Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yggdra Union]

SOUL CHANGE
-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

If you guys know each other oh so well, then especially since y'all are not quite townreading each other, won't y'all want to sort each other soon?
Why put it off to tomorrow? The damage is already done in this thread anyway.

[Yggdra Union]

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

I didnt read the thread since I posted my readlist bc since then I threw my hands in the air and was like "fuck this game".

This hydraing is my last resort of attemping to stay in this game and force myself to motivate self. With that said, I guess I could state my stance again.

I think all of the neighbors are town. CF is so bloody transparent in the neighbor thread (migrated from QT!) that it hurts.
I cant read nacho worth a ______ so I'm sheeping my neighbor on that one.
BRO slot I tthink they obvtowned themselves after the gladiator thing.

I was gonna go over 3dice's game at some point but I havent got motivation to do so yet.
Yggdra doesn't like how RBD handled the counterclaim and is willing to "test his hated claim".

Those are the most interesting reads I can think of right now.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

So paraphrase it, goddammit.

I'd rather not for reasons.
But then, if I was lying about it, the other neighbors will stone me in-thread so

[Yggdra Union]

Also just for fun

@AP, Mastin

Remember the buzzword bingo micro?
The miller cc happened there too.

Compare the Syryana's reaction to my miller cc and RBD's reaction to CF's miller cc.
What do you think?

[Yggdra Union]

hey
ffery, orci, nacho was in there too!

[Yggdra Union]

THE PROBLEM.
IS THAT.
THE MAIN REASONS FOR CARBON BEING TOWN.
ARE QT(/thread) DEPENDENT.

It's not about lying. It's about how Carbon's in-thread presence makes no sense, yet everyone inside the neighborhood is insisting that the content there is insanely town. Yet we've got nothing, no paraphrase, to help us see that trajectory that is town.

Trust in GIF.
Your problem is now solved.

[Yggdra Union]

Also scum counterclaiming a miller makes no freaking sense because if RBD actually flips miller he'll get all the

love

suspicion on him next day.

[Yggdra Union]

I put down pie's opinion on it. I never said I disagree with it.

[Yggdra Union]

I put down pie's opinion on it. I never said I disagree with it.

that's not what I asked. pie didn't like the reaction. that's kinda context free, afaik. you're asking what we think of his reaction compared to syr's reaction in a very different game.

I dunno, maybe you had pie read that game? Even so, that game had a pretty interesting player list.

I meant as if I was gonna disagree with pie, I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place nor bring that game up.

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So the direct answer would be: "Not quite town"

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Compare the Syryana's reaction to my miller cc and RBD's reaction to CF's miller cc.
What do you think?

The difference is circumstantial.

Syryana? Saw the counterclaim, and the way you did it was town. Your CC was done in a town way, so Syryana townread you for it. It literally went,
"I'm a miller."
"Sincerely doubt there's two."
"Waiting on if that's serious."
"It is."
"Well, that was done in a town way, so I think it's possible you're town."

This game?
"I'm a miller.
*later*
No, seriously, I am."

*much, much, much later*
"I'm counterclaiming miller. Here's why I didn't claim it initially, and why I haven't been focusing on the miller claim being scum."
"Wait, there are...issues...with the narrative you're presenting."

And there are. The context is important. F-16's play isn't impossible to come from town, but there IS reasonable amounts of doubt about it being from town, given the issues in the claim. (ISSUES. THAT. PARAPHRASING. WOULD. HELP. WITH. I might add.)
Your play wasn't impossible to come from scum, but there was basically no doubt that it was from town anyway.

It's more of a mindset I was comparing to.

In buzzword Syryana's response was "ok cool you're town let's work together"
In here RBD looks like he's instead trying to discredit the counterclaim.

Get the difference?

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Also why does it matter that he claimed miller way late?
It's not like he held up and claimed miller after a cop scan on him or anything.

There's no alignment-indicative motivation to hold onto a anti-town role and counterclaim way later as long as that's done before the effect happens.

[Yggdra Union]

If not some weird shade of town

[Yggdra Union]

I call this masterpiece "some of my reads".

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I have quite a lot of hydras, yes.
But I only have one alt and that has been public for a while.

[Yggdra Union]

Hell, I have too many hydra I started to share the existing hydra account to hydra with someone else

[Yggdra Union]

Spoiler: Shameless list of GIF hydrae

Sound of Silence (GIF + fery)
Amathyst Snowflake (GIF + Mara)
GuyInHell (GIF + kuribo)
AngelInFreezer (GIF + ArcAngel9}
Yggdra Union (GIF + TNE[and/or pieguy])
MVP (GIF + notsci + ???)
Icebox (GIF + Remembrance)
Team 9 (GIF + pieguy [+ Nati] [+Hanasawa])
Remilia Scarlet (GIF + bork)
Psychlone (GIF + nacho)
Emerald Kitty (GIF + Mala)
KoreanBBQ (GIF + Nero Cain)
Bacon and Egg (GIF + Wisdom)
Doomed Hyrule (GIF + Mac)
WhyDoWeEvenTry (GIF + bubba)
Minami no Hana (GIF + Sakura Hana)

I don't think I missed any.

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Also why does it matter that he claimed miller way late?
It's not like he held up and claimed miller after a cop scan on him or anything.

There's no alignment-indicative motivation to hold onto a anti-town role and counterclaim way later as long as that's done before the effect happens.

