Tales of You (Endgame)

[Mac]

what I am, I do not know
what am I? I do not know
who are hydras? I do not know
do I know? no I do not know!

cabd is a tease
I think it's safe to say
but this is where I'm heading

Vote: mastinSSK

the entry reminds me of a night
touhou imperishable i think t'was
when scum opened the same way
so when voting I really didnt pause!

[Mac]

50 is so weak
it might actually be from scum
but focus is on SSK
oh rancid, where's me rum?!

[Mac]

On my knees I already be
Crying for the remorse
Oh please, please, please
Won't you water this horse?

[Mac]

FEEL THE RHYTHM
FEEL THE RHYME
GET ON UP
IT'S BOBSLED TIME

[Mac]

Oh that would be a pleasure
Really, that is great!
A crew to join, a friend to say
"Ye be over here, first mate!"

A argument that ye has made
A reasonable point that has arisen
I still wish to hear from mastinSSK
While trapped in this prose prison

Does the pirate see some town
in the posts of the accused?
but meanwhile whilst I wait
I dance to the rhythm and blues

[Mac]

This sounds excellent
This could be so much fun
Living the life of a pirate
A life that's on the run!

The Jolly Rhymers could be good
The Prose Pirates sounds okay
But what does really matter
Is guzzling rum each day!

Carbon Fiber, a hydra that seems to be
I see not much in their one post
A question posed to a red pokemon
On that they cannot coast.

I would like to take a look
At FourTroubles other games
To see if he takes a conservative approach
Calling out people by names.

[Mac]

A very quick metadive
There are things I have to do
But the suggestion that FT may be scum,
On their OP just might not be true

He seems to be a man of questions
His questions as town are rather ample
But as scum he gets seemingly aggressive
See =19440]Micro 134, for example

But alas, I must now go
There is a ship that must be cleaned
I should leave the metadiving to ffery
for no one else will ever be metaqueened

[Mac]

Zoinks! That didn't work.
Will a mod clean that up?
In the meantime, let's try again.
So Micro 134, PLEASE LINK UP

[Mac]

[quot="Lord Business"]A player focusing entirely on the game setup and theme stands out as trying not to interact with the players.[/quote]

A question I must pose
I've wondered all my days
But can you point to some posts
You feel support this little phrase?

[Mac]

My manual replying skills
They are not so great

@Mod

, would you be so kind
To fix that little state?

[Mac]

And no I'm not omgusing before anyone accuses me of that BS. But I do not believe for one second Town!Mastin makes those posts. I just don't.

Tammy, I feel you may be town
But this has made me frown.
Why does this series of mastin posts
Come more from scum than town?

[Mac]

MAC - He doesn't feel like he's actually trying to figure out the game though he feels like he's posturing the game. The reason why I said it's not omgus because in the last game, in which he was in!, the entire scum team came after me and when I identified their motivations as scum motivation they discredited me by saying that I was just omgusing.

Thanks for the explanation
I surely do agree
OMGUS is a way of discrediting
Arguments made legitamatelee

Having had a read back
I think I may be swayed (146)
mastin possibly trying to discredit
a nacho/tammy bond before it is made?

I was tempted to change my vote
But here I think it stays
I soon hope to engage mastin a bit more
But let's see how this plays

[Mac]

A player focusing entirely on the game setup and theme stands out as trying not to interact with the players.

A question I must pose
I've wondered all my days
But can you point to some posts
You feel support this little phrase?

Do you have a post restriction?

Oh yes I surely do
For to post like this all game
I'd have to be mad!
And mad is not my aim.

OBLIGATORY NO FLAVOR KNOWLEDGE
THIS GAME SEEMS FLAVOR INTENSIVE THOUGH GG NO RE

ALSO WTF ISNT COPPER A STEALTH HYDRA AS IS??!?!

TOO MANY HYDRAS THIS GAME

THOUGH D1 IS EASY

VOTE: JUS

LYNCH THIS SLOT D1
PROBABLY SCUM
AT WORST WE GET RID OF AN ANTITOWN SLOT

SHEEP GIVEN IF READS ARE SOCIO-ACCURATE.

Those are some complicated sample PMs.

Bold the setup and theme talk.
Two posts in the entire game and almost all the text is on it. One caps locked vote and the reason tacked to that is vague and seems designed to be easily written off as ridiculous during RVS.

Or was this not what you were asking?

