Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[pieguyn]

why the fuck did i replace into this game. i am in way too many games

also this game has like 9000% too much ad hominem and it's pissing me off so much

[pieguyn]

<3 F-16

I've been semi following the game bc Cabd's been keeping me on a string the whole time. he gave me the chance to replace into AP's slot and I am so glad I didn't lmao

I agree on RBD. RBD's reaction to your miller claim was fucking terrible. he went to straight up discredit despite 2 millers being perfectly possible in a Cabd game. GIF has mastin scum which makes a lot of sense with RBD scum given their defense of each other (iirc)

Should have. But your other head knows this is Muffin's scumgame because he is damn good at figuring it out. So...

the way I read him is almost entirely by POE. if it reaches game end and he's not obvtown I always assume he's scum. that's how I've actually read him in every single game so far and I never actually had a scumread on him D1 lmao

[pieguyn]

what did mastin claim? regardless I'm fairly sure he's scum here and the way he's going about the lynch on you reminds me of how he was pushing the lynch on Kagami in AOT - he keeps making manipulative statements that basically serve to downplay how town you are

also I'm Yggdra. I haven't posted yet. I'm mostly here for support

[pieguyn]

this is a cabd game

I'm not ever writing any claim off as town in a cabd game

[pieguyn]

damn I prob won't be around for most of tomorrow. I should probably be around at deadline tho

mastin's response to my wall is even more big and useless htan his posts before it. he literally did nothing but comment entirely on irrelevant shit while dodging all my actual points. dat mist

[pieguyn]

fyi bork told me he'd vote mastin with me tomorrow and he better hold to it or I'll capture him irl and steal remi from him

the problem with this is all they need to do is NK one of us and then we're stuck in the ass just like yesterday

I couldn't keep up with the thread hard enough to fucking get my mastin lynch. everyone was posting too much

[pieguyn]

he said he wants a lurker lynch and he's doing that by putting up *a lurker* and ffery

[pieguyn]

if we fucking get NK'ed you have no idea how many tables I'm flipping over. that will be the 2nd tales game in a row where GIF and I get NK'ed N1

I'm not sure at al labout ffery. that's exactly the fucking reason I'm doubting her town. the only reason I went with her town is cause of your read ._.

[pieguyn]

I'm catching up now.

I'm pissed.

I might just vote park mastin for personal reasons, like, y'know, handwaving my entire fucking breakdown.

Or muffin for being an asshole.

One of those two dies tomorrow. Then the other on day 3. I don't fucking care at this point. They're going to burn.

I KNOW RIGHT. mastin's reaction was 100% a scum reaction. and ppl wouldn't listen

bork told me he'd vote mastin tomorrow, but if we get NK'ed then what > <

this fucking game

[pieguyn]

and if mastin is town then it's fucking dumb that she completely doesn't give a shit about your breakdown and I won't play a game with her again. if she's town her posts are the most anti-town and useless posts I've seen anyone make

[pieguyn]

I would pay cash money for a vig shot on {mastin, RBD, AP} right now

Cabd if ther'es a vig tell them I said that

[pieguyn]

welp LB is town

[pieguyn]

MASTIN'S LYNCH LIST

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) <- town
4 orcinus_theoriginal <- town
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) <- maybe town
11 Lord Business <- town
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) <- town
15 PeregrineV <- town
16 Clyton <- idk

hardly ggs

[pieguyn]

seriously this is the same shit mastin always pulls when he's scum

I could potentially see some bullshit like mastin / RBD / cupcake panda / breakfast. then again there's a good chance he has a scum in that list

[pieguyn]

agreed

now that I think about it tho I think I know who LB is and I don't wanna write him off that easily. but his attitude still seems really town and not scum motivated

[pieguyn]

Hello, FourTrouble here.

I'm thinking Mac is scum. Thoughts?

this doesn't work with rbd scum there were a few posts swhere rbd was blatantly manipulating mac

[pieguyn]

wtf F-16 how is it your hydra joined before you did

[pieguyn]

carbon fiber joined september 29
you joined october 24
how is that possible i dont even

[pieguyn]

Hello, FourTrouble here.