[Yggdra Union]

I mean, it doesn't take a lot of thinking to see that there's no scum motivation in what CF has done.
Maybe he could backtrack and claim that he was pulling a gamb- wait a minute. I'm pretty sure he went "THIS IS NOT A GAMBIT"

[Yggdra Union]

Why does that need a trajectory?

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I mean, what's the point of holding on his claim if it was gonna be transparent with proper trajectory?

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oh hi there mastin I bet there are two scum in the Abysm, wanna guess who?

Cabd and Syryana, obviously

[Yggdra Union]

Our perception doesn't bend
As poetry whose words within survive
A vision carried on

It's quite late at night
And I am really tired.
No more haikus please.

[Yggdra Union]

(Well now that I read it again, it wasn't a haiku.
My point still stands.)

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oh hi there mastin I bet there are two scum in the Abysm, wanna guess who?

Carbon and Yygra? (The question mark is because I don't remember your DesBro read.)

Why does that need a trajectory?

Because it doesn't make sense as town for him to have acted the way he did if his claim is truthful. Thus, the (quite reasonable!) doubt about the counterclaim from Rancid.

Actually speaking of trajectory it makes a hell lot of sense if you're gonna talk about trajectory

He was pushing RBD, wasn't quite getting what he wants, so he adds a counterclaim to further boost the push.

[Yggdra Union]

Wait the neighbor is not permanent?
I actually like my neighborhood :<
(except for the HOLY HELL GREEN)

[Yggdra Union]

Pretty sure CF meant "scum" there

[Yggdra Union]

Pretty sure CF meant "scum" there

Gif, I get nacho misreading me--he has a horrid history at times, but, you, well, put pieguy on the line then. We're gonna chat, bro.

you rang?

-Yggdra

[Yggdra Union]

because reasons

-Yggdra

[Yggdra Union]

mafblack sucks with colors.

All the complaints go in this thread thank you

-L

[Yggdra Union]

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo

4 orcinus_theoriginal

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)

7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

11 Lord Business

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

14 Cupcake Panda

15 PeregrineV

16 Clyton

17 Mac

I don't get the color code.

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No, only I get to use that excuse. Is it the miller thing, because that really shouldn't hold any sway here.

it's bc your reaction to CF's miller claim was fucking terrible. after they CC'ed you immediately went into straight up discredit and I don't think you actually believed anything you were saying about CF. it felt like you were reaching for reasons to discredit them and it felt really awkward you weren't questioning them at all until they CC'ed miller, when a lot of the stuff you were questioning them on was before said miller claim (cofrrect me if I'm wrong plz, I wasn't reading in full detail). if you really believed it you would have questioned it immediately

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

I GOTTA BELIEVE!
(I still can't beat that level dammit)

[Yggdra Union]

Just because of that instance I

1. Went through the mod to make sure he's ok with this.
2. Never told him the alignment before he agrees to joining in.

[Yggdra Union]

Bitch that's muffin and muffin has the 'murdercocks' for f-16.

so what? if he really believed half the shit he was saying there he would have questioned F-16 about it when it came up. but all of a sudden F-16 CC's miller and he goes 100% full discredit mode and comes up with all these points out of nowhere? it's kind of positional bc I had a really really strong townread on F-16 then (which I still have), but I refuse to believe he ALL OF A SUDDEN thought there was nothing that mdade sense about F-16's play RIGHT WHEN F-16 CC'ED MILLER. it's complete fucking BS and there's no way in hell it's town motivated thought

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

Yay for you.

I still don't think it was right. I don't see scum!gif asking that particular person to hydra with him, so it confirms the slot.

We can talk about this post-game but as a backup mod in that game where everything happened and where I saw everything happened it would be foolish of me to repeat the same mistake and eat stones for it.
Also why pie as a hydra partner? Look through the hydra list I posted. Cross out the people in the game. Cross out the people who ceased to exist.
It's just a coincidence that pie happened to be the choice because few others weren't able to join in.

I may not look like it, but I actually have a really really high moral standard to even consider any kind of "unfair advantages" when playing this game.

[Yggdra Union]

Yay for you.

I still don't think it was right. I don't see scum!gif asking that particular person to hydra with him, so it confirms the slot.

We can talk about this post-game but as a backup mod in that game where everything happened and where I saw everything happened it would be foolish of me to repeat the same mistake and eat stones for it.
Also why pie as a hydra partner? Look through the hydra list I posted. Cross out the people in the game. Cross out the people who ceased to exist.
It's just a coincidence that pie happened to be the choice because few others weren't able to join in.

I may not look like it, but I actually have a really really high moral standard to even consider any kind of "unfair advantages" when playing this game.

Short version: you are imagining things.

[Yggdra Union]

So RBD what's your actual claim?

-L

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To be blunt, I was actually pretty town here for the people who knows how to read me: I was actually efforting D1 in a game filled with walls.

[Yggdra Union]

(Sadly, I have no one who can read me correctly every time :< )

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To be blunt, I was actually pretty town here for the people who knows how to read me: I was actually efforting D1 in a game filled with walls.

For the semantic nazis: attempting to effort*

[Yggdra Union]

JSU

[Yggdra Union]

to make it clear, it's not the you-read I'm wondering about. That one I'm p sure he's wrong on.

