Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[CarbonFiber]

Awesome. This looks pretty cool.

[CarbonFiber]

Annoying thing about town is that they are thinking Rancid's alignment through.

"Oh, he raged, he is town."

"Oh, look a damn effort wall, he is town."

It is naive and no one should be giving out townreads based on reasons like that.

[CarbonFiber]

So, Mastin, Rancid, AP, Clyton. That's our scumteam.

GIF and LB are null. Everyone else is a very strong townread.

Except PV who I need to meta.

[CarbonFiber]

Huh. Okay. I might as well out this:

We are a miller.

Rancid is scum because they claimed our role.

[CarbonFiber]

That's what I meant when I said that we had other reasons for reading Rancid as scum in the QT.

[CarbonFiber]

Lmao, that would be hilarious. Do it. The rest of this neighborhood will be aware of it.

[CarbonFiber]

My original plan was to get them to gladiate you guys and then counterclaim them.

But I think they'd gladiate us now which would probably leave town in a worse position so yeah.

[CarbonFiber]

Oh, fuck this shit, I half want to replace out.

How the fuck does anyone legitimately believe that spamming the game so no one can read it is in any way something of an accomplishment?

[CarbonFiber]

Why do you want to get lynched?

[CarbonFiber]

Oh, never mind. I misread what you said.

Yeah, ffery's posts are incredibly unhelpful. I still believe that she is town.

She is defending scum-Rancid excusing Natirasha's and Muffin's nonsensical rage-spam. I have no words. I put forth ever ounce of reasoning and reaching out to help understand where she is coming from like I never did before. I am astounded how someone can ignore me saying "how do you think we can utilize the rest of this day in a pro-town manner?" I half want to just say Breakfast is scum but I really, genuinely don't believe that it is the case. It is easy, yes, to believe that they are scum. But I don't think they actually are.

[CarbonFiber]

And the sad part is with Titan checking out, Pere being inactive, NotScience checking out and Brian being 20 pages behind, with Orc being a lurkfuck, LordB also being an even bigger lurkfuck, and Clyton being an unconventional player, the only way town can cohesively function is if we work with probably literally the only person who is actually READing this game.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, here's my plan:

I am not replacing out of this game because spam. I think it would be disrespectful to the mod and other players.

I am claiming my real role in thread and counterclaiming Muffin/Nati.

I expect ffery to lead a lynch on me because lol, look at all that scum motivation in counterclaiming the hated townie. Then thank fucking god, I am out of this game and don't have to worry about it anymore.

Just so you know, I am not gambiting. We're a town replica. (It means miller, basically). RBD is scum because they claimed miller before us. If town are knuckle-headed enough to lynch us first, just make sure you get RBD lynched or something. Muffin once had a guilty on him and managed to survive and win the game because lol-stupid-town.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, hey are you going to be counterclaiming or what?

Make your choice now.

[CarbonFiber]

Cool. I'll wait a while to see which way the wind blows. If we can get Mastin lynched, that's nice. If it means Pere is going to get lynched, then I'll do it.

The optimal time to use it though is after they gladiate you.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, taking a quick break.

Also, sorry ffery for when you see this and see me venting. I feel like you are discounting my thoughts because I am pushing Mastin/Muffin/AP and you don't agree with my reads but I still believe them.

[CarbonFiber]

It's like, ffery's just sitting peripheral to the game, only taking slight pokes in that are surface-level "pro-town" things to say, and not the actual dirty work needed to progress a town win con.

It is playstyle more than alignment telling.

AP's vote-hopping is making me nervous about him, especially his willingness to jump on an obvious counter wagon to scum.

Well, listen to Desp?

[CarbonFiber]

I really think all the scum are spam-posting right now.

I'm going to take a break from posting in the thread and hopefully tomorrow will be refreshing and Titan/Kagura will post more and help us townbloc and lynch scum.

We're on the same page pretty much. It is just that the entire town is inactive as fuck and can't catch up under the mountain of spam.

[CarbonFiber]

And the only active townie who is caught up on the game (Breakfast)...

[CarbonFiber]

Our alternative option (in case Peregrine actually becomes a target) is to push the hell out of a lynch on Rancid.

This neighborhood all know that he is scum. That's 4 votes. Titan, Fox are two more. That's 6.

With 17 players, we need 9 to lynch. Rancid only needs 8. So, we need to persuade 2 more players to do it.

[CarbonFiber]

Peregrine is likely 7 and if we can get Cupcake to switch, we can do it.

Want to hear thoughts from Bork, Nacho, and GIF.

Rancid is my top choice for a lynch. I doubt a Mastin lynch is going to go through so we push one on Rancid instead.

Bonus points if I can do it without outing as miller and seeing ffery's reaction D2.

[CarbonFiber]

It could be MAC though. I mean, does a townie actually say refusal to produce a case is a scumclaim?

