Tales of You (Endgame)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: breakfast

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc, in spite of basically just stopping in to say "hello", is a decent townread, too.

i'm sorry what??

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i hate falling behind in games

fery is town though

VOTE: kagura

[orcinus_theoriginal]

this is me hauling my lazy ass out of mish mash

also i will actually post tonight

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so are we doing a no-meta game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: titus

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you didn't leave, did you?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, Tammy I feel there is something missing from your play so far.

~ F-16

i'll pay attention

pedit: serious vote?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

have you pushed a case yet, tammy?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What do you think of ffery's latest posts? I have a townlean but I am not as certain as I was in NY169 partly because I know there are a lot of things she can't fake when scum and was hoping to see if something pops up that'll help me know with certainty.
~ F-16

I'm leaning town on ffery. I'm not really great at reading ffery early, but after vesperia empire and I talked about how to read ffery. I don't think she's that easy to read, but he says she is. Anyway, he said that one of the ways to read ffery is to look at how much thought she's putting into the game. So, if I look at that, she looks town here. Belisaurius us on record for strongly liking scum, but ffery's been taking the initiative a lot here, and I think in scum hydras she tends to be less present, though that certainly wasn't the case for chef mafia I don't think. Now the only thing is that she's playing with people who hydra with her/play with her a lot so she could be subverting expectations but I'm not sure I actually get that feeling here. I was surprised that nacho didn't have her in his early reads though. I did like her questioning of you a few pages back; it looked like she was trying to sort you.

i honestly think the best way to read fery is to look at how her reads interact with her hydra partner's

i'm faiiiiirrrllyyyy confident in fery town this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I mean, have you read the game yet?

catching up right now

Or why are you pulling out a quote in which Falcon wasn't worried that I hadn't pushed a case but that I wasn't directing town. which isn't actually something to be worried about me about. And I'm still his strongest town read.

have i made you antsy?

And where who what how? Who says I push a case day one?

if the insinuation is that i said you push a case day 1, i didn't

[orcinus_theoriginal]

reading through this game, i think we want to townbloc

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i asked you if you pushed a case yet because i skimmed your ISO for one. normally when i try to catch up in a game i catch up by looking at specific cases. or that's the thought, anyways

i don't actually see a lack of case on d1 as a scum marker for anybody. i used to have that pinned to fery but i've grown out of it

does mastin strike you as scum? i don't understand her read on f16

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also, what would happen if i said my vote on you was serious?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am extremely lost in this game, and I blame the overabundance of meta-references that I don't understand/have time to go research. I feel like I am playing a game with a gazillion inside jokes.

oh god are you scum this game

pedit: i'd say but that would be telling, wouldn't it?

i think that i have a easier time reading you outside of hydra. in-hydra i feel that i have a harder time understanding what you're doing. also some of the hesitation you have with reads come across nicer when you don't have a person to bounce ideas off of

heylo

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Slight scum
Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) (ill admit though i skipped some of their recent posts... like a lot)
Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)

talk to me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't know what to make of mastin. I think if I were completely left to my own devices I'd have mastin as more than likely scum. I don't get his reads or the reasons he's pushing for his reads. But a bunch of people are calling him town. They can't all be his partners, so it's throwing me off. I don't know whether or not to think they're underestimating his play or I got to emotionally involved in a bad read on me to start with. There's some other things I think, but I want to see how some things play out there.

I'd be confused if your vote on me is actually serious. I think I'm pretty obviously town by this point even if for whatever reasons to start the game I wasn't. I know what I'm capable of faking as scum, and this game isn't it. You haven't set off the same alarms you did in the last game that made me think your read on me was scum motivated though; I suppose that's yet to be seen as you wouldn't play it the same way as you did last game but at a base level you don't feel the same. I don't know if last game you just were trying to needle me by calling me a rampant omguser or if that's what you actually think, but that's not how I really operate. I scum hunt the attacks (and defenses) on me but I don't automatically think scum are the only people to suspect me.

how on earth do you post that first paragraph after the last tales game?