I'm thinking Mac is scum. Thoughts?

this doesn't work with rbd scum there were a few posts swhere rbd was blatantly manipulating mac

I didn't see this and am still considering the Mac-scum option. Care to point it out?

all that bullshit with the rhyming at the start of the game

there's a chance it's scum theater, but it's similar to what he pulled with Varsoon in GIF's touhou how they kept referencing space dandy

[pieguyn]

So, I am re-evaluating every player in the game to figure out the scum. Pie help me out.

Town (Strongest->Weakest)

:
1 Yggdra Union - Obvtown. Strongest townread. Literally impossible to be scum.
2 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) - Obvtown? Of course.
3 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) - If anyone thinks BRO's post came from scum, they are kidding
4 Cupcake Panda - Trust level town according to BRO. Katsuki never lurks as scum
5 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) - Also very, very fucking town
6 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) - Has to be town because of Bork
7 PeregrineV - Positionally town because scum pushed him, other reasons in my mega-case

** Up until here, I'll bank the entire game on these reads**

(One scum is probably here)

8 Mac - Rancid seems to be manipulating him but FT has concerns
9 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) - FT had concerns and tbh Brian Skies posts had no scumhunting but probably town
10 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) - Consistent defense of Rancid/Mastin/AP threw me off
11 orcinus_theoriginal - Not sure what he was doing with regard to putting LB and breakfast so that threw me for a loop
12 Lord Business - Probtown from the way he approached the governer
13 Clyton - Don't like his voting Rancid and coming back to unvote. Probscum

Scum (Strongest->Weakest)

:
14 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
15 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
16 AngryPidgeon

TOWN
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) <- bork seems town adn I've defenitely seen the town Nacho passion this game although I prefer to take my time reading Nacho
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane) <- v
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16) <- v
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado) <-all obvtown
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) <- notsci being around like at all means they're town. I haven't been paying attention to them much so correct me if I'm wrong

15 PeregrineV <- agree with you here
17 Mac <- on the assumption of RBD scum. it's a null without bias

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) <- I'm only unsure here bc it's Cephrir. generally, when our thoughts align this well, he's scum. I'll go with your read cause I can't read him for shit
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) <- I can't remember anything ffery did all game but I'm notusing that as a tell considering she was busy for a while at the start of the game iirc? besides that I haven't seen anything obvtown she's done firsthand. I need more data here
14 Cupcake Panda <- I can't get any read on cupcake panda. I'll go with your reads on this one

4 orcinus_theoriginal <- role seems town
6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) <- role might be town?
11 Lord Business <- recent behavior seems town
16 Clyton

[pieguyn]

if any of my reads are wrong it's probably breakfast or RG. if we're wrong about mastin and RBD, swap in fox and hound mostly bc I can't read him at all

[pieguyn]

I think I know who LB is and if he is who I think he is this is exactly the kind of thing I think he'd do as scum. but at the same time if he is that person I think he'd be more involved if he was scum here

I'm so confused

and happy scumday BRO ^_^ /late

[pieguyn]

and that

writing that vote off as "trolling" seems weird as fuck tbh

[pieguyn]

actually, now that I think about this more
ffery not working with me re: mastin and instead positioning against me is probably a scum claim. but I'm having a lot of hesitation making that call right now for some reason

[pieguyn]

I could possibly see that but the problem I'm having is that Nacho's been strongly on tilt in general recently. I feel like I can read him right given enough time and if anything I'm taking the way he was megaderailing that lynch as a towntell for the time being although I might reconsider it later

(like look at GIF touhou where he massively derailed a lynch off scum zmuffin and probably lost the game bc of it)

[pieguyn]

what's IAWTP

btw I think it's a possibility that RBD is just miseading mastin. I still think RBD and mastin are both scum but if anyone can fool ppl like that I'd expect it to be mastin and we shouldn't discount mastin scum just bc of RBD's read on them