[CarbonFiber]

Can I send a middle finger to Mac for being in the scum's pocket? "SO MUCH NOISE" "CF scum for refusing to produce a case" How do these two statements co-incide?

[CarbonFiber]

BORK

, yell at Nacho to get back in this thread. We all need to stragize. JSU, GIF, us, you, and Nacho.

PeregrineV is town. I am fairly certain of that. He is the designated lurker-mislynch-compromise wagon. We need to figure out the best way to derail this rubbish lynch and go for Rancid.

Do you have him on Skype/Text whatever?

[CarbonFiber]

Bork, why aren't you voting RBD yet?

[CarbonFiber]

Oh, my god. I am sick of ffery. How the FUCK does someone so delusionally believe in their reads that they don't even vote them when they are counterclaimed? Seriously?

[CarbonFiber]

I know. It is still town.

Peregrine is pretty obvtown at this point.

That means the fourth partner is narrowed down to {Clyton, GIF, LordB}

I don't really think it is GIF meaning Clyton and LordB are the last remaining possibilities.

[CarbonFiber]

Oh, fuck yes Pieguy is in the game. Thank god. Someone that actually makes sense replaced in.

[CarbonFiber]

^ That was F-16 btw. CarbonFiber is a hydra of me and FourTrouble.

[CarbonFiber]

Pie, if you are town like I think you probably are, PLEASE read the game.

Half the town in this game doesn't make any sense. Tammy is literally the only person outside of this neighborhood that is actually talking sense, so please, please get into this game and nail the scum. I need your help in strategizing and organizing a lynch on scum. Right now, I think scum are AP, Mastin, Rancid and one of {Clyton, LordBusiness} assuming your slot is town.

Thanks Cabd.

~ F-16

[CarbonFiber]

Should have. But your other head knows this is Muffin's scumgame because he is damn good at figuring it out. So...

[CarbonFiber]

Cool. Yggdra is holy fuck town. (as I hoped)

[CarbonFiber]

Which of you is posting right now? I mean who has which initials when you sign off? I am not quite sure.

Okay, so I assume the NK is going to be someone who is obvtown and against Mastin/RBD which probably means you guys or Tammy. We need to figure out how to get the best lynch possible.

I am not absolutely set on lynching RBD as it is just as obvious to me that Mastin is scum here. So, whichever you guys decide. Although RBD is preferable since they are more obviously scum.

GIF, it is quite unlikely Mastin fooled town-Muffin into towneading him, don't you think? I mean, that much of a defense from Muffin indicates either scum-him whiteknighting Mastin or buddies defending each other I think.

[CarbonFiber]

what did mastin claim? regardless I'm fairly sure he's scum here and the way he's going about the lynch on you reminds me of how he was pushing the lynch on Kagami in AOT - he keeps making manipulative statements that basically serve to downplay how town you are

also I'm Yggdra. I haven't posted yet. I'm mostly here for support

I KNOW. Where the hell were you for the whole game when we sorely needed someone that makes as much sense as you are making at this point?

It is literally frustrating when I am trying to tell people "this is why his push on us is scummy" and no one, not even Tammy were super-convinced about it.\

I refuse to sign up for mafia games in the future unless you are playing.

Thank god you replaced in, I am dead serious about it.

[CarbonFiber]

Votecount 1-25

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

MastinSSK

, Mac, Clyton,
MastinSSK (3): CupcakePanda, The Fox and the Hound, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (3): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados, Rancid Broderick Drake
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (3): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Please note the deadline.

Okay, we need 9 votes to lynch and I am trying to decide whether to push a Mastin lynch or a Rancid lynch at this point.

[CarbonFiber]

{Cupcake, Fox, Yggdra, CarbonFiber, JSU, PV} all of us are pretty certain in those reads.

The only thing I am not sure of is whether Cupcake or PV will switch their votes.

But that's still 6 votes at max. If we can persuade Breakfast and Titan to vote, that'll be eight and someone might deadline hammer.

Pretty sure the scumteam is Mastin, Rancid, AP, Clyton with an outside chance of it being LB so they are not going to vote each other.

Both Mastin and Rancid lynches will be incredibly damaging to the scumteam. I am not sure who to push though.

[CarbonFiber]

both are realistic so it doesn't really matter

Yeah, but if we sit on two separate wagons, they'll compromise deadline lynch some random lurker-town which I would hate for it to happen. Town NEEDS to finish strong.

[CarbonFiber]

Anyways, Kagura/Bork, want to hear your thoughts. Are you really townreading BOTH Mastin and Rancid?

[CarbonFiber]

I'll try to work with Titan and Breakfast (the non-voters) to see which one they will help is achieve.

[CarbonFiber]

But ffery absolutely won't vote RBD but might acquiesce to Beli's Mastin read.

When Mastin flips scum, that would be a wake up call for her.

[CarbonFiber]

Also Bork, get the heck off of the scum designated mislynch.

