Tales of You (Endgame)

[Red Gyarados]

I don't know why we're starting other wagons when we can find Tammy's alignment by bringing them to L-3 before Page 5.

VOTE: Titan

[Red Gyarados]

Was that mastin or SSK btw

[Red Gyarados]

Yes, it does.

My goal this game is to figure out which of

(nachobork, GIF, Tammydra, 3dicehawk, you two, beliffery, natimuffin) drew town role pms.

So by answering that simple question you could in fact help me solve the game that much earlier.

Or we can pretend I don't know it's mastin because if SSK ever made a post that long I think ms would freeze over, so there's that.

I'm also a bit too chickenshit to vote Nati.

pedit- I want the reference too. I want to sort Tammy as fast as possible.

[Red Gyarados]

What the fuck

Okay mastinssk can be town.

ONE DOWN FIFTEEN TO GO

[Red Gyarados]

Red Gyarados, why did you feel the need to pretend that wasn't an obvious mastin post? I assumed you were joking in the first place.

I actually wasn't sure (yes, I realize the cogdis) seeing as I know there's a Nati/SSK dynamic that always happens. I attributed that type of post to said dynamic, but leaned more to it being mastin for the same reasons you obviously have.

[Red Gyarados]

MASTIN I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOURE TROLLING ME ILL VIG YOU

[Red Gyarados]

Christ I'm stupid

Probably attributed to my all niter to do the English work I procrastinated on all weekend.

[Red Gyarados]

Wait a minute.

Wasn't mastin in that game >.>

[Red Gyarados]

I've also obvtown'd like 5 times before post 30, you're all welcome.

Reach outs may commence at your earliest convenience.

[Red Gyarados]

Can you rephrase the first question?

I thought it looks pretty atypical of you and Nati in games together. I have to go check the way you two interacted early in street racers, but the fact you keyed in on him felt good (yes, I realize scum-you would do the same)

pedit-

PLAY ALONG WITH IT AND IF THEY RECANT THEN WE LYNCH THEM FOR LYING

LAL works in cabd games right

[Red Gyarados]

This is also quite clear elitism.

Hate to break it to you, here's another post.

I tend to key in on people I've really clicked when working with them as town before, and people I'm terrified of misreading again (I should probably add BRO/Desp in for the second category) which is why I keyed in on those.

pedit-

So are you going to be nsposting all game

[Red Gyarados]

hi guys

this post is town.

Really? I coulda sworn that was a universally accepted scum-claim. Someone even wrote a thesis on it.

(nachobork, GIF, Tammydra, 3dicehawk, you two, beliffery, natimuffin)

GiF isn't a hydra though. Why does he get to join the club?

I'm also a bit too chickenshit to vote Nati.

If you ever need to vote somebody, let me know. I'll make the vote for you.

VOTE: Rancid Broderick Drake

Why did we not join this wagon?

No idea what that means. I'm going to assume that means you think they're town. I agree.

Mellifluous: pleasant to hear

pretty sure this is notscience.

You'll know if it's not him. I'm not signing my posts because it

will

be that obvious.

I refuse to believe those are SSK posts.

I refuse to believe those dull and flat posts are Mastin's. If they are, we should have wagoned him by now.

Like, can you really believe those posts are Mastin's? Really? I can't. If they are, then FOR SHAME MASTIN! FOR SHAME!

but the Pokedex!!!!!

You only want us cuz we're shiny!

I should probably add BRO/Desp in for the second category

I actually want them sorted rather soon. Can we bump them up a bit higher?

THIS GAME SEEMS FLAVOR INTENSIVE THOUGH GG NO RE

Really? The flavor I've seen thus far seems rather pointless to me (and almost entirely dependent on specific roles).

Like, I don't see how any of the flavor we've received thus far is going to help me find scum.

VOTE: Clyton

VOTE: Clyton

That's Nati's schtick. We don't need two egotistical self-voters in the same game.

What from post 20 made you think MastinSSK is town?

My other head is a Mastin fanboy. Please ignore.

[Red Gyarados]

This is not entirely true. I have to admit my eyes are often drawn involuntarily to your voluptuous figure. And that tail wiggle.... mmmmm...

Don't forget how attractively we bat our eyelashes.

Also, do you and notscience communicate outside the thread?

Not yet. But we will.

[Red Gyarados]

Dude

I am so hype

Tammy and I both drew town PMs and have obvtown'd hardcore before page 6

ITS SO GREAT

I like ffery so far too.

[Red Gyarados]

Hi Bork

I'm going to

sheep tammy's read on you two

figure out what you two are and if you're town your job is to make sure I don't let any DBKs in okay

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: PeregrineV

I don't really get his entrance about RVS voting when at the time we were out of RVS.

pedit-

Okay so

Tammy clears you and you clear bro

I really hope when GIF's here he obvtowns himself

pedit-

Can we leave him in the "awkward sounding probtown slot?" It's like the kiddie table of the townbloc: You can move up to the big shot table if you're good or if you're bad you can go to bed

[Red Gyarados]

[Red Gyarados]

I feel like this won't be a good discussion without tossing tammy in for good measure

[Red Gyarados]

I feel like this won't be a good discussion without tossing tammy in for good measure

[Red Gyarados]

Hi Tammy!

You seemed to have sneezed or something at the end of giving your read on me- you added something after town.

I don't get where mastin's coming from at all regarding you being scum.

@F-16, While yes the interactions are

technically

fakeable, they felt genuine to me. I just felt like the conversation with me early came from a natural place.

[Red Gyarados]

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)

(nulltown+(Tammy's read)/2)

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)

Feels different than I remember either of them being (I've played with them both as town)

3 Yukari Yakumo

:3

4 orcinus_theoriginal

He's in this game?

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)

Town (but not as town as me)

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)

idk

7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)

Townlean although I don't get the Titan scumread coming from them at all.

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)

Townlean.

9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)

Have they posted yet?

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

Null, wavering more towards green than red though.

11 Lord Business

Kid table

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)

hi

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

about 20% townier than the rest of you

14 Cupcake Panda

Null. I don't see a reason to townread.

15 PeregrineV

I didn't like his entrance but people reassured me he prob won't read. Hm.

16 Clyton

I don't really like his stuff thus far, it doesn't sound genuine.

17 Mac

*insert mimicking of his pr here"

[Red Gyarados]

IM SETTING UP MY TOWNBLOC FIRST

Tammy come join us

We shall lead the game into the promised land

[Red Gyarados]

I'm townreading beliffery because I've liked what they've posted so far even if it's kinda devoid of too much content. Scum-ffery has different undertones that I don't really smell (granted we're on P11 but lol).

Clyton, I have no meterstick to judge with, only my gut. Your selfvote and then your response to Brian sounded artificial in nature. Like you were going through the motions (say, going to an ex's wedding and pretending you're happy for them)

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy talk to me about Clyton and Carbon Fiber.

What are you thinking?

[Red Gyarados]

I'm also a bit too chickenshit to vote Nati.

pls let nati be town

[Red Gyarados]

Hold the phone

you aren't allowed to use my words and then not include me in the townbloc

[Red Gyarados]

Also @wheover asked me about ffery-

It sounds different. Like, the hatred of the role pm seeps into her being.

[Red Gyarados]

It's vague because lolarticulation

I've given out 3 quick townreads actually

Titan Ffery and mastin but it's more based on how SSK sounded. While I see your point about it being scripted, meh. I feel like RBD didn't really engage them all that much though unless I'm remembering wrong which bugs me.

Titan because Tammy's always town (but not as town as me) and when she's scum you know the scum QT is full of 'why aren't they lynching me'

Maybe I'm jumping the gun on a ffery read, but if ffery's scum then she'll bring me to lylo anyways so it's future ns's problem

[Red Gyarados]

Spoiler:

#45 may be the best Brian Skies post I've ever read.

Really now? Is my posting usually

that

bad?

What did you like about it?

Leaning town on the brian/notsci hydra. Mac seems pretty town so far. It will take me a good while to figure out the pirate unless I can sort Nati posts from zmuffin posts, and I think they're being pretty obscure about it right now.

I've liked what I've read out of the pirate's prose. Looks to be coming from a townish mindset.

And self awareness can be a scum tell.

Sometimes. But considering this is Tammy, I'm going to give you an emphatic no.

walking dead vibes, specially with gyarados, rancid, stalin, lord business, and titan. the latter two should nip their shit in the bud sooner rather than later.

Can you elaborate on this or am I going to have to actually read that game so I can understand your references to it?

Hey you should be happy it's only at five pages. Last time we all got together in hydras, there was what? 20 something pages in the first 24 hours.

I believe there were 120 pages in 72 hours in Anything Goes, and we didn't have that many hydras in that game.

Yo.

Mastin, here. I'm here to kill you all.

Lynch yourself.

However, the hyperbolic "emotional blackmail" and "demands" is odd regardless.

Not really. I get the same impression from you in our games. The only difference is that I read it as town (usually because it's accompanied by other townish statements so I just ignore your blatant AtE).

VOTE: PeregrineV

I don't really get his entrance about RVS voting when at the time we were out of RVS.

Don't make me lynch myself.

*Also, read my PM about communication. We need to get that settled.

-----
*Mastin might be town. Need to see more. (And here I was wanting to sacrifice Jesus to the blood gods >.> )

Eh, it looks vaguely townish.

It looks null.

Then he lets us know he did, in fact, get his role pm. I'm not sure why that pinged me, but it did.

I don't know about you, but I didn't get a role PM sent to my main.

He's played in enough games with me, as town and as scum, to not even entertain that.

I agree that this part is concerning.

His reads don't feel real.

That's because half of them are fake (he even tells you so). The ones that actually have some semblance of trajectory actually mirror mine to a degree.

Lulz

I think I may be swayed (146)

I'm fairly happy with Mac-town right now.

What is the game where a hydra with tammy in it was mafia?

Pretty sure she was scum in Anything Goes.

And if the NachoBorkdra ARE scum no one is ever going to lynch them, and in that case lynching us is probably a good idea actually because it's the only way they might be able to be stopped.

Nacho is dead to me right now. I don't know Bork that well.

I would lynch them if it came down to it.

/end 9

*I'll care more when Notty and I get our communication issues settled.

Only slightly irritated right now.

[Red Gyarados]

Well that makes things simple.

All we need to do is get access to the scum QT to see whether Tammy is in there saying, "why aren't they lynching me?"

If she isn't saying that, she's probably town.

I'm amazed it took someone this long to suggest this.



-Nati

It's vague because lolarticulation

I've given out 3 quick townreads actually

Titan Ffery and mastin but it's more based on how SSK sounded. While I see your point about it being scripted, meh. I feel like RBD didn't really engage them all that much though unless I'm remembering wrong which bugs me.

Titan because Tammy's always town (but not as town as me) and when she's scum you know the scum QT is full of 'why aren't they lynching me'

Maybe I'm jumping the gun on a ffery read, but if ffery's scum then she'll bring me to lylo anyways so it's future ns's problem

>.>

go die in a hole

I'm willing to let kagura get a townread for the moment.

I don't see the reasoning behind the mastinssk wagon.

[Red Gyarados]

I remember grilling Tammy
She was in quite the fright
I assume she towned it up
Which was the goal of the night

unvote

Irritated, not in a fright. I was town from the start and I really really wish that people would start learning how to read me without resorting to let's frustrate Tammy! She town tells when she's frustrated and it's funny to boot! Yahoo yippee woohoo! I'm easy to read without that.

lol that's how I used to read Sakura

UNTIL SHE STOPPED FLIPPING OUT ALL THE TIME

[Red Gyarados]

>.>

These pages. Where did they all come from?

On the bright side, I've finally managed to make contact with Notty, so I'll take a good look at this thread the next day or so.

I forgot I was a hydra.

[Red Gyarados]

Hey, Nacho.

Forgetting something?

Maybe a read on a certain crimson creature

Maybe including the word "obvtown" in it

[Red Gyarados]

(Us, Titan, Kagura, MastinSSK)
(Beliffery, CF, RBD)

(Town)
(Not full town yet)

[Red Gyarados]

(Where are the other 10?)

Not invited to the town-adults or the town-kids

squawk

[Red Gyarados]

(Us, Titan, Kagura, MastinSSK)
(Beliffery, CF, RBD)

(Town)
(Not full town yet)

There's your TL;DR

[Red Gyarados]

AP I gave you reads based on what has happened in the thread

:<

tl;dr-

I obvtown'd myself by page 2

Tammy obvtown'd herself by her reaction to scumreads and all that

bork felt town in his entrance and other people are townreading them so I must be right

SSK's entrance felt town

Ffery felt like town-ffery but if she's scum she'll be obvi in lylo

CF felt town, namely FT's side.

There's a reason for whoever the last one was too but I'm tired so ask me tomorrow

[Red Gyarados]

I'm up to page 32 and I'm reaching the point where I just want to say fuck it all and read none of it. I'll try to finish catching up tomorrow because it looks like my obvtowning partner has started to fade off for some reason.

~Brian

[Red Gyarados]

(Us, Titan, Kagura, MastinSSK)
(Beliffery, CF, RBD)

(Town)
(Not full town yet)

I do believe these are mostly Notty's reads.

He's decided to ignore my Mac townread and I like Falcon more than Mastin (because I don't agree with that rage-posting case or whatever that was on page 20 something).

Orci is actually doing stuff. Haven't seen that before. So I guess he can be tentative town.

Also, Clyton, you sound like a robot. Is that fixable?

I also don't know why Kagura is a townread of ours. I should iso that later.

[Red Gyarados]

As much as I want to do that and just claim masons with you, I have this issue where if I don't understand what somebody is referencing I go a little nuts.

[Red Gyarados]

Before I go,

Vote: Fox and the Hound

I don't know why we're not sheeping our townreads over voting the useless bird that isn't getting us anywhere. One of us can always move it later.

[Red Gyarados]

I'll have a lot more time to devote to this during the weekend and I can start finishing my catch-up later today.

Just. so. many. words. to. read. through.

~Brian

[Red Gyarados]

I'll have a lot more time to devote to this during the weekend and I can start finishing my catch-up later today.

Just. so. many. words. to. read. through.

~Brian

This was a lie and I will be shamelessly sheeping until I catch up.

[Red Gyarados]

Vote: Just Sheep Us

[Red Gyarados]

MastinSSK (4): CupcakePanda, Carbon Fiber, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo
AngryPidgeon (3): Lord Business, Clyton, mastinSSK

Somebody want to summarize these two wagons?

[Red Gyarados]

Trusting me blindly when I call someone town is usually not a great idea because

they're manipulating me specifically.

I've done this. As town.

(I've also done it as scum, though. )

RG - What are you're thoughts on mastin and LB?

Don't know if this was ever addressed by my other head, but I don't remember much of what happened the first 30 pages or so. I kinda just glazed over all the meta discussion Falcon was pumping into the thread and stopped caring for a while. My aversion to catching up also seems to be proportional to how much I have to read in order to do it. I had townreads somewhere but I need my Skype to see it. I think the main difference between my reads and Notty's was that I had Mac as town and CF higher than Mastin. My scumreads are just 'bleh.'

I have some concerns about LB as expressed by Nacho on this page. He says he's familiar with most of this playerslist but doesn't seem to understand how they play. I also have no idea who LB is or if I've ever played with him before.

Aside from the raging thing from (SSK?) against Falcon, Mastin is a small townread for me.

Hey, Nacho.

Forgetting something?

Maybe a read on a certain crimson creature

Maybe including the word "obvtown" in it

I don't understand why Notty posted this. Nacho clearly reached out to us first and it wasn't a one way street. I'm wondering if these pages were why Notty was sending me townreads on Nacho over Skype.

This in particular strikes me as town because Mastin doesn't give a fuck about forming processes for why he's going back and forth, makes it feel more natural.

I find Mastin to be a pretty positional player with his reads. Even if he doesn't clearly explain where they come from, I tend to be able to figure out where they're coming from. Usually when they make sense to me, he's town. When they don't, he's scum.

(Us, Titan, Kagura, MastinSSK)
(Beliffery, CF, RBD)

(Town)
(Not full town yet)

This is Notty's reads list. Up to this point I would have Titan, Kagura, CF, Mac as town. RBD/Mastin weaker town. Maybe Wood. I'm leaving ffery to Notty. I also think Orci could be town.

Notty refuses my reads. I don't know why.

ALSO, Bro didn't post the player list when he checked in to say he's reading and that lack of posting the player list is what moved you ahead of Peregrine as a scum read!

What?

Also, I think I remember seeing you reply to me on some page somewhere. Cabd never sent my main account a role PM. I think he just hates my slot.

(Where are the other 10?)

No idea. But I don't know why you're asking this considering you should know how both of us operate by now.

This whole bacon quote strip is bad.

Oh really? Why? Ffery seemed to enjoy it. And hell, they're even overruling you on it.

@Beliffery: Actually, why are you two overruling it?

Like, it means that everyone should be realizing we're town, even if they don't have concrete reasons for it.

Townish. And you'll remain in that pile until I get those weird vibes I always get when you're scum.

Fuckballs

?

And reveal their age at the start of day

Even if your claim is true, how does confirming it make you town? I still think a lot of the flavor is just a distraction.

The majority if this game has declared their town game and scum game to be so obvious the rest should be able to tell instantly.

Some people are more obvious at alignment telling than others. Tammy is one of these people. As for the others, it's just 'meh.' Notty was obvtowning our slot for a while, but I don't know where he went.

We're def 1v1ing someone tomorrow,
Don't care if ye call us trolls,
No fucks will be given,
LolOLOLoLOloLoloL

Can you only 1v1 someone you cop? Or can you target different people?

He actually did not read it, which turned out to be the case.

I'm actually leaning towards this being the likelier possibility. I didn't notice it either and I keep forgetting the size of this playerlist.

But regardless of what you think actually happened, I think 4 scum in a 17 player game is pretty standard. So I don't really find this to be a townslip.

RG, do you have a solitary read that is even slightly controversial?