[pieguyn]

here's why i wouldn't care: muffin normally gets more serious when people vote him
i get more serious when people vote me (see: xenogears, too many heads) and i think a lot of players are that way regardless of alignment so

didn't RBD already say they weren't intending to play the game seriously

[pieguyn]

scum would never kill RBD

if RBD is town, then them being alive and all the fucking noise centered around them is only useful to scum

I'm thinking if it's not a janitor vig it might be a scum role that automatically janitors its flip or some other weird fuckery like that

[pieguyn]

and wasn't mac like a universal townread

there were only like 1 or 2 ppl who had him as scum iirc

[pieguyn]

But hey actually having one role flip with information is a welcome fucking change from that one game that just ended *grumble fewfhkjewwdjhefkl*

trololololololololo

consider that my revenge for touhou IN

fwiw I think you played really well

[pieguyn]

that's a good point @F-16

inb4 vig shot scum and Mac fking died protecting scum

[pieguyn]

p-edit: thanks but ugh so much stuff I wanna say about how that went down
mostly having to do with a certain flowchart...

you were like the only one who was doing anything and your reads were right

so was Gaiden but he thought I was town even after I quickhammered so yeah

flowcharts really suck and more often than not make town lose. you really deserved to win that way more than we did. everyone should have really listened to you

although I had fun arguing with Desp bc I knew everything I was arguing was right and that no one would listen to me. even though I was being ultra lazy and making as few psots as possible

[pieguyn]

I can't wait to see mastin's reaction when I won't let her get away with any more of her bullshit mist spreading

ufufufufufu
ahahahahahaha
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHA

[pieguyn]

fwiw i don't actually think ap is scum. i think stalin is probably more likely than ap

[pieguyn]

the way he's playing this game seems so full of derp that I think it comes from a town place. and mastin is now pushing him really really hard although I haven't yet looked at if there's actually a chance ap will get lynched here or not (or if mastin is even voting ap) so I need to confirm/deny this

[pieguyn]

I'm behind and have only been semi following. but I did note AP posturing for a scumread on me down the road in order to give himself an excuse to question me later

mastin is still scum and if the votes stop coming I'll get in there and start rallying votes again

[pieguyn]

ffery should really be sheeping me about mastin

the fact that she's not almost wanna makes me scumread her in itself. (can't explain don't ask) and makes perfect sense with a Breakfast/mastin/AP team

also, ffery never has any actual scumreads. she always just does "not so town" for her scumeads. but it's screwed up that they have like 8 towntowntown reads. you're not supposed to have that many of those

[pieguyn]

"I need a nap. (Especially since others need a chance to catch up; having 500+ when the nearest doesn't even have 450 is a sign of how too much I am posting. )"

so he admits he's been flooding the thread with bullshit and his reaction to that is to.... continue flooding the thread with bullshit

sounds legit

[pieguyn]

wait what re: BRO

do you think F-16's massive wall is fake or was that a typo?

[pieguyn]

the 2nd one makes sense from tammy. she gave me advice on presenting my arguments after AOT and said I use too many buzzwords (e.g. discrediting)

[pieguyn]

yeah

[pieguyn]

btw I'm still butthurt at how hard you were buddying me that game. AND IT WORKED TOO

[pieguyn]

kagura aka Nacho owes me bc I gave him orci vote yesterday. and if he doesn't follow through on it I'll just insult Nacho's honor till he gives in and votes mastin with us

all I have to do is tell ffery to sheep me re: mastin and she should sheep me. yes I'm serious

just with that it's 7

[pieguyn]

I'm hoping I can get a vote from one of
{fox and hound, RG}
fox and hound voted mastin earlier and I know both heads of RG. I'd hope they'd be willing to do this favor for me

[pieguyn]

btw, that post where I called the scumteam was intended as a joke cause I thought it'd be hilarious if we somehow managed to wagon all 3 scum. I only ever had BRO and Pasch which was 2/3 and then Kthx was a derp and cleared BRO and then I started scumreading Kaze really hard to the point where it fucked up my actual correct scumreads and... yeah

you should have seen my rxn when I found out who the actual scumteam was. I was dying of laughter

[pieguyn]

