocker
Miller neighborizer

What's left as claimed:

Cop who submits three names for scum to choose from
Even night tracker with cop aspects
Amnesiac follower
Delayer

Night two: Brian and bello ffery claim to be blocked.

Now here's part of my problem. Does anyone think there's just a little too many investigative roles claimed? Also Brian says his role failed, which would suggest that it's also investigative of some sort, but one would think he'd be a bit wary of the investigative claims if he was, but I'm not too sure that he's been around during claim fest so I'd have to check. Also we apparently two roles who are unable to die, well apparently mastin couldn't die who knows what limitations are on nacho.

Let's say all the investigative roles are town, then I'd expect scum to have some pretty strong powers. No one has come forward to be a roleblocker, so I refuse to believe there's another town one.

Hmmm I don't think I've come to any conclusions, but something doesn't feel right. I mean I hope that cupcake is scum, I really do, or this town is screwed. Penguin keeps insisting he has to be, but it's not something I feel great about. Maybe if I could trust more people besides bellifery I'd be more confident in this and feel calmer but I don't. And so help me if the one person I trust turns out to be scum I just don't know what I'll do.
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Post Post #6339 (isolation #1) » Tue May 13, 2014 2:09 am

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quick question:

JSU - All of day one and two you were arguing for an obviously town Cupcake Panda. Why did yesterday you immediately jump on the ohmygosh obvscum brigade and ditching your ohmygosh oh so town read and NOT account for any possibility that he could still be town and something went awry with the roles.
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Post Post #6610 (isolation #2) » Tue May 13, 2014 11:37 am

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In post 6359, magenta_thegreat wrote:You cant have gotten your neighborhood lastnight, assuming its an effect of a role

pedit:stalin

For instance what is this post about?
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Post Post #7078 (isolation #3) » Fri May 16, 2014 9:01 am

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In post 7012, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 6757, Titan wrote:Nacho - I think I'm going to call you town. This might only last ten minutes. It could last longer, but I need to feel the jazz. I just read you and borks iso before he left and there's a bunch I like, some of its a bit easy listening but there's some upbeat tempo in some parts that make me smile. I'd like to see more of that.
This was red.
Also if this was red, and if in that moment I was right, please help me stay red.

This fits and starts and promises thing you're doing isn't helping. I need something this game to help me make sense of stuff I can believe in who I understand and who understands me and won't jump my shit for being paranoid in the wrong way/not trusting people/not seeing the game the same way they are.
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Post Post #7327 (isolation #4) » Fri May 16, 2014 11:02 pm

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it is your birthday?


io qn find a song!
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Post Post #7857 (isolation #5) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:19 pm

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In post 7853, Just Sheep Us wrote:
In post 7851, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 7847, Just Sheep Us wrote:I'm more pissed that you didn't find him obvtown after day 1, more than anything else.
PV? I mean I guess. I correctly identified that he was lying about his role, I just didn't make the leap that he was town and trying to draw an NK/roleblock, so fuck me.

I WAS 100% right that all his crap about who he targeted and should have targeted was dodgy.
I'll explain to you after the game why none of that actually mattered, given other theory points. It's not really pertinent now, since you fucked up. We should focus on lynching Orc/Mara right now, getting Brian/NS tomorrow, and by then having the last scum pinned down b/w {Tammy, Foxhound, penguin}

If you actually think there's a snails chance in hell I'm scum, I just really don't know what to say, but you've lost bragging rights forever.
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Post Post #7865 (isolation #6) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:42 pm

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The only bit of work I did last night was find this:

Nachos day two reads as reported by falcon from the neighborhood.

MastinSSK
, AP, Clyton, Orc, and PV.

Nacho wanted to get lynched though. That tells me his team is in a good place.

There's something else I'm pondering, but it will wait until I'm at a computer. I'm tired of typing on my iPad.
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Post Post #7879 (isolation #7) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:22 pm

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In post 7877, Just Sheep Us wrote:
In post 7857, Tammy wrote:If you actually think there's a snails chance in hell I'm scum, I just really don't know what to say, but you've lost bragging rights forever.
I'm saying that it's a possibility from a theory perspective (i.e., you aren't confirmed town the way CF/AP/Beli are)

Fair.

