This pretty much sums up my thoughts about the N1 kills. I don't think Mac was being scumread by anyone in this playerslist (and was actually being townread by a fair handful of players). So I still think he was either directly or indirectly killed by the scumteam.
*Mastin/Bro are talking in circles around each other and I just want one of them to flip.
In post 4388, CarbonFiber wrote:I felt Mastin's initial attack on me was incredibly manipulative and scummy and that feeling still hasn't gone away but I am not as sure as I was before.
Are you referencing the 'rage-posting'? Because I remember that and I was townreading you/scumreading Mastin from those interactions. I may or may not have mentioned them somewhere earlier in thread (but I'm pretty sure I had you above Mastin/RBD in terms of reads early on and Notty may/may not have opposed it; he also opposed my Mac townread for w/e reason that is unknown to me).
In post 4389, AngryPidgeon wrote: In post 4384, Red Gyarados wrote:I'm really curious about this because I'm pretty sure you heavily implied that both of you should be aware of your 'investigative action.'
If I did, it was only because I was still defaulting to thinking they were scum and would therefore know.
Pretty sure this is a heavy implication that both of you should be aware of your investigation result.
I don't care. I'm still voting you and contemplating moving my vote.
*Nothing about this Nacho/Mastin 1v1 tells me either (or both) of them are town.
*I'm still confused about AP/Mastin because despite Mastin continuing the tunneling and trying to lynch AP, AP still seems determined to defend that slot.
In post 4410, CarbonFiber wrote:JSU have been more active since their slow entrance into the thread and have been increasingly vocal and active as time goes by. I do think that some of their intermediate thought processes and read progressions are hidden in the neighborhood but the trend has been towards more openness. I think more than AP's replacement, it was Rancid's response to their vote on them that spurred them into action.
I don't remember the vote and will have to check up on that in the near future.
Regarding their slow start, they lacked transparency in the thread and may or may not have been almost entirely hidden in the neighborhood. I wouldn't call being voted at that point in time for lack of presence/transparency to be unfair. I also didn't like Bro suddenly perking his head up when AP came into the thread and townreading AP for doing something EXACTLY the same way he did in another game (and this was something I was in complete agreement with RBD early on). The frustration at getting suspected for supposedly "townreading AP correctly" also pinged me in a bad way.
You say GiF/Pie and Bro/Desp have been incredibly town in your neighborhood, but the vast majority of it hasn't bled into the thread. So don't be surprised when people refuse to accept their towniness when all we have is your word for it.
In post 4410, CarbonFiber wrote:Do you think that his showing up near deadline makes him town or scum? Can you clarify this? I think in more recent games, Nacho has been whiteknighting townies a lot towards deadline. For instance in NY169 (I think this happened after you replaced out), he spent quite a bit of time defending both me and Varsoon-Mac hydra and then left and the deadline lynch was decided by the people who were online a few hours before deadline.
The timing is an okay reason to suspect him, but it's not really a factor. I think the important point is the wagons he tends to push. When he's town, he might push bad wagons, but there's a methodical approach to it and you can see the town motivation to it. As scum, he's not really looking to determine alignments and it's mostly because he thinks he can push the wagon (see BJC in PYP) or he has no choice but to push it (see Sakura Hana in 169). Also, Sakura Hana seems to be the designated scum mislynch target for a small handful of players in this playerslist (as well as the mod). Also, about 90% of 169 still remains unread for me and I was only following what my replacement was doing and the last one or two days of the game.
Going back towards the Orci lynch, what was the town motivation in pushing that? How would his lynch have benefited town (with the exception of Orci not being a self-governing gladiator and flipping scum)? At best it was a supposed feel-good lynch that avoided resolving the major issues in the game thread at hand and wouldn't have even served as a useful information lynch.
In post 4410, CarbonFiber wrote:I was townreading Pie for the same reasons and the read going stale is reasonable. BUT, he's still been town-town-town in the neighborhood so I guess you should just wait for him to return.
Whatever. He's going to have to come out of the neighborhood at some point. Kind of hard to trust somebody who's spending most of his time hiding behind a neighborhood QT.
In post 4410, CarbonFiber wrote:I agree. I was scumreading Mastin at that time and I thought AP's reaction felt off which led me to think they might both be scum.
It's one of the great unsolved mysteries of this game. And their interactions with each other feel really weird for two players who supposedly are able to read each other really well.
It's hard to go back and point a lot of it out because it requires effort I'm not interested in putting into this game (and I don't remember a lot of Day 1). But to summarize, I greatly disliked Mastin's initial post against you for supposedly 'rage-posting.' It didn't look that way at all. I thought there was some merit to you trying to buddy up to Tammy. I also agreed with RBD about Bro's initial townread on AP being halfassed and bad. I also didn't like the lack of transparency from JSU early on and suddenly perking up when AP came around (apparently there was a neighborhood). I also shared the same sentiments about the Fox being skeevy for just pushing people and wondering why they weren't being townread by a lot of players early on when they haven't really contributed much up to that point. For the most part, I was reading Day 1 pretty loosely, skipping/skimming posts, and just picking sides and running with them.
Also, you were being scumread by at least one of them (while the other just backed up the attack), so there's completely different perspectives between us (with me having an outsider POV).
In post 4410, CarbonFiber wrote:Also, can you please get those Notty walls in thread. I'd love to see where you guys are at.
