MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

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Can people drop the forced conversational style that's going on? Its making things really hard to read.

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Vote sixty

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Am I all alone tonight? Taxes suck, my cat is adorable, and I'm now understanding the messages I got this afternoon concerning "obnoxiousness" being a town tell for nacho.

Me and your other head were too busy playing hanabi. You should vote for Six with me.

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(or you could spitefully vote for Six instead)

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That post really doesn't work nearly as well with a page break there, unfortunate.

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and I'm Town in this game.

I'm sure you are tierce, I'm sure you are.

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Telling people not to over-react or to calm down is the best way to ensure they do the opposite. Though in this case tierce was kind of being a bitch(though likely fueled by outside factors) so~.

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(notTierce)

...I'm going to sidestep current events for a moment.

chamber, without suggesting that you give a case, why do you think your vote on us is actually a vote for scum? Just going through the games I can remember at two in the morning, the times you tunneled on me seem inversely correlated with the times I was actually notQuiteTown.* It's like an "oh,

this

again" moment.

*Not to be confused with the similar CES, where the times he tunneled on me seem directly correlated with the times he was scum.

I don't think there is any sort of inverse relationship between me suspecting you and me being right. I do think I likely suspect you more than the average person. The last time I played with you I was right to suspect you, jason just had a meta for multiball and it seemed likely that you'd get crosskilled.

In terms of content its like page 3, my vote on you isn't one placed with extreme confidence, but no vote would be.

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Also despite me saying Six like that, I wasn't trying to single you out, it was just short hand that I ran with when tierce seemed to take offense because~.

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I've decided on my own prerogative that Flipping Awesome gets added to my Town spreadsheet, tentatively until his other half is confirmed to be playing and not locked in a basement for fear of making scum posts. Despite dressing up for the occasion I'm still being treated as invisible. Maybe a fight with Lambda would increase my visibility.

Hey. Hey LLD. I heard you enjoyed strangling kittens for scum roles.

Larges are big. Too many people to focus on all of them.

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Vote venmar

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You are talking stiltedly about a lot of odd stuff though.

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Join the good fight!

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The only thing Plum's done is sheep chamber

Sheeping me is pretty protown from her though.

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It seems more like a personal tell then something you can define as town, though. Sheeping it easy is null to me?

I didn't mean in a historic sense, I meant given the current circumstances. I don't know if she's ever sheeped me before in a previous game, but then the only one I remember is old as fuck and we were scum buddies.

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Anyone with useless abilities should probably use them on me.

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wait wait wait.

Is it ANY active ability?

If you mean me, any that target are fine.

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wait wait wait.

Is it ANY active ability?

If you mean me, any that target are fine.

So what if we decided our lynch target today, and then no lynched, and I used my ability on you and that person. It targets you, is an active, and I unilaterally make the choice of who dies.

I suspected that wouldn't work because of the double target thing, but I could ask. The upside is also pretty small, hence 'useless' actions, like a framer.

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Even if it does work, verifying which of us is which is impossible without using out of game knowledge, which seems cheap.

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Wont work, like I suspected.

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:/ well that's unfortunate.

Vote Shadoweh

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Sorry Chamber, you're not someone I want effectively investigation immune.

1: Fuck off. I'm frequently one of the most obv town people in a game when I'm town. I'm frequently one of the first 2 night kills. Investigating me is a huge waste.
2: I can tell who's targeted me and giving you free reign to do what you want with your power isn't happening. You are using it on me, or I'm joining your wagon tomorrow.

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Right now is cool.

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Yep. He targeted me.

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Besides chamber having no sense of humor.

Explain the joke I'm not getting. I really would rather not be voting you, I thought you were town before that one post.

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Blue is plausible as a Town color

This is my issue, and I don't see why no one else sees it?

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...Really. That's your problem? I'm not going to search for games where the town PR's flipped blue instead of green for you, you know they exist, and from my first comment on him I obviously don't think blue is the natural fucking color for Town. So you're voting me because you think I'm stupid. Screw you.

I know people do it, the ones from the team liquid forums mostly. Its clearly not plausible in -this- game though.

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I'm assuming its just a throw away joke about thor being a smurf. It could have a deeper meaning in identifying nero as the user of some other very clearly thor themed ability as a means of nurfing it.