[CarbonFiber]

Mastin is trying to spread confusion to get PV lynched and basically anyone but him or Rancid. I am free tomorrow so I am basically going to give it everything I got to get Titan and Breakfast to vote with us on either Mastin or Rancid, doesn't matter.

Also, need to make a town-case on PV to get people out of the mentality that if Mastin even looks the slightest bit town, PV ought to be lynched.

[CarbonFiber]

Are you going to be online around this time tomorrow?

[CarbonFiber]

Votecount 1-26

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

MastinSSK

, Mac, Clyton,
MastinSSK (2): CupcakePanda, Yggdra Union
Just Sheep Us (3): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados, Rancid Broderick Drake
AngryPidgeon (1): Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake (4): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, The Fox and the Hound

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Mod note: Please note the deadline.

The disappointing thing is at least half the playerlist is going to be useless as far as getting scum lynched is concerned.

Orc - Lurkfuck
RG - In the scum's pocket
Mac - In the scum's pocket
LB - Lurkfuck if town
Clyton - In the scum's pocket if town

Mastin - scum
Rancid - scum
AP - scum

So, that's 8 fucking people that won't vote scum in a playerlist of 17. FML. We need every one of the remaining 9 votes to secure a lynch. That's why Breakfast's vote is so essential.

[CarbonFiber]

Bork, I don't mean to be hyperbolic, I just thought the lurkers weren't helping town at all and it is unlikely we'll build two counterwagons at deadline.

I think PV is quite obvtown. I'll make my case to you so you can make your best choice.

[CarbonFiber]

BRO, chill. No one claimed scum. I think he IS scum obviously and PV is town. Going to explain why in a bit.

Also, the whole "lynch us" + "we'll paraphrase our hydra QT" is bullshit. They obviously don't want to be lynched which is why they are paraphrasing their hydra QT so the lynch us is just there for sympathy points.

[CarbonFiber]

The things that Rancid are doing aren't consistent.

They say "lynch me!" and "I want to be lynched" hoping for sympathy while doing everything they can to avoid a lynch. Townies try to avoid mislynches all the time but the way Rancid is going about it feels subtle, not blatant. If they so desperately don't want to be lynched, they would tell players not to lynch them. I remember NY169 where I got run up D1 and told everyone that lynching me is going to be detrimental, that I am town, and that they should unvote. Because I didn't want to be lynched.

It is possible that Rancid do want to be lynched. In that case, nothing is needed other than to not post and wait for others to lynch them.

This passive-aggressive emotional blackmail and self-vote and rage seems fake to me and definitely within the capabilities of Muffin and Nati as scum. Asking to be lynched while trying to avoid it feels like theatrics.

Townies may self-vote. Bad, newb townies do it. Not town-Muffin and town-Nati.

[CarbonFiber]

I think you'll figure it out

But I really want to explain why I have such a hard town read on Pere and think he is town. Gimme a bit to present it so you can evaluate it and make your choice.

[CarbonFiber]

I need to head out right now but will be back in a couple hours.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, so in the first paragraph, let's look at it from a bird's eye view of the wagon on him and how other people interacted with him. In the next one, look at PV's actual posts and play itself.

PV shows a lot of VI behavior that can be considered scummy by town. He is going to be a compromise lynch. Always has been. Just because PV wasn't wagoned early doesn't mean that he isn't the easiest lynch to push. Nearly everyone has some sort of concerns about PV basically making him the default lynch for the day. If a player is unable to push the wagon they want, they are likely to change their vote to PV. I think that scum are tiptoeing around voting him not because they don't want to bus him but because they want the suspicion to build up and for town to start wondering why no one is voting the universal scumread. Contrast with attacking an easy target directly and being called out for it. Notice AngryPidgeon's push on PV. After all the arguments with Mastin and Kagura, he starts asking around for who he will compromise on. Because neither Mastin nor Kagura are easy targets that will be lynched, yet good to make a ton of noise with, citing bullshit, nitpicky, semantic arguments, and when the time comes to settle on a lynch, a low-activity player like PV is perfect. The current gamestate with a PV wagon and everyone happily defaulting to it wouldn't be the gamestate if Pidgeon had decided to attack PV directly.

Onto PV's actual posts. While he flew under the radar, he has been far from useless this game. He's made no less than 86 posts, more than quite a few other players. He provides an initial reads list in Post 1035 that is unconventional and goes against the grain of popular opinion. While some of his reads are harder to follow than others, I see them coming far more likely from an uninformed town POV than something scum would fake to fit in. I like his questioning of the Cupcake read in Post 1039 because it is something that BRO never explained in detail in the thread. His response to pressure in Post 1069 was natural and easygoing and he never seemed overly bothered by Breakfast pushing him. Neither was he worried about Kagura and his response in Post 1589 is calm, level-headed and inquisitive. He also presses AngryPidgeon for responses to his questions and follows up on anything that was unanswered as in Post 1770 showing that he was scanning the thread very closely. Healso follows up on his question to Kagura in Post 1770 showing a close attention to detail and it shows that he is not just bullshitting random questions but meticulously following up on everything he is doing. He openly invites Titan to engage and question him in Post 1773 unafraid of being grilled. I doubt scum-PV would asked to be put under the spotlight but it makes sense from town who are good at scumhunting based off of how other people question them.