This was exactly what I wanted
Thanks for making it clear
But personally I don't see it
As focusing on setup spec here

I know the first post is jokey
But I get the same feel from post two
Because it's referencing the OP "mod" role PMs
How does it differ to you?

I guess we won't really know
Until Cupcake steps up to the plate
And answers what we question
If he's not too late.



@ Titan. It was apparent the response from you to me came from different people, but you haven't actually addressed why one of you chose to panic post and declare a need to lynch me and then one of you came in with what appeared to be a an attempt to respond to my issues, albeit in a belittling fashion.[/quote]

[Mac]

I've never known
mastin to talk about tone
shouldn't that hydra know
that is my show

You need to talk to Muffin
Because this isn't a good show of rhyme
The Jolly Rhymers need solid effort
And this Nati, from you it's currently crime

[Mac]

I've never known
mastin to talk about tone
shouldn't that hydra know
that is my show

You need to talk to Muffin
Because this isn't a good show of rhyme
The Jolly Rhymers need solid effort
And this Nati, from you it's currently crime

iIt has just occured to me
I can't seperate the heads
So it could be the other way around
I need to take my meds

[Mac]

And now nobody is going to listen to any of my reads, so congratulations scum you've learned to get me to react and I still haven't learned not to.

I will continue to listen
Although I'm not sure that means much
Since my only means of communication
Is illustrated as such.

Although I know it's in your nature
Can we cool it with emotions and appealing
Because it's not going to help
With you being so revealing

[Mac]

@Tammy, I read your ISO more closely. I actually think you are pretty town now. So, the reason I didn't initially have a strong townread was that your post 53 felt a little aggressive because I assume Nacho would probably town himself up regardless but I do like the follow up in 74 asking ffery what she thought of Bork. I like the suspicion of me as well since you never read me wrong before, I assumed scum-you would townread me to keep it consistent. Post 126 looked really town as well and 129 mirrored my thoughts and the rest of your ISO feels town as well. My mistake.

What do you think of NotScience's posts so far?

~ F-16

hahaha can we vote this

This old rhyming fool
Is rather curious as to why
You pose such a question
But do not vote the guy?

[Mac]

@Tammy, I read your ISO more closely. I actually think you are pretty town now. So, the reason I didn't initially have a strong townread was that your post 53 felt a little aggressive because I assume Nacho would probably town himself up regardless but I do like the follow up in 74 asking ffery what she thought of Bork. I like the suspicion of me as well since you never read me wrong before, I assumed scum-you would townread me to keep it consistent. Post 126 looked really town as well and 129 mirrored my thoughts and the rest of your ISO feels town as well. My mistake.

What do you think of NotScience's posts so far?

~ F-16

hahaha can we vote this

This old rhyming fool
Is rather curious as to why
You pose such a question
But do not vote the guy?

Arthur's asking me if we can vote him.

So can you tell me why
you haven't engaged your friend
when he's clearly asking you
for your help to send

[Mac]

This kind of talk is disgusting
Can we cut the crap out ?
Because quite frankly
Ye be messin' me about!

[Mac]

VOTE: Yukari

I'm curious. I know Yukari has been a non-presence so far, but why him over orcinus for example?

[Mac]

VOTE: Yukari

I'm curious. I know Yukari has been a non-presence so far, but why him over orcinus for example?

Why the Christ would we vote Orci? For saying hi with a vote? That's not weird.

Yukari's lack of engagement, however, is.

Both heads agreed on our vote before it was cast.

Pedit : jinx

throwing down a naked vote isn't really engaging anyone either, is it?

[Mac]

VOTE: Yukari

I'm curious. I know Yukari has been a non-presence so far, but why him over orcinus for example?

Why the Christ would we vote Orci? For saying hi with a vote? That's not weird.

Yukari's lack of engagement, however, is.

Both heads agreed on our vote before it was cast.

Pedit : jinx

throwing down a naked vote isn't really engaging anyone either, is it?

It's engaging you.

There's a reason I like reverse trajectories.

Meh, I guess.

There is no post restriction. Or is there?

[Mac]

Something doesn't sit right with me about 436. Perhaps it's the repetition of the same point twice, but I've spent about 10 minutes trying to decide if it's coming from a town PoV or scum, and as of yet, I'm undecided.

[Mac]

@ElementalHawk

I'm wondering why you feel you've hit scum in CF and yet your vote hasn't moved? Also your reasons for suspecting Clyton are pretty weak, and barely enough to suspect someone for.