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:V Yes, it does appear to be a throwaway joke about Thor being a smurf, that is even something I said earlier.
God damn it chamber, will you at least reread my own posts to see I already had this thought process days ago?

And? That doesn't address the flaw in your newer thought process.

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I want so many things to die .

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@shadoweh

I want to think you are town, really. Pretend I'm an idiot for a minute (or don't pretend if you already think it) and walk me through step by step what lead you to make the statement about his blue colour that I took issue with.

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Persistent nitpicking is basically how I play.

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Here's the thing from my pov. When I opened my role PM my very first reaction was a sinking feeling of terror at the realization that I was scum. That bright red staring me in the face at the top of the PM, unable to see anything else. And then I read its exact contents, and the word friends made me doubt, perhaps this is the town faction after all! followed by the relief of reading the specifics of my role and seeing no scum buddies, then confirming with the OP of the thread. Rejoice, I was town after all.

I imagine several people had similar reactions to their PMs this game, perhaps some in reverse (those dirty scum lovers) but I really can't see anyone who had such a reaction continuing to associate BLUE with TOWN in this game.

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Confusion isn't unbelievable, I too was confused. My first thought was 'Was that really the only vote that moved since the last vote count' which is pretty clearly nonsense. I just don't find your thoughts when confused very believable.

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Day 1, VC 8

sangres - (2):

Katsuki,Tim Howard

Nobody Special - (1):

Venmar

Tim Howard - (4):

ChannelDelibird, Cerulean, Sixty, Zdenek

Cerulean - (1):

Untrod Tripod

Sixty - (1):

kanyeknowsbest

Katsuki - (2):

sangres,

Nero Cain

Not voting - (7):

Shadoweh, chamber, Plum, Nobody Special, Flipping Awesome, xRECKONERx, Lady Lambdadelta

With

18

alive it takes

10

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

26th of April at 5pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)

No one is V/la.[/area]

For reference this is the vote count where I noticed it. (I skipped the ones when catching up)

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ps "I disbelieve that you can think the way you do" fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yoooooooooooooooooou

Everyone says this when they misread someone, and everyone misreads lots of someone in any given game.

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Like your alignment is confirmed truth?

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chamber - So, if you really, really, really don't want to be voting Shadoweh... why are you? Normally when you're pursuing someone you don't literally plead with them to make this one post make sense. Especially since I actually can see someone posting an I.Child as a different color in a vote count. Nonetheless, would hold final judgment until later in the game.

My reasons for not wanting to vote her are more tied to me being friends with her and having looked forward to playing this game with her than they are tied to my opinion of her alignment. I thought I had communicated that by voting her anyway, but maybe not.

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Okay. From what I gathered of Chamber's posts towards you, he implied that he knew you or you were friends so I figured it you were town, you'd be more confident in your ability to just show him that you are.

Relatively new friends, mafia games take months, etc.

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I don't like tim howard for scum at all. My only experience playing with nexus that I remember was when I hydra'd with him as an SK. He made one post that game because it was deadline and he knew I was afk. I made literally every other post, because he didn't want to as scum. I didn't see that reservation in him here.

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like 2 years ago.

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So, you don't think that he'd have become more comfortable as scum in that time?

He may have? Far be it for me to underestimate him. On the other hand I've been playing for the better part of a decade and still hate drawing scum. If I actually took issue with any of his posts I would likely not be willing to count on my experience as his only defense, but I don't independent of it.

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Unvote Vote: Sixty

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You are incompetent.

Everyone is wrong multiple times in most games. Throw around such terms because of flaws in methodology, not individual reads.

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insults don't really bother me as much as people being wrong.

Reck is doing both as evidenced above. You should be sufficiently bothered by this to vote him.

Whats bothering me is that he's sheeping me. I never got the impression that he had a very positive opinion of my ability.

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More to the point, it was clearly an excuse.

Why does he need an excuse? He doesn't.

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More to the point, it was clearly an excuse.

Why does he need an excuse? He doesn't.

Momentum.

Those are related how?

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You can't get a wagon going without reasons to encourage people to do it?
...You completely disagree with that come to think of it.