His questioning of MastinSSK in Post 1780 picks up on a lot of things that are vague and unexplained. Mastin regardless of affiliation has a tendency to be vague and PV's determination to get to the bottom of it as opposed to skim through betrays his underlying town motivation. PV saying that Mastin and I could be scum together in Post 1788 is such a rabbit hole but very, very reminiscent of the kind of tinfoil theories that are so much more likely to come from paranoid town. Him accurately pointing out that the usefulness of my argument is limited shows a very keen grasp of the gamestate. My explanation for town-DV came at a point when the wagon was dying a little but I posted it anyways because I was working on it for a while, but PV picked up on the timing of it to use it for further analysis. His Post 1800 is an absolute classic. Bork, did you see how well he tracked down my read on Cupcake to show where I was making leaps and explained nothing? It is because of the discussions in this neighborhood that refined my Cupcake read. I didn't have a perfect trajectory for it in thread. This is the kind of incredibly potentially alignment-revealing things that PV is picking up. He isn't posting a ton of words in the thread but look at the detail of his thoughts and they could only come if he is putting a LOT of behind-the-scenes work to capture the trail of how I am reading Cupcake. I've stopped here for his ISO read because you wanted it ASAP but continue reading his ISO beyond this post and you'll see too that the level of detail, and how attentively he is reading the thread makes so much sense from town even if he is not the best with words and looks "scummy" and lurkish and useless because he really isn't.

Finally add in that Rancid has interacted with far more slots in the game than PV has and a lot of players have stronger opinions about Rancid's alignment than they do PV's (for instance, barely anyone besides me and Beli has called PV town) and the fact that they are constantly, constantly spewing insults, complaining and burying the thread with such pointless arguments that it makes it hard to read, I think they are a better lynch than PV who is giving it the best shot he can and whose underlying town motivations are apparent upon looking closely. PV lynch is bad even as a utility lynch because we don't get anything out of it whereas a Rancid townflip potentially clears Mastin with their scumflip clearing several players in the game.

[CarbonFiber]

@ CABD, can I post this case in the thread?

It is not really different from a reads-list or stuff like that.

[CarbonFiber]

Are you going to be here around deadline? I think it is tonight. I'll be here and I want to make absolutely sure, that if Rancid isn't getting lynched today we lynch one of Mastin or AP as opposed to a random lurker town.

[CarbonFiber]

In 6 hours 35 minutes from now.

[CarbonFiber]

Should I post my PV case in thread in Cabd allows it?

[CarbonFiber]

Yeah, I'll wait for Cabd to give me permission.

I made it because I was so sure and Bork wanted me to articulate that whole PV-town feeling in words and I had no idea it would be that long.

Regarding ffery, I know it is frustrating that she won't listen but the sort of thing hapenned in Dark Age of the Law though, didn't it? Everyone was telling her to lynch Bertkerberos and Candle Jack and she sort of defended them.

[CarbonFiber]

So, yeah, I think the way she approached some of her reads feel super town.

Who is your pick for the scumteam.

[CarbonFiber]

It is Clyton. Clyton is scum.

He said before that he won't check back in before deadline. I KNEW HE WOULD in order to unvote RBD. He did.

[CarbonFiber]

Like he said when he was voting that he wouldn't check back in so I thought of the possibility that he was town but if he did, I would know for certain that he was only building the illusion of a wagon so that he and RBD could dismantle it later.

Nati unvoted. Then he did. Just like I figured.

[CarbonFiber]

No, Mastin is trying to lynch PV, isn't he?

[CarbonFiber]

I don't know, maybe Mastin decided to include a scum this time but you could be right.

What do you make of Clyton's shit vote and unvote off of RBD?

[CarbonFiber]

Mac has been manipulated. He has that naive air of a manipulated townie (why are we lynching town Muffin-Nati???) as if he has any idea what town Muffin-Nati look like. It is similar to Sakura in NY169.

Clyton isn't being manipulated. His moves are calculated to serve a scum agenda.

[CarbonFiber]

We have it for the whole game.

[CarbonFiber]

What the actual fuck are people doing?

[CarbonFiber]

I am having paranoid moments that RBD really is town and is misreading MastinSSK.

[CarbonFiber]

And Nacho/ffery/Tammy are all scum who are pushing mislynches.

[CarbonFiber]

I also have issues with Muffin and AP thinking spamming is a legitimate tactic to win. They literally buried the thread so people can't physically have the time to read the game.