I'm like ~almost~ positive mastin is scum. if only it were that easy, this entire game would be a breeze

like even if we toss out all the reasoning for her scum, I have 8 townreads elsewhere. they have a 1/2 chance of being scum just by pure POE at this point. throw all the extra crap in there and boom

why is mastin's role giving you reservations about her scum? like I really don't get it. there is no reason to assume any role is anything in a Cabd game. am I missing something?

btw, I'm almost positive Nacho is town but I want more to absolutely verify it. mostly because there's always the possibility he's manipulating his meta to get a townread from me - I never underestimate good scum players, even though I've never had scum explicitly target me before

[pieguyn]

TOWN
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)

MAYBE TOWN
1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
15 PeregrineV

LEAVING
2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
4 orcinus_theoriginal
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
14 Cupcake Panda
16 Clyton

if mastin isn't scum then figure out a 3 person scumteam from my leftover reads

btw, if mastin actually is town, I like fox and hound for scum. mostly because cephrir WK'ing me and trying to lynch mastin is exactly the crap he pulled in xenosaga. but I'm reading DV's posts and they just feel really natural and transparent and good feeling. I don't see DV as scum here after gundam SEED

[pieguyn]

also this read is a bit bullshit but I don't think this would have happned if orci was scum. bc his buddies would have stopped him from doing it in the scum QT

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
14 Cupcake Panda
16 Clyton

this feels too easy

[pieguyn]

yeah Aegina is TNE but he's not playing in this game

the only reason I'm even in this hydra is because I wanted in o541 and there were no spots left and I got GIF to let me join with him. then we rolled scum and I didn't even do anything ._.

i don't think he'd bring mara in to piss tammy off specifically as either alignment

I don't think he would either but the point was if he was considering doing this for any reason at all and his buddies knew about it they probably would have stopped him

also, serious question. you wouldn't specifically tailor your interactions w/me to get a townread from me specifically, would you?

[pieguyn]

*this as in bringing mara with him at all, not for any specific purpose

[pieguyn]

\o\

[pieguyn]

I don't wanna write cupcake off bc "he never lurks as scum". it's really easy to fake. even if he hasn't faked it yet, this might be the game where he realizes what he's doing and fixes it - it's not like most trust level tells where it's hard to change

I'm taking the mastin vote as null bc it could easily be distancing

idk if cephrir would bus mastin here given I know he said somewhere he's adverse to bussing unless there's no reason not to. but I could maybe see it

[pieguyn]

clyton is just shadowing AP I think

[pieguyn]

he has you, me and mastin in his scumreads or near there. same as AP

[pieguyn]

probably it points to clyton/AP team. he doesn't know what the hell to do so he just follows his partner AP

if mastin flips town then it'll be a good way for me to figure out if the rest of my reads are right or not. I'm p good at telling when scum is making a sketchy push on me

[pieguyn]

if nacho is scum in this game I'm downright terrified

like sure he did a bunch of ridiculous crap re: Sakura in 169 but this is on a whole new level

[pieguyn]

"Hi PA ^^. I'm glad you replaced into probable town."
lmao

[pieguyn]

I'm not sure. I'll look into it later

[pieguyn]

LOL WHAT DO I DO NOW

[pieguyn]

I wanted to drop a reads list off in thread but it was locked when I woke up. fuck my ass

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
^all obvtown. as in it would be worldview altering if any of them ended up flipping scum

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8) <- bork seemed town and posting from Nacho seems genuine and passionate
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli) <- posting where she snapped at mastin read town as fuck. I'm fine writing them off based on just that

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV) <- every time I try to see them as scum I look and DV and it calms my mind.
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience) <- mostly gut

4 orcinus_theoriginal
14 Cupcake Panda
15 PeregrineV
16 Clyton

9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling) <- I don't like anything he did at all recently + I feel like sheeping mastin's read

I need to figure out wtf is going on here

[pieguyn]

the fuck where'd you get nacho from

did I miss something

[pieguyn]

Nacho could be scum. but like

the way he's pushing lynches here seems genuine. if scum Nacho was pushing mislynches he'd go after low hanging fruit instead of completely blowing the thread out of the water like he did here I think

this is definitely not what I think of when I think of scum Nacho. I know he's been somewhat on tilt recently (<3) so I don't wanna be like "herp derp he led a lynch on town must be scum"