I'm still capable of understanding that others would feel that need.

How is sheeping me such a reason?

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insults don't really bother me as much as people being wrong.

Reck is doing both as evidenced above. You should be sufficiently bothered by this to vote him.

Whats bothering me is that he's sheeping me. I never got the impression that he had a very positive opinion of my ability.

I'm not really following your progression from this post, and have no idea what you think of the sudden reck wagon.

Your confusion is likely caused by the fact the the wagon is made up of 2 null reads and 2 scum reads.

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insults don't really bother me as much as people being wrong.

Reck is doing both as evidenced above. You should be sufficiently bothered by this to vote him.

Whats bothering me is that he's sheeping me. I never got the impression that he had a very positive opinion of my ability.

I don't think I've ever given the impression of the opposite? You've been around awhile, I generally respect most people with a join date older than mine unless I have specific reasons not to

VOTE: xReckonerx

Reck is obvtown what are you all doin?!?!

?????

VOTE: shos

Nice reading mate A+.

Unvote Vote Reck

this is also gross but also just chamber so idk

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The beautiful part of this post is that it doesn't make sense unless Reck thinks we're Town pushing an earnest case on him.

HMM.

The frustration certainly would be coming from such a spot, but then, his frustration is likely mostly coming from past experiences where that was true.

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chamber is not calling me town at all. <_< Speaking of incompetent?

Oh so why aren't we killing you then? I completely ignored oyu because I thought chamber called you town.

Sixty pointing out that the PLAIN RED reference was likely to roles and not just about Admin coloring made me sufficiently less sure about her, also the slot managed to be extremely scummy in the same instance, which helped. I also previously assumed that the town color was actually the admin color (being aligned with mith and all) because the skin mafBlack updates that color to (FF0000) the color the town actually is. Which is better described as PLAIN RED than the admin color is, which is why I had overlooked that reference.

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It's like you're speaking another language.

I experience that often, and I'm never sure if it's because I'm being very clever or very dumb, I'm always sure it's one of the 2 though.

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You're using a negative response to you voting him as your example of how he doesn't respect you enough to sheep you in a different situation.

No I'm not.

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These wagons are all so unappealing.

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Unvote vote venmar

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That was the idea, yeah.

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He appears to be a double voter when voting with you (thor) or majiffy(unknown?).

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With the caveat that I haven't meta'd to confirm, I wouldn't be surprised if the beatle juice tell was something plum did consistently as both alignments. Her method of posting (giant burst walls) puts a lot of strain on maintaining pro-activity constantly.

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meta is trash

I disagree but I also wasn't really using meta. As she pointed out I was comparing her motivations with the scum motivations that normally cause the beatlejuicing.

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Sixty, Venmar, maybe shadow? There are more somewhere.

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Yep, he should 100% trust that, no doubt.

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How the fuck is that not lynched yet. Hes outright trolling us.

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what year is it? is trolling a scumtell yet?

Yes, clearly I meant all trolling is universally a scum tell *slow clap*.

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You just hammered him Nero, how the fuck do you fall for that troll.

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Vote Venmar

Fucking trolling scum.

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Unvote Vote Nobody Special

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This thread is so dead.

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I thought I was .

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Vote: Plum

Pretty sure this is the wrong line for today.

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shrug.

Unvote Vote UT

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I'm around. I'll try and say something useful at some point.

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How often do you read the thread reck?

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How often do you read the thread reck?

I have an obsessive habit of clicking "Bookmarks" and then clicking on any threads with new posts in them. Usually it's just a force of habit and I click and read the last 3-4 posts then close the tab

Can I assume your recent vote was based on the preceding 3-4 posts then? Because that leaves me at a loss.

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that was supposed to be you sheeping Tim Howard?

It looked a lot like it to me, hence me calling him out?

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Plums not happening today. I'd be pretty happy to lynch you though.

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I want this one.

Vote: Chamber

Can I kill this one Miss?

I know that I've toned down the obv!town a bit for *reasons*, but I'm far from the worst offender this game, and *reasons*.

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That's not close to what I said.

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I don't think he was trolling like at all, that was a pressure point against Chamber.

You'd have to be incredibly dumb to ask and push his point at face value. So it was trolling, or he's an idiot or scum. You can choose.