[Mac]

Mac, ye deserter,
Ye treacherous scum,
Ye better watch yer back,
Because yer time will come

I can still rhyme
And ye can still riddle
Together the pirates and I
can meet in the middle!

[Mac]

Where the fuck and BROseidon and Desperado?

[Mac]

Vote: ElementalHawk

[Mac]

Oh, Mac, ye disappoint me,
When yer posts do not rhyme,
When I see posts like the above,
It hurts me every time

I know it must be hard
I'm sorry Rancid Broderick Drake
But anti-town I cannot be
Post restrictions I cannot fake

Although it was fun to begin
And it continues to be with you
I cannot rhyme forever
It can't be what I do!

But since you seems so fallen
I hear your bottle of rum smash on the floor
I'll make it my all-game-goal
to rhyme with you even more

So whenever we shall communicate
Through rhythm it shall be
Now pass me that bottle
Let's find the scum with glee!

[Mac]

here have some contribution for like.. a while

town
Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

slight town
Mac
Lord Business
Clyton

Slight scum
Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) (ill admit though i skipped some of their recent posts... like a lot)
Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
Cupcake Panda

everyone else is null

I take it this ying yang nonsense is why you have mastin at null - now that they're saying they're their (HOLY MOTHER OF GRAMMAR) own ying yang, does this change?

[Mac]

this is difficult with so many missing parties.

step the fuck up kids.

[Mac]

oh wow totally didn't realise it wasn't tammy there, sorry arthur. interested to hear more on your kagura read?

[Mac]

it may have been tammy who made that post. I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

[Mac]

Stalin, may we have brunch?

Wondering where you are with scumreads, or townreads that's the way you're rolling.

[Mac]

I think they are scum primarily because Mastin thinks I am scum. There are other supplementary reasons and other things that felt off but overall it fits in exactly what I would expect from scum-Mastin. I don't believe that his read on me is genuine.

Hi, I'm butting in a tad here. Can you share a bit more information on this? What makes you think his read isn't genuine? Do you see it as impossible for townmastin to misread you?

[Mac]

I don't think it is impossible for him to have an incorrect read on me. The way he developed the read felt off. He initially read Titan and us as possible scum after seeing some people say that FT's first post looked off. Then he noticed Tammy's incorrect read on me and chose to capitalize on it. He also noticed Tammy's paranoia of me being manipulating after I blatantly tried to explain to her that Mastin's was scum and changed his read so that he had us as scummier than Titan.

His development of the read looked pretty fine from my perspective. Tell me why mastin would choose to fire at you over Tammy, purely because Tammy was also scumreading you? It doesn't make sense given he was also scumreading Tammy at the time.

This is the second time you're using this argument (as in, he voted us over someone else) and it doesn't sit right with me. You have now accused mastinSSK and ElementalHawk of similar offences, it just blows to be perfectly honest.

[Mac]

A scumread on Tammy isn't sustainable because scum who scumread Tammy with shit reasons generally wind up dead. I don't know why he chose to scumread Tammy initially other than WIFOM or cred for going after high hanging fruit. He has to figure out a way to back out of the scumread and pretending to see eye to eye with Tammy and her suspicion of me was a perfect opportunity considering he was already working up a scumread based off of FT's initial post.

mastin's a fairly competent scum player and not afraid to go after strong players iirc, I'm also fairly certain he wouldn't ever take on a read he felt the need to back out of as scum. This feels to me like you're trying to manipulate mastin's play to suit your thoughts, rather than manipulating your thoughts to suit mastin's play. I don't like it.

Vote: CarbonFiber

Stalin - be around in 3 hours or so? I'm looking to discuss CarbonFiber, Hawkie & Clyton. Probably someone else too, but I've forgotten.

[Mac]

ffery you wanna talk?

[Mac]

Where are you with CarbonFiber, Hawkie and Clyton?

[Mac]

@mod, i have two votes in the vote count, and i dont think i have a secret doubevote, do i?

will read the thread in detail later. pretty unimpressed with orcinus.

[Mac]

His role has nothing to do with the revelation of 4 mafias/13 towns. Everyone should have known that from the beginning of the game regardless of their role! Ergo, he most likely be trying to gain some sense of credibility and usefulness attached to his role in the face of the Town

1) why couldn't mastin be town who has a role that suggests 4 scum?
2) did everyone know that? i mean sure we all "know" it from the OP but that doesn't mean mastin necessarily read it
3) this seems forced

i'm terribly sorry that i haven't impressed you mac is there anything i could possibly do to correct my sin

Turbotowning would help. I'm struggling to feel a town vibe from you

[Mac]

shit, you got me! how will my scum game ever recover from this massive blow?