Not that I know of. And define controversial and why it would tell you our alignment. Why?

/39

[Red Gyarados]

Players in this game who should recognize AP's entrance:

Me
Desp
mastin

Tammy

BS
ns

Cupcake

p5 (I actually crossed this one off, forgot Notty shot him)
Mac

Would scum-mastin be brave enough to make a push that scum-him made verbatim with this many players overlapping from the previous game?

I thought you were referencing Street Racer's. I don't remember AP replacing into AG.

You got one day before becoming the new tread inspector.

Where is this tunnel onto AP coming from? You just bee-lined for AP the instant he came into the game.

*I know your reads list comes in pretty soonish. But I can't see any trajectories.

Mastin, this looks a lot like you from Game of Champions.

I thought you were scum in GoC.

The one that had all the people listed above in it. There's only 1 game that fits that.

I can understand you referencing Anything Goes, but I don't understand what AP's entrance here has to do with it. Mastin's push against AP, maybe. But past that, not really understanding it.

I trolled back and forth with him for like 500 posts in Anything Goes. His posting here resonates very differently for tonal and frequency reasons.

I don't consider Katsuki's posting here active enough for tonal/frequency comparisons.

Why is mastins vote crossed out and on red?

Because he's a scum-aligned treestump.

*I really don't understand Mastin's tunnel.

It looks like you're trying to put them into a specific position that's advantageous to you.

Maybe. I'll worry about this later.

He 100% believed you guys were scum.

I remember this. He had Kuribo, AP, and to a lesser extent me, as possible traitors. Wrong on all three.

And I'm not going to think to myself oh desperado would care more if he were scum when he's ignoring scum games too lately. I thought the tone of their first post was off, but tbf I misread the implication, I GUESS, since neither of them responded to the question Bork asked about it and my reaction to borks post. I thought walking dead vibes meant a scum list, which made no sense, but apparently that means town reads, which I guess is supported by des popping in to say all he still had was town reads, but not bother to expand. I didn't like des really only popping in to do that but responding to a post I made about them not doing anything

I'm concerned about Desp.

I'm saying town, for the heck of it*.

*Nah, not really. Yukari's actually a legitimate townread.

?

Do people listen to DV?

I don't. In fact, I've just been ignoring your slot.

*I'm loving how nobody's reads lists are meshing with each other. Especially mine with other people's.

Don't really give a shit. Nati has basically checked out of the game because of RL and not wanting to read this shit. His last post was 676 (last Friday) and prior to that 441 (last Tuesday). And considering I didn't even intend to play this game, and I'm the head that nobody is ever going to town read no matter what I do, I've lost interest in even attempting to look town here.

I want this group of players to burn with fucking fire: {AP, despbro, foxhound, PV, GIF}. And I've been wanting this for a while

If you really want to try and lynch me, despbro, I'll 1v1 you tomorrow

This reads town to me.

If you really want to awaken this beast and take it on, I'm down for that.

I want you to awaken, I just don't want to take you on.

Ma Chere Mademoiselles, it is with deepest pride
and greatest pleasure
that we welcome you tonight (or today depending on what timezone you're in!).
And now we invite you to relax,
let us pull up some rope
as The Fox and the Hound proudly present....

Ma Chere Mademoiselles, it is with deepest prideand greatest pleasure that we welcome you tonight (or today depending on what timezone you're in!).And now we invite you to relax, let us pull up some ropeas The Fox and the Hound proudly present....

You're left handed?

Just sheep us and Just Sheep Us!

Bad pun is bad.

Yeah, I haven't seen as much Nati as other people here, but 1159 is not sitting right with me at all. The only time I feel like I've seen him get frustrated like that was in Cash Cabd while he was hammering himself. And I don't see what's to be frustrated about. Feels like fake ATE to me, and especially off because of the player behind it.

I thought that post was made by Muffin.

AP's obvtown from his entrance.

No.

Desp/I are obvtownlurk

No.

p5's probably townlurk.

Could be.

GiF's 100% townlurk.

Maybe.

RBD is a gladiator.

They die.

It's relatively simple.

I don't understand this logic. A gladiator is a weaker equivalent to a Dayvig. And neither are alignment-confirmable.

/48

[Red Gyarados]

I can understand you referencing Anything Goes, but I don't understand what AP's entrance here has to do with it. Mastin's push against AP, maybe. But past that, not really understanding it.

Okay. Yeah. I see how AP's entrance here is similar his in AG.

Doesn't make him obvtown though.

[Red Gyarados]

PV's not a good lynch for today.

I honestly couldn't tell you why we were voting that slot to begin with.

Also how the fuck do you have a gut town read on PV?

How else do you read him?

Everyone should aspire to be able to fake town posts like clyton can.

I don't need to aspire. I can already do it.

What makes you think they're fake?

Wait actually I still think they're town, js.

I'm wondering if ppl are viewing me as "someone who just lurkaderped the whole week before posting" or "someone who was not around for a week and starting to catch up".

What's the difference?

conclusion: ap is scum

I've now lost interest in this game.

/54

Might care again later.

[Red Gyarados]

It doesn't, necessarily (even though we are obvtown and the role is only a minor aspect of why this is so). What you're referring to here is me coming to the realisation that people thought our claim was trolling rather than a serious claim, and noting that it's odd but people will stop thinking that if we confirm it. So I don't really see how this question follows.

I just find your claim's alignment null even if confirmed and was curious as to what your thoughts about it was.

But considering you haven't claimed anything resembling an innocent child yet...

On an unrelated note, I am the new you. Your walls have nothing on mine, bow down before me, pleb.

I'll consider it. I'm skipping over your recent wall posts and skipping towards anything that mentions me because I'm passing my 'how much do I really want to read' threshold for the day.

It is directly tied with our gladiate ability (so no, we can't target different people, and if we don't gladiate, we don't age-cop).

Bummer. Good luck with that.

He's in my policy-lynch-the-fuck-out-of-this-shit-if-he-doesn't-do-anything-town-looking pile, that I naturally reserve for players like him, Saki, et al - there are differences between his scum and town games, and they will become more noticeable as the game goes on (it depends how long you want to leave the PL, really), but I don't see why this is important.

I was specifically asking how anyone could have a town read on him.

If you used tea leaves or divine inspiration

, so be it, but it would be helpful to know, because my tea leaves do nothing more than sink to the bottom of the pot in a pile, and I can intepret this two ways: either the tea leaves clumping together at the bottom is a sign that PV is scum and the clumping tea leaves are him tring to muddy the waters orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr it's a sign that tea leaves naturally tend to do that and it means nothing. Help me out here; which is it?

Oh hey! You treat PV the same way I do! I've only ever seen him in Large Games, and I largely ignore him except for in Anything Goes where I thought him not playing to either his scum-game or his town-game was suspicious as fuck. I also did not miss him after Notty shot his ass in Street Racers (despite him being the town cop).

But I left my general opinion of reading his early play in bold.

but I don't see why this is important.

With the exception of that one question I left for Titan about why they thought Clyton's posts were being faked, my last post was mostly filled with slights towards other players in the game (one of them being my own head). I just don't find trying to read PV off of gut at this point anything out of the ordinary.

Motivate Brian Skies to play.

I've managed to make it to page 62. Nothing interesting really happened for me these last 8 pages except Mac obv-towning more on page 62.

but I do p much like the stuff that Brian has been posting today.

If you've been reading my posts, why didn't you respond to my question?

@Beliffery: Actually, why are you two overruling it?

I think I'd rather hear GiF's response first, but I don't think it really matters in the grand scheme of things.

*Every time I see a post with lots of words in it, I punch a kitten.

[Red Gyarados]

ns's vote on me looks terribad if mastin flips scum.

That was my vote, actually. And aside from me sheeping Titan's vote, I didn't have a reason for it. I even blatantly told you what I was going to do in the post before it.

[Red Gyarados]

If you've been reading my posts, why didn't you respond to my question?

your question about fuckballs? beli will have to answer that.

What? I just quoted my question to you two. I'm wondering why the two of you went out of your way to overrule GiF's scumread on my early post.

[Red Gyarados]

...Read AP's first (maybe 2nd?) post of Anything Goes, where he claims BP lyncher to CTD...

Why are you reading my posts so disjointedly?

[Red Gyarados]

#45 may be the best Brian Skies post I've ever read.

I object.

Overruled

Here?

[Red Gyarados]

Hmmm. Possible.

[Red Gyarados]

Also, for those of you that are curious, Post 1007 was Notty's last post. Everything afterwards is mine.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm trying to remember a time you tunnelfucked someone like this and weren't scum.

Didn't Mastin tunnelfuck the shit outta Yates in Street Racers?

Anyone with Rancid as town has reason to strongly believe me as town.
Anyone with AP somehow as town (they really shouldn't) has reason to strongly believe me to be town. (Heck, even if they think AP's scum they should still be thinking me town anyway. )
Anyone who has BOTH as town (although they're wrong on AP) should also have me as essentially conftown, since AP and zMuff are the only two players I can think of off the top of my head to instinctively, 100%, "get" me and never misread me.

:/

I don't know why, but I just hate it when you say stuff like this (even if I know it should be a thing).

So I want to talk about each of the players in more detail.

As a warning, there's basically nothing here that I haven't already said. But basically...the main reason they're scum is that they haven't been posting as town. There's a lack of sincerity in their posting, especially in their shallow scumhunting. Their posting is manipulative rather than analytical, and they're playing reactively rather than proactively. Additionally, their posting is largely buddying. Know what's really part of the reason they're scum? A lack of provocation. Of safeness in their posting. The closest they come to it is in their dismissive posting, which itself is, well, scummy.

I pulled up their iso, and I'm seeing all of this, quite strongly, throughout their posting, in basically every section of the game. That lack of true, well...effort, for lack of a better word. There's nothing in there that is remarkable. Just stuff meant to look good that vaguely points people in directions that are beneficial to them.

I really can't describe it better than that.

I don't really remember what you've been saying about this slot, but I have been wondering why people were townreading them aside from their sincerity-oozing post (which I entirely skipped over because I don't give a shit about other people's self-meta). I don't remember anything they're really tried to accomplish other than wondering why people weren't townreading them and pushing those who weren't.

Granted I could be due for another re-read or at least an iso of them, but I really don't remember what they've done (granted, I have been ignoring them, but it's mostly because most of their posts feel flat to me). I'll do it tomorrow. That iso is intimidatingly long.

What should tell me that THIS time I should subsume my reads and follow yours?

Nothing. His reads were largely terrible in Street Racers, but he was still town.

{Tammy} Near the top of my townreads. Something about them just feels like town. Not obvtown. That's a different feeling. But...still town.

This has been Notty's rock this game and although I don't have her as super glaringly obvious town, I do have her as strong town.

Instead of seeing a town-AP, I'm seeing an AP-pretending-to-be-town. The actions he do vaguely look town. The words he says vaguely sound town. But how they're done, how they're said, simply...doesn't. I really really wish there was a better way for me to describe the mechanic between AP and I, the dynamic we've had. But this is the best I've got. His posting has been sketchy, with all of it essentially...well, not being the strong AP I know. The best word I can think of to describe it is that it feels halfhearted, rather than sincere, but even this doesn't convey the message.

I'm still conflicted about this read of yours onto AP. I'm having trouble seeing him as scum and I might be due for a re-read.

Mac's basically right up there at Titan levels of town. His posting's simply town; it's pretty dang obvious. If there's anyone here who doesn't have a townread on Mac, maybe I'll be bothered to explain. But basically...his posting is town. It's really obvious.

I thought you said Titan wasn't obvtown for you.

/end Mastin's reads

Will finish tomorrow.

[Red Gyarados]

I just find your claim's alignment null even if confirmed and was curious as to what your thoughts about it was.

If you think us claiming hated, miller, gladiator was possibly a scum ploy of sorts, so be it, I guess?

I'm honestly not even paying attention to the hated/miller part. I just don't see how gladiator and age cop couldn't come from scum, even in tandem with each other.

[Red Gyarados]

If you're reading someone based on their role, you're doing it wrong.

Well, I'm not. And I don't remember ever saying that I was.

Hey Brian, while you are still here, I'd like to hear your thoughts on meta-dive on DV.

I don't meta-dive people. I only do it as a last resort (i.e. my meta-dive on Slimer was because I was concerned she was lynchbait and my reads as a whole weren't very good).

But since you're so concerned about it, I'll take a quick look tomorrow.

[Red Gyarados]

Though in saying that, this is a Cabd game, and we claimed hated, miller, gladiator on the first page, so I mean, unless you think I'm playing completely counter to how I usually play as scum (i.e. safe), it should be pretty obvious from context that we're town here.

I've never seen you as scum. So I don't have a clue what you'd do differently as either alignment. And I'm not one to go off trying to build town and scum models of players. The meta I use on players is very very basic and I like to keep it that way.

[Red Gyarados]

It is up to you if you want to look at his meta. My post was in response to your saying that you were wondering why people were townreading the Fox and the Hound and you seemed to want to discuss that read.

I do actually. But tomorrow when I have a better idea of what that slot has been doing this game.

[Red Gyarados]

I may or may not have punched several kittens earlier.

I remember seeing some interesting things, but nothing important enough to go back and comment on.

@Muffin/Nati: Last thing I remember about Notty before he disappeared into the abyss was something about his prom. Also something about thinking Mastin being right about something. No idea what that was because he never responded to me before disappearing. If I had to guess, it's probably Mastin scum-reading AP's entrance into this game (only thing that makes sense to me based on time-stamps). Or a town-read on you. Take your pick.

Then I don't really understand why you keep talking about my role if you think it means nothing in regards to my alignment.

There was actually a really specific reason why I was interested in your role, but it's no longer applicable.

And you're the one who claimed your role in your opening post. You're welcome to keep whatever information regarding your claim to yourself, but don't be surprised when people come asking you about it.

More OMGUS tunneling.

Okay, I don't think I'm being fair here as I still haven't had a chance to go back and look at this slot. I just barely managed to catch-up today (and even then, my reads are still a garbled mess). But all I remember out of this slot is OMGUS tunneling and wondering why it's not being townread by certain players. How the fuck is this being read as town?

You guys had better reason to think I'm scum than to think mastin is scum. So technically you should still be voting me, but you aren't.

Assuming Mastin is town: They are either stubborn town using this as an opportunity to PL Mastin, or they're scum trying to line up lynches.

I mean, both you and Nacho are buddying/defending Mastin up to this point. AP also refuses to attach a scum-read to Mastin's slot. I find it irritating that people are scum-reading Mastin but throwing townreads towards all these other players' directions.

*Yes, the above point has been pointed out by Mastin herself. I don't really care. I share the same opinion.

*Like ffs. How much crap can two people spout in their tunnel of each other.

No, I think Kagura is probably my favorite pick for scum right now. A side of Carbon and PV.

These are the three I'm actually most interested in right now. You'd have to sell me on the Kagura one (and you'd have to sell me pretty hard if you want me to vote Nacho Day 1; and it's not like I'm really reading any of their posts so I'd feel extremely bad about it), but I don't like Carbon and PV a whole lot (PV could be town, but I find it odd how much analysis he's already managed to do early on in this game; feels very different). I'd be most interested in Carbon because there's just something I don't like about his posts (I could just be biased against Falcon, and I'm pretty concerned about this). I just don't like the way he just comes in and buddies/white knights/defends the players I consider lynching (my reads could really just be terrible and I've already been through this process with Falcon before).

There are other concerns, but I'm tabling them for now because I don't think they hold any weight.

Oh, you didn't mention the fox. I'd be okay with lynching that.

I have basically the best damn case I could ever possibly make against AP.
All the right points are there.

Your case is too long. Make it shorter and simpler. I don't intend to read all your walls until Day 2 (well I actually do read your posts and I'll probably end up reading them tomorrow, it just takes too much work to go through).

I may have been hasty with my

RG

Brian endorsement.

Yeah, cuz you haven't made this post before.

I'm just ignoring it because my slot wasn't deserving of a townread at that point in time.

It doesn't help that this game has so many hydras. TBH I'm just waiting for them to die off before I actually start playing the game.

How bout you just obvtown yourself and eat a bullet?

The deadline is looming and we have no other player that we can build a strong wagon on, correct me if I'm wrong.

Trust me. It doesn't matter how close the deadline is. Someone will get lynched. It might be the most god awful retarded ass lynch, but it will happen.

Mastin, if you are alive in LYLO (which you will be if you aren't lynched), it is an auto-loss, isn't it?

?

Why can't he die at LYLO?

What I really, really don't want to do is turn two potential scum wagons into a deadline lurker town wagon and lynch PeregrineV. I am strongly concerned that AP and Mastin are throwing out his name in the midst of their loud argument. That is a worst possible outcome I can imagine coming out of Day 1 where we let BOTH of them slip by and lynch PV.

This could be town. But I really don't give a shit about the PV slot.

EXCEPT LITERALLY ALL MY FUCKING POSTING HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON GETTING SCUM TICKED OFF ENOUGH TO NIGHTKILL ME.

bullshit

VOTE: MastinSSK

This was the straw that broke the camel's back?

How much interest do you guys having in lynching PV?

Moderate. Not a person I'd miss if I were wrong.

Can a meta player link me to another town game where F16 has made this little sense?

Define what you mean by 'making sense.'

If MastinSSK flips scum, I think you should at least re-evaluate Rancid on D2 given his interactions with MastinSSK.

Especially interested in this

Why? I think it's a fair point. The only difference is that he should be pushing you first. But no, everyone wants to townread the people defending Mastin (and these are pretty credible players when it comes to Mastin) and just try to lynch Mastin instead.

3) His role takes away one town vote. Rancid's role requires one less vote to lynch. What do you think of that?

Nothing? You're essentially trying to tie together two negative utilities to one scum-team.

Even if mastin IS scum, she has buddies. Hint: They ARENT RBD.

So you think that if Mastin is scum, then RBD is just being fooled/incapable of correctly reading her?