"interesting"

it's ok i'm pretty sure you're town

pedit: i'd say but that would be telling, wouldn't it?

i think that i have a easier time reading you outside of hydra. in-hydra i feel that i have a harder time understanding what you're doing. also some of the hesitation you have with reads come across nicer when you don't have a person to bounce ideas off of

heylo

I'm curious how beli's and my reads are interacting from your pov.

can i not, or is this super important to you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

The tone here just doesn't feel like town-F16. I dunno why. That's ignoring the content which I'm intentionally skimming. Something about him just feels off.

Really Mastin? I too can quote a bunch of your posts and say your tone feels "off" but I can't explain why. This is like you are intentionally accusing me in a way that is impossible to respond to. My tone feels fine. I've never been more invested and more determined to burn the scumteam to the ground and you picked the wrong fucking game to try to mislynch me.
~ F-16

this is not something i remember from F16's game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

can i not, or is this super important to you

Important but not urgent. I'll eventually want to know, though.

Are you talking townbloc in theoretical terms or do you have one?

maybe a conversation for day 3

i don't have one yet, but my general impression reading through is that breaking this game is going to be a lot easier if you abuse the number of people being obvtown

we'd have to sort out concerns with f16 first though

The last tales game runs through my head any time I listen to someone else's town read on Mastin, if that's what you mean. I'm not totally sure what you mean. Unless you mean me letting other people's reads affect my own is one thing that set me off course last game? It's actually a mafia weakness I've had for some time. When enough people say I'm wrong, I start to believe I'm wrong unless I feel really really right.

I'm not writing mastin off as town. I've been partners with mastin more than once; I know what he's capable of as scum. I'm just thinking about it some more.

"me letting other people's reads affect my own is one thing that set me off course last game" yes this is exactly what i mean

ok cool talk to me when that changes

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: elementalhawk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you're talking to me like you think i'm town

i recall you being less approachable in some other games, though i'd be lying if i said it were a very accurate recall

[orcinus_theoriginal]

This game contains 4 players that are mafia, and 13 players that are town.

has anybody mentioned this to mastin yet

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: clyton

[orcinus_theoriginal]

His role has nothing to do with the revelation of 4 mafias/13 towns. Everyone should have known that from the beginning of the game regardless of their role! Ergo, he most likely be trying to gain some sense of credibility and usefulness attached to his role in the face of the Town

1) why couldn't mastin be town who has a role that suggests 4 scum?
2) did everyone know that? i mean sure we all "know" it from the OP but that doesn't mean mastin necessarily read it
3) this seems forced

i'm terribly sorry that i haven't impressed you mac is there anything i could possibly do to correct my sin

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Is this one of your games where you become absolutely useless because you're on that track

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually wait shitsack useless Mac is scum Mac, right

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Cause my vote is on clyton so I gotta make up for a lack of vote-hostility in my tone

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I definitely don't remember f16 posting this prolifically so either whatever meta I'm using is just completely off or f16 is excited about drawing scum

Also a reminder that hawk is boringly not-town

I'm caught up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually I take what I just said about f16 back

I mixed up f16 and fourtrouble in my head

Everything commences as usual

[orcinus_theoriginal]

1. Due to the exchange that has happened after your caught up post, I strongly believe Mastin is Town now. Of course, there is a very slim possibility he might be scum (I think I can still see how scum would end up with that voting restriction/then again, this is simply by meta's rationale), but I will believe that Mastin is Town.

THIS IS A CABD GAME DO NOT SAY THINGS LIKE THIS

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ORC YOU ARE TOWN RIGHT?

im gtown yeah

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What is the significance of this?

I feel like I laid out why I asked this in like the next line of that post

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I can't remember the actual names of the games off the top of my head, but fery and I played very weary of each other in the last couple town/town games

also given recent events i was kinda surprised that fery was townreading me this early

[orcinus_theoriginal]

but fery and I played very weary of each other in the last couple town/town games

ok not really weary, but i don't recall her reaching out to me this early

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i know you do

[orcinus_theoriginal]

how scum, from a scale of scum to scum, is hawk?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Um I kind of lied when I said my thoughts were incoming. I started an update which I'd nearly an hour away from being completed, so!, I'm on my iPad and you'll get abbreviated thoughts until I pass out!

thoughts on broseidon being on the playerlist and not in the game?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

then again i feel like scum-BRO has incentive to step it up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, I would like to know why a player who has deliberately disengaged from any interaction is a town lean.