Why so hostile, orcinus?

[Mac]

Sorry! Weekend and shit. Catching up now

[Mac]

Cause my vote is on clyton so I gotta make up for a lack of vote-hostility in my tone

What seems to be the problem with me? I fail to see any reasoning in your iso other than "lol useless shitsack" after I said I was not impressed with you, which I really hope is going to be backed up with some kind of proof that all my posts are useless.

I'm still so-so on CF right now. Part of me thinks the way they're bouncing people's opinions on them around to figure out their alignment is such a town move, but there's a little niggling voice in my head that tells me to shut the fuck up and go with gut which is leaning scum for reasons.

Saturday post!

It's been a week. Care to actually contribute?

MastinSSK sounds town from their claim to be honest, the confusion about the number of scum reads pretty genuine. Although I was townreading them before, this is pretty much solidifying that.

Mac: Wouldn't put this nearly as strongly as you do, but yes. DV wanted to do some research.

Research being?

basically, if mac is scum, i won't ever lynch him because his rhymes are off the chain
l

uckily, i don't think he's scum

Oh Nacho, Oh Nacho
You are my friend
And I wish I was in America
We'd drink 'til the end

But tell me your secrets
And tell me no lies
To what do I owe
Such a pleasant surprise?

[Mac]

Foxy doesn't come off great from the interactions with Nacho around about 850>#860. Like he's trying to manipulate Nacho into townreading him by laying down the threat of a scumread.

The only thing that gives me pause is why they feel Nacho would care about a scumread when he's being pretty much transparent town right now.

(Us, Titan, Kagura, MastinSSK)
(Beliffery, CF, RBD)

(Town)
(Not full town yet)

(Where are the other 10?)

[Mac]

Almost 100% meta reliance readig through. It literally is a systematic "aren't I obvtown yet?" Until someone finally relents.

So I'm going to let you all resolve day 1 making assumptions on what someone does and doesn't do every single time and then hope day 2 is better.

Or you can just lynch me since only a handful of you have the opportunity to climb under the meta safety blanket when reading me.

And a few I have seen readying to steer their scum read towards me (am I low hanging fruit in their eyes? Possibly).

So if you intend to lynch me I would do it sooner rather than later because I'm just zoning out of a lot of these posts now.

Meta is a large part of how mafiascum works, and nothing you say, do or plead for is going to change that. I'm currently not using metareading you, but my read (early doors it was town) is getting completely drowned out in your posts complaining about meta and doing not much else.

So let's move past meta for a while, and talked about the bolded. Who?

[Mac]

I will ask though, was there a reason why you replaced out in so many of your previous games and not here?

Recently? Yes, real life issues. This was my first game back since a month or 2 hiatus where I got my shit back together.

The problem is that I don't think he's that transparently town, and him not townreading me is actually a big deal!

But the only reason you're not seeing him as town is because he's not reading you as town - and your refusal to see it from a different perspective other than "no townread, must be scum" is worrying.

Like you're not even considering Nacho can be town AND wrong, you've just launched an assault on why he's scum.

[Mac]

AP r u town

[Mac]

where are you heading with your vote? I know it's on the fox and I may endorse that, but you questioned it one or two posts later. Unless that wasnt srs, I can't tell

[Mac]

Why would I want that?

[Mac]

Desp - what made you feel AP was town from his entrance?

I don't disagree, but I'm more curious

[Mac]

Vote: Fox and the Hound

[Mac]

Yukari's catchup was largely unspectacular too. Possible scum there.

[Mac]

Can you elaborate, mastin?

[Mac]

Yukari's catchup was largely unspectacular too. Possible scum there.

Well it was spectacular enough to be mentioned amirite

Yeah, sure.

[Mac]

And now nobody is going to listen to any of my reads, so congratulations scum you've learned to get me to react and I still haven't learned not to.

When this happens come to me.
I'll listen.

This felt town.

It's not really telling either way.

[Mac]

I'm attempting a catchup despite walls of "you're scum" and "you're town" sucking the life out of me, but I don't think I've ever townread muffinman so fucking hard following the series of rage posts on 47.

[Mac]

I want this group of players to burn with fucking fire: {AP, despbro, foxhound, PV, GIF}. And I've been wanting this for a while

Problem with this group.