But, I have no fucking idea what you guys thought you were doing with that apparent fake claim and it bothers me that you let it go so far. And it super bothers me that muffin went on the attack when counterclaimed.

If this is some sort of smoke and mirrors thing plz clear it up now.

THIS. zmuffin's reaction when F-16 CC'ed is exactly the reaction I'd expect from scum fakeclaiming miller. go straight to discredit mode, start attacking etc. and now this backoff feels fake as fuck and it feels like they're scrambling for another lynch

meanwhile, if they were town, I'd expect them to at least stop to consider the possibility of 2 millers. bc I could totally see 2 millers in a cabd game and given the read he had on F-16 at that time I don't see how the fuck he'd immediately assume F-16 = scum

his reaction is scum who isn't sure what to do and can't decide if F-16 should be scum or horribly misguided townie. so he flip flops back and forth to see what ppl will buy

@Nati:

if you don't wanna argue with my reasoning what the hell were you expecting to do asking me that question?

-Y

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I am not arrogantly arguing that my reads are better.

Coulda fooled me.

Because your read on me hasn't changed the whole game, and has been on shaky-at-best reasoning. (You scumread me for scumreading you...when you later admitted to ffery that your entrance was not a good one into the game. Why is me scumreading you for it initially different than ffery not townreading you for what you yourself said was not a good entrance?)

all I got from this is that F-16 is town and you're manipulating him instead of trying to work with him on his read on you

this is exactly the same shit you pulled on Tammy in AOT where you kept asking her "lolol who's scum when I flip town" in order to make her waver on her read on you

...You've maintained that confidence throughout the entirety of the game, on that shaky reasoning, that somehow, all these players who know me well have somehow been masterfully fooled by me all of a sudden yet mystically caught by you. So, F-16. You say you're not arrogantly arguing your reads are better. But with you being town? That's

exactly

what you're actually doing.

And I'm appealing to real life, but i don't think mastin would be able to be this enthusiastic about the game given the mental health issues if everyone was right.

(I, uh. Have actually devoted an unhealthily large chunk of time to this game.)

this is also bullshit btw. are you srsly arguing that, bc a few other ppl are townreading you, that means F-16 should be too? that is literally the worst argument I've ever seen in my whole entire life

also for anyone keeping score at home, remember when mastin was pushing a CF lynch? was anything off about it to you? bc it's the exact same shit he pulled last time he was scum in AOT on obvtown Kagami in order to try and strongarm a mislynch - he was making a bunch of manipulative statements in order to downplay how town F-16 was, which is literally the exact same thing he did there. I can pull up quotes from that game that just about say the exact same thing as shit he's said in here (and if anyone isn't convinced I will when I'm not lazy). there was plenty of shit early game to get the F-16 read right and his 180 seems like it came in response to finding out his F-16 lynch wasn't gonna work

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

and yes the mastin read is a large part of why I think RBD is scum. I legit think they both rolled scum and are hard defending each other. and him bringing up zmuffin's read on him fits nicely into that narrative he's spinning

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

(((nati)))

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

all I got from this is that F-16 is town and you're manipulating him instead of trying to work with him on his read on you

Oh, I've given up on trying to make him work with me. That implies he's actually reasoning, willing to cast a benefit of the doubt. He's not. There's a reason my read there has been wavering, but I've been growing increasingly aware that Hanlon's Razor is sadly true. That, yes. It's not scum. It's just really, really crappy play.

says the person who generally treats objectively bad play from an objectively good player as a decent scumtell?

nice dodge btw. you didn't actually answer my point. if you're not trying to manipulate him, what are you trying to do here?

The thing about it is, a scum me is competent. A scum me has been able to consistently manipulate the strings...

successfully

. Most recently, in Paranoia Mafia, a mini theme, where I not only fooled the town, but also fooled my own scumbuddy GreyICE and eluded AP. A scum me is not easily defined by some shitty tell you have in your book. You never see the actual scum me coming, unless you're a player who intimately knows me (in which case, you struggle to define why I'm scum in tangible terms because objectively I look town in spite of you knowing otherwise). Because the actual scum me knows what she's doing. And does it well. She plans. She manipulates. And she makes sure that even if you somehow have her nailed, there's a path to victory for her scumbuddies.

I might believe this if I wasn't 100% on reading you. then again, I probably wouldn't

it's not about some "shitty tell". from your in-thread actions, one can figure out what your motivations are, and by doing so figure out your alignment. my point is that

in both of these scenarios, everything you're doing is coming from an angle of trying to manipulate other ppl and their reads on you, and smokescreen town into lynching someone else instead of you

. the actions I'm point out out are just EXAMPLES of this.

you know me and have described me as "seeing through players to the core". so you should really know this is what I'm getting at with my read on you. but instead, you twist it around to suit some overgeneralized "tell". what exactly is the point of this?