Because if it's meta to troll the game and deliberately do nothing of any value, I would suggest that's an easy meta to fake.

who in this playerlist can you tell me that you have meta with

[orcinus_theoriginal]

it's not an answer to your question

it was me noticing that you were there and quoting your post is me addressing you

who in this playerlist can you tell me that you have meta with

[orcinus_theoriginal]

bro is playing league right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lol wtf this caitlyn

fed vayne gg sry bro

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Do you think you'd have the balls as scum to scumread me a second time in a row?

PEdit: It might be.

actually right now i'm wondering whether or not you're ballsy enough to treat me exactly the same way you did the last two scum-town games we had

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yawwwnnnn

i love waking up in the morning to watch people bond in this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yawwwnnnn

i love waking up in the morning to watch people bond in this game

please be better

???

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i did townread fery in vesperia

are you getting at something

[orcinus_theoriginal]

page 29

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i mean you obviously know what i'm doing here is asking you to expand on your full thought process for ffery-town and how strongly you feel about things so that i can see her reaction, right?

yeah except i don't really want to explain my full thought process for fery-town yet

which is why i linked you to the part where i said it was a discussion that i'll save until later

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i mean you obviously know what i'm doing here is asking you to expand on your full thought process for ffery-town and how strongly you feel about things so that i can see her reaction, right?

yeah except i don't really want to explain my full thought process for fery-town yet

which is why i linked you to the part where i said it was a discussion that i'll save until later

Vote: Fox and the Hound

maybe

i'm waiting to see how their read on me develops

unless you have something to show me that will convince me that i won't need to wait?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

WHY MASTIN IS POSSIBLY NOT SCUM (AND ALSO IN THIS POST NACHO ENGAGES MASTIN SO PEOPLE WON'T JUST TELL HIM HE'S BEING MANIPULATED)

this is the most underwhelming all caps red big font title i've ever read

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm working on getting my reads straight. I still feel pretty strongly about my town reads, and I'd like to iso and engage my scum reads/nulls to further my read.

sigh...

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Do ye ever get this itch
That ye really need to scratch?
Except ye do it with ye hook
And now ye need an eyepatch

:<

This isn't funny why am I laughing

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok elementalhawk is pretty boring

VOTE: fox

Dumdeedum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That's a scumvote

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm having flashbacks to every cephrir-scum game that I've ever seen

Except for 165 but fuck that game anyways

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm having flashbacks to every cephrir-scum game that I've ever seen

Except for 165 but fuck that game anyways

So like, one game?

only technically

two's still a pretty big sample size

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hi bork i think you're pretty town wanna talk to me about people

[orcinus_theoriginal]

people still try that shit?

lol

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Slight scum
Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) (ill admit though i skipped some of their recent posts... like a lot)
Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)

talk to me

What is your read on our slot exactly, orc? Because I assumed your #511 served a similar purpose as your #311, but you just instead dropped it a few posts later and I don't see a conclusion there.

you're talking to me like you think i'm town
i recall you being less approachable in some other games, though i'd be lying if i said it were a very accurate recall

I like to think we were really, really approachable in Vesperia. Like I know you were scum there but a big big part of your success there was getting past ffery and you used reachouts to her (and deliberately past me) to do this. Either way: is this alignment indicative?

-b

i think you're town, but it's not a read i've put a lot of thought or time into (tbh none of my reads really are). i didn't follow up my early votes at all cos my attention wasn't on this game, sorry!

i realized in vesperia that really the only person i needed to fool was fery, so i tailored my meta to do that. one of my major goals was to get her to townread me as fast as i could. i haven't done that this game, so considering she said that she'll be a bit more weary of me at the end of last game, I was slightly taken aback by the quick town. That being said, she has page 1 towned me before so i'm not allllll that worried?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@orc: I'm willing to powwow a bit.

Lemme see where I am:
Town:
mastin
titan
RG
Clyton
--
Townish:
BWS
Carbon
Mac

Sorting Fox
Talk to me about ehawk/clyton/any other differences you have with me.
Where are you with titan?

I had some open questions to you earlier, too.