AP's obvtown from his entrance.

Desp/I are obvtownlurk

p5's probably townlurk.

GiF's 100% townlurk.

So your list is complete shit.

Problem with this group.

LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK

Pv's not even town, GiF still has a chance of salvation but I wish for more. I'm still on the fence with your hydra.

Gonna need to be more specific. I'm Mastin. I always never-elaborate in everything.

Why Yukari is a legitimate townread?

HEY MUFFIN.

AP USED THAT EXACT ENTRANCE, NEARLY VERBATIM, IN A GAME WHERE HE WAS TOWN. AND WHERE MASTIN WAS SCUM AND PUSHED HIM FOR IT.

SO TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW IT'S "NOT A TOWN ENTRANCE"

................. what the actual fuck?

[Mac]

If anyone reads a single one of my posts this game, make it this one.

Muffin. There is a chance you are town. You were in 169. Does this not look exactly, and I mean EXACTLY like what happened to me in that game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=400

I am not hard to win arguments against. Because I very often can't back up my actions. My stances sometimes don't make sense, and even when they do, I hardly know why I have the opinions I do.

If you really think it looks more like my tunnel on bulbafenix in 165, I can't help you. Because it doesn't. I actually won that argument because I got to make up nice-sounding reasons.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

I can't make those links work properly. But it really is worth bothering to look at them.

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. It's seeming as though the people who normally prevent me from being a free mislynch are not interested. This bothers me, but whatever. Scum appear to have figured this out. Without them I'm little better than 2008 consistent day 1 lynch cephrir. Maybe it's not the people I think it is, but they will be on this wagon. That's not a threat, it's a promise.

I feel like the gang up on me here feels exactly like 169, and I think the people I'm fighting with are going to turn out to be scum again. Please actually think about this and make this the one time you all don't completely ignore someone posthumously if I am indeed lynched today. That is all.

This is town as fuck.

I think I second this, and have retracted my scumread on Fox at the minute. They're still null because I think their reasons for pushing RBD are poor, but that post was good.

UNVOTE:

[Mac]

Oh Nacho, Oh Nacho
You are my friend
And I wish I was in America
We'd drink 'til the end

But tell me your secrets
And tell me no lies
To what do I owe
Such a pleasant surprise?

Surprise?
Why would my townread on you be a surprise?

It's wishful thinking that I would cause you be to more cautious following our previous tales encounter

[Mac]

What the hell, Mac.
What. the. hell.

There's literally nothing there that's town. Not a thing.

I'm trying to remember a time you tunnelfucked someone like this and weren't scum.

I'm coming up remarkably short, maybe it's because the only thing I can think of is Anything Goes. Care to help me out?

[Mac]

I hope you don't mind being drafted into my townbloc.

I have very little issues, but may I ask who else is in it?

[Mac]

I hope you don't mind being drafted into my townbloc.

I have very little issues, but may I ask who else is in it?

I have a bunch of townreads of various strengths atm, but only 1 other candidate for townbloc. Possibly 2. I need a little more data.

I'll probably post a reads list tonight or tomorrow.

Okay, let me know when discussions begin.

Looking over Yukari Yakumo (GiF) posting, the sum of it seems to be:

Have developed a strong townread on ElementalHawk/AP (1235), wants more info on why people are scumreading the slot (but 1272....).

The player most scumreading it is MastinSSK, who earns himself a vote in 1447 while simultaneously reducing the townread of AP/Elemental slot (1564)

Overall, a hard

Meh- they can both go on null on scum side.

I'm seriously struggling to follow the thought process behind this, and in fact the reason behind all this as a whole.You've randomly targetted GiF and his townread on EHAP, and then somehow spun mastin into it, and then in the end basically went "fuck it" and thrown them both pretty much back in the cage where they came from rather than trying to sort them?

my mastin read has gotten a little tattered. I need to work on it. beli is thinking scum, though.

Can we have beli up and explaining this, or if he already has, a pointer? I'm keep swinging back and forth between mastin from scum to town and I can't put my finger on why.

I think the thing that really bugs me is her tunnelvision on Fox and AP. The latter I can understand because I'm not really liking him mucho at the moment. But the Fox post back from Ceph that felt really genuine and pretty much the sole reason I have a townread on that slot at the moment was pretty much ignored and classed as "not town" by mastin, and that was a cause for concern for me. I don't know if I'm just having flashes of Anything Goes in my head though.