His walls are largely just him marking down whenever somebody's read changes and making an opinion on it (as well as whatever thoughts he has about the slot). He hasn't done anything since the first 5 isos and I don't really know what he's been up to recently (probably having a life, chasing girls, trying not to fail classes, milking me for all I'm worth). I've just been on autopilot. And I've been handwaving his walls for now because my opinions on trajectories is that there's a lot more to read progression than just looking at where somebody's read changes and for me to go back and look at each trajectory would require me to reread Day 1, which is something I've been dreading for a while now.
I've also been basically summarizing his thoughts in my recent walls. And I think you just want the main points anyways.
In post 4410, CarbonFiber wrote:Give me specifics on what you want details on. There's about 20 pages in there. I explained my read on BRO-Desp read in that wall. I am actually unsure about my read on Nacho-Bork and they haven't posted a lot in there. It is mostly me, BRO-Desp, and PieInFreezer.
It's hard to pinpoint specifics because I don't really know what to look for. But having three slots from that neighborhood not posting a whole lot outside of the neighborhood (or inside the neighborhood for Nacho's case) pretty much leaves me in the dark when I can't see what you guys are talking about. I think the biggest thing is just seeing reads and reasoning for now. Other than that I'm pretty much forced to read you and decide whether or not I want to trust your reads on them.
In post 4410, CarbonFiber wrote:Also, you seemed to disagree with Mastin quite a bit in your wall. How does that affect your read on him?
I think I disagreed with him a lot mostly based on minor non-alignment indicative stuff. My main issues with him is the circlejerk he keeps doing with other players in the thread (especially AP) and I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him. As far as scumreading him goes, I'm not and I don't know what to look for.
This needs to be explained.
In post 4412, Yggdra Union wrote:-mastin has spent this entire game day calling AP scum but he keeps looking for excuses to get off the wagon or vote someone else. personally I think this points towards mastin x AP team, but it could also make sense as mastin scum not wanting to antagonize AP town
I agree with you that this could be a MastinxAP team. A weird one, but it could be.
In post 4412, Yggdra Union wrote:I'd pay cash money for a vig shot on mastin right now just to stop all the fucking posts
Well, I'd love to help you out and take your cash money, but I'm not a vig and this lunatic over here thought I was for some reason.
In post 4422, Titan wrote: In post 4419, Yggdra Union wrote:I found two
In post 4412, Yggdra Union wrote:-mastin has spent this entire game day calling AP scum but he keeps looking for excuses to get off the wagon or vote someone else. personally I think this points towards mastin x AP team, but it could also make sense as mastin scum not wanting to antagonize AP town
-mastin has literally ACKNLOWLEDGED she's been flooding the thread with bullshit and her response to that is? continue flooding the thread with bullshit. sounds legit
-Y
I'm pretty sure everyone who thinks Mastin is scum is right here with these points.
I think everyone is here with these two points regardless of what they're reading Mastin.
In post 4427, Titan wrote:I made you paranoid when i said I thought you were my strongest town read didn't I? I figured it would.
Of all the people in this game, why is ffery your strongest townread?
In post 4436, Titan wrote:He's not getting lynched today so it doesn't really matter right now anyway.
He's low priority but I wouldn't just handwave developing a read on him.
In post 4439, CarbonFiber wrote:Pie said in the neighborhood that he was falling behind and would come back and push for more votes on Mastin if they stopped coming.
Day 2 is way slower and way less wall infested and headache inducing than Day 1 was (depending on whether or not you choose to read Mastin's walls). So how the hell is he falling behind?
In post 4468, PeregrineV wrote:Perhaps you can offer a word to CupcakePanda that if hydras aren't his thing, another player may be better suited for the position he currently occupies.
Why? I don't even know why he's complaining considering most of the hydrae are currently being dominated by one head.
In post 4488, CarbonFiber wrote:I didn't like their push on me after claiming miller and later retraction
, the challenge to gladiate JSU, the response to Fox's Disney vote on them, and Nati's post to Tammy were wierd and the way he approached his read on her didn't make sense.
I remember the bolded part. It was unexpected and scummy but somebody called it trolling and made me unsure. The rest I'm quoting so I'll look at it again later.
Why? Ffery's only scumread this game has been Mastin and she hasn't moved forward to push that with any conviction whatsoever to sort out the rest of her reads. It's been bugging me and PV pointing it out made me extremely happy. I also know what Ffery's like and my previous experience with her is the only thing holding me back.
Me too. At least until they try to defend what I'm killing because he thought he saw a pony fart out a rainbow.
Because...?
Kind of hard to take this at face value when your proposed scum-team includes me, Nacho, and AP together as a group.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. The votecount implied you were most likely a treestump and I associated an alignment with the color as a joke. How you even find this joke alignment indicative is beyond me.
Not something I would know. And even if you're telling the truth about your ability being passive, I wasn't the one who activated it.
This doesn't compute.
I spoiler my longer posts because scrolling through them later on is a hassle especially if people (namely me) aren't specifically looking for the content in my posts. I also tend to fill up a lot of my longer catch-up walls with useless filler content that I refuse to take out of my walls.
Also, contrary to whatever you think I'm here for, it's not to entertain you.
Also, you're reading my slot as town despite Notty and I expressing our everlasting desire to see you hang. I'm slightly amused. You also almost always townread me when you're scum (can't think of a time where you haven't) so I'm pretending I never saw it.
I was talking about PV. The neighborhood paranoia I have is a completely different beast altogether.
In post 4602, Titan wrote:There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!
What about my slot bothers you (aside from anything related to PV)?
Really? The only one I find weird is DespBRO.
In post 4649, CarbonFiber wrote:Do you think the nature of how the wagon formed says anything about Rancid's alignment?
I just think the wagon was a terrible fucking wagon. Who started that wagon anyways?