In regards to Mastin's role and the nature of roleclaiming, we will never know if that role is legitimate to the person unless he/she is dead and the role is revealed to us officially. However, I have strong assumptions that Tammy is town if we analyze the role. It does not help the mafia team at all with the voting restriction. Yes, there is a possibility that the role can be scum-aligned, but I would most likely believe it would be better put on a team of 5, not 4; otherwise, the balance will be off and the mafia will be at a disadvantage. The reason of there being 4 mafia members means that they have top-tier PRs.

What does Tammy have to do with Mastin's roleclaim?

find someone who actually does understand my play or syncs up and works with me smoothly and easily and ask their opinion.

@ffery: I do not fall into this category.

Supertown

RBD
Titan
Breakfast With Stalin
Kagura

Town

Clyton
RG
orcinus? would like your opinion on this

Fucked if I know

Mastin
AP
Just Sheep Us

Lol, who?

LordBusiness
Cupcake

Scumreads

CarbonFiber
Fox and the Hound

P5
Yukari

Your reads look similar to mine. And you're probably the only person on this site I'd be happy to actually see my reads be similar to. But I have Yukari as flat null. I'm ambivalent on PV and don't care either way what happens to him. I want to lynch the Fox. And although I want to lynch Carbon, I am extremely paranoid about being wrong about him (one because I'm not confident I can read him and two because he's a boon to town if he's actually town).

I understand your concerns about LB. I've had them too. But can you really blame the guy for losing interest in the game (regardless of alignment) with all the noise being created by players using information he's not accustomed to? After he's been complaining about the use of meta all game?

The JSU hydra is another hydra I'm worried about, but I don't think it's something that 1) I'm anything but tepid about and 2) anything that I can get lynched today.

I make cases to push for lynches.

You should probably be making cases for survivalism at this point.

This playerslist is dangerous and there isn't a consensus scum-read. I only think a very select few are safe right now.

*It's now 4 in the morning and I'm going to sleep.

I see the new posts. The site had a network timeout. I'm still going to sleep because fuck if I care at 4:30 in the morning.

[Red Gyarados]

Was that Brian or NotScience?

~ F-16

Just pretend everything from this hydra is going to come from me unless I indicate otherwise (now I know how Muffin felt with his RT hydra).

We are counterclaiming Rancid Broderick Drake as a miller.

Here is our full role claim:

1) Our character name is Luke from Tales of the Abyss.

2) We are a town replica.

3) We return as "replica" to all cops.

4) We also have an ability to set up neighborhoods. Each day, we send the name of a mothership title (like Tales of the Abyss) to Cabd and he sets up a neighborhood for all the people in that title. For instance, we sent him "Tales of the Abyss" today and he set up a neighborhood for us, BRO-Desp, Nacho-Bork, and GIF. (This is the reason why I haven't interacted with Nacho in thread and I figured ffery/others would pick up on it). Based on the interactions in the neighborhood, I am massively confident that BRO and Desp are town.

Okay. So there can't be the existence of two millers in the same game because...?

Also, I'm so jealous of your neighborhood. But what has GiF been up to in there?

Whether or not you believe this was the optimal time to claim is always going to be debatable.

I think you could have claimed the miller part earlier. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't think it would have been any more/less optimal considering what your actual role is.

Except you wouldn't have flipped "miller" (and neither will we) so this doesn't make sense

Wouldn't it be more along the lines of him saying he's going to flip town and town wouldn't have a reason to lie about what their role was? I mean, this is Falcon we're talking about here. Not RC.

*I just now re-realized that my role PM doesn't follow traditional Mafia names. I thought I was just special because of my role/character.

One thing f-16's claim clears up is some of the absolutely crazy-making differences in reads of my townreads.

It just makes me care less about how fucked up I know my reads are.

and I can see all the mod-wifom he's spreading in this game. at some point the plans within plans within plans come to an end, though, and we as players have to decide what we think.

Pretty sure Cabd said something along the lines of "I'm gonna smile every time someone claims." And it's probably that devious twisted smile that looks like .

I really don't think any of the roleclaims mean shit standing on their own.

Kagura is voting me. Doesn't that make it autotown?

You or Nacho?

(Why am *I* the voice of reason? >_<)

Because you usually are? People just don't like to listen to you because they don't trust you.

We're NOT doing a compromise deadline wagon when there is a counterclaim.

What exactly did you counterclaim though? Miller? Not really all that persuasive for me.

[Red Gyarados]

Just Sheep Us isn't getting lynched today. You need to be elsewhere.

Well, obviously. That elsewhere is what I'm trying to find out.

And the more I think about Falcon's claim, the more Kagura's defense of JSU from RD earlier makes sense.

I'm seriously thinking this could be townVtown right now.

That's where my reads were in the beginning of the game. But you know. Arguments and shit happened. And CF is floating to the top of my reads list again for some reason.

Anyway, I would be super duper hilariously shocked if CF flipped scum here. Like I'd just be shocked. The most recent post to ffery just felt so genuine and it resonates so.

Could be. I really liked that post from Falcon as well.

I'm also finding his offer to trade his soul for Muffin's very townish.

He's is so clearly town and has already proven it.

When did he prove his alignment? All he's proven is his claim.

Falcon - Why did you think a miller neighborizer was unlynchable in this game?

I wasn't actually soft-claiming with the "we're not getting lynched." I was looking forward to playing in a Cabd game for a while and it came when I was relatively freer irl so I was going to give it everything I've got, be active and not fall behind. It is more that I intend to give maximum effort into the game, enough to be easily readable as well.
~ F-16

I'm not going back to hunt down the post, but wasn't it out of frustration? Or at least, that's what I got out of it.

Paranoia theory:
There is no neighborhood for today.
The claimed neighborhood is entirely made up of scum.
/AP.
(Because this is totally AP's type of theory to make.)

And all it would take is one Tales of the Abyss character counterclaim to wreck their shit.

*Wth is this neighborhood shit I'm reading?

I'm considering asking a strong townread to claim their title D2 so that I can activate a neighborhood for everyone in their title (I won't be in it).

Pretty sure I'm not that high up on your reads list, but don't bother. I highly doubt a neighborhood with me in it will be anything but a waste of your time. I think my title is pretty obscure and I'm pretty bummed about it now that I know what your role is. (I actually could have been a part of an super awesome neighborhood in Bork's last game but I replaced out cuz I'm a tool T_T )

Yggdra Union replaces Yukari Yakumo effective immediately.

I actually find this alignment indicative and will no longer be interested in anything resembling a GiF lynch today. Don't ask me why because I'm not going to tell you (even under the threat of death).

zmuffin basically had the mini game I mentioned figured out on day 1 before he and nacho distracted the hell out of each other.

This is typically what I see happening in my games with Muffin-town. He figures shit out. Town fucks it up.

...I kinda want to lynch Angry Pigeon.

I'm okay with this. But an AP wagon has to go through Bro, and that doesn't seem like all that much fun.

Anyone else?

*Actually, I might really just want to lynch AP.

AP - It's not out of the ordinary for scum to throw up a humongous argument like you and Mastin did and thinking you guys might be bussing isn't inherently anti-town. I've gotten into a beautiful argument with more than one scum partner and cross bussed in such a way that it left one of us clear after the other got lynched.

Actually, now that you bring this up, I'm getting flashbacks from Street Racers where AP refused to read ETL as town from her 1v1 with Hannibal because he thought they could have been bussing each other (I don't advise reading through it though unless you plan on cutting yourself at some point).

GiF's voting me.

Trusting him is not exactly something I'm receptive to doing.

Good luck with that. I trust GiF a lot more than I would trust you (not in this game particularly, just in general).

That reminds me

Can we instill a 5-day hard deadline limit for tmr? This site meta of going up to deadline in every single fucking game is simply ridiculous. I'm not even sure what I'm spose to make of 100 pages of fluff.

Make shit up. Worry about it never.

I call this masterpiece "some of my reads".

They look like mine.

*Nice hydrae list. I'm impressed and a little bit jealous. Why you no hydra with me?

*I'm also reaching the point where my I don't really give a shit who dies anymore. My reads change pretty drastically every 10-20 pages or so and I can only give so many fucks in 72 hours.

oh hi there mastin I bet there are two scum in the Abysm, wanna guess who?

It's probably not GiF, and if you even think about trying to lynch that slot you're not making it to Night 1.

Unlike muffin, I like PV because he's easy to figure out the alignment of, you just have to wait til day four.

By then if he's town, a vig might just shoot him.

[Red Gyarados]

Just because they are in a neighborhood?

Yes. Regardless of alignment. I thought Kagura's random defense of JSU was really out of place and it makes more sense now that I know they share a neighborhood QT.

If Kagura is town, he has a townread of JSU and didn't want RBD touching that slot.
If Kagura is scum, then he's either WK'ing JSU or defending their buddy. But he probably wouldn't do it without the neighborhood to fall back on.

I was also following along with whichever game of the Xenosaga trilogy I was a part of to see what would happen to my slot (didn't read through all of it, just what the general gamestate was as the game went on). I was curious as to why there wasn't a whole lot of suspicion on Dan based on his almost complete lack of content in the game thread but apparently he masonized Nacho and put all his thoughts in there.

Similar thing here. You have several people who weren't really doing much early on. GiF is unexplained still (leaning towards general apathy here), but apparently Kagura/JSU were posting in the neighborhood.

Granted, there has been zero indication of when Falcon actually made his neighborhood, so it's just speculation on my part.

Thats why it on level with AP paranoia

Your paranoia is staggering.

ehhhhhh? If so, then this is sort of trust-tell-y. So I basically will be ignoring any discussion that stems from this.

IT IS! And yeah, it really is trust-tell-y. I'm not giving it a whole lot of credence (hence me explicitly stating that I wasn't interested in lynching them today instead of for the entire game). It was just my initial reaction.

But it's not like Pie won't make their alignment more easily readable at some point. And I've generally liked their recent posting. So I'm sticking by my tentative townread.

Im niot saying its impossible for scum to hollywood. But. Like mastin tunneling me and me focusing mostly on mastin for 90% of the game? I mean I might be biased because I KNOW that mastin and I arent buddies and Ive been pretty emotionally drained as part of walling up the thread with mastin, so maybe Im just really lacking that outside perspective here.

It has way less to do with what you would think than what you were accusing what a town player would think. It's slightly hypocritical but hypocrisy isn't a scum-tell.

I think muffin was just upset, our hydra qt just has the word 'HATE' a thousand times, along with 'INNOCENT CHILD IS MILLER'.

I just want one game where 'innocent child' and Muffin aren't a thing.

I think this might have gotten missed anyway--Desp should have remembered since this is part of what pinned him down in that game.

I thought it was his poorly done fake-hider claim.

I'm probably the only person who has a problem with it but it doesn't feel right.

Uh. No? I was in the game where this became a major issue (and I was slightly concerned about it). Pie was a part of that game too. If I thought there was a breach in ethics here, I would have said something about it.

But I can think of a few reasons why GiF would ask Pie and still be scum, and the reasoning he gave you was one of those reasons.

I was actually efforting D1 in a game filled with walls.

Most of my effort hasn't come until I realized Notty wasn't around to obvtown my slot anymore and I didn't want to get replaced.

1--shits and giggles, in case it wasn't obvious, neither muffin or I had any intention of playing seriously.
2--Due to site culture, any miller claim is town, and we needed to make sure to coax it out. We just didn't forsee a goddamn neighborhood.

I find it weird that I become less frustrated and more entertained as this game goes on. I think this is a sign I don't give a shit anymore.

UNVOTE:

Fuck I'm going to sleep.

Why the unvote? I actually liked it.

And don't tell me because you're eating up the 'woe is me' bullshit.

Nevermind. You put it back on.

-_-

bc I could totally see 2 millers in a cabd game

\o/

Suck it Falcon!

this is also bullshit btw. are you srsly arguing that, bc a few other ppl are townreading you, that means F-16 should be too? that is literally the worst argument I've ever seen in my whole entire life

I'm pretty sure the original argument was "these players read me as town, how can you read me as scum without suspecting these players first?" Insert suspicions of buddying/WK'ing.

bc it's the exact same shit he pulled last time he was scum in AOT on obvtown Kagami in order to try and strongarm a mislynch

Oh, is that how Kagami got lynched that game? I was wondering about that.

I don't understand why anyone wants/wanted to lynch PV.

Because I don't care about the people I don't pay attention to.

*I'm like consistently a page behind for some reason.

[Red Gyarados]

Yes. Regardless of alignment. I thought Kagura's random defense of JSU was really out of place and it makes more sense now that I know they share a neighborhood QT.

If Kagura is town, he has a townread of JSU and didn't want RBD touching that slot.
If Kagura is scum, then he's either WK'ing JSU or defending their buddy. But he probably wouldn't do it without the neighborhood to fall back on.

Errr ok? So this doesnt actually affect your read on them, it was just of note to you?

I didn't label it in my explanation or earlier, but I read it as scum earlier. Townish now that I have a better idea of what's been going on.

[Red Gyarados]

I'd prefer not to. This game re-motivated me to purchase Tales of Xillia this past Friday and I think it's going to be the first JRPG I complete since Dark Cloud 2.

[Red Gyarados]

@Brian: So why it does make you think Bork is townish for that? You actually talked about how it made more sense for town him AND scum him in general, so where is this read coming from?

I did point to both possible alignments for him. But I'm leaning towards the townish narrative. I think it's more likely his defense of JSU was town-motivated unless you think he was planning on outing his neighborhood at some point.

[Red Gyarados]

Unvote: Just Sheep Us

Reading.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm still a few pages behind. But I'm not flash-lynching someone who can't even defend himself.

[Red Gyarados]

I will vote the largest wagon within <PV, Rancid, Mastin, Bro/Desp>, but I will not be voting a last second flashwagon on someone who can't even claim.

[Red Gyarados]

Pretty sure I'm talking about Orci?

[Red Gyarados]

I'm also like 10 pages behind? Did orci claim earlier?

[Red Gyarados]

Well, I actually just saw that. But it doesn't sound like what I thought a governor is supposed to do.

[Red Gyarados]

Welp. This is an interesting and unforeseen predicament.

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: Lord Business

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura
VOTE: Kagura


This is a dodge. I'll be here either tomorrow or Friday with a full reread or two.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm not even voting borkhead

I'm voting Nacho

[Red Gyarados]

actually

VOTE: mastin

Because I owe Bro a sheep

[Red Gyarados]

V/LA through Saturday.

Because fuck you guys and how many pages you can generate.

Also, Notty is alive and talking to me again and we have things to discuss.

[Red Gyarados]

Also, the other three posts weren't mine.

[Red Gyarados]

I have 110 pages to read. I'll probably end up rereading all 150.

So, you get to wait until I've done that.

In the meantime, my opinion is to sheep Bro's opinion.

And Nacho needs to be lynched.

[Red Gyarados]

Counterargument

Scum ns is almost always less engaged/lurkaderpy than town ns by a huge margin

[Red Gyarados]

Mastin, I myself say that activity is an accurate way to read me, that my activity tis game SHOULD be changing reads.

[Red Gyarados]

Are we talkng about ns's scum meta?

I love to talk about ns's scum meta.

As to why my activity has been lacking in this game, I'm behind and haven't had chance to read up yet.

Also, probably the only person I'd trust to lead the town at the moment is Pieguyn.

I can lead the town

pedit-

Can we stop ninjaing me

[Red Gyarados]

notty and i are syncing now \o/

he's convincing me the Fox is town
we both think Nacho is scum

still waiting on his complete catch-up before we finish our discussions

[Red Gyarados]

Heads up, they'll be long. I'll have them all spoiled seperately, but it'll be really long. I'm done 5 of the ISOs atm (I'm not doing deadlings) and once that's done I'm going to read the game as a piece and compare my thoughts (I'll have my reads prior, my reads after the game, and my final reads as seperate lists).

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: Kagura

BLOOD HAS NEVER TASTED SO GOOD

Also I'm on mastinssk's ISO and it's 3 pages long and I'm willing to bet it's 2/3 wall so can I skip it or will you guys flip your shit if I do

[Red Gyarados]

Brian supports the Kagura vote.

Will read the many walls of this game when I can. Notty and I are still trying to synch up on our reads and he keeps sending me walls.

[Red Gyarados]

Spoilered because I don't think people want to scroll down through it every time they come across it.

Spoiler:

Nacho coming in and telling me to stop telling RBD not to use personal insults felt weird and him saying that Just Sheep Us were creating a

carnival of Lunacy

felt even wierder because to me, it seemed like it was RBD all along. I want to hear an objective viewpoint on whether any of how Nacho interpreted the gamestate made any sense whatsoever.

I don't remember anything from Bro indicating the italicized portion. The issue I have with JSU is them hiding out in their neighborhood and not really bleeding anything into the game thread until AP showing up. And when AP did show up, Bro comes up with some half-assed reason to townread AP. I still don't like it but you guys say he's been town as shit in his neighborhood.

Notty still hasn't given me an opinion on what alignment he thinks RBD is (or some of the other slots for that matter, still don't think he's fully caught up), even though I gave him that assignment like 4 days ago. I was townreading RBD yesterday, and I don't think my opinion is going to change without a full reread (not happening anytime soon unless I feel like giving up my Friday for it) or the person with his alignment information comes forward (not something I'm interested in pursuing right now).

What worried me most was the timing of when he showed up. He was gone all game and suddenly, four hours or so before deadline, he was here and starting up multiple wagons.

This is one of the things that I brought up to Notty when he said he thought Nacho was scum. His reasoning is 90% spite for recent games (10% reasoning that I actually agree with). I just think Nacho is more likely to deflect onto easy mislynches when he's scum. The timing of the Orci wagon was terrible and something I don't think would have benefited town at all.

@Ffery: People evolve. I wouldn't rely on old meta tells too much.

and Mac are the players that are townreads I'm willing to risk the game off of. Don't care what anyone else says on them. They're all town.

Holy shit with all this emotional clusterfuck going around, I'm just gonna stop and give this game a rest until the next day. I applaud the people who are still sane and going through this according to their win condition.