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Unvote Vote Tim Howard

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Chamber: I need your help for a moment.

Can you reference specific interactions. Going over it in isolation, none stand out to me as being particularly off.

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Do you really think Nero Cain and Venmar are scum together

even just role speculation wise it seems reasonably unlikely that they are scum together.

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Unvote Vote Nero

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shadow, with me!

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knaye vs nero would be acceptable.

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I find Neros claim completely believable. It does nothing to change my mind however.

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Unvote

Upon his further contribution, i'm not convinced this is Nero's scumplay. Being active but very dumb and outrageous among other things is literally his town meta from my experience.

I also think Nacho is town.

This seems at odds with your stances about Nero this game. hmm.

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Timmy, how did you choose your targets?

I'd rather like to have this answered as well.

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you interrupted my chance to post 'PUNCH!!!!'

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this doesn't look like a persecution complex so much as a scum hydra trying to play good cop bad cop so people will feel guilty for scumreading them. mayyyyyyyybe I'm super bad at reading hydras, but it looks to me like damage control from a scum perspective rather than a town one

I just want to double check and make sure you're saying you genuinely believe that Nexus/Quadz sat down as scum and devised a plan in which one of them would be the good guy and one would be the bad guy in order to... uh... I guess... make people feel guilty?

Like you actually think these types of things are conversations that hydra partners have? Seriously?

We're not dealing with heady theoreticals here, we're dealing with like, actual players playing an actual game.

I wonder if this post feels off not because of the reck/UT interaction but because of the reck/Tim one.

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I'm sure that was meant to say something.

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I got that it was a joke. I just assumed there was a serious underlying point that you were attempting to highlight with humor that was going over my head.

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<3

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VOTE: Untrod Tripod

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Is anyone else entertaining Flipping scum?

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That's more like it!

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I kinda jumped on the kanye train for reasons I don't want to make public.

I feel like it's time that I want to here this explicitly.

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hear* ugh.

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at 9:15????

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I'm sad that no card went my way .

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I'm sad that no card went my way .

Way to be self-absorbed chamber

>_>

I explicitly asked people to target me with weak actions. It seems weak to me!

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Yes 'cause scum would be delighted to use their ability now instead of saving it for later.

Why are you assuming her ability is a one off?

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I kinda jumped on the kanye train for reasons I don't want to make public.

I feel like it's time that I want to here this explicitly.

I thought I was picking up on a cop breadcrumb or softclaim w/ a guilty on kanye.

Don't let this get swept under the rug too easily. I reread day 1 and I really don't think any of the votes could plausibly be mistaken for cop results. Maybe zdeneks if you forgot he was the claimed framer for a moment, but Reck was also the one going ape shit on Zdenek over being the framer so.

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Awake for a minute. Want to go back to sleep. Do I need to move my vote?

You do, Nero is l-1, so you could hammer there, or you could make kanye a plausible counter wagon. But you need to do 1 of the 2.

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Don't let this get swept under the rug too easily. I reread day 1 and I really don't think any of the votes could plausibly be mistaken for cop results.

Am I missing something? Why day 1 and not day 2?

I'm just half asleep, I meant early day2 >_>.

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Stop looking for reasons why people are town. Seriously.

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Venmars not getting lynched in the next hour.

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Tammy will choose the bullet.

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unvote vote kanye

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unvote

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Vote nero

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we need to lynch nero today. Tammy, godspeed.

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Both of these lynches need to happen at some point, likely, but nero informs too much.

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Chamber, what was the point of the short-lived switch to kanye?

Why did you cut off the next sentence? I said I can't tell if he's using it to manipulate me or not.

I don't understand why you're focusing so much on single post (mostly about a different game!) either way.

I was ok with it going through if it did, but I mostly wanted to see how me moving my vote influenced other votes. But then nero showed up and ruined that.

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9 minutes, your minute has been given!

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I hope that means you've found the right vote!

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But in your heart, you know its nero. Vote for nero, vote for nero.

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boo

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Vote nero

This is not a vote that I expected to make today.

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baaaah.

Vote LLD

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Vote nero

This is not a vote that I expected to make today.

Then why'd you make it?

I wonder what could have changed between when I was thinking about the start of day, and the start of day?