[CarbonFiber]

NACHO, ARE YOU STILL THERE?

[CarbonFiber]

What, the derailing of Rancid lynch and going for Orc and finally settling for LordB?

If I am wrong about Clyton, then he is probably scum but I doubt it.

[CarbonFiber]

and making ap claim

You think he is town?

[CarbonFiber]

I don't. But if BRO is right, then maybe it is good because it increases the chances of LordB being scum.

[CarbonFiber]

Is anyone in here a vig? If so, please please shoot one of Mastin or RBD.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, here's my problem, Nacho:

I am scumreading MastinSSK, Rancid, and AP.

Pieguyn, BRO-Desp and I spent a literal fuckton of time trying to get ANY one of them lynched. I literally wrote the number of town players who would vote for ANY scum lynch and try to make it happen. None of the scum are bussing. They are spamming and spamming and spamming hoping that the town doesn't try and figure out the scum. I don't intend to play games with some of the players in this game again. Not that I will blacklist them or anything because I don't have anything against them. It is just that their tactics of burying the thread are crap and borderline unethical. It is just that seeing their name in a playerlist might make me think about not signing up/not replacing in into the game. Specifically zMuffinman. I also enjoyed playing with Mastin but he is literally spamming up the thread with bullshit and it is exasperating. I don't think that making it physically impossible for town to catch up to the game and contribute is good in any way. It is not like they are actually playing a good game and fooling a majority of players. It is that their spam caused a whole TON of players to not get caught up in the game and not make an informed vote. As such we only had about 8-9 active players in the game. To lynch any of the scum, we basically needed ALL of us to agree on a lynch. We got the three people in this neighborhood and The Fox and the Hound to agree. We got Cupcake to vote Mastin and PeregrineV to vote Rancid. The problem is that you and ffery are determinedly avoiding any lynch that could actually yield scum. You got your Orc lynch, fine. He is obviously town. What now?

Add onto that, a few players like you and ffery proved COMPLETELY impossible to work with because you won't vote ANY of the scum in the game. I tried to work with you and her to vote ANY of Mastin/Muffin/AP but all you did was ignore the entire fucking game for the ENTIRETY of the 18 days with no contributions. Then you finally show up with 8 hours left to deadline and work with the scum to derail their lynch. The lynch you pushed went through because the scum were backing you and ffery 100%. You did jackshit the whole game. You never worked with me to help lynch any of my scumreads at all despite having me as obviously town. I don't think I was ever this much of a dick to you EVER in any game we played before. I don't understand how you think you can just pop in 8 hours before deadline and derail something that I worked so hard to accomplish, reaching out to so many players, spending so much time and effort to push and then shake all of it down. And you tell me that you are frustrated with me because I am not working with you. How the fuck do you actually think that's okay? In all other games we played together, when you were trying to push any of your scumreads, I backed you up or had a reasonable discussion about why I disagreed with your reads. You keep saying you are frustrated with me that I am not working with you and that's seriously bullshit. Like, are you kidding me? You showed up out of literally nowhere to say that me pointing out that Muffin was using insults was bad and that I should stop it.

You are not even thinking about it from my POV. Do you really, really believe that a skim of the thread gave you better reads overall than me who re-read the thread a fucking dozen times? Like seriously? You were oblivious to details of what was hapenning in the thread. You weren't involved. You don't understand the subtle emotional manipulation Mastin was doing with BRO because he could be riled up. You don't get that Mastin was trying to discredit me (and Pie when he joined the game). Muffin was spending a ton of time discrediting both Tammy and me although now it seems like he decided to buddy up with Tammy. You don't know ANYTHING. You fucking skimmed the thread, found one post from Rancid with ATE in it and decided that it made them town because he wouldn't do it as scum. You don't get that scum were in a hard place especially when Pie joined the game and re-inforced the attack that BRO-Desp, Fox, and I were building up. If he hadn't replaced in, it would have been even harder but his posts were like a breath of fresh air that provided the REAL possibility of getting Rancid/Mastin lynched today.

I really want to ask you this for the third time because I am so pissed off at you and I am not even getting it. DID YOU LITERALLY TELL ME THAT I AM NOT WORKING WITH YOU WHEN I SPENT EIGHTEEN FUCKING DAYS SOLVING THIS GAME AND FIGURING OUT THE SCUM AND YOU WON'T HELP ME PUSH ANY OF MY SCUMREADS? I said I'd settle for any of three players in the game and you were fucking with that and telling me that you are disappointed in me for nit working with you. Like ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? And hey I am looking over past games and still can't find a single instance where I was a total dick to you as far as helping you push your scumreads. I am not really sure what the problem is or how you expected me to work with you or what you think I could have done better in the thread.

[CarbonFiber]

The more I think about it, the more it doesn't make ANY fucking sense. What the actual fuck, Nacho, you showed up before deadline and flashwagoned BRO and Desp? You hydrad with Desp before, you know him well. Are you fucking kidding me and telling me that his alignment isn't obvious from reading the QTs? Who the heck are you kidding really?