@bork

- I read through your mastintown reasoning. One thing is going round my head - you say mastin as scum is motivated by survivalism rather than working towards a town wincon, and that was why you voted her in Walking Dead. In your Walking Dead post you link, you say mastin exists only in the form of "AD is scum." What differs from mastin there, and mastin here preaching to the choir that AP/Fox are scum, and not really willing to even consider changing her viewpoint?

[Mac]

I felt DV's progression of suspicion on Rancid felt incredibly town. In particular, I liked how he went from having mild concerns in Post 383 towards a full-out case and vote in Post 1165. A lot of the reasoning he provided there also made a ton of sense considering Rancid's reaction of wanting to gladiate BRO and Desp wasn't the strongest. I also liked the additional criticism of Nati's outburst since was misdirected. Even more than the content, the ostentatious tone with which he cast the vote felt incredibly bold and not at all "safe" the way Mastin is portraying Fox's posting to be. Regardless of whether you actually agree with DV's reasons, I didn't feel like voting Muffin's slot who is one of the most difficult lynches on the site to be either safe or opportunistic (and no, being hated doesn't make him a significantly easier lynch). I like the reasons DV provided for his vote, I like the timing and I liked the forcefulness with which he presented his case.

For starters, 383, unless I'm completely blind, contains no reference to RBD. Secondly the case itself was filled out by nonsense. A matter of opinion is their first reason ("we think Tammy towned it up before RBD, therefore RBD is scum") which comes around six or seven hundred posts before they actually present it as a case. Secondly, the gladiator threats aren't really a thing to scumread someone for.

Their case is weak. Their third point was because Nati displayed rage and emotion that Ceph has only even seen as scum - does that mean Nati can't be angry as town? As town, is Nati the most mellow person in the world? I don't think so. And I totally understood the point he was making in the original rage post.

And finally, the vote was pretty opportunistic given Just Sheep Us had thrown down a vote on them posts before. I wonder whether or not that vote would've happened if JSU hadn't, I don't know.

Aaaand after writing all that, I've ooh'd and aah'd over my read on them.

[Mac]

...But I ask myself, "Do you truly think they could be scum?" And the answer, while a reluctant yes, spawns the question, "Okay, dumb question; do you truly think they actually

are

scum?", to which, the answer--after a small bit of pondering--never changes. Closing eyes. Breathing in. Clearing mind. And as exhaling, shaking my head.
No.
No, I don't.

This reads like it's straight from a book. I fucking love it and just had to get it out of my system.

................. what the actual fuck?

So are you going to disagree that saying that an entrance "100% cannot be town" is bad logic when that entrance has been used by the same player as town?

Because that line of logic really shouldn't be that hard.

No actually, I think I totally misread this. I'll get back to you on it.

[Mac]

[quote"the muffin man"]Well, I'm sure it's going to disappoint you when I tell you that I wasn't actually raging, it was fake rage I was experimenting with because I wanted to see if anyone would town read me for it.

Apparently it worked. So yay me, I guess?[/quote]

You're still town. KUTGW!!!

Not you too, Mac,
You've been led astray!
They're not town, they're scum
Don't turn a blind eye to their play!

Mr Muffin, this we've discussed
I feel that post was town
Just because you can do it as scum
It does not make me frown

Although their play hasn't been great
Some more I need to see
Because their case on you
Just wasn't filled with glee

[Mac]

I'm seriously struggling to follow the thought process behind this, and in fact the reason behind all this as a whole.You've randomly targetted GiF and his townread on EHAP, and then somehow spun mastin into it, and then in the end basically went "fuck it" and thrown them both pretty much back in the cage where they came from rather than trying to sort them?

I randomly targeted Kagura and Yakumo? it was not based on 1556?

And 1591 is a reduction of all the noise posting that boils it down to the facts. And those facts are the sum total of his posting.

This puts them into the (1592) null on the sum side.

Meh- they can both go on null on scum side.

What part of this confuses you or do you object to?

Okay, by "them" do you mean Kagura and Yukari, or Yukari and mastin?

[Mac]

I'm seriously struggling to follow the thought process behind this, and in fact the reason behind all this as a whole.You've randomly targetted GiF and his townread on EHAP, and then somehow spun mastin into it, and then in the end basically went "fuck it" and thrown them both pretty much back in the cage where they came from rather than trying to sort them?

I randomly targeted Kagura and Yakumo? it was not based on 1556?