Vote: orcinus_theoriginal

Orcinus, I don't know if your claim is true or not. I do not even know if it is town-aligned or not. But your intentions were made clear that regardless of who is lynched, you will intervene. Now, I have a request. Choose me as one of the participants, and preferably Mastin as the other. I will personally deal with her and expose her for the emotional rift-raft she is and outline every inconsistency and scumtells I picked up from the previous 30 pages from her (and the entire game anyways) while outlining my personal defense (something I already explained in some of the posts, not sure how some of them miss that but if they are truly town, they avoided it and went on the basis of an inherent scum action).

And here, he suddenly shows a burst of emotion, and basically does something that isn't logical at all. Defending orc, but then voting him like this, with no (gaaaah) trajectory. The read on me comes out of nowhere, too. Clyton's read on me seems highly, well, desperate, defensive, and quite frankly, omgusy. Because there's nothing that hints this direction at all. The read is essentially one that is highly convenient (given the scumreads on me) and valuable to him (given the lack of stronger scumreads on him).

The issue I have with Clyton's post is that he claimed to have found several inconsistencies and scumtells from you in the previous 30 pages but didn't do anything to pursue you then and hasn't done anything up until now. He didn't clarify his read and when somebody came in to press him on it (Bro), his read conveniently shifted.

You did not get the memo that I am also trying to make sense of how Cabd works his game and if that has an affect on my outlook of my reads or not.

For example, I did mentioned if roles had an impact on the alignment of a person (which is proven to be debunked). Think from Cabd's position, was it his purpose to put half a rolecop's ability with one person and the other half with the other person and make them both town? Was it his intention for them to work together in order to effectively use the rolecop ability? I'm not sure how this defense (rather a scenario) does not make sense.

I need more solid proof from you and your accusations against me rather than "this doesn't feel."

I think you're missing the forest for the trees. You're overthinking the roles and should be more concerned about how the person is playing.

Btw, worth mentioning: while I can imagine Stalin as scum, I don't think the governor would be putting a scumbuddy in, not even against a lurker. So not scumbuddies together, but either could be scum. Lean towards yes for orc and no for ffery, but easily could both be town. (Eh, we'll figure it out later.)

Notty doesn't like Orci's lack of trajectories or some other stuff that I haven't read through yet. I don't think his cagefight choices are particularly damning because:
1) He got flashwagoned at deadline to be a feel-good lynch instead of settling an ongoing debate between players.
2) Any lurker he sent in against Ffery was basically doomed to die.
3) There was an option to no lynch, he stated so before he even sent anyone in, and LB screwed it up by opening it up with a self-vote.

Again. Rancid's the main scum nightkill. No fucking way is him being janitored anything but design. His townflip would have been immensely useful, and their presence in the game unflipped was simply too strong. Janitoring them is the perfect scum tactic.

Mac's a tough call, though. It could be a scum double-kill ability. Mac might have protected town who was killed by town. Or the paranoid bodyguard bit acting as a modified rolestop somehow got triggered. Could be anything, but is most certainly not the main scum kill.

I don't know what the paranoid modifier does to a bodyguard, but I find it unlikely for Mac to have died from anything other than a scum nightkill (whether he was directly or indirectly targeted).

Okay, then. Scenario. Orc's scum. He gets lynched and self-governs. He puts two obvtown players in.

This is a terrible point. Why would a scum governor put two obvtown players into a cagefight? That's poor play.

I submitted Kagura, Carbon Fiber, Peregrine.

Carbon Fiber is town.

I actually completely missed you claiming yesterday for some reason (I may have been selectively ignoring you, I don't know). I also share the same game flavor as you and would now be interested in a neighborhood if you're town (apparently the game Notty chose isn't as obscure as I thought?).

I also find all the votes on you pretty hilarious when the things you've said regarding your claim checks out from Day 1.

Also, I find it strange for people to roll a 'cop' role and still have trouble keeping up or being motivated to play a game (with regards to the hydra that actually rolled 'modified cop'). It's just w/e though and I'm not holding any weight in it.

*You guys are blowing up the thread again.

I think there are likely 2 scum in Stalin/Titan/PV. This push on me is actually ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain should understand why I did what I did and its pretty fucking baffling that I might get MISLYNCHED over my really strong point on F16.

have you literally called the whole playerlist scum at some point?

If he has, this is actually something that's more likely to come from a town AP.

AP: Your (Actual, no BS) investigate target in your next post with the result you got.

You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.

Your target is notified of your investigation?

*I'm not going back to verify the points between Clyton and Mastin in their 1v1. But I'd probably lynch Clyton before Mastin (mostly because I'm still not scumreading Mastin and I think Clyton is likely to be scum). Also, Mastin is clearly winning their battle as Clyton seems mostly on the defensive to me.

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them. I doubt scum would let me investigate Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.

How does roleblocking you make any of your investigation targets likely to be town? If you're not going to get your result, they can just choose one of their own and not give any fucks about it.

But again. What happens if one of the mislynches becomes obvtown? LB did. What if another mislynch candidate was against LB and also became obvtown off of their banter? One would die, yeah. But the other would then no longer be a mislynch.

First of all, this is a hypothetical situation that wouldn't have reflected anything onto Orc's play had it actually happened (as it would have occurred after he submitted the names). The last sentence also makes no sense in relation to the rest of it.

To be honest, if ns and Brian Skies don't start upping their game, I'm gonna get paranoid enough to bump 'em down from above-Carbon to below-Stalin. (Immediately below, admittedly, putting them above the nulls, but still weak town.)

Whatever. I rolled town this game and Notty is good at obvtowning so I don't care. I'm just annoyed that I'm doing more work this game than I was planning on doing.

I need to look at all the players who did townread 'em and see how much I trust that.

Somebody (brian?) said that GIF replacing into a hydra made them practically conftown. I cant remember much other reasoning for anyone's read on them; that one was pretty bad though.

I still stand by that comment, by the way (even if it's something I won't be giving any credence in the future). Although, it was more of me just removing GiF from my Day 1 lynch pool. I liked the way Pie came in and immediately pushed Mastin upon replacing in (and that was where my actual read came from, I'm pretty sure I stated something along these lines at the end of Day 1), but that's pretty much dissipated. I know Pie tunnels, but his lack of anything Day 2 aside from going after Mastin is dissipating my read on him.

Granted, yeah. Mac obvtown. But that doesn't mean that if he was intentionally killed by scum, that was their reasoning. (In fact, that would be reasoning for them to avoid killing him intentionally.)

If I had to pick scum out of the AP/Mastin shitstorm that's been brewing, it would more than likely be AP. He came into this game and was pounced upon by mastin, and was immediately pretty much "yeah, you're town mastin, but wrong." Now since the tides have slowly been turning against mastin, he's shifted his opinion to suit with it and something about his trajectory (/ffery) feels very off.

Like early doors, mastin was yelling about AP being scum. And I don't think all that much has changed between mastin then and mastin now.

Shows it a bit more clearly.

This is actually one of the things I brought up to Notty when I was catching him up about a week ago? We both agreed that you coming out of the gates and hard scumreading AP and AP to just continue townreading you was really weird. Especially after AG where he was gung-ho about lynching you for it.

I strongly believe Red Gyarados to be town.

The wavering from your read on this slot is baffling. I can't get any inkling of how we go from could be scum, to weak null read that you need to see more of, to weak town, to strong town in such a short amount of time.

actually

VOTE: mastin

Because I owe Bro a sheep

I think I actually owe Pie a sheep. But I always butt heads with him when it comes to reads (usually me being wrong).

vote: mastin

here's how this is going to go. if you are not voting mastin, your next post must contain a vote for mastin, or else a counter to this:

mastin's reaction to BRO was

100% a scum reaction

. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not.

because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town.

he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

for anyone who has any doubts, note how mastin literally has no defense for it. so he tries to write it off my misrepping the situation:

Oh, you meant BRO's wall.

Bluntly, I didn't read it all. I skimmed.

I saw him having a meltdown for having been suddenly scumread.

That's the part of the meltdown that would remain even if he changed his mindset, though he's not getting lynched anymore meaning even then he's going to be less stressed.
I also saw the remaining being ranting about how Rancid and I are obvscum and manipulating everyone and that he's right and getting lynched again in spite of that, again.

If I missed something that doesn't fit into one of those two categories, let me know. Because the first is no longer relevant, and the second I addressed by simply pointing out him changing his erroneous read would fix. 'Cause he's wrong. I know that sounds bad to say to someone having an emotional breakdown, that bluntly, they're wrong. But he is, soyeah. It needed to be said.

the bolded is a

literal and direct misrep of what happened

. in no way was BRO's meltdown in response to being "suddenly scumread" - that was just one factor among many.

"fixing an erroneous read" doesn't change the fact that mastin and zmuffin have pulled every fucking emotionally manipulative trick in the book and flooded the thread with their bullshit mist

the italicized directly proves my point - he literally does not give a flying fuck about how much he's pissed off another player. QED.


also, mastin, if you respond to this post I'll take it as a scum claim. if you're town you will gain literally nothing from responding to this, and if you're scum I don't wanna give you easy material to keep BS'ing about (bc it's obviously what your strategy has been so far). your responses to me have all been deflective, manipulative, or otherwise not remotely town and I've had enough of your shit. plz and thx

-Y

I'll revisit your case on him later. But it's kind of hard to agree with you when I've been agreeing with a lot of Mastin's and RBD's points this game.

So if for nobody else if not them, then I'm pushing for a PV lynch.

I think half of your posting this day so far has been 'PV is scum, let's lynch him.' And I'd like some reasoning for this since I haven't seen anything so far that's convincing enough for me to sheep you.

Derp.

If Kagura wasn't conftown before, they are now.
Mac was a modified rolestopper.
Look up what rolestopping does.
AP claims to have had Kagura targeted, but having received no result--regardless of AP's alignment, I'm inclined to believe he's telling (most of) the truth in that.
Kagura was Mac's target last night.

Hmm? Maybe. Wondering if Mac was deadset on targeting Kagura and AP wasn't just roleblocked.

@Breakfast-

let's talk about Red Gary as a "Pretty Town" read. You have any specifics as to why?

I'm extremely disconnected from this game. I thought that was pretty self-evident when I first came back into the game late Day 1 (and once again here). I've been using LoL as a means of escape from Mafia (which I find extremely ironic considering I originally used Mafia as a means of escape from LoL).

I actually can't remember if Notty sent me a JSU wall and I'll check my Skype when I get home. But he seems pretty set on sheeping him at this point for some reason (maybe it doesn't actually have anything to do with Bro?).

*Also, Notty sends me these beautiful walls outlining people's trajectories and stuff and I keep telling him I'll read them, but I've been largely blowing them off. Actually wondering if I should just throw his walls in thread and call it a day.

Counterargument

Scum ns is almost always less engaged/lurkaderpy than town ns by a huge margin

Is it your goal to get us mislynched this game?

Brian asked some decent questions in his catch up posts during the later part of day 1 and I stayed pretty happy with them as a result. but I don't remember him really following up on the answers to the stuff he asked about.

I actually don't remember the questions I was asking at the end of Day 1, or if I was getting answers to the things I wanted answers to (cough* Ffery cough*).

I don't like walling much. By my pre MS standards I've become a waller. :/ I think I said to CF sometime on day 1 that I usually respond with a thumbnail when someone asks me about a player. If they want detail, I unpack it. But most of the time people don't want detail. they want to know where I stand.

I prefer detail (not a lot of it, just enough for me to see where you're coming from). And I also like it when I'm asking something specific (cough* Ffery cough*).

Eh, I'll buy this. RG has been hovering around my 'meh leaning towards hm' list for a bit now.

I havent really seen anything particularly interesting from that slot and NS's re-entry today looked a bit contrived with the whole "guess I'll vote mastin since BRO is" bit. I actually looked up the game they were referring to (Wicked Mafia) to see if I felt that was justified and I eh. I think NS could easily be using that as an excuse for a vote right now, I didnt find that game particularly compelling for him to be blindly sheeping BRO here, especially since BRO was long removed from it.

ALSO BRO IM QQING ABOUT THINGS IN OUR HYDRA QT, HELP.

There's more to Notty's current Nacho hate than just the Wicked game (and apparently whether or not he decided to sheep Bro). I've just been handwaving it and listening to the parts that matter.

Oh. Your post reminds me.
That's one reason I've felt you're scum.

You're playing far. FAR. More reactively this game than you should be, ESPECIALLY as a cop.
The town AP I know is more proactive and aggressive. That's not been absent for part of the game; it's been absent ALL the game.

I'll put it another way.
Town-AP is generating opinions.
Scum-AP is more concerned about opinions.
And your play this game looks like the latter. Not former.

But I digress. This is not a rock-solid tell. It's a potential alignment indicator but not a strong one. You have scum-games generating opinions and town-games being concerned about opinions, but they're bluntly not the majority.

I don't actually have an opinion on this. I'm just quoting it so I will look at it later.

yet Bork is on pretty much everyone's obvtown list

He's not on my list, and it would pain me for you to even think so.

You are still pushing PV who is a pretty strong townread of mine.

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I asked you about this and you made a case Day 1. I never looked at it. But PV is someone I told Notty I was looking into so I might revisit that soonish.

I am trying to catch up on this game but my kitten is laying next to me snoring and I keep stopping to just watch how adorable he is and I'm feeling myself drift off in the process, so I'll probably fall asleep before I can actually get anywhere and this is a useless post but I wanted everyone to know I have a cute fucking cat.

I actually made Notty iso you. He made some snarky comment along the lines of 'why do I need to do this?,' and called you town based on trajectories and something about 'bothering to go the distance.' I'm sure there's more to it, but I largely just blew it off cuz I just wanted his opinion.

No niño...the tales of abyss game. Nacho was in a neighborhood I was looking for his neighborhood behavior.

In the Xenosaga game that recently ended, Nacho was in a neighborhood AND was masonized by ActionDan. In case you're interested about behavior.

and I think ns/BS are a strong enough pair to WIFOM-ball it back as scum.

What does this even mean?

CarbonFiber, how sure do you feel that your neighborhood is all town?

I would bank the game on Pie/GIF, and BRO/Desp. I gave my views on Kagura and I don't have them as strongly town as I did before.

I'd like details on what's actually going on in that neighborhood of yours. It's annoying me that I can't see it and I want to know what Nacho's been up to in there.

The earlier posts that notsci made had the tone he hits as town, but this post basically outlines his town approach - townhunt, townbloc, PoE, sheep town reads.

For comparison, have a look at this scum game iso: viewtopic.php?t=37251&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=21185&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go

Note his reaction to me, note his blatant buddying of bert - not the light-sparring/light-buddying interaction he did in this game but straight up "you're my in-thread mason and I'm going to buddy the shit out of you". The difference is confidence. Not confidence in himself. Confidence in other players being town. He doesn't have it here and the early game he's clearly watching and weighing people. He's coming to quick decisions, but the weighing process is there.

I'll be linking the games at the end of this post because I'm spoiling most of this, but I just had a scum-game with Notty where he opened up trying to buddy up to Majiffy and abusing the flowchart Day 1. He rode it pretty hard but still got himself lynched later on.

This was a Brian post. What I was looking for here was a sense of comfortable confidence which I've come to associate with his town entrance into games as his play has developed. It's almost always there when he's town. I was also looking for what sorts of posts he would pick to comment on in the early game - whose noses he'll tweak.

This was actually something I'd expect as an analysis of that post and why you'd townread it. I just didn't like how long I had to wait for the actual reasoning considering I asked about it at least once on Day 1.

I just reorganized the readlist today based on how town I read them and it looks interesting.

---------Town-------------------------------------
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) - Pie was so happy that we didn't die n1 because we were gonna be angry if that happened.
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) - Tammytown with a spice of MOE.
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) - I'm just gonna call this slot town. I can do that. Right? I mean, I didn't read majority of their posts, but I'm still allowed to do that, right?
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) -

Miller is automatically town

The way he claimed miller, his transparency in neighbor QT, etc.
11 Lord Business - Confirmed town
17 Mac - Confirmed town
------Leaning Town--------------------------------
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) - Just gonna call them town and not gonna worry about them til like D4.
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) -

because my neighbor said so

I think his reachout post were pretty town
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) - BRO is town.
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) - Not an obvtown. But still town.
4 orcinus_theoriginal - I didn't really read his post. I've been planning to do some stuff on him but I got lazy. For now, he can stay here for the role.
------More like nulls-----------------------------
14 Cupcake Panda - ppl says he's town for lurking. But I'm just gonna put him here
15 PeregrineV - More like "I didn't sort him yet".
------Leftovers I guess---------------------------
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha) - Dead. Def not killed by scum. He's here for being an leftover.
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK) -
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) - This slot is probably gonna move up if someone not in this group flips scum.
16 Clyton - Leftover

-Luciana

This is definitely a GiF post, but I want Pie's reads/reasoning (mostly because you don't really give it out).

They lack charisma

I think I'm more charismatic when I'm scum.

I also skipped straight to our hydra in this list because I'm conceited and your post was long/irrelevant.

Why can't mastin post like me

Because long posts insinuate effort and helps him hide behind the mist he likes to spread as scum (also because a lot of people don't like to read through his walls). I largely skim them and look for whatever points seem important.

I will lynch one of: mastin, ap, desbro

Strike first, strike hard, no mercy sir

(This also applies to kagura holy fuck have they done anything town yet! Geeze)

I tend to find that when you're town, you hold similar sentiments to me. And although I held these sentiments at the end of Day 1, I'm feeling very tepid on Despbro (and actually leaning more town on them based on recent posting) and I don't think AP is the lynch for today (I wouldn't oppose it and might even join it, but I'm not convinced he's scum).

I would not miss Kagura. Or PV. Or Clyton. Or Cupcake. Maybe some others. Still need to do that reread. I might miss Mastin, but I wouldn't miss his walls.

*I also just rememberd that you're a hydra and I'm not entirely sure who's posting what.