[CarbonFiber]

Could Orc be scum? Wtf is up with him putting Breakfast up instead of his two top suspects?

[CarbonFiber]

Yeah, you are probably going to get nk'd tonight. Both Mastin and Muffin think you are a threat, even more so than obvtown like Kagura and Titan. I just hope any protective roles are smart enough to protect you guys.

And how sure are you about ffery-town? Her resolute refusal to vote obvscum tested the limit of belief in ffery being town.

[CarbonFiber]

I don't know. So, I felt she was town because there's a way she comes across when town that is incredibly hard to fake. I could tell she was genuinely trying to solve the game even though she never voted any of the three players I am thinking are scum. When AP was brought up, she said she thought he was town but when BRO-Desp was brought up, she instantly wagoned them. That's BS if anyone can't see BRO-Desp as town. Her stances are absolutely wtf. The only reason I am holding myself back is it looked the same way while spectating on Dark Age of the Law. How did you feel about their slot then?

Also, she too went for trying to discredit me (I figured scum want to insult/discredit anyone that is right). Her claiming I was bitching about compromise lynches is massive bullshit and makes me wonder about the read. I know Tammy had similar voting patterns which was frustrating but her approach was to blame it on her own indecision as opposed to others (like ffery did) which felt really, really blatantly town.

[CarbonFiber]

ffery I mean.

[CarbonFiber]

I still think AP's town b/c while he hasn't helped with the shitstorm this game, he hasn't pushed it the way mastin/RBD/ffery have. He's kind of just being his spastic self.

How sure are you about it?

AP was in Anything Goes in a hydra with you seeing obvscum for what they are.

Here, you have to say "wtf AP, why aren't you voting obvscum?"

[CarbonFiber]

@ Cabd, but seriously zMuffin did cross the line of personal insults with several people regardless of affiliation and was literally spewing vitriol all over the thread just for the heck of it. I agree with BRO that you need to warn him about it.

[CarbonFiber]

I half want to just vote Stalin and get them killed off of plurality.

[CarbonFiber]

This town though. They are supposed to be competent players but they literally let Rancid get away after they self voted.

A whole bunch of people just refuse to vote scum.

[CarbonFiber]

bork, what are your thoughts?

Every fiber of my being is telling me this is town rage.

The miller claim stuff is chaff compared to that.

Everyone in the neighborhood is telling me I'm wrong.

-b

I can appreciate the fuckitiquit attitude but I would rather lynch scum today. :/

This actually COULD be scum. I mean, she doesn't have any scumreads so wtf is she going on about?

[CarbonFiber]

I have an idea. Let's all wait till deadline and if no one voted by then, quickvote ffery so she gets lynched.

[CarbonFiber]

Hello, FourTrouble here.

I'm thinking Mac is scum. Thoughts?

[CarbonFiber]

Wow, okay. Just had time to calm down. I'll wait for Ncaho to respond to my post before I write down the problems I had with this game and figure out my new approach which I'll detail in here so come next day, I will change my approach and win the game no matter what.

[CarbonFiber]

Yeah, I think it is EXACTLY what he would do as scum. So, yeah. I'm still debating who to vote for.

[CarbonFiber]

Also, do you realize how fucking bad your pushes are? DV? Really? And then Pere? You've gotta be kidding me.

[CarbonFiber]

Scum-Tammy starts out by attacking me? Not seeing it.

[CarbonFiber]

Maybe. I don't know if he thought to tell his scumbuddies but they could be town anyways.

[CarbonFiber]

Actually forget it. BRO's meltdown still isn't fake.

[CarbonFiber]

Why are you avoiding the thread?

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho, I want to believe you are town but your suspect list makes no sense. I can't see how you are not seeing AngryPidgeon as scum with PA/Fox/Magenta as the potential other scum in case you are town.

because we have a fucking innocent report on him you pedantic dork

^ive been holding that in for a while

And I am arguing that he is a godfather.

[CarbonFiber]

Why is Magenta scum?

[CarbonFiber]

Idk, I kinda want to lynch FH because they are more obvscum and more difficult to lynch but I could do Magenta as well.

I'll settle for Magenta although I'd rather have Fox.

[CarbonFiber]

Or you know, Magenta could be a goon and FH could be the roleblocker that is blocking PV etc. That's why Magenta is acting obvscum.

Idk, I am down with either. I feel confident enough to lynch obvscum first and see what happens.

[CarbonFiber]

All right, I'm done. Let's just lynch Nacho. I am not fucking building another wagon just to have Nacho derail it at deadline.

[CarbonFiber]

JSU, I am serious. Let's lynch Nacho today. We just need two more votes. Yours and Brian's would do. Beli just won't believe that Nacho is scum but that's fine. We only need six out of seven town to vote him.