Yes, it is. It was a good question to ask, then. It's a good question now.

you do know you were scum in that game right

what exactly is the point of your questioning then? I don't see where you're going with any of your questions to F-16

Sort-of, yes. I'm pointing out that if his words of working with others actually carried any weight he would. I'm saying that if he actually believed himself not to be arrogant, he'd be listening to what they're saying. I don't expect him to townread me for it. But if he was town-that's-not-arrogant, I'd expect him to be at least hesitant to scumread me.

what the actual fuck is this?

everything in here is complete BS. first off, you just said you're townreading CF. so what exactly is the point of this? this literally serves no purpose other than to discredit F-16

Fuck it, I don't need to wait for a response to this post. If you seriously think a scum-me is worried about a mislynch not working,

you know absolutely

nothing

about how a scum me thinks

. Because I don't give a damn about the lynchability of a player. I lynch who I damn-well please.

there is literally no way in hell F-16 is ever going to be lynched this game. there is literally no scum motivation whatsoever for F-16 to act the way he did re: miller claim and the rest of his posting is very transparent which is smth scum F-16 can't fake. you KNOW this after playing scum with him. so yeah I would expect you to be worried about a possible mislynch on F-16 not working

tl;dr: this entire post is big and useless. I don't see any direction in any of it and it feels like you're just trying to ask a bunch of smokescreening questions and cause enough confusion to derail the lynch off yourself. all I get from all of your posts is that you're trying to manipulate ppl's points and views against you with irrelevant shit. srsly, where the fuck are you actually going with any of these angles? until you can come up with some actual legitimate points, I won't bother responding to any of your posts, as there's no need to. get rekt ~

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

Ohshit.

You might as well be a true scum even if you flipped town by acting this way. My apologies to how you wanted to be ended.

Vote: Rancid Broderick Drake

DesBRO is probably town.

Clyton's scum.

Votecount 1-28

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK, Mac
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (6): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound, Clyton, Rancid Broderick Drake,

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Btw, want to crossreference the names on this Rancid wagon with the equally-large wagon on me, and see what overlap there is.

Votecount 1-18

PeregrineV (1): Kagura
MastinSSK (6): CupcakePanda, Carbon Fiber, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo, Just Sheep Us, AngryPidgeon
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (3): Lord Business, Clyton, mastinSSK
The Fox and the Hound (1): Rancid Broderick Drake

Not Voting (4): Mac , PeregrineV, Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Votecount 1-28

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK, Mac
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (6): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound, Clyton, Rancid Broderick Drake,
Not Voting (2): Titan, Breakfast with Stalin
With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Carbon, Fox/Hound, and DesBro, yep. Though it should be noted that the VCs don't tell the whole story; Yygra has us both as scum yet hasn't moved from me, and PV had me as scum but never voted me. (As just two; there's probably more important people I'm forgetting.)

Soyeah, Fox/Hound does mildly look worse from this, especially if working on DesBRO being town, but it's not by much. (Especially if Clyton's scum.)

look at dis mastin grasping for every single possible counterwagon to RBD

mastin and RBD are still both scum

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

vote: RBD

I'll also vote mastin if need be

[Yggdra Union]

ITT mastin argues semantics that have nothing to do with my actual point. again

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

hey pieguy, do you remember your mastin read on day 1 of xenosaga?

I was just overall off that game. the evidence I have in here is way more concrete than anything I had in that game. this mastin has the exact same mindset as the scum mastin I remember from AOT and there's several examples of this. when pressured she just asks a bunch of pointless questions that don't lead anywhere in order to create a bunch of confusion to derail the lynch off herself. look at her responses to me. all of them are big and useless. nothing in there is in any way, shape or form hard to fake or comes across like she's actually trying to make a real argument. the same mindset also pops up every time she brings up other ppl's reads on her. she plays up ppl who are reading herright and she's tyring to spin a narrative that, since a certain set of ppl are reading her as town, there's no way she can be scum here and everyone else is bad for thinking about the possibility. she's getting into pointless debates that don't have anything to do with anything to distract ppl from their reads on her. I'm not gonna even bother pointing out specific things bc that'll give mastin more shit to BS about, but it should speak for itself

the way she's strongarming lynches is the exact same as in AOT too. look at her posts about CF - she's just blatantly ignoring all the town things CF did all game, despite the fact that SHE KNOWS F-16 CAN'T FAKE THIS LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AS SCUM AFTER PLAYING SCUM WITH HER. and she only gave it up when she started getting backlash for it. I caught her in AOT bc he was pushing Kagami and doing THE EXACT SAME THING (for context, she almost outright broke the game and even if it didn't affect anything in the end it was the most blindingly bright town thing I've seen ever) and I finally had enough and called bullshit on it and I WAS RIGHT

GIF had more but he didn't give me specifics. the summary is mastin gave a half assed answer to one of his questions, then ignored fox's reach out and there was one mastin post GIF quoted he really hated

in xenosaga I was just off overall and I never really got into the game. most of my reads sucked ass until I took a step back and thought about things some more and even I was still out of it

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

Since when do scum lynches go with 2 buddies howling about how obv town their buddy is ever? Ever? Can you name 2 games of the top of your head? like you are in your own world and that is because you are scum.

NY167

yes, I went there

[Yggdra Union]

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

Though this of course raises the slight concern that the DesBRO wagon goes through, is town, and F-16 uses it to launch a crusade against Rancid/myself.

what the actual fuck is this? THIS LITERALLY SERVES NO PURPOSE OTHER THAN TO DISCREDIT F-16

WHY THE FUCK IS NO ONE SEEING THE SHIT MASTIN IS PULLING IN THIS GAME

JUST FUCKING LOOK AT IT. IT'S COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT

mastin is now going to quote this post and respond with some bullshit excuse that is nothing more than a blank check for scum to hide behind and or call attention to F-16's so-called "arrogance" or otherwise downplay his read on her. [/BRO]

I still wanna lynch RBD, but if not, anyone up for a mastin lynch?