I think there are a few significant differences from what you posted in Anything Goes, especially you didn't say much about Brian Skies being a threat here while you held him in high regard there.

I think my reputation was still riding high on getting DGB lynched in Jake's game, which carried over into Anything Goes. My play as a whole has been slipping though.

Clyton and I claimed to each other.

Is this what people do in neighborhoods these days?

Pretty sure I just burned Desp for that as scum recently (granted, I had already pretty much figured out his role before he claimed, but me claiming to him was pure unadulterated evil).

Bork didn't post a reads-list but he seemed to lean town on RedGyarados.

This I find a little odd considering how Viscon (will be linked later) played out. Especially considering both heads of our hydra were scum and we lurked it out.

I want notscience/brian skies to do something so I can stop being worried about them. I thought they were going to start doing stuff this weekend, but that fizzled.

I was going to do stuff but then my other head started walling me in a game that already had too many walls. My attention also drifted elsewhere and I was trying to close out my two scumgames that just completed recently (and recovering from the overload I placed on myself).

Hi! Cabd game, there's more to it than x is a town role.

I've been a scum self-governor, and mattp was a scum self governor in Baltomeet.

Is it sad that the person everyone else is calling obvtown is basically agreeing with nearly everything I'm saying and yet they obvtown her yet are voting me?

Agreeing with somebody doesn't make them town. I've had scum buddy my own thoughts. I've also agreed with scum's line of thinking.

*I actually started this post over 4 hours ago. All I've been reading is Day 2 content. In case you're wondering how slow my reading pace is (and I've even been skimming/skipping some of Mastin's walls).

*Will read CF's wall explaining JSU read later. Don't really want to though because I'm not going to be trying to lynch that slot in the foreseeable future.

I am trying to bridge a communication gap between two players that I am 99% certain are town and it is based on the certainty of my townreads there.

Not really of relevance, but did you know that people who claim they are 99% sure of something actually tend to be wrong more often than not?

Still thinking Tammy's town though.

*CF walls are the ugliest things I've ever seen and make me want to shoot myself whenever I come across them. Not that they're bad in any way, just that I know they will require focused reading and deeper levels of thinking. With that said, I'm stopping at the middle of page 165 because you guys are posting relatively quickly and I'm tired of reading right now. Spoilering all of this because it's probably really long.

For ffery/Falcon (both of them are recently completed scumgames):
Viscon Crossroads
Shitty Joke Smalltown Mafia

[Red Gyarados]

He also tried to wagon me and I claimed before it got a huge amount of traction. But I think hes scum on that or someone who sheeped it fast was. Would have to look.

I don't remember the details of your wagon or how it built up (other than lol mastin), but I do remember you claiming when it started to build a huge head of steam.

Regarding motivation, I was referring to the hydra you replaced.

I think the mastin trajectory looks legit from him.

I've generally liked Orci this game and I thought the way he handled the Day 1 lynch was pretty townish. The person he chose to enter the cagefight was Ffery, someone who typically townreads first and doesn't look for blood right away. It's the perfect person to throw in there if you're looking for a lurker lynch or no lynch, especially if your goal is to sort people.

Notty's issue is the lack of reads/trajectories Day 1, as well as the people he chose to go into the cagefight. While I can see an issue with the former, the latter isn't something I agree with.

Regarding Mastin, I've been skimming it, but I've gotten some small townvibes from it and will have to look at it again later. Both Notty and I are actively avoiding doing any heavy analysis of Mastin and I think we're waiting for the other to cave in first. Chances are I'll end up being the one to take a good look at him.

Not that Im aware of. Bork did not seem to know that I had (although can easily be scum faking) and indicated that he had reason to -know- that I was roleblocked. Actually I still want to clarify that with Nacho cause he sort of dodged me bringing that topic up.

I'm really curious about this because I'm pretty sure you heavily implied that both of you should be aware of your 'investigative action.'

Is it just us in the hypothetical neighborhood? I'd still like that regardless.

Probably. Lord Business was also Tales of Hearts, but he gave up the no lynch like an idiot. At most I think there would be one or two more? A possible 5 person neighborhood is pretty crazy but the Tales of Xillia one was really small.

Because Bork explicitly said something about me not receiving a result was consistent with his knowledge of the game state.

I.e. I think they could be a Mafia Ascetic or something and I was allowed to target them BECAUSE it would cause my role to fail and potentially make them look town in the process.

I remember seeing this part and not being sure what he meant. Kind of hard to tell with the limited information we have as there are a lot of possibilities as to what happened last night (with Mac being a rolestopping bodyguard and all).

Brian - it doesn't matter if scum know what or where I am right now. Claiming had a potential upside and very little downside if he was scum as well.

Okay. It wasn't alignment indicative for me, I just thought it was weird. You two also have a QT all to yourselves, so it's no different from if it were a designed two-person neighborhood, in my opinion. And I'm also pretty sure the next time I claim to Desp in a neighborhood unprompted, he's going to tunnel the shit out of me.

Also - I'm not town reading desp ro or ap, but I wouldn't really lynch either today, I guess anyway. I don't even remember making that post but the karate kid quote suggests wine was involved :p

Tbqh, I don't even know if you made that post to begin with. And I don't know what Karate Kid quote you're referring to. I don't quote movies so it can't be me.

I thought I did answer it sometime on day 1 but maybe not.

You coughed my direction a couple times in that wall. Did I miss other questions?

I don't think you did? Maybe. I don't remember.

And I don't remember if I asked you anything else. I just remembered that specific question and singled you out because I confronted Beli about it and I thought he'd point it out for you.

I'll continue my catch-up after I get home. It should be sometime tonight. A full reread isn't happening anytime soon.

[Red Gyarados]

I'll spoiler this one too I guess.

Spoiler:

I went back and crossed CF's earlier reasoning for thinking PV is town with PV's iso and I can see why CF is townreading the slot (particularly not being useless, trying to be useful in a game filled with noise, following up with the questions he asks, and trying to sort out his reads that have clearly gone against the grain). Although it does seem weird for a player to take a hard analytical look at a slot like PV's like this, this is exactly something I'd expect from Falcon after the micro I played with him (where he was arguably hard townreading the two lynchbait that game). It does strike some interest for both of them to be townreading each other early on (especially if one of them is scum), but it's highly likely that they're just both townreading each other (and this is what I'm leaning towards right now). I also really liked PV's interactions with Beliffery on page 165. It's like he completely disagrees with Ffery's current approach and wants her to be more productive in chasing down scumreads (and it's a sentiment I share with him). I also liked him expressing his concerns about the Xillia neighborhood not progressing as he'd hoped and dropping them both out of his townreads.

@PV: What are your thoughts about the people in the first neighborhood? I remember you asking who was in it but I don't remember what your reads looked like (other than CF probably being town).

*Apparently Nacho replaced his hydra slot. I'm not letting Notty replace out. I'm dragging him to the end with me. I also need to go back and look at Bork's posting because I don't remember anything that leaped out as being super obvtown to me.

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
4 orcinus_theoriginal
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
15 PeregrineV

*grumble, grumble*
The name of the six change, that I have six does not. Realized that I eliminated Red Gyarados a bit hastily. I have reasons for thinking they're town and reasons for thinking they might be scum, thus their presence. Still trying to figure it out, but that might be a bit more spam than needed, 'specially since working on the Ballad of Tales will help with this and people responding to things I've said can probably already help on that front.

I might be getting distracted by the shiney in eliminating Fox/Hound here and having my vote on Nacho (and if so, zMuff/Nati, I do apologize), but this is something that I need to pursue right here and now to figure out. It can't wait.

If you're town then two of those reads are absolutely bad. Two others are iffy.

I'm assuming the absolutely bad one is yours (Orci is either bad/iffy). Which two are the ones you agree with? I'm assuming one is Kagura but what's the other one? AP?

...Which you might think is casting suspicion onto you. And vaguely it is, but I'm also not discarding the possibility of Red Gyarados being scum, for a very specific ~reason~ that I'm really not sure if I should elaborate on or not.

Elaborate. I want to know. Especially since it's a very specific reason.

A scum-you? Is full of misreps and snark. Starts out strongly and slowly lets the cracks show.

Where has he misrepped anyone?

I'm actually pretty weirded out over the concern about my neighborhood though the other neighborhood is of no concern, especially since "we were town reads" supposedly. If pere is scum there is more than op likely scum in that neighborhood.

He actually expressed concern over the first neighborhood first, trying to verify who was in it, etc. He really hasn't pushed them further than that though, but JSU and CF have been fairly active outside of the neighborhood for a while now.

I think he did town slip though. We don't have a quick topic for our neighborhood, but the answer he have me about Clyton thinking that we had a lurker was for a quick topic. On the assumption that cabd is using ms private topics for everything, pere giving me that answer thinking I was in a quick topic means it's likely he's not in one because then he would have known that you can't just look at unique views and why I didn't understand why he thought there was a lurker. So, if a member of the scum team could verify if you have a quick topic that would be very helpful thanks!

I don't know what any of this means, especially with regards to PV's alignment.

CF kind of clears it up later and I've already used the private topics. It's just meh. I'll think on it but it doesn't really affect my read on PV in any way.

Uhg.

This is a really stupid, impulsive thing to do. Massively anti-town. But I keep on thinking things through, and I see AP/PV/Nacho as viable, but not so sure about it being Stalin or orc. And the best idea I'd have for a fourth given that would be Red Gyarados. Yet the only way I can properly explain that is by explaining exactly what I feel about them, why I think that they're quite possibly scum, in a lolCabd game. Guh. I've gone this far with it, so fuck it, I'm going to explain it, anti-townness be damned, because it shows where I've been coming from on them.

Red Gyarados 'crumbed vig D1. I actually didn't catch it--Rancid did. They warned Rancid not to gladiate DesBRO, and that an attempt to would never go through. Vig being a guess for their role is basically one of the only reasons I'm considering that Rancid could have been vigged. But I also think about their role, and that, well...they might have had a dayshot, perhaps multiple, because SOMEHOW, they knew my claim before I had made it. Brian Skies (I think) said I was a "mafia treestump" WELL before I had claimed. My vote being disabled was known; that I was bulletproof was not. So I put two and two together, of them being a vig who shot me during the day, and could shoot Rancid during the night.

Should be a townclaim, of course. But I keep on looking at the kills N1, and I keep on thinking again and again that they both look like scum. And a scum vig? (Especially limited shots.) Is exactly the kind of thing I can see Cabd putting into the game, because people aren't going to think scum can control two kills during the night. That's why they've been going in and out of my scum list a lot. Because I've been thinking about what they likely have done and did last night, and also thinking about the targets last night and what they flipped and why they were like that. Because if Red Gyarados was a town vig, vigging Rancid...why would Rancid be the one janned?

Basically, my head's been going over it all day. And I know that revealing this is massively stupid, but I really need to say it all the same. I've ultimately been trying to read Red Gyarados not off of what I've speculated their role to be, but off of their play, yet even then...it's iffy. I simply...don't know for sure, yet this massive possibility has been such that I simply can't let it go unsaid.

Okay, first of all, where the hell did we crumb vig? I don't remember ever doing it because I'm not a vig. Also, why would I shoot someone I was townreading yesterday?

Secondly, me calling you a 'mafia treestump' was a joke. Your vote was crossed off and in red. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you're essentially a treestump at that point in time.

Finally, why are you insinuating that I shot you when I'm pretty sure you heavily implied that you activated it yourself (maybe, I'd have to check up on that)?

how do you know rancid caught their VIG crumb?

Because after they made the threat, Rancid essentially went, "Duly noted". I'd have to track down the exact spot in their iso, but it basically went,
"We're gladiating DespBRO."
"You try that, you're never going to get it through."
"...Duly noted."
(And me, after that, going, "...Oh." Silently. Since I of course wasn't going to highlight that I caught it.)

I actually have no idea what you're talking about here and would need it to be pointed out for me. Also, I remember Kagura opposing the gladiate pretty heavily and am wondering if you have me confused with him.

oh hi there mastin I bet there are two scum in the Abysm, wanna guess who?

It's probably not GiF, and if you even think about trying to lynch that slot you're not making it to Night 1.

Unlike muffin, I like PV because he's easy to figure out the alignment of, you just have to wait til day four.

By then if he's town, a vig might just shoot him.

Found it! I think, anyway.

Apparently, I misremembered and Rancid didn't point it out, but *I* certainly noticed it. I dunno if it was here or earlier, butyeah. I saw a vig-'crumb, and townned them for it.

The first part doesn't imply anything about me being a vig because I said he wouldn't make it to Night 1 (unless you think I was crumbing Dayvig). I was actually implying that I wouldn't just join his wagon, I'd push it.

The second part is me making a slight at my other hydra head's play in Street Racers (where he shot PV and PV was the town cop).

fery: we could 1v1 mastin/ap today

Mastin/Kagura. Make it happen.

This post is terrifying inside my head.

Holy shit.

Like, I can't even.

I haven't read it, but I'm aware of what Falcon is capable of as a player (he meta-dove me pretty successfully in the micro I played with him even though we were butting heads the entire time). But I thought meta-diving is something he's able to replicate as scum?

Look less at the content and more at what he's actually trying to do.

Open the mailbox. Pray there's not an explosive device in it.

For myself, I'm willing to lynch Mastin come deadline.

Not surprised by this considering he's been your only scumread since who knows how long.

And you're not even voting him.

I feel really similar to ffery to be fair. I mean theoretically I should be reading mastin's posts closely/interacting with her so I can either decide that I agree with Ceph's recent town thoughts about her or confirm my scumread so I can better discuss the read with Ceph, but am I actually going to do that? I don't think so.

I think with mastin it's gotten to the point (at least in my mind) where there's just SO MUCH posting and a lot of it to me feels like what I would expect from scum, but a lot of it also feels like it could be from town and makes me doubt my read. Being my almost-zero-confidence self I don't know whether or not I should be trusting that, and with all the conflicting content, trying to figure out whether it's scum faking town-ness but slipping up at times, or just me calling things scummy that aren't, has become such a chore that I'm pretty done with it myself. Obviously the confidence thing doesn't apply to everyone, but not really being up to interacting with Mastin is completely understandable imo and I think some of the above may be reasons for others as well.

Ceph has other obligations at the moment and I won't push a vote without him unless I feel that it becomes necessary, but where I am at is that I have a legitimate scumread on Cupcake which I'd probably be more ok with lynching now than I was when I voted, but I'd also be quite willing to lynch Mastin. Obviously Ceph thinks Mastin's town though and I haven't heard back from him about the former so I don't know where we'll end up.

Notty thinks you're extremely town in your interactions with RBD/Mastin, but I really don't like your waffling and refusal to move the game forward in a meaningful way.

And I'm pretty sure most of your contributions today thus far has been 'I think Mastin could be town' or 'I think Mastin could be scum.' What do your other reads look like?

UNVOTE:

I like this unvote but I'm sticking to the Kagura wagon.

AtE won't save him from Red Gyarados' bloodlust this time.

Why did you flop onto Nacho despite them being confirmed-would-game-throw levels of town?

? I don't understand this statement.

Are you referring to his earlier reads? If so, I'll need to go back and take a look at how his read flopped.

Lets not cut corners. Scum drop fake towntells all the time

Do you think Mastin has been trying to drop fake towntells in this game? I can think of at least two instances off the top of my head where this could have occurred in the game thread.

You can see # of unique views at the bottom.

?

Anyone who calls F-16 town is either scum or in my "ignore this" book for the rest of the game.

DUDE. Can we compromise on F16 today please?

No? And I don't like where you're going with that typo.

It looks from these two pages like PV is scum.

...are you literally posting an iso of mine from two freaking years ago to use as meta.

Are you? Are you serious?

You're asking me stupid questions that are already answered or are such common freaking sense I have no idea why you ask them. I also have no freaking idea why I'm continuing to engage with you because conversations with you go nowhere because you either have no ability or actual desire to see where someone else is coming from that it's like talking to a brick wall. Do you remember our discussion in the Board Game? You know the role fishing one? Where I explained our thought process and motivation a million times and you still didn't get it. OH and hey guess what Porkens did misinterpret his role information which is what we were trying to solidify.

NO WAIT SERIOUSLY ARE YOU POSTING TWO YEAR OLD META AS YOUR BASIS FOR READING ME WHEN THE BOARD GAME GAME IS LESS THAN A MONTH OLD AND I'M ACTUALLY MORE ENGAGED IN THIS GAME THAN IN THAT OTHER GAME THAT JUST ENDED AND YOU'RE POSTING TWO YEAR OLD META.

Hmmmm? He could be. Tammy, on the other hand, looks pretty town in their interactions.

Also, 2-year old meta is really cold meta (I don't even like meta that much to begin with because I don't know how to use it).

*Fighting urge to sheep Nacho. It's really hard and I do it every game (even when I'm scumreading him) and I'll need to consult with my other head because I still think he could be scum.

But hey play to your Cassandra hilt all you want. Everybody else in the game can see the damned obvious that I'm town but no you're probably right I'm probably scum because my neighborhood's been a little inactive, though we have discussed some things when we have time, and I claimed to someone when I didn't have a full town read on them.

Where the fuck has Clyton been? He seems to have completely disappeared since getting his neighborhood. It's skeevy.

Belisarius: What is your read on Brian Skies and why? Have you talked about it with Ffery at all?

Between the two heads, why am I the one being singled out? Also, I want an opinion from you since you're the one who brought it up.

I still have less than zero thoughts on Panda's alignment.

Neither Notty nor I have anything to say about Cupcake's alignment. Notty just finds it weird that he's not getting sorted when he supposedly has 'black/white' meta. Neither of us know how to read him though and he hasn't been contributing anything towards a town wincon (and seems pretty proud about it).

Yes and if you read Anytihng Goes, or any mastin game, you'd know that the odds of mastin bussing me to hell and back with us being scum/scum are reallllly low, bordering on not happening ever.

Mastin is a self-admitted player who says she changes up her meta semi-frequently. She also said the same thing about you.