[pieguyn]

penguin is prob scum

fox and hound makes a lot of sense as 3rd scum but DV

[pieguyn]

wait orc's governor was D1 only?

what the fuck. I need to read D2 end better cause I totally skimmed through it

[pieguyn]

ok I can't find which posts you're talking about link plz

I'm like ultra tired and only searched the last 5 pages tho

[pieguyn]

btw I know how people get when they get on tilt or are having an off game because the same happened to me in xenosaga. you basically take it out in the form "i'm town, you KNOW xx and yy about my play, you all must be fucking scum for not seeing that" and then from an outside POV it comes across really off and is often incorrect. so I don't wanna necessarily sheep mastin's read on Nacho here

[pieguyn]

what the actual fuck

[pieguyn]

where were the posts where Nacho supposedly slipped about RBD's janitor

[pieguyn]

"I agree you didn't kill him. I can see your team janitoring the flip if someone shot him since Rancid-scum's a massive inconvenience to you, and having the confidence that you can janitor the first one of you two's flip means that you're not afraid to buddy to shit like you did D1. But you're correct, you didn't kill him."

is it this or am I missing smth? I'm ultra tired atm and I don't get how this is a slip. isn't "you two" referring to rbd and mastin

[pieguyn]

lmaoooooooo

the problem I'm having is if there's a vig and he shoots wrong tonight tomorrow ends up being MYLO on D3. but like at the same time we're in a really good spot to find and or lynch scum tomorrow since mastin is fking gone -> way less noise and adhoms

I'm going on record and saying this mastin lynch benefits town a lot anyway. it was literally impossible to get anything done with her spamming every other post

[pieguyn]

this game

[pieguyn]

I'm trying to figure out if ffery could be scum because it would make so much sense if she was. atm I don't thnk she is though

[pieguyn]

you think scum tammy goes so far as to fake a replace out?

there were also some things that seemed like righteous indignation but I forgot exactly where they were. overall there's a lot of the genuine town Tammy emotion out there and it doesn't feel faked on a gut level

[pieguyn]

btw, I don't wanna put anyone down as scum bc "they're not working with me like they usually do". this game has had a really fucking taxing way of making town get pissed off at each other when they otherwise wouldn't be. I think Tammy's frustration about our neighborhood and shit seems genuine and agree with your point that it makes a lot of sense from a town model after wingate

tl;dr: my read is the same as yours minus paranoia

[pieguyn]

if scum is setting us up in any way I'd prefer to let them do it and get the fuck out of them once htey expose themselves doing it. I'm not worried about that right now

also you have to keep in mind we were pushing a theory that was ultimately wrong. I think a lot of her thoughts are coming from a town place regardless of whether I agree or not

Okay. I'll trust you for now.

I feel like I could make an actual case against her and that's why it bugs me.

holy shit really? I'd be interested in seeing it

[pieguyn]

you know her way better than I do so if you feel like you can make a case I'd wanna see it in case I'm missing smth. idk if it'd change my read but I'd like having it up for the sake of completeness. I agree it's probably better to keep our cofus on AP tho

[pieguyn]

if AP is somehow town then this will literally be the town I've seen that has been the least effective at working together and or collaborating and I really wanna hope that's not the case

tbh I think this happens all the time when you get too many ppl in a game. the same shit happened in too many heads

[pieguyn]

oh god I'm ultra tired I'll figure this out later

I finally looked at those posts you linked and ........... I probably could see Tammy making that replace out post here as scum 0.0

I'll need to double check her but I remember a lot of genuine sounding and town motivated things. either way I agree AP is the best focus for tomorrow

[pieguyn]

GIF has orci as scum via POE. I'm inclined to agree

also this doesn't mean anything but it's kind of funny. in every single game marangal is always paranoid as fuck about me for absolutely no reason. but she doesn't seem paranoid of me at all here. hmmmm

[pieguyn]

oh also GIF said Tammy's D1 was town as hell and nothing's gonna change his mind on that