Tales of You (Endgame)

[Kagami]

I hate GFs too, but I actually think they're sort of ok in a "cabd game," since mod meta gives you a pretty strong prior that there's likely to be a godfather in the game. At least there isn't a role here that can cause a player to gain the Los Vegas role.

My general opinion is that best practice in a setup using a godfather to weaken the cop is to straight-up tell the town that there's a godfather (or just tell the cop that, and inform the GF that the cop is aware he exists).

[Kagami]

The problem with godfathers is not that they're incredibly uncommon and unexpected, it's that it's sufficiently unlikely that a player whose been cop inno'd would actually be scum that it's a terrible idea to lynch them.

Nobody is a scumhunting god; being right even 60% of the time would be pretty awesome. Given that you anticipate being wrong 40+% of the time, whereas a cop innocent is wrong, like, 5% of the time, which do you go with?

You can't even say, "O, he's just trolling now, he must be a godfather!" because peoples' playstyle tends to change radically even as town once they've been inno'd. Godfathers are just a stupid role unless you want the town to just disregard cop investigations altogether, in which case it's better to simply not put a cop in the game.

GFs are also terrible because they punish the town viciously for making a good decision (investigating scum).

[Kagami]

Millers are reasonable because they put the power to reveal how cop investigations might be deceived into the hands of the town.

Godfathers don't.

[Kagami]

If investigations aren't intended to be trusted, then the setup needs to be balanced accordingly, which would mean 3 scum tops.