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

That is not discrediting.

yes it is

he is referring to F-16 as some sort of negative utility for town by spinning what F-16 would do next as a negative action that needs to be avoided

by doing so he is devaluing F-16's opinions since ppl will be less inclined to pay attention to them. hence, discrediting

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

(((BRO)))

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

this is fucking tiring and it's taking everything I got to not start adhom'ing the fuck out of mastin. bc everything BRO said is true. and now mastin is just fucking ignoring it bc he knowsx he's caught and has literally no defense for it

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

everyone fucking read 3045

MASTIN IGNORING THAT WALL IS NOT A FUCKING TOWN RESPONSE

HE'S SCUM WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO REACT. SO HE JUST FUCKING IGNORES IT

town actually cares about other townies. he doesn't

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

VOTE: MASTINSSK

this has fucking become personal. you're gonna fucking die

[Yggdra Union]

MASTIN IGNORING THAT WALL IS NOT A FUCKING TOWN RESPONSE

I take my time to respond, than you.

yet you still ignored the entire fucking wall

beautifully demonstrating my point

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

I'm fine wtith any lynch in {mastin, AP, RBD}

I won't tolerate any other lynch

ijou desu

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

vote: AP

-Y

[Yggdra Union]

TOWN
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

15 PeregrineV
17 Mac <- on the assumption of RBD scum

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
14 Cupcake Panda

4 orcinus_theoriginal
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
11 Lord Business
16 Clyton

do you all see why I'm pushing mastin x RBD? I have a POE pool eliminating all my towanreads and then I scumhunt within the remaining players. given those 6 players, the interactions between mastin adn RBD are by far the most interesting and scum indicative things going on so far for me. and then we have ppl like AP who swoop in to discredit CF every time he pushes that angle and how mastin and AP keep reaching for any possible counterwagon to RBD. since I have faith in my townreads, from my POV each individual person in the bottom tier has a 4/9 chance of being scum, which is already a good starting point - the scum actions and behaviors from certain slots in there REINFORCE this. it's how I scumhunt. my error recovery method involves going back through my townreads when my remaining scumpile feels too easy or seems all town, but I'm not feeling that here. I'm observing scum behavior from my POE reads, which makes the complete picture of the gamestate come together

mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

you can all listen to me and lynch obvscum today, or you can just watch it all fly by. your call

[Yggdra Union]

-Y

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mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

you can all listen to me and lynch obvscum today, or you can just watch it all fly by. your call

I'll just keep repeating this till you all listen to me kthx

-Y

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mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

you can all listen to me and lynch obvscum today, or you can just watch it all fly by. your call

I'll just keep repeating this till you all listen to me kthx

-Y

If you vote orcinus today, I will listen to you tomorrow.

ok fine

I'm holding you to this though. don't you back out on me

vote: orci

>>>L-1<<<

-Y

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(((bork)))

this game is taxing

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I still wanna lynch mastin. can we make that happen

-Y

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he brought up targeting ffery and a lurker right?

the only lurker I wanna lynch atm is LB. besides LB I highly doubt there's any scum in the lurkers at all thi sgame. this is kind of positional but if we lynch some random person and they flip town then we're stuck in the ass on D2 with absolutely no useful information gained from the lynch. normally I wouldn't care about this but in this specific gamestate I think that has a really really high chance of happening although this is based entirely on my reads

lynching PV is a terrible fucking idea. mostly bc of F-16's towncase and bc iirc every single fucking person I think is scum is pushing a PV lynch. it's a scum designated mislynch and there's no way in hell I'm letting it happen

-Y

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I don't think AP ever called me scum.
Just wanting death.

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vote: mastin

here's how this is going to go. if you are not voting mastin, your next post must contain a vote for mastin, or else a counter to this:

mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

for anyone who has any doubts, note how mastin literally has no defense for it. so he tries to write it off my misrepping the situation:

Oh, you meant BRO's wall.

Bluntly, I didn't read it all. I skimmed.

I saw him having a meltdown for having been suddenly scumread.

That's the part of the meltdown that would remain even if he changed his mindset, though he's not getting lynched anymore meaning even then he's going to be less stressed.
I also saw the remaining being ranting about how Rancid and I are obvscum and manipulating everyone and that he's right and getting lynched again in spite of that, again.

If I missed something that doesn't fit into one of those two categories, let me know. Because the first is no longer relevant, and the second I addressed by simply pointing out him changing his erroneous read would fix. 'Cause he's wrong. I know that sounds bad to say to someone having an emotional breakdown, that bluntly, they're wrong. But he is, soyeah. It needed to be said.

the bolded is a

literal and direct misrep of what happened

. in no way was BRO's meltdown in response to being "suddenly scumread" - that was just one factor among many.

"fixing an erroneous read" doesn't change the fact that mastin and zmuffin have pulled every fucking emotionally manipulative trick in the book and flooded the thread with their bullshit mist

the italicized directly proves my point - he literally does not give a flying fuck about how much he's pissed off another player. QED.


also, mastin, if you respond to this post I'll take it as a scum claim. if you're town you will gain literally nothing from responding to this, and if you're scum I don't wanna give you easy material to keep BS'ing about (bc it's obviously what your strategy has been so far). your responses to me have all been deflective, manipulative, or otherwise not remotely town and I've had enough of your shit. plz and thx

-Y

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and if you're scum I don't wanna give you easy material to keep BS'ing about (bc it's obviously what your strategy has been so far)

...