Although I'm concerned one of the confirmed towns may not be and that's why nacho didn't seem to care about being lynched.
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Post Post #8209 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:00 am

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In post 8200, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 8196, CarbonFiber wrote:You still think there is a chance Tammy is scum
Yes? Yes I do.

She literally spent the last 2 game Days self-voting and talking about how she needs to be lynched because she might die at night. If she truly distrusted PA THAT MUCH why isn't she voting PA. IDGI. This doesn't make her scum but it still blows my mind. I do have a level of respect for Tammy that demands more than what I'm seeing. And I got rolled by her pretty hard in 2 many heads after she duped the town hard n D1 with AtE and emotional horseshit. So yes, I don't see a particularly compelling reason to write Tammy off given that she's been "conftown" all game and is still around.
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Post Post #8272 (isolation #9) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:19 am

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I was never dying this game, unless penguin also lied about what she gave me.
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Post Post #8277 (isolation #10) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:23 am

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So penguin did you give me a bomb so that you could never kill me and hope to instill why is Tammy still alive paranoia? Or was it even a bomb at all?

Also Arthur called it on fh.

Okay I need to pass out.
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Post Post #8282 (isolation #11) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:28 am

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Mine too falcon. Me too.
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Post Post #8358 (isolation #12) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:52 am

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My total faith in you to penguin in the neighborhood had nothing to do with her alignment and me having faith in her ability to flirt to get what she wanted :/
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Post Post #8361 (isolation #13) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:55 am

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In post 8336, fferyllt wrote:I thought scum were going to try to get me/us lynched on day 2. I could feel the wheels turning.
I would have thrown a fit.
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Post Post #8421 (isolation #14) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:44 pm

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Can we just not.

Most of us played a shit game, myself included. Just learn from it and move on. Parts of the game were toxic enough, and a good number of us contributed to that.
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Post Post #8430 (isolation #15) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:54 pm

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In post 8423, BROseidon wrote:
In post 8421, Tammy wrote:Can we just not.

Most of us played a shit game, myself included. Just learn from it and move on. Parts of the game were toxic enough, and a good number of us contributed to that.
How about instead of saying shit like this, you hold people accountable to their actions?

Serious question.

When I said in my giant rant that "everyone who isn't standing up to mastin for her emotional manipulation is complicit in it," I was being completely serious.
I feel like I do. I mean in the game Muffin and I talked about what I thought of how he comes across and I feel like I understand him a little better. I'll never feel like insulting people is all right, but I really don't think right after the game ended, a game that was pretty frustrating for most of us, where we just lost after, most of us having shit reads, is really a productive time to start pointing fingers over who was more toxic etc. The majority of us were, we can do better and should.
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Post Post #8435 (isolation #16) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:58 pm

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In post 8431, BROseidon wrote:
In post 8430, Tammy wrote:I feel like I do. I mean in the game Muffin and I talked about what I thought of how he comes across and I feel like I understand him a little better. I'll never feel like insulting people is all right, but I really don't think right after the game ended, a game that was pretty frustrating for most of us, where we just lost after, most of us having shit reads, is really a productive time to start pointing fingers over who was more toxic etc. The majority of us were, we can do better and should.
So then why not tell katsuki to stop it when the first thing he does post-game is come in and bm me?
My initial post was not directed to you. It was directed to the argument.
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Post Post #8439 (isolation #17) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:59 pm

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Sorry for being so paranoid of you falcon :(
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Post Post #8444 (isolation #18) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:03 pm

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Actually sorry for being so directionless and paranoid of everyone.

I laughed that Muffin was convinced that I was scum in the dead qt. I wasn't active lurking; I just was overwhelmed and lost and I didn't know how to navigate through the game. I can't imagine me playing the game that way as scum, not to that level.