Also, Mastin was trying to get you lynched pretty hard in Anything Goes and you scumread her and accused her of spreading smoke. Do you think Mastin as town would be that wrong at reading you this game?

I very rarely town block. Very rarely.

Oh really? Neither do I. But I was completely planning on filling out Cabd's application to join a townblock with you in Empire's Large before I replaced out (and I had planned on doing it within the first 25 pages or so). I'm kind of sad to know that it would never have worked out for me.

Their whole aura. Especially how they're treating me.

I'm actually extremely bugged about this and don't know if I've expressed it yet. But somebody in your group needs to die.

I've reached the top of page 175. I'm extremely pleased with myself and will now be rewarding myself by proceeding to not give a shit about this game for the next 12 or so hours.

[Red Gyarados]

Three's a charm.

Spoiler:

I strongly doubt Mac could have been killed from anything other than scum

This pretty much sums up my thoughts about the N1 kills. I don't think Mac was being scumread by anyone in this playerslist (and was actually being townread by a fair handful of players). So I still think he was either directly or indirectly killed by the scumteam.

*Mastin/Bro are talking in circles around each other and I just want one of them to flip.

I felt Mastin's initial attack on me was incredibly manipulative and scummy and that feeling still hasn't gone away but I am not as sure as I was before.

Are you referencing the 'rage-posting'? Because I remember that and I was townreading you/scumreading Mastin from those interactions. I may or may not have mentioned them somewhere earlier in thread (but I'm pretty sure I had you above Mastin/RBD in terms of reads early on and Notty may/may not have opposed it; he also opposed my Mac townread for w/e reason that is unknown to me).

I'm really curious about this because I'm pretty sure you heavily implied that both of you should be aware of your 'investigative action.'

If I did, it was only because I was still defaulting to thinking they were scum and would therefore know.

AP: Your (Actual, no BS) investigate target in your next post with the result you got.

You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.

Pretty sure this is a heavy implication that both of you should be aware of your investigation result.

Declaration of 1v1

I don't care. I'm still voting you and contemplating moving my vote.

*Nothing about this Nacho/Mastin 1v1 tells me either (or both) of them are town.

*I'm still confused about AP/Mastin because despite Mastin continuing the tunneling and trying to lynch AP, AP still seems determined to defend that slot.

JSU have been more active since their slow entrance into the thread and have been increasingly vocal and active as time goes by. I do think that some of their intermediate thought processes and read progressions are hidden in the neighborhood but the trend has been towards more openness. I think more than AP's replacement, it was Rancid's response to their vote on them that spurred them into action.

I don't remember the vote and will have to check up on that in the near future.

Regarding their slow start, they lacked transparency in the thread and may or may not have been almost entirely hidden in the neighborhood. I wouldn't call being voted at that point in time for lack of presence/transparency to be unfair. I also didn't like Bro suddenly perking his head up when AP came into the thread and townreading AP for doing something EXACTLY the same way he did in another game (and this was something I was in complete agreement with RBD early on). The frustration at getting suspected for supposedly "townreading AP correctly" also pinged me in a bad way.

You say GiF/Pie and Bro/Desp have been incredibly town in your neighborhood, but the vast majority of it hasn't bled into the thread. So don't be surprised when people refuse to accept their towniness when all we have is your word for it.

Do you think that his showing up near deadline makes him town or scum? Can you clarify this? I think in more recent games, Nacho has been whiteknighting townies a lot towards deadline. For instance in NY169 (I think this happened after you replaced out), he spent quite a bit of time defending both me and Varsoon-Mac hydra and then left and the deadline lynch was decided by the people who were online a few hours before deadline.

The timing is an okay reason to suspect him, but it's not really a factor. I think the important point is the wagons he tends to push. When he's town, he might push bad wagons, but there's a methodical approach to it and you can see the town motivation to it. As scum, he's not really looking to determine alignments and it's mostly because he thinks he can push the wagon (see BJC in PYP) or he has no choice but to push it (see Sakura Hana in 169). Also, Sakura Hana seems to be the designated scum mislynch target for a small handful of players in this playerslist (as well as the mod). Also, about 90% of 169 still remains unread for me and I was only following what my replacement was doing and the last one or two days of the game.

Going back towards the Orci lynch, what was the town motivation in pushing that? How would his lynch have benefited town (with the exception of Orci not being a self-governing gladiator and flipping scum)? At best it was a supposed feel-good lynch that avoided resolving the major issues in the game thread at hand and wouldn't have even served as a useful information lynch.

I was townreading Pie for the same reasons and the read going stale is reasonable. BUT, he's still been town-town-town in the neighborhood so I guess you should just wait for him to return.

Whatever. He's going to have to come out of the neighborhood at some point. Kind of hard to trust somebody who's spending most of his time hiding behind a neighborhood QT.

I agree. I was scumreading Mastin at that time and I thought AP's reaction felt off which led me to think they might both be scum.

It's one of the great unsolved mysteries of this game. And their interactions with each other feel really weird for two players who supposedly are able to read each other really well.

What specifically? I had the opposite reaction to most of their posts.

It's hard to go back and point a lot of it out because it requires effort I'm not interested in putting into this game (and I don't remember a lot of Day 1). But to summarize, I greatly disliked Mastin's initial post against you for supposedly 'rage-posting.' It didn't look that way at all. I thought there was some merit to you trying to buddy up to Tammy. I also agreed with RBD about Bro's initial townread on AP being halfassed and bad. I also didn't like the lack of transparency from JSU early on and suddenly perking up when AP came around (apparently there was a neighborhood). I also shared the same sentiments about the Fox being skeevy for just pushing people and wondering why they weren't being townread by a lot of players early on when they haven't really contributed much up to that point. For the most part, I was reading Day 1 pretty loosely, skipping/skimming posts, and just picking sides and running with them.

Also, you were being scumread by at least one of them (while the other just backed up the attack), so there's completely different perspectives between us (with me having an outsider POV).

Also, can you please get those Notty walls in thread. I'd love to see where you guys are at.

His walls are largely just him marking down whenever somebody's read changes and making an opinion on it (as well as whatever thoughts he has about the slot). He hasn't done anything since the first 5 isos and I don't really know what he's been up to recently (probably having a life, chasing girls, trying not to fail classes, milking me for all I'm worth). I've just been on autopilot. And I've been handwaving his walls for now because my opinions on trajectories is that there's a lot more to read progression than just looking at where somebody's read changes and for me to go back and look at each trajectory would require me to reread Day 1, which is something I've been dreading for a while now.

I've also been basically summarizing his thoughts in my recent walls. And I think you just want the main points anyways.

Give me specifics on what you want details on. There's about 20 pages in there. I explained my read on BRO-Desp read in that wall. I am actually unsure about my read on Nacho-Bork and they haven't posted a lot in there. It is mostly me, BRO-Desp, and PieInFreezer.

It's hard to pinpoint specifics because I don't really know what to look for. But having three slots from that neighborhood not posting a whole lot outside of the neighborhood (or inside the neighborhood for Nacho's case) pretty much leaves me in the dark when I can't see what you guys are talking about. I think the biggest thing is just seeing reads and reasoning for now. Other than that I'm pretty much forced to read you and decide whether or not I want to trust your reads on them.

Also, you seemed to disagree with Mastin quite a bit in your wall. How does that affect your read on him?

I think I disagreed with him a lot mostly based on minor non-alignment indicative stuff. My main issues with him is the circlejerk he keeps doing with other players in the thread (especially AP) and I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him. As far as scumreading him goes, I'm not and I don't know what to look for.

-Nacho is town and I'll never support anything resembling a lynch on him

This needs to be explained.

-mastin has spent this entire game day calling AP scum but he keeps looking for excuses to get off the wagon or vote someone else. personally I think this points towards mastin x AP team, but it could also make sense as mastin scum not wanting to antagonize AP town

I agree with you that this could be a MastinxAP team. A weird one, but it could be.

I'd pay cash money for a vig shot on mastin right now just to stop all the fucking posts

Well, I'd love to help you out and take your cash money, but I'm not a vig and this lunatic over here thought I was for some reason.

I found two

-mastin has spent this entire game day calling AP scum but he keeps looking for excuses to get off the wagon or vote someone else. personally I think this points towards mastin x AP team, but it could also make sense as mastin scum not wanting to antagonize AP town
-mastin has literally ACKNLOWLEDGED she's been flooding the thread with bullshit and her response to that is? continue flooding the thread with bullshit. sounds legit

-Y

I'm pretty sure everyone who thinks Mastin is scum is right here with these points.

I think everyone is here with these two points regardless of what they're reading Mastin.

I made you paranoid when i said I thought you were my strongest town read didn't I? I figured it would.

Of all the people in this game, why is ffery your strongest townread?

He's not getting lynched today so it doesn't really matter right now anyway.

He's low priority but I wouldn't just handwave developing a read on him.

Pie said in the neighborhood that he was falling behind and would come back and push for more votes on Mastin if they stopped coming.

Day 2 is way slower and way less wall infested and headache inducing than Day 1 was (depending on whether or not you choose to read Mastin's walls). So how the hell is he falling behind?

Perhaps you can offer a word to CupcakePanda that if hydras aren't his thing, another player may be better suited for the position he currently occupies.

Why? I don't even know why he's complaining considering most of the hydrae are currently being dominated by one head.

I didn't like their push on me after claiming miller and later retraction

, the challenge to gladiate JSU, the response to Fox's Disney vote on them, and Nati's post to Tammy were wierd and the way he approached his read on her didn't make sense.

I remember the bolded part. It was unexpected and scummy but somebody called it trolling and made me unsure. The rest I'm quoting so I'll look at it again later.

Also gods I hated Peres interaction with ffery.

Why? Ffery's only scumread this game has been Mastin and she hasn't moved forward to push that with any conviction whatsoever to sort out the rest of her reads. It's been bugging me and PV pointing it out made me extremely happy. I also know what Ffery's like and my previous experience with her is the only thing holding me back.

but I do try to work with town reads.

Me too. At least until they try to defend what I'm killing because he thought he saw a pony fart out a rainbow.

No longer thinking he's scum, though.

Because...?

Kind of hard to take this at face value when your proposed scum-team includes me, Nacho, and AP together as a group.

Me? I dunno. Rancid? Because you threatened him.

A joke that happened to perfectly predict that I was a treestump.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. The votecount implied you were most likely a treestump and I associated an alignment with the color as a joke. How you even find this joke alignment indicative is beyond me.

My role's passive, not active.

Not something I would know. And even if you're telling the truth about your ability being passive, I wasn't the one who activated it.

Almost as

boring

as Brian's. Why do you spoiler your posts again?

Why don't you like Brian-posts? I thoughts they were

cool

.

They are kinda

cool

, yeah.

Just boring

This doesn't compute.

I spoiler my longer posts because scrolling through them later on is a hassle especially if people (namely me) aren't specifically looking for the content in my posts. I also tend to fill up a lot of my longer catch-up walls with useless filler content that I refuse to take out of my walls.

Also, contrary to whatever you think I'm here for, it's not to entertain you.

Also, you're reading my slot as town despite Notty and I expressing our everlasting desire to see you hang. I'm slightly amused. You also almost always townread me when you're scum (can't think of a time where you haven't) so I'm pretending I never saw it.

Also, his hesitance about BRO townreading me makes sense as well.

I was talking about PV. The neighborhood paranoia I have is a completely different beast altogether.

There are things that bother me about players, but nothing that I've gone aha that's scum!

What about my slot bothers you (aside from anything related to PV)?

GIFPie, DespBRO and Orcinus. Beli's actually more bet the farm about Orcinus than I was before we talked.

That's unexpected.

Really? The only one I find weird is DespBRO.

Do you think the nature of how the wagon formed says anything about Rancid's alignment?

I just think the wagon was a terrible fucking wagon. Who started that wagon anyways?

[Red Gyarados]

I found a lot of the previous pages rather underwhelming and I don't have an opinion about Tammy's breakdown on Canada replacing all their drunk-posters with square-dancers. I also had no idea Bro even had a breakdown this game. So that's news to me.

We have also passed 200 pages. Can we lynch someone before we hit 300?

You own your meta. Your meta doesn't own you.

What's meta?

For example, AA: MFA when you led the lynch on Brian, you were fairly obviously town.

Can we not talk about that game?

Starting on 175 with a bunch of temporally scattered thoughts thrown in all about, 'cause hell if I know when anything happened at this point.

I find it a little funny that you stopped your catch-up on the same page I stopped one of my catch-ups.

His references to NS seem real enough for me, but I'm confused as to why NS wasn't posting anything himself even when he was apparently more around than he is now.

I haven't talked to Notty in ages. Apparently he's been sick and I wasn't told about this.

This isn't really how you should look at things like this, and seems like an “I skimmed this” way of coming up with a solution to it.

That's because I skimmed it.

Pie's case was presented pretty succinctly. I'd like to hear you give a more careful response to 3695. It's not like there is a big wall here that is difficult to muddle through, and it feels a little bit like trying to avoid giving an opinion.

Regarding their slow start, they lacked transparency in the thread and may or may not have been almost entirely hidden in the neighborhood. I wouldn't call being voted at that point in time for lack of presence/transparency to be unfair. I also didn't like Bro suddenly perking his head up when AP came into the thread and townreading AP for doing something EXACTLY the same way he did in another game (and this was something I was in complete agreement with RBD early on). The frustration at getting suspected for supposedly "townreading AP correctly" also pinged me in a bad way.

It's hard to go back and point a lot of it out because it requires effort I'm not interested in putting into this game (and I don't remember a lot of Day 1). But to summarize, I greatly disliked Mastin's initial post against you for supposedly 'rage-posting.' It didn't look that way at all. I thought there was some merit to you trying to buddy up to Tammy. I also agreed with RBD about Bro's initial townread on AP being halfassed and bad. I also didn't like the lack of transparency from JSU early on and suddenly perking up when AP came around (apparently there was a neighborhood). I also shared the same sentiments about the Fox being skeevy for just pushing people and wondering why they weren't being townread by a lot of players early on when they haven't really contributed much up to that point. For the most part, I was reading Day 1 pretty loosely, skipping/skimming posts, and just picking sides and running with them.

Also, you were being scumread by at least one of them (while the other just backed up the attack), so there's completely different perspectives between us (with me having an outsider POV).

It's not really as simple as "I was in lockstep with this person" because I don't function that way. Reads are complicated.

Can't fathom why neither of you is just doing this.

His walls are largely just him marking down whenever somebody's read changes and making an opinion on it (as well as whatever thoughts he has about the slot). He hasn't done anything since the first 5 isos and I don't really know what he's been up to recently (probably having a life, chasing girls, trying not to fail classes, milking me for all I'm worth). I've just been on autopilot. And I've been handwaving his walls for now because my opinions on trajectories is that there's a lot more to read progression than just looking at where somebody's read changes and for me to go back and look at each trajectory would require me to reread Day 1, which is something I've been dreading for a while now.

I've also been basically summarizing his thoughts in my recent walls. And I think you just want the main points anyways.

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Your read on mastin is becoming increasingly opaque.

Just my Mastin read?

Do you think my reads are more likely to be nice and pretty and fleshed out if I were town or scum?

The aim of a scum me is to get a scum win as fast as possible. Generally, this involves minimal bussing, and also minimal spotlight on scum players. I may distance or even bus-vote a scum player (it's become a necessity with people wising up to my no-bussing meta), but I avoid making a spectacle out of it, because spectacles draw very-much-unwanted attention. I suppose you could sum it up with a single sentence:
The main driving factor of a scum Mastin is to place town players (not scum players) in the spotlight.

Why does this sound like the way I play scum?

I'm not saying it's impossible to run up a scum-me. I AM saying that (assuming I have the time to plan and execute a plan--which this game, I most certainfuckingly have) when a scuMastin is run up, it is done with design and intent. For instance, in Attack on Titan, I was the least-valuable scum player. I set things up so that ideally, we'd have a perfect win...but ALSO so that IF a scum player were to die, it'd be me...
...AND that it wouldn't incriminate either of my scumbuddies. My reads, their design, their whole orchestration (because my play as scum is a fucking artform), was such that I had painted a highly-favorable picture for the scumteam of that game.

And then I accidentally hammered you. And then I replaced out. And then my replacement won town the game.

Don't you love random unexpected variables?

What about this is something that Brian Skies wouldn't do as scum?

No idea. I could give you several reasons why this is my town game but that would take the fun out of it and I'd have to readjust my meta again.

Regarding the neighborhood and why des frustrated me so much last night. Apparently they're towning it up in the neighborhood and raising concerns there but not doing anything here and we're all just supposed to buy they're town from it. I think neighborhoods are wonderful and can really help people get reads on each other, but when you are in a neighborhood, you can focus on manipulating those people in the neighborhood. Your "mist" can be directed in a way it can't in the game thread because you're focusing on manipulating just a small set of people and when you're not posting in the thread it raises alarms. IF they're keeping up with the game, even if it's just to say that they're falling behind, why not post in the game too? Why stay in hiding. I can't see the obvtown towniness being displayed in the neighborhood and when it's not in the game thread too I'm not going to just buy it. You can get awesome reads in the neighborhood. In NY146, I realized that MOI was trying to manipulate me in the neighborhood in a way that pushed me towards the proper decision in lylo. Without that neighborhood and seeing his behavior in that context, I might have gotten it wrong. In The Wire, I was able to get a good town read on DV based on the way he claimed to us, and we made a pretty decent town case on him that unfortunately wasn't followed after we died, but DV was also posting in the game so we weren't like "take our words he's town". Incidentally I also claimed pretty early in that neighborhood even though I wasn't convinced of either DV or Kuribo being town at the time. /

And here, the inactivity in my neighborhood was matched by inactivity in the game thread. Neither of us are keeping things out of thread while being active in the neighborhood. Penguin and I have talked a little bit more since she replaced in but it's mostly been me giving her an update of the game and asking her to read a couple people and tell me what she thinks, and she's a bit paranoid (or acting paranoid >_>) because this is her fourth neighborhood this year and in each one of her neighborhoods there's been scum who've been able to manipulate her in that way. And in this one both falcon and nacho should understand where I'm coming from that people can manipulate people in neighborhoods, not only from Viscon but from Wicked as well as both nacho and falcon were able to manipulate people in the neighborhood and then that was used as a means of getting them town read by people who were suspicious of them beforehand.