And 1591 is a reduction of all the noise posting that boils it down to the facts. And those facts are the sum total of his posting.

This puts them into the (1592) null on the sum side.

Meh- they can both go on null on scum side.

What part of this confuses you or do you object to?

Okay, by "them" do you mean Kagura and Yukari, or Yukari and mastin?

Kagura & Yukari.

Mastin I am trying to form a read on, but have conflicting signals (see 1815). Since this is day1, and I'm not feeling Mastin-scum, I have no strong desire to lynch her today. Nothing anyone else has posted has swayed me other than Mastin herself.

So where does your Kagura read come into those posts you linked?

[Mac]

Okay, let me know when discussions begin.

reads list?

Supertown

RBD
Titan
Breakfast With Stalin
Kagura

Town

Clyton
RG
orcinus? would like your opinion on this

Fucked if I know

Mastin
AP
Just Sheep Us

Lol, who?

LordBusiness
Cupcake

Scumreads

CarbonFiber
Fox and the Hound

P5
Yukari

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I mean, Yukari is the only flatout scumread I have thanks to GiF's complete, flatout disengagement with the thread. CF is pretty much gut since I can't really tell either way whether his posting is sincere or not, and the Fox and the Hound is based on RBD's read.

I guess if you go that way, I should be townreading mastin and to an extent, I am, but there's just

SO MUCH FUCKING NOISE

that I don't know what to think anymore. I threw P5 in with the scumpile but to be honest, I could've stuck in the "lol, who?" pile too because he comes and he goes at his convenience. LordBusiness is a strange one - after campaigning most of the day for more game reads and less meta, there's alot of gameplay cropping up and he's practically no where to be seen.

I'd like AP and Mastin to just shut up, articulate their cases against each other in nice bullet points and then go their seperate ways because I can't be the only one whose heart drops when 10 pages of new content is literally them having CAPS LOCK PARTIES and shouting "HE'S SCUM, NO, SHE'S SCUM!"

[Mac]

is that just in case the mod decides to delete the post? what kind of future reference?

pedit - I think RBD's points somewhere in the megawall were good, but it is pretty much their read I'm willing to go with.

They're in the do not touch category today at least

[Mac]

If I had to pick scum out of the AP/Mastin shitstorm that's been brewing, it would more than likely be AP. He came into this game and was pounced upon by mastin, and was immediately pretty much "yeah, you're town mastin, but wrong." Now since the tides have slowly been turning against mastin, he's shifted his opinion to suit with it and something about his trajectory (/ffery) feels very off.

Like early doors, mastin was yelling about AP being scum. And I don't think all that much has changed between mastin then and mastin now.

[Mac]

If MastinSSK flips scum, I think you should at least re-evaluate Rancid on D2 given his interactions with MastinSSK.

And WHEN I flip town...

...You do what?

(I actually did have a thought when driving. Of maybe-he's-actually-scum. But I told myself, "Screw it. Right, wrong, doesn't matter. Stick with the townread anyway.)

Yo, what?

[Mac]

@AP: earlier you said that Mastin is clearly Town, but due to recent developments, you are inclined to believe she is scum based on her behavior and actions towards you. Let me ask: is she your strongest scumread and therefore, you are voting her based on that? (Also, is this scum level stronger than she is town level?) Or do you just want to lynch her because she is the "weakest link" to the town and that there is no other viable scummy options at the moment?

No, I think Kagura is probably my favorite pick for scum right now. A side of Carbon and PV. Id probably rather lynch any of these 3 than mastin, but Ive long since given up on wagoning CF and Kagura. Mastin seems determined to accuse me of bussing PV and then not actually do anything when I suggest we wagon PV, so ya. Mastin is a fine place to vote unless people want to lynch my other picks.

Y u no lynch RBD with me

reads that would be relatively easy become conflicted messes when players I kinda think are town scumread each other so doggedly.

why do you think RBD is scum?

and ask desp if he thinks scum-nati would spend the Song uPick trust card today.

This read really shouldn't be that hard.

They've done nothing all game but make or support shit pushes. From the onset, with mastin attacking Tammy for... no good reason, they were immediately buddied up. There's a quote from Mean Girls that's pretty apt here:



There's also the whole burying the thread in noise thing and the alt-slipping and pretending to be each other to obfuscate who is thinking what, but that's more "icing on the cake" than "needed to demonstrate their scumminess"

This is a pretty fucking shit case against them, and I think you know that. You've had series of shit posts on this page. I mean why wouldn't mastin, who loves herself quite a bit and I'm sure considers herself a very good player, want a role where she can't die other than by lynch?