-b

mastin: maybe. i think i'll admit with a small bit of guilt that some of my read on him is due to role
clyton: i'm scared of dismissing him as incapable of this play as scum because i get a feeling that he's quite competent. will have to meta, which is ew

i'm not on this list

where are you putting cephrir?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

strong town

not really, no

[orcinus_theoriginal]

holy shit we get it stop

[orcinus_theoriginal]

...that's not what i meant fery will miss you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

goddamnit why did you point that out

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc, what is the problem with pointing it out? I wanted to see if I could solidify my read for good.

i noticed that as well and was waiting to see what she did since i've seen enough fery/nacho interactions to be able to read both of them very well through that

and now we have observation bias

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You're unloved

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also cephrir wagon is all the rage. Check it out!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: The Fox n Hound
even

Cool thanks

Tammy, fery, bork are town.

Your predecessor was pretty scummy but I'm leaning town due to the replace

I'm getting a leeeeetle worried about f16 but lets slap him just below bork on "levels of towniness"

Cephrir is scum

You're caught up!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

absolutely nothing, aside from "orcinus is stupid enough to still rely on replace out=town, most of the time"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'm so demotivated from playing this game right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Am i seriously that off about f-16?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

No.
I still don't really like Orc.

lol is this nacho

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus is pretty fucking town

o.o

What's up hey you want to say something to me say it to my face you nigga

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm not sure what to make of diplomatic broseidon.

OH MY GOD WAIT HAS BROSEIDON STARTED BEING DIPLOMATIC

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: just sheep us

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Bork: I've gotten better at reading fery between our last town game and now

Also exams+modding a mish mash game

Ill be back here soon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh was that nacho?

Hi nacho you haven't read me correctly in the longest time

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Bork: I've gotten better at reading fery between our last town game and now

Also exams+modding a mish mash game

Ill be back here soon

This really doesn't give me any sort of warm fuzzy about your townread. And you were kinda waffly about whether my early townread on you was scummy or not.

Also, you saw me as scum put down a pretty unearned strong town read on Nacho in the nati game. It hasn't even crossed your mind that I could have been doing the same to you?

i'm not trying to give you warm fuzzy feelings about my townread on you. you haven't misread my town game yet and i'm not worried that you will

i'm working with more things than your early townread on me, although yes that still strikes me as odd. especially because you bought up BSG and a lot has happened since then

i think your alignment will be evident by the end of day 2, if not by the end of today. i don't need to make an effort to sort you atm

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orcinus: While your vote may be good, a DesBro lynch is unlikely to happen today. I believe you're kinda busy, but if you're town, we, uh...kinda need you posting, here.

give me a person to discuss with you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

1872: so now is when I press you on your early townread of me. How did that diminish, or was it just never as strong as you suggested?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Right now I'd draw my don't-lynch-above-this line just below RG.

naming a single person here rather than a section implies ordered lists

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ye fery stuff has changed. i have a massive math exam today so i will be available after that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Town

orcinus? would like your opinion on this

saving for future reference

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lol

i have no idea why this wagon is happening but i'm not being lynched today

i'll be choosing two people off my wagon to governor at deadline

nj guys nj

[orcinus_theoriginal]

How does the role work? doesn't sound like a governor.

He's basically promising lynch immunity to anyone who doesn't lynch him.

VOTE: orcinus

you are actually so fucking bad at this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

that's l-1.

start talking about who i'm going to be governing

was i that off on bork?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why is Orc voting himself?

because i'm a town governor, i have no idea why i woke up to 40 fucking pages and a flashwagon on me, and the last few pages are filled with big lettering and bork being a fucking retard so i don't even want to figure out how this happened

this is a heartfelt fuck you to everybody

good morning america

[orcinus_theoriginal]

How does the role work? doesn't sound like a governor.

He's basically promising lynch immunity to anyone who doesn't lynch him.

VOTE: orcinus

you are actually so fucking bad at this game

Fuck you, I'm out.

you're going to post me a nice long paragraph explaining what happened the last fourty pages and why you suddenly have this massive boner for an orc flashwagon or i am going to put you up against tammy to be lynched

[orcinus_theoriginal]

UNVOTE: giving time bork to do that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Unvote

I give up.

why the fuck were you voting me?