His buddies (AP, Penguin, Magenta) obviously won't vote him.

[CarbonFiber]

JSU, it is up to you to hammer Nacho now. Beli won't vote him and his scumpartners won't bus him.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, I am heading out to Subway to grab lunch. JSU, please hammer Nacho by the time I get back and it'll be awesome.

[CarbonFiber]

Hmm, that's a nice sub actually. I'll grab that.

[CarbonFiber]

I think I'll get a Subway Club on Italian with cheddar, onion, heavy mustard/mayo, ranch, sriracha, chipotle southwest, salt and pepper.

Never considered oil before but it is not a bad idea either.

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho not trying to convince me to change my mind pings as well. (Okay, now I am really heading out).

[CarbonFiber]

F-16, did you notice how easily Cephrir relented and voted me?

Do you want to lynch him?

[CarbonFiber]

I don't know why you are pointing out Cephrir's scumminess here in the neighborhood when I basically asked you to back up your scumread there and vote them and you wouldn't. It feels more like you are manipulating me so I'll lead a lynch on town-Fox and put the town in LYLO. Why are you not bringing it up with them or voting them if you find it scummy?

So, no I don't care if he relented and voted you and I'm not bringing it up in thread and pushing for his lynch based off of that since you refuse to vote them anyways.

[CarbonFiber]

Yeah, I hope so too. Cabd, are you going to subway?

[CarbonFiber]

Thank god, YES, YES, YEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!

A scum-free neighborhood! FINALLY! FINALLY! FINALLY! A scum lynch.

At least we are giving scum a run for their money and not folding without a single scum lynch. I fucking hope we get another scum lynch before LYLO.

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho can't see this topic anymore, right?

[CarbonFiber]

DEAD

1 Lord Business, who was Kreed Grafyte, Town Sealed Persona-Roleblocker, was lynched day one. (Possibility of re-entry into game)
2 Mac, who was Ricardo Soldato, Town Paranoid Bodyguard, was Killed Night 1 (also rolestops target)
3 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman + natirasha), who was Sword Dancer, Town Battleseeker was Killed Night 1 (A modified gladiator)
4 MastinSSK (Mastin2 + MafiaSSK), who was Ruca Milda, Town Bulletproof Re-incarnated god, was lynched day two (Voteless till LYLO)
5 Yggdra Union (GIF + Pieguyn), who was Tear Grants, Town Evolving JOAT, was killed night two
6 CupcakePanda, who was Chelsea Torn, Town Modified Delayer, was lynched Day Three (Has a oneshot magnet ability)

7 Nachomamma8, who was Arietta, Mafia Wild Child Beastmaster was lynched Day Four. (Alternating commuter-roleblocker)

Town

:

1 Titan (Tammy + Ser Arthur Dayne) - Tammy and her cute kitten can never, ever be scum
2 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon + Desperado) - Town as town can be
3 Belisarius - Tammy says town, I think town, and IF AP is town (which I don't think he is), he confirmed Beli

Conditionally town upon proving his role

:
4 PeregrineV - As long as he confirms his vig shot, it shouldn't be a problem

Leftovers

:
5 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies + notscience) - NotScience obvtowned himself again + I like Brian's posts
6 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir + DV) - No idea what to say
7 AngryPidgeon - CONFIRMED SCUM
8 MagentaTheGreat (Orcinus + Mara) - Scum because role clashes with Rancid and Nacho bussed Orc
9 Penguin_alien - Scum for pushing Mastin, sweeping AP aside and pushing me

[CarbonFiber]

His PLAYT basically. How the fuck can town play like that?

[CarbonFiber]

Also, the way he and Nacho hurried along that Katsuki lynch.

He could be the godfather though, right?

I mean all he is doing is tunneling me which is downright idiotic. Like it is obvious I am town based on play if not just that miller claim and he continues finding new ways to make me look like scum.

But WHATEVER. I am not going to try to lynch AP tomorrow. I think we should push Magenta the Great because that's who I feel good about and I feel like we can achieve that lynch.

[CarbonFiber]

I'm investigating in {Tammy, Peng, FoxHound, RG} tonight. Got any opinions on who I should go on?

Note that I should be going for things that are more likely town than scum.

Absolutely not Tammy. Look, I swear she is town. She is playing like she could never play if scum. I am dead serious.

Any of the others would be good choices. I'd love it if Peng/FH/RG would get investigated.

[CarbonFiber]

I'd love it if FH gets investigated so I can have some peace of mind there but honestly if they are town and cleared, I don't think I can work with them because they're just going to abuse their conftown status to push bad lynches. BUT, if they are scum, it would be nice to get rid of them. So, MINIMAL benefit if they are town, moderate to high benefit if they are scum.

Penguin would be a good choice since we can work with her if she is town and she'll work with us. So, MAXIMAL benefit if she is town, moderate benefit if she is scum since she isn't that hard to lynch.