-Y

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yes I am ignoring your reachout. I have literally no interest in interacting with you any longer and giving you more shit to spew BS about. seriously, you managed to make 4 posts and not actually counter my real point.

this is an ultimatum. there is literally no town motivation in arguing with me any longer bc all it does is create even more noise. quit responding to my posts, or I am forced to assume you are scum who's just trying to spew as much BS as they possibly can.

BTW

So if you have so much as an iota of respect for my talent as town. Then now's the time to show it.

sorry but I have literally no respect for someone who pisses off other ppl and is arrogant enough to not even give two fucking shits about it, while at the same time being hypocritical enough to call other ppl arrogant and emotionally manipulate others. btw, if I really am your "student" as you so claim, the one thing I'd have "learned" from you is how important it is to interact and work together with town. which is the exact opposite of what you did re: BRO by handwaving his entire meltdown.
#rekt

-Y

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ITT mastin tries to look oh so town by acting like he doesn't care that I'm taking it as a scumclaim if he responds to my posts

Because you specifically asked me not to, and I honored that request. (If you want me to, I can, even though the answer's right there in my own iso, but you specifically asked me not to.)

this is mastin being obtuse on purpose. it's p fucking obvious I don't want him to respond to any of my posts AT ALL and he does anyway while claiming he's "honoring my request". fail

can we just lynch this already? he fking claimed scum

-Y

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about the NKs: there is literally no reason for scum to kill RBD. all the noise RBD was generating was nothing but beneficial to scum. Mac was townread by almost everyone and on top of that he might have died trying to protect someone. meanwhile RBD outright said they didn't wanna play anymore which makes them a v solid vig candidate

2 obvious possibilities are a janitor vig or RBD had a scum role that self janitors its flip, but I'm not going to speculate on the janitor'd flip bc this is a cabd game and there's all sorts of weird fuckery that might have happened

-Y

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@Stalin
So you would townread me on one synchronized readlist?

-L

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I just reorganized the readlist today based on how town I read them and it looks interesting.

---------Town-------------------------------------
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) - Pie was so happy that we didn't die n1 because we were gonna be angry if that happened.
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) - Tammytown with a spice of MOE.
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) - I'm just gonna call this slot town. I can do that. Right? I mean, I didn't read majority of their posts, but I'm still allowed to do that, right?
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) -

Miller is automatically town

The way he claimed miller, his transparency in neighbor QT, etc.
11 Lord Business - Confirmed town
17 Mac - Confirmed town
------Leaning Town--------------------------------
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) - Just gonna call them town and not gonna worry about them til like D4.
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) -

because my neighbor said so

I think his reachout post were pretty town
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) - BRO is town.
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) - Not an obvtown. But still town.
4 orcinus_theoriginal - I didn't really read his post. I've been planning to do some stuff on him but I got lazy. For now, he can stay here for the role.
------More like nulls-----------------------------
14 Cupcake Panda - ppl says he's town for lurking. But I'm just gonna put him here
15 PeregrineV - More like "I didn't sort him yet".
------Leftovers I guess---------------------------
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha) - Dead. Def not killed by scum. He's here for being an leftover.
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK) -
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) - This slot is probably gonna move up if someone not in this group flips scum.
16 Clyton - Leftover

-Luciana

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3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) - Pie was so happy that we didn't die n1 because we were gonna be angry if that happened.

Assume Rancid and myself town. Why would you die?

I'm just gonna call this slot town. I can do that. Right? I mean, I didn't read majority of their posts, but I'm still allowed to do that, right?

Well,

yeah

, you can, but it's a bad idea when their alignment is a subject of intense debate.

------Leaning Town--------------------------------
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) -

because my neighbor said so

I think his reachout post were pretty town
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) - BRO is town.

For Fox/Hound, which ones?
For DesBRO--why only leaning town, then, and not in your town pile?

4 orcinus_theoriginal - I didn't really read his post. I've been planning to do some stuff on him but I got lazy. For now, he can stay here for the role.

If you want to townread orc, have it be on how he USED the role and his posting and interactions, but never for the role itself. (Orc's null to me right now. Still sorting him.)

1. Why not?
2. Um both?
Also, the town pile are for nigh-confirmed/confirmed town list. Fery gets to stay there as an honorary spot.
3.

It makes my readlist look pretty

k fine. He used his role in a town way.

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Probably still a fairly easy mislynch

And yet I've been mislynched only 3 times throughout my mafiascuk career

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Why can't mastin post like me

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Like, in 3930, all he had to say was "you don't think like me. Try to think like me." and it probably would've said the same thing.

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Orc's role is more of a governor than a gladiator and governor is like town.

-Luciana

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And governor is a town role.

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there's gotta be a vig button somewhere

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Scum gov sounds like kinda OP.

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VOTE: kagura

For now. Mastin still looks toen if I ignore my crippling paranoia. Orcinus argument with mastin looks upset in a town way. Like I'm following his train of thought and emotionally it resonates.