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VOTE: Lady LambdaDelta

Please explain why you 'needed to be reassured Kayne wasn't scum' then when said reassurances did not come and his wagon ramped up you didn't follow up on this.

Because for the second day in a row I wasn't looking at the thread for a whole day or so, and then suddenly came back to a lynch?

Suddenly came back to a lynch that went through minutes before deadline?

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I don't like getting in the way of lines of questioning, but this one seems pretty damn silly.

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We need NS/TH/FA/LLD to come in and put down votes if nothing else.

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That's l-3?

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Chamber doesn't seem the dumb type, is this fake?

I wish I could claim that it was me getting back at him for how day 1 ended, but it was actually just me being careless, I forgot about his modifier.

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I think an LLD/Kanye scumteam is not only possible but also likely

This bothers me a lot. Not going to advocate flipping instead of LLD or anything but getting it out there.

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I read it, I'm not sure I want to comment on it.

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LLD, could you go over the evolution of your read on me yesterday? You may my permission to be explicit.

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Well, why not 4?

5/18 is very high. I don't think anyone sane would think that's an option. I don't really think 2 is an option either though. 4 total with a reasonably amount of power.

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I want this one.

Vote: Chamber

Can I kill this one Miss?

I know that I've toned down the obv!town a bit for *reasons*, but I'm far from the worst offender this game, and *reasons*.

To this point I had some qualms with your play and how you were handling yourself given what you had talked about of your *reasons* on day 1.

This post was like literally the only thing I could hear from you that wouldn't make me take a spiky dildo and ram it so far up your ass that it came out your mouth covered in blood and intestines~ (explicit, see~).

When I said specifics I more meant you being explicit about what you thought I meant by *reasons*.

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Shadoweh
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Plum
Venmar
Untrod Tripod
Flipping Awesome
xRECKONERx

Alright, assuming 2-3 scum left they're solidly in this group.

Cerulean is town because of the hammer in the last day. I mean, potentially gambitting for town cred but like, that feels weird and bad to me in that situation.
NS is town for his vote on that wagon and how he played the end of Day 2.
Tim Howard is staying in a town book right now because the people he can be scum with just aren't scum.
Zdenek is pretty solidly town, with his voting patterns and how he's held himself this game.
Nero Cain is town. Just cause.

So there's the 7 above us. I'll be damned if Shadoweh is scum, just based on things I've seen.

The other 6, I'm having a hard time. I feel like Plum and Reckoner and Chamber are town but that leaves Venmar and UT and Flipping Awesome and that feels supremely weird too.

I have to wonder if my paranoia about chamber wasn't wrong and I maybe dropped that pressure too early.

Plum is another person I'm having @_@ feelings about but she still feels strongly town for me.

Honestly, if you went for like,

one of Venmar/UT (UT is the right answer here but I'm totally falliable in this game cause I've been so removed for so long)
Flipping Awesome
And like, either one of Chamber/Plum (OR I'm really wrong about someone who I feel super town on, and they'd be moved into this slot.

I feel like that might win the game? I'm just not as certain as I should be at this point in a game cause I'm so out of loop.

I need people to work with me on this, cause my brain works on weird backwards logic that works in my head but when I try to put into words fails to get my points across.

That list of names you have the scum narrowed down to contained nearly everyone I'm comfortable calling town. The only person with that distinction off your list is zdenek.

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you think scum exists in Cerulean, NS, Tim Howard, Nero Cain and me?

Is that correct?

I think scum doesn't only exist within reck/venmar/you/(to a less degree flipping).

So yes, I think scum can exist in that group of names. Why do you think I opened with a nero vote? The process used to clear Cerulean/NS only works in a world where Nero is town.

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You are right that letting deadline tick towards a no lynch while the person who controls the lynch in a no lynch is the top suspect is a bad idea. Give us a better course.

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I need to work with someone to actually get re-motivated for this game. HELP!

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Nero instead of Venmar.

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I still think the game only really makes sense if he is scum, and I doubt Venmar and him are scum together.

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lol, I expect some good natured ribbing at Chamber from Tammy and Empire after the game ends

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I don't think plum scum ever kills me and shadoweh, we were her only advocates.