RG is a good choice because he is a paranoia read. I think eliminating him as a suspect will be nice and I am not absolutely confident he will flip town. So, MODERATE benefit if he is town, MODERATE benefit if he is scum.

I think Penguin is our best bet.

[CarbonFiber]

That was some next level shit from Nacho though.

[CarbonFiber]

I know right! I was about to give up and let myself get lynched and then he posts this:

Now is the bet time to look a game in the face, kick its ass, and learn something from it.
Crumpling into a tiny little ball when your lynch would be the sweetest dreams a scum team ever has means you learn nothing.

I get all revved up and lead a lynch on him instead. But Lol, Nacho is the best person ever!

[CarbonFiber]

Ugh, I don't know guys. Do you think it is a better idea to check Fox or RG?

What do you think? What are your reads looking like?

I worry that Fox are scum getting away with blatant emotional manipulation. But if they are town, clearing them has fuck-all benefit to the town.

[CarbonFiber]

Magenta is obvscum but there are two remaining scum and I am still scratching my head about who it could be.

[CarbonFiber]

I don't think FH being cleared is of any help whatsoever though. RG then? Their stances make fuck all amount of sense.

[CarbonFiber]

So, I really think RG is the better choice here. Penguin is on V/LA.

RG is active and I like Brian's posts. He could be buddying etc but if he is town, we can work with them.

But if Penguin is scum, she's harder to lynch than RG. I'll take up that challenge though. I really do think RG is our best bet.

[CarbonFiber]

Have you submitted a choice yet?

(Hoping the game starts back tonight). The scum lynch got me interested in the game again.

[CarbonFiber]

So, yeah, I'd say definitely go for RG because I think being cleared would give Brian more of a peace of mind if town. And if scum, they're probably the one that I am wrong about and might erroneously defend.

[CarbonFiber]

Investigate them then and we can lynch them. I feel that they are town and it would be nice to know.

We know Magenta is scum. If we get another scum, that'll be 3/4 and we'll be very close to winning.

[CarbonFiber]

I feel pretty sure that Fox and Hound are town based on how Nacho was appealing to Cephrir to be his rock etc.

[CarbonFiber]

Can you paraphrase your role PM on how it says guilties? I am wondering if you can confirm me as that would be pretty useful or if my miller thing gets in the way.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay. So, I dunno I guess Penguin is not a bad idea but I am really paranoid of RG. Brian is agreeing with everything I say and it would be nice to know he is town.

[CarbonFiber]

Did you submit yet. Do it quickly, I can't wait for the game to start as we need to get Magenta lynched (in case they aren't vigged).

[CarbonFiber]

I wonder who's going to get killed tonight. Any guesses?

[CarbonFiber]

They killed PV because they didn't want the vig shaking up the play. PV was clearly faking his Titan-read so scum would leave him alive.

[CarbonFiber]

DEAD

1 Lord Business, who was Kreed Grafyte, Town Sealed Persona-Roleblocker, was lynched day one. (Possibility of re-entry into game)
2 Mac, who was Ricardo Soldato, Town Paranoid Bodyguard, was Killed Night 1 (also rolestops target)
3 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman + natirasha), who was Sword Dancer, Town Battleseeker was Killed Night 1 (A modified gladiator)
4 MastinSSK (Mastin2 + MafiaSSK), who was Ruca Milda, Town Bulletproof Re-incarnated god, was lynched day two (Voteless till LYLO)
5 Yggdra Union (GIF + Pieguyn), who was Tear Grants, Town Evolving JOAT, was killed night two
6 CupcakePanda, who was Chelsea Torn, Town Modified Delayer, was lynched Day Three (Has a oneshot magnet ability)

7 Nachomamma8, who was Arietta, Mafia Wild Child Beastmaster was lynched Day Four. (Alternating commuter-roleblocker)

8 PeregrineV, who was Yuri Lowell, Town Lone Wolf was killed Night Four. (1X Delayed-Flip Vig)

Town

:
1 CarbonFiber - Town. Just town
2 Titan (Tammy + Ser Arthur Dayne) - Tammy and her cute kitten can never, ever be scum
3 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon + Desperado) - Town as town can be
4 Belisarius - Tammy says town, I think town, and IF AP is town (which I don't think he is), he confirmed Beli

Leftovers

:
5 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies + notscience)
6 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir + DV)
7 AngryPidgeon
8 MagentaTheGreat (Orcinus + Mara)
9 Penguin_alien

[CarbonFiber]

How likely do you think it is that Penguin is scum?

[CarbonFiber]

I feel great about sweet-talking my way out of a mislynch and leading a lynch on scum. Part of the reason I'm upbeat this game.

I question AP's conf-townness because of Katsuki. Explain what happened there.

[CarbonFiber]

Do you want to lynch FoxHound then? They could be a scum rolecop and that would basically confirm you and AP as town.