You self-govern and then make two people gladiate?

yep

i crumbed this when i said i was gtown or something like that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also my role flavor is ragou or smth like that

i asked for ragou (my diplomatic immunity~), the first guy i had (the suicide bomber), or someone else

so the obvious decision was to give me ragou and make me town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I've had him as town too, but there's just little things that bug me a little. I know I'm not the most predictable player, especially after someone fools me in recent games. How sure I am I can read them next time out has a lot to do with whether I think I understand why I misread them in the first place. I thought I understood the source of my misread in vesperia, and thought I had a better handle on his scum game from the other side of the mirror after our recent mini normal win as a hydra. But, he wouldn't know that. And yet, he pushes me on my townread and basically backs off with a shitty answer that didn't address any recent history reasons for me to be suspicious of him.

But mostly, it's the fade. Though he fades as town too sometimes.

And the lack of presence doesn't help.

What recent history reasons to be suspicious of me?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

How does the role work? doesn't sound like a governor.

He's basically promising lynch immunity to anyone who doesn't lynch him.

VOTE: orcinus

you are actually so fucking bad at this game

Fuck you, I'm out.

you're going to post me a nice long paragraph explaining what happened the last fourty pages and why you suddenly have this massive boner for an orc flashwagon or i am going to put you up against tammy to be lynched

that would be a bit ironic.

maybe but i am being absolutely fucking serious

i do not like being woken up in this manner

[orcinus_theoriginal]

by the way

once deadline hits i'll governor whatever is going down

i'll take a bit to decide who to put up

only I and the two people i put up can talk, everyone else can only vote and unvote

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I've had him as town too, but there's just little things that bug me a little. I know I'm not the most predictable player, especially after someone fools me in recent games. How sure I am I can read them next time out has a lot to do with whether I think I understand why I misread them in the first place. I thought I understood the source of my misread in vesperia, and thought I had a better handle on his scum game from the other side of the mirror after our recent mini normal win as a hydra. But, he wouldn't know that. And yet, he pushes me on my townread and basically backs off with a shitty answer that didn't address any recent history reasons for me to be suspicious of him.

But mostly, it's the fade. Though he fades as town too sometimes.

And the lack of presence doesn't help.

What recent history reasons to be suspicious of me?

Vesperia

our Selkies scum games, particularly your lurking in them.

oh ok i see

so you expected me to make a self-town case??

where is bork anyways? his wagon turns out to be town and he runs away for what reason?

I feel like in that situation I would be the one lynched.

I'm debating on claiming to avoid silliness, but I need to step out real quick. I'll be back in just a few.

lol don't

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Then pick some people you think are town and talk to them now about who you should choose.

the people who i think are town currently have their head stuck up their ass

that wasn't bork. nacho's been posting for the last few hours.

oh god that makes so much more sense
that's like 0/4 now just for the record

Orc is also clearly town based on his role

can we just outlaw these statements

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so you expected me to make a self-town case??

Not at all. I expected you to be more suspicious of me than to occasionally raise your eyebrow and then go back to whatever it is you're doing in this game. I expected you to make some sort of effort at sorting me.

I thought I understood the source of my misread in vesperia, and thought I had a better handle on his scum game from the other side of the mirror after our recent mini normal win as a hydra.

so basically, magically, vesperia and our last game together only improved your meta with me, and did nothing to my meta with you?

ok dude

[orcinus_theoriginal]

once you have one of each, scum and town meta are essentially similarly effective in improving your understanding of a player

at least i think so

for my gladiator i don't really want to put up high-profile people...maybe i'll be boring and put up PV and LB

i dunno

Pedit: i swear to fuck if anybody soft-counterclaims in a cabd game i'll have their head

Pedit: are you done catching up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orcinus do you plan to use your governor action no matter who is lynched today?

yes

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also clyton you can't talk during the gladiate

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh wait sorry you want me to put YOU up with mastin

uhhh

nah

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i think i'll be putting up PV or LB up, alongside fery

we'll be doing either a lurker lynch or a no lynch

[orcinus_theoriginal]

test for 90 minutes, let me self hammer when i get back

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i have no idea why people are scumreading me or why i became the quicklynch wagon but you are seriously off your marks

also i can't govern a no lynch

i might govern the lynch, then just put up a pool to no lynch anyways

fery/beli are you good with going up cos i want you there

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i have no idea why people are scumreading me or why i became the quicklynch wagon but you are seriously off your marks

also i can't govern a no lynch

i might govern the lynch, then just put up a pool to no lynch anyways

fery/beli are you good with going up cos i want you there

I'm not sure beli is around to express an opinion.