I know exactly how you feel Tammy. And I share these feelings with you because I did hide in my neighborhood with Desp in Viscon: Crossroads and tried to manipulate him to some degree. And if I can do it, other people can do it as well.

Red Gyarados is the doubt factor.

Why am I the doubt factor? And I love how I'm in your proposed scum-team even though I've been championing the wagon you're sitting on since who knows when.

I don't really remember the last thing here happening.

This didn't happen? I coulda sworn PV's reads were really different from everybody else's.

Do it yourself?

Do what myself?

I'd like to note Brian Skies scumreading AP but not voting there, too. In fact, there's a lot of strange interactions between the three (four if you add in orc), and it's really looking like a scumteam.

Sorry. I can only bus one scumbuddy at a time.

Attack on Titan.

You know. Games where I was in control basically the whole fucking time. And again, what they all had in common? Is that I had zero to give the town, always working in the background to coordinate their downfall.

You didn't win this one though.

erm, should read hope for their sake mastin doesnt flip town

fingers =/= brain

I have no idea what you're implying here. Does Mastin flipping town not implicate me?

[Red Gyarados]

I'm leaning towards it.

And it's the only likely lynch.

[Red Gyarados]

This doesn't sound like a scum P_A catch-up. Maybe Clyton really was town and I was being paranoid for no reason.

Vote: MastinSSK

[Red Gyarados]

I kind of want my neighborhood right now.

@AP: It appears you weren't roleblocked this time. Weird that they'd let you look at Stalin.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm in the same one as AP.

I think the fox might want one as well. They're Symphonia?

[Red Gyarados]

I was definitely not role blocked.

I believe this because while you weren't roleblocked last night, I was.

I'm not expanding anything past me sending in a night action last night and being explicitly told my role failed.

[Red Gyarados]

Also, uhhhh, what's going on between CF and Tammy?

[Red Gyarados]

I was definitely not role blocked.

I believe this because while you weren't roleblocked last night, I was.

I'm not expanding anything past me sending in a night action last night and being explicitly told my role failed.

Then the game has (at least?) two blocking roles.

If AP is town and you're not a GF, then yes?

I mean, even if you're scum, could be. But I was definitely 100% roleblocked in some way.

[Red Gyarados]

Kinda skimmed the last couple of pages, but this made me lol:

Town: BWS, Tammy, PV (for claim; I'm assuming we'll get an explanation for the lack of shot timing issue)
Lean town: JSU, Cupcake (pending where he's going with all this capsrage)
Null: RG, F&H
Lean scum: magenta, AP, Nacho

Scum: CF

Town (Strongest->Weakest):

1 PeregrineV
2 Titan (Tammy + Ser Arthur Dane)
3 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon + Desperado)
4 Cupcake Panda
5 Breakfast With Stalin (Ffery + Beli)

Still to be sorted:

6 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies + notscience)
7 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir + DV)
8 MagentaTheGreat (Orcinus + Mara)
9 Nachomamma8

Scum (Strongest->Weakest):

10 AngryPidgeon

11 Penguin_alien

?

Am I the only one seeing this?

Will read everyone's bullshit later. I promise.

I want everyone to claim child/adult

child/adult

Yeah, you go ahead and think about that until I come back.

And I don't see Notty returning in the foreseeable future. But if he ever decides to come back and talk to me, that would be swell. On another note, I'm still pretty awestruck by the fact I was role-blocked.

[Red Gyarados]

Why is it, that every time I come back, something crazy happens?

Panda, why did you choose to delay a shitty claimed modified cop?

[Red Gyarados]

Alright, well, Stalin and I both claimed to have had interference with our roles. Stalin claimed to not have any limitations associated with hers, and mine doesn't have any either. I assume my role just fails in the same situations other non-modified roles would.

So unless there's a magic third interfering role, I think Panda is either on the losing end of this or we have two scum in JSU/AP.

[Red Gyarados]

Yeah but do we really believe that scum have more than one role blocker anyway?

Let's be serious here.

Both Beliffery/I got roleblocked. If there was a townblocker between the two, it was on me.

[Red Gyarados]

Yeah but do we really believe that scum have more than one role blocker anyway?

Let's be serious here.

Both Beliffery/I got roleblocked. If there was a townblocker between the two, it was on me.

But a town role blocker already flipped? Do you think there's more than one town blocker?

If there were more than one town role blocker and a scum blocker or two, I'd expect there to be another anti-roleblocker out there or for there not to be the limitation to my role that I have.

Look, Tammy, you're entering me into an arena I try to avoid will all my might because set-up speculation isn't my thing.

LB flipped persona roleblocker. I don't know what that means.

I know I got roleblocked last night because I went to extreme lengths asking Cabd how my role worked (plus he told me my role failed). I don't have any modifications that make me think the failed action is from my end. My target also didn't claim ascetic and what I've read thus far makes it seem my target isn't unless someone else is scum.

Beli claimed she was roleblocked but I don't have any knowledge of what her role is or how it works.

[Red Gyarados]

Yeah but do we really believe that scum have more than one role blocker anyway?

Let's be serious here.

Both Beliffery/I got roleblocked. If there was a townblocker between the two, it was on me.

But a town role blocker already flipped? Do you think there's more than one town blocker?

If there were more than one town role blocker and a scum blocker or two, I'd expect there to be another anti-roleblocker out there or for there not to be the limitation to my role that I have.

Look, Tammy, you're entering me into an arena I try to avoid will all my might because set-up speculation isn't my thing.

LB flipped persona roleblocker. I don't know what that means.

I know I got roleblocked last night because I went to extreme lengths asking Cabd how my role worked (plus he told me my role failed). I don't have any modifications that make me think the failed action is from my end. My target also didn't claim ascetic and what I've read thus far makes it seem my target isn't unless someone else is scum.

Beli claimed she was roleblocked but I don't have any knowledge of what her role is or how it works.

I may have also interpreted what you meant in your post.

I DO think the scumteam probably has a roleblocker. But what I was trying to say earlier that if there was a town roleblocker that it was probably on me last night. Can the scumteam have multiple roleblockers? I don't know.

[Red Gyarados]

Well in the arena, LB said he was a role blocker and I think the persona thing was what makes it possible for him to come back?

It's just that, I had to choose before the game for who would be unblock able. If there's more than one town role blocker or more than one scum role blocker then I would think I either wouldn't have my limitation, i.e. be able to change my target, or there would be another of me.

And no one else has come forward as being a town role blocker and one would think you would if there was the question about multiple role blocks.

But, if there are limitations to how roles work, IDK, that's getting into setup spec far far far too above my mafia grade, so yeah IDK.

LB is a "hyphenated" persona-roleblocker. If he were just a regular roleblocker, why not just put him down as that? I mean he could be just a regular roleblocker with a fancy name.

I also saw your claim. I'd assume the scumteam has some role to mirror your ability. It's also possible for the scumteam to have a double-rb. But this is all conjecture and why I don't like set-up spec in closed set-ups.

[Red Gyarados]

hi guys

your friendly neighborhood spiderman here

don't do drugs kids

I haven't read in 100 pages and I wasn't even fully caught up then

So

lucky meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Beliffery you have about 1 post to explain to me why you're on that terrible wagon before I decide I was wrong in my read on you

Nacho you have 0 posts because you're always scum

JSU gets 1 post too

In other news I think I'll shock everyone and

VOTE: nacho

I still feel confident in Fox and Hound town as well as Titan. I'll post the work I had done before rl decided I'm not allowed to have fun

[Red Gyarados]

btw the wagon is terrible because

1) Katsuki is selfvoting

2) Nacho is on it

(Disclaimer: If Nacho selfvotes and Katsuki votes nacho this does not apply)

[Red Gyarados]

snip

Let's get one thing clear

You do not mislynch town ns

You do not even suggest town ns is scum

You do not even suggest town ns is anything but 100% pure organic homegrown town

I flaked on the site because I had(ve) this mondo project that I've been working on. Only reason I'm here this weekend is because I had a draft submitted that I'm waiting to get back.

Also, I'm going to talk about the AP/Mastin dynamic from earlier in this thread later

[Red Gyarados]

ALso I think Brian said something about a clyton townread and I see that PA replaced him

so PA should come chat with me

Let's have a town tea party

It'll be

us

titan

pa

fox and hound

Beliffery/JSU depending on their reasoning

[Red Gyarados]

I'll try to be back for more but I'm not making any promises

Why are people letting AP and Nacho wagon someone vehemently scumreading the both of them

[Red Gyarados]

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)- scum
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)- town
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo- rip
4 Magenta_thegreat (mara and orci) 4 orcinus_theoriginal- HI MARA
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)- Not as town as me
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)- lol
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)- I can't think of a funny thing to put here
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)- On a really bad wagon
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)- bad birdie
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)- hm
11 Lord Business- oh lawdy lawd
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)- I'm not sheeping your current vote
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)- most town in the game without posting for 2/3 weeks like a bawss
14 Cupcake Panda- Getting wagoned for some reason
15 PeregrineV- Not getting wagoned for some reason
16 Penguin_Alien16 Clyton- HI PA
17 Mac- n cheese

[Red Gyarados]

Oh

Someone tell me what changed Nacho's read on Mastin after the bullshit he went on about D1 about mastin being his rock

[Red Gyarados]

Btw, this is me again being blatantly town so to those people who keep complaining about "reads going stale" can stop now. Anyone complaining about a read on me going stale is scumclaiming because we alllllllllllll know how

great

I am at faking townmeta as scum

pedit

YES OH MY GOD THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING OF

[Red Gyarados]

MARA AND PA ARE BOTH DISAPPOINTING ME BY THEIR LACK OF A TOWNREAD ON ME

pedit-

YES THAT PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE COMMENT WAS DIRECTED AT YOU

[Red Gyarados]

What were the EXACT claims

I remember AP had something about 3 people

I remember CF did something with neighborhood

[Red Gyarados]

Also I want to know why you didn't glance at our iso when I'm so blatantly easy to read (my words not PAs) and then you don't have to worry about us for the rest of the game

pedit-

My entrances are always amazing

I'm absolutely bugged that I'm a null read of hers

[Red Gyarados]

Dw though I'm town

You know that thing muffin says about going to the doctor because his shit was green

I was patient zero

pedit-

Okay, so.

1) Why did AP check ffery

2) How does delayer interact with Tracker?

3) Occams is yelling at me because it seems like AP's attempted to confirm nacho as town and bro is attempting to confirm AP as town and Idon't like it no I don't not one bit

pedit-

I knew our role failed already.

And 1 word to your roleblocker dilemma-

Asthetic.

Pedit

LETS TAKE A SHOT EVERY TIME SOMEONE TRIES TO CALL ME ANYTHING BUT TOWN

pedit-

No I don't have scum entrances. Scum me never enters the building so there isn't an entrance

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy what do you think of PA's null read on me

[Red Gyarados]

I actually do

and we all know why, ffery

pedit-

Hi there CF how are you

Brian was waiting for me to catchup so we could sync and that's when I got swamped

[Red Gyarados]

1) Ffery, scum ns is blatantly aware of his town meta but he can't seamlessly replicate it. It sounds clunky, it sounds disjointed, it just sounds yuck. Town ns is a shining beacon of hope and joy for all those around, everyone thinks "If only I could be as blatantly town as that htere fellow, then my life would be complete" and that shining beacon of hope was there on page 2 with me being blatantly transparent which we both know scum ns isn't

2) @CF, I'm not disclosing that until I've talked to brian. Will try to get it to you by tomrrow

3) Are you kidding me pa? I got townread there, yes. But seriously, that game was abyssmal for me-scum. If you want a good game look at Natigame or Cabd's first game

Also I don't even remember what micros I was in so you need to tell me what that one was

The townbleed here is the same blatantly transparent townbleed from Wicked

like what the hell

[Red Gyarados]

Ffery I'll be blunt

I'm egotistical

All I have in mafia is this one central thought

I'm damn good at being obvtown

My reads go hot and cold

My scumgame sucks

But when I'm town

I'm blatantly town.

So you try to pass off a read going stale on me?

Come on.

pedit-

TOCK TICK MARA

[Red Gyarados]

I can also stand to lynch mara for not inflating my ego about how town I am

[Red Gyarados]

Although I did see our role failed and the first thing that popped into my head was asthetic

[Red Gyarados]

Look at my games as scum

the only times I've pulled off town ns aggression was when I

a)bussed

or

b) Was a total prick and then swore off doing it again

Go look at my scumgames if you don't believe me

I can kinda town it up

But as scum I can only reach the townleans

pedit-

Who let the scumfuck in?

pedit-

Okay.

I have been posting the past few pages.

Let's forget for a second about my commenting about the stale thing.

Am I town?

[Red Gyarados]

was that the game that I played in with bert and didn't ever get to read?

Because that's what it's sounding like

And AP, nice try, but not buying it.

You can feel free to 1v1 me over it though, if you'd enjoy your grave a day early

[Red Gyarados]

Hey, Tammy.

How many teeth am I going to want drilled reading up on the thread?

I'm also going to now blatantly avoid anyone who isn't Tammy for the immediate future.

which of course is me, trying to avoid responding to the solid cases against me

The above is me taking away the case that would have been made against this post

as what that

and that

and that

....

pedit-

I swear to god if I posted once in that game PA it was on page 5. Bert might have been copying me, but I swear to fucking god I didn't do jack shit. Look at the timing of that vote. If it's in the gap of the past two weeks it wasn't fucking me so stop trying to say it was. You know that Bert was copying Mollie in Wicked. He's copied me before.

[Red Gyarados]

why the fuck am I getting into fights with people I like to play with

[Red Gyarados]

Look, PA.

I'm sorry.

I am really, truly, sorry.

But it did bug the shit out of me you weren't townreading me, and I do agree fully I should have read that game however I promise you (I don't think you'll believe me but I'm telling the truth) the last time I posted in that game was post 97. The rest of it was bert. I'm a shitty hydra partner, I get it. I get that we ended up voting a town tracker or whatever and it was bad and I should have been there the whole time trying to do shit but I wasn't and I can't change that.

All I want is to be townread because then I can actually start working shit out with you and Tammy and Fox because there's no way in hell I'm trusting nacho. GIF/pie are dead, natimuffin are dead. I want to sheep bro but that doesn't mean I'm not uberly paranoid of him.

I'm sorry I'm being really obstinate but I'm trying to come back in and do shit but my first and foremost goal in every game is to be townread and not being townread here just... yeah.

[Red Gyarados]

I can't even fucking apologize right

>.>

[Red Gyarados]

CF that post made me smile when I was seriously feeling down about this

thanks <3

Tammy my question about the teeth still stands

[Red Gyarados]

Waffleschool sounds better than faith school

faith school sounds like religious school

waffle school sounds like yum

[Red Gyarados]

I'll take the one at the top right please.

How rough is the read up, fox? Like, the tension atm is so thick I could cut it with a rubber ball. Is the read worse?

[Red Gyarados]

CF, lemme talk to Brian about the current state first please.

[Red Gyarados]

inb4 all asthetic scumteam

[Red Gyarados]

Titan stop letting him bait you into creating more meaningless bickering please

All it's doing is getting you annoyed to try and hinder your judgment

pedit

Bro what is my alignment

pedit2-

How many teeth will it feel like are being drilled reading up in the thread

pedit3- ...

[Red Gyarados]

Um

If the role fails when tracking scum

Then doesn't that mean if it fails you know you tracked scum

or did I miss something

[Red Gyarados]

DESP WHAT IS MY ALIGNMENT

and that makes sense k.

[Red Gyarados]

I might be able to read up tomorrow but that's not a definitive promise as it's mother's day. I'll try to.

pedit-

lol

pedit2-

Hey CF what do you think of the nks so far

[Red Gyarados]

there's scum hiding in the clusterfuck of dickwaggling btw

It's why people like Mac and RBD and PieGIF are dying, they aren't liable to go loco after someone like whats been going on here.

[Red Gyarados]

nope my goal is to be as deliberately antitown as possible to bait all the potshotting you all are directing at each other at me instead so shit actually gets done

pedit

Thanks AP it means a lot

[Red Gyarados]

This sure is a sentence that townies write.

This sure is a sentence that scumies write. Yep.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm going to bed

I'll be back tomorrow

utility lynch nacho

[Red Gyarados]

I lied goingto bed after this post

That's exactly what I thought regarding macdeath

[Red Gyarados]

Hey, Tammy

Can we chat

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: AP

btw

[Red Gyarados]

I know, I have knack for voting scumfucks

Of course, you could just be complimenting my vote because you think I'm actually town, no?

Yet you act as though I'm a moron town voting obvtown you while wait- I'm a scumread of yours

10/10

pedit-

Bring it on AP you won't get anywhere

TAMMY RESPOND TO ME

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy Desp is doing the same shit to you nacho did to me in Wicked

Not admitting you're town so you get so hung up in why the fuck they aren't saying you're town

pedit

TAMMY STOP ITS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO BAIT YOU INTO DOING

[Red Gyarados]

I WANT TO CHAT

Look at the past 2 day's lynches and who they were both scumreading.

Look who were pushing both wagons hard.

pedit-

lol ap

Lack of town motivated anything, yet the reason I'm not the highest townread on anyone's lists is from vanishing SITEWIDE, while being in the highest tier of most people when I was here

nt

ty

goodbye

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy talk to me about

King scumfuck

nacho

Are you townreading him

[Red Gyarados]

Ah, the baiting is real

pedit-

Not townreading anyone but me*

ftfy

I'm really bugged that he was pushing mastinlynch while not being on it as well as being one of the first few people on that abyssmal cupcake lynch yesterday

[Red Gyarados]

Nah, they aren't town

[Red Gyarados]

1) Well, mastin lynch was bad too. As was the RBD kill. You're reeally scummy

2) At least 2 of you are (you/JSU), rest just decided to leave their brain at the door

3) well let's see, Katsuki has flipped otwn and you haven't flipped. Who am I going to trust?