Peregrine - Meta doesn't work that way. I have my good games and my bad games. I tried to explain to you that my mood influences how I'm seeing the game along with the mood of the game. I don't play the same way every single time. I tried to show that to you by referencing the game we just played where I similarly was lost, and showing you two games that were running concurrently in which one I played very well and the other I just didn't.
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Post Post #8446 (isolation #19) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:05 pm

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Also I feel like I was getting on the right track when I tried to approach the game differently and looked at the wagons. Maybe I would have even gotten a scum read right! Who knows, but I like to tell myself I would have.

I feel bad for getting worried Falcon was scum going for the lynch on FoxHound yesterday, but I'm not sure they would have actually gotten lynched anyway, so :/

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Post Post #8454 (isolation #20) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:13 pm

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In post 8447, BROseidon wrote:
In post 8446, Tammy wrote:Also I feel like I was getting on the right track when I tried to approach the game differently and looked at the wagons. Maybe I would have even gotten a scum read right! Who knows, but I like to tell myself I would have.
You probably should have tried something like this a bit sooner. Having you in the game instead of shut down would have helped a lot. Maybe try to develop a tool that you can fall back on if you come across another game like this?
Yeah I know. it doesn't happen a whole lot, but.
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Post Post #8456 (isolation #21) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:13 pm

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In post 8451, BROseidon wrote:I'm not gonna dig through your ISO for it, since I'm going on vacation and am going to spend my time in Europe enjoying, well, Europe. My flight starts boarding in 5 minutes.

Maybe you should try to, when you want to call someone bad/stupid/retarded/etc, not do that. I'm pretty sure you picked one of the tamer things you said about it, too.

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Post Post #8458 (isolation #22) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:14 pm

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In post 8450, AngryPidgeon wrote:Tammy you really gotta stop doing that thing you do though. That thing where anytime someone calls you scum (or so much as says you aren't town) is a personal offense and you have to halt all activities and pursue that topic.

It caused a lot of nothing to happen this game.

Like whenever I wanted to just talk about nothing for a while but look like I was doing something, all I had to do was say "Tammy could be scum" and KABOOM conversation derailed.
Yeah, I know, I'm working on it.
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Post Post #8459 (isolation #23) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:16 pm

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In post 8454, Tammy wrote:
In post 8447, BROseidon wrote:
In post 8446, Tammy wrote:Also I feel like I was getting on the right track when I tried to approach the game differently and looked at the wagons. Maybe I would have even gotten a scum read right! Who knows, but I like to tell myself I would have.
You probably should have tried something like this a bit sooner. Having you in the game instead of shut down would have helped a lot. Maybe try to develop a tool that you can fall back on if you come across another game like this?
Yeah I know. it doesn't happen a whole lot, but.
usually when I get lost a scum lynch will snap me out and give me something to solve. It just took me far too long to try something out and stop wallowing in paranoia and frustration.
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Post Post #8475 (isolation #24) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:41 pm

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Although this game might just be the game that teaches me emotional detachment.
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Post Post #8491 (isolation #25) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:40 pm

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Yeah I felt like she was being manipulative, but the one thing that got me was her saying that she was flirting with cabd for a vig shot. Something about that made me doubt her being scum. But I thought her "paranoia" over me being paranoid was p terrible.
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Post Post #8514 (isolation #26) » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:12 am

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How did JSU track AP night two if he was a ninja?
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Post Post #8533 (isolation #27) » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:12 pm

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In post 8531, fferyllt wrote: One of the things I'm mulling over is how my lack of strong scumreads affected how people were reading me. I think I mentioned in the game that if I were scum I would have just spit out a few scumreads. It would have been easy as scum to sheep some of the town players on the wrong track. I kinda think it would have been better to pretend a confidence I didn't actually have about some of my not-so-town reads. But, that goes against some deeply ingrained habits and principles as a town player.
I thought this was insane and was what actually had me suspecting the people who were pushing you because to me it made perfect sense for you not to have scum strong scum reads, but I felt like of anyone I was seeing the game through a similar lens so I could see it. And, I think it's super easy as scum to give a fake scum read, especially in a game like this, so you not having one is something that I was lost why people had a hard time with it.

It just looked really honest to me, not like scum afraid to give a scum read. If that makes sense, but I guess it's because I was town reading you and they weren't?

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