Yggdra is null leaning towards "uh how the he'll are ppl townreading them?". I disliked the writing orci off as town for a claim when people jg Ave been talking all game about how roles do not mean anything in this game

Dunno. First you just put me in pile for "doing nothing" during my V/LA period and then you go "how are ppl townreading them" for doing my own thing.
Maybe you should try reading our longer posts.

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Is going on a V/LA a thing now?

Luciana slot on V/LA from May 2nd to August 1.

^
Serious btw

-L

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I can be on time to time until May 10th but after then I will have no internet access until August 1.
(Unless I go to cybercafe in Korea time to time but paying for internet just for mafia just doesn't worth it.)

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pdodge. I've only been like half following the past few pages. more later

-Y

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ok so there's a few things I got from the past few pages

-Nacho is town and I'll never support anything resembling a lynch on him
-I don't like anything AP did recently. his entire push on CF sucks ass
-mastin has spent this entire game day calling AP scum but he keeps looking for excuses to get off the wagon or vote someone else. personally I think this points towards mastin x AP team, but it could also make sense as mastin scum not wanting to antagonize AP town
-mastin has literally ACKNLOWLEDGED she's been flooding the thread with bullshit and her response to that is? continue flooding the thread with bullshit. sounds legit
-THIS GAME HAS TOO MUCH DAMN NOISE AND AD HOMINEM AND YOU ALL NEED TO CUT IT THE FUCK OUT. I'd pay cash money for a vig shot on mastin right now just to stop all the fucking posts

I really just wanna lynch mastin already and be done with it. plz and thx

-Y

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vote: mastin

here's how this is going to go. if you are not voting mastin, your next post must contain a vote for mastin, or else a counter to this:

mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

for anyone who has any doubts, note how mastin literally has no defense for it. so he tries to write it off my misrepping the situation:

Oh, you meant BRO's wall.

Bluntly, I didn't read it all. I skimmed.

I saw him having a meltdown for having been suddenly scumread.

That's the part of the meltdown that would remain even if he changed his mindset, though he's not getting lynched anymore meaning even then he's going to be less stressed.
I also saw the remaining being ranting about how Rancid and I are obvscum and manipulating everyone and that he's right and getting lynched again in spite of that, again.

If I missed something that doesn't fit into one of those two categories, let me know. Because the first is no longer relevant, and the second I addressed by simply pointing out him changing his erroneous read would fix. 'Cause he's wrong. I know that sounds bad to say to someone having an emotional breakdown, that bluntly, they're wrong. But he is, soyeah. It needed to be said.

the bolded is a

literal and direct misrep of what happened

. in no way was BRO's meltdown in response to being "suddenly scumread" - that was just one factor among many.

"fixing an erroneous read" doesn't change the fact that mastin and zmuffin have pulled every fucking emotionally manipulative trick in the book and flooded the thread with their bullshit mist

the italicized directly proves my point - he literally does not give a flying fuck about how much he's pissed off another player. QED.


also, mastin, if you respond to this post I'll take it as a scum claim. if you're town you will gain literally nothing from responding to this, and if you're scum I don't wanna give you easy material to keep BS'ing about (bc it's obviously what your strategy has been so far). your responses to me have all been deflective, manipulative, or otherwise not remotely town and I've had enough of your shit. plz and thx

-Y

^ I still want responses to this

the fact that no one has been able to counter this should demonstrate to you all how obvscum mastin is at thisp oint. but let me take it a step further:

put yourself in BRO's shoes and try to imagine what you'd feel in his position. now imagine someone COMPLETELY NOT GIVING A SHIT ABOUT YOU WHATSOEVER. don't you imagine that'd have a really adverse effect on your feelings towards the game? mb I'm biased bc I've had similar problems before, but just fucking try it

this holds true for any townie, but with mastin especially.

he literally does not give a shit about working with town and the health of town as a collective. this is not a town mastin.

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I found two

-mastin has spent this entire game day calling AP scum but he keeps looking for excuses to get off the wagon or vote someone else. personally I think this points towards mastin x AP team, but it could also make sense as mastin scum not wanting to antagonize AP town
-mastin has literally ACKNLOWLEDGED she's been flooding the thread with bullshit and her response to that is? continue flooding the thread with bullshit. sounds legit

-Y

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speaking of spinning narratives, what would be the first thing scum mastin who has a townread from RBD does?

if you guessed "spin narratives about 'omg RBD is townreading me, they never misread me, etc. etc.' and keep bringing it up every time someone scumreads me", congrats. now look at what he's dong here. QED

this angle is complete bullshit coming from mastin anyway. it's just bad play to completely trust RBD's read - even if RBD is town, there's still a good chance mastin was able to fool him. it also directly contradicts his stance he's been pushing all game about being successfully able to manipulate people as scum.

-Y

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TAMMY

COME BAAAAAACK

I MISS YOU ALREADY </333

[Yggdra Union]

<3

this game is full of feels. (((tammy)))

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lmao I'm losing it over here

should I get drunk too

i'm not even 21 ~

-Y

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lmao I'm losing it over here

should I get drunk too

i'm not even 21 ~

-Y

Yes.

<3

b-b-but I live with my parents and if I drink anything they'll figure it out. what do

-Y

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So I've read the Titan ISO and if Tammy's scum playing me I give up on this game. In reading her ISO I've gotten bits of the game when clicking out for context. Which, between that context and Tammy's frustration with mastin and reading the last few pages as I replaced in, made mastin my next priority.