4) Because I hadn't actually read yet before the lynch happened, nor have I yet. I asked for time to talk to brian, and Katsuki got lynched before I even got on the site again

But nice try

[Red Gyarados]

Town
Titan- tammy
Beliffery- Their reaction regarding my entrance and demanding to be townread makes sense from town-perspective, I was told they'd put in a fair amount of effort and here I waltz in and demand a townread. Makes sense
PA- Venom and the catchup thing seemed town
Fox- It's in my wall that I have to figure out which googledrive it's saved under

Not town
AP-I think Katsuki was telling the truth
JSU- I think he's lying about clearing AP and I don't like how close and buddy buddy they've been
Nacho- nacho
CF- I don't like their thing yesterday about the lynch and not wanting to be on it
mara- needs to do something other than ask for peoples ages

not in the list is in the townlean zone

1) No, but I know something that you do know!

2) Nope, I'm pretty sure I mentioned yesterday how shitty the wagon was, but keep trying to misrep the thread!

3) I open up the opportunity for a shitty readsflip for you and you jump on it! How absolutely town motivated of you

[Red Gyarados]

Thanks PV

[Red Gyarados]

Because it's not a convenient wagon to push

[Red Gyarados]

lol

[Red Gyarados]

And now we see what they're trying to get at

Piss tammy off, call her stupid or not town, then give her a way to prove herself to be town to further your agenda

yawn

[Red Gyarados]

Where'd you guys formulate that plan?

Was it from Nacho?

Sounds like something he'd concoct

[Red Gyarados]

then give her a way to prove herself to be town to further your agenda

Thats why

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: JSU

btw

[Red Gyarados]

This was an OMGUS and sheeple vote

Just wanted to get that out there because otherwise scum would just have 1 weak reason to call me scum and now they have 2 !

[Red Gyarados]

Better help him lynch me rather than make empty threats about it if you want any chance to save him!

[Red Gyarados]

Nacho is scum too

But yes, both mastin and Katsuki'

Only thing that doesn't make sense is JSU's claim in that case

[Red Gyarados]

Because I have no idea where his read flip on mastin came from

His read not only flipped but he championed the mastin lynch while not voting mastin at all

He was on that shit katsuki wagon so there's some BoP in this (same with AP and JSU)

I also don't trust him at all so of course this all should be taken with several grains of salt

[Red Gyarados]

Because I have no idea where his read flip on mastin came from

His read not only flipped but he championed the mastin lynch while not voting mastin at all

He was on that shit katsuki wagon so there's some BoP in this (same with AP and JSU)

I also don't trust him at all so of course this all should be taken with several grains of salt

Okay, I agree. This was mostly what I was concerned about as well although I wouldn't say not voting Mastin was significant.

I'd say it is.

This was the person who was "his rock" and all that, and suddenly he starts championing herr lynch while not even voting her?

It's weird.

[Red Gyarados]

It's the end of my road for my scummy ass yet I see a total of 1 vote on my wagon?

Yep

You're right

And I'm sure you are but it's a nacho style plan for damned sure

Why am I scummy though/

Because I siteflaked?

Becasue I don't buy into you/AP/Nacho being town?

pedit-

lol, that's why you've been so scared to start a nacho wagon, amirite? And I'd love a bit of the wine in "I never make mistakes"

[Red Gyarados]

1) lol

2) I haven't spoken to anyone in ms in the two weeks I was MIA. You blame him? He was waiting to sync with me and I wasn't there to sync with him along with you all making page after page of incessant walls and potshots. So, nice try.

3) So much buddying, so little time. I don't remember why we voted him, might have been them lurkaderping and not doing anything. But sure! Try to use VCA in a cabd based game as a bullshit reason to push me while avoiding saying why things I've said come from scum ns. But oh course, this is just me hiding behind my hydra, so that's the excuse you'll use instead of saying why scum ns could either get the motivation to put up a ruse like this. Why scum ns decides the best way to approach this is to have his "buddy" nacho as scum insead of just saying he's not going to bother reading him at all.

pedit- yawn

[Red Gyarados]

It's only on a few people, granted

I was going down the playerlist and I hit mastin right as I went MIA

[Red Gyarados]

I did these because I wanted to see if I could follow a thought process that someone was having. They're mostly IIoA atm but there's patterns in there I'm looking for (such as tammy's waffling which is really evident up to where I had stopped doing it)

Trajectory of reads: Titan

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) Town as of 101 (no reason), scumlean in 543 (no reason), Town as of 801 (needed more nacho), townlean as of 955 , starting to get paranoid as of 1579, Decent townread as of 1712 (no reason), 1715 (a post felt town), scum as of 3295 (bussing orci)

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) Cephrir buddying as of 253 (no alignment given), town as of 664 (genuine sounding posts, no fake paranoia), town as of 678 (doesn’t see scum ceph), Decent townread as of 1712 (no reason)

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo Town as of 1323 (town feeling reachout)

4 orcinus_theoriginal Town as of 801 (no reason), town as of 3021 (feels different than vesperia)

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha) Unsure as of (328), townlean as of 801 (some good early posts), scum as of 2461 (avoiding the CC)

7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK) Not town as of 143 (OMGUS, misrepping thread), more reasons in 163 (Overexplanation, misrepping the therad, Saying he won’t trust nacho, fake reads), in 221 (Strong nachobork townread), Scum in 288 (not trying to figure her out), bunch of waffle in 716 (tammy thinks scum, but others all call town)

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) Town as of 680 (her prominence in the hydra, taking the lead), maybe town as of 801 (needed to see more), Decent townread as of 1712 (no reason), Decent townread as of 1712 (no reason)

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) Scumread as of 801 (no reason), reason in 1414 (Wooden posting), scum as of 2446 (no reason)

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) Scum as of 253 (terrible post), town as of 297 (but liable to change), still town as of 523 (pseudo-reachout), scumlean in 543 ( no reason), townlean in 801 (needed to see more), Decent townread as of 1712 (no reason), town as of 2377 (genuine post to ffery)

11 Lord Business scum as of 96 (horrid posts), town as of 542 (reads town)

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) Scum as of 106 (no reason), scum as of 684 (lurkaderping), scum as of 801 (no reason), reason in 878 (Both are lurking, but it’s a waffley read), scum as of 1101 (paranoia of them avoiding this game)

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) Town as of 53 (no reason), town as of 253 (ns looks townish), town as of 543 (no reason), town as of 801 (no reason), town as of 1712 (but forgot I was here)

14 Cupcake Panda Scumside as of 126 (caps), scumlean in 543 (no reason), not town as of 687 (Not doing anything), townlean as of 801 (no reason), Decent townread as of 1712 (no reason)

15 PeregrineV Not town as of 685 (shitposting/lurking)

16 Clyton Null as of 297 (waiting for post), town as of 337 (reads list), town as of 543 (no reason),Scum as of 1299 (then retracted. Townposting.) Town as of 1712

17 Mac Slight town as of 543 (no reason), strong town as of 1712 (would be surprised if flipped scum)

Evaluation- Lots of waffling, lots of reads based off meta.

I like the stance regarding nachobork.

This waffling is basically what tammy town does. There’s so much paranoia, so much transparency (even with some reads not getting reasons, those that do are so crystal clear it’s fantastic). The fact she’s going through the lengths for this game is a towntell as well.


The other few coming up after dinner

[Red Gyarados]

Trajectory of reads: Orcinus

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) Scum as of 511 (no reason), town as of 950 (no reason), town in 1000

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) Scum as of 930 (flashbacks to ceph-scum games), Ceph is scum in 1000

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) town as of (720), Town as of 1000 (no reason)

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)

7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) Town as of 511 (no reason), town as of 706 (how her reads interact with her partners), Tries to avoid explaining in 720, Confirmed town in 10000

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) Scum as of 714 (no reason)

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

11 Lord Business

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) Scum as of 1580 (Bro being diplomatic?)

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

14 Cupcake Panda

15 PeregrineV

16 Clyton Scum as of 739 (no reason)

17 Mac Scum as of 747 (shitsack useless mac=scum)

I don’t like Orc at all. Looking at the purpose for his skill choice- lurker lynch or no lynch. Doesn’t it make more sense to put someone like Cupcake, Peregrine, up against them? Or hell, doesn’t it make more sense to put a fucking scumread in there?

I don’t like how he hasn’t given reads on half the playerlist. I don’t like how the reads he has given, he’s given like no explanation
I don’t like how he’s trying to put off explaining his ffery read. It sounds like he’s doing it explicitly to not get caught in bullshit.

[Red Gyarados]

Trajectory of reads: Giffy/pie

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) Town as of 3120 (no reason), Town as of 3915 (Not worrying about til D4)

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) Town as of 1563 (no reason), Null as of 3120 (no reason), Town as of 3915 (Reach out post)

4 orcinus_theoriginal Scum as of 3120 (PoE), town as of 3915 (Role)

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) Town as of 1563 (no reason), Town as of 3120 (no reason), Town as of 3915 (tammytown with MOE)

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha) ), Town as of 1563 (Doublecheck?), scum as of 2654 for miller reaction, Scum as of 3120 (PoE, interactions with 7)

7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK) scum as of 1446 (sheeping), scum as of 1563 (no reason), scum as of 2662 (downplay towniness, strongarm lynch), Scum as of 3120 (PoE, interactions with 6)

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) Town as of 1563 (no reason), Null as of 3120 (no reason), Town as of 3915 (no reasoning)

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) Town as of 1234 (no reason), Town as of 1563 (Doublecheck?), Scum as of 3120 (PoE)

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) Town as of 1563 (no reason), Town as of 3120 (no reason), Town as of 3915 (miller claim)

11 Lord Business Town as of 903 (no reason)

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) Town as of 1563 (no reason), Town as of 3120 (no reason), town as of 3915 (BRO is town)

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) Scum as of 901 (Response to CF, Brian’s ost), Town as of 1563 (because of me (who was hardly here), Town as of 3120 (no reason), Town as of 3915 (no reason)

14 Cupcake Panda Town as of 1563 (sheeping), Null as of 3120 (no reason), Null as of 3915 (lurking)

15 PeregrineV Town as of 3120 (no reason), null as of 3915 (didn’t sort)

16 Clyton Town as of 1563 (no reason), Scum as of 3120 (PoE)

17 Mac Town as of 1563 (no reason), Town as of 3120 (if RBD is scum)

Trajectory thoughts-

It’s hard as fuck to follow what GIF’s thinking which bugs the shit out of me. That being said, I feel like that’s pie town when I see his thought process.

I don’t like how there’s a metric fuckton of non-reason’d reads and avoiding giving a reason for thinking someone is whatever when GIF posts.

There’s a lot of changing reads from town to scum, not so much the other way around. Dunno, feels weird.

[Red Gyarados]

Trajectory of Reads: TFATH

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) townread as of 797 (based on bork), paranoid as of 940, scum in 1532, affirmed in 1569 (nacho is talking around ceph), townlean in 2693 (I don’t get this trajectory) feels good about them being town (2960), listed in strongest townreads in 2984

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo Scum as of 1164 (no reason), town in 2690, pretty fucking town in 3723, highest town tier in 3890

4 orcinus_theoriginal Not town as of 784 (given time though), no opinion in 797, scum as of 1164 (no reason), disagrees with AP’s townread in 1575

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) Town as of 251, confirmed in 383, Tammy is obvtown in 1410, town in 2693, highest town tier in 3890

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha) scum as of 1164 (non-genuine reads, gladiator threat, nati showing emotion (scum meta)), potshot in 1232 (makes sense regarding read) town as of 1344 (meta), disagrees with AP’s townread in 1575, not scum w/ mastin 2676, claimed scum in 2693

7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK) Scum as of 171 (Hard to follow), confirmed in 215 for (scum hydra thought process), scum as of 383 (OMGUS), transparent, easy to follow waffling in 636, paranoia accusation in 1186, confirmed scum in 1315 (no trajectory regarding AP, not trying to convince others her scumread is right), not scum w/ rancid 2676

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) Town as of 415, confirmed in 474, again in 797, townread in 1769 based on beli wall, town in 2693, highest town tier in 3890

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) Not liking as of 794 (no reason), scum as of 804 for some heavy cogdis, dissolving as of 1103, scum in 1373 but no real trajectory, scum in 3563 for claiming a result

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) Town as of 383, opening post. Confirmed in 474, confirmed in 487, reaffirmed in 1410. Just under tammy tier. town in 2693, highest town tier in 3890

11 Lord Business Town as of 103, Light town as of 251, again in 797, probtown in 2693

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) similar reads to them in 1155, highest town tier in 3890

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) Town as of 34 (town meta), probtown
14 Cupcake Panda Closest thing to a scumread as of 252, didn’t vote. Not getting townier by 371.

15 PeregrineV no townfeels yet, but doesn’t mean scum (1603), probtown in 2693, (?),

16 Clyton Town as of 797 (spoke against CF’s read), confirm town in 2682, confirmed in 2693, highest town tier in 3890

17 Mac Light townread as of 251, again light townread in 797 (neeeds research), probtown in 2693 (still don’t know what research was)

Observations-

Early game trajectory is really clear. There’s a couple of strong townreads he has consistent, and there’s also waffling and OMGUS on several reads.

I don’t understand the PV trajectory.

I don’t understand trajectory from around post 2000 after but pre-then is really clear.

Cupcake trajectory makes sense.

Potshot in RBD made sense especially regarding their stance on them prior.

Clyton trajectory makes sense.

Most of my strong townread was on their early posting, when looked at, standed on its own. Like I could actually see what they were thinking

it was beautiful

[Red Gyarados]

no

tell your scumbuddies to call me town first

[Red Gyarados]

Don't you even fucking try to call me tht AP

I'm not here to bash anyone

I'm posting walls of stuff I had done weeks ago to try and get my mind around the current gamestate BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TOO

Unless, of course, you mean that I'm the scumteams next designated lynch, than sure!

[Red Gyarados]

Would you rather I play serious balls to the wall that lead to all the potshotting and everyone disengaging?

Because I wouldn't

And I'm going to need a bit more of, I don't know, something, before I come even close to a NULL read for you.

You know I'm not going to trust you until I see you flip or until someone I actually trust in this game gets an inno/extremely strong townread on you. >.>

pedit-

>.>

1) It's out of date because it was FROM WHEN I FIRST CAUGHT UP. It was going to be relevant to then but I didn't continue them

2) Congratz, I'm not good at analyzing data.

3) lol

4) ok.

[Red Gyarados]

Regardless of his alignment nacho knows I'm town

He knows he can't scumread me again as scum after wicked so the odds of him actually doing that is slim to none

pedit-

Tammy I need definitive pls ;-;

pedit2-

.-.

pedit3-

stop nacho

I'm not going to townread you

I'm not going to let wicked happen again

pedit4-

I don't know I just know I have no intention of getting burned by you again

[Red Gyarados]

1) It's not random collage, it's every time someone mentioned a read on someone else. I did it then to get reads. For instance, Tammy's repeated changing of her Nachobork read makes sense after that open game I cant remember the number for the me/her/nacho were in (from town perspective). Orc's ignoring half the playerlist and avoiding a ffery read was scummy etc)

2) I stand by Titan and Fox.

3) Catching up depends on when I have time to read/have caffeine of something to take the edge off of all the walls and potshots

pedit-

Nacho if you started scumreading me again as scum in this game with how blatantly town I've been I'd bet you money you'd be run into the ground the next day before you can say "I'm stoopid"

[Red Gyarados]

you do realize someone asked him to post what he had been working on right?

Yes but that doesn't fit the painting so it was omitted

[Red Gyarados]

I didn't say anything about passion so

[Red Gyarados]

I don't know I just know I have no intention of getting burned by you again

This is the game where you won't be burned, though.
I've been on a crazy scumgame streak against you and this is finally the first game where we're town together

Are bro and AP scum

because I really don't think they're both town

[Red Gyarados]

tammy do you think katsuki was telling the truth about targetting AP

[Red Gyarados]

Why are they both town

I really don't like the buddy buddy between them it feels awkward

[Red Gyarados]

I did

I felt like people were pulling a "disabled veteran read"

[Red Gyarados]

A "I don't want to have to try and be that guy who said that emotion could come from scum" read

Like, they don't want to offend by saying it was fake or something

So they just townread it and avoid talking about it

ya kno?

[Red Gyarados]

I was not going to be mislynched in wicked

I was too valuable to scum

[Red Gyarados]

we aren't lynching you sorz

obvtown doesn't get ml'd

[Red Gyarados]

no it won't be

[Red Gyarados]

nacho tell tammy we aren't lynching her

[Red Gyarados]

If BRO and AP are town who is scum then nacho

do you think katsuki lied about her action

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy don't lie

you're convinced I'm town

[Red Gyarados]

We targetted AP N2

[Red Gyarados]

from what I've heard I don't really blame you

But it's alright

I'm here

and I'm town

pedit-

Pretty bad, considering we were blocked.

See, I think you're an ascetic, but that makes no sense regarding what BRO has claimed.

[Red Gyarados]

Which is part of why I'm thinking you/BRO scum.

[Red Gyarados]

Nah

I think nacho is town (he's still scum though, because THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE THE BODIES)

CF might be but I liked Fourtrouble's early paranoia thing regarding me

[Red Gyarados]

I don't know I just know I have no intention of getting burned by you again

This is the game where you won't be burned, though.
I've been on a crazy scumgame streak against you and this is finally the first game where we're town together

hey tammy

do you recognize this

because I do

[Red Gyarados]

wicked

He said something along the lines of

"I've been in so many scum games recently and my towngame has been really bad but this is the first game where I'm town and its going well" or something like that

It's been in the back of my mind giving me nargles

[Red Gyarados]

It's not making me laugh right now