this is an interesting test of trust, I guess. I'm ok with it. I'm going to want to know why you want us there at some point.

cos you're town and cos i haven't played town selkies in forever

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i have no idea why people are scumreading me or why i became the quicklynch wagon but you are seriously off your marks

because you said you would govern any lynch that happens today

so

the fucking obvious choice is to lynch you if you're gonna govern any other lynch that happens anyway

no shit i know why people are voting me

but fucks like fox and mastin are genuinely scumreading me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@orc: it's basically a scum lean & POE. There is definitely still plenty of room for you to prove yourself to me, you just haven't been doing it.

this is so weak man

you are POEing after day 1 are you really that naive

and why the fuck am i a scum lean

[orcinus_theoriginal]

like actually when has POE ever worked on anyone ever

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orci are you seriously right now?

You havent posted anything I can remember for like days. And you come in and start getting pissy that someone has you as a scumlean?

I mean I lean town on you, but really you have zero right to complain when other people are actually busting their ass in the game.

after this morning cephrir shouldn't be scumreading me

Pedit: i think fery and lordb

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: orci

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Spoiler: This post violates the rules of the cagefight

morning all

going through this thread from the very start

dunno why you self voted, cos we could've no lynched

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: lb

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lb was a retard and didn't no lynch

more after this quick aram game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc

vig me if i don't post tonight ><

[orcinus_theoriginal]

there is an art to building suspense

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I could go on vla here but I really don't want to

BRO meltdowns throw me back to the bauss game where he and AP were scum

mastin's eccentrics makes me lean scum on that slot

i'm trying not to think about the other gladiator

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus needs to show up and do something.

every time you say my name i get a warm feeling inside

[orcinus_theoriginal]

One of them is run up on D1, forced to claim it, and use it.
The other ends up nightkilled N1.

Ignore lolcabd game. In general, use fucking common sense. Which is the scum claim of the two? Assuming a scum gladiator, it's orcinus, not Rancid.

ahhhhhhhh i see

VOTE: mastinssk

1v1 me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BRO meltdowns throw me back to the bauss game where he and AP were scum

mastin's eccentrics makes me lean scum on that slot

i'm trying not to think about the other gladiator

Holy mother of sheeping-Titan.

?

One of them is run up on D1, forced to claim it, and use it.
The other ends up nightkilled N1.

Ignore lolcabd game. In general, use fucking common sense. Which is the scum claim of the two? Assuming a scum gladiator, it's orcinus, not Rancid.

ahhhhhhhh i see

VOTE: mastinssk

1v1 me

You've been a nullread. Not a scumread. But assuming a scum gladiator. Not a chance in fucking hell would it be Rancid.

The first two sentences are lies. And why would you assume a scum gladiator?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also your argument that my claim is scummier than rancid's is dumb as all hell

Here is where your line of reasoning works:
Person A claims doc middle of day 3
Person B claims it after being run up

In this case, yes one claim is more likely to be town than the other

But I have a PROVEN role

PROVEN role

so it doesn't fucking matter when I claimed, does it?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually i'm feeling that with all the spur of the moment wagons this game could be won through VCA

which btw is not my strong suit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

MastinSSK (5): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, Red Gyarados, Yggdra Union,

The Fox and the Hound

,

orcinus_theoriginal

Not Voting (5): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, Carbon Fiber, Clyton, Breakfast With Stalin,

I realize that Fox/Hound jumped off, but I can't help but feel that--at least within those names--there's not going to be more than two scum off my wagon. (Could be, with Fox/Hound having jumped off.) That's not some arbitrary half-on, half-off; that's off of who the names are. AP's scum off the wagon, but F-16 is not and I trust Clyton to not be, either. So aside from Nacho-ffery-AP (lolno), you've gotten a guarantee of 2 scum having been on my wagon.

I'm still defaulting to 2 or 3. That between PV, Fox/Hound (now off), and orcinus (outside of Red Gyarados), we've got 2-3 scum.
AP's scum regardless, though.

there's gotta be a vig button somewhere

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes, it does. Dayvigging me in the middle of D1 proves the role of dayvig. Doesn't make the player town, though. *coughcoughanyonetownreadingtitus'sslotshouldabeenashamedcough*

No, you aren't this thick.