[Mac]

Vote: CarbonFiber

Refusal to produce a case on RBD might as well have been a scumclaim. It's probably because he doesn't have one.

[Mac]

Why the fuck would I respond with so much noise on a case, when I'm clearly calling the mastin/AP shitstorm the noise? If you argue that that is a case then so fucking help me.

No I won't be convinced in the slightest, but I want to see a case made for why you are scumreading them. It's not hard, is it?

[Mac]

You can make cases to prove you're not fabricating your read. Which is what I'm sure suspected town would want to do.

[Mac]

haha, nice try. I'm saying gut (well it was at least). You're saying you have a case but refuse to post it.

[Mac]

Misread, point still stands. You could build a case, but won't.

[Mac]

Well you haven't once said it's gut as far as I can recall. But when you're asked, you say you won't produce a case before RBD probably won't be lynched. I can't see RBD getting lynched at all, so are you just not gonna build a case at all?

In fact, your three scumreads (RBD, mastin, AP) are generally hard-to-lynch players - do you not intend case building at all?

[Mac]

Vote: Peregrine

I haven't really read much of the last pages and may not get time before the deadline.

[Mac]

There are some key reasons why this RBD lynch is a WHOLE LOAD OF FUCKING SHIT.

I still haven't read since CF claimed but still some questions I feel people don't have answers too;

Why does scum Muffin, who is the fucking reigning DON CORLEONE on site and has fooled the majority of players in this game, feel the need to claim miller right out the gate?

Why does scum Muffin fake apathy and then go on to fucking admit it was fake and he just wanted to see if anyone would townread him?

WHY IS TOWN MUFFINATI BEING LYNCHED?

[Mac]

Counterpoint: The town play, in my mind, would be to take it back immediately, before it causes what it's causing right now. Instead, they threw doubt on F16's claim and continued scumreading him, then called him conftown like 10 pages later. I don't see town motivation in that delay.

Holy shit so much of this.

I'm going to be an insufferable dick until RBD is lynched because they're fucking scum and it's obvious-as AND HAS BEEN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

AND YET YOU FUCKERS REFUSE TO LISTEN.

Well let's see.

Claim miller ................................................. 90 pages later counterclaim

Remind me which kind of town accepts a counterclaim that comes 90 pages later?

[Mac]

Counterpoint: The town play, in my mind, would be to take it back immediately, before it causes what it's causing right now. Instead, they threw doubt on F16's claim and continued scumreading him, then called him conftown like 10 pages later. I don't see town motivation in that delay.

Holy shit so much of this.

I'm going to be an insufferable dick until RBD is lynched because they're fucking scum and it's obvious-as AND HAS BEEN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

AND YET YOU FUCKERS REFUSE TO LISTEN.

Well let's see.

Claim miller ................................................. 90 pages later counterclaim

Remind me which kind of town accepts a counterclaim that comes 90 pages later?

What's the town-motivation in holding it in the context of the gladiator claim?

What's the scum-motivation in CCing 90 pages later?

These aren't hard questions to answer, Mac.

I don't care much for the first question right now, but I'm not arguing that CF are scum at all right now. I'm arguing that RBD are town and there is town motivation in pressing CF to see if the claim is true. Why would he back off early as town?

[Mac]

oh god maybe BroDesp are scum.

They probably are.

[Mac]

I'm willing to flashlynch them.

It bothers me that BRO sprang to life with AP's arrival. The energy level and not really logical yelling remind me of 167.

He did it in Street Racers, both town. Not really telling.

[Mac]

the not really logical yelling? he did that in street racers? It's not something I associate with his town game at all. Yelling yes, but yelling AT illogic.

Nah he didn't, I didn't see that part. His energy levels upped massively though when AP replaced in.

[Mac]

I'm going to bed and missing the deadline. Is there anywhere I should shift my vote that's not fucking bleeding town in an effort to save those that are bleeding town?

[Mac]

Lord Business wagon might be tempting, but if we don't find one soon then my vote stays where is it.

[Mac]

[quote="In post 3012, Kagura"][/quote]

meh, maybe. I'll see how the next 5 minutes goes. Would probably prefer LB.

[Mac]

BRO

Relax buddy. We're all friends here.

[Mac]

Vote: orcinus

And with that, I bid the farewell, and goodnight