I'm on my tablet right now and won't have good access for case-making for several hours, but this is scum-mastin. I thought when I first started in on her ISO that she might be harangued town, but that fell apart pretty quickly. The sense of trying to boss town around, be believed without relevant support. There's a lot of words, but it goes off on tangents to disguise the lack of immediate relevance. Big speeches about sincerity and conviction, nothing that leads anywhere.

VOTE: mastinSSK

I'm pretty sure I'm going to get an earful about how I can't read mastin, how recognizing her as scum in Resistance and 172 was just happenstance and that I should sit down, shut up, and swallow whatever corrected version of her scum meta mastin wants me to believe.

Not fucking well buying it. I almost got lynched in 172 because I wouldn't step up and take a stand. Heck, I think Nero would still happily lead a post-game wagon on me over there given half a chance, and if scum hadn't killed him/AP hadn't been gunsmithed I'd have eaten a mislynch there. Third time's the charm, this is scum-mastin, and so help me if y'all generate another ten pages of content before lynching obv-scum I...will complain bitterly to Tammy all night.

F-16, as far as your reads wall, I need to get a better sense of some of the players myself before I judge your motives completely, but I get the feeling this might be town-you just because in contrast with Wicked you're pulling your observations into current game events more than drowning people in things they wouldn't follow. In my navel-gazing I'm thinking that I got seduced by your focus on analyzing me and Cabd and lost the outside perspective that it was pretty damn targeted. This feels more accessible and so more like you're trying to be pro-town.

One thing that caught my eye in your wall was PV. I personally have a lot of trouble sorting him until endgame, and sometimes even then. Again, pulling out 172, ffery came in and was a significant part of derailing the wagon on town-him, and if it hasn't come up I'd like to hear her take on him.

I'll compile a more cohesive explanation for why this is scum-mastin when I'm home with proper access to cut and paste functions again and not trying to be coherent in between hands. I'll also prioritize getting that read on BRO Tammy wants, but I also want to look into AP. I don't think I've been good at reading AP before *cough165cough* but coming off 172 if he's scum with mastin I'd like to think I won't be totally oblivious.

YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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HEY MASTIN

IT'S REAL CUTE HOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS BY CALLING NACHO SCUM, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK

-Y

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You mean the bit where I'm scumreading him and he's townreading me?

Hint: we're both telling the truth.

I'd like to note Brian Skies scumreading AP but not voting there, too. In fact, there's a lot of strange interactions between the three (four if you add in orc), and it's really looking like a scumteam.

this is fucking hilarious given you were calling AP scum this entire game day but you kept not voting him and or looking for excuses to jump off his wagon when you got on it
#rekt

-Y

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someone asked me for my read on Nacho right

I kind of don't wanna explain this bc I'm scared if I do I won't be able to read Nacho again, but look at his posts where he challenges mastin and tell me you can't feel the ~passion~. he can fake it to some extent but it's showed up enough in this game that it points to town Nacho. his recent posting has been even better in that regard. if he can play like this as scum, I'm outright terrified.

-Y

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post 4800, magenta_thegreat"]nacho/Mastinssk/Pigey/Carbonfiber

scumteam 2014[/quote] Holy fucking shit, I can't be the only one who sees this.

All of them.
Distancing.
But pulling shit like this to avoid focusing on one another.
(Pidgey = AP.)[/quote]
that wasn't even a serious post

you really are just throwing shit at the wall

-Y

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LIKE. FUCKING. HELL.
I would.

As scum, know what I'd do?

Back the fuck down. Because winning by causing a player to break down when right?
Is no fucking way to win a game. It goes against the fucking game part, the part I emphasize, in favor of the win.

But I literally cannot be assed to care about him breaking down...about a read he is fucking wrong about.

And you KNOW this about me.

so you'd back the fuck down as scum. what did you do here? back the fuck down and never poke at him again. makes sense

also did you really just make like 10 posts to respond to Nacho's one post? what the actual fuck is the point of that?

this basically proves you're just trying to make a shitton of posts and drown town out in noise.

and no I don't buy your "noise is detrimental to scum" bullshit and it makes sense you'd say that in order to detract attention from what you're trying to do

-Y

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I fucking told you all Clyton was town. Also, I'm probably going to stop letting mastin walls block up my reread and just not read them, because feeling like I needed to was what caused me to stop.

just ignore her, that's exactly what she wants to happen

-y

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3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo - town as fuck. Would like to see more commentary about the overall game state and his thoughts about the neighborhood from pie.

I've lot a lot of motivation to do anything at all this game until mastin gets lynched. it's taxing to even think about anything else this game while mastin is sitting over there putting up a shitton of noise. I literally just want to do nothing more than get mastin lynched atm and after that happens I'll work from there.

about the neighborhood, I'm p sure everyone in the neighborhood is town but most of the basis for my reads are from the actual game thread. F-16 has been ridiculously transparent in there (even more so than in the actual thread) which I'm almost positive he wouldn't be able to fake after AOT. BRO was also p transparent in there D1 although his activity has understandably dropped off a lot since then. in general I'm not forming reads exclusively from the neighborhood and I'm mostly using it to strategize and bounce ideas back and forth

-Y

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I'm leaning towards it.

And it's the only likely lynch.

you owe me a sheep. sheep me on mastin plz?

-Y

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^L-1

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ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
/bah