You said that rancid's claim was townier than mine, and that if one of us was scum, then it would be me.

Your evidence for this was that rancid's claim was townier than mine because I claimed when I was being run up

But that makes no sense. Claims while people are run up are scum because they are liable to fakeclaim something random. But my role is PROVEN. So the fact that I claimed while being run up is completely irrelevant to my actual alignment

Also you misrepped your previous post

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi! Cabd game, there's more to it than x is a town role.

I've been a scum self-governor, and mattp was a scum self governor in Baltomeet.

Is it sad that the person everyone else is calling obvtown is basically agreeing with nearly everything I'm saying

basically agreeing with nearly everything I'm saying

one post

what the fuck?

People aren't townreading her for saying obvious stuff like "hi cabd game". People are townreading her because tammy's pretty simple to read

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i know that proven role does not equal proven alignment

but you are saying THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF MY CLAIM IS SCUMMIER THAN THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF RANCID'S CLAIM

WHICH MAKES NO SENSE

[orcinus_theoriginal]

The circumstances of your claim were desperation, and a need to use the role to 'prove' yourself.

So how the actual fuck does this make me scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I know it's a trivial argument but it shows me that you're spouting nonsense

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Scum gov sounds like kinda OP.

let's not tell him

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mastin 3711:
I guess I could also reach out to orcinus and PV, in spite of my scumreads on them, but aside from, "Hi, I think you're both scum", I can't really think of anything to discuss (not argue) with them other than that, because while I'm open to being wrong about my read, I don't see how I would be.

Mastin, 3 pages later (and I haven't showed up in these three pages):
Scumread at times, sure. But overall nullread

what the fuck

It doesn't. It makes you slightly scummy, and compared to Rancid's claim, a whole different world.

For instance...

Rancid claimed his ability early-on; I don't really recall you interacting with him at all. You weren't at all interested in interacting with a player with a similar role to your own?

No, no, you're dodging.

You claimed that the circumstance of my claim made me scummier than rancid.

Not that I didn't interact with rancid.

Not that I didn't do this or that.

YOU SAID THAT ME CLAIMING WHEN I WAS BEING RUN UP MAKES ME MORE LIKELY TO BE SCUM OUT OF ME AND RANCID.

And why is that?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'm dyslexic with numbers

[orcinus_theoriginal]

really quickly (not doing mafia tonight, fuck that)

mastin when you say someone is so scum that you don't even bother to interact with them

that is not a fucking nullread

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery i'm caught up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

With gf. No

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
4 orcinus_theoriginal
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
15 PeregrineV

*grumble, grumble*
The name of the six change, that I have six does not. Realized that I eliminated Red Gyarados a bit hastily. I have reasons for thinking they're town and reasons for thinking they might be scum, thus their presence. Still trying to figure it out, but that might be a bit more spam than needed, 'specially since working on the Ballad of Tales will help with this and people responding to things I've said can probably already help on that front.

I might be getting distracted by the shiney in eliminating Fox/Hound here and having my vote on Nacho (and if so, zMuff/Nati, I do apologize), but this is something that I need to pursue right here and now to figure out. It can't wait.

If you're town then two of those reads are absolutely bad. Two others are iffy.

why do you do this to me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery: we could 1v1 mastin/ap today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nacho am I town, scum, or fptslbooa?

Scum. Unless you die soon!

If I shove you really hard will your team NK me?

Also, why was I blocked?

Your target was me but it failed.
Seemed like you weren't blocked to me!

ap are you a child?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

what dude im studying

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think ffery might be scum :/

tell me things

pedit d1 only

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think ffery might be scum :/

tell me things

pedit d1 only

k.

then I'm totally onboard with beli

i do not understand this train of thought

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think ffery might be scum :/

tell me things

pedit d1 only

k.

then I'm totally onboard with beli

i do not understand this train of thought

I may be hasty. The reason beli elevated you to untouchable townread had to do with what your role would mean in the hands of scum. Only being able to use it on day 1 negates some of that argument.

sorry, what?

revealing that my role is only usable on day 1 makes me more likely to be scum, if we were just basing on role

also mara